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The deal so actually this the song rated as us has never diminished in the back to a song which was never ever diminished in importance as a part of the of the pop industry so you make a lot of money out of it $1.00 would imagine that simply writing thriller would turn you into a multimillionaire but but Kate Well it depends if you're a hit song because obviously if you're if you're the song or a 2 you have a fairly healthy slice of the publishing royalties and goes to the song rate of the song so if so in other words if it's getting a lot of airplay then you're going to you're going to earn a lot of money saw. You know so you say yes if you're a song but there's you know and some some like successful songwriters are only known for a handful of really really big hits but that was enough for them to make their money on them is probably many many as it is with people who write their own material many many songs that don't see the lay of the but you know but but they're known for the few big hits in our audit more tempting being one of those people feeling Shepherd thank you very much and sadly we're going to have to leave it there but as I always say not very sadly because you know being left of the good company of sharing a year recently a song I make some money yeah I also know me nor do I next week that would be nice Absolutely well if it doesn't work I'll see you next week. And while some of the names under scrutiny this week Donald Trump of course tourism a John Klees and not forgetting Jack and Victor we'll be discussing all of them shortly. Thank you to 95 in each one of the medium wave and on digital radio b.b.c. Radio Scotland now the news with Bruce McCain is a good morning and Season Haiti are warning that survivors of Hurricane Matthew could no risk color because of contaminated water officials say 900 people have been killed but the number is expected to rise tens of thousands of lost their homes leaving them in the open without a clean water supply in Bray's from Ox Fam. Water is very very dangerous in these conditions or need to get plain safe drinking water to people sell that they can at least last while the rest of the aid effort carries on police looking for a fight for him and missing for a fortnight see they don't believe his disappearance is related to his r.d.f. Job 23 year old Cody McKee coups based in Suffolk hasn't been seen since in one Totenberg recent Edmonds his mother necklace or Kurt has launched a new public appeal for information she says he'd recently got a puppy and wouldn't have left it we know that the county meant to get him this wasn't planned this isn't a young boy that's going a wall there is no preparation his life is really really good just name he wanted to get home he desperately wanted to get him to stay out of the London School of Economics is claiming summer exacted them except been barred from advising the Foreign Office on bricks it because they're not British nationals insiders at the Elysee say the move has provoked shock and anger as Richard Galpin reports sources say a senior Foreign Office official recently told a member of the l.s.e. Staff that only those academics with u.k. Passports would be allowed to continue with consultancy work focusing on Bracks it a group of 8 or 9 academics including some from the e.u. Countries such as Denmark has until now been advising the Foreign Office on the issue the apparent ban has sparked outrage but the Foreign Office is suggesting it's a misunderstanding which has been blown out of all proportion the cheer of the Parliamentary Labor Party John Cryer says he wasn't told about Jeremy Corbin's latest reshuffle the p.l.p. Had been holding talks about Shadow Cabinet elections Mr Corben says he's willing to continue those discussions despite his new appointments Donald Trump has apologized for obscene comments he made about women in 2005 they were part of a conversation with. It was recorded while he was waving a mike and waiting to Peter on a t.v. Show Hillary Clinton has described the comments as horrific John Nichols is a journalist at The Nation magazine in politics the single most damaging thing is absolute confirmation of that which people suspect about you right you know when people have said you know that guy's a bad guy that guy he behaves in appropriately they may be told stories 2nd hand or 3rd hand and suddenly you've got the tape. And contestants are making final preparations ahead of the world portage making championships in the Highlands to be a Californian in a space engineer and the Swedish model are amongst those hoping to lift the coveted Golden spot tall car bridge village hall to the sport he is Kenny Crawford thanks Chris Scottish Boxer Recchi Barnes reward for making a successful 1st offense of his w.b.c. World Superlight weight belt is likely to be a lucrative fight against Adrian Brawner or Terrence Crawford depending on the offers made to promoter Eddie Heron. On points last night at the Hydro agency. 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Radio Scotland trouble Scotland. Whether to close the morning for some with the best of Italy brightness across the north bright and sunny spells more widespread as we head through lunchtime particularly away from the coasts most parts should stay dry today but some drizzly showers for off eastern coastal areas at times highs of 16 Celsius Winds light to moderate that's b.b.c. Radio Scott The News Stream we'll have more up 11 Thanks Bruce We'll see you then good morning and welcome to Saturday show you're listening to me shooting 9 Johnny and this week we're talking about the fallout from the Tory party conference join CLI's up setting the Scots testing for don't syndrome the return of still game and a whole lot more let's have a listen to some of those moments. It feels like your dreams have been sacrificed in the service of others what a surprise by. The not really should people look at the little molecules or to some people well some people wouldn't I used to care about calibration I never have thought that it is an episode I don't know if I don't that's going to have. This fine table isn't happening because the figures say the opposite she lied about her personal life that she chose to present as a journalist I don't like Larissa and I decided to expose that I wondered whether if I'd handled the encounter in a different way they might have felt able to say more in a train heads. That can read the cause or half of it's in your eyes you should do a moustache get yourself a job might not in the Orient Express. All of that to come Plus I was speaking to the mother whose daughter's learning difficulties are caused by a condition so unique it's named after her after spending 10 years searching for a diagnosis Sophie Dove is on a mission to help others find the truth joining me this morning we've got film critic and Scottish Daily Mail call mischief on Senate journalist Peter Gagan and marchin Raymond of cloud line p.r. Good morning to you all right your name and she won your moment of the week you have the option of votes not just watching movies you know you don't often. A chance this week I think to travel back in time aside from the Tory party conference of course I got to go and see the woman at the Lycee in this week written by as we all know of course it's very on top of all the background to 2500 years ago or they were about it but what's interesting about David Greig's version is that it's an attempt to stage it as it would have been performed. At the time not with the costumes obviously because it's Edinburgh and it's. But with libations of wine and milk with coral these sort of synchronized movements and of course the Greek chorus what's interesting about the Greek chorus is that it's before not by professional actors but by local amateurs who trained in their own time Wednesdays and weekends for a month and they're really really very good indeed another element that they've brought in is is is this recall that all of this which is probably a traditional double reed instrument also used in the b.b.c. I have say that was the one who's looking forward least because the other double He didn't seem to think of that that is that old is the bagpipes but actually all this is pretty good it works really well in the play and I look forward very much you know to the album of music now that's what I call all of this and perhaps an elevator music later on but it was it was a really good thought provoking performance not least because although it's something so ancient most of its themes were were very modern. Concerns like democracy public votes asylum seekers rape culture and and the precipitation war and also I would say watch out for the guy who plays the king who has to decide whether to take in 50 women seeking refuge or abandon them is not a guy called Oscar batter making really really I think he's just out of drama school Guildhall and he's fantastic here to bring in for great things and Martin your moment of the week Yeah well I did a last of last I have a serious moment of the week and if I may be the signs even a bit worldly even more than serious I really selling it is here well I just want to parry and I've been a board member of young Scott for about 200 years since 3 times and bright. To that at the tail end of this week of last week rather So it's just within this week I attended what they call a consultation with some young people when there are people there from 4 secondary skills in Glasgow and d. And there's these young people there to look at climate change an environment so you see where I'm going with this war the theme here there was a lot of a lot of Mary chatbot polar bears and the like of course but I think the thing that struck me and made the highlight of my week was the enthusiasm of these young people to go back to their communities and deal in Glasgow with ideas changing the media environment including the school groans which many of them say reported as being you know if not bleak just a bit a bit of an interesting and it kind of struck me a lot of her environment Siri immediate environs and scandalous cities and times they still are just a bit bleak at that dri and these young people thought were having none of that and so they were off to dig up car parks and I did suggest that the staff might have a view unless you know. They were transforming their car park into a garden where you could keep some pigs and goats and so on but they were full of very enthusiastic positive intentions and secondly. You know it's nice to have 10 year olds who would be bubbling full of enthusiasm for this kind of thing in your in your head and in your imagination you know these things were these were these were you know a good cross-section of teenagers at secondary school and I dead I did very much to my hat off to their determination to just do something about these media environment so that warm the cockles of my cynical old p.r. Horror quite right Peter Gay get you thinking to get a dog yes yes I have a. Thing with getting agree how and some with the kind of wire on the end Well I think Greyhound seems like a kind of mirrors of my own tendencies I like to sleep a lot of. People to. 20 hours a day. There's something about them I think I 1st kind of like that kind of dog he's drinking a bar called K.'s November and his whip used to always come in and look a bit like James Joyce some but it's not exactly as always for arrangement remind me over of of of the great Irish writer someone talk to me about these dogs and I quite like them they're quite lazy languid and quite relaxed which kind of I think I can speaks a bit a bit to my own personality so what makes this year we're doing well basically Last Sunday we went there's a thing called the Greyhound awareness leak which is a kind of a that's the name suggests is an attempt to try and kind of bring Greyhound to them some of whom have been out ratings greyhounds you think of them as these like guys dogs but they have a quite a difficult life you know the racing of greyhounds is quite a brutal sport it's quite a brutal business really for people who engage in it so a lot of these dogs you know they're raising really difficult environments are not really properly socialized sometimes are actually encouraged to talk live bait which makes them very uncomfortable and anxious makes them very difficult around other dogs so they have a very it's very difficult for them so this Greyhound awareness League is all these people a very interesting group of people from all around Scotland who basically give their time and money and everything to kind of foster these greyhounds so they can take them greyhounds who have been racing or been abandoned and make them kind of sociable enough that i family or someone can take them and so on the 1st Sunday of every month in motor one struck like Country Park is basically dozens of greyhounds wearing these little boobs of different colors to say things like I'm nervous you know a little I'm looking for a home with all very sweet and actually and you get to meet them you can walk around the park with them and you can kind of going out with them and all the like an adoption is a kind of these actually yes because if you a woman also concerns your house to make sure that like you fit the criteria like give you a really rigorous questions like a 45 was a good job interview you know what would you do of the greyhound that they saw what would you do with the Greyhound try to shoot you know would you kick the Greyhound or would you tell him not to do it there were and it was. Weren't the trickiest questions you could only guess which way you should own so now you're saying the one I don't know mushy going down as afternoon to look at one again called j. And room called Dempsey possibly yes I'm quite smitten with one or more so if it doesn't work out do you get to take them back or that you're not encouraged with this is when the nice things about it is an attempt to Troy and you know make sure that the idea is that you don't just give people dogs that you make sure that the dog trainer lost their homes for exactly ends of the doesn't work out they do the ideas that you you would foster and someone else might take it on the works long before it so it is all very noble I got there there was one that was earmarked for us that I could love this dog 10 months old lovely dog called boy and it got there and I realized oh no that dog is totally crazy apparently they often mix collie dogs and greyhounds because Collies are smart and greyhounds of Fast and the idea is you might get a smart fast dog poor boy your cautious little dog in every. Head I know very sorry for those that don't like this look at this look in his eyes it just isn't the thing going on here. Awful it right well I hope it works late for you and for the Greyhound but then for me move on to discussing after a slight and Politics Home let's just talk about the latest developments in the Us presidential campaign and this recording that say marriage to Trump Donald Trump boasting about groping women senior Republicans are condemning him some withdrawing that endorsement do you think this could be the defining moment for trump what is it said in the news item there in a little piece and it does confirm what you always knew you always thought and there is an element of that and I don't think that necessarily changes anything through I don't I didn't know it well I didn't read anything very much about I. Don't Trump was. Folding bike on a huge reservoir of support among women already I mean I know there are women for Trump from those there's a there's a there is there is that. Phenomenon. I don't think this will change the views of all that many people I think the thing with all Trump is that you go for him because of what he represents rather than anything that he say's and that is an interesting political phenomena in its own right yeah it should when he has apologized usually apologized you know that was very brief apology there which which is in character with him I wonder if this is the start of a drip of stories that's going to become a trickle and perhaps a flood I mean the time is right there's no point to release to go and well exactly not just a month ago you know sometimes voters memories are short so best to release the the best stories you have about Trump as as close to the mark as possible interesting to that the person he was making all these remarks to was a sign of another Republican family believe Bush who is one of the Bush family the one haired sort of giggling in the area there I don't think anybody comes out terribly well out of this one you know do you think it will make any difference to his campaign plotted what is interesting to New York Times put loads of money a few months ago if you remember and into Trump and women and intrigue all these people and to be honest actually walking out of it wasn't that strong you were expecting this to be an exposé that showed Trump to be this very sexualized very kind of you know creepy in a way Guy This is actually dogs him to a lot more of the us than they ever got it so it's interesting it's coming out now someone it's in someone's interest to point it out no I do think that you know I think that's part of it he is wobbling it's been a bad couple of weeks for I don't want to be the thing that will break the camel's back but he really really does need to do well this weekend because he's he's if he loses if you look in the early hours of Monday you know because if you look at us you know if you look at the electoral geography of us if you look at actually drugs where he has to win Pennsylvania Ohio and Florida he's well behind you this is well behind in Pennsylvania he's struggling in. Florida is doing well in Ohio but he those swing states where he really needs momentum behind him enough doesn't only get someone over the line The problem is even if it doesn't damage him it doesn't hurt him get out his message he's firefighting Rawdon saying what he do so that that makes it more difficult I don't think anyone's going to look at this and go I'm going to vote for Trump because of this and that's the problem he's at a point now where he has to get people he can still win he really definite can still win and what about he needs to get people behind him and this isn't going to get anybody behind him what about this debate on Sunday night Monday morning this this one's different from the last one because the public get to question him Could that work for him again it's a town hall style debate which Terry Clinton has done hundreds of often a lot softer than this often was like you know if you go and look in the audience asking you know you know when when when the president got as much money as the man President yet it won't be like that but Trump doesn't know much it hasn't really got much experience of this and generally if you don't have much experience or something it's not a great it doesn't it's not normally a harboring of a wonderful great success I think it could be a difficult one he's a very bad interactive performer and he doesn't know how to work audiences you know the leader insulting him when he insults them by or those who can and hollering he's not very good at that on his feet interaction Well we'll find out on Monday morning how that plays we'll move on to matters closer to home in a moment. Drama on b.b.c. One Scotland to somebody who can destroy a person to find that sometimes that can be worth the missing pretense to Alice Webster who was abducted in 2003 yesterday she came that see right into the middle of the tent saboteur. Still. No one can hide the truth that ever. There missing Wednesday night at 9 on b.b.c. One Scotland. Now the Tory party conference the 1st of course with to resign me in charge took place this week it began with the announcement that she would trigger Article 50 starting the formal bricks of process by March next year but what will BRICs it mean while there were some clear signals in her speech the referendum was not just a vote to withdraw from the e.u. It was about something broader something that the European Union has come to represent and if you're one of those people who lost their job who stayed in work but on reduced hours took a pay Carter's household bills rocketed or and I know a lot of people don't like to admit this someone who finds themselves out of work or on lower wages because of low skilled immigration life simply doesn't seem fair . It feels like your dreams have been sacrificed in the service of others. Well and perhaps the most striking moment at the conference it was the home secretary and Rudd he used her speech to warn that foreign workers should not be able to take jobs that British people should do and said that businesses could be forced to publish details of how many they employ and Peter it's fair to see you were quite annoyed about this I was writing about was that I was more annoyed that I thought I was going to be I don't normally go I am not one of those people who gets normally quite emotional hyperbolic about stuff like this I don't think I am but I woke up on Wednesday morning and heard a number of the speech about the foreign listing numbers of foreign workers and I look at things morning I turn on the day programs I often do not playing in the kitchen I just want you know I don't like I don't I'm not sure I want to listen I long to live in a country where Ok I'm not technically foreign due to 949 are in the act but I don't like living I don't think I want to live in a country where this is an issue where where I'm from is part it is part of a discussion where I should be listed I should be a number on someone's board someone might give me a job so I might give me a job or the very fact that that's been discussed on a kind of into a parking lot of competition and I was like you know I think I want to leave I was been serious I mean her I meant the country. To live I don't think so I didn't I felt like after almost a decade living in the u.k. I've never felt in any way on comfortable I didn't feel this was targeting at me but I thought if I feel like this what about someone who's black someone who's from a far more precarious position somebody doesn't have an opportunity to go on the radio on the So on the next Saturday morning complain about it I just thought this whole language this whole rhetoric or whatever reason has been done for whatever political motives you can analyze the politics of us is just nasty and there's no place in a decent society and the u.k. Is a decent society and this is a March and you are going to I was going to say as someone who is collating the papers around my grandfather's birth so that I can apply for an Irish passport to retain my utopian citizenship I was a bit I was a. As well I thought oh my God I'm not going to have their own passports meant. Yeah I mean this is all about to do to me to reach out to the people who voted for bricks it because they felt she put it forgotten Yes. Now it's been it's been an interesting one because the speech that she gave the conference was so much one of 2 hobs you could have said that parts of it many did say that parts of it could have been a play or speech with a few adjustments she rejected individuals and self interest she held up the Brownlee brothers as an example of helping collectively. She made it clear that she disapproved of big business in the end instances of corporate directors taking big dividends for tax dodge you know you don't stand up to terrorism all these sort of very sort of old fashioned trash talk when I talk about travel back in time this is you know very old sort of Tory tradition of you know not over wedded to ideologies just a light hand of the teller making noise about country and free enterprise and things like that and then we heard you know this well this immigration business. You know something which Matthew Parris was saying in The Times today perhaps Tories there at the Tories who are more liberal will suck up and see as for what it is which is a rather cynical way to get as much money as many areas of the spectrum voting tory as possible you know the centrists will enjoy the Brownlee analogies the nut jobs at the far end they'll go in for. Have been delighted by what she said about immigration despite the fact that what she says about immigration is wrong and she peels back the lid on bases and xenophobia and she allows people to feel that attacks and foreigners are in some way can day and and you know she says things. Like if you believe you're a citizen of the world you're a citizen of nowhere I think this is dangerous ground yes but I you know I agree and it's such blatant populism because you Gov Of course when I asked people what they thought about this. Nearly 60 percent of the British population are with her on these lists and if you don't know I think she's got a difficult balance to try to try and bring but. Not I think she was noting that tipped over the edge and I when I read as part of my diligent research I read a lot of commentators I could not find one single commentator who thought that this was a good idea and what came through in this is the is the cranks within this whole breaks that territory so people like like Fraser Nelson who at the Spectator they were one of the most. Positive and and and solid supporters of breaks in terms of in terms of British newspapers and magazines he said he said this is not the type of breaks that we were looking for we were looking for a thing that turned its back on Little England but it was about looking out to the wire all that was about embracing not just citizens of the European Union but people from all around the world there's also pounding at the demeanors and the brick bricks it has seemed to be sort of changing places yes only his or that thing that they were that they were sort of turning over in this and I suppose his position as one of the you know the kind of liberal conservative switch which was born and Cameron and others represented that kind of liberalism with a small a on in the Conservative Party who are very uncomfortable with us if you like Kris Dielman was writing today and the meal and he says she is behaving as if she had just won a landslide election but suddenly she was a sting these terrible people who have been there before and now look at the shiny new program which I admit is like something from $157.00 with the grammar schools and all the rest of it but it's been presented as if I just want to huge election and the point is of course that's not the keys. But she's taking the vote in the referendum as a mandate and that is a very interesting position because it has never been in opposition for you and Britain anyway but that seems to me what's going on here what are we learning about her style of leadership maybe comparisons to Tony Blair should also be called Submarine me I think that David Cameron comes to color that because she she's there they under the surface and doesn't take control of the cabinet she says she won't give a running commentary on bricks at negotiations I think she's shown yourself so far I'm not to say this isn't just because my reaction is that I think she's she's had a very very bad start to readership if you look at it she's picked the fight over grammar schools which isn't even a Tory manifesto it's causing are already internal problems and the Bracks We also know what's also been lost in all this nasty party rhetoric the stuff in the going back was she chucked away the only carriage that the United Kingdom has in the back to negotiation was when will we trigger Article 50 because European Union looked at our looked at our question on oh this is a problem for us the only problem we have with the u.k. Is when really actually do this the only real kind of in terms of in terms of coordination because that is an uncertainty and of the European Union had no say over they couldn't interiorizing that could never of tried to figure out of that could've kept going they could have played the European Union instead trying to make just chucked it away from no political gain she just stood up and said we're going to do it in March which point all leverage and there wasn't much leverage on ticking them Howard has actually just dissipated into the ground and I don't look at it going from a strategic politics it's really weak I understand and I might not agree wish the politics of this popular but I don't think she has to go order I agree I don't think I don't think she has a mandate for I don't she has the necessity to do it and the idea it's true if you look at the figures of people back this but it's all apparently part party politics and political leaders also make pub. Opinion not just react to it this wave of kind of populism in the u.k. And across Europe is also a reaction to more than a decade of a political language Gordon Brown was talking to British jobs for British workers 10 years ago this is not a new thing but we've gone to much further and it's interesting listening to Theresa May she said you know some of you people who find in law skilled work because immigration that's not factually proved there's a lot of studies that say that's not even true I was in a bar in Glasgow today talking to Vox popping people who talked and this is a common thing is that in the guy who's sitting in a bar or 2 o'clock on Thursday afternoon you ask him you know what you think of immigration as a terrible economy here installer jobs and you ask him what he does intelligent unemployed you ask him what job did you do that the immigrants told your job and there's a him and a hard quote about something you read in a newspaper and suddenly saw on television Yeah I didn't. Know I mean I think I think this is the fundamental think there is no question of what politics is a bone is about what you feel is about what you know and of course the thing is actually it's about where you feel and that's where you can't just challenge that factually you know this is a whole sort of question are we in this post factual world to push truth world of trying to see anything you like and if you challenge you just say well no I'm right you're wrong or whatever nobody looks at the facts anymore but if i can we politics has never been about that is about how you feel and that is the bit where I feel that it is very important in this kind of open book that we have no with bricks or that use 8 that that that question of what kind of country you are what kind of values you have and that's about feeling that's nothing to do with facts and that to me is the bit where they have moved a long way from where the vote of the rhetoric with people like. You know at the more liberal end of the of the breaks tears spoke about 8 it's not we're not we're not against other people we're not against foreigners we kind of chant that is opportunity to see that we are a global nation that is our strength that's always been our strength for the last couple 100 years and we build up. On that and she's turned away from that and that is about feeling that somebody is setting a tone and a bias by describing a value that people can buy into you know that mean she's being accused of them and making some of it you could policies let's let's talk a 1st 2nd debate. And as we laughed merrily and well I mean you know we could very easily not have been laughing because this alleged punch up for this wasn't a punch up apparently could have ended very badly but what what do you make of all this it's funny they're still on 16 percent in the polls so there's a you know team $2.00 and $3.00 times more popular liberal Democrats it is fastened the way they mustn't nations of the party and how the party works I think if we look at from the outside it feels like there's a sub Catania story that we're not hearing this doesn't fit to something about all of this that doesn't fit right you know Steven wall of who was the been the heir apparent if you care for a couple of years he didn't get on the ballot for the last leadership election we're talking about 5 minutes ago because he hadn't filled in his forms and now just as it seems to reemerge as the new heir apparent after Diane James leaves after 18 days he does a photo circulates of him like in a face down in a Strasburg in a kind of stereotypical the I'm too Ukip establishment to classy stars board European parliament building he's saying he was he was assaulted my caucus which is no most of determinism is also on the phone spokes person which I just you could very well. But like humbugs of dollars hole he said that if there were and any charges then he would face Carnew Yeah Ok let me just become i.o.c. Come out swinging. But you do look at this is these are really big push party but I think the bigger question behind this is where does where does what happens is coalition as you can put up the 4000000 voters are actually crucially what happens to our inbox are in banks is a multimillionaire who made a lot of money into Bolton very sort of places who bankrolled the unofficial leave campaign who's bankrolled Ukip. Who said he won't buy. Any more or less knowledge of Roger's leader I think it will be him since we were at a party goals no from here yeah I mean interesting that even Wolf this started because Stephen said that he was thinking of joining the conservatives because you know he was quite impressed with what reason he was saying yes it was a spokesman of Ukip on the radio this morning saying. You know what these some of these policies that recently suggesting Cineplex stream you know and I thought this is where we've come to better since obviously that's the pitch is for all these voters because I think you could are in trouble now and they may be holding their position in terms of the kind of core vote but I think they will not grow as a party over the next few years I think that's very unlikely. Unless there's a huge reversal of the of the rhetoric that's currently being positioned around our own around breaks that although she will though on Thursday after Diane James had resigned when it was already looking fairly chaotic they won a by election in Hartlepool and they did extremely well and they left Labor far behind so there is a percentage of that you could but that is Teflon you know what ever you do you cannot get close just say what a fond farewell the European parliament must be. And I love the fact that. Gil said Stephen sick of questions and is ready for a full English breakfast because even breakfast in the head injury could be turned into some sort of grievance against the Europeans it's an extraordinary thing I did enjoy. The parade of various television studios in order to justify what he. Noted that he very rarely expressed any there was no notice own for Stephen Wolf is possible party there and whether there was any injury notice a description of the. A fight or lack thereof No and we are all laughing here but the man is still in hospital he was away you know let's not forget I know Marina in The Guardian says they're like drunks with a stag do as this is like the European trip you know and they were there's there's there's there's the bodies on the floor at the end of the night I just feel every day for you Kip is like the day today the older Monday in a series I mean they had to come on Channel 4 News being interviewed forensically by Krishnan Guru-Murthy about what exactly had happened and I love the one particular exchange where Christians said Did you push him Yes So you pushed him no how do you where do you go from there yeah but I don't think it must be just throwing those scripts up there think you were there's no chance of us having any seriousness and no room for satire we're going to remain a mistake here I think is absolutely crucial and all the debate both about Ukip and also about the Conservative Party is the perceived lack of an opposition and that to me explains much of what was on both of you keep you cap and what their future role might be and who whose voters there might be pitching for but also the reason may a number Rudd speech seem to me so much of it is pitched what the expect to be voters departing from the labor parsing will be will return to. Talking about what you've been talking about 8 should be on b.b.c. To Scotland. But my guess this morning Sean Senate Peter Gagan and Martin Raymond Nye the comic actor John Cleese find himself in hot water this week after a Twitter rant aimed at near newborn Fraser Nelson the editor of The Spectator magazine you know what why do we let half educated tenement Scots run our English press because their craving for social status makes them beauty and retainers Well here's a color's to keep Adams programme had to say about him I am very much a hostage to tournaments got I'm not surprised or shocked I find. What he said is pretty much British establishment I think it was a surprise by John Cleese enough not really should be completely offended. But to some people though some people would mean a lot more I had. Understood his comments absolutely but then there are stupid people of all nationalities races of all nationalities so you know if you're going to come up against the most people I used to can a telephone television anything we had whenever I thought of that idea oh yeah well that was some reaction on keys program and do you think we've been overreacting every bit to this sorting to see slee or is Yes Well here here we have a cranky 76 year old on Twitter really who's fed up with phrase and Nelson because he wrote something about press freedom freedom of the press and he's very much a member of hacked off using reaching for a weapon and using a blunderbuss instead of every year I'm slightly impressed he knows about tournaments. But you know he's a Brit support he was a big fan of the coalition government so I mean so far I don't please in his later life has not been making the greatest of choices and choices of words I think you know perhaps should be in the last thing to fall but. Is it racist classist certainly think you know that but you know come on Scots on an oppressed people he didn't use the word jocks would that have been what you know why I'm asking you that Martin because of this off. The media regulator they carried a survey of their people on various Pip rejoinder to of words and jokes didn't actually come right as particularly offensive you know has to be said there were $248.00 people in this survey which is just kind of asking when your friends really rather designed to Fusilev many friends I'd be lucky but I mean I know you know they speak Facebook friends whom. Real friends. I don't find collection straws. And yes they they concluded that joke along with Ginger and Hon as long as it's not used in 6 Tyrian context is viewed as being quite mild whereas words like TAF is is is one stage up a medium offensive kind of kind of term I think shock isn't offensive and it's mostly because. We're not an oppressed nation Well I think there is a way it some may disagree with what I know that. Any of debate and discussion but yes I do in my mind there is always a question of power a range of the way that language is used and if language is used to assert your power as it's used in a lot of racial and sometimes religious context and that's a totally different thing but that's my dividing line and I think George has within it some positive connections which is a military connection I think I think the the historic use of the term jocks to refer to Scottish regiments is not something that's used pejoratively in fact I think actually used quite positively the context for that is not negative in any we're told and I think there's a kind of the military maybe not as important as it used to be in Scotland I don't know but I think that that historically still lingers around the terms term joke and that's why I don't think unless you're trying to make something of this it's something that we find very offensive and in a weird way your fended by John Cleese I was offended by his snobbery the craving for status makes them a beaches retainers know you're worried because they control the organs of power an opinion which you as a celebrity or at the other end off Ok We'll have to leave that one there but. That is what I. Believe Scotland for and can be nerve wracking from the sun. Contemn struck and man got the campaign off to a winning stop. Tom this weekend it's time to buy Cowboys again good to Russia continues or come to Scotland versus Lithuania tonight from 7 pm on 810 medium wave and digital radio for this but faded away but it always a white sports Scotland's 2018 World Cup qualification campaign on b.b.c. Radio Scotland. And I will be there tonight even though part of me thinks I really want to go through all of that. Anyway so to go on this program we're looking at implications of the new screening tests for don't syndrome and have Jack in Victor still got the old magic but 1st Swedish born journalist Sophie does move to the u.k. And gave birth to her daughter Annie in 1990 but after any failed to meet the usual milestones so we started diagnosis and this was the start of a 10 year journey trying to find the truth about his condition eventually after years of pushing even attending medical conferences and doing her own research so we discovered the Annie had learning difficulties difficulties caused by a chromosome defect sorrier that it's no named after her this prompted Sophie to launch her charity Mind room based in Edinburgh they provide a u.k. Wide service aimed at furthering society's understanding of learning difficulties also offering support to parents struggling to get the right diagnosis or support from schools they've also launched the heroism award following their daughter's heroic action actions in a house fire Sophie knew the 1st time she held her daughter that something was different I think I knew when she was born and I can't tell you anything more than the tire sort of into it to live knew that something wasn't quite right she she she was in there in body and physically but not in spirit. And I think it took about 2 weeks to get her to come around and for her so to come into her body if you would like and as time went on was she hitting the milestones that she should have for a child a very no. I have a son who is 3 years older and he was very early he walked around a rose and Manson and talked when I was in year and he didn't do any of that but I sort of ignored that. And gave her the benefit of the doubt I only had James to compare with you know one very upfront friend of mine in London she said to me for goodness sake Sophie you need to do something she doesn't speak so what did you do so I looked in the. For something called a child psychologist which I almost didn't know existed before. He was born and I found someone that I thought sounded or I had. Booked him to come and assess our house and after 3 hours he said Well Mrs Dow You have a problem your daughter is mentally handicapped and I said Oh Ok well lovely weather and thank you so much for coming in where did you get that really cool briefcase you're carrying. You just couldn't process it no absolutely not to you don't have the frame of reference what does mentally handicapped really mean it was a rather blunt way of putting it to yes but you know since then that's 22 years ago a lot of blunt messages has been delivered to Robin and I and our family. How do you say it I don't blame him what action did you take because that I know that you moved to Scotland was part of the reason for that No I'm married to Scott and we had decided to live London anyway the children are 7 and 4 and London is a cumbersome fantastic place but cumbersome to place to live in so we relocated to Adam or. The time was right to do that and once we came up here we clocked into the sick kids here and Adam are. They're told process took 2 years that are not acceptable describe them Sophie as as last years trying to get a diagnosis diagnosis it was a very traumatic time Was it traumatic is a bit dramatic word but it's. Norman slid draining and you're constantly worried and you're constantly facing new people that you've never met who don't know your daughter you want them to think that is the most important patient they've Everson But you know. They've just barely read the report perhaps and there was 2 years of waiting lists and and less appointments with all kinds of people doctors therapists and so on that you had no relationship with we go there for the final diagnosis if you like the conclusion of the 2 years of endless assessments and the conclusion them was because it's not what it is now was brain damage that occurred during pregnancy and then the said thank you and goodbye Robin and I was standing outside the sick kids and I remember thinking just as Christ will should die they didn't tell us that. Are there schools for someone not County are we the only parents the only family with a child like county there were there was no support no information no help whatsoever and that's what was really triggered me to start thinking about. Changing all of that time a journalist by profession so I'm good at finding out information so I set about finding out information. And quite soon after that someone gave me a book called One child in every class written by a Swedish professor called Christopher Gillberg who is one of the world's leading thinkers in the area of learning difficulties I read that book and I knew then that we belonged in that world of learning difficulties and then I heard that Christopher Gillberg was. Putting on a conference in Gothenburg So I flew over to Gotham Berg and spent the 2 days from 9 till 5 just noting down writing down negatives there to sticks of terrible outcomes of exclusion of bullying of divorce prison statistics and I thought you know harm are going to guide my daughter through all of this this minefield so by the 2nd day I had decided I was going to change the world and I wrote down on a piece of paper which I still have. And that when I change the world number one thing we will convert is hope Number 2 is a recognition number 3 practical solutions what Kara do about it how do we turn this into a positive and then I wrote boners humor because it was a very serious everything and it is a very serious subject but you have to laugh and you have to bring in other dimensions into the. Mix of all of this and this was the basis for mine dream your reality so I flew home to Robin and. This is my experience however I know how to change the world for any one who has learning difficulties but I can't keep working as a journalist and earn money like that and then do it on the side I have to stop doing that and set up an organization so we took that decision together and I set up my own room in 2000 yeah in the meantime you did finally get a diagnosis for any. Well yes and that that's actually an astonishing story as well it's like a genetic detective novel that we are the central characters in I went to see Professor David Fitzpatrick professor in genetics at the Western hairnet Imre. And him took his blood sample for and checked her 1st Pacific chromosome fault call catch 22 or fish. It came back negative This was in 2003 but his said let me keep his blood sample while I wait for better technology 4 years later on the 18th of July we get a letter saying Dear Robin and Sophia I now have a stronger microscope in my lab and I have checked on his blood sample and she does and did have a small but significant chromosome deletion one chromosome 125 genes are missing and this is so rare that syndrome has been named after Yeah she is the only one in the world with this so far and we have done our best to try and publicize it and talk about it which I'm doing now to find others but we haven't found anyone with the exact chromosome profile was it a relief to do or does part of you saying Well Ok but what do we do you know no it was a religious. I think because we are spared the anxious hunt for a cure if you like we know we can't do anything about it what we can do is to try and be those 25 missing genes for her yes and you set up your charity with the idea of helping in supporting young people like Annie and and their appearance. How can it help in practical ways it's very important to help here and now so we set up something called the. Rect help and support my underarms direct help and support in 2005 and we help anyone but email or phone or contact us and it could be anything from helping them to get a diagnosis and signposting or immediate in school and Annie is 25 No yeah a young woman yet how is she she's fabulous. Wonderful it's not always easy but she's great company and she now lives with her best friend Lucy. Who. Also is mentally handicapped live in a flat they both have a lot of support I know you're very proud of or Sophie and that we should also mention an extraordinary and terrifying incident that happened to somebody back in 2017 when I Any understand literally saved your lives tell you what happened yeah so we lived in wonderful house embarrassed in Breske. Slow Then one night the house went on fire and the fire alarm the smoke detectors were not working so. I had to turn to 3 and he wakes up on a table to breed and. If she hadn't woken up we would not be here so what she did then was she was extremely calm and she called Robin my husband. Who jumped out of bed of course and there we had a visiting friends so Robin went to try and save our friend I mean the house was seriously on fire the fire brigade told us afterwards that we had survived by a 2nd so you can imagine how. Dramatic it was. Remained completely calm I managed to find my mobile phone so that we could. Call the fire brigade after around and I had made our way out it took the fire brigade 19 firemen I counted them I love them all and. It took them 3 hours to put the fire out and then secure the house and Annie was completely calm I said turning Norling you were amazing how come you were so calm and she said that's what they teach at boarding school and he went to wonderful school called the new school in Perth Shire so I said well what diminishes the role we had fire drills. And I said Ok So what did those fired what did the teacher and she said to stay calm and get out and that's exactly what she did so then 2 weeks later a friend of ours who I like and to be like James Bond who used to be in counterterrorism was a Marine he phoned us up and he said I want you to know that he's a hero he donated 20000 pounds to set up the antidote heroism award which we have done in short the acronym is. And it is to celebrate it acts of courage and heroism by. Young people with additional support and it's in Scotland you must be so proud any must be to yes I think I'm more proud if you like Ghana and I will tell you she's the boss of mine. And finally Sophie for mind you have a vision for the year 2020 What is it it's that by the year trying to turn to every single person whether their child young adult or adult or old people with any form of learning difficulties will be recognized and helped. That was Sophie quite a story about her daughter. The charity Mind rim is not creating the 1st center of its kind in the u.k. At Edinburgh University bringing together educators health professionals pittance and youngsters so as she puts it nor mind is left behind we're going to be returning to that theme after 11 when we discuss the actress Sally Phillips documentary a world without dying syndrome and you can hear an extended version of that interview including to find out how she became the subject of Auntie and to naming galas last movie on the b.b.c. Radio Scotland websites. She read a show on b.b.c. Bidu Scotland. Now Scotland's favorite pensioners Jack and Victor bites back on to our screens last night in the 1st new episode of still game in 9 years and Naveed shot Isaiah's up their old tricks picking through Winston shopping basket. What. Where hell. Bag tell us it did yes well I don't follow for you normally. Who doesn't know his sex and well the toilet roll usually by the cheap stuff yeah I guess. You guys had to mask in plain. Skin So in your eyes. You should grow a moustache Well I think of one. Walk stop at the end get yourself a job not in the audience expressed Yeah I was a present to still game last night did you enjoy it should shave on the long wait can help thinking that if you're going to be living a nothing but eggs we've been eating that toilet paper. Yeah I was a bit worried about the build up on Friday night because the it was May go what it has a special i den you know it's been almost a decade since since it was on I'd missed them it was good to see them back it's funny that in some ways because he does make more of still human or tional level because it takes all those diversity boxes it's about all their characters I've got a range of them it's got some very creative swearing it's set outside London and you know it's about you know. I suppose you might say a working class situation although you know you you get beyond that it's a bit it's. It's perhaps having seen the 1st episode I wonder if people felt all this this feels a little familiar but I went on the 2nd episode and I think that you know they're they're clearly on a roll the 2nd of his lovely Northwoods Jake D'Arcy who played the referee in Gregory's Girl of course was a mainstay of. So for all those reasons I'm glad to see it back and do you know it's not going to be him. Cutting edge is. My my thing is it's a Friday night last thing you want to cutting edge you know sit there he said in his Metropolitan Police with my glass of white wine on a Friday night that's all I want I don't want anything challenging and that's what it felt like it just felt really comforting like all strange but yeah this is just fine I don't know anybody else and I get afraid you know I can barely remember the names of my family members you know so it was just perfect for me actually but it but you know I'd never like I've never seen that before I'd heard. So you know before I heard I knew what it was I've seen excerpts and what not because 9 years or. So a lot of them I obviously I knew it was on the hydro is a big thing and this is a big thing I thought opposers ever so it was I must confess I found myself laughing like a drain I had a couple of drinks that I went to the public a mark of time to watch as I did find I really enjoyed it actually it was it was quite comforting it was quite it was quite often I quite like the social world not this similar to the one of my house. Because you're right it isn't a world I often see on television on b.b.c. One at like on a Friday night and I will watch the next one I'll link it probably laugh like a drain again mazing set of good hey here you know it's the same thing on the back and Friday nights at 930 and we're back after 11 with more on the big talking points including the actress Sally Philip Seymour to document she asking whether a world that Dines syndrome is a good thing Louis Theroux is guilt about Jimmy Savile and 2 international best seller is making the headlines for different reasons. 92 to 95 a theme each one of the medium wave and on digital radio b.b.c. 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Radio Scotland news thanks Bruce Hello again you're listening to shine with me should be 9 Johnny with my guests on Senate Peter Gagan and Martin Raymond in the 4 of us will be mulling over more of the big talking points of the week including Louis through his return to his 2000 documentary on Jimmy Savile the outing of an anonymous author and bond takes a look at the new movie adaptation of the girl on the train but 1st actor Sally Phillips was on our screens this week in something of a different guise She's a mother of 3 sons one of whom Ollie has Don't syndrome Sally was concerned about the ethics of a new noninvasive prenatal screening test which allows parents to know with 99 percent certainty whether their child has done syndrome with statistics showing the number of people terminating done syndrome pregnancies has risen by 40 percent in the past decade she wanted that the new test would lead to a further increase into terminations and she told Great Ormond Street Professor Lynch shitty a screening of people with Down's syndrome. Just isn't worth screening out I do not think that we don't I find it quite stressing I mean I had a journalist. Down going to happen explain to me why that isn't happening because the figures say the opposite only if you look at small numbers were not significantly changed. So I don't think you can say that at the moment I think you have to wait and see what happens it's going to cost if it isn't also my cost at all we showed very clearly that you can implement this so I wasn't meaning the court financial cost Ok I mean this is you know an experiment that May was in catastrophic results on the density of population or the pilot study would suggest that it's not going to result in the latter I think so you have how does your son 11 so he's 11. How do you feel about it. Later on in life when he because he's likely to outlive you so how do you how do you what does that prospect hold for you. Well I'm actually I feel that at the answer to that is not should you know the answer to that is if we have a society that is unable to care for people then the problem is not the person. Well it was an extract from Sally for a peristaltic in a documentary a world with a Dines than Drome it raises all sorts of ethical questions this Martin how did you feel watching it well it certainly does even in the clip there I think package and . Verse are very as is the 2nd time that physician their boss quite aggressively to come back is a no if you thought I was after you did to your child but behind that obviously is the real issue and I think that's the whole to me the whole strength of this it wasn't a documentary it didn't attempt to didn't purport to go and and tell a balanced story and all the way through she said I've never made a documentary before and it was an intensely personal view of this issue and it was I think probably useful corrective to what peer to be the position taken by n.h.s. Staff in their dealings with pregnant women who had had the taste she was apparently upset by by the way that this new tested being covered as a as a breakthrough as good news in his belt How did the people with Down Syndrome feel about that and I think that was I think that was a very a very good corrective and I think you have to keep in mind all the time that she was you know emotionally engaged with us absolutely. But the more I thought about it the more I thought actually you can't have an objective look at this you know you either involved or you know you cannot judge people who are in a position unless you're in a position to you can be empathetic and you can be imaginatively engaged and involved and you can understand people's position but until you were faced with that choice and to make that decision then I don't think we're in any position to judge she herself judged other people quite freely in this program she just people who had chosen to after terminations but I do think within the context of what she was seeing. That seem to be quite fine but I think there's a much wider thing here and I think the way to think here is the thing that comes up every time there's a development in education and in medical technology ethics and discussion like far behind speed at which the technology can advance this is not terrible he says as if I knew anything about it this isn't terribly sophisticated technology is an improvement on advancement and what's already been there but. To implement a policy around this without thinking through what kind of discussion do you deal laypeople to have what kind of discussion do you do you do you can text should lie g encourage what kind of information do you give people and she did focus on that very well I thought but the behind that is this much wider question you fire introduced policy based on technology advancing without really thinking through what are the implications and how do you encourage debate about these implications among society but amongst the people who are most actively involved Peter Yeah I think that that's one the key things is how do you have these conversations is obviously very difficult position what do you do what do you if this new test comes along and it's a bit like one of the in some ways it's like a hypothetical you know what do you do if you had this choice you this choice to eradicate this thing would you choose to do with Jews or I got an interesting factor in Iceland 100 percent and have chosen to Tammany Yes which is you know I mean having spent quite a lot of time in ice and in some ways that's not that surprising there's a whole history about Scandinavia and this and genetics and eugenics almost over just slightly different and I was also small places where you're a 1000 people but it is an interesting thing on the less and they have to I'm not knowing Iceland I'm not surprised this is about as a district but what I'm what I thought was more interesting what I found at times watching this and in some of the debates I've heard but since it was you know you start with this woman she's very interesting she's very telegenic I was interested as she led you true you know what was very much no way an object of your emotions towards objective kind of thing but if started off with her in a lovely big kitchen in her home which I presume is in London and I didn't get much of us and it was a kind of sense of this is my lovely boy and surely all people have a life like mine and I felt that that was what was missing that some people are you know there's a serious speak to anybody who is struggling there isn't someone a single point someone lives in there is a single person who's got has got hasn't got a job who ends up your own wishing he becomes proud they are not in the set and I felt there was a lot of manipulation and motion me from her the. Her son did absolutely wonderful you know you could see that was so much love and affection between them and I just felt that that was kind the missing and I thought I just felt are told she could have tried a little bit to engage with people who weren't quite you know all going through it I felt that was what was missing in it because that's why it's not an either or you know I didn't I think that's important I do think to defend the film she did go to see a woman who was having 2nd baby having already had dined. And that was that was very modest. House and very modest home. And about one for me was the fact that that woman had said I do not wish to have attained I do not wish to discuss or and I was completely ignored by the physicians that she was involved with which I thought was a very telling thing but I mean I think I take the general point and that's why I suppose ultimately for me yeah there's a right to choose and you can't judge people about how they choose and there is a sense here you know we know not to judge women's right to have a terminations I know some people tick but there's a general feeling in society you do not judge that whereas what she was seeing here was no actually we did we should judge people around us and I was uncomfortable with the question that the program asks is would you feel comfortable choosing a world without dimes than job and she was saying that people with diamonds have to have a it misses the fact that people the Danes and for that matter lots of people with all sorts of learning difficulties have real contributions to make to our society and that's what we should be thinking of yeah. I found myself a bit conflicted about this because what one of things I thought was was really significant about this one the things that really struck me was that there wasn't really that much participation from people with guns I mean we we met various examples and I did feel they were examples but I thought it was interesting that this. People are not on the Commission for Human Genetics and it's left to Norm disabled people to say how tragic it is that you know we don't have fully informed discussions and you know that we're looking at screens that may stop disabled people from being born I think perhaps and maybe this wasn't the document because it was very personal. Very personal polemic but if there isn't a disabled people they might learn 1st hand that it's not so tragic and that maybe we could do more to increase the possibility of disabled people living worthwhile lives rather than you know stopping them being born in the 1st place and it goes back to what Sophie thing as I think she talked about told me she sees it as society's own lending disability or difficulty in learning how to cope with people like Sally's son like Sophie's daughter exactly I think I think that is one of the key issues around this as well because. You know I think you can have informed choice one ends of the scale and you can also have a society that supports and encourages and and our lives people with disabilities to meet the contribution that they can meet because I think that's if we've discussed this many times in this program around our own changes to welfare in the way that you know access and welfare and these kind of issues really limit the contribution that a lot of people with disability can make and I think this program was very good at saying you know when when when when the whole question of the legality of terminations with don't syndrome was decided it was a different world it was 30 odd years ago yes and the educational advancements the integration of children with Danes into mainstream education all these things have moved on in advance hugely and that time so I think I think it did as a piece of television touch on these way to be engaged as well and bring them into play Yeah and said I think there probably isn't another program to be made in fear says Sally Phillips I think she says she went to the b.b.c. And said somebody else. Leaking it. So we may well return to it when another one is made and can you please from the wreckage the name you did to your McCaskill the April 19th former detectives Tony's and Peter Ritchie of interrogation your decision to release on compassionate grounds the Lockerbie bomber for 60 really controversial high forward laws but we were about to small call him out a great deal as former Justice Secretary I will Kenny MacAskill react when his actions are put under the spotlight he thought somehow or other I was a civil monster that's why I was afraid the good cop bad cop returns Tuesday at 130 on the b.b.c. Radio Scotland. 16 years ago and 12 years before Jimmy Savile was exposed as a prolific sex offender Louis Theroux made his b.b.c. T.v. Documentary when Louis met Jimmy which saw him moving into the celebrity's home following the program Savile and through became unlikely friends once Savile's crimes had come to light the documentary came under sharp focus as it appeared to come close to uncovering something even touching on the subject of paedophilia that some things through should have pushed harder to get to the truth while Savile was still alive all this week in Louis Theroux Savile's the documentary maker looked back and wondered if he could have done more when Dame Janet Smith published a report into the B.B.C.'s role in the Savile affair among the many victims interviewed with the 2 women who'd written me a letter in 2000 and who I'd met for coffee that come forward amid the tsunami of revelations to say that their relations with Jimmy Savile had been abusive that was sort of the closest I got to. Getting the truth but at the time I met. They were still describing themselves as his friend. I wondered whether if I'd handled the encounter in a different way they might have felt able to say more or whether they simply hadn't been ready intimidated by the perception of his power. Well he did speak to revisit a number of people who had been in the original documentary and people who had contacted subsequently What did you think about this what did what did it achieved anything well that was my 1st question what does this hope to achieve I mean in 2001 when through. Documentaries original document you did fair job of establishing a creepy Savile could be a what a bully and a sexist and generally somebody you wouldn't want to spend time with. He spent 10 days with him which sounds an awful lot to you know modern journalists where we're lucky to stay in a room with for an hour with with somebody who's in the public eye. But I'm not sure what he thought Savile would say he would do on camera at that time when he managed to hide his true nature from the public for 5060 years they did show some footage that they'd managed to catch catch when he was well aware realize that it was I think is going and what. A sight I was kind of just how they managed to get that because you know do you do celebrities nowadays sign off or you know it was footage that they were aware was being filmed you know it's as I say it's a side up it's never something that's actually described you know say yeah sure use that or did the sneak it on as some as the closest they could get to to the real Savile that's just as a side like this I'm less sure about because it seemed to be much more about comforting giving comfort to Louis Theroux for feeling to. Know and to see Jimmy Savile in the 1st place is as one of the interviewee said he groomed use much as as he groomed us God is the leader of the line self-serving that was by far the most remote he groomed you more you grew more he grew in June and I thought that was really it was the one bit where I thought it was getting towards something and I was I felt it felt at times it was an hour and 4 it was an hour and 50 minutes is quite long for something like that you know obviously looter was given and I felt for the 1st half hour as I can see this I thought it was going to go right Oh you missed this and now I'm going to go on try and piece together what I missed but also what lots of other people missed I'm going to give you the big picture and it actually never did you suffer was left to feel a bit like a one off there's this focus on the character of civil service person as a normal man and his various nasty things as we know this was not a one off operation you true just in today's paper your former Radio one d.j. Chris Dunning has been jailed for 13 years for child sex abuse this is not insider was not in any way a one off there was no mention I thought the fact that they didn't mention Newsnight there was no mention of the Newsnight spy. Newsnight program does a person not kind of the stale of a louis thing it is or it is there like this there was no interview those people why the only women were interviewed I felt that felt quite uncomfortable to me so it was kind of women pitted against women where were the men there were involved is these decisions too I felt there was so much that was missing and I felt that if he'd been able to bring I know it's not his style but the fact that it became so much about Louis actually missed it and the fact that I thought in depicting Savile purity is worn off because that was the thing it was all about how he'd feel to do it and people kind of saying to me it's Ok he was such a monster it's Ok Louis it wasn't really your fault most people kind of saying that he was going to ask himself about it and I thought in depicting servers this totally sway onerous thing he missed actually a much bigger story it was you could actually have to interrogate I don't I didn't get that he was just depicting as a one off they were just showing how manipulative he was and how controlling he was and you know how difficult it was to get get to the bottom of it and what did you think well I disagree entirely with my colleagues. I actually of the I just thought tens of thousands of words I've read on one and all of documentaries of watched this was a bit like what we just referred to in relation to the don't syndrome this was an untimely Paris no subjective view of Savile and you don't think it became too much about well it was all about 3 and that was a great strength because through that I saw things that yes I knew but I hadn't quite understood in the way that they did so may and I just throw some examples here but there were many I did certainly pick up on the threatening behavior we were he was filmed off camera and he was going well when I was in the clubs you know I used to tie them up and put it on and it's a. Dodge even more so with square 3 picked up the thing one of that's my address you see phones he finds lying around and some of his oh yeah I've got all these people I know in a and I lived in where he has he was seeing Oh I'm very powerful. But he was also seeing I do know where you live and I think a lot of people who said I didn't say anything about it I kind of knew what was going on you know and all the official documents everybody says that I knew something was happening but I didn't innovate and one of the reasons there was a is I was frightened of them and you think I'd be frightened of you know an old guy over here and and suddenly I saw no it's quite easy threatening and quite a subtle way you also saw that kind of thing and that was the key line you know do you feel groomed from that that that girl had been abused when she was 14 or something and that is the thing because I reigned through Louis through zines I think were a lot of people who watched Jimmy Savile on television and thought he looks a bit odd but here it's all fun I was never a big fan but I watched the programs and you do and a very strange way for you yourself even slightly complicit in all of that you see all this going on and you just accepted it as part of show business and he was a funny can a guy and a bit dodgy. But nobody asked questions and I think because it was so personal it 2 q. Into that he says at one point to that girl and find I think bad people do good things but they're still bad people and I think vast the complexity of those 2 used to go he was a monster you know Frankie Boyle he once said I think it's great if you asked a child to draw a paedophile they would draw Jimmy Savile you know it was written in retrospect so obvious but why did that not come to light before and there's been talk about the conspiracies and you know he picks up in the media here often mistake of this by the way as a as a complicit institution but it's much deeper than it's how paedophiles work his home abusers work it's the mix of 3 and charm and so on and I got from this program and I haven't quite got it to that extent before Ok leave it there. Are you thinking what do you think you should we should on b.b.c. B. Do Scotland. What is this morning shift on Senate Peter Gagan and Martin Raman who is ill in a photo until you might have seen the name in the bestsellers list the Italian offer author of the 4 novels that make up the Neapolitan quartet but frantic is a pseudonym and there's long been a mystery in various theories as to who she or he is the author has been granting interviews via e-mail and is even brought out to work purporting to tell us about her family background but the investigative journalist Clode you'll get a believe the back story it was a fabrication and this week unmasked the author a wrong based translator called Anita Rodger has provoked outrage in the literary world with frantic publishers calling it disgusting journalism Here's what Clodius Getty had to say when he spoke to b.b.c. Radio 4 s Today programme I did it because I believe that this she was a very. Much a public figure and when a 1000000 subjects are bought by a reader's saying in a way I think we have choir the right to know something about the person who created the war the problem was the friend to man yeah it was full of untruths she did not describe herself she lied about her personal life that she chose to present as a journalist I don't like lice and I decided to expose them well and Peta Gagan you're one that's always exposing lies and you also like me as a huge fan of their Lena. Neapolitan novels and do we have a right to know I am I was I did read them without caring a huge amount who she was a minute I didn't I didn't read the books one who is this person who is now as I have to know who this person is I just didn't really bother me when I did I kind of felt that Mr Garcia you know he's there you know she's a public figure I guess the question is she a public figure in a way is just buying a book qualify you to know about the person who's written us because you know a public figure my always is someone is an elective office they're clearly a public figure somebody paid money by the state they're clearly a public figure someone who just writes novels and you choose to buy that already a public figure I kind of I felt squeamish about this whole thing I guess in part because I felt I don't think quotes I don't know what I did to by doing this by revealing or I kind of felt he had gone to this incredible effort is a huge it's a proper piece of investigative journalism you know trolling 2 or documents companies looking at where you know how much she would've gotten royalties although this is a lot of work and I kind of feel at the end why would some I just feel it was a docu amount of wasted work on the really their their biggest target this huge targets initially you know really if you are an investigative journalist it's a shooting fish and are in a way why would you spend all of this effort all of this energy and I actually thought was quite revealing the media on this because it ends up in public the New York Review of Books which is not a hard hitting you know you know it's not a for. 1st place you go for your latest kind of scandal it's not a tabloid it isn't all of this was offered around the broadsheets this this story was offered to more and more newspaper for the New York Review of Books talkers and I think that nobody publish shows a certain squeamishness maybe it's a post Leveson scream issues but I think it also speaks to a wider question about is this person really a public figure I don't think so ergo I think it should have been done I don't know I'm I've got it wrong over all these long years I've been reading books but it's fiction is lies is it not it's own made up so if you make up almost a fiction of range yourself which it could well be the case then that seems to me perfectly legitimate for a right.

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