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Says it's committed to keeping costs under control $2.00 fishermen a missing and one has been rescued after their boat capsized in Loch Fyne in our Garland Butte lifeboats a called out after a distress signal was received at around 6 last night a man was pulled from the water by the crew a survey suggests transgender people face widespread discrimination at work one in 8 say they've been physically attacked by a colleague or a customer in the past year with half hiding their identity for fear of discrimination Pulte caucused from the campaign group Stonewall we take all these different experiences together well so it is a picture of the really be out to live free life in every part of your life we all feel that Barry is a boy about it that's a mental health that being able to. And Boris Johnson has raised the prospects of a bridge across the English Channel it's believed the foreign secretary raised the idea during a summit with the president and to research. 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Or you can get in touch with us on social media using at b.b.c. 5 Live now basically that's taken us all the way through the whole program just getting through that fact that part of it there is pretty much half our program fantasy a very good morning to you Howie morning and well thank you it's very good to be talking to you this I was looking at some of the things that you've you've got to talk about tonight there's quite a lot of hardware in there and there's the I with a not the sort of like the interesting things like new phones being released or new huge bits of technology this is about it's a lot about the things that are in sa need Yes So for example. We heard about the fact that the processes that are in almost every computer that we use be a desktop laptop tablet or smartphone are potentially affected by 2 security flaws in the actual chips one is called Specter and the other one is called meltdown and Intel particularly badly hit in the Intel processors or victims of both of those. A.m.d. An arm and some of the other approaches the manufacturer slightly less so I would say it's still an evolving picture but but it is interesting because these what they found out is a technique that is being used in making processes faster for the last 20 years has got serious security flaw and it is possible to write software that takes advantage of that. I guess one would call it a design flaw it's not a it's not a bug in the traditional sense of being in software it's possible to get malware onto a computer that can actually just if it's cleverly written just bleed out the information that goes through the process and everything in an encrypted form so you know passwords keys security keys all that sort of thing so this fund ability Normally you hear about vulnerabilities you know from Windows or macro s. Or whatever and after a short while a patch is producer to say piece of software that corrects the software error the difference here is that the error is in the hardware it's the way the hardware works and therefore although the software patches haven't are being produced to to mitigate this risk it can only ever mitigate it will never go away and for the life of that computer and you can't even go out and buy a computer and be quite confident that it's not in that one it will probably be even usually announce chips for the next year or 2 at least given what the development cycle of processes is and and also when they come to fix it how will they fix it without making computers a lot slower because it was a speeding up function that they they took advantage of it's basically was a predictive functions one things that processes do is in their spare time they trying to guess what you might want what the program might want to know or do next and then it does it now often it's right in which case that's an official thing to do because it's all you know that result is then waiting but sometimes it has to throw that result way because the you know it predicted the program was going to turn right to turn left as it were and therefore that's not needed and so this predictive capability was being used because when the processor throws it away it was straying away in an unsecured area and and very hard. Secure that sort of thrown away information so it is possible to write software that would cause all sorts of data to be passed through the process as a prediction and then thrown away and them read by by the malware so if you take away that ability because that's where the the the floor is yeah what do we have to live with slower computers than we thought we were going to yeah I mean depending on what you're doing so if you're doing gaming where the majority of the the work is done by you know graphics processors and not. Import output base you know terms of bringing in data putting back out again processing data then that's less affected If however you're running something that sort of database related then that's that could be you know slowed down by 30 percent by disabling that feature. And the problem with that is although you say oh it's where I don't run databases Well the Internet is pretty much a database so all all the servers you know these huge server farms that you know take up the size of several football pitches each all with these rope on Rove computer that serve up web pages they're all potentially hit and particularly because of the way that service work where often you get more than one website sitting on a particular server or cluster of service and what that means is that it's possible for people to create even Web sites to breach server farms and get into everything else that's connected to that and. So that's that's a really big problem and although although it's not just the intel that's hit by that because as a ham t. Is hit by that and used my thing well you know a lot of empty computers about alm is hit by that no arm you may not know the name or I know you know the name but a list of mine on more than one. That is used that technology is used in the vast majority of tablets and smartphones including Apple stuff so you say I work no hold on Apple produce apple chips well they do but they do it using license license technology from the underlying technology of Apple so you know 81810 x. And all those sorts of processes in its i Pads and i Phones. Some of these which by the way was a British company and so very recently it's a great shame that's one of the crown jewels that we lost so this is a problem in terms of how do we make ourselves secure now what vote to we do about this going forward because it's not even the nice thing for them to fix so it means that we're going to have this sort of vulnerability in addition to all the software ones that will still be coming up we're going to have this underlying weakness and. This is been going on for 20 years. So one has to say you know although we don't have any evidence that anyone's been utilizing it you know frankly if anyone used has been utilizing it's probably you know the CIA or someone like the suspects say they're you know well yes because well they have form on this don't they because that there were other security weaknesses vulnerabilities that when they came to the attention of the CIA instead of bringing it to the manufacturers attention and so they could fix it they decided to keep in quotes keep it secret and developed a talkative software tools to to to allow them to do so allow them to take advantage of the vulnerability and use that to spy on upon others now you could say well that's well and good that's what we you know that's what we want the CIA to be doing. And. The problem with that is that they've shown that it's they were unable to keep those cyber weapons under wraps which is a bit like having a nuclear arsenal but not being. Able to stop your enemies from taking control of it and in fact if you think back to the want to cry outbreak which was at ransom where outbreak which we're told was an attack by North Korea it's the one that hit the n.h.s. And many other organizations across the world that although that may have come the attack may have come from North Korea it was made using tools stolen from the CIA. So it's kind of that and there in lies a problem so you've got these vulnerabilities. The industry has been working. Secretly you know Intel and others have been sharing what they know with software manufacturers and the idea was for them to be able to patch the problem to fix a problem in software or at least mitigate it in software before any any of us got to know about it unfortunately for them you know others found the vulnerability and published before they had finished patching it so there's still the still the last of the patches of going in and some of those patches Intel released a patch very high Ridley and then found that I actually saw it myself really surprised me how did the unit found that on I am teacher calls them to crash which was a help source a prompt they probably withdrew the patch so it's all a big mess at the moment and this is in a sense you know you know the expression we're all in it together with this time we really are all in it together because no one's going to be really truly protected from this which makes. Perhaps think about the fact that you know we should always think about what we store in computers in particular what we store knowing which is just another way of storing it on someone else's computers on the server farm in America you know what because anything that we commit to a computer is not completely safe never was but this is this is this brings into focus the fact that really it isn't completely safe and you should think very carefully about what you're prepared to put online I did also think just as an adult thought that although other processes are affected the Intel ones are arguably more effective because they're susceptible to both Specter and meltdown which are sort of. Variants that say. In the past I would have said well yeah but it's still better to stick with Intel chips because they're clearly the best processor chips but actually in the last year or year and a half a.m.d. Have made something of a comeback I mean up until then for the 1015 years before that the stock advice was by Intel you know the a.m.t. Chips run hearts that they they're not as powerful they're not as well designed but with the launch of the i m D's rise and chips are wise that he n. That started to change Intel was found to be somewhat resting on its laurels because. It got caught out because as the world moved away from desktop and even that P.C.'s P.C.'s towards. Mobile devices such as tablets and smartphones it was it was left with processes that were inappropriate they were far too high energy usage for those sorts of devices that will help for desktops and so most of the last few years Intel's been concentrating on making their chips faster and faster which was always that way but rather trying to make the more energy efficient so much so that Moore's Law This idea that every 18 months the computer power of walk systems doubles Moore's Law came under threat and and so much so that they took their eye off the ball in my view an a.m.d. Of sorts knock on them up on them with these rising chips and are now a viable alternative and given the combination of spectrum meltdown may actually be a better choice in terms of again 20 just to mitigate the risk are just going to jump and we're going to go back to the tennis and he's there. Set point for Nicholas bottom actually 54030000 hits a back on Crossfire is a slice of it long from Karl Edmund Mikhail Edmund the British number 2 he's going to reach the round of 16 history an open he's going to have to do it the hard way in searing heat because bass Lashley leads by 2 says to want to Colorado will have to complete just his 3rd career at 5 set match when all of that career the 1st one coming early this week as the 11 season old to do for Kyle Edmund he trails that Nicklaus past life fully by 2 sets to one more a bit later on let's go to the phone lines because George in Devon is give me a ring George very good morning to you good morning to you how are you. Ok I'm. Very blind and I can use my mobile phone anymore and I just need some help because I think directory 5 attempts to get through to you I might have and sat in the house. But the technology is there I'm told by our troops are blind I went to a meeting recently. They said this technology is there but nobody's doing about it they can make a mobile phone but blind they were very easily so why don't I I know George good morning I'm sorry to hear you know you having problems between getting through. There are mobile phones which all designed for use point blind people love to door open up the Mildmay Ok so what you have use is a small phone with no i don't know which one it is but it was recommended by action and is easy to use but I count on it because I can see yeah Steve you don't need a screen we don't need email we don't need to. Text messages because we can't see the screen anyway favor moved all of I haven't replaced it with something which is voice recognition. The idea is that you can pick give 1st Jim Bouton and say taxi or say saying it's British so say surgery dynamic it once you remove the screen all the other rubbish in that one is all rubbish repeated about vision but it's ready for people to come see you know if they remove all of my back it opens up a big space in the back of a phone to put other things in for some people are blind you know so I heard recently that. $300000000.00 units of a were made would be snapped up maybe early because the world wide. They got no records of any people who are blind in China and those millions. Of people are behind in China and India they go by the people my phone may specifically be blind people that understand it but Doro is a great phone but it's like I still can use it Ok so the door rows are not specifically made for Blind People them them that they're made for people that have . In some cases vision impairment but more partial sighted than complete blindness there are ga or 2 approaches that manufacturers use to to allow blind people to successfully use mobile phones one is to have a traditional time mobile phone with physical buttons on it and the way that that is used for that you can actually literally feel your way around the keypad to the center key has a small indentation to let you know where you are where you can grease on it so that's one approach the other approach is to use a smartphone that's to say a phone with a with the whole front surface is just a piece of glass but then to use excess called excess ability features on the phone that can be switched on so this can be done without say an Apple i Phone in particular but also with competitive Android phones and those ones then use voice recognition and speech feedback and and although I'm not blind on I I use the feature where I dial my phone using my voice so you know if I'm in the car or if I had to speak with my hands doing something else I would just say you know something like well I won't say out loud but you know you can say hey Shlomo whatever. You call this number and he confirms that's a number you want to say yes or I can say send this text message and then I can dictate the text message and it when they say read to back to you and then you say sent. And it has sent so that's the other approach either go the tactile approach and have the basic phone functionality of being able to dial numbers and aunts or incoming calls or you go the voice recognition straight speech automated speech site and that will have the benefit of allowing you to do more and also reading to for example the contents of the screen so if for example on an Apple i Phone if you just swipe 2 fingers down from the top of the screen it reads to you the contents of the screen which can be anything from a web page to an e-book So that gives you a lot more functionality Yes it doesn't have tactile buttons that you can actually feel but it allows you to do pretty much anything by voice and I would say all of the 2 Apples accessibility features or all the Apple devices are more expensive Typically I would say in terms of the accessibility for your needs arguably a little bit more straightforward. Finally sorry if I can just say finally I would just say that if you do go for something like that and you buy online make sure you pay for it with a credit card and make sure that you know your right to return is there so typically you get say from Apple you get 14 days what they call a remorse period when you can return it for pretty much any reason and get a full refund and that would be a good thing because even if you go in store and ask them to demonstrate to the proof of the pudding will be in the eating and if you have you know week or 2 in order to try it out if it doesn't meet your needs and you can send it back and additionally and I'm not just promoting a book is Google do this is what Apple have particularly good support you know they're more expensive but some of that goes towards the quality of support and they will help talk you through set up and all this sort of thing so I don't think it's true to say that there aren't phones that you know are designed there might not be designed only for use by blind people but they're designed for use also by blind people they are told you have that helped one of the problems for George is that he's funny from Devon if you were very near a very very large. Shopping Center with Pavey maybe an Apple store or a Samsung store or any of those it's worth going along and seeing what they'll do in terms of even in store giving you like a few weeks to bring things back because a lot of the big companies do that we're going to go and talk to staying that way or the of the country to Joanne in Dorset very good morning to you out what's your problem it's a Facebook problem is not 0 so I'm just I'm not taking reminded so I have a great Facebook account with. But you don't I thought Finally I've noticed lately people have been telling me. You know how you get a final question you can either like. Or accept well qualified requests from myself. To do what so either generally Tory Quest confirm or trade and I've only got one account you've only ever had one Facebook account Yeah I I wouldn't even know how to set up a 2nd one but I've looked a bit early it's got some of them a parallel my Christmas curriculum. For this some comet some bias but. It's got no picture was my wall has pictures was your dog so I don't know why he's got a Facebook account from me. For requests so I don't know whether it's just it's only to others that might ruin the other stuff all I don't know what. Are you sure I mean 1st who do you have the ability to delete Are you sure that that's not some sort of. Nefarious account set up by someone else well I know Ok. So it's a friend your question you know is a journalist which I don't tend to expect but you can either delete or close. Your friends or you don't know. Where it's come up it's come up in the phones or class Yeah well I mean I would reject it Ok on the grounds that you don't know what it is if you have access to to the actual account if you couldn't get you into I mean you've either got one account who you've got to sue so it would typically have different banks if details when the 1st point is a sage just just reject that there's no reason to accept it if you if you you know anyway don't understand what it is or doubt its veracity rejected and and then if you've got access to it you can try you know just if you can log on to just trying to attest to the to some some some I can't because I haven't taken my name so cool picture and a lot of it's a shame it's almost like case it's become page. Eyes I certainly wouldn't have the technology. Because I didn't set up in the 1st place to even create one so I load whether just lease it and forget about it well I would I mean I would and if there's no other indication that it still exists then then I would worry about it if it continues to persist and in fact you can contact Facebook themselves and asked them to to look into it and say you know this is not something this appears to be. A copy of my account in some way what is it you know it's not me and you know if if if if if there's enough resemblance to your sleep a can and usually will take it down for you but. I mean it's sort of powerhouse. Not being techie minded I mean just like if I delete it with the sec my wand but it should if you might changes in one does it reflect in both. Well it's got my Christmas cake up on there that I post it right but if you make a change that you're making the change does it affect both I have a choice Ok so I think I'd like to change all the lists all forms say. Well no I think you probably make it on your own you and me on your own one and see if it ripples through if it doesn't work more through Yeah Ok then that's a copy that was made at some point in the past accidentally by you war or someone else if they are connected then again I would speak to Facebook about that because that would be rather strange so one would imagine they're not linked that one is a copy of the other at a particular point in time but yeah but but try to reject the request make a change one on your one if the other one persists in the existing then ask Facebook to take it down if it's not you know it's a something you want then you has no business being there really brilliant I hope that's all out for you it's either that or you have indeed gone into the twilight zone which is what there was a slight pause from fabs in me when when you read that out and I don't know I'm probably I might just be. Second guessing but that's exactly what I thought I thought we have joined into a parallel universe and she's doing that we've got so you know if you look out on the wing of the aircraft and there's something playing with the engine then you know you've got a. Great. There's a certain Most anyone who would have got that. 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Well if he is going to resign a 16 year straight and open he'll have to win his 3rd 5 set match of his career the 2nd coming at the start of the week because he seed Kevin Anderson haven't taken the 1st set against Georgia Nicholas bass Lashley against want to play the Georgian got back into things he broke he took the 2nd set then the Georgian came for a break down in the 3rd to give him a 2 sets to one lead over Edmond and currently only stages the full set Edmund has had 3 break point opportunities on the bus last really 1st service game he hasn't been able to convert the school board reads one love Edmund in this fall said he trails by 2 sets to one his commentary few Now over in sports extra or here on 5 Live for the rest of the day sports news is Shabnam Unishe to include Kyron Wilson is through to his 1st Masters semifinal after a stunning the 2 time champion Mark Williams with a 61 win obviously surprised from our performance but not so much because you know it's such a hard venue to play well and you know you're playing in front of 2000 people live you know it can be difficult both don't always go nor a sphere I think because I won a couple of scrappy ones Mark struggled to find his momentum early on and to struggle to put a stamp on the matter really while defending champion Ronnie O'Sullivan says he's glad to be out of the tournament at London's Alexandra Palace because he didn't feel good enough physically to go on when he was beaten 61 by Mark Allen after struggling with illness and has again threatened to miss this year's world championships they want me that bad come knocking on my door talk to me if you tell me that but there's other people to. Do stuff for me as well you know Chan is very good to me this you know you go really just make sure that you're comfortable what you're doing you know in 7 days Sheffield. Us. Not the greatest of all things to be . Very she Dorman say Austin Vango has been disrespectful by saying that strike. Obama young would fit in an awful but on target has been left out of his side's trip to has a badly later but the club say they've had no contact with Austin ill then Guy has also declined to comment on his possible interest in West Brom to fund the Jonny Evans his manager Alan Pardew says any club who wants to sign the player needs to make an offer sooner rather than later if some club thing always go and they limit that point I think they're going to get some bad knows so I need to heed the words of all the warnings that are given because there's no point saying oh well you know we're still 2 days the window you'll be fine we won't be we won't have time I'm sorry. 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Both on Twitter on social media or on text on e-mail as well and on the phones some came in much earlier this evening I just want to ask you a quick couple of of one's not long answers don't think on these ones. This one from dayglo gal who says I can't tell you how happy I am back my happiness is complete please ask him what will be the next big thing that will have a soul choking over all conflicts and it's I mean it's a good question because we just have to see us show in Las Vegas which used to be called Consumer Electronic Show now no longer stands for that just school C.D.'s for some strange reason for those bazaars that isn't stand for anything anymore. And not restoring fact that they had a blackout and water leaks in the building which wasn't great we saw a number of trends there so we seen you know as an echo type devices and Google's home system devices and so far we've been used to being offered these smart speakers as they're called the objects in and of themselves to buy But increasingly what we're seeing and what we've seen at c.b.s. Is these technologies and they're fighting out between Amazon and Google as to which is going to be the dominant technology it's like a format war these Technologies Inc being built into everything that you can imagine so this idea in the future that we will buy a smart speakers it's probably you know somewhat redundant everything that we buy will not only have some smarts in it so ai is part of the answer artificial intelligence part of it but the way that we interact with the artificially intelligent entity inside each of the objects that we co-exist with the objects that we buy all those that we find in public spaces they will be voice activated you will literally Well they hadn't had an ai voice activated toilet for a little which was great actually I can see the benefit of that because some talk was here some time. If you don't want to touch the flusher the let's be honest and if you can flush a toilet by voice so much better if you're in a public toilet and you start saying a lexer flush flush it's just not going to go well is that I have a friend who's got a daughter called Alexa that's a bit unfortunate. It's funny isn't it so all those people that grew up being called Britney and so forth and after you know pop stars and and probably now they'll be a lot of people called of Axelsen I want to know the ones machine you know no one called Siri So that's Ok I know what's what's all that about. You know you can change the name on the Amazon devices yeah it does it call it something Amazon or computer or Alexa a computer just sounds like 2001 a Space Odyssey Yeah it's all or Star Trek and I mean in fact if you toe if you tell it to close the pod bay doors it knows what you mean it really is it's got great film references and I have to say also if you if you ask you ask if it knows how you get an interesting response or worse or if it's going to kill us all there was a there was an interesting story the other week about somebody who had a Google device and someone has an Amazon device and had the 2 of them talking almost to each other yeah it's kind of fun that's what's one way of it it's so so so to answer the question you know this is not just the voice interface but the artificial intelligence the fact that these devices are getting increasingly smarts and the reason for that breakthrough is not just because we have faster processes and better programming but we now have access to computers have access to what's known as Big Data this idea that you know so for example every time you speak to you know an echo device or Google device the way that it works is that a recording of your voice is sent instantaneously over the Internet to the servers at Amazon or Google their programs through the analysis to work out what what you said and then come up with a suitable reply and school. The reply back so that in fact the smart speaker is actually a dumb speaker there's no real smarts in the speaker itself but so those voice recordings of you giving commands on not just use for the purpose of giving your reply but they're also Stuart and analyze which is why when you get an echo unit for example it works out of the box in the past when you had voice recognition you'd have to spend half an hour literally training it and reading sort of set passages to it repeatedly until he got your your your accent and your internation way of speaking and it would be specific to you but the reason why these devices work out the books and can understand almost any accident is because of this huge amount of data these all these different voices that they've got recordings of and because computer programs and Ai programs in particular have access to huge numbers of photographs huge amounts of video footage you know numbers of voice recordings they can actually develop intelligence because with experience to an extent come intelligence so it's you know it's quite. An interesting thing but I think artificial intelligence is is the big thing of course people like the lawn mask have sort of said it's an existential threat as Professor Stephen Hawking has said we should get off the planet and run this office or viable strategy because there will probably be about 5 minutes between the point at which. Ai is actually not very good to be printing something out now it's just decided to whitewash myself I was talking I didn't like it frankly it's getting the hump this large this large printers decided to think it's cleaning its jets as it were it's a euphemism for something else I'm sure but. The point was downing noisy printer. So. There is a point at which they're going to get really useful be able to solve almost all of our problems you know things like climate change and so forth will be nothing to their intellect but they're that 5 minutes when they become really useful before they decide that we're surplus to requirements and therein lies there in lies a problem because there are serious scientists at mit and other places whose whose whole life's work now is to try and work out what instructions could we give an ai program today that would ripple through to the future generations of Ai which will be self replicating that would keep us safe Yes So we've we've you know in science fiction we've got Asimov's laws haven't we the Laws of Robotics you know that we should never never harm a human or by your reaction loud human to be on that sort of thing that actually doesn't really work it doesn't even work with the 1st generation and the idea is we already used computer technology to design the next generation of computer chips. So when you see that because even if you look at an Intel chip just the same chip as you find in your laptop it's got billions of transistors on it I mean a human being can even draw a 1000000000 transistors in their lifetime much less you know design a chip using them so we have to use computers to design the each next generation and each next generation is faster and smarter than the one before and therefore the amount of the design work that it can take on itself increases and the it doesn't take a you know a huge leap of imagination to imagine that at some point the processor will be able to design its own progeny so not only will it reproduce by most standards it will be a form of reproduction but it will each generation will be smarter than the last son like humans where we are you know even in the short term evolution stand still I'm so sorry I'm going to. You know. It's really doesn't like the district was present as I'm sort of passed down that is and. While you're at it well you're attacking your printer or your to your or your printer is attacking a human I was going to hear you reason with the salmon over in the tennis big things happening again ironic is the most ridiculous game of tennis I've just witnessed it lasted 20 minutes on the serve of Nicholas bass nationally we had 14 juices 8 break point opportunities for colored men and eventually he took it he sort of fell over the line over 2 and a half hours they heat is insane on this court is exactly what they don't need but the good news is if there is such a thing as a time lucky for card when he breaks a 7 past life really he does trail the bridge by 2 sets 200 now lead to the break to love in the 4th excellent it's going to the 1st one who doesn't think that's going to win that one let's go to the phones David in Stoke on Trent a very good morning to you how are you 5 right what's the point 00. Problem. Computer chip with. The one. Source secure. If I use my credit card or my debit card. So obviously. I cannot be. Yeah In principle yes anything can be had because it is talking about the information that flows through the process and everything flows through the process through one point or another and also it flows through the process at certain points in an encrypted That's a site unscrambled state so even if it's stored in. That scramble state is it's the coded before it's process so processes can't process gobbledygook they have to unscramble it and in that state it's vulnerable So yes anything that you or your computers processor. And indeed your computer sees or stores or or process is potentially hackable because what they do is they they they feed the processor instructions that cause the processor to preemptively make certain bits of information available because it thinks it's the next thing it's going to ask for then ask for something else causes it to ship the data and then copies that data that's been shared and that's not an easy program to write I can tell you that you get the bits but with the right programming skills and tenacity and you know this is a big prize because it affects potentially almost every computer built in the last 20 years so it's a worthwhile it's a big target and he it's worth and you know I'm sorry to say but some of the press programmers work for the bad guys because it's because that's rare remunerative particularly particularly since the advent of ransomware where you know you encrypt people's data and then ransom it back you know that that's. That started just a few short years ago yet the number of ransomware programs has grown exponentially because it's so profitable and you know you know they are well run businesses very often these criminal endeavors and they know the importance of investing so they invest their skills and money in to into these because you know. It's a problem the the out the problem that we have though is at this moment it's not been done but there's no way that we can tell whether or not this is a just about to happen when we can also not know that it hasn't been done good point we have no evidence that it has been done that's not the same as saying it hasn't been done you could argue look this fundable it's been there for 20 years well the odds that met once were tweeted before why have why have 3 groups tweaked it all at once I mean sometimes that does happen you know sometimes it's just something is ripe to be discovered it's you know like d.n.a. Or Noyon or whatever gets discovered in more than 11 location at the same time but it's equally possible I posit actually has been done but you know if you're using a tool like that it's like it's like when we broke the Enigma code in the war we couldn't let people know that would broken the enemy know that we'd broken it so sometimes we had let's you know ships be attacked as if we didn't know they were going to be attacked so if it's being used judiciously you wouldn't necessarily know the paranoias that come out of this time of the morning useful to this sort of thing you know what can I just make an overarching comment which is don't lose any sleep over this because there's not much you can do about it and you know that saying about having the wisdom to change will change what you can change and accept what you can't and I would not have the wisdom you know to tell the difference in this is kind of like that this is one of the things that you can mitigate You should apply the patches you made when you buy your next computer to use your props as a carefully but ultimately it's going to be a vulnerability is going to be with us for a while but. It's different because it's going to be the permanently the vulnerability but still we already live in a world where every week there's a different one the beauty Anyways just it's just a different thread each several This one is more dangerous because you know. It gives time for people to to you know develop ways around even the mitigating software so it is a problem but it's not something I would personally do sleep over everyone is in the same boat I'm way too quantum computers are inventive if you think you've got problems now David thanks for that I want to cross to Jack Now this is a slightly different question but it's also the same one in basically Big Brother. But sometimes big brother works in our favors Jack you funny some suspects what about the suspects I remember I turned excellent Yeah right well your point yeah I wanted to ask a favor see how that says the hell I want to ask you. I got a new mobile phone knocks he wakes up and just playing around with saying I said saying thanks you things are just playing around and then all my contacts are trying to ask how my information was transferred from my old phone to the new sound because all my contacts appeared at paid on it yeah I didn't see it I didn't see any think specific saying you want to transfer your contacts or if you do this on this our own your contacts are going to come over to the new phone and I was just sort of. Q You know I'm surprised about and I'm curious how my information was you know I think going around the internet and smart one science and the other phone or whatever yeah yeah I mean one of them into it's very good question a shrewd observation on your part with some people don't support that the most common way in which that happens is that your phone depends on the make model but often they get backed up into what's called the cloud the Internet. The benefits of it as you go back up which is you know physically in a different place so God forbid if your phone was stolen or there was a fire and you know you had a local backup that would go with it storing the stuff up in the cloud has that benefit that you've got you know read reasonably secure independent backup and it also has this ability this benefit of allowing you to then change phones and set up the new phone very quickly so my guess is it's probably being backed up to the cloud my concern is that if that is the case that you didn't know that was happening which phone have you got it's an Android where they search it's just a cheap smart as it's called Our could tell you know takes if I can Android I checked online and some people suggest it because it's an android and it's good to go and if I've signed into my cim our account on the far as that might damage could that was an excuse so it depends how you backed up the phone so have you connected this this phone to your p.c. Or laptop now this is this is all just fall wife I mean to say on my old phone I you know I've never selected I've never selected any option that I know of to Bangkok followed I mean I know that you know in options on some of these appliqué apps you know there are things about should you want to share contacts or single dates Aaron think but I've never sort of looked inside on the radio understood what that was about these are these Can I just ask you Jack if you don't mind are these contacts that are in the Android phone contacts software always assume you know the 3rd party app. No I mean just you know the you know in a filing you just you know it's something that your telephone contact suggest it's a sponsor I can see it's happening one of 2 ways either. I'm being honest to yourself you managed to back up the contents of your original phone into the into the cloud onto the internet and come back down the other possibility is that it's been copied from directly from your phone that you've had both of them switched on and connected by the wife I and one has once had the smarts to copy across from the other with a with a similar phones. Not really want one of the old one was a Samsung phone about probably 4 or 5 years ago you know then you want and out it's cool now gets out the telephone Yeah and so I mean I mean I don't know I mean I just assumed gone through the g. Mail account I mean. These apps just say no in some of these applications this thing called Sync and I think that's think why in time I think actually what I see now is a sion you know it means to to make to 2 to bring 2 copies of things into synchronization so they hold the same data yeah you can sync databases or your content this is a database Yeah so I think either at Apple level or pricing system level these things have been synchronized does mean you've got a backup somewhere you've got to maybe look a bit more into where where that might be if you don't want it to be the case but it's quite common and it's quite common by the way for apps to make copies of contact lists and so forth I found this. With I have a. Device you know these sort of yeah trackers that track your walking and. Physical metrics and the device itself is almost useless without downloading the apple into your smart device or smartphone and when I did something that most people don't do I really you know it's. Terms and Conditions in the privacy. Yeah well and I found that actually the 1st thing that does when you install the app is it makes a copy of your contact list and takes Yeah and uses that as a sort of community marketing because of the event context of the Fitbit uses that it knows about. Uses and tries to build community but it's quite intrusive in these amazing Yeah that's an app level it's amazing what they cope with but they don't need to for the purpose of their working say I'm going to jump in there because we want to nip back to Australia as you do g.g. Some an. Interesting times make a looks like we're going the distance 2 hours and $43.00 on the much clock in Colorado and it is a double break up of the 4th set against Nicklaus really a play he trails by 2 sets to and they have that 20 minute epic game they've got 55 unforced errors at peace I mean it's ridiculous in many ways this contest and full of momentum shifts but if you bear with me for just a 2nd we have to set points for the British number 2 kind of and 49 in the world in terms of his career twice on 2 occasions he has completed 5 set victories in a Grand Slam one of those years earlier this week and he has one set point remaining You have a feeling that nationally will almost hand the service they can start afresh in the 5th set. Serves into the net 15 double faults from the Jordan to one from column and it's a 2nd 7 now 3040 love 5 the 2nd short is a big but can't drop just as the base on its back squat shot like from Kyle Atman but this will continue I have a feeling Bast actually just would like his game set to be over because he is a double break down he is love 5 down he's not going to fight back from this position it is now all about playing that 5th set is Atman just chops that ball back cross-court into that from Bass nationally and a 3rd set point opportunity it will come down to survival of the fan. Just in these temperatures nearly 3 hours and over 40 degree heat breakpoint set point. In faces a 2nd survey just the baseball cap gets back into position past life fairly probably hoping this comes to an end sooner rather than later reaches up and serves not as it is double fault number 17 for the Georgia is a little fist pump some good lot of energy left and kind of bent and Nick we are going the distance 6 Love car London in the 4th it will come down to who can survive these conditions as we go the distance in Melbourne wonderful thanks very much indeed and if you win it's probably right so we're back with. Jack they're very interesting I've just had a a tweet from our to Katie he says can you help regarding family devices all on I.O.'s this time under the same i Tunes account ding ding ding but constantly getting each other's messages is there a better way to set things up. Yes I mean if you call a later version of the I o. S. Operating system it is possible to to for a device to share multiple sort of links family accounts and you can do that you're getting enough if you're giving each other's messages it's not it's not correctly set up because you should be able to do that so it sits there also they're all quite separate so. Look at look at family accounts and how they dealt with them but it's assumes you are using a later version of our us think you came in with I think I was 10 when around 11 so the look look for those features but yeah it is a it is a problem I mean before that you had the ability for example to. You know set up accounts so that children couldn't access certain apps and so forth and certain data but it didn't become truly separate them to later version of virus should be possible not quite sure how you've managed to get it you know sharing messages but it does suggest that it's not correctly set up and is not truly independent. Do anything on that account thinking that it's because other things are probably accessible point as well lovely see will be back with you for another 30 minutes and we're going to rattle through we have so many messages we're going to rattle through an awful lot of those in the next 30 minutes that's coming up before 4 o'clock so get in touch with any tech nightmares you need sorting out we can sort out pretty much anything. I was a bit of a brave promise wasn't it and after half past 3 we'll catch up on events in question time tonight and how our extra time has responded to the show and an awful lot more you're listening to 5 long. March this. 5. And it's 3 o'clock and 5 live on the dollars This is a full night the main news on 5 Live a couple have denied abusing their 13 children in California and in sport admin fights back in the Melbourne hate. This is b.b.c. 5 with b.b.c. 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