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Yes C.B.C. 5. It's 2 o'clock the news comes from Charlotte and probably the main news on 5 lined up apologies from Mom just as Family Service of the delayed response to the reopening but in sport significant sanctions to come for Australia is ball tampering for us is B.B.C. 5 Live. Band of Manchester's Fire Service has apologized for the deny in responding to them and just yesterday at bombing and independent review found 5 fighters weren't allowed in the 2 hours because of a breakdown in communication and confusion of what was it happened Chris Phillips is a former head of the national counter-terrorism security office oh and so it's always it right then you can look at sort of this just it's all about the lessons of the next song I think the community does need to bear in mind that actually they are going to get a slightly different service place overnight and I'm in a terrorist attack and I would be another incident the North Korean leader Kim Jong un has held talks in Beijing with China's president Xi Jinping they've been speculation that Mr Kim was on his 1st foreign trip in 70 is it comes ahead of plan talks between the United States and North Korea over its nuclear ballistic missile program. Turris amazes she wants a long term funding plan for the N.H.S. 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When I don't want there to be this massive conflict between our 2 countries for all these to get worse and for it to happen because of my family Belgium is the latest country to join the mass expulsion of Russian diplomats $26.00 countries are now taking action against Moscow. A 21 year old man has been jailed for at least 20 years for deliberately running over a Muslim Somali woman in less than Crown Court was told a poll more laughed as he knocked down his sane and then drove over her she suffered life changing injuries 10 people have been taken to hospital after inhaling chemicals released from a fish tank at a house in Oxford the potentially toxic fumes were emitted from coal being cleaned around 50 members of emergency service staff were sent to the scene. And a man from Newcastle upon Tyne thinks he's found the U.K.'s all this chocolate Easter egg and still wrapped in his original hand painted box with a ribbon around it and can't impose it and auction 6 string the old out of the friend that's another to do he's have a look at it as well and in that he's a conservative and you know it certainly is well before the 1900. S. The C.E.O. Of Cricket Australia James Sutherland has confirmed that Captain Steve Smith vice captain David Warner and batsman Cameron Bancroft have been sent home from the tour of South Africa after the controversy over ball tampering he said any punishment for the players would be significant that's expected to be announced in the next 24 hours he also confirmed Darren Lehmann would continue in his position as head coach as he had no knowledge of the plot to alter the ball away from the ball tampering scandal to Wembley where Italy scored a light penalty awarded by V.A.R. 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Thanks today a chance to send the intervals snow showers in the Scottish mountains later in the day Sunday was full day this is the opportunity for them to make their name for themselves actually just like. The score 15 goals in his 36 appearances so he has an international pedigree. Slight. Cost to see the latest nice piece and analysis to. Take anyone there. Is now you see. On AM and F.M. Around the U.K. On digital and online I'm Roger Sharpe were. Thousands saw March that weekend calling for refugees from the detention center at Manas asylum north of Papua New Guinea to be allowed to come to Australia but government currently bars them from coming and although President Obama agreed to take 1700 refugees from on a Cylon to the United States so far fewer than 100 have actually been sent to the US under the resettlement deal agreed by Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull at present . 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Well we're off to Sydney and I know where Phil Marcia joins us from a country which is collectively holding its head in its hands I expect Hoeffel yes morning to write I think many Australians will be scratching their heads Jane Sutherland's comments in the last few hours he is the head of Cricket Australia the governing body addressing the ball tampering scandal in Cape Town the upshot of his visit to South Africa is that the former skipper Steve Smith his former deputy David Warner and Cameron Bancroft the Australian player who was caught on those T.V. Pictures trying to tamper with the ball using a bit of sticky tape and apparently they will be heading home they've been sent back from that tour of South Africa coach Darren Lehmann has not resigned and he will be staying on I think the feeling here in Australia Roddy's What on earth is going on over there and when you look at Twitter for example and see former players saying well look this calm be the full story I think many Australians would agree with that and they will be wondering exactly what is going on given that Jane Sutherland's trip to South Africa was supposed to have been a cleansing exercise to get to the bottom of this scandal and to help Australian cricket move on. More questions still remain I think in this in this issues interesting So would you would you say most salient still expect more more heads to fall. Well we don't know the punishments to be meted out to Smith Warner and Bancroft no doubt that they will pay a heavy price for what transpired during that test in South Africa but as former players have been saying here in Australia rod is it possible that just 3 players knew we're not casting aspersions necessarily on other members of the Australian team but were they the only 3 people involved in this conspiracy at the moment Cricket Australia is indicating that that is the case but there is a feeling here that the full story hasn't been told but certainly in the next 24 hours 48 hours we do expect to learn what sort of punishment Steve Smith Dave Warner and Cameron Bancroft will receive interesting to note that I was listening to Jim Maxwell the A.B.C. RADIO COMMENTATOR coming into the city in the car this morning and he believes that David Warner quite possibly has played his last game in Australian colors perhaps that will give us an indication as to what will happen in terms of further sanctions later on in the next few days well I know that for the next 20 minutes or so we're going to talk about trillion use of the English language which is colorful at different times lots of for Cabaret that we can all Aaron very good guide Yes well we're not aware at the moment when I'm certainly not aware of any Australian slang football tampering or cheating on in the next 15 minutes or so will be looking into the way Australians talk the words they use the slang that they're so very fond of the rage Grundy's the horn bags and the tracking down acts and to guide us through this we're joined by Howard man's Howard is a lecturer in linguistics at Monash University in Victoria welcome to the program Howard thanks very much for joining us my pleasure. You've written extensively spoken extensively about the origins of Australian English and slang in particular how fond of slang are Australians and largely where did it come from . String of the very spawned of the slang because it it actually underlies a lot of the extra you know identity especially an identity which for a few 100 years has actually been a bit give and take on the one hand assurance have been quite proud of the language they use in these words that they use but on the other hand experience has been very comfortable about the way that they speak and this is something that came from the arrival of the 1st settlers as soon as the 1st settlers arrived here in Australia already you had the stories that are written about why these strikes and where speaking the way that they were and and why it sounded so from the perspective of the new arrivals wretched and some of the stories were that strike and refused to open their mouths because they didn't want flies to get into their mouths some of these stories where they destroy in this had horrible dental hygiene and that their teeth were falling out. And that this caused the way they were speaking but realistically the Australian anguish that gets used in a lot of the Australian slang here has its origins in the south east of England specifically the kind of English that was spoken in the south east of England around the time to destroy us 1st settled because you had people from all over the U.K. And also Ireland arriving in Australia but really among the children they began formulating this new strategy and way of speaking and this new strike in a way of speaking the most prestigious way of speaking was from the London area now you see this quite a bit in the in the accent as I said the accent that began to emerge as art. PLE the kind of English that was spoken in the southeast of England but also in the words you can follow the trajectory of a lot of the slang that's arisen in extra in English and track it back to track it back to the old Cockney rhyming slang and also the language of some of the less desirable types you might say of London at the time just to pick up on one example that we might use for this industry we have a variety of ways to say bathing costume store swimsuits and where I'm at here in Victoria we call them bathers but up in Queensland they call them tall guys now top you can trace back through history all the way to the word toga and toke of all among the gangsters in London 150 or so years ago into the word for a particular kind of jacket that they wore called top. And the tall give all to over time into general clothing and by the time Iraq tyrannous try it evolved again into his swimsuit meaning and he has a way saying hello to modify the way the saw that outburst was from from Rod here and no one not either had to say hi. I tell ya the failure company uses so is so intriguing isn't it do you do you see is jail as prison having more of that kind of language than than in fact London does now you know given the prevalence of ASH today English in in the size East. Yeah and in fact you do when you see you see the astray and preserving quite a few of the words over over time and quite a few of these Cockney rhyming terms. I'd like for instance I'm not sure how much Seppo still gets used if at all in London do you know this term I'm sinking about I say it's nothing to do with the septic tank as it is but it's rhyming slang for yanks my people actually. This this is one of those this is one of those Cockney rhyming slang terms that would have been used way back when but but the strengths themselves have firstly I mean they maintain this septic tank which was cockney rhyming slang for Yank but they also added this oh shortening that that we do often hear in a strike because that's beyond just the words that we use here in Australia the shortenings are one of those really really salient features of the striking ways of speaking so you know we don't call our Yanks septic tanks we call them cept O's in the same way that we don't call our firefighters firemen or firefighters who we call them fire east and the people who come to fix your electricity aren't electricians they're Sparky's and these kinds of shortening. I wonder if is there any Scottish influence here because in Scotland the postman is the post for example and I think that little the ending is is also very Scottish. It's something that actually happens in a lot of languages it's it's you're right absolutely and this is this is one of those one of those areas where we say that to strike in English has been influenced by British English and it certainly has but there were a number of other smaller groups within this including a number of northerners and Scots but also a number of Irish and they brought they brought elements of their language and this includes the shortenings Now I had begun to say with the shortening that there's something that happened in a lot of languages and it's actually something called hyper charisma stick which is a Greek word which means childlike speak and that's not related to you know cast and negative light on it but it's actually a form of intimacy that we use not only in English but in another not in a number of other languages to increase intimacy with people so you know it it increases this sense of closeness and in particular here in Australia. Where people are spread quite far from from one another you know Perth is a very long way from Adelaide and Sydney they used to have these terms arguably actually helps us to feel quite close to to the people that we're speaking to in the media context I wonder if I could ask So when you came to Australia 1st Phil did you have to lay out a lot of words in a hottie where people refer to things that pretty much had to figure out rather fast. Not necessarily in the big cities certainly not here in Sydney it's quite unusual especially nowadays to hear people using the fading commute to get a sense that perhaps are older people using those sorts of terms but by and large I think that. The phrases that you've heard on T.V. Kasia really you do here in Australia but is how it is indicating it's the it's the abbreviation the shortening of words and putting the valves at the end that very popular and you soon pick up pick that up pretty quickly and the Australian National Dictionary Rod has some interesting phrases that I'm going to ask Howard Howard you've got not block Ridge Grundy's Ambo trade and track they particularly Australian Do you think. Yeah. Firstly with the wretched Grundy's. You know you you are you're asking earlier about. You know about about the rhyming slang and how some of this rhyming slang it actually derived from from London Cockney rhyming slang but also you know where where it was coming from we actually come up with a lot of our own rhyming slang here read to Grundy is. Entrepreneur and he's a media type and this is rhyming slang for under we've been using for a while here snob block is one that it's it's it's a bit of a funny one but people really to use it for a slice of vanilla cake. People would actually literally go in and order does not block which which I find to fit the Scots here quite charming. Yeah and these these these are words that you you occasionally hear another another one that froze people off here and it's one that you hear a little more than you do some of the other terms is arvo for afternoon. And that one tends to throw people off arvo arvo is a shortening for afternoon when I 1st arrived a friend told me that we would meet in the arvo and I was walking up and down the street looking for a café named Cairo. Do you think this will change how it's multiculturalism here in Australia now that it's the debulk has immigration these soon to be coming from countries like China and India do you get the sense that those new settlers will embrace this part of the culture as as the Brits in the Kiwis into the Europeans have over the last few years. Yeah absolutely and I think that you're going to see a 2 way street here in Australia and we already have seen a 2 way street with that with East terms because I think a lot of people tend to gravitate to the term when they when they find out what they mean for instance I was introducing to a group of recent arrivals the other day to the word shout you know for to pay for a drink and they face thought it was to use another word the bee's knees you know this this wonderful thing that they could use so they tend to grasp onto these things history in English is quite fondness so you know here we don't drink Chardonnay of course we drink Charedi and we don't drink champagne we drink champers and I think people really really the newer arrivals really dig this at the other end of the spectrum here though we're already seeing a lot of the words from these new arrivals slip into English the slip into a straight in English I should say so for instance we've had large waves of migration from Lebanon and Mediterranean Arabic speaking countries from about the 19 eighties and we're already seeing words from these languages switch slip into starting English an example of that is you will hear a story in English speakers now using yellow from Arabic meaning go quickly because you you tend to hear the Western Sydney or western western Melbourne and think the speakers are picking this up the English speakers are also picking up certain terms of endearment like Cubbie before my dear in Arabic so it's it's you know on the one hand you were mentioning not hearing a lot of these these traditional Australian isms of these extra you know sims you would associate with the you know Steve Irwin or Paul Hogan but but the story in English is. Constantly changing and we're inventing new words all the time selfie was an example of that from a few years ago this is the Oxford English Dictionary is word of the year and it's actually an Australian word and it's a recent invention and that's that's what's going to continue to happen these trends are going to keep inventing new terms and yet and with the new arrivals those terms will certainly include Arabic Hindi and a lot of these other words from other languages I have to put in a claim here for DR KARL Trizone huge case who comes on with us every day every Wednesday as well known popular scientist in Australia he keeps telling us and he claims that he actually invented the word selfie all by himself in 2003. Well it will have to compete with. There's there's actually we can trace this to a specific post on and A.B.C. Forum and I don't want to suppose whether the fellow who made this post was drinking or not but it sounded like he might have been and and yeah I hate this this guy was actually talking about having taken a selfie and to Dr Karl's credit this post did occur in 2003 and if Dr Caro can can somehow assert that he was the guy who posted this on the one hand he would have to acknowledge that maybe it had had a couple of drinks on that particular day but secondly that yes he invented it then . Well 1 May we may we may bring this up we may not we'll have to we'll have to see how it goes but on the I mean on the on the whole it's still a very rich languages and still you languish. Is it because of the Internet as much as anything else that in English is giving way to a more standardized English and of course you know people don't write in sentences anymore anyway they don't need to there are all sorts of other influences on the way language is being used. Yeah I mean to a certain degree for sure. And a distance between the English is that we speak are getting closer in part because of the the internet but the thing with the Australian way of speaking really is I think we can get too caught up in the idea of what is strange and English should be and what it's traditionally sounded like and to Phil's point earlier you don't really hear a lot of these dish no extra strain you know some say you know there's this you beaut dinky die true blue you know these these kinds of words but I don't know that destroying an English is necessarily becoming too similar to to these other varieties of English I think that we're still maintaining our different differences because we're still inventing lots of new words I mean just in the 19 eighties and nineties. You know we had this prolific blip for a proliferation sorry of new words and some of these were actually the words that fill mentioned earlier I'm not blog can horn back and read Grundy's these are actually words that have only been an issue right in English for about 20 years or so and people are still using them the other thing that's happening here in a story in English is that we're taking a lot of these older words that have been around for a while and we're just creating new things with them. An example of this is in a story we call we called just any kind of alcohol we would call a good and it used to be specifically for boxed wine which which strains invented. But we've been creating new things with it now we have the goon bagoong juice good fortune is a game in the good sac since the early 20th century we've had a word for whom it word soon which means you know you. Hooligan driver but you know we keep adding new affixes to create new forms of the sooner e the nation and soon and soon doom and many and who nation this is the way language works more generally so to a certain degree a chore strike in English is. Becoming quite similar to these other languages but on the other hand I think we're still maintaining our distinction and that that's just going to happen more generally as long as as long as there isn't a sense of a strike and identity and American identity and British identity it's these kinds of little rivalries to keep the language going and keep us inventing new new ways of speaking into words. Fashion I've just received a clear view from a listener and I don't know what he's talking about perhaps you do. He said to me why do you in say been chicken been chewed and references to and he says fetal ibises are I didn't even know that at Ibis could be fetal I said I saw an Ibis are a lot of labor to do ibises cause panic in backyards in Australia and now they hold not I've just been chooks been to. And I'm not sure I'm afraid I'm not I'm not quite sure where where the listener is going with that but yeah I'm and I'm in but it could be an issue in another part of history and in fact already. We have issues with with what you call a car because you are a magpie So you know if it's any kind of feral bird here we have issues with my dogs for sure. Well I thank you very much sort of man for for being our guest list after fell thank you and we'll be back with film Archer incident in just a couple minutes time. From digital on my smartphone and tablet this is B.B.C. 5 Live from. The news comes from Allison Hughes Good morning the government's planning to bring in a deposit scheme on drinks bottles and cans in England it's intended to cut waste and boost recycling fire chiefs have apologized for their response to the suicide bombing at the month just Arena last year an independent report found firefighters were kept away from the scene for 2 hours because of poor communication between emergency services 7 Russian diplomats are being expelled from NATO itself to 26 countries sent envoys bunked to Moscow following the Salisbury nerve agent attack and has claimed millions of British children are being put at risk because they're not being safely secured in a car by law they should be an account state until the twelth the charity break wants ministers to do move to make parents aware. As the news now with his James Gray the chief executive of Cricket Australia James Sutherland has confirmed Captain Steve Smith vice captain David Warner and Cameron Bancroft it's all fake significant sanctions following their part in the ball tampering scandal all 3 will leave the tour of South Africa today with sanctions announced within the next 24 hours civil and also insisted to the gathered meter in Johannesburg that was the only after mention trio that had prior knowledge of events and that coach Darren Lehmann was not aware of the plans A.B.C. In Test Match Special commentator Jim Maxwell thinks that the things don't look too good for the vice captain especially Warner's the one that really should with most of this and they'll be very surprised. And there that he plays for Australia again because he's clearly ostracized been ostracized by the rest of the players you can even see that in the body language on the line before they go on and so I think he's pretty close to persona non-grata from here on Tim Payne is being appointed Test captain while Matt Renshaw Glen Maxwell and Joe Burns of all being called up as replacements so the one set at the end of his press conference that it is not a good day for Australian cricket away from that ball tampering scandal to Wembley where England were denied a 2nd successive friendly victory by a light its early penalty the B.B.C. Football correspondent John Murray was watching at Wembley England were provided with more of a test by Italy than they were by the Netherlands on Friday yet it seemed they were going to record another one nil victory courtesy of a rifling goal by Jamie 40 in the 1st half following a quickly taken free kick up till then it's only had been the better team but the goal settled England more positives followed with Raheem Sterling to the fore until a late intervention of a are dead beaten James talk was penalized by video for stepping on key in the box and Lorenzo in Sinjar swept away the penalty which denied England the win Meanwhile in Budapest this evening Matt Phillips scored his 1st international goal as Scotland earned their 1st win of. McLeish his 2nd spell in charge against the war victory followed Friday's lackluster home defeat by Costa Rica Hamdam park elsewhere Germany lost for the 1st time in 23 matches as Manchester City forward Gabrial has scored the only goal to give Brazil the win in Berlin this was the 1st full meeting between the 2 nations since Germany humiliated Brazil 7 warm in the 2014 World Cup semifinal in Belo Horizonte and city Joshua is refusing to look beyond his world heavyweight title unification fight with Joseph Parker on Saturday 3 belts are on the line in Cardiff and there's already been talk of a future unification fight with a certain undefeated American don't say water doesn't dictate my career Rob does he's got me in this position from when I joined the Olympic team so I just expect big news every time we fight so I just don't let anyone dictate washing be doing what we've been known as no work in and you have to trust in our process and reference it all could return from a hip injury next week after being named in Spain's Davis Cup squad he's not played competitively since pulling out a real strain Open quarter final in January. 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Thanks already even Pearson is the Australian Directorate Human Rights Watch a very very busy time for the organization in the last week or 2 we've had the as the end summit here in Sydney this is the Association of Southeast Asian Nations there are continuing concerns about the treatment of refugees and asylum seekers in Australia as offshore processing centers and how the condition and disadvantage felt by Australia's indigenous peoples It's a very very busy time few Elaine thanks very much for coming in to start with the sea and summit we had regional leaders coming into Australia focus on one saying from Cambodia president detects a from the Philippines he didn't come but song Suchi deeds What did you make of her visit given that she was criticised by Malaysian prime minister here for the treatment of all of those Rohingya Muslims in. Europe Thanks Phil I mean this was. First visit to a western country since this recent bout of ethnic cleansing started in Rakhine state back in August of last year and so in that time 700000 people have had to flee their homes because of killings right basically the burning of villages so I think a lot of people were really interested to see if as the end in the struggling government were really going to ask some hard questions on what is going on in Rakhine state and what the government is planning to do to address those issues I think we were really underwhelmed with the responses that she gave she talked about it being a humanitarian situation a crisis she made an appeal for humanitarian assistance from other SE and leaders but you know let's face it we're not talking about natural disaster here this is something for which the state is for sponsible So I think we would have liked to see some stronger messaging particularly from Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull on on these issues these issues were covered quite broadly in the media but certainly. What's happening to the regime in Rakhine state what's happening in the Philippines with the war on drugs or all of that stuff was completely absent from the outcome document the Sydney Declaration at the end of the weekend what is the point of these summits because when you speak to analysts they say that as the UN is largely toothless because the members is so keen to promote their own national interest that there is no unity and Malaysia's criticism of some Suchi was quite rare because generally people don't speak out against others what's the point of having these summits if all it is is sort of nice colored shirts and one shakes Well exactly I mean I think that's a very good question and I think we've seen with a lot of us in summits in the past they've completely washed very serious human rights issues that are affecting the region but I think with this one here in Australia it's quite rare for ASEAN hits of state to come outside of S.C.M. So this is the 1st time that they've come to Australia for this meeting and the focus was very much on close of business ties and close the security ties and this is really I think in the wake of what's been basically been happening with ISIS in the Philippines that there was a desire to have a counterterrorism summit and sort of look at ways that as in countries could share information better build the capacity of certain ASEAN countries to to counter terrorism now that's all very well and good but I think given that it's happening here in Australia and given the serious human rights situations in a number of ASEAN countries it would be you know it would be a huge mistake just to completely gloss over those issues and while we saw you know a lot of there were protests happening by the Cambodian community by their huge a community the Vietnamese we didn't see a lot of discussion of human rights they barely mentioned actually in the final statement out of that summit what has happened to Armstrong Suchi a Nobel Peace Prize winner under house arrest for so many years by the military rulers in Burma in me in March her position now is has changed so dramatically What on earth has happened that. Yeah look I mean she's been a complete disappointment I think to many of us in the human rights community I think she battled for so long she was very isolated for many years in house arrest in me and and then finally she got into power and I think people were saying well maybe when you know she has some power when she's you know the leader of the country she will take steps to address these issues but the reality is now she's empowered and it's not only that she's ignoring the human rights abuses that are happening you know under her watch it's that her office is actually being also involved in propagating some of the misinformation about these abuses So for instance her office put out statements saying you know referring to the allegations of rape of the hinge as fake right so this is really problematic and I think you know ultimately Suchi when she was last in Sydney she said when she was questioned about this I'm a politician I'm not a human rights activists and you know essentially I think she's playing this political game she's made some kind of a deal with the Burmese military and you know I think it suits them very well she trots out to all these international summits she's the person who's copping the flak while the military can go on as they have for decades in these campaigns you know of really terror and killings and right. Elaine home with Rod here and I wonder if we could talk a little bit about. A pilot been hovering with the Home Affairs Minister where what's what's he done to offend the Human Rights Watch. Sure so I mean this is been getting quite a lot of attention in Australia recently the home affairs minister recently said that he was very concerned about the stories of killings and atrocities against want South African farmers and he said that he will create a process to foster track humanitarian visas for this group he mentioned that they make very good migrants to Australia they integrate well and that they should be able to come to a civilised country like Australia now we found that deeply hypocritical given that Australia has such had such a hardline draconian policy against asylum seekers fleeing persecution much worse persecution in places like Burma or in places like Iraq and Syria and you know basically sending people who come by boat to offshore detention camps in Manison ever so certainly you know we think we would love a strongly as humanitarian visa program to be opened up to people fleeing persecution but we would like the Home Affairs minute to mean a sister salt looking a bit closer to home people who who we really have a responsibility to. White South Africans come to you and quite a good number of regular migrants so anyway. Well they do I mean we have a skilled migrant program and many South Africans have come over the years and it's true I think they have made you know good good migrants that settled well here I mean I think the issue with with this is that you know it's not like they really fleeing persecution We're not denying that there have been some horrific stories of horrible things that have happened to watch South African farmers but I don't think there's any evidence to say that black farmers living in South Africa are doing any better I mean the crime rates they're horrendous and I think white and black people are targets and many of the farmers that are really want to leave and you know they certainly could move to urban centers within South Africa and be afforded more protection so it's not quite the same situation as someone fleeing Syria or Iraq or the ranges indeed fleeing from Burma or indeed do you suspect some attempt at a federal or something trying just trying to get the numbers are up of white South Africans coming into this trail you is that where you're going with with this criticism. Well I mean I think this has been a very deliberate strategy by Peter Dutton I mean I don't think he's made a mistake in going down this path I'm not exactly sure why people have made certain comments that there are growing white South Africans in his own electorate I'm not sure perhaps that is the case perhaps you know it is in his self interest I certainly think that amongst this community he feels that he has a certain level of support for these policies that are extremely hard line against you know a number of other immigrants and so you know perhaps he does feel that you know by embracing this group he will gain more political support among certain communities in Australia and certainly we've seen 7 back benches I think just yesterday and this week in the parliament expressing support and wanting to know more about Peter Dutton proposals and expressing support for opening up the humanitarian visa program to to this group Phil looking also directly and learning about the cricketing scandal that has dominated the news here and continues to do so but in the Sydney Morning Herald in the last day or so there was an article from one of the very well respected columnists suggesting that this cricket scandal was symptomatic of a broader measure lays in Australian society that Australia isn't as decent or as a gala teria not the home of the fair go now as it once was so once maybe people 40 it was back in the past to do you see similarities between the reaction to the ball tampering in perhaps the fact that Australia isn't is as kind a price is it likes to project to the rest of the world. Well yes I mean I think that's interesting I mean I've actually been struck by the amount of outrage and about you know all of these issues around fantasizing around cheating with the sports scandal and how that also it hasn't applied somehow when it you know when people are thinking about migrants who are coming from other countries and you know a strain a lot of Australians unfortunately seem to be perfectly OK with these people being treated horribly by a government locked up in these camps and menace and they were so I think you know we would like to see some of that outrage channeled in other ways in Australia but it hasn't happened and I think you know part of it is also you know the site via for some Australians I think the government is really tapped into this idea that people who come by boat you know somehow cheating the system gaming the system and Australian search really like that like they really want everything to be about fairness and transparency but the reality is for a lot of those people they don't have any choice and I think that's never really been properly explained to to a straight wins and you know we are isolated here where a country surrounded by water so you know our situation is very different than if we were surrounded by countries that you know where people are fleeing war and where people actually have to seek sanctuary where are we with a silent mess the moment towards what's the latest storm to. So men asylums I mean the men who were detained on manis there's about 7 to 800 of them left so about 200 from Manison or have gone to the United States the men there have been there since July 2013 so coming up 5 years now they've moved out of the main detention center which was located on a naval base but they simply been relocated to other accommodation in and around the town center the conditions there are still very harsh we continue to receive regular reports of. Just some really awful cases actually that have transpired in in recent days of children who are self harming on now Ruth and you know I think for a lot of people they're really given up hope of any future because you know the U.S. While they're taking some people they've also been very clear that you know they're not going to be able to take everyone who's on menace in the room but then they come out with credit a large number of It wasn't a figure of 1700 agreed when President Obama was there. There was a figure I think the figure that was discussed in the late report was 1250 So there are about I mean there are actually now about 7700 people left obviously the U.S. Is only going to take those who've been found to be refugees there are a small number it's certainly the minority I think it's around 20 to 30 percent who have not been found to be refugees now with menace Island a number of people have not been found to be refugees because they completely withdrew from the process and a number of people did that after the incident where there was violence in in the in the camp itself someone was actually murdered and they said look we don't want to be a part of this process we don't trust it because it's being run by the P. And G. Government who can't protect our security so we do know that those people will be left behind and there may be other people with you know people coming from countries like Iran Afghanistan Sudan where the U.S. Has expressed the need to do some extensive vetting it does seem like the applications from those countries have really slowed down. And the U.S. Under President Trump has explicitly changed its policy on those particular agreement no not explicitly I mean Trump has made a lot of bluster about the agreement saying what a dumb deal it was for a temple and a bomber to enter into this arrangement however you know since Trump's been in power in bits and bobs people you know groups have been going 2030 at a time to the United States perhaps they haven't been going on mass So as you know to avoid a strong reaction from the U.S. Government but as I said the people who come from these countries who were targeted by Trump in that action to require extensive betting so I think it was Iran Somalia Sudan and a number of other countries lately those people have not been prioritized to to go to the United States from menace on a route. But it still leaves I mean it leaves people in a no win situation where where does the Australian Government expect them to go well this is it and I mean this other options on the table New Zealand has repeatedly made this offer out that it will take 150 people now it's made that office since back in 2013 if that offer had been a Sept it we'd be looking at a much smaller cohort already on Manison area and look I was there in September of last year on menace island and for me the most difficult thing was meeting these men who have really lost all hope you know I had previously been up there 2 years ago and I think of all the things that I'd done in 2 years countries obviously did weddings I'd gone to and you know all of the stuff that happens in your life and for these men they've just remained in exactly the same situation you know they their children are growing up in their home countries they feeling you know very remote and removed from what is happening around the world they're eager to work to get jobs to earn an income and they can't they just stuck on this you know very remote small island where they're also exposed you know unfortunately to increasing levels of violence by the local population for a lot of say Ron I think one of the pleasures of living in Australia is delving into Indigenous history where you when you travel around the country you use soak up the the view of the earth of Australia as original people they see the mother is as the creator as the Earth is a living breathing mass and when you consider all the influences on modern Australia that come from indigenous people it is profound yet these communities are the most disadvantaged in the country they suffer high rates of imprisonment unemployment's and early death. You know when you look at Indigenous disadvantage who is to blame here is it broader society is it the government all is it those communities themselves who want doing enough to lift themselves out of those problems I mean look I think it's a mixture of factors but I think government policy over the years has you know a lot to answer for in how these people have been treated you know initially it was still with us the welfare issue there was a lot of money that was being handed out but you know in reality the way in which you know. That money was being dispersed to the population it wasn't providing for the real needs of people who are living in remote communities we recently completed a report looking at the situation of prisons with disability of which the majority are ep original and I have to say like going into prisons in W.A. And meeting these Aboriginal women sometimes with mental health issues with cognitive impairments you can just see how this is real cycle of violence and disadvantage from them from the outset you know one woman told me how she you know started having sex at a very young age that she got into alcohol she got into drugs she got into prostitution and then she got into bad relationships and then as a result of that you know got into a life of crime so when she came to prison prison was almost like a response for a woman like that but the reality is when she gets out of prison she goes exactly back into that same environment so I think you know much more needs to be done in terms of connecting the services for people you know Aboriginal people away over incarcerated compared to the white Australian population and connecting the right kinds of services to people who are in prison with services on the outside Otherwise it's just going to always be this revolving door of people with disadvantage ending up you know filling up the street in jail cells so this ingrained sense of entitlement here that money that you mentioned before Elaine the the welfare dependency that is so widespread in some of these communities. How on earth do you do when people off all of those services that really they call it sit down money don't mean in certain communities how do you get into stand up on their own 2 feet and do things for themselves like everybody else does yeah I mean look it's really difficult and I think a big part of it is about education it's about starting with the younger generation and I think a big problem in these communities is that they haven't had the same opportunities for for education as other Australians and I know there's some really great work that's being done in providing Aboriginal people scholarships in different schools and you know I think that's what we need to think about these problems are massive problems they're not going to be fixed you know indeed in this generation it's going to take some time but I think starting with the next generation giving them that leg up will be really important so that they can have more autonomy and more say in the future about the policies that are affecting them you've got. The deep deep problems that you all do and I mean accusingly we you know feel well will talk to me about it we'll talk about you know drinking problems up north and and so on and incarceration rates and police treatment of indigenous people. Do you have any do you have any reason to believe the sort of the general mood is improving I mean after after decades of attempt to reform. Well look I mean I think there was a really good opportunity with the Larue statement of the heart I mean this was a real opportunity to hear from Aboriginal leaders about you know what the problems are what's the way forward and an opportunity to give them a political voice and I think it was really disappointing that after all of that effort that went into that statement in that into getting all of these groups together that ultimately it was just dismissed by the government who said you know we're not interested in that we already have Aboriginal people in the parliament but those people Aboriginal people in the parliament they haven't been elected just because they're operational they've been elected because they you know send up members of the community who are M.P.'s and so I think you know if this is what. You know our operational people want and if they want you know a mention in the Constitution we should absolutely be supporting that that you know given the very date Doc history of what has happened to the Aboriginal people in this land in the way that they have been dispossessed many generations it's really important not only just to listen to what they have to say but also to act on it. And I'm I'm sorry to you know not know about the statement of the heart but that goes beyond the apology that goes beyond the official apology to you know the Aboriginal people for you know mistreatment over many many years yeah so I mean the the the apology for the Stolen Generations the Stolen Generations was you know basically these generations who are producing kids or kids who within removed from their Aboriginal families to to stay with want families and this was something that happened you know many years ago in the belief the mistaken belief that it would somehow be you know better for them to be living that way so we actually had the 10th anniversary of that apology just last month in Australia in the parliament but this all restatement of the heart I mean this was a new initiative was last year just last year. And you know there was a lot of fanfare about it you know the prime minister the opposition leader you know many groups went out to meet with Aboriginal communities to talk through these problems and that was the statement that that resulted. You know unfortunately we're just not seeing you know much progress and I mean every year the Prime Minister releases you know basically how we're doing against various outcomes I think is you know Australia's doing quite well in terms of the outcomes on literacy and education for Aboriginal people but not so well on incarceration rates for Aboriginal people I'm thanking you for being I guess the lay person as a show you a director of Human Rights Watch. So much to be thank you very very much Bill Maher sir as always many thanks we'll talk to you soon thanks very. Much. 5.

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