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This scrimmage with Chris Cuomo and Rob bobsleigh on b.b.c. Radio No 5. So welcome to the. Right you know. Worrying defeat on the right I'm not the canary So the 1st the show will be 2nd off as well as we hear from the head coach. Will be speaking about the much maligned zonal marking system Stay tuned for that we also get a goalkeeper's tike how best to defend set pieces plus the great dog is with us trying to restore some pride to the Canaries ranks after that tough defeat last night joining me as always a man I spent hours in the car with in the last day and we're still talking we're still friends Chris corms there on the lawn how like Chris Yeah you just know how many I was over the last 3 seasons as well let's. See how you feel after that I know you've been to kind of this off the name for you and other me to. The saw you they'll be more on that and yet a fraud but it was a disappointing noise last night it was an. Interesting you know I think you know which of lost games before this. That defeats you've been able to find some mitigating circumstances you know injury problems clearly although lot's been said about it but clearly that isn't this 1st part of the so you said but last night the 1st already says that everybody back and you felt really up for the game and felt like a real opportunity I got less for points against I would say that also to perform like that in the 1st half just so disappointing at all Chris said Christophe Zimmerman said it will respect the game as well so you know. Nobody stressing out there was pretending it's anything that it was that the set pieces the spending of course you know that's something they need to improve on but you know teams have always conceded goals was a basis for me the biggest concern was just how different the average performance was when you compare it to what they produced against Everton and against Arsenal that they just didn't do themselves justice last night and Daniel Faulkner is not a man tends to reach for substitutes very early in the game so to see him make a double change after I think that said it all really in terms of how disappointed he was with the way is team went about that 1st 45 minutes you know we spent as we mentioned earlier spent 4 hours in the car talking about it and what will will sort reenact some of these conversation of add but the you know the anomaly phonology is like you said the injuries of a clearing all cleared you know you cause him buy back he's a big plus for knowledge but to go from that brilliant performance and let's not rush now it was a brilliant performance against Aston we walked away thinking you know we should've won that game we were the better side you know there was a brilliant forms to then for that whistle to blow Southampton for Norreys to just not turn up an or yes 2nd off was a lot better Alex Teti came in and did a really good job and improved knowledge and we certainly could have stolen a draw there last night which would have been a little bit harsh on Saturday but did enough perhaps in the 2nd half but for nor'easters not to be there right on the whistle is that an issue in the dressing room is an issue with the players you the head coach you should be looking at where do we point the finger I think it's so difficult to know I mean don't you fuckers said that they the players you know that they didn't do really what he does that he wanted them to play the way they play for the last couple of seasons and it was a think really cross that they went for the direct approach and looking like also. Thoughts of early on in the game but I think it comes down to something that footballers and let me just say quite often these days it's always worth bearing in mind it's about not getting too carried away with all that's in place well and also having a bit of perspective when they don't play well because that was the same set of players that did so well again. Starts we built them up after that because they deserved it. But no he went down again 3 days later doesn't feel pretty comfortable does it they know they know they weren't good enough last night what is interesting now I think going forward is that probably for the 1st time this season you know the entry crisis is east to an extent where Daniel Clarke It does have so many options now you've got players like Mario French it used barely had a kick in the Premier League this season but more it's like I was at the squad last night you look at the strength of the bench last night Tessie statement Jamal Lewis you know key players from the last couple of years who would know that starting 11 last night and that's the one thing I'll say going forward is that if then your pocket does want to shake shake it up a bit if he does want to make changes he now does have options and that means that players who were the same last night they must know they can't afford too many more performances when they're off the pace because you know there are players who can come in and take the shirts but it's not really a lesson it's just a reminder for me that for a team like Nori city to compete in the Premier League you've got to be on it every single match any in any game where they don't justice any game but they drop below the standards we know they're capable of and you don't get away with it even against a team like Southampton who I don't think were particularly impressive last night but they did enough to beat the No a city side that I'm afraid just didn't do itself justice in that 1st half and you touched on you know my last nerve in memory of Ranchi let's be honest Marion branch which was a bit of a hero for knowledge Last season you know we all remember the the goalie in Sheffield Wednesday only other important things he did to get Norry job he's back East 5th he's been back a while now he's not really get a run and also Morris liner as well you know he's evidently out of favor and press a player the last night in a game like that when he needs to a bit more care of the ball and start you know or I yeah we're letting them press us but we need to be do what we do and not Daniel funk Royce's that we need to be careful with what we need to pass around Morrison is ideal for that is any Yeah like I thought would have been the ideal player in that team last night. Would have gone some way towards solving the problems that you fuckers I liked that his side would not take you know care of the ball the problem we had last night was that actually look at the midfielders who played in the games against Edwards at a loss. To tribal MacLean at a cost he played against against what didn't and came out last night those 3 players that all don't rave reviews so to leave them out for the start last night I think would have raised eyebrows and probably would have sent the wrong messages to those players because they all deserve to go in that seat so I think with the benefit of hindsight yes you could say actually we could've done with it with a wrench or luck there out there but nobody was was was calling for that at half past 6 last night when the team selection came in I think. That's what I said a moment ago that there are no options we mentioned a couple of them there in a market statement let me point the key players last season who did not like starting 11 last night so you know those players last night if they're not now in the same against Sheffield United on Sunday they won't really be able to complain because then you talk you can mix it up if he wants to he's a loyal manager he might say look you know that's good that you're up against also on average so I'm going to trust you to do it again but there's certainly some some interesting selections to be made over the next 2 or 3 days coming out in the program we're going to hear from Christoph zoom in after the game last night and we're also going to hear from Daniel Fox in just a few moments as well let's get your take on the zonal marking argument which about a few times over the years on Canary call and also you know in various you know down the pub with your mates when you talk about Nori city and around the water kill it's a real bug bear for knowledge Franzia Darron eighty's coming that he doesn't like you're going to hear from Matt Jarvis like Johnson he doesn't like it for me I mean doesn't matter whether you do zonal marking a man Markin or a 3rd option that we haven't even thought of yet the bottom line is you know if you're in that box in your defend you go get you head to the ball 1st and that's what marriage didn't do last night and it's what don't you talk of saying you know even if you're what you're so doormats about you've got to be proactive and make sure you get the ball. 1st for me I mean I'm not a tactician on the coach and I don't really understand enough about zonal marking but I do know that coaches like you are going to close up and a lot Pep Guardiola do use it and that is enough for me just to suggest that there must be something in it month by month it's much more simple and I get the argument it's much more simple to say. You mark him and then we know it was doing or it's much more simple but the main argument that the people put forth a man marking tends to be well if we don't concede a goal for it we know whose fault it is and I think that's not necessarily the right way of looking at it that we're trying to apportion blame for things that haven't yet happened so yeah and the other thing is Rob Not just know it city but you know I watch so much football over the years where teams who are man marking have conceded cold absolutely so that no one you think score 3 corners is it yeah no it isn't and that's why that's why yes of course I would have got the defensive bases but you know they can carry a lot they were last night but I'm less concerned about that than the overall performance because you can put set pieces right you can work. Actually down your clock is main reason that they conceded goals from set pieces it was the silly file from talk up well that led to the 1st one it was the meatless corner that led to the 2nd one again comes back to them taking care of the ball. Giving away set pieces when they don't need to and you know you've got players like James will promise you that most Premier League teams have a place a very good for dead ball situation so it's another thing they've got to work up Ok well we'll leave it there with you Chris because we're now as promised going to hear from the north city had courage Daniel Foka Chris I spoke to him straight after last nights to be a Southampton and he began by talking about the fact that Nora is just one of the Rices in the 1st half of the 1st officer was crucial today and for me also proves that's what you always say same time you have to secure plan to to open spots to to offer people because. They of course are sometimes a pretty intense and aggressive from whence watch the pressing into. And of this of this team and we spoke so much more that we have to stick to a principle that we have to buy person that we also have to take risk in the build up and revert to impress in this in this 1st half and used to offer to play with longboard the ship boards and then exactly this happen so it's not like the played us out of the park so off a game that one of even able to create a chance but you go also not able to create chances and we didn't have control over the of the game and were 2 times bullets in certain set pieces and for that week we have to play that in the 2nd tower if you're to go all out on the front foot to dominate the game also to try to be brave and to take some risk also on the build up because if you do this and we are damn good sized and 3 we can can can be compared to from each of level and I think the set top forms actually would have to serve to the future of Back with. That was at least a draw in the hole but 90 minutes a point on the on this level and the 1st 45 prints were simply not good enough you mention the manner of the goals that sometimes in schools you took for the game about what a danger they were with set they said to let in 2 goals like that when I was pretty frustrated yes 1st of all I was not happy that we gave the set piece of a because both of them were not so we're not necessary especially the 1st one so it's just a wee bit from if I want to believe in a friend and you could be quite a bit stupid for because the current was on the way back from a form or goal and we grabbed a shirt and of course a one of the sweats is. What promised and he insists it's not easy when too many freaks and Corner Kicks are coming in and we cost me a set piece in the 1st half so far and of course here we have to defend the situation but more switch on and the more aggressive less on the on the 1st post but if I'm honest or when there are 7 percent pieces so there is one time the situation on the board comes. Over the 1st guy and. On the right position and he's talked us strike is able to score all of this yes so it was quite costly that we didn't have control more control over this game to be in. Then just too many said he says and in this true situation of a bullet a lot of football supporters particularly always talk about it 1st see man to man marking from set pieces you've got to go zone really just explain why you do that why you think that works better both. B.M.'s have it want to just say it's. A good scripted watch of men marking for example you can meet the point on this guy Ok use your head up and you're responsible for this but you know the bad thing is for example also like then it can be blocked away and you know and if I'm honest we're pretty small science and not the best in terms of fed him because we're playing with many technical players and if I'm honest if it just man against man marking we would be from honest many to us because you know the other teams are pretty often more competitive than the in the stands and for that it's more like we tried to to use a zonal marking but so Mike doesn't take anything away it's not like you're just ended your in your own jump it's you have to go into the ball and have to be aggressive and in this 2 situations for example it was possible because we were not locked away but we have to go more into the ball and on a in order to clear the situation just finished with a loss to Watford recently and recovered and got 4 points in the next 2 so all is not lost but you can't keep losing to the teams around you that's going to be costly isn't it yes but it's like this all in general doesn't take take away anything from the situation we need to come as close as possible in the end to 40 points and wherever we get this points if someone is doesn't matter because at the moment you don't know if it's really a competitor for the really gauge positions they could be easy right now if you will for more wins and they're fighting for Europe and right now in a top position and we have perhaps already beaten them they would be there in the competition so it's it's still a bit too early to say but one thing is for so huge of a game at some point and for that we are disappointed because also we wanted to return also out of the out of this game was over sponsored a that's what. 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Radio Norfolk you just heard from Daniel Farka following that disappointing 21 defeat for knowledge City last night where in the studio now with our special guests let's introduce them one by one and say hello before we get stuck in to zonal marking or man to man our man who is going to stick up for zonal marking managed to found find one is the wonderful Scott how a great story with a scar that even if you're not just you know going to just do this for the sake of balance you are genuinely a fan of zonal marking Yeah I'm a fan of zonal marking when it's done well yeah I can the 1st time so it's done by Man City is fine but last night a point of origin not so good not so good now Ok let's say hello as well to every roach and the yellow microphone Hello I'm a big city fan Barkley block blocking. The mine the mine everything you disappoint after last night around here a little bit just a little bit I think we've got the good for in the 2nd heart of a we didn't. Come over the plate with that that's helped break us and. We could have stole one I think. And now the voice you can hear there is of course Di coming in from the proud canaries Football Focus you know you've done it. You don't go to Southampton did it but I know you watched it once you know we'll get stuck into the market stuff in a minute but all in all I mean for me it was just the fact that Norah's just didn't really turn up to our 2nd half. Would you agree. Yes or it is. 5 going to say that I mean. They played on Sunday and then played yesterday you know we don't have that many weeks where they're too much of the week and same so they're not used to that and I think you know what in some ways I'm comparing the season to season to go and you know you remember when we got Tonks or at Millwall and and q.p.r. As well to me and it was just a learning process and I think it still is you know these guys haven't played Southampton in the Premier League before and they didn't know what I mean maybe they didn't know what to expect the team do their homework don't they but it's not the same as experiencing it and I guess they didn't expect it to be as full on they expected to be slower less them less physical I don't know yeah well done your father did say that he thought knowledge perhaps got a little bit bullied Scott I don't know I mean you said you saw the game last night . I don't know me hard I don't think Sam's all that great I take on board point about you know it's a new thing it's still learning for now it's not to these players employed in the Premier League but I wasn't to impressed with Southampton what about you I was not impressed them but I thought that extremely hard work in the fast they've really run the socks off and the fact that in order to come in the game in the 2nd half is maybe more indicative of so front and drop and drop an edge if you like but I thought the 1st half of the knowledge I wait to see is those players of the really expansive they don't think of it with the passing that they do to the Fos passage you see in the fast passes for that of if that person happens to be a can for our ball of the top for picked on to do it but for stuff especially when I say. We were picking the ball up and reasonable leaders and automatically going back and more often not win or we're back to the goalkeeper who then has a a Korean's under pressure which for me is unforgivable if you can have a clearance on the pressure of the park in a mix of the normal. Really well let's come on then let's get you defending zonal marking because. I am on the fence about this one because as you had there with our chat with Chris you know I did play football to a very poor level I was a defender I knew that I preferred man to mak man marking because I just wasn't very good at football and I knew if I didn't the mark stopped him score in that fight but on the flip side of that if you do him out of our market and it's all about who you can apply well that sort defeats the object doesn't it because you want to try to stop the golf what let's get let's get back to basics got your next professional explain to us the difference between I know it sounds silly but somebody sitting on what I'm talking about well is on the mark in the defenders set themselves all winds up along the sec Charlayne And normally in say the section our box you'd expect a goalkeeper to come with. The certain cells up Zorn's and see any ball that comes into my Zorn to me only be 3 yards apart any ball economize on going to an hour when that and the maybe a couple of people who Mark one of us or stop runners but the principle is that you are responsible for the ball coming into your zone and I think a lot of people don't like obviously because there's no accountability you like to know who's minors and and who scored the goal and apportion blame and she said blame doesn't really help us that much if you're trying to stop gold. I think what people don't realise is mind to my mark in glee if if everybody that does a job right Mark is great if everybody does a job right soon as someone doesn't do the job right then none of these things are very good so. The principle for me the reason why are they doing the physics going to go for the defense for an attacker to get ahead and go all he's got to get above the ball and hit it don't we which is the defenders only got to go under the ball and here that up so the defenders got I don't know 6 inches grease a fuel leak where they can get something on it and it has to be said that the quality especially the header that cumin it was a tremendously by there. You know I come in but it's so fun to put it out it was a tremendously people could run in a very very good leap I think Zimmerman challenge for and he did not buy it he was a 1000000 miles away from it and the 1st one was caught Scott buying still little bit of luck because it came off the shoulder but the ball in from war price I don't think you can go what I was like yeah it was really cheap I don't think going to be happy. Coming back it was Cam while it was going on it was pretty cheap in a dingy d.c. Area but again a zone we had the body ships or rape to. Pick these things up so they're going to bring em around this time because you're I'm going to I'm going to tell us what you've been saying and you're by saying are not an expert I'm a fan are just like to go and have a couple of beers and all that and I totally totally respect that because that's what football's all about so are we are we in our time talking about this and we should be leaving it to the likes of Daniel Fark ridgetop coach and the likes of Christophe there and bang Godfrey a top professionals Scot Howie an x. Goalkeeper played a very high level you know these are the people that know these things which is fans we're just sitting there watching it and hope that our team wins or how do we have a right to question these things you think. Of you and the. Best but I was just saying for the good it's no one was minute about it last year when we were in there and human about it this year because you know we haven't had a proper defense all season up until the last couple of games and I think it's a little bit of there to be so hard really and they were probably a different kettle of fish the last season and when we do well no one cares or the Netherlands talking about it absolutely I mean it has come up before for noise blight so when we're winning games no one's talking about it when we start losing We start in city but we can see that Nor'easter you can see it from set pieces so it's obviously a weakness but I don't know that we can and can we not avoid mentioning we can't avoid mentioning like home Ok the team is light hearted Yes And I think that's that's why we. Isn't that right Dan you're saying we're not all bad saying oh yeah he did say that and you got sent by the who he's big Ok and then but you know the fact that you know you got any kind of marking you can't just rely on those 2 characters so you are the reason that we've got people who played football I think in part because they really sure and you. Know it's easy often that brilliant shop is going to write a thesis about it and I think you're right yeah and you know the lights are very burned. Out at the minute by trying one played well yes that I thought the reason why he is what it is is because he's low to the ground you know the greatest player of all let's talk about the 2 great surprise all time and Messi Diego Maradona both short you know he said something else then what was. The reason I mean if you want to have a team that skillful class on the ball they're not always going to be glad yeah I think you need to make salt really I mean of the Barcelona team the reason to talk to him they were very short they still had a peak in the still had a pool who is incredibly aggressive in here so you do need to kind of mix up a little bit and I think that's where the ball comes in I think is a is a big presence if you like I think Ben's a very very good player and it reads well but he's not the tallest he's not know he's not going to be someone I just think he's still in looks but you know. I mean . He's very both enjoy it so you've got to can a mix these things up a little but I don't think. The thing is a little mark in the room the problem I think so we know what to do news on a mark in I think if you if you look up Zimmerman's very good and what you don't think is chest faces in the opposition's call so he's opened his body and you can see people running across him and that's kind of what I did as he's on the one who's doing everybody else is facing the ball and the end up scrambling backwards to you know to try and head the ball that this should really just stick to the same Earth thank God for 6 foot 6 so there is quite. Prevailing turnout. But I. But there was quite so how. Many. Are She died. I think now that you've never been particularly good at defending set pieces I don't personally for the. War and it's a worry let's let's go have that we've had the. Same he likes I know markets have a current probe. Jarvis who still looking for a club but for me of North City of England as well this is what he said on Canary call last night after the game when we were talking about zonal marking I'm sure they were told before the game don't give free kicks away you can see it's quality so you know. Bit night he's trying to win the ball easy he's not done anything on purpose he's he's trying to get in front of him to win the ball but it is a free kick and then to be honest I totally with you I hate zonal marking when I when I grew up again into the team as young lad I always it was man to man and that was your man you don't score and I think you know you can have accountability then I think you know when the zonal marking Oh well it was in my area but you know it wasn't me it was it wasn't it wasn't you know if your man scores it's your fault I think that's that's all to me the way it's got to be and and you make sure that your man doesn't score that's the great Matt Jarvis who is with us last night for the game and Canary call the match our son might really be our good friend and the legend and he's a good friend your score he was on social media. Again a winner by did I think he was a wing back for a while as well less stuff so there is a bit defensive capabilities in barony but it's interesting that attacking players hated it well I think if they would have been in the box defend the corner they'd have been in the poor thing that have been up against the 6 foot or I think the thing is what we're doing with traditional man to man marking you forget the we've got a long tame get in training to can work things out in set pieces and we brought noise doing rugby you block people off you'd step in front of people you know you're. Walking really hard to create a space and a free one for someone so you can do everything right and still not be able to hold on to a man for man to man marking so you know these things happen all the time or trying very hard to score you got a member Yeah it's true and I don't deny it and we're not going to go on about this or mark as it will get boring but I do know it's just perhaps need to have a little bit more of the devil in a Mark Scott was saying a little bit of the old do you know ribs you know I wanted Yeah maybe I mean you know it's so much a game is about counter isn't it I do you are wonder sometimes if that's what the players are thinking or you know they're getting ready for the counter and thinking about you know rather than thinking about the task in hand I don't know when you pray and just just because we're going to hear a very cool clip in a minute or from a great dad who is always great when he's on clerical just so put in that one to bed last night Southampton It was disappointing but we can't get carried away as well as well as us football fans do such a long way to go in there and I think it just gets in marketing I don't like the fact they're looking for someone to blame and you know I don't like that pick and it sounds like but in terms of the season I think we just need to be realistic and keep trying to be positive and go for it I think is that suppose that it's a from the game I don't know when they get that it's now of course not on their minds are open by the way are 803097321 if you want to get in touch with us because we are live you can talk to us about what you think Scott you have another point there just one of the one of the corners that we Norrish to think almost not as to think on as well 11 men in the box and that's really unusual I mean other than of Hypothetically if you stayed up and they threw somebody else and and they stay in the half or your lane and split the defense in the opposing team they're going to have to keep at least 3 people back so all the sudden the 5 people at the box that have to be there so it always looks a bit of a single match you know one in the last one out to bring to the back yeah but if you put one up you have to buy 2 of the 3 back. Any more than 2 up because if you pick up a stone they have to. But I suspect he's the I mean you always have you sent a forward back don't you mean or member like over the I mean pretty good in the end so you want him in the box you know you've given Roberts you're going back you know you'd always want him big said but I guess it's someone like perhaps count Well Osama just leave him all day if he's. Not particular I think please please for your thinking to me once again the end of it is the statistic more lately to learn to not concede from a corner even for what it's really not to concede so you should be thinking about catching the other team on the brink now before we get a chance to set up in the Senate a great opportunity for the not defendant probably only Yeah it's true right as promised we're going to hear from the Great. Regular on Canary call and he really impact the game well he's talking about marriage being poor in the 1st and he also has has his side as well on that zonal marking issue here we go with party from Canary called last minute in turn are going to Perth up at all I don't know what kind of tactic you were given to do to actually execute it 1st up because not. Only what you have got shot I get it was that the op and the sudden people really did what they were doing which is pressing on what we we had no clue going it be other way. To continue to go from a. Shock we've done it you know back in the work I don't think anybody think that it was a relief when. We keep on giving away free we got I would like to say we want. To win $32.00 or 4. Like that in the Premier League we don't like that we want to got away with the real world obvious what coming back and all 3 of the people locked on a quarter in the Premier League. And and but what I would say that knowledge have proved this season they can do it you know they proved it they were brilliant at Everton they were brilliant on Sunday they were brilliant against Man City goes without saying so what is it about no reach that means they are on the back of that and they've had plenty of time to regroup you know Sunday to Wednesday that the you know plays a fit they should be able to handle that the injuries of East what is it can you put your finger on why knowledge of come out there in the 1st offer looks so far because I can and I don't think Matt can or don't I don't think than you Foka probably can. I don't I don't know what part of the structure of the gate coming out because I. I was looking at that much you will probably have to explain it you after the Arsenal game and think we need to upload the date with the same attitude calm out and get you to order to get more than 2 things that really go. For the point look at the problem you want to be more than a. Minor but if you want to look out you know it well actually we don't even get out and I think pocket told to get me to give it back to the point that we did not go forward thinking at all like you go oh that's the great dad speaking to me and madge obvious on Canary talk Ameri Corps is available as a podcast if you missed it and of course this program the scrimmage will be there as well later on we've opened up the lines to talk about marking and zonal marking and also the cheval generic game which is coming up as well and I'm delighted to say our friend Linda joins us Hello Linda who you want to talk to our panel you want a question for you night I think don't yeah yeah well I think about what you said about the life of corporate. Patient. And I thought to myself Well we're not 'd we're not one to sit here and we're not the people who think about a change roundabout way we are and I'm thinking about shaping you know if you know I think you know incredibly successful at the moment winning games actually doing well who do it all marking or is it month to month and that was my question really well as far as I'm aware I don't obviously want Sheffer it out every week but I think Chris Wilde doesn't probably know marking and he's quite forward thinking manager Scott Howie and someone who tries new ideas not us are new ideas ideas that work has the overlap incentivise as well which an interest in white supply He's an interesting manager Chris waters and Scott I think is very interesting I think he's got a really good mix of modern ideals and forward thinking big. I think it drills you seem like a good old fashioned English manager we do they'll do a lot of walk on the zonal marking a lot of want to Findling set pieces a walk attacking set pieces that can the thing and I think he's got a very very disciplined unit I think it will begin the successful Yeah Linda how you feel when I die and Emma what they're thinking about Sheffer Jaya but we'll get your initial thoughts how you feeling going into that game of course plights a knife to Sheffield United So you know have they got a game that's live on t.v. Against Newcastle which kicks off in just under an hour's time so you know they're going to be a little bit more what they had less one last time than us but it's a such a big game a tough game for North City isn't it. I think incredibly talk and I think the problem is that they will get after a problem very very minute at the 1st whistle and I think that sometimes is what happens when we lose it we lose our focus we begin to panic a little bit too early and people actually get on to it quickly our only only I answer to that I think is that we do the reverse that we try we are better when we actually trying to come out really going full blast rifle a very smart person I think I am worried about Chipper United much I would've thought perhaps a couple weeks ago that the be a problem for you know we would manage it but after yesterday and after the way that they actually done in the 1st half which is not I don't think is excusable that they play I can understand why but I don't really think that how many excuses and to say while it with so badly and if they play like a 2nd United lose that well that's just my opinion and right now always great to hear from you Linda That's Linda he's a regular on Canary call always great to get her thoughts if you want to join in the chat give us a ring I 10397321 with taking a bit of serious time tonight because we're the day after a big knowledge bank don't often get that on the scrimmage so that's why we're really digging into the big banks have got coming again Shefford you know. Let's get more and by coming in thoughts I will start with you di Sheffield United of course the next one and it's a game we've always had some fun with over the last few years there's a bit needle arrows in there Chris why don't you factor in our friends that I forgot their best friends how you are so you know we're not bothered by it but I think it's March but they weren't all song about taking it on nor exactly like I'm looking forward to it but it's a thing that. On against us I know. Quite a play the noise it was very flattering to get to play to love the place but I mean I'm almost more worried than what was before yesterday's game because of the knowledge play poorly last night but it's at home so north that I mean I'm really interested in the whole thing about playing differently away from home but it's a thing isn't it and it wasn't really a thing last year in championship but this is it is literally a whole different ball game Premier League so we've been playing great it will play badly then we can feel it but I think actually every other match played we played well at home so you can also grow know your well that tells you it's good. We want to know yes it was great so I'm just going to let Yes that I go because I think it's going to be fantastic and you know I think I mean we're saying earlier you know we see him back it makes huge difference and competition for places at the back. And you know so. It's good you can well behind well as well any possibly back in the you know maybe I mean he's learned his lesson so I'm excited so let's ask you what would you do because dollars set me up nicely there for a question one day you're in for count well who played so well against Arsenal. I am a do out what would you do. Because he was good last night was our one by one vote supplier I thought it had I think that person. Who said he can't pass because I don't see why that you know I think him in pique is him purtier. You know party or . Did you say what you protected Yeah I know and I think droppin when deer was a good thing it things sometimes is a good thing and so it's played really well so let's keep turds and go so it's a nice problem to have Scott who are lots of big found him he suppliers ply him at jobs or she played there he was really works it always does really waxes lyrical about what he does the price some fans don't see and some other players don't see but he's a player's player would you put him back in up and back and I thought mornin and she's a game a little bit phenolics last night is what creates incredible. Quite simple with his passing doesn't try to overextend themselves and he's kind of breaks things up is a kind of player that every teen needs to start with you die. I think he's fantastic I think I was impressed with Amadou midfield against Arsenal you know it's interesting the troubles been dropped and maybe maybe you need to rest and French is not in the picture even though he's Yeah well that's strange wrong because Marion French is apply that all knowledge France love because what he did last season he's now free and has been for a while but he hasn't really featured as he so it's interesting and he's applying that can that perhaps we talked about earlier in the show with Chris perhaps needed a player like him he's a bit more careful with the ball last night yeah I've been saying a lot of praise for Kenny McLean recently because you know he seemed to go through great goals last year and again this season and that pass to Pinky. Where is just it was just wonderful and. And you know he does the graft as well as the creative stuff. But yeah so I think it's exciting and I just got to let last night yeah I got to really I mean as pie it's got There's my point in. You know I'm open you've got come back in I'm sure they're in today when they got back from Southampton probably my day off tomorrow back in on Friday back inside I You've just got to get on with them and I mean it was disappointing but it's not the end of the world of course it's disappointing and I think maybe it's easy to think the more you don't think of things take it seriously or or you may think well he's a man and you're not nor criticizing him or home and you can't do that you know a whole season to do what with a group from in here and you've got to keep it together and you got to keep a good team spirit and you can go hang in people it's a try so I think. It's going to a different game this weekend if you come out like what expansive which suits not it's because I think Norwich are playing well now they do care only for what they do know the the do ask a lot of questions of the opposing team I don't think they ask any questions of Santa in the fossil often and not much to signify that they actually put themselves under more pressure by continually go back with absolutely and in terms of Daniel Farka you know he can do no wrong in most knowledge friends of ours and there's certainly no lack of support for him would you say from the Nora trial now you've got lots of mates or knowledge friends and you're in that Barkley you know that there's still universal love for Daniel Fark and we all believe in Him Don't be silly yeah there's always I haven't had anything negative to say for it I'm pleased to say since the very start you know this is a canary call and. Last night but that's all right. But. Yeah I only ever love him so it is really good and I don't think it does any good for the fans or the teams as well and what's gone wrong and I'd say that you're in the game as well if we make it was that you're in the game where let's cheer that morning you know we've got to support them he given us want to talk about and what about that perky because we. With. Me asking you I remember you like a couple of is that. You're not going to like we said John leave our reporter down to try out and he really enjoyed it it was it was a good drop he said and our kids they stunk of it when he came back out in the gantry What was it like then give us a lot runs with that was it called the perfect business and I can't think that that was a lovely Yes and I don't wince and you know what you mean so if we actually there is a way and I see I think it's only 3.8 percent yeah quite a lot yeah I mean it. Sounds like a lot I know. It's not a log or it's a lie I don't know whether from what Finland's National drink is that you know well you know it was you know because it's quite shocking for many charcoal as well but it's a great thing and again it's a nice little things that the local breweries can do and we love all that but we don't totally Yeah I think that's been fantastically innovative has him as a sponsor and yeah yeah and we're going to hear from Zimbabwe in just a moment Christophe Zimmerman to get his full name and we have to talk about rainbow like this is what symbol is a matter of support that is and yeah well you know this Proud Mary said see an inclusive team as well as the. And last year they came into training which was pretty amazing didn't tell the players that he was coming. Is fantastic and yet he played the whole training session he didn't disrupt the fight at the end he is such a good guy and he see genuinely sees the value you know the club being a community oriented club absolutely he's a great guy and we're glad to have him back in the knowledge team and here is talking to Chris last night after that defeat Southampton and I'm packing the game and then moving on to other things with Chris but we need to make sure just that we learn from it quickly because the way we especially a different side goes off giving them away in the 1st harvest just not good enough for this league and if. If God's on the other side what pros will so could deliver is eventually you can't defend each and every star player but of course conceding to win one half time from set pieces is just not good enough and the most frustrating thing I mean Ok you might lose games in the Premier League but to lose a game where you probably haven't done yourselves justice that must feel you know for sure I mean we know in this league there might be some some teams if they play to their best level and we play to our best levels. They're more likely to win the games but it's just frustrating if we are not performing at our best because when we're given the chance we're getting a good result because we need to be at our best to get some from from the games in this league and otherwise struggle which is the only thing is any way you can explain that 1st off for 4 months because after Everton and Arsenal there was every reason to be positive but it just wasn't as in I would say sometimes sometimes you've got a scam Sometimes you just don't get in the game on the front for when I think we just say well whatever the reason was for just need to make sure it doesn't happen again on the Sunday and then on the other games as well because there might be might be games with difficult to play out from the back but sometimes if we're not able to do so at least we we need to make Shoki work very quickly and we're playing with a plan b. And then get it get ourselves into the game differently most of the fans strong and having lost now to Watford and Southampton when you're making life difficult for yourselves on you you know for sure I'm in a similar game before but for what we've tried Villa and we've lost this one so those were maybe 3 key games where we were all of course hoping and expecting to get points from and not even getting one from those 3 is very disappointing and. We well we need to make sure that whenever one of those sort of big games come up which is more switched on straight from the start because in all those games we conceded 1st and there's always this always makes all that makes life so difficult for us because you're frustrated tonight or from a personal point of view you've had to wait so long to get a. Probably go in the Premier League it must feel good to be back for sure I'm on personal terms are true it's just just good to be back garden so you get the chance to be playing and also 3 games in for 10 days and I think for me I'm happy that everything's so current that I'm feeling Ok but it's yeah it's at least about me and always more about the team so therefore we are very disappointed today how different is the Premier League for me defenders point of view. I mean just just the individual quality that's it's so high on the pace of the game I mean sometimes started very quickly and also always running in behind so experienced strikers when you play Arsenal that I think we don't have to argue about the quality of their 2nd players and also some of their squad I mean those are the 3 games that I can judge on on the 90 minute basis so just especially for me the attacking quality is just outstanding and you need to be switched on in each and every 2nd like we've seen today much just from open play but certainly also from set pieces when you have a result like this attention she moves to the next game Tara right on Sunday you going to need to turn up and perform in that game now and you know for sure I mean we need to get points from every game possible and therefore every every specially home game is important to know about just needs I just think that we need to learn from today's experience quickly and that will make sure we're not making the same mistakes again on Sunday. And if we're playing a decent or better than decent performance what we did in the 2nd half we've got our chance again but it's we need to make sure we bring that on the pitch not just for 45 of finance minutes it's a good battles with Sheffield United over the years so it could be another important one and Sunday yeah for sure I mean I would try to tour the 4 times in the last 2 years so I think everybody knows smallest what to expect they know what's coming from our side and we are the same about them so we need to make sure that we make it work and make it count for us that's Christophe salmon speaking to our microscope last night after that the fate. At Southampton but we now look ahead to the blades game chef originally to the visitors to carrots another 2 o'clock kick off on Sunday it will be live on b.b.c. Radio offer from one now then we were talking about the national drink of Finland we thought it might be fun. It's not because our friend and colleague. Says get ready for introducing show he just can't resist helping us out and he's been on the Google and he's looked up and the national beverage of Finland is milk. Printer says he bought it sometimes curdled I think I'll stick with the finished beer you want to head home to finish. Another 2 drinks to find his finish the cure should be tasted which are lacquer which is made from saffron colored while the cloud cloud burial never even and sounds like something from a fantasy world and Maizie Marjoe which is made from the Arctic Bramble Berry So if you want to get a nice present for Christmas get some Bramble berries It will love you forever but yeah we were talking about the perfect finish and the way that we enjoyed that drink and Scott how he just said knowledge like a log. Just go nothing else was there you know that is going to. Have pictures of half naked women in the cans No no no no I say I was I was like that about that very same was you know they need some of that Scotland just talk about Largo. But struggled with. Exactly let's look at their heads in the chef a gigantic and what you would do in their diet coming in with the proud canaries. Thing we saw at Southampton last night the rainbow flags are the Premier League is embracing it just explain to us what the rainbow life is after people who don't know been under a rock for the last 3 years this is a this is a thing that's really gathering momentum has been going for a few years and there is some interesting stats that m. Stone will have put out this year too and evidence why they're still running their campaign which is about showing l g b t plus visibility in football and apparently 4 out of 10 people that's 40 percent isn't it. Don't feel welcome in sport and that might be because if they go to some sport they hear homophobic chanting or people shouting homophobic stuff. Or it might be that they feel uncomfortable participating because they're worried about being bullied so don't you think that still. The other key stat is that there is still no player in the my only game although there are women and there are a male athletes out in other sports so there still is an issue for football and this is a way of showing solidarity and it's a lovely colorful campaign and it with our mates. Support Group going to be giving away 2000 pairs of rainbow laces yet last year we gave way $400.00 no went so quickly of fever of up the ante this year and we've got more on board so get you I think you still have to get to Carrow fairly early because they're going to going to go round on the trot me more then come on you want to bring me some Yeah it's not. Going to get we're going to or I don't I mean after I say well I'm just rambling and there but I had to measure them because your friends and our friends and Brad Brad like. Canaries if they would fit into wrestling base and sadly they don't know not long enough along with wrestling very far I know there's another wrestler for the directory called Keegan and he wears a flag he was a rainbow flag and he's good so there's a big show for them and also for actually on Sunday night so if you if you've been to the north get resource from which you can see Brown Well I'm sure he'll have some sort of run by lysozyme or something but it is something and I know you are you feel strongly about as well it's so important that we keep this going is the rainbow laces mainly because yes we want what we had out footballer fairly soon that does have the bravery to come out but also I think what I said is really important to focus on the fact that we want. People to be able to come to a football match and not feel in any way I threatened in any way I was clearly I think been inclusive to everyone who ever they I was really important it wouldn't even cross my mind so no welcome anyone you know I think we should all just treat everyone the same he whatever they are wherever they're for. Well to me it doesn't cross my mind so you know yeah but I just don't understand I mean Carol it is an amazing place and it is one of the most wealthy and grounds I've ever been to and it really jolts me when I hear you know sexism or people being disabled or you know racist or homophobic So you because it doesn't very often happen it doesn't and Scott you come from when you started you come from an era where that was a lot more unfortunately we saw a lot more of it and obviously we've moved on from that you must be pleased that the steps that have been taken of course I think society's moved on I'd like to think society has moved on quite a lot but I think football's responsibility is really not to to pioneer these things and we can assure that we because a do think that the maybe a very vocal minority of people in society who stole your home for we can still recessed and sexist and all that is so but. I think it's up to the people who normally can assert Now the hands to to she in the most and point the most I think it's a great initiative things are so fantastic in who you would like to not your brain trying to really listen yes when I send you to if I hear people say things were God this is what it is I think they're just what you know really just all and I think we sort of there it is you know what I want to people you know I think we're kind of British and sometimes we worried about making a scene but and people worried about being safe but if you can't do a football match when you've got students all around you that you might sort of around other supporters around then where can you and it's kind of like patterning your own behavior once you do it there's so much it is you know again and you feel so good about it so well you need to do is say oh my you know absolutely I have to give him a lick now but you know what you wrote you so god a minute or so you know what we feed him going into the shepherd you know I remember you're always positive I know I get into every game thinking that we can win this regardless and I think if we displayed pose that if I'm not really as the fans if something goes wrong just. A person if just this cheer them on if we can see or say what to say other man lisc Yeah I have another oh no the people I know. Got all the positive people it and I could You're no doubt thinking come we can we can do thank you like it's going to be time I think you know maybe 3 to something like that but I do I think we're going to triumph and I think it's going to really build away the next year games over Christmas yeah and Scott you know is the home going to and I know it's a cliche but you know we were disappointed last night but there was home games for knowledge is so big because we got Lester away for it which is you know not bit worried about that one Jamie Vadi 7 in a row he scored an incredible so Norwich need to get some of these home wins that way I think they do I think the home front all of this could be more important I don't think anyone see the top top 4 or 5 expects to get in the From a start up they still sort of been wanted to much but but we're going to pick up the points we were kind of not overly concerned that obviously you want to be so far turn and what for them to do that because they'll be our own does in the end but a really don't think that's we're not a to the point system to do better against the teams who who come out them who are more expansive and and she feels one of these teams so quit looking for that is the way to look at it because knowledge of struggle to get to the strugglers but actually chef you have at such a great start that we could probably do the winter night to be you know they've done well against a better team they were last a little expansive until so out of mind City art and knowledge can handle on the console and the debris quickly on it so I think they're the games that knowledge are going to when the can to take games against the wall fronts and things can blow harder Ok great to have Scott with us great to have Di coming in and Emma Roche as well that's all we got time for on the screen Don't forget to make sure you get to Carrow Road early on Sunday to get your rainbow laces wrapped around your head put on your wrist put in your shoes whatever you need to do but make sure you support the cause we're back for yellow Friday tomorrow night at 6 o'clock Saturday sport live Kingsland action just time for our man at Glenn Roeder to say goodbye and then it's b.b.c. 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