Sorry guys sorry 5 years time I'll be a professional prolific popular handsome is yeah you know isn't loads of followers just a very influential popular figure great fights very entertaining to watch Lost do you have Damn girl I'm just going to allow you you know we can you love to me what do you think a golden piece of advice is to anyone this considering getting into boxing for the recording his strength in effigy. My advice for anyone getting into books in all that you considering I love that my advice to you in that case would be Commit to the 3 Cs which are commitment number one if you're going to commit you're going to commit is that when you're hungry and you need to go get something to eat your going to get something to eat you're not going to sleep until you eat number 2 be consistent Some days you're not going to want to show up show up those are the most important days sometimes you're going to feel down just go and do what you can be consistent in your physical commitment your performance and consistent in your attitude. And then the last one is communication if you're not if your for some reason you cannot make it communicate with your coaches if you cannot make a Communicate with your team members and get them to hold you accountable to these 3 C's Hi My name is richer or poorer I'm a professional boxer the current Continental Champion live in London selfish London at what age did you stop boxing started books and when I was 19 I had my 1st 5 and to the gym aged 18 so I trained for one year and competed you've spoken quite openly about your childhood and you know growing up would you mind expanding a bit more a group in South East London run a water pik America it was quite tough growing up you know I was immersed in and crime and deviance to kind of to. On certain characteristics for me to kind of survive the top a lifestyle finally made it around aged 202221 and I want to went to college graduated and after shortly after I went professional I read an article of your drama teacher from school and he co-chief not outwardly naughty people but he definitely had an edge What was it like school in its core observe a figure around me but I was also a sheep and when I said I mean I used to attend to follow the coolest people around and I really didn't have a backbone amount if you would. Go to a lot shows just because of that characteristic you speak about street culture and respect and I that's a huge thing how much choice do you think it's growing up like that have and how easy is it to make a change because it's quite a massive thing is yet you said being a sheep there's probably so many sheep Well there they have the power to make a decision but is this really difficult because if you want to stay cool you have to you have to follow the trend you have to follow where everybody else is doing and if you don't you know with them things like you can't hang around with us and it's really difficult for a child obviously they want to be cool and they want it all everybody to like them so it's quite it's quite difficult for you to kind of make that decision but like I said you have to kind of just focus on where you want to be in the future you did she look up tens of say as a role model now tend to look at individuals that came from my background and also people I made something on nothing. I love Mahmud Ali is one of my greatest idols also people that came from similar backgrounds and grew up in London or just like Anthony Joshua or Delia wise and all these other a few step made something out of nothing Roberto Duran. from panama you know all of these does after lease go in and of richard branson amazing amazing individual my idols mom a nytol run i was a eddie hearn and believe went up big because these a ease gray away you does you know if i could do as well as how you does he's job in the books or ring their 2nd are maida back of made a seriously he's amazing oh would you say ishall proudest achievement say far at in an out of the rain up and graduating from uni are i don't a faint i was possible you exam or more parents just scoop to me about this since i was a child tommy are you going to good degree one day i woke up i was like i don't to do though own a disarm noce in all horror of are just you know roam the streets galton oh good and not get no degree you know no qualification duff on fine with that from you to lie change old around just reach a paradigm shift than just are you know i want to i want to degree no here osei in previous into sent you've done before you spake about when you went to a potty and gyn it diva stopped was that up point few way you thought i want to chain why impacted i haven't a family add a massive impact to my family my mother and particular she was frying of me leave in a house you know for many years off they are every every single day she wanted to find a exactly why out was was doing you know it's not easy for pern to especially if you were on the holiday and receive a core from a family him sane and it's your son any have a stud to you know him you you name he died that's it under go for the surgery for you know are you know i need to kind of give them peace of mind i don't and beaded the for that finally realize you know what a figure out what tell and in boxing yeah and olds want i wanted to study as will this is a huge fig in african it community as well for your children you know your child to to have a degree a to go to uni and leave or a good qualifications 3rd i was too can to karen yes today about just general advice it you would give because of say you've been through a law in your head what do you think a gold on pieces vice would be fetched To someone who wants to make a change I think one of the most important things and this was the starting point for me was to stop caring about what people think of you because most of the the main reasons why I got up to no good even though one I did have for changing my life or or do something a bit more same or more productive Bard say listen don't care about what anybody thinks of you Well the options and and look ahead to fink about how taken action now would affect you and in 10 years to come would it benefit you or would it not and if it does then you can you can do it and if it doesn't then you shouldn't do come out and speak your mind so lost just have person that Lawrence think that say . I'm doing my thing but when we clash it's going to be a big big fight so it's just a period of time when a right track he's winning and I'm winning so it's just a period of time before we clash and I believe when we do I'll be victorious. On B.B.C. Radio no. You. See the game the final hour of the sports panel hour where we get into the nitty gritty of the world of sports in the last week something happened in the last week what's going on there and we'll be discussing that with our fiery panel tonight we have 3 in the studio with us one of them is a voice we only heard a moment ago how to get even how much good evening to thank you also report thank you for airing it our pleasure it was fantastic we'll be asking about Richard react pork shortly and of course Gilpin like your trip back home yeah well before coming down here and over in that corner we go it's a whole there's been drama in the football but I can tell from the reaction is about we're going to even you know I just I did something happen. You can tell us all in a moment. Conason Good evening caller Good evening Joe Yeah I'm really really good and good to do things properly of course Isabel Roe you are not Norwegian ice court ball coach and Norfolk United netball coach that is correct yet in fantastic stuff you are invited now for A.T.P. And the pink and yellow is under the lovely umbrella apparently so yeah and this happened this only happened so recent development. So pinch yourself so what was thought of you because you're no stranger to B.B.C. Radio and often the same of Isabel but you're no stranger here and you've worked with large city and you've done so much for a couple of my foot weren't all various things and you know been a pundit here and come on in and it's all led to this so there are some dream job but yeah I get found out to be honest it's been really nice really enjoyed there in today's been Yeah like I say it's not an exaggeration says a dream role so I really enjoyed it obviously been from the region been around the football club it is I think a dream for any supporter to have the position so I feel really privileged and honored to be to be completely honest and imagine it's a natural transition for you because you do so much right in any way and you're covered across it's just not very different than the where that SAS is also a different how I think family made you into sort of more traditional media is a bit different jump but one I'm sort of excited to a can of there's a really good team there who are helping me and teaching me so they are really looking forward to get into it probably in more going to start with a man city as well so I could probably perhaps picked a better one but they are well I don't know if they'll be as many goals at Carrow Road this Saturday as there is it so Mary's at the moment we're up to just let you know guys we've been bring you up to date the score it's England 5 cause of you free but it could've been 6 for a bit rough spot cleanest it was bought figures how you carry and how you missed the spot King I saw Ross complain now it's kind of course on the field looking for his hat trick so I've been on I was at one this game isn't it Sanjay that's got a I say it's about how things are you good thank you yeah we're now getting into the season. For. That's why I love doing and how do you how do you propose to different sports to me learn how to use it but how do you sort of all the time between the 2. There's definitely a lot more time with no I'm involved with a lot more teams coaching in that pool of the club I coach called Let's quote this more low so it's nice so one day a week for the coaching one day a week for the playing but in terms of netball I was coaching last night I will be coaching a separate team to. Be coaching the blue thoughts on Saturday morning which is around 7 years old and I'll be playing Sunday morning as well where I could have been coaching on the 1st day in Academy of playing this week like about back in the not there's any of you ask of a not this one and I'm going to yourselves while you are kickoff reporter for the summer here. How to Choose your words wisely have you found oh I thought it made you think literally the experience 5 game from has been invaluable you could've said it's been panned So we were still out here but but now you've done Sunday bulletins on this amazing report that we've just heard from yourself thank you very enjoy doing actually I went to left pro to seek care and then I went to London from laughter to see Richard and these are 2 upcoming boxers Yeah Kiran's a character yes honestly they were 2 complete like I was so not expecting them to be similar I suppose but they were just polar opposites I when we've left but there's a new building called the alley athlete center and hotel which is really cool because it's from all over well come and they say that and that's where we did the interview and he was just an explosion to be honest but yeah it was really nice. Yeah he was just different it was great Anyone who starts an interview with should be locked up oh yeah he actually say he made me do that he started looking in the interview and he made me do that to his 12 K. Followers on him so he put it on his story and I was like OK that's fine I'm now a stumbling blocks and I started a column sort of. Apartness is going to stick it to shift work but I got to start working. After today's game though of course I'm Richard react that was amazing he now for people not within the Baltimore he is a chap fingers in a lot of pies promotional AI also as well brimming with talent had Yeah he had a big couple of wins and yeah and he's trained by always under the tutelage if you like of 1000000000 yeah yeah so we've got 2 big gems in life but power base is one of them and a lot of the boxes do you train that's how they train together and I didn't actually interview him enough but he was in London which is kind of terrifying for me except actually never really navigating my way across London myself so that was also a learning curve so I'll just shut your eyes for the best exactly down the elevators on the tube if you try and match up the car yes it was his 1st time using an eagle Actually that sounds very millennial of me but you know it's good on New Year's and to have a minority we're not that well yeah. I should have known but that leads us on to our 1st talking point tonight for the panel and it is box incented but it's around this rematch of 2 You Tube is now when I hear You Tubers you to kind of tend to think well with the famous on the internet but these people have such huge influence in terms of figures and numbers and of course we talk about K.S.I. You too but Logan Paul you like 40000000 subscribers together I think of them it's crazy how they both bring their They're having their 2nd box in ballot so if anyone didn't know they had a boxing bout. With a year or so ago now and that was a huge rip roaring success at the how to actually care so I had 4 previously against another You Tube or both he believe it or not would have done very well that was sort of the blueprint for it now they had a box in front when 6 rounds the match was deemed a draw but it sold so much on paper view it did a huge figures so that's all question for tonight is are we given these people who already have a huge platform more unnecessary exposure now of course there's arguments there is boxing as a sport so 1st and foremost. Is it right the monies and figures involved of course I'm against any sport for that matter but does it discredit it because you've got to You Tube has fallen on the bill this chap called Billy Joe Saunders who is an actual boxer that's going to be on the undercard of that he could be winning a world title does it discredit him that to You Tube is the headline in it and is it right but the past to do this or is it just all the money making they've begun professional for the fight it's well they have to be granted a license OK so you technically turn pro Yeah but they don't you know you have to your training there's also the drug test then hell yeah well which you don't incorporate is a one off bow are they tested by you can't you know the Wagner is the best one out there but in terms of what the more when they fix other things does it demean other fighters that these have a platform where you know these are generated in Floyd Mayweather numbers who is of course the best boxer of the last 30 years some say ever does it demean the sport some are bring you guys in now what would you think of it is it is it is this something that we should be getting behind because Matchroom boxing of taking on it's going to be on Sky pay per view is it something that sits well with you. if in there is there's 2 a's look it i think commercially obviously for for the guys involved who from that viewpoint i was he makes massive sands of in there live seen a fight that did very well paper view the perhaps they didn't have their name or him and perhaps of perhaps a money signs and war no and decided to go for the hour but then on on the country if i if on me a young boxer trying to met my way opened slogan hours in the gym they are the day in her some put in the same grafters mia again the spotlight at over a o.b. To please or that so from that perspective morally now are the i don't think it does because you sore reward him people who have more it's hard to get their side it's it's an interesting want to really interesting one menace is going to be interesting to see how it's received in and how it goes down of think in this is it because up the the thing is it's than is the figures of numbers in bought a think people if it was perhaps or charitable events or if it was a one off events people could get behind a a bit more but ultimately these are 2 characters that unless you're wrong do you chew will to character to people in the sure on you tube an we've been the know you don't really know too much about them an i only found out out who logan paul words fire rather distasteful video that you did in japan where he was you know if in this forest where people lot people have lost their lives and things of that and with really on the plane it but also not really respect them a cultural difference is so from our start of things actually hard to get behind him is a person before you even look at the event anyway so that's not going to sit well of people but as you just point out there richard react pour he's trained in in low you know he goes up to love bring yeah and he will be gets in peanuts in comparison to someone like these 2 who have no interest in isp or it almost trivializes the other bucks is careers i thank and also you talk about how controversial logan boy like you said actually they are characters i think because it's not mine platform i think you've got a look if they're doing if the right reasons if they doing out passion for the spall or if they're doing it tb controversial because because have got such a huge platform and they're going to have a young audience it be really get if they could use something like this obviously there's the commercial gain but to sort of Promote charities perhaps that use boxing as a way out like we were talking to Richard earlier he boxing was his way out so I think there could definitely be it could be done in a different way I think and it's about bring yourself in here. This is a I mean we're a box in Final not how does the event sit with you really is it something that you want to see loads of money for now because from the promoter side of things and actual from boxing pundits off expenses for him was one who does the off the gloves gloves are off pocket he's very much behind and he says any spotlight on boxing is good spotlight and people any public city's good publicist say but I think sometimes with certain events where perhaps lives are on the line of people's livelihoods it. Doesn't sit well with some people. Yeah it doesn't sit very well with me for a lot of reasons that we've already covered particularly with. The behavior of him behind on his focus is just ridiculous and I find it really hard to understand why people are still giving him the time of day to have. To put that kind of behavior on camera but I suppose like you said if it was for a charitable cause we'd probably be looking at this in a completely different way just like we do for charitable football matches they got a lot of support for all the right reasons if they were doing the same thing for the boxing I'm sure we would be having a completely different conversation but I can see why they're paying a lot of money into it they've noted to people that obviously have a massive following I think it might actually be even 50000000 there that they are and achieving in subscribers and I think the company they're promoting it a report to actually be suffering quite badly in terms of what money they're bringing in so for them it makes complete sense to bring these 2 people in I don't think it necessarily. Makes the sport lose any kind of gravity within the sporting world because these 2 people are very much seen as youtube is people don't see them as professional sports people because that's exactly what they aren't they're not sports people so for me yeah they might have had to have got their Lawson's to become professional boxers in order to do this in the way that they are but for me that's just a formality I'm not going to grow and then the same respect time or another boxer because they haven't put that time in they haven't put that effort in where you see these people training going up as it is they do to be boxes following the diet they have to to be boxes for me this is just a bit of a lark for and they're going to get the following they do just because of who they are to be fighting to get on the undercard I think says a lot about that poll they haven't if anything it might actually grant an opportunity for some of these up and coming boxes to be seen by more people so it might be fast but it might actually have some benefits in the long run Yeah and this is it so Billy Joe Saunders If you may who are familiar with him he's a middleweight boxer who's held well titles he's gone abroad and for he used to be under Frank Warren he's only just saw him with Eddie Holmes Matchroom boxing he called up K.S.I. Asking to be on this card so if we're sitting here discussing a fighter and saying all well they're being explored these guys have put intent on what we've got former world champion calling up one of these You Tube put me on the bill I think it did me then sit there and I will if they're happy with that then that's fine and you know it is using of that platform if you will but it's because I think that's the thing in particular doesn't sit well with boxing fans you've got world champions even in this position. They shouldn't be in this position but unfortunately that's just where. The popularity lies in the moment. You look at the impact because it was so gone Strictly Come Dancing. You look at the popularity and the whole new generation of people watching Strictly Come Dancing purely because he was on it that's the following they've they've built and I've never understood this personally but I've seen people that really just really watch videos that their favorite is how is that any different perhaps the following our favorite sports people or our favorite musicians it's just a different industry you have a singer that might become an actor they're moving into a different industry for that exact reason and. As much as I dislike them going into boxing that is exactly how I see it they are just trying the hand of industry and I bring enough along with them and perhaps also as well it all boils down to the person because we've heard from you so yourself about views on Logan Paul nothing to extreme just and well I found that a bit distasteful I didn't really like that if we had Logan and Paul in K.S.I. Who were you know You Tubers which is fine however they have made their career in New Jersey but they were perhaps more wholesome rounded people in the eyes of the public and they actually then said Yeah look you know we want to make money from this event 50 percent of it goes to this which fund but the big chunk of it for the 1st 535 percent of it went to you cheap so that their original platform we're talking millions and millions of pounds is also a small personal thing is it like you know we want to buy into these characters as people you know and then be more support for the event. No I think probably to an extent yeah. You know you follow you because because you like what they do and I think this is just another example of where we buy into I mean I wouldn't personally pay to watch the fight but those people that will and they fully understand that they are paying this money to this far and some people might be under the impression the money will go elsewhere but I think a lot of people will also understand exactly what they're paying for just like I would buy something going to shop I know where that money goes I'm not used to buy one particular product because I think the money goes to about because it's a personal choice you make at the end of the day it's going to be personal preference not for me but it's for others this is to give you some idea of the fact the 1st part which ended in a draw as we said sold 1300000 page views now to give you a bit of perspective and a bit of idea of that and Joshua his last fight against Andy Ruiz or beer early on in the hours and morning didn't go past 100000 he hasn't hit a 1000000 on the Klitschko was just tipped over being so the only people in the Paris and his in terms of Mort Sahl I think there's only been 2 or 3 fights in boxing history of actually done more than that so if anything really it is a sign of the times in the world shifted what people want potentially I think a way morally that. If they actually went on the undercard of a bigger fight and try to attract an audience to that because I think that way you can see them genuinely trying to benefit the sport and benefit it for the right reasons as opposed to making money out of it or you know even if they said 50 percent of the money goes into boxing gym in London or America or whatever you know so I think the fact it's sort of their own fire and any is taking the spotlight away from boxes I mean they're big fights that haven't happened yet so I think boxing fans will be more hungry to see those fights and they will be this one so it's a really difficult one and again commercially for all the right reasons it makes sense and for those guys Undoubtedly I'm a sense because we're going to make a lot of money from it but where does it end I think that's the question because. Now where it's I watch I F L T V which is that You Tube channel is probably one of the few that I actually do watch and where they go right they've been got around to all the box and events for years Eddie heard promote Matchroom saying well you've cast it I'll stick you on the undercard now and that will sell loads and it is people wanting to see things that perhaps it's our nature probably shouldn't be saying and I think what boxing fans are fair in and again everyone on the inside of the sport probably except to play face and say that they you know agree with it they will very much are trying to lighten our sport shines a lot on our sport where as you know on the flip side of it people are not getting the necessary exposure will carry on going on. Doesn't really sit well perhaps with myself for people where this could be a regular occurrence now it OK Be it a one off but if this keeps happening so well who else are we going to throw into Are we going to go down the West End and find 2 actors that want to tear up are we going to find 2 people you know that the local shops that have done influences and make up artists when you do all these being the where does it end because there's a safety side of things now but it's where head guards are 1st fight. They don't you doesn't want them if you're gonna pay to view card may you know where and had God you were in 10 ounce clubs smaller cause more damage these people haven't trained they've trained but not trained to the level of box of rich reality or height or someone like that so where does this end is it something that we should look at our guys in the eyes of bent cut it there but what we see incorporate more more I think to me it undermines the professional status of some fighters who as we said earlier work work so hard guys who are in the gym hours or to get that train for and together for the really makes their career and for me is as I said if these guys themselves on and on the card of. American $52.00 young fighters then that benefits boxing in much bigger way than this one does it will almost create a fitter around there and perhaps doesn't celebrate the sport in the way it should be so is it difficult sort of tug of war between commercial. And morals and it seems like commercial in that quite heavily at the moment yes sorry I was going to say I think that is something that really worries me as well particularly new seeing the amount of really quite unfortunate that happened in books and taken over the past couple is to think these people are now going to be going into a ring with no protective gear and a lack of training in my eyes doesn't matter how long you try and in the space of time they never going to be developing the same amount of skill these boxes have who've trained for however many years there is a massive safety side to this and to think that this is being created if anything I think is quite upsetting and that is where I think it perhaps undermines boxing as a sport that you are lying to people who in my eyes are nowhere near as strange as they should be to be competing in the way that they are and I think the fact is held at the Staples Center in California gives you some idea of the scale of the event never almost I think it's literally a sellout about a sellout Canelo Alvarez are to be the pound for pound best boxset in the world right now struggle to sell that out phase and he's getting paid well I believe the figure was 280000000 over 2 years with Matchroom design the ustream provider in the U.S. But final question on this point before we move on to the other topic I know it's a lot more love and so you were boxing fan it's 10 pounds to watch it rather than 20 odd for a pay per view when you watch it. I think it's just the power of social media and You Tube Now once someone starts talking about something I think you become intrigued I mean even if you want a boxing fan. Everyone thrives of controversy I think and I think a lot of modern sport does thrive controversy but yeah I think maybe just to see how things panned out I put Yeah possibly would be on there and from a boxing fan's perspective but my sense that was a bit like me with Floyd Mayweather versus common a great guy recently I absolutely didn't want to know anything about the fight I didn't really believe in it but I paid my money at it and so they're going to watch I'll watch it you know and they're you know it's whether because their influences are they abusing their sort of titles and influence or but yeah I don't I it's hard when you know about you is about would you be would you feel you had a contribution to this event would you pay your money to know I'm not really a boxing fan personally but I guess for those that aren't suppose it's a bit like off now and you want to give it away. I mean I'm not crazy about you know you. Just it's not for me anyone I bump into the next month I'm going to be using. Every sentence I could cry but you know it's absolutely brilliant part of yourself your man that loves sports would you pay to watch as a vent or how about if you you know would you pay to watch I made a supplementary question if you're around your mates and as a few of you there they had it on would you be engrossed by it would you you know take in. I think I'd rather see Joshua Walter in terms of 5 you know excites me a lot more than this one to be completely honest and I don't I walk out of the room in protest for the 2nd one so I think I'll probably watch of intrigue because you want to see the levels and you want to compare And that's that's part of their spies is probably a part of the reason that some boxing fans who perhaps haven't heard of these guys watching him because they want to see it and they want to see the levels and. For some of them in my Shine opposed to law and box and so I think it's a difficult it's a difficult question a difficult topic to sort of have a have a right on to have a. Multi-faceted in a sense like he's going to say I guess on how to say thank the sports panel because gets so much in this isn't you know you can get on to a point and you've got so many different songs and there is no definitive process wrong and that was I feel like some people might watch as well so they can be negative about you know I mean they do it yeah because people just like trolling and you know that people just jump on a bandwagon and then so yeah and that's one thing that you have does do in these videos you know they say says about you know you know put their interest or unpaid of united by the fate that Barry had his father in fairness to famous at the margin before he took I was I DON'T WATCH IT spend 20 pound on the out any sleep will be enough people that will likely. Going to move on to our next topic because it's all about Martin's next right after this. Wow. At the. Back at the a out the . Back. At the. Next. Week the . 6. And Isabel can back me up on my. Lover's Starlight and funny Hoffmann I remember many Hoffman like that and fantastic video as well we did this earlier with Amy Williams our weightlifter who was in the studio and we played Roger Sanchez another chance and I was shocked to hear another great video of the big love heart that was out 18 years ago just let you know thanks for that Superman love us make us good even more. Our light did when it was 2001 zap me saying you know why you're for pop anyway we could be here to win the. Race is going to turn into. Very good. Videos popped up the weird potato people. Superman lovers Where are you where are you we need that comeback album but even on to our 2nd point tonight and about knighthoods and some of the owners were announced he'd been put up for the. Andrew Strauss Andrew Strauss England cricket set of course doing loads of work under the foundation for his late wife which has been so well received through Strauss I haven't seen any grumbles from anyone in the world there about that but the person the people had to back up a little bit was Geoffrey Boycott now Sir Geoffrey Boycott one of England's lead in ever test. But the few people today have been upset with his knighthood due to a conviction in 1998 which happened in France was convicted for a French court for assaulting his then girlfriend something Jeffrey maintained that you've never done and always denied but people have been coming out and speaking today go in well 20 years down the line 25 years down the line should we even gobs of time should we still be honor in these people would not who should does one blot on some of that mean forever but it's opened up a massive can of worms and of course other people have been given night hoods and M.B.'s and maybe Soviet been retracted you know the various things they've done but how does that sit with you guys the panel I'll start with you Hanna So Geoffrey Boycott What do you feel I feel like it's a difficult one because obviously to resume a the whole domestic abuse bill that she departed and I don't I think it's. Very bloodline because obviously we don't know well he denies it but I think yeah I feel like maybe. It shouldn't have he should have been on it because if that conviction is there. I think it sends out the wrong message when we get it I'm going to flow from all of you very quickly we're going to hear what he actually said you think it was well it's not just a case of a man has conviction from the past I don't like you and I don't he's I don't give a toss about it and he'll say something before the Today show wasn't that he called Martha he was like love and I thought it was a man he would have done that and I just think it's a little bit yeah I totally agree and I think this is it's Bill is it is a bit of a hole in the blood I think it's because if he hadn't come out the way he was so to finally today exactly a bit of context here we all do in a 2nd but bit of context to it people just tell me what I don't give he actually did explain the entire thing or whether that's wrong he did actually offer a minute explanation for going on and giving everybody a follow up so but we'll hear it in a 2nd but you saw it was about on the what when you heard about initially suggested book of the achieved and raise the profile of cricket in England when it was at a low point which is something we can't envisage being you know going back in time but is it one of those we think well it's the distinguished enough anyway does he need to manhood I find this one really difficult because I've grown up in a very cricketing environment I spent most of my summers at cricket I paid it for a while I could score like most my summers were spent in cricket and Geoffrey Boycott was one then that was synonymous with my weekends like he would quite often be talked about I knew who he was and so of my involvement with it with it was around these cricketing greats but I'd actually never heard of his conviction until today when the news came out so to suddenly have that come up and you think OK Right this is really confusing and actually reading into a bit more seeing some of the interviews that he's had about the subject before he saw the lack of any kind of. Acknowledgement or even empathy with the situation itself is really unnerving and to see such an eye pouring of opposition to it is I mean not just as a female because obviously men as well but someone that is so quiet spoken about the issues of domestic violence seeing that kind of behavior just makes me feel really sad and still seeing will see that same response we've had with a compliment the guy's name exactly so I do apologize but the chap who was charged with the. When it came to grandfather in the crowding on the outside is obviously for him as well at the moment I'm not saying opposition that we're seeing for that it's kind of been reassuring to see the public being very large opposition to both of those situations which does kind of help a little bit but I just can't comprehend it and it was it was really tough to read about and this isn't a premeditated stance you've got because like you said you found out about this today as did I was unaware of this convention it was and say what you can on this is I want your opinion on it because I listen to Test Match Special or listen to various other programs he's on your arse Jeff at the cricket you know you don't you feel what Legend that I don't hear about these things until you know it comes out generations later on what was also an issue for you when you saw the story break today. Similar to is in a sense you just disappointed I think when you see someone who's who raised the profile of a sport so much and is. Anyone who likes cricket is is a legend is the the legendary figure of English cricket really and I'll see him on test my special as you say is good on that value on that and. Yes it's disappointing it says hard to know where to stand because I think it probably depends on the strength of your moral compass but equally if he's convicted for a crime of that nature of which he hasn't shown no remorse or no degree of empathy and we're just it's just not right the night it happened yeah and sometimes you're better off hold your hands up if it has happened and then say OK I'm going to make steps to improve or make sure I educate myself and make sure I become a better person. And you almost reform what we've seen with Tyson fear in all the shows that he had and if he speak about it now it's probably a different different terms and you would have used perhaps 182 years ago 82 years ago. And almost that denial is is what puts it off and what makes it worse and yes it's a really difficult one because as a sportsman as a cricketer unbelievable but somewhat sort of places recalled. It is really sad because of for many ways because you want your heroes to be squeaky clean gold and that's part and parcel of it that you always want that. We're going to listen well listen to the audio now of him on to the on the show and we'll see what you guys think of it but this is the 22nd snippet of it where he's come to the end of his explanation partly explained one of the reasons why he left the European you why you voted to leave the European Union was based on the fact that he was convicted in France where he believed to have a fair trial that was his beliefs on it so it's coming off the back of that point here's what he had to say cross I have to be right or wrong good or bad I have to live with it and I do because I'm clear in my mind I think most people in England that it's not true although the chief executive of Women's Aid has said celebrating a man I don't get a toss about. 5 years ago so your political or whatever you want with. Victoria Darvish or program Sir Geoffrey Boycott. What do you make of that response there was that something of course. The tie clip where he's explained you know he says of course but when I met some of that to live with my stances it's not true they said they are and then some very flippant response if you like to present Oh I don't this is what she said I don't think even heard a name exactly what we hear a response in fact it just is a tragedy I think that a convicted domestic to be convicted perpetrator has been honored in this way it sends a really terrible message to survive at the time when prosecutions and convictions are going down and that's a Dina Claire there from women's age is the co-leader of that organization but but about Jeffrey's response there did cover himself much glory. Night you can't see it and I and you hear in your response there do you feel you are more inclined to believe his story a chain of events where he says. In several sources today which you can find online on various news but newspapers and tabloids is that he's always maintained that she tripped and fell. But the account from the French Quarter is he did assault her I don't promptly checked out the hotel leaving her there. Does that speak of a man who believes he is really innocent is us on this put the situation Betty doesn't really want to talk about it what do you really take from us or clip I mean I've seen the pictures she's foreign she's fallen on to some from within to react in such a way to me that it just sounds like someone who is either fed up of everyone bringing it up or is in such a strong belief that it's not true that it's almost a state of complete denial convinced himself. You. Know and it's it's frustrating that this story that's come out to those completely blotted any respect I had for him as a man because like I said that was someone I looked up to when I played cricket. But they say heroes aren't always what they indeed and one of the arguments I heard earlier on. I won't repeat the figures that were of the names of the people that were quoted but it's going to work I haven't seen a very long and before that with the yes but that's besides the point we're trying to move forward and we're trying to take things forward as a whole load of people that have done things have ended up in the owners but I think that's not really the point you know it's been brought up today because of that but really should they be checking out this and is it a case of really was it a party not a parting shot because Theresa may know what she's done with Reason A is a huge great team fan she was want to put forward Andrew Strauss and Jeff a boycott for their knighthoods should she as a woman and a prime minister should she have done more and actually rein that in and for Hold on a minute I'm putting this forward to only take some ownership of what I'm doing I think it just shows how privilege and I think it distances her even more from the general public and sports fans that she sort of blatantly Well I mean she I don't know if she was her thoughts on if she thinks he's innocent or not but yeah I think it just creates more distance between the political privilege and what's right and what's wrong I think almost demeans Andrew Strauss as one of the as well like the work he has done is. Amazing. Kind of Comfrey what he has gone for and still remains such a key figure in cricket career the work he's done I think to then be on the same list Geoffrey Boycott to receive. It was always quite. In that same that same frame people are going to remember this year on its list for Geoffrey Boycott and not fans of strike perhaps that should be right to be. Graphic I think that's the thing we should be and you shall soon how we build a one day side that went on to win the World Cup over 4 years and obviously all the charitable work is done after after his wife's death which is the remark was a nice piece on test my special with him in a graph on that so we should be celebrating him and also there were people who've gone isn't any feels ashamed talking about Geoffrey Boycott and the incident and I think the woman was spot on in terms of the messages sent out to survivors and people coming forward because. People who are not known and obviously we've seen the scandals in the past of instance of have gone and then in that case of people being afraid to speak out and that's something that that we should be encouraging as a society so to put these people up on a pedestal and show almost say that they are yeah and we're so right we'll ignore that part of their life it actually will celebrate the bits we want to morally and that's not right and it sends a completely the wrong message to the women who are suffering and have suffered with this and that that doesn't sit well with me to be honest you know no less and it's completely understandable I think there is this. Some people may defend Geoffrey and say well if you've achieved anything in the game you've become England's argue best of a cricketer if they put forward to you before this reaches the public say or anything like that knowing full well look God knows where he believes he did or didn't do it that put that aside could he have just gone and said you know what. And I think maybe think about me in a few years' time if that's what you really want to go down the road to go down maybe just a bit of pride perhaps and so I'm just going actually that did happen OK I fully believe I'm innocent and I did nothing wrong if he does truly believe that but if he if he did truly get sense if he did truly believe that he didn't do nothing wrong he doesn't really matter to me you know or you don't know I've done nothing wrong I want my knight said a lot of people turned him down David Bowie famously It was certain you could at that list several people have so you have the option to say no so it is a conjuring is a bit blind to some of the effects of the title some of things he's done is actually just blind to it and it's of case of we hear it it's just that age group we hear all the time basically for us the people in this room we are of a younger generation but some would say people are all that old but they're stuck in their ways that there is a case that Jeff Bridges Constantine's for that brush wrongly or rightly. Just deep in denial is sometimes that cycle and I completely agree with you he would have probably sought better with everyone if he had just did not like not accepted them I had Yeah I wonder just to reverse a little bit if it would have been different how you've been awarded a knighthood prior to the instant and what the reaction would have been around that because then I think there would have been more calls for me to be stripped of that So in that situation if you look at it in the light now you'd probably say well it's not right because as I said earlier you can't just pick the bits of people you want to celebrate and you can't just give a knighthood to Geoffrey Boycott career you have to give it to the whole person and so you have to look at that as a whole and sure nobody's perfect they make mistakes but that's not such a great date and I think of that's I think people got more out on Philip Green got me so full of great you know things are going on perhaps I'm officially with him still when he was only in there and things other people go Well if he's got it or notion him you know we're not looking at an area of his life but we're sort of are in this in is I think you've actually bought a really good point I think what people think the outrage over the poor people are getting from certainly the feel I've gone for social media say is the privilege Well yeah oh yes and I think it's like we talk about earlier influences I think they see themselves just so far away from the public and the people who well their audience is really it's just privilege is a very. Interesting word I think as a lot of touch to it and I think for many years when you're in the public eye you DO YOU HAVE A Yeah I definitely have a way from Israel Yeah and you become more and more protected I think I mean there was that awful coast in America young university student who thought the woman wasn't and he was a fantastic swimmer I don't think OK I got I asked her why do you think it's just come out you know if they released a memoir hasn't she she's released her real name I think I must have the respect that I think me is that she is just so brave to have done that and I think it's unbelievable that he only got 3 and no he got only released and he was 6 months you know they released some very believe all that talk was talking about was. Well it's my intention Yeah well what effect this could have on the him as a person and use in a thinking what effect does he know put on his woman for the rest you can I like that now what she's done is going to change people well I think the public don't have a great painting of him anyway but hopefully he won't have a career and he won't have a swimming courage just yeah sort of drawing on that you know I sit there and think what effect is this going to have on just people courts partner and I this is all a lie OK I think that's the one thing that I'm kind of thinking is you know where we're happy to sit here and have a conversation about should he have it should he have an actually you know when you exactly when you bring up these kinds of issues again and pick them up from the past Absolutely we should question whether he should have or not but the long term effects of this incident is not going to be completely brought up again for her and another survivors of this event is absolutely and I think that's what makes this such a frustrating topic. And let you see it panning out because it is a story that will keep rolling for the time being you when you expect it to probably be swept under the rug for a day or 2 in the 5th and final Ashes Test happens we'll be able whoever Geoffrey's represented that though because I believe he does do a couple of different broadcasters. What happens from here but I really I'm really intrigued to know is it a case of fish is tested been retained what will take it from here it's a very it's a really cute set circle she's all happened the very weird time and of course Jonathan Agnew be the man come and say are on my special is going for his own thing of the moment mentally not like that it's an argument with a journalist but he's been consistently warned by the B.B.C. Not to engage with this journalist and have Rouse online he's now come away from Twitter. But there so you main goal is what you did you still put him in an action and like nothing's happened or is it a case of a rest him for the upcoming time I think it might be the pessimist in me but I genuinely think the whole conversation mind it might just peter out I think particularly with the next test coming out people are going to be so focused on that and I can't see him being taken out of it because it's not like it's a recent instant I ever it's something people are bringing up from the past and I think to then take my it would almost be pandering to the discussion round and it could actually exacerbate the situation. About tactics now I think yeah I think I think you're right that's that's definitely what is going his favor in terms of time because if it had happened last week then it's a different scenario but equally I don't think that just because someone's a really good book are so that necessarily means that just because they. Commit and I like this it it means that they they should be allowed to carry on regardless because they're excellent their job it doesn't give people a clean slate to behave are they like and I think morally where we say we're sending out the wrong message to people who have suffered from this and will suffer from this in the future because we need to create a society where women are brave for coming now is the norm and it's what should be expected and that's where we need to shift to and almost events like this. Don't allow that to happen and it be a culture shift Yeah and so it kind of feels like we regress and go through the same debate every time and we need people of significance like that to really make a stand and commit themselves to educate themselves 1st and foremost and equally trying to send a message and ensure that they use their profile in a positive way as opposed to. Pin a smatter name I suppose and also bring out a base like this precisely what would you guys but we'll wrap it up here on this point I cannot believe the time. But would you have been right say a lot but you don't you commit a crime you serve your time whether that's inside or out people people would argue that you have the right to move on with your life and stuff like this I think that people are that's all you can a but the reason we're raising is because you've given a night and you're in these positions that people should have is it a case of someone makes a mistake or you know mistakes a loose workforce or makes a mistake once they serve their time should they be allowed to move on with their life after that what people are going more OK if you committed fraud which might not be which is a terrible terrible thing to do of course but is it morally better than or you know it's a real hard one do you do you think that someone should actually go well now you've had your chance sorry sorry Jeffrey we respect your achievements we respect if you've done for English cricket but this is one particular incident we can't tolerate happens when 5 years ago whenever it's happened it's a real hard one to you know. If you take that away it's a hard thing is it was a known conviction so you've already given him that job knowing that that conviction is there to then take it away now I would kind of just say well you know we're taking away your job because the public. Obviously opposed to it. I don't think that would be the right move at the moment personally because I think it's just playing to public I think I actually know as well I guess I can do whatever they want like you know exactly but I guess you know he would say I was an air Yeah yeah you wouldn't be giving someone that job in the 1st place if you didn't seem to be in an appropriate position to do you know when you were busted completely and yeah and we talk about reform I think the way he's acted to that what it did him to people in the sense that if he comes out and almost treats it with the respect they deserve as opposed to just flippantly batting it off and same was nothing to the man thats it. You know just because you have moved on that doesn't necessarily mean that you don't face questions and you don't face scrutiny because if you are in those positions of power and of privilege or whatever you're going to get those questions and you have to feel them and you have to prove that she have learned and you have educate yourself and I don't think his response proves that sadly my relationship when you write a lovely thank you so much for your time this evening as in for back to duty is called now you'll be at Karl Rove Trump in those now down to the to a fine point comes I say I magine write about my city's goals is that. They can take the game 7 large cities just where it goes after that but then again when you have a bench that cost over 200000000 pounds what do you expect it is about your back in action this weekend called when it will wisely be. Called will coach in tomorrow well coach and supervision tomorrow because we've just got some wonderful new qualified coaches so I'll be assisting them which I mix with a bit training in coaching netball Thursday night coach in balls that in morning I will also be tearing down my long hours on Saturday afternoon at the football or at least I don't have to write up anything else. And then I'll be back Sunday morning early and brilliant stuff and just a moment when your care right on Saturday and then your professional capacity and I know be a diehard fan bear in mind you're probably never going to see a team this good or either Carolina ever again aren't you Graham they are fantastic even with all those injuries they are still phenomenal man so you know. This is it but you know was it something that was it 299 points across the 2 seasons ridiculous goals it's going to be quite a sight and I have know your back after university you have got a lot of Shakespeare to read. Later my readings for B.B.C. Radio no good choices you have. Fielded questions from me or you know what I'm ever so sorry if it affects your education and don't go well you know who to get what went on the readings that you getting. On that with me are will put the new. Corner Isabel Hanna thank you so much for coming in tonight thanks Joe That's all we got time for on the game and it's been an absolute blast as always to next week where Phil Dollywood back actually won't it's me again while he's on his holidays take care good bye. B.B.C. 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