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But we should have awesome to do as one of our listeners has done on his own back you know the we we set out the. Question And. He's decided to go one step further this is Tommy in North Shields and he says hi guys on up all night I love superheroes and the films are some very. Early ones in my d.v.d. Collection from the 1940 s. And 1950 s. One of my favorites one of my favorite movies is Superman Returns just a great story of the guy came back to crypt and and returning to find that he still needed I go as far as dressing up as my heroes for enclosed We know new rules in a way. I'm going to have to describe describe it yeah describe it. Lisa we just see mailed it says well so widely so you can also describe it let me just say. Say that he has got the full Superman outfit out and those on the pants are on the outside of the costume. And they are eggs Krishi a seamy tight and. Actually I put this politely saw me in North Shields is an extraction large you don't know my goodness my goodness and see what I mean now yeah oh wow. So not very valuable. Thank you it's not that funny is it how it is. Think it is that I think it is. So we missed a trick. You need to have if he said he was not to take me not to be king of anybody you know me I'm not into that but if you do feel like you want to send me a photograph of yourself in your favorite Superman outfit feel free. I am going to tweet this one to me with your permission appreciate it oh yeah I hope he allows me to tell you I will tweet it is well he also put it on my Facebook page. Yeah just his way was 2nd just the same a lesson so I mean it's Ok to me because people people contacting me now same please to me to please treated please Teresa and you can be a star is going to go viral I assure you yes I mean thank you here in l.a. Look at how did you squeeze into those on the prince is my question Geno for the kids give us a good morning to tell you Oh I. Do my own know what do you know it's right it's like oh I love that I love a night like tonight then if that's Ok I really can't believe I won't let my dog and she know you have a no. Player I would play him well let me get back I feel a feel for the dog especially the moonlit night like this. Is as the Scots will say . Is it not so who'd small it is Moose lose a bit of this who's who. It's of when a breakthrough Leaks need. It's a player break. Did you know that was Scottish. According to Lord rocking it was 11 and. So you fantasy room movies well I love the super duper hero he is always good vs bad. Scripts that wonderful but. The out of history the cult color of the stuff the son passed but nobody gets killed although he nearly killed him so full of cases and a cool effect he can. Get interesting. And I could watch his Luis over and over they could say oh we can't kill. This. Leave of the show they always show whether it's one role. You know I think those 1st 3 kills you so that. Is fantastic it was fate but a.p. Is now he's no. No no he's probably about 60 maybe maybe late fifty's. Jackie Chan how I'll look him up right now because he would have been as old as because I always say when people love Jackie Chan I always think gee they should love briefly because Bruce Lee's where Jackie Chan got it from and have previously had with Will such with the humor but it was brilliant he was so brilliant and he looks I fear this is the school which is I think Jackie Chan is a little more charismatic and Bruce Lee When him really oh you're Ok maybe I'm not trying to funny but there maybe that is a female thing because I don't know I need a big and I generally don't know any gazes have not had a crush on Bruce Lee at some point in their life you know. When he's 63 Jackie Chan is a great. Guy you made enough movies to be eighty's f.e.i. See if I actually had. Some of the topping is terrible really movies but. It's just like Aladdin. Go to give. Prizes that I want to check to check and. Compilation fail it was just a play every so often it was the same. And that's when Dave Aldridge used to give out from the good old days yeah. Well. You mention that the media's you've seen a lot of them and the scripts are very good for liver lungs very good they're just good little bit shadowless. With a variation you see those Yeah yeah do you need a few more than that in the kind of movie you're talking about do you need any more . That's why Les St I don't like to watch while aside there was too much blood. Violence with violence plateful dissing although I don't see why why superhero has to be about as well as trying to write will the role is evil. And I suppose Jackie Chan movies are a nice family entertainment and what Jean describes is the ultimate family entertainment no real deaths no bad language and just good over evil to go over the face fine test pick this choreography. By choreography oh yeah Oh Mario was a hell of a the n.e.a. Ballet would be pleased to see some of this stuff he says because if it starts there's a cynical sometimes it just reminds me of those Roman Atkinson adventures and chocolate bar. Or the low road. When he's not feeding himself Oh. I try to know what. I me to try go to lose weight tell well try to look a little less. So I think joys of Mrs Miller Miller Yeah. I appreciate as well as its recommendation from you I will not only listen to Mrs Miller I will listen to this is even saying he's listening to it's my pleasure Hi Rich Life place from my yes yes that. I go just ask gently and nicely by the way it's one of those nights my lovely sister is back and she's so loving. And thank you for being so loving on the phone and Jane thank you very much and yeah have a good night good night Strictly speaking the release of Jackie Chan's who question . Well yeah yeah I don't think you know he doesn't wear tights and he doesn't have a superpower although some would say that his martial arts skills are super power you know with the special and all that is they yeah they're there they're way beyond what a mere mortal could do so I think that's an interesting question that she raised you know I'll tell you what women like about about Jackie Chan more than. Jackie Chan more than gently or. Jackie Chan is more amiable and he's funny and he's friendly. Lee was more he was scary he was threatening he was dangerous and he didn't have much of a sense of humor in it I mean even if he. Was really so good Gore go in go in go no you go you go in a limo So anyway that's what I'm saying from a female point of view I mean everyone every man I know who is into martial arts just you know is you know that they think Jackie Chan's kind of goofy in comparison . But women women find that not as threatening and not as scary and safer I think so that's why we got to lean towards Jackie Chan and then plus we're not as well versed well at least I personally am not as well versed on the the arch you know why the martial art scene Oh the actual execution of it all. It's you know that's that's something that big fans of the genre are probably not as big fans of Jackie Chan as they are. By the way all systems are go he stand we have a go he's done we have a go told me in North Shields and said Yes by all means retreat the photo it's on my social media you would not believe the views I gave. Also great comments from my many fans laugh yeah if they think you are seen from outer space they would they would. But you're not I'm just going to add to your thing me where Tai panty. Well that's what Kurt say there is what it's telling me there's a there's a why me I'm just a couple words people. Yeah anyway thank you for that so we appreciate. Your my social media when I was free and I'm going to enjoy looking that for many many years to come. That's for cross I was in a proper superhero for go I ask about this is what this is really talking about tonight with regards to superhero movies that have great storylines. Yes Chief films from coaches to town is Bruce is the Count of Monte Cristo played by Jim Kevin 0 is a very different perspective killings are yabbies old very different perspective yet it always seems very surprise she p. Hero esque with redemption at the very scripts hot. C.p.u. Is. Crikey that's a stretch Yeah I think it is a great book that was kind of months of Crusoe one of my all time favorite books it's just a book and that's a really good cinematic version of it that well that he's talking about with him can they sell it was that was I thought that was very convincing that was and that was a good one ready to reach and I'm going to. Do well I'm going to do the films I was I think I think he was yeah. Well no. Ok but not a bad update not a bad at let's put it that way and I think that's a book that deserves a you know it deserves a cinematic treatment for every generation and such a great story I mean that does have a great story even if it's not about superheroes. Markku j. Folks in d.c. Will. I think that's more of a that's more than like the horror genre would you say I mean not that wins that that was horrifying but it was more of a humorous horror film I think than a superhero film Ok Because if we don't want to confuse our monsters with. The same be particularly enjoyed when he became well Wolf and played amazing Boscobel. That was plenty What about James Bond haven't. I knew someone was going to bring that out of a gravity they have you know and we were actually my husband and I were discussing that earlier when we were talking a you know we're just talking about our favorite superhero movies and. Actually I think James Bond I think a good argument can be made for him being a superhero because hey he seems impervious to to damage I mean you know he gets shot me gets beaten up and he gets knifed and all that I mean never dies and also if Batman is a super hero without any super powers but just super gadgets why not James Bond I think the reason why he qualifies is that he's up against super villains and to be up against the super villain issue and not an old me no ordinary person should be up against a super villain that's an unfair match and it wouldn't work cinematically if you got a super villain you need a superhero to match up with the super villain that's a great point and you know what his superpower might be would be wit. That is not a power that's just something natural that we English have. As a stupor with though anything might get them out of drama but it's a mental trouble to have of course in 2000 specially the women anyway there's another story this is your the explanation to the difference between Jackie Chan and. Bruce Lee that you were asking about Mark the pendant says Jackie Jackie Chan is Coolio Lee had fist of fear e boom boom and said sure and he was prettier by far than Jackie that that's true yes very true may however the Silver Surfer was edgy about why did you have to bring in the Silver Surfer comare going to be a predator or that. Jack says Great is superhero George Best Man you know do you get that one which were Mr George Best joined United Man United are a soccer team and. As the 5th Beatle as he was known in those days. Ok. David Hitchens with us good morning David and I don't. Yet know anybody. L.o.l. I'm. Afraid I'm an older person I see forgetting things I have to at least think to include you know into one line sometimes it's Lisa he said you sad. Lisa thank goodness I'm glad you got a better memory than May. Have discarded written down I wouldn't thank you very much Alison friend of exactly how do you get in the might. Of those by Bill Jones and that work well for a chance a man. Saying Val was called the other way round ups. And Ray Davies But you know which of the superhero films the great scripts we were on is going to join the killed everybody is saying the 1st man. Because it was just totally human I mean we see him leave this planet in that all star thing. Live on earth and then become . Part of the 2 from a papal plane food yeah yes and about 3 years old we see him lift up the back of the truck much does that surprise. You remember that so yeah of course Satan cools . And they light on a cozy a joint a newspaper. Lowest lying and all that sort of thing and then we call come across Lex Luthor who decided going to open up the San Andreas fault and increased the value of. What they call it. So I property by destroying half of California. But in that process Lois lines car fell into the crack in the road because it was getting getting else including become a whale for a superspy trying so it was a 2nd while didn't it that's right yeah of course and. Then found out that Lois Lane a dyed through that earthquake anyway and actually made livid mad and. Oh is this the scar and yelled or what everybody said and then he decided he was going to change this and he flew around the backwards. North space station you couldn't even see he was there was just a lark around the world turn the world back was turned trying backwards here so they could bring her back to life so someone could think oh I. Say hello they Yeah he brought her back to life. Well and that is all so very human. Being a game of thrones in a Game of Thrones and you could never see who that Lois Lane either but why do you think David if because you like you say about the 4th person is wrong I said No no it's it's that 1st Superman movie that's got the best story line of all why do you think then Hollywood didn't follow that template with the subsequent superhero movies why did they get more and more source of less story line lead to more and more action packed on I wonder if it's because of this c.g. Only business way to produce impossible things. Mr Winship man was my it was about 9756 or so not that. Nothing has him to 9. 177. To 77 is definitely 7870 not Ok because our man by that time our military My little cousin you know. 7870. Ran Christmas time and I think it was the winter of discontent actually that winter where the dustbin men didn't take away the rubbish because I think we went to West End theatre and there were black rubbish bin bags all over the place you know in those days oh yes yes and I'm thinking that this c.g.i. Basin is changed. The whole nature of movie knifing didn't it instead of stay on sets which a lot people had to work on to produce. They could suddenly do the bluescreen etc and also it was likely extrinsic a Chinese in that time and we were seeing things on film that we were never allowed to see before. And effectively it became too much slam bang and. People doing bleeding off the things to one another. About Lisa. Yeah I think what he says I think it's the c.g.i. I think I think Hollywood has been really obsessed with what they can do it in the Switzerland show didn't the c.g.i. Come later than that much less or an army a decade later was a yeah yeah and but but if you remember that I mean that they you know they were Superman I think and then you know they started doing Spider-Man with Tobey Maguire although that was several years later too but there were there was an overabundance of Superman of superhero movies and the seventy's and the eighty's they weren't that many either and they didn't start really coming big until the ninety's and so and you know in the ninety's that was when people were really flexing their c.g.i. Muscles and then they ran into they rediscovered the comic strip origins of the rose in a minute yes Judge Dredd and that man and everything else oh yeah yeah. Yeah and that you know all the studios bought at the rights and you know some at d.c. Comics and some had some had Marvel Comics and people started buying the franchises right left and and they started you know they were well then you know into the next century they were an X.-Man and Fantastic 4 and you know so many and so many people are looking at the good side what do you know the ones that weren't as prominent ones that were not author milieu with Indiana and Indiana Jones is. No no no then you can venture that's an adventure film but not enough superhero not most if you are from because the late ones were a big kind of supernatural supernatural Yeah yeah with the yeah with the tombs and the gods and the you know those kind of things. You know well this is added the James one has the ultimate superpower it's not the way it is that he's British Well that's right. And nobody's told one of those bed. This is true nobody is talking about Kick-Ass yet says David Lincoln. I can't guess what a fun one yeah that's on the list of a tough 50 greatest superhero movies guess what a lot of fun I really like that and Will Smith in and causes David Darby a lot of the stories it's got here man is ultimately about redemption should there be redemption at the end of a superior movie some form of redemption other has to be there has to be some form of redemption I mean you know in the epic battle at the end and someone is saved someone is that is redeemed. Yeah always always has to be redemption that's and that's an important part of it yeah. Also about Jackie Chan you know which would be George Best I was a good joke for those of us from over here although I'm sorry Jack as you heard Lisa didn't have a clue what you talk about which is really shy. No less We've got a couple of other thoughts about the. Personally I feel Wonder Woman is one of the most overrated. Movies has Dell in London branded stand why women like it my favorite is Captain America Winter Soldier to see Piero movie but it's presented like a spy thriller that's genius of battle c j z d c b are movies presented to be different film genre sickie the films fresh and different 1st of all that thing of understanding why women like. This it just because it would see prettier. Oh for for Wonder Woman. Well it takes Ok it's a period piece to. Hughes she's dealing with people in World War one. And I think. Me in particular I know a lot of women love period pieces you know we love you know we love to go back to a different a different time and. And so you know that's that's Wonder Woman's there and that's one of the also going to be a During things about Captain America that's one of the reasons that people like that so much I think is because Eve got the vintage quality to it. You know some of that that time worn by Tina too in the glamour of. An era that happened you know that took place before we were born so that's it but the origin of Wonder Woman is one of the favorite parts of the island where she comes from and the women the female warriors train and and you know perform all these it's sort of that island is a little bit it has a game of thrones feel to it you know it's it's that kind of place and and all the women are very strong and brave and noble and it's just so refreshing to see a number of women like that and then one stand out and go forth and save the world and be really dedicated to good into heart into love she says that's why mankind should be saved because they have the power to love. And it's very romantic actually got a couple for watchman Matt in Devon says watch when or if you prefer something much more lighthearted maybe Flash Gordon and the phrase a milk machine is a frozen milkmen in West Sussex says the best for me is watchman a best c.p. Hero movies ever born trilogy vulnerable exploited a very human character says Ross rose in Lancaster. He's got a point. But no no Jason Bourne's another one that he really doesn't have any super powers I know. If we allow James body for the willow from the British we have to allow Jason Bourne as well but well he doesn't have any he doesn't have any cool gadgets either Iraq or the last scrap of immediately that other than his fists Yeah yeah exactly. Ok well there's lots more by the way lots more. Well question is a question superhero vs super villain Jules I think the best friend would be the Incredible Hulk vs the doomsday beast that was going Jimmy Carter says Watchmen as well as a c.p. Hero movie a good story here which when everything good gives Superman one a run for its money. Yet what Watchmen is it that's got a real cult following Yeah yeah it's either oh and Sony will have to go for Kick-Ass as well. And it kind of a construction he puts the c.p. Ro thing which is true isn't it it's a deal yeah struction of the c.p.u. Or anything I'm $59.00 says out of Northumberland I love Dr Who and the Daleks. To his e.p. Hero in the stuff he was today did he do you know don't see him they said yeah well you know and that's an interesting one to bring up because his superpower would be what time travel I guess which is I consider that a super. Feller if you only call and tell us yeah he needs a phone box to do an old fashioned police phone books don't have the latest this is really a pleasure as always is lots and lots of takes about this and thank you to everybody you contribute to really fascinating photos of this warning all about superheroes and the best storylines in Superior movies later thank you thank you Lisa Jo's a man delve a chill of course Richard Miller we talk about movies are this good the later is for I love her blood star is Nick Paton. 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Obviously I can see how that would be a very popular type of subject for pod cause because you can't go wrong everybody was in a how make food and get suggestions on food and just keep them in their locker if nothing else even if they don't try the margins on and also there are so many ways I suppose to sell food you know comedically intellectually historically and all that kind of stuff it can't fail surely as a podcast has no I mean it's it is a very very short when you search on your recommended your favorite part of cats that culture Yeah it's a very very. Widespread thing but you know feed in particular is there's a lot like you said there's lots to get wasted to package that up but Sam Yeah it's one of those things way if you want to listen to something in particular you're bound to found there but you're bound to find what you're looking for out there but your 1st recommendation is to do with language and again I wonder if you do it right this is an easy one for a pod cause because you know we do our own gramophone you know how people are so passionate about I guess. You know one of those 2 blows you do that gramophone you know the over love. Because you can go to so many different we all use language one thing and we are all fascinated by language different ways of using images tree and so on and if you get the right people I think it's crucial that you get the right people to present a podcast on language otherwise it will sound a bit too academic if you want a wide audience Yeah absolutely I mean it's all about the way they tell him as they say so this podcast in particular is it's called and that's what they say is from n.p.r. And it essentially started from a 5 minute segment in a radio show that's kind of the. Ross and into its own pod casts So part of a radio show on Michigan Radio in the States and what happened is university professor and bass he studies linguistics and history of the English language just popped into the studio to just talk around a little nice to the English language and that little segment in itself grew up and has its own fan base now and it's still on Michigan Radio every Sunday you can hear it on a program with a woman called Rena Miller and I would really recommend this one if you're interested in particular of the science of of what language and in particular that the chronological order they've elation of language and how words and expressions came came about and how we use them in the modern world and it's like I said it's only 5 minutes long so it doesn't take that much time and in this particular clip they talk about the difference between shall and wail. There's a rule out there that creates a clear distinction between Shell and I will but we as speakers do not seem to respect that mine and it looks like we never have that's what they say good morning I'm Rebecca crew friend joining us now is University of Michigan English professor and Kurz And good morning and good morning Rebecca and I don't know where that line is that I already know that I don't respect it I never have you and pretty much everyone else I was floored by the way this came to me this question came to me from my friend's daughter apart Gita who was asking about the lesson that she had just learned from her 4th grade teacher and her 4th grade teacher had been telling her that when she was talking about the future she should say I shall and we shall but he she it will they will and you will have you ever heard this rule know when I'm starting to question my English degree. If your head is spinning you are not alone this rule goes back to a grammar published by John Wallace in the 17th century and the idea was that for the future you expressed it differently in the 1st person I and we versus the 2nd person you and the 3rd person he she it they for future you would say I we shall and for all the other ones you would use will and then for obligation as in something you need to do have to do you would say I will we will but he she it they share so what if it's both an obligation and it's happening in the future if it's an obligation then you're supposed to use the whether it's will or shout for the obligation now people have looked into this to say even in the 70. Century was this how the language worked and it looks like no there's a wonderful entry on this in Merriam Webster's Dictionary of English usage and they've got examples from for example John Dryden where he's using. To express obligation as well as future so you can see people going back and forth here's a nice example from Lord Byron 816 I shall delay it till it can be made in person and then I will shorten it as much as I can Merriam Webster in that guide has a wonderful conclusion and here I quote the traditional rules about shall and will do not appear to have described real usage of these words very precisely at any time though there is no question that they do describe the usage of some people some of the time and that they are more pleasurable in England than anywhere else that probably is the case in all you have to do is mention Lord Byron you've got me . We didn't need the music at the very top did we don't yeah I suppose it's when you're producing a pod cast one of the biggest questions I always get asked you know what do you have to do to do podcasts and as you very well know it's it's a platform where you can do what you like but yeah I think it is only 5 minutes I get straight to the point and it's a nice bite size weekly thing if you're if you want to brush up on your your knowledge of the English language I do I do I do but I also want to know like a lot of our listeners how do you sleep at night not you personally how does one sleep at night. So I've talked about a.b.c. In Australia quite a few times in the past and they've just had a lot of. Investment instead pod casting brunch and how do you sleep at night is a fairly new podcast hosted by Sarah McVeigh and the concept is pretty simple it's about people who do a job. Which you don't necessarily on the well I say you in the widest sense the word Talk about English language that a lot of people don't understand why they do the jobs that they do and so they talk to people maybe in the financial sector section segments and they talk to people and who do jobs that don't necessarily morally see it doesn't seem to make sense and you know from you know get they game hunting is. People it work in the alcohol tobacco industry and it's produced in a really nice way as he expect from a national broadcaster like a.b.c. And. It's one of those things where it really does make you think and talking and listening to somebody from the industry talk about a job opens your eyes to their. When I 1st asked them to speak to me they said they have a new strategy they've decided to be more open with the maid they said. They've invited me to a party they have put on for the great business community they're around 40 men sitting around this eating fat See Can a Paisan drinking expensive champagne to understand where we are Patrick's tool claims shaven and comfortable in a shop Suit. His job is to impress people and he's got his lines ready and shot has been around for a very very cold hard fact we've had survived all those small groups. As you all know your style says history it's a very very old people have been using to buy the products one of. The products were 1st commercialized $1500.00 and even today w.h.o. Estimates still will be around billions of dollars in the world and 23rd quarter dado World Health Organization is bolshy and we're just so thrilled to give them some of their time to come here to listen to. Our vision and share a vision. Thank you very much. I'm curious to know how someone becomes a tobacco lobbyist Does anyone have a say when I grow up I want to work for a cigarette company. David McCullough hopefully we've got you back those who for a moment. I can see with a scone I can understand it's not what I was expecting and often enough as I spend my time surfing the net interest in part because I often find myself clicking on or downloading a podcast that is the. The product is different from what I expected it to be or the execution of it is different we're expected it to be from the title and sometimes a lot of times I feel disappointed you know I thought slightly disappointed. Really this is the way she goes into a subject I suppose. It when she talks she sits down with the person and she she she asked quite like I had questions and so maybe it's something that I don't really think about I don't smoke myself I'm always interested in people it is a job and I suppose if you're curious nature about how the world works I suppose it just gives you another insight into industries that you don't necessarily understand. You see then you clipped the wrong thing because if I'd seen her going to go to war up close and personal somebody from the tobacco industry and say how do you sleep at night you know you're industry kills millions of people every day how do you sleep at night how can you face yourself in the morning that's what I expected Well I suppose that clip demonstrates the production valleys of you know actually actual ism in terms of recording. Was actually literally lobbying at that point and that's what I particularly found interesting it actually shows him doing his job. And I suppose that fits it's not a journalistic program it's more the case of just giving you that that that that little bit of insight in what makes him tick and that is interesting that you talk about the journalism because this is the one area which podcast differ as opposed from a recognized radio program is that you don't have to be balanced you know you can go on a tangent and not present the balancing point of view absolutely and you know broadcasters like a.b.c. That and the baby say to that extent you know you tried that line between journalistic impartiality and actually making a program that is engaging you can be both of course but you know it's one of those things where you do need to be careful in terms of the programs you pick and if you're trying to do something from a journalistic. Journalistic integrity guess I don't know. Is cult cult historical figure if literary fictional historical figure if you like my way so anything that could say is reading is proper culture's drug. Yes So it's it is one of those things that part of casting if you're into something in particular you can type in your favorite artist your favorite writer of your favorite t.v. Personality and so there will be something for you and there is consequence a for us move our birds and the original good security as a young person in Roots the t.v. Series Oh I see it as a reference yes really put a bar bet I funny enough I know only from from podcasting I know it sounds crazy I know money for roots I recognized him one night when I saw his face from Star Trek and he is almost a this and mazing television legend especially in the States but what I love about our Betson is his voice he's got the most incredible voice and I think he's built up or a station. Particularly in storytelling in the States and now around the world and our casting is the perfect medium for him and his personality and his voice to come across. And in this podcast reads he picks he Ampex himself piece of short fiction and reads the stories he and you know is short but fiction fits perfectly for the time that you generally listen to a pod cast. And for me this this one groups me from the very start a small instruction the beginning and then he goes on to read it in its very idiosyncratic way and he picks new and very exciting writers they usually want to ward as well and in this particular story is called a 1000 year old ghosts if you're ready let's take a deep breath. Ok . 1000 year old ghosts by Laura Choudhary. Popo taught me to pickle memories when I was 13 it's just like cucumbers radishes cabbage I learned to cut them into even squares. Memories cut like apples and knife slides through their protective skin with a crisp snap I packed them in jars filled with salt sugar vinegar and water no herbs and spices because they can distort the memories make them seem too sweet. Too bitter it's a family secret she said to me it allows you to forget forget why I asked anything forgetting does not come easily to the women in our family we have our jars what are we trying to forget. So many questions chop this into smaller pieces. Well. There were great outer as you say it isn't classic in the choice of what he chooses the as well debut with Americans was not about Russian. Americans is in terms of culture it's very topical and very much reflective of the American society and the politics that are going on over there at the moment that hosts a beach out on a back threat talk culture and identity what makes modern Americans American and it's a very reflective cultural commentary on race politics. And. There's seems to be a lot of soul searching going on in the States at the moment and the direction that the country is going and this is essentially. A pod cast which tries to bring a positive light to the diversity that is that you find in the United States and in this particular clip I mean Rebecca discuss lives The Secret Lives of immigrant parents. Took a chance to integrate the u.s. From Cambodia a few years ago Valerie who lives in l.a. Called her mom in Seattle to ask about those 1st years in the States. So we have a sponsor when they talk at the church every Sunday was that weird at 1st kind of weird and then I kind of like it because I got the part to people they teach me how to speak English but where Burgess I don't know how to tell them because you had to respect them when they bring you here you know so I had to follow them do you remember what it felt like when you 1st like went out shopping it's all American people are fairly Asian and then Miami very close different or I will wear sort of home and then I will go to shop with you and you try to have Mommy carry all the grocery store American people are not always like Oh my daughter you thought you had to have your mom so you were in you know like early twenty's right when you came 21 but I feel like I'm not $21.00 you know I always feel like moms and I was 15 Did you like want to dress like the Americans because you know it's like that early eighty's mommy to go total food bank pick up some Khloe you know it's old crow but there's still good but I become I go to school people thing I was like stylist oh my Go on I think you go shopping all the time I see no food. In Cambodia they look down to you you know when Mommy don't care because on a person I just tell that you'll. Remember like a favorite outfit you found that was exciting the b.-o. Bottom. But they looked so cute on my so I'm so exciting. When I was free i.v. Of the bill bottom one time my brother almost killed me Cole he thing that too sexy or something you don't want me to wear and now I can wear. A. And did you like try like the eighty's hairstyles I go poem I have one time a cup my issue or so my head look big you know yeah I remember. I like that his. Perm or you did you go to like a salon or. Me really cheap so I got me and. I called. The out. The outta was the out the exit.