And I'm. Welcome to this week's edition of folks seem. To. Be. A. Moment a. Like that one McLennan babies from my cast Lizzie hounding him a gives me great pleasure actually to welcome Lizzie Harding into this week's edition of folks in and thank you so much for agreeing to do this thank you for having me know it's growing says you know especially while you present in the Northwest briefly that you know yeah it's really good that you've come along and you're probably aware of the fact that I suppose we've been touting glisten. Program over the last few months since the album came out really and you were of the fact that it's created a little bit of a. Yes No it's a it's a nice feeling to have knowing that the album is doing all right in a high style of yet well there we go yes because of course you're a student at university level yes which I only knew you know 10 minutes ago you told me about yeah no I absolutely love mastery is a pay when I had family in the we're also even more connection to the area would you want to yeah yeah sort of yeah to Apia Well I mean regular listeners as a mention will already be aware that listen yes. One of our favorites here a favorite of mine since the release of around dusk last year in fact the album made it into the streets for Oaks in talked hand of 2000 I'm telling you about it is never very well so tell us a little bit about yourself Who are you what you do when etc Well after studying music at the University of Liverpool I moved back home sort of unexplained expected Lee really and I actually thought I went to my local Folk Club which was what for it and I started doing their sing around so if I did a couple of feature spots here and there and then I entered a competition called new roots which is really good for musicians folk musicians under 25 and since then I've just been gigging all over the place and. So you've got a full calendar of gigs and yet last year was it was just amazing it was mainly in the southeast but some in the middle and some in the southwest like some really lovely lovely clubs and some lovely festivals over the summer as well and it just I just had such a great year and with the album coming out in June as well it was yeah it was just an amazing time for me and I'm just hoping that Okin Tinubu So you're on the road really the typical folky kind of you know one stop a one stop Yeah yeah exactly so built up around the whole bit euro area were you a bass to begin with yeah definitely and we're just did it just get out was it word of mouth Well part of the program with the new roots competition is that they gave you opportunities that you wouldn't necessarily be able to get on your own whether it be asked of Ole's and I did that in 2018 so by 2019 a lot of those organizers that came to the competition were starting to book me and it was it was just it was a world where in summer it was very well for you great system great skiing and it's not done through work so I think it's run independently it's I thought because it's run into an open so I thought it was a local competition but. In the year I did it some boys came down from Scotland when a band that's a sin people from Northumberland I was really a national affair and I just had no idea that it was sat there on my doorstep and that they all seem to be kept in touch with the new. Some of the people and still doing music with some of those people as well serve really made some good friends of it as well Axel and that's really just good to think that there is something in place for young people who are interested Oh definitely because it's dead trendy again it's. Not like Naldo salts like myself. Now and it's fascinating and it's also good to think that it's more than just regional as well if Yeah yeah it's great and it's really nice because they give you opportunities in regions that you wouldn't necessarily go to yourself like the Scottish Caylee back that came down they got gigs in the southeast that they almost certainly wouldn't have been able to get off their own back yeah yeah so what brought you back up to the northwest and was just part of the network that you got involved in well no not really it was actually I was doing love folk festival in Southport yesterday because feta magazine and Neil King who runs that and put me on the love folk festival as part of his task folk stage and yeah it was a lovely opportunity to come back and do a bit in Liverpool in South Pole and then the university connection I've got a gig there as well and it's always sort of happened in a very short space of time which is a lovely Let's go deeper I mean we should say that we are pretty recording this just after you've done the yeah i think i'm actually before you play and Wes Kirby Indeed yes so this will go out after you've played too much yes or yes all goes together well but it's a fascinating time for you then isn't it are picking out spaces places that you you might say are very like the place the sounds and you know I remember as a youth me some people and some of the places say well I'm not playing there anymore yeah there were a lot of very interesting time for you one. I didn't know until kind of our dinner I picked up somewhere was that you've had an e.p. Out before the album Tell me a little bit about that so it's called Long story short and it's it's actually quite a long e.p. It's got 6 tracks on it. But I when I was doing starting getting into of late 2018 early 2019 I felt that I needed something at the gates and also to send you know people like yourself radio Yes promoters that sort of thing I needed something physical to say and so I recorded a pay sort of half traditional arranged tracks and half my own to represent what I was doing and have something to give to the public yeah. And yeah so if it did me quite well until it was a place marker for the album yeah yeah it's an interesting we again we were talking just a little bit about this before we came on air and. All of our friends of different ages they don't quite get the cd thing you know less they're involved in the focusing I mean Focus need to see they dramatically Anyway don't yeah something else to add to your income on the evening go down you know and also I don't know how you feel about this Leslie but I always think and again I've said this on a thing this that the dynamic range of a cd is far superior I think for radio than well there is no dynamic range really on a download you know loud isn't loud and soft and soft Is it on the town where if you can you know hear it on a cd and I think it's very important in your case because of your voice Yeah you know you need to express yourself at certain stages and it needs to sound louder than the previous pm really hasn't been that you know and I think that the cd is definitely you know very very important in the respect I really do let's have another selection from dusk and this is the album you know excited about and I'm still excited about you know I'm not saying that it takes a lot to get me excited or anything but it I thought this was an excellent really really great time in the opening song. Just completely knocked me out completely and it still goes really the start of gold and you mentioned before that quite a lot of people are playing but particular track it seems to them Well yes down the rounds and yet people seem to enjoy it's feel good but it also says something it's not just the fact it feels good so yeah it's a big song is yes yes and the songs are really cool and yeah and so many people have done really excellent Bay songs and you know people like round peg and Nancy care and that whole album of based on this is phenomenal and I just thought oh I wonder if I can write one of the I think you can. Was. Have the same goal to. Use. I'd say I. Say that's a hit record really it certainly is a hit record on folks and it's one of the it's here because about loads of people e-mailing me about it yeah asking me to play that's really a good answer so I haven't overly responded to people who it was a don't want to flood people with Lizzie Hardy Yeah obviously you know but it's a really really strong song I think I'm not a banjo player who's on the banjo it's a friend of mine I actually met through the new roots competition called Ellie McCann and she sings on her own she gave the same source sac is May and she also gave with her band doc who are really really great just starting out and they're they're doing some really lovely stuff with 3 part harmony and banjo just you know that name that brilliant burdocks as in down the line and yes. Well my favorite drinks as a kid she's a really nice play I mean she's playing she's not over playing yeah yeah definite gives it space Yeah yeah and it's very important I think when you're picking up string banjo so yeah and it's you know I think you need to give us what don't go my hat Yeah don't go mad on this so just think anybody just just joined us we've got Lizzie hounding him as a My guest today and what she's co-presenting the program in actual fact and I'm very pleased to say that she's with us one thing I would like to ask you about and because it's quite it's always of interest to me is about your influences music or artistic ecological maybe as well talking and what about that Lizzie when I'd say probably my biggest influences are those canons of the folk and folk rock scene I started seeing I started going to Fairport pretty convention festival. Actually while I was still in the womb so I went for every year until the resonances to the resonance of the family had an effect. But yes some people play Mozart while they're in the womb my mother played for Paul it was neighbors for my daughter. She used to go to sleep when they was on a bit of time she must've known here. But you know I started going to the festival and it was really. I remember from being a really young age just feeling safe and comfortable and also having this wealth of music playing for the whole weekend and it was it was really formative and some of my 1st purchases with my own money so I bought in 2000 I bought Criswell and really Matthys album stages and that was the 1st thing I'd ever bore soley with my own money at airports property convention died in the wall yeah yeah yeah and yeah just people like Sandy done a fair poor Chris while in jail or Matthews who are so much a part of that scene and evocative of a certain time it's just as beautiful music. But also Yeah lots of influences Since then I've done a lot of musical theater so that sort of I get asked quite a lot whether power comes from in my voice and that's from musical theater so that sort of a wealth of training is invaluable really did you pick that up at Liverpool who are always you know it was before I did that school and then I actually ran the musical theater society University along with some other really talented people and it was sort of my career goal for a short while. But yeah I just loved folks and I'm told you decent folk in traditional music. I mean do you see yourself as a single songwriter or is a kind of an interpreter or a tradition or a bit of both or less a really difficult question I get asked that quite a lot and it's quite difficult it depends where I'm playing what gig it is because some some places I'm a lot more traditional and I indulge in that sort of folklore and indulge in lovely lovely scene in some places I'm a lot more contemporary and I I play the songs are a bit more about me as opposed to yeah you know an awful woman from 18 for to say yeah yeah but I'd definitely say a mix of arranging and interpret ing. Additional music and bringing it to a contemporary audience but also yes of course I am definitely a singer songwriter Yeah and you have any single song writer influences in that regard it's cliche to say that people like Joni Mitchell Carole King and James Taylor and I think that's really it's got Connick sound yeah if they are iconic and I think there's there's also a lot that you can do with that stuff as well as not mean the singles themselves did or just became your friends with them I was listening to a Joni album came out of a not so long ago called My Favorite Joni Mitchell is actually I shouldn't say this on really but it's the hissing of some along Ok yeah there's an album that came out called the seeding of some along the way in here Joni couldn't read or write music because she could barely play in many respects it normally because she had polio when she was a kid so if you could you couldn't press on the strings so she kind of just reinvented tunings you know yeah you know it didn't. And the seeding of some alone sees her singing the arrangements Oh wow nothing really good yeah I mean if you listen to it there's another 1000 songs in there the different melody lines yeah definitely amazing person and you know somebody who I've always thought it's a good job nobody came to her and told her to read and write music yeah I would have taken the love of it saying leave it on the thank you but you cause you need that for musical theater though I expect definitely yeah had I perceived that it would have been definitely all notation and reading and writing but yeah hopefully I'll still get to do a little bit of it in the future Yeah you know you see these amazing folk artists like The Young Ones are doing the ballad of young long stuff and then you know that verges into musical theatre and the transports this thing you know exactly and all of that great performance based stuff that is also. The folklore is integral to it as well so I'd love to do something I know I'm going to shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath. So we can have babies what about the smashing album how did that come about was it a long process. Saw brainstorm and is it yes that you know how did that album come about well it certainly was not a long process I set myself a rather unrealistic deadline and I so decided that I wanted to do an album a full length proper out because I was starting to do a full length smaller headline gigs where I just felt like an impostor not having an album so I I set about recording and I recorded a good few tracks that I really really loved and part of my set but then I also felt this is an opportunity to do a few that aren't part of the set I don't get to do so often like there's one on there called Cheshire man I almost never play live just because it's a chain that already exists and a lot of folk artists you write a song and then the next day you realize that it's a popular chain yeah. And I think yeah I think at one point I saw Greg Russell live and he said I apologize I wrote this and this is the star of the countdown that's exactly what I did was just a man. But it's inevitable you'll be fiddling around on the guitar and find a bit of modal. And you play open tunings by the way mostly in Dad get sort of. Funny around with other thing yeah takes me here it is yeah yeah well you do say that is what is it Martin Simpson said the guy was mc in the Martin Simpson game Northwich and you'll know what I mean when he said he turned around and said Well you know of playing with the color and chocolate tropical cyclones and he said they really introduced me to the missionary position. That was a really nice really really good not great album Let me sort of ask you if you'd like to give me a track that you are really happy with and we'll play it because it's always nice to do you know I quite like come river chorus because it's got all the musicians I love on it and it means something to me yeah and I go somewhere I think. As the old to put to sea a very very distinct a right. For it was. His way. Call the. Lights and say. John it was. Lucky. Bugger was the. Call. Was it. was 6 6 6. A really. Good. It's. You. Did suck. Up was. Love. A. Lot. He's. Hot. Thought. Not. On. The planet. Stronger. Was. Radio my son. Yes Mike broken hands especially edition of folksiness week with Lizzy haunting was co-presenting not only is she a guest but she's co-presenting here I am but she's got a reputation say that about you know she talks a lot so that's what we want and I am going to well it's now it's great to have a with me we've been so delighted with their album dusk which came out last summer I've been playing it at home and on the radio quite a lot and it was lovely to find out that Lizzie was playing in our area as well as I say this is going to go out on the Sunday after she's played played West arts and we should be a Greg lovely room you know that. And then is it in March that you're going to be at the yeah the 11th of Molesey I know that I'll be in Liverpool University in the league at a thing. Which is one I used to play out a lot when I was in university so it's a real throwback and yeah I think value to university throwback to you know. Of the good that's really nice and it's a pure in the day or is it really gets a lunchtime. I can't actually remember the exact time well I'll get all the details Yeah it's going to be a really nice one. Well I think actually it might already be very close to so really so anyone anyone listening to you take it into a 10 but it's one of those ones where you just have to read just like a ticket but I think last I checked there were about 120 seats registered having sold and I think it seats 135 something and you register with the Department of Music that yeah yeah yeah if you just search University of little lunchtime concerts then come out sounds good well I'll recommend over the next. I ask Lizzie to select a couple of tracks that she likes and or is currently listening to and interestingly enough talk about taste being similar the 1st of these is John Barleycorn from Jim Morrison latest album but his last latest yet been out a couple of months they are so what is it about him Ari. You know. That well actually I came across him properly for the 1st time through false lights when I saw him do their concert the 1st time a folky just exactly and I just he's such a consummate musician and he does such interesting things especially with the album . That was that was just stunning and I just hadn't really heard anyone do anything quite that stroll. And it was all I played. Really for a long time before I fall right into folk music so it was really lovely to hear that both come see I guess it is that idea of fusion Yes not always judge. Yeah that's what I'm John Barleycorn especially because it really builds I don't say it's such a so of folk. Story such an every body has as a listen to any ballads and any traditional songs anywhere and he's just he his version just really plosive and really interesting to hear that the version would have been sung going in the last few weeks probably would have sung over in Lincolnshire with an hour so they so that really interesting celebration the so to comes before Valentine's Day Shrove line I think it's really a grain of the soil of the fantastic if you play it yes please Ok oh. My love. This I. Love. Stomach's. Looks. Well you'd be. All up. With the tug. Of War. Some. Must see where. Some of the store. You. See. Come along crawl. Crash. She looks. All up. I love her the way. To. See. Her. From us. She has to. She dreams sees me. Playing the. Book at. The. Soup. Who can come up. With. Now bundle up soon. As long. As you. Say. C you were. Just. Trying to. Night she. Should. Be. Fine. To come to. My leg. On the. C. B. Yes funny it's funny sound in jumble it picked the wrong track over the thought of leaving an Allison Lee such a lovely lovely song such a beautiful one and actually one of the things I particularly like about that version and the track is the guitar Yass play in the 40s guitar that he bought from a taxi driver in Liverpool Yeah it was sit in the back of a taxi and I think you're talking to the driver he said I've got one of these you know it's kind of a ridge top thing you know the old yeah the old jazz used to play so that's only it and it really makes the sound just yesterday right so we'll play John Barleycorn there's a story everybody actually if you listen in this you have to go back into the show as well gives a piece of your favorites to that but it's a smashing album as well as it brilliant album such such emotion and such passion you can just well it's put into it and of course James plane the Unitarian Church you know the road which is there's a lovely sound and yeah it's on March the 13th. So keep your eyes on that one everybody will be repeating the information we'll be looking at new releases in gigs next week so repeat all of the information that you need for them but certainly you got to listen to German Unitarian Church on the road I think and it lives around the corner as well. As I that should be really good thing excellent stuff we were talking while the track the misplaced track actually was on about future gigs or such because it was very interesting to know when Lizzie was next getting back into the studio it's always a difficult time if you busy yeah sounded like you play nice women sometimes in Cambridge and Oxford 2 in London. Sat sounds like you're quite busy yeah yeah so very much you are quite busy are you thinking of getting some time together all of you already been in and yeah so I am so January wasn't so busy so I took quite a lot of time to start recording my new pay which will be $7.00 tracks for 7 cities and it was it was really lovely to get in and sort of start thinking about how that's going to sound and how I want it to sound say it was a really interesting time but it's you're right it's always hard to find the right time because you have to have played the songs live a bit to really understand them and get what you're actually trying to say. Before going into the studio so it's a really hard thing to juggle and you have to have it a certain level of satisfaction with the model don't you take that into the studio and you might dissent dismantle it I usually ask you but it is important that so and with you being being so you know busy it's good to fit it in so when is the when you explain he's going to come out the Endemol So pretty soon and I've got a video to go with one of the track is a live video it's a really lovely one I filmed just around the corner from where I live and it was it was really a stunning experience to be part of but yeah it'll be it'll be out at the end of March and it will just be called 7 because it will have one track for each of the 7 seas mainly traditional numbers or at least today. Ranged and half the prices will go to the Arnold great stuff well you will see me and I will not tolerate. We're going to move the selection as well actually I'll make sure it's the right one. Yes oh and evocative voice and a singular voice and she's from your oh yes or she she I mean she plays everywhere now that the last year has been amazing for her but yes she and she saw started playing around Cambridge in that area. The album still very well for oh it's just been amazing and it's got some amazing musicians on it yeah it's produced by Steve Hannah and it's been really bolstered by some amazing people in the music industry and she I just can't imagine anyone who deserves more success she's a brilliant light in a brilliant musician. By playing. On the bridge. With. lying still. We all feel. Slightly. Ta gone amok some. Good some. Great. Some sad song the steel beams are. Missing. Midnight. To get hot enough. Room. To get. There you were. Taught by Golden Arm. Behind the yeah no not. It happens all the. Greats I know my. Right yes stunning just stunning great great all Northern Line that Michel. Contemporary of the yachting I'm Cindy Yeah yeah she's she's just having an amazing success at the moment and it's long my continued he says but yeah she's pretty should be or as we should be around the festival circuit this definitely would be interested if we can capture very very niceness from the baldest Rose which is done really well yeah not just as a focus of them I don't think I think it's not across the board really I mean it ventures into that singer songwriter to be you know herself would say she's quite influenced by people like Jenny Mitchell and Carole King say a really. It's a ministry Yeah it's a broad thing Ok I always have to ask this so please don't think I'm Patrick or anything it's just a something that's of great interest to me and I do write about this and so I was wondering what you felt it was like just as we get towards to the end of the program close in the program for a young female performer on the modern folk scene I ask because being an old so and so I remember a time when it was tough for women. Stereotyping was pretty awful the Times even though it always has a sort of an eagle or Terry in this arch to it which it goes and yeah it's a fair enough thing I have. Far from fond memories about some periods of time during the folk revival that it wasn't a great thing for women at all it was the one that was allowed club you know definitely I just wondered how you felt about it because you're up and coming now you're getting plenty gigs you know that I have time for you and you also still work as well yeah yeah yeah so you got to fit all of this time in so how all things for you as a young woman in the folksy Well I think that's probably 2 different questions realistically because obviously youth in the folk scene is a whole different thing but being a woman is really interesting because like you said it's a loud club and that is still the case very much is have one song and I was a suffragette and I always make a joke at the beginning of it that I'm you know playing it to group or a group of men. And there are usually you know spattering of women in the audience and it's still the case it's just the demographic of the genre really. But it's really interesting being a woman because I don't think it's so much of a hindrance anymore at all because the folk scene and the industry is so supportive to especially young people they want young people to come and arrange rearrange and interpret and I suppose that's how folks lives on is an experience one has to evolve yes and they're so keen for us to come and do something with it and start running the clubs and taking on all of that lovely heritage that it doesn't matter whether you're a man or a woman or undecided from is yonder point of view it broadened out dramatically 10 years really so certainly in the last 5 years or so I couldn't believe it when I came back onto the in 2014 late 2014 to see the variation in what we now call folk in traditional news oh yeah seriousness yeah I think there's probably a difference between folk and traditional music because there are other people who still play traditional as written as collected by special sharp sort of music and then there's everyone else who interprets it who just tweaks it a bit makes it their own makes it all and makes it so that they can pass it on to somebody else but yeah going back to what you said about being a woman I think it's it's really interesting vocally people expect more from you as a woman. Because that tends to be I don't know whether this is the case or whether it's just my opinion but it tends to be that people expect you to be a singer and they certainly expect you to sing a certain way which I don't. I once had somebody come up to me again and say a while you know most folk female folk artists I thing like fairies you sing like a washerwoman. And I just thought. You brother. I hope that's what you meant then you meant with gusto No you know dirtily Yeah but yeah I think that is true people expect women in folk to sound a certain way and yeah Eva certain wipe it home all day and the fairy known delightful is the real voice it's not us not I'm not that's linked with if it is still there it's linked with a terrible stereotype of of women I mean you know it's interesting to see how few black women a still you know yeah folk scene you know to you know walk or going under new member to from history ready Doris and this and this and not be a Catoosa not see it you know I don't think of anyone now so it is an interesting subject areas yeah definitely and it's always interesting when a singer songwriter such as yourself told something a bit weird with Tristan It's not like this. C it's. Just. C 6 6 6 6 our 6. Queen. And. C 6 was. love 6 6. That's Lizzie hounding him and her verse in the trunk you tell it which I played on the show a couple of times already I think. I was going to say that's part of the thingy and . Yeah definitely my own version and listen I think this is what we want. Is really nice to sort of do something yourself in Iran and feel like you've got your own spin on it but of course there are always people that think you should be playing it exactly as it was and you know how to. Folk aficionados remain nameless . So if I came up to me after after performing it and said well that's not the version I learned to scold and why did you play the proper And it's something that you learn to expect when you mess around with traditional material but also artist like playing it there and moves it forward Yeah exactly it has to evolve well if he's been with us for a full on a photo only enjoyed this have all been great and you must come back and you can't laugh about everything I thought we just play oh well it was your idea of the mind of the false light Salvor album here because we're big fans yeah and so I thought we'd just play out with actually you know one of the best albums of the past 10 years and the great track probably on the show which I used to do this in front of the students and I'd get it open to You Tube And yeah it'll happen and tell him how old it was it's 300 year old song you know I kind of mine to it because there he is lying and he's pleading and he wishes that he's probably on the show and it would really go into the Yeah Yeah absolutely right especially when some come it was the stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah so thanks very much to Lizzie thanks for having me you're welcome and I hope I think goes very well for you but with Kirby and that's after you know we this is coming out after it's been fantastic I mean I'll see you next week and I'll leave you with a little bit of false light all the best. 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