Will. Still sounds great doesn't it the spinners that went there in my Liverpool home and I've got you Ian big from the spinners in the studio along with Jerry Jones who with John Haynes has written the full story of people McGovern song in my Liverpool home and that's 141 verses in his book and the singer songwriter Jerry French is well who no doubt is well known to you and make for some folks clubs in the area. Let's start with you 2 were you Do you remember the day that you 1st heard in my Liverpool that. Really because he was still is very close with a mate he was up as my Billy Billy many more yeah and. And I count a number of people are saying that because they used to do things like so vast and those of us you know listening in that club at the lunch break on the Dock Road Yeah and I think you I think he'd in my Liverpool home then you know the children is a traditional choosing girl the story Rose little roan about a Mustang on the holster couldn't be rode good but that he did it did he push you to you with the idea of you doing it or you know you got no no not so you know we just saw a good song and I. Like to yeah yeah yeah well let's let's hear a song for we come back to my them by the pool home later on but let's hear a song from you're together now. Well what you would do what about. OK Mike amaze all of the World Court at the moment so that's very topical Oh well we all that. You're salable isn't listening to relieve my way of good material you know 15 the world was a. You got so many slaves to come to those you love that. You know. But won't Joe Biden know well as they could have. Come money just the way. I judge you guilty 5 of them are going to hold one down done by you that must be done to puncture the a. Monkey a monkey and not a very good. Reason I told our life in a bowl. You know so many say such things on the island but it seems like a little bit about you a bit. OK you mean with. Jerry you've written a new song called Body about home your Yes Well. I would challenge to buy one of the put some lights dogs to write the back story of Mikey man because he said he felt that people gloated over a misfortune. And he by and he said What made you know a woman well what would make a woman take to the streets so I just had a little think about it in reverse the all the Mikey my OK Are you in the right key at the moment there. It's like miking maybe but not quite it's one of those. Gather around you say. Listen to my. Plan I tell. When I'm at. 8 The final. Distance. And the last time I saw William was at Prince's landings. On a young kid bound for Maverick. she'll Sholay find the last word she read shares ties manias Just. Be. Really excellent thank you very much indeed I wondered when you when you hear a song you wonder how the rhymes are going to take place and when you said starving I thought I wonder what you were going to rhyme it with and it was falling and that was really good and a few months ago Hank Marvin was on this program and he said he was very loved that he was now Cockney rhyming slang. People said I'm white Marvin when they were hungry Yeah. Now Mick I mean you've heard that favorite famous phrase 6 Degrees of Separation Yeah one person to another in 6 Degrees Well I realize that I read only this morning that Woody Guthrie met Albert Einstein so I can get from you to Woody Guthrie to Albert Einstein you can you know I was in 1962 Tony Davis now I went over to America on a. Teacher's trip. And Pete Seeger we previously met the range and worked for years to do and also whilst we were over there to be able to visit Woody Guthrie when he was in hospital. And we did we went along to to the hospital and we were taken into a room and resign Acca plank we were given 2 seats and then they brought Woody and Woody lay on this plank and because of his wanting to this career he was shaking shaking shaking but able to talk enough to sort of for us to understand of this issue Jesus said was Thank you for coming from Liverpool and we said well no we're just amazing to actually be with road rules from Guthrie. He. The way he called and he didn't Tony producing a CD that topic records were made of this business club and the Get It gave it to Woody and he certainly started reaching down trees buton. It's awful things are going with them the career that they seem to have no control of but he reached down into his beauty pulled out a pen and he passed its own inherent Sadr who signed this red hot for him and we were just wow wow that was what we so if it was a great thing very pleased we did. Also it was a south. He was really in well he was range a stressful enough it wasn't he he was smiling and talking to those in his own way which was very difficult. So. It was spose we would more in distress that he was in you felt there was a bit of a spirit there Oh absolutely absolutely because I mean we already heard about him when he was 1st just really you know used to write on the walls I ain't dead yet. And so that was it was a really important part of my life yeah and you know we shortly after that Bob Dylan made his 1st albums and a lot of people said he was a new Woody Guthrie How did you view him in the spinners. Exactly that really me yeah because I could see I think on his 1st album was only a couple of songs that he'd written and he had the Woody Guthrie hat on the sleeve and everything that I deliberately set out to be like a folky poet of American American literature and yeah I could see the potential of Bob Dylan and didn't particularly like what I heard I thought the harmonica player was diabolical really. Do you David swung so in front of Sonny Terry the wonderful blues harmonica. Jones We were all having a meal around a table and he said here we can play the harmonica like Woody Guthrie. And I was so embarrassed to go to that was need Tony so I had to go stand up and play a little bit of harmonica not when the great Sonny Terry said you're doing it completely wrong it is nice way and he taught me the principle there in the end of the cross. And I made me one of the if not. One of the few people in this country who could figure out how to play across you know instead to suck in you blow and vice versa I was wondering if because sort of Dylan and Woody Guthrie played a harmonica in Iraq Yeah whether that inhibited their playing in fact because I haven't got their hands to it well I've heard a lot of players play love. Love passion Bob Dylan with a rock right when he. Starts out you brought you home Monica with you I know I haven't of her I think another time yeah well play a Bob Dylan track now this is this is a track that I've only just discovered it's one of these under lease tracks on the section and he's doing a Woody Guthrie song This Land Is Your Land. Is I when walking. Women and how we. Saw a bird. In the sky we. Normally. In Golden Valley. This land was me. Me. This Land Is Your Life. This is. From California. To New York darling. It would be boring. The Gulf Stream waters. This. Is me and you Amy. OK We just have a little bit of that thought so interesting version of Bob Dylan that I think recorded that 960 wanted New York result it's quick Was that around the time you met him as well well yeah I met him a 96. Tony and I were over in New York and I would use Woody Guthrie and I went on a riverboat shuffle with the whole of musicians now and Bob Dylan was on it. His manager came to music in the boat and said hi you're from England Pete Seeger tells me you're from England Yeah. Would you want to come and have dinner with Bobby and I because we'd like to know here about how you feel things are going in England with Bobby So I went to dinner with them to Henry's bar and there I just tell them that no there wasn't a big thing going Bob Dylan that time in England OK And let's just while we're in this sort of area move on to Paul Simon because the spin is firm famously turned down all the spittle spoke love we did it yet would you turn him down today . Certainly not no matter my wife and I went to see him last couple of months ago in Manchester I mean resumption of the Brill yet I don't have signal couple times absolutely brilliant I'm just all the bit with the big orchestra NOLA but for the last 15. So peace and science Rios you know he stood there with his guitar and did what he used to do yeah but he still. Is guitar work is very distinctive isn't it don't think he does that nobody else does that sort of start of the summer we saw and you know he's you know I was absolutely no. Absolutely difficult to figure out where is influences kind when it came to playing the guitar. Because I haven't seen any sort of Mexican fellow Latin for you know because well if he chooses to the obviously can I know which make of guitar he prefers to play and it's not a motive for me you know if it's just well call Santa Cruz you know quite expensive Yeah and of course a lot of influences he picked up here did you know he did it because he lived in London for a while because you know more about an idea yeah man I've got in I'll take a Simon and Garfunkel here which again is around the time that he was in England and this was from the Simon and I take from Simon and Garfunkel 1st album and they're doing a song you probably know well called Roots of oh you. Get a really. Common. If you keep. Me Back in the. Know. It's rain. And. Snow. And that. Track. On this. That is true. He was. And. He. Didn't like. America she. Caused this change. And. So I'm going to go off on Cove after $965.00 and even if you've never heard it before it has to be done Doc it's all yeah yeah it's a claw hammer. Played with the thought well you know what Lawrence Yes Yeah a close call how marijuana and the side cool with you left nails with no matter how you. And then the 2 fingers playing those 3 things so no country star Yeah some of the old country songs used mill Travis was a mousetrap because it because he sounded pretty new at the time but he yeah yeah yeah we met the months in troubadour coffee bar in London and it was very it was very funny occasion because. They were introducing we binge we just dropped in we were booked there and then we done a few songs and moved on to some later on and they roll rolled in so Dolly service put them on to do something and it's sagging. Plain chump songs have mostly been true I think. Garfunkel's includes all the bs these monks plainchant so I had to dictate it was fantastic group your initial Yeah it was fantastic yeah people who would this be listening to this program and thinking why did the spinners turn them tap and well either I don't really like. It quite frankly I would have added Yeah if it wasn't considered folk enough Yeah yeah. It was a silly attitude to take but that was we weren't the only people yet to turn Oh no they're both in Southport and in turn that I don't know how do you know you just write it he went to Willie Russell's in drum corps and went to his comp Yeah and when he was more just read them with us because we got a phone call that our club sane human Lundell of the of the problem is there's a girl on the phone here she says it is Paul Simon here had songs the phone said no I'm sorry. I don't know where is I believe he is a Merseyside police know. Well I remember seeing Tom Paxton the Phil once and he ended his concert by saying I'm now going to Jackie in Brighton Yeah. Yeah he was you know through the days and then he did Phil Ochs played Jackie and brightest club and they said we would join in with them there but for fortune with you and he said no you won't tell him sing it if you think that I'm right so he started he started on his own but let's let's have another song from you we had make now so how do you think you lead one mic you think oh well I'll do old English now he had like that like a who're don't do this so it's cool it's off the new record Spencer Yeah you know OK. Now I want to do the whole. We tell you about the record yes spitters life yeah a lot of spin is like it and it's a lie. Now be the song the long time. The 1st place. You can long. I mean time securing weary from working all day. To come down. Making my playing. Well up 1st time me. Then this year. The goal of this prayer made I hired me preparing. This mass in the sky and. I'm down. Hard on the road with me now are the some. Kind of time my love's don't know she'd know. I'm too strong she way and so slow. I know. She said she's. Kind of quick reply read with me down be blues song. Well she all the way and let me. To her bedroom she like me there in. The night the. Kids roll down. To the chill. With me down the blues song Gold Digger should be singing the song assume the feeling. Well then early next morning. The dawn the. Sad I. Mean sometimes. Sleep sleep down you know you've done wrong. Heard this name here all night with. Now me come in. The night we. 8 Teach you all down. Surely. This is the good old. OK I'll show you. Hello everyone this is why you now know hey grownups talking about things on the radio but they inflect tells talk instead because children need time to lead singer growing doubts raise money by doing that thing whatever that thing is slam pj's to scold baking cakes even responses by crying. This is a tricky they can do this one will thank you do your thing the children in need download you're supposed to get today B.B.C. Dot co dot U.K. Forward slash pussy. And you're listening to the beat on the radio and Jerry French is up next time and Jerry you're doing one of your own songs I'll do want to mail songs and it's got a bit of a chorus it's called my shoes and it was inspired by a pair of jungle boots that were left at the Vietnam War memorial a few years ago someone left and it was such a contrast to the big shiny. Vietnam war memorial that I just had to write a song. When Could not to follow. But there's the long. Consult. The names come. Flooding along Excellent on someone else who will be coming home the news this come in the Tony Joe White has died at the age of 75 and it's raining all over the world. records don't come much more must Feyerick not to like Tony Joe White who's died at the age of 75 he also wrote steamy windows for Tina Turner now Jerry Jones with his friend John Heinz has written the full story of Pete McGovern a song that we heard at the top of the show in my Liverpool home. Jere this book which is available in the museum of Liverpool and it is. Quite a long book and it's all about one song and how many verses of you got an 863 verses you did mention that you had about 140 something well actually it was a work in progress Yes well the other that was the early edition that you gave me yes well it wasn't published edition it's all just a mock up seeing how it was going out which pray page you should go next to open person things like us. Can you give us you got your accordion can you give us an idea of a couple of your favorite verses or certainly us who was. OK a couple of particular ones but I think it both came from a competition that young and I did in 1925th Yeah that's right you can I just say don't look at me look at the amount OK OK. 2015 we had this competition to see how many new verses were going around and we got about 13 which you know for us that will do to my favorites well one follicle interest cost I'll tell you. About. They say that's in London if you drop down dead. You know you. Had. This challenge you start to. Stop and tell you. How are you going to. Speak to the next exceedingly. Statutes. And if you want to concede you know we've got one for. You not you the food. You know the favorite verse was by a lady called TINA a friendly game remembers issued by a lady before anyone starts complaining when Scouse brows drawn on false lashes go a long. Visit. Here stay on how. Do you how do. You do. Not send thanks. To the statue. You see to we've got one to spend the money. On the make up your 2nd for $0.07 than a couple of marking ones is 2015. We have to pay it out in 25th during. The 3 Q. And A. So my. Shoulder the phone. Back to. Her. If. There's. A. 160. Let me. Take my ashes to. Spread them around then they won't. See the. Color. Was. A. Thing. She. Said. Was. My favorite teachers nature it was. You'll recognize the time of life as this was. Just Tyler the roots of from the ground. It goes round and round which Frenchman You don't sound like come but the price. Would make. My. Yeah when you used to do that Tony always used to shout out to you didn't they when you're one cathedral and. Oh yeah. You know we got to just back yeah yeah. Yeah I just must say we've had a tweak to come in how long the way are and it says Spencer I think Tom Paxton performed at the pub in the Lodge Lane many moons ago. Told me I don't know thanks very for man feel for that now let's have Pete McGovern in South yes indeed this is I think delightful because I rang Pete McGovern up in December 966 and I said I'm going to tell you something that's going to be in the new rules but you can't tell anybody else because if you do I'll get the sack. And he said OK I promise I won't tell anybody else I said Paul McCartney's getting a knighthood in 2 days' time and I want you to come into this show with some new verses in my Liverpool home and he said Right I'm on the case now and I won't tell a soul and this is what happened. So go somebody wanted to. Live up to. Have a favorite song. To write saying it's his music his. True means said a poem a calf and they was long overdue and has another one that goes I 1st said Roger was nice to by the cops roaring voice. Can. Pay off for a coast and if striving for. A few. Makes you a sap Paul is the top of the list. And he traveled from the cabin. Hall in. Penny Lane to the palace called the guy from. Lookout house of logs. And this one goes like this they. Will be good with pride not only by Paulo but by. A few extra Maybe. Who knows we could soon have. Cause so hey is this a call. To Roy Castle's hospital or the royal wave. Disco there's a flame make your name. Way shape. And sexy even. Worse that you actually. Thought it was a. While. OK how about that was very good yeah not bad for doing it almost on the days yeah i'm later in the program he says now got some verses about the your I was well. He never started with never say never really brilliant I wonder what happened to all these verses of in my Liverpool home that he must know how to tell what you don't carry Well this is the number one on the verses only came across them in 2017. Would presumably be wrote them in 19661966 so long but longer you know a lady called on or. Some. Because she got an A frame made a house and she hadn't realized it was home verses Oh yeah right oh he was terrific anybody got time I think for a couple more songs so Joe you're ready for something. Yeah yeah OK. Try to think I said my 1st strategy well I'll do an unaccompanied on OK It's takes 2 minutes right and then we'll have you even make it count All right so this is this is a song from my 1st album and it was that Liverpool because it's become a modern tradition to claim solicitor. OK. Oh I am a claim solicitor and I love what I do all represent. Usually you so if you go on the back and you trip over for just business card you only have to call it doesn't really matter if your the want to blame Oh yeah. You still can make a claim will get you compensation. It doesn't matter because someone else will. Unpaid they do so on so many places for all the calls me children in the private school and holidays like stars and you'll get a couple 1000 quid a meager little price and everybody else is insurance premiums will rise it's a gift that keeps on giving and there's always comes to me it's sunday way to an across the colleagues all agree while the banks and the show insist they couldn't give a toss all the ones who pay the price they never make a loss Oh I am the kind solicitor and I love what I represent. So if you go on the back on your trip and have a just get me business card you own Lee have to. Ah there any good you want to plug Jerry anything you're doing well I'm doing the mocking talk tomorrow night in out in North Wales right. Pete on Wednesdays so. That's already taking place but what else have you got. Oh right. 23rd of November I mean at Pollington in the hare and hounds before that on the side the 14th during the launch of my new album The city ACAS at longer a folk club in the bridge important life right cock and you must tell me what what is your surname have a double F. In it French it's an Irish name and George Harrison's mother was so except French as well with 2 or 3. Right and what are you going to do here we have had a consultation and one from my old hometown. Guy My. Body against cruel. Treatment 3 D. Value. You know it saying. This was a good. Lie The facts really bold it. Didn't feel old child. J H Eells. Told really the across the. Console her hold. On the. Spray isn't good. In the streets. Here coming. Good she told. The sun was. I came in from the wrong. Slowly she said not. Just about the street. Told to leave. You. May be. A good. Shot she. Truly. Feel. You. Still got a couple of minutes to go Joe you want to give us some of the verse from in my Liverpool home. This book is available in the museum of Liverpool 7 pounds 50 isn't it. Yeah the other way around 65 in the museum and. 15. Crosby. Yeah. Well I saw E.L.O. This week at the Echo Arena and yellow's new double album was 20 pounds there but there's a shop in the market called Music and Film I think it's called and they've got it for 3 pounds so now it sounds a flurry any time you actually want Christie to hold out for your own moment just want to get out of people you know and you're only like you know what you want but so all the people who are saying it away oh yeah there was no nobody introduced and names all and to sing so there's a whole pile of incomplete This is so lovely this is when we did Radio Merseyside we went through about 70 verses of in my Liverpool 160 yeah it was a huge as a cassette on the cassette they'd have all the names in order on it ah yeah because if you remember. It was the it was a post about we will make love anyway we've only got a couple of minutes to go get cracking carry us OK. Like I was very intrigued race called the. Ground National make sure we all did well then African prince Yeah I was the last horse is still running right on the ground because you know I was up you'll. Be Going up the you speak with such you feel you were shot you actually you didn't meet me outside until you through the way come to destroy me in my liver. Which a few lotto factory years gone from a child. A cold jock shard nobody knows that's not knocking you down both of you to pull the strings now you're just back in. Shall we do things. You must feel the if you leave me. Feeling you leave the stuff you sure you mean if you're. Gonna spend. You. Can just do a bit of an instrumental over it and we get to the Course just do an instrumental and I'll just say what's on the program next week OK. So thanks very much for coming in today Jerry French. A tweet from someone called 2 black people called 2 black sheep and they say we're driving home from a gig. Listening to the lovely Johnny French. Well well done Jerry. Thanks for coming in with these will. Be my Liverpool. And next week on the show we've gone round such supposed goals talking about the greatest solos in rock. OK. Feel. OK so it's. Not. What I call come 5 why. We're joined by the B.B.C.'s local radio stations across the U.K. Hello local radio listeners I'm not sure I'm a Nissan 53 power lines men are able to walk again thanks to scientists in Switzerland for the hips boss Neil Lennon is struck by a coin that Hearts the wild card number set up a meeting with Arsenal in the League Cup quarter finals. And you can hear Up All Night Live on the brand new B.B.C. Sounds up for I for an Amazon or by going to B.B.C. Dot co dot U.K. For unlocking it charts for any B.B.C. Radio Show podcast music makes. This is B.B.C. 5 Live for the B.B.C. 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