Her decision to join the party which now has 19 M.P.'s at Westminster Abbey Allen quit the conservative city of the shares to become one of the founders of change u.k. Let's get the sports headlines here is better cover the movie without their captain for the rest of the year Hugo to reste dislocated his elbow during Saturday's defeat at Brighton suppose say the goalkeeper doesn't require surgery Phil Neville says he does not feel vulnerable as in the women's manager's despite the fact his side of failed to win any of the last 5 games the most recent defeat was on Saturday when they lost 21 to Brazil in the friendly the lawn as his play Portugal at 7 pm in Neville says it's a must win game managing director of in the men's cricket Ashley Giles as the new head coach Chris Silverwood has a clear understanding of how both red and white ball teams need to evolve flanker James Davis says he was shocked to be named in the wild side to face Fiji on Wednesday Davis makes his tournament debut as Justin Tipperary is rested Andy Murray says his fitness levels are improving with each match will continue to make progress with his comeback from injury when he plays Fabio I think Nini in the 2nd round of the Shanghai Masters later this morning and Britain's men's gymnastics team secured their place at next year's lympics by qualifying for the final of the World Championships this is b.b.c. Radio 5 Live on digital b.b.c. South small speaker. Look at the weather showers in western areas becoming more widespread across the country through the day today perhaps something heavy with the risk of some thunder at times very windy in some parts of the u.k. Today with temperatures reaching up to between 13 and 17 degrees. advent of Captain James Cook and his crew on the shore of what's now a New Zealand was violent and deadly as a result of cultural misunderstandings we're told a leader of the local tribe where the Endeavor 1st moored was shot and killed a teller Madi people also lost their lives nevertheless Coke's arrival accompanied by a celebrated Polynesian navigator named to Pio is being celebrated by ceremonies that look back over these 250 years the less charitable view of Cook's arrival is that it heralded an age of call niceish. Hundreds of extinction rebellion activists across the globe have been arrested while protesting 30 people were charged with committing offenses and 70 after hundreds blocked a road while more than $100.00 were arrested in Amsterdam the total number of arrests in London rose to just under 300 the demonstrations also been taking place in John in Spain and Austria and France in the New Zealand and they're expected to last over the next 2 weeks we're joined this morning by Jane Martin who's an activist with extinction rebellion in Australia Hello Jane. Why are you still are you so I took away protesting when there was a lot of campers in London who are still out there on the street look we had a can you know rather lovely Poc it's right on the edge of the city and we are taking actions in the city every day. In the morning or evening take out so today we were swarming around the city we went round the various intersections. Confusing the place and came to an intersection at side stayed calm and and as we arrived started absolutely pouring with rain but nonetheless we held the intersection for about 3 hours or more and with your wrists president it's very high and this is a. Wake of that action we're going to keep going or wake and then see how we go after that. And how do you feel Amanda about what's been achieved you know apart from traffic disruption. We I think I've been one of the media spokespersons and I would say I feel ecstatic we have had coverage like really positive coverage. Talking about the emergency talking about ecological and extinction crisis from some of the most conservative comic denying made in the country we've had enormous support from television journalists we had a television journalist dancing with us as we blockaded down near the central station last night it's just been it's been an absolute shift in how the issue is viewed. And. The dialogue is opening between you and the and the people who have the political power to change the way that things are in Australia . But we have a government that is there a much. Influenced by lobbyist from the fossil fuel this we were an enormous fossil fuel industry of course in Australia we're heading to being the largest coal exporter in the world the largest gas exporter in the world so I'm not saying that we've had some sudden from government but I think. This thing we needed to do was to shift the media narrative and that is just shifted I think it's I almost I not it's just incredible. When I want to run a. Well. I'm a psychologist and became aware that we're facing a climate emergency about 12 years ago and my concern was that even then climate scientists were saying should we buy land in New Zealand or the south the Tasman you know they were already panicking in 2007 but one of the obstacles apart from all the lies that even the climate environment groups have been sanctioned we must use a strong message we must stay positive I think that it's a really strong message. With a really strong message about 6 shut down the city we have to rebel I think people have been in a stroller and particularly in despair about any political pathway through which we can win. But I think now seeing the amazing things that happen in the u.k. With the extinction rebellion people are flocking to join us. We can't keep up with the new groups that are springing out and the people who are just joining us every day it's quite amazing. To corporation among the different environmental groups absolutely we're getting really strong support from from organizations that have been very very cautious in the pot past it's again just one of the things that's just changed almost overnight and it's so exciting because they're the ones with the paid staff they're the ones with the reach to millions of people and they are the ones who've had this very cautious oh climate change is real sort of approach No I actually wrote a booklet called Don't mention the emergency. Specifically to try and influence these environmental groups and some of the. Political parties like the Labor Party and end scientists as well if scientists actually telling each other see it doesn't work we mustn't tell people how bad it is I think it's one of the main obstacles and one of the things that you can see is that when you come out with a really strong clear message you say we're risk of extinction we're in the 6 major extinction. That the scientist says that at 4 degrees of warming 4 degrees Celsius . The earth could support any about a 1000000000 people so billions would be dated 4 degrees when you come out and make that clear we find that it is an issue that you not see left and right in the ordinary population I'm not saying it can bring all the politicians on board. And do you find that we seem to be finding that in Britain and the May in the police are taking a very sort of back view. To these protests you know that have been obviously arrests but still. How are your relations at the moment with the police. I relations with individual police I'm very good we always do political you know police liaison we had a young female police woman this morning I think just with tears in her eyes as we were singing we're doing this for your children as well as we're peaceful What about you is that we're getting a bit rough with arresting people so I look in general it's a very good relationship but we did we held a practice action practice actually a preliminary action on one of our bridges 3 weeks ago and I moved much aggressively but very sort of in a very tough way against us they typed awfully area there was people coming to join the process that would let them join and they put all the media outside the cordon and then they gave everybody a warning saying that it's going to arrest everybody on the bridge which wasn't true because I had to get individual warnings and we held the bridge for 3 hours that time with I think $45.00 wrists. But the way that they moved to really. Limit the protest and to shut the Major out today they were trying to shut the main year out but that the maid here actually resisted and insisted that they could stay in the intersection so that's that's good but. I think you could say they're polite they certainly nonviolent as we are. But they're working quite hard to just put. We're going to push but I think it's been taken off some way based on some minor thing about the trial and. So they're doing what they can but not in of all that way but in a way that makes it a bit tough for us. More from extinction about him. Thank you thank you for talking to us thank you so much for having me. And to all of rebels in the u k. Well a some financial news now the Hong Kong Stock Exchange has abandoned it says $36000000000.00 attempt to take over the London Stock Exchange saying it come pursue the deal with new improved from the target's management as they put it the proposal was unveiled in September amid the political upheaval in both Britain and then Hong Kong and it was rejected almost overnight by the l.s.e. Board it would have created one of the world's largest stock exchange operators Quentin Webb is Asian markets editor of The Wall Street Journal and home Kong and I ask Renton why there Hong Kong Stock Exchange formally abandoned the bid but said the home construction just says that it's not really willing to proceed with this without the ability to talk to the management of the target company of London Stock Exchange and I guess if you're trying to look at a company from the outside in with no help from the management it's rather difficult to work out what sort of financial benefits you could gain by putting the 2 companies together and with a deal is taken is risky is this really creates an extra. Day fell without that sort of assistance from the other side it would be too dangerous to say was this a bit of a bolt from the blue in the 1st place this bit. It was a complete surprise I don't think anyone really expected this was coming the Hong Kong Stock Exchange h.k. X. Is not really a very acquisitive company a few years ago they bought the London Metal Exchange that was a much much smaller deal than this and they've effectively sat on the sidelines during a big wave of consolidation between some of the world's larger exchange grapes what they were doing hair I think is that they saw our last opportunity to bid for the l.s.e. Before it became too big to ever be taken over and that's because the l.s.e. Was pursuing its own deal to combine with their financiers which is to form a terminal to market data business of Royce's So that was going to sort of create this big hybrid Stock Exchange and financial information group and ha x. Or sword if we move now we can have that off at the pass and said create this plan European and Asian exchange operator do you know why the London Stock Exchange was so very definitely not interested. Well I think it's partly because they thought that this deal with her affinity was very compelling and they also thought there was some sort of significant uncertainties about the deal with h k x and some of that is you know arguably political so. Then with the streets of Hong Kong that it. Attentional Yes I mean if you think about it this way. You know there is a question mark bad the extent to which Mainland China is well into Let them come operate as a separate system under They are One Country 2 Systems principle is government since 997 at the moment they were saying on the street protests a lot of disquiet about the potential sort of tight control by Beijing of Hong Kong and so that makes it a rather awkward time to you know one of the most important bits of markets market infrastructure in Europe on the hands of Hong Kong government linked company. Quentin Webb is Asian markets editor for The Wall Street Journal in Hong Kong Well he was custom mines back a long long time 3 and a half 1000000 years ago in fact to the time when something nobody knew about it until now happened that it was cataclysmic it was a giant energy flare which ripped through the center of our galaxy according to a team of a show in astronomers they say the so-called sifter flare started near the super massive black hole in the center of the Milky Way but the empire was fell 200000 light years away faster just blonde Haasan as the astronomer who led the team Hello Professor. How you it's hard to imagine something extending over 200000 light years does that mean that the impact was felt in another place 200000 light years late. 200000 years later yes years later yes it was actually colder safer to flare and Carl say that was an astronomer about 50 odd years ago. So if you look out into space you see galaxies everywhere and they all have these central super massive black holes and the black holes themselves are invisible what you see is the gas and stars falling into the black hole rather like what you see when the water goes down a drainage source swirls around the drain before it goes down this these gases star slow like a death spiral around the black hole and if all they fall in they get very very hot and he got up and didn't generate these gigantic winds and bubbles and jets that flow outwards so we sort of see death rows falling into the massive black holes all through the universe I don't think anyone suspected however that our own galaxy could do this as well. And in fact just 3 and a half 1000000 years ago when we had you know cave. Cave people or upright ancestors ape like ancestors looking the earth they would have seen his enormous great flash of radiation from the center right across the sky. And the reason we were affected that. That it would sound like it would be pretty awful. Yeah any life near to the black hole would have been destroyed wiped out luckily for us we're out way out in the suburbs as well as like you know middle of London compared to 7 oaks or something we're kind of living in Sevenoaks and well clear of any badness going on the center of London so we're kind of fortune away out where we're going the sun in the solar system but if you happen to live anywhere close like the inner parts of the city of London as it were you'd be in real trouble I think the black hole flare would have wiped out any form of life and. How did you find out about it why didn't anybody know about it before yeah so in 2003 I had my 1st as it were revelation I was using the German x. Ray satellite called Rosat and noticed these gigantic bubbles coming out from the center 2017 years later NASA had an amazing discovery with what's called the Fermi satellite and it's all the same bubbles in gamma rays which is like a 1000 times more powerful and this is it requires even more energy and by then by 2010 I realize this must be some kind of an a.g.m. Doing there some very powerful and to do with the central super massive black hole . Gravity Yeah so the question then was what could that black hole do driving giant bubbles is not the same thing as driving even bigger beams of radiation the bubbles are only 30000 light years across yet we see the echo of the radiation over 200000 light years much much further out and that's that required using the Hubble Space Telescope musing a particular instrument on the Hubble to do those measurements. So that's how we discovered this this as well as it where you are you saying that this echo persists to this day how did how did you discover it with the instrument on the Hubble Yeah yeah that's a that's a really interesting question I think a little astronomers even trying to you know the vast. Question themselves what how and what is the timing come from well actual fact the burst of radiation has long gone we look at the center now it's very quiet very peaceful black hole in the center of the galaxy and the flash will happen 3000000 years ago and the question is how is that possible to see it so that the way to see it it To think of it is if you if you pump air into a bicycle tire you are I think you'd agree that the bicycle tire warms up and gets hot and then if you start pumping air into the bicycle tire the tire then cools down kind of like a switching the catalyst when the kettle is just boiled you can put your hand on and it's hot and is when it's much later the kettle feels cooler so what we did was basically go and look at something which we knew to be warm or hot the gas above or below the black hole and we could tell it being cooling down it was once much hotter and basically the Hubble space telescope gave us a way of measuring the temperature of the gas and we knew that the gap what we were seeing was different elements of the in the in chemistry like carbon nitrogen oxygen silicon sulfur and they did they sort of decline a different rate some of the calls are some of the calls late and I was enabled us to tell that there had been a much hotter gas there in the past and the what we were seeing was cooling down. Really amazing thought just that could have ripped right through the universe and destroyed all its parts would there have been cosmic bodies caught up in this that are just simply not there know. It actual fact yes the radio astronomy team they're looking at coal gas in the galaxy and they emit MacLow Griffiths and j. Lockman and they have been observing cool gas all around us and they found that all the coal gas in the direction of where we're looking has disappeared you basically see. Easy funnel where there is no call gas so basically it is all the coal gas was wiped away and I don't know about stars whether the stars would be affected by this some of the summit some some of the stars could be affected I think most would survive the effect of the blast wave and radiation coming through and I would predict that life doesn't exist that you would not find any stars with plant planets or country systems with life in those planets around anywhere near the Atlantic Center. Thought the thing happened and it does the possibility exists and I must let you go but there's a possibility exists for such a thing to happen again. Yes I think it's the casting like chaotic behavior like you see with Ok nose and earthquakes you know the you get these big booms and then nothing and you know that San Francisco will have another great earthquake in the future but just don't know when. And I also think that we believe that this black hole that the that the despair causes the Jets and bubbles and winds slops around a lot so in principle it could even come in the direction of the earth you know millions of years in the future maybe even the past but I don't think the radiation would be enough to destroy lives as it would be like the sun having a one of its little Albert's. That that in itself is I find quite comforting thank you very much for. Speaking to you like you but I but also just blonde Hawthorne was talking to us there from Australia now let's turn to New Zealand which is marking the 250th anniversary quite sensational anniversary because it's the beginning of a whole lot of things their arrival of Captain Cook Captain Cook's landing and what is now the city of guess borne as being corroborated with a replica of Cook's ship the and Devore But this is up setting Maori activists no end and they say it glorifies a man who was responsible for the deaths of indigenous people and we're joined by not who is and the journalist rights advocate Hello Tina. Lou thank you for coming to talk to us. What happened when when Cook landed I know there was a there was a dust up right at the beginning wasn't around and people lost their lives. Well yes quite a few people lost their lives and there are a number of different accounts by different proof to all give different numbers but there are some things that are all an agreement. With an Al was of lading one of our and sisters to mother was shot and killed on that day and then on the 2nd day they would. Killed by some accounts or act pulled up on that they. Certainly there were at least 4 or 5 more that was shot and killed. The next day and many people talk about that is that some of the more telling killings that happened later they die. Of. Paid toll on a fishing boat. Because of the law and they had just coming back from fishing and he wanted a closer look at the phone once. They approached him of course Erin sisters had no idea what they're looking at is very fearful for them and so they tried to escape and. He wound up ordering. 4 muskets to be fired into the boats killing all but 3 young men who tried to escape and I was then pulled up on board and. As he did. Abducted them against their will and held on to them for 3 days before releasing them importantly this was not exceptional and that journey around. Particularly around the North Island you believe into lake without shooting it or killing all torturing Aryan sisters and it's very upsetting that people are looking to celebrate his voyage. But you know I know you had a Polynesian a very famous Polynesian navigator with him but for some reason he wasn't a writer. For this 1st encounter there it is no guess pond couldn't have gone another way I mean that's because cook books supporters all say he was an explorer and not a columnist do you do you cut them any any slack when they say that. Well it's probably important to take into hate. Directions and directions from the crown as all is that he was operating. To voyage at him in sight taken to hate this idea of Explorer ation and wasn't just to say what something what's out there and then hime just knowing that it's out there not doing anything. Plated climbing remains for the Crown land the crying and the spoils but happened quite breathtaking really I mean this I it was not just voyages of exploration boys ages of chronic waste. Imperial expansion and those orders included the older. My claims on men and stablish colonial outposts but importantly also interestingly. He was I only supposed to do that was the condition of the night and he contravened eyes orders because never once was he given permission that he made multiple proclamations of discovery and then for huge and other voyages. I dying to actually accept that he was just an explorer and when you look at the multiple times I but she shall take it or killed or abducted or tortured our ancestors then I dined at all except that he was a beneficent man and it's important that. The people who have borne the brunt of these experiences. Listen to our perspectives of those events rather than that to speak the. Benefitted from and what is essentially a project of imperial expansion of the world then as is your attitude to the fact that the government is having official celebrations or commemorations least of. Slogging. Well that's appalling I mean if somebody were to arrive and they are but today. Or as from another naive easy to acquire land. Was a militia and committed to by the by the n.i.v. To kill people in those days so that would be considered under international law or will be considered an act of war and that our government and I was looking to invest tins of millions of dollars and. Into celebrating what was an act of war upon our people. It was and it was old and that the fight supremacy male era pin supremacy I should say. Were afflicted that evening after he killed our ancestors he reflected that he understood that many people might look down on water was that he did by killing our ancestors but he felt that it was important to give a cause and. If he didn't shape them and told them that he might have been knocked on the head by the fish that they were throwing at him well they might retire and try and attribute their ability to escape to the bravery and he couldn't have said that he made many comments and his line diaries and journals about the made to demonstrate supremacy and the way that he demonstrated the supremacy was to refire palace was for killing people and particularly this year in 2009 tame the use of guns and killing people to demonstrate supremacy should be particularly relevant and should be at the forefront of our minds and such a red to a national celebration around these acts as they were carried out against Al and sistas just as it's staggering to me. Thank you very much for joining us from as you. It's just after half past 4. On digital b.b.c. Sal Spiegel. B.b.c. Radio 5 live with the news your store card further details have emerged of the objections to the latest British proposals for changes to the Irish backstop in the BRICs a deal the European Commission is said to be worried about the idea of rooting out border checks indefinitely because the veto that would be given to Stallman President Trump has warned Turkey he'll obliterate its economy if it takes advantage of his decision to pull u.s. Forces out of northeastern Syria that withdrawal leaves Kurdish fighters in the region open to attack from Turkey presents approbation watchdogs have found children and young people aren't getting enough support when they're released from young offender institutions that followed 50 of them for 3 months and astronomers in Hawaii have discovered 20 new moons in orbit around Saturn the discovery puts the planet ahead of Jupiter with the most means $82.00 to $79.00 as a competition running to name the name with all the sport has Betty Glover the movie without their captain for the rest of the year Hugo to reste dislocated his elbow during Saturday's defeat at Brighton Spurs say the goalkeeper doesn't require surgery Phil Neville says he does not feel vulnerable as in the women's manager despite the fact his side of failed to win any of their last 5 games the most recent defeat was on Saturday when they lost to one to Brazil in their friendly the land as his play Portugal at 7 pm on Neville says it's a must win game managing director of in the men's cricket Ashley Giles as the new head coach Chris Silverwood has a clear understanding of how both red and white all teams need to evolve flanker James Davis says he was shocked to be named in the wild side to face Fiji on Wednesday Davis makes his tournament debut as Justin Tipperary is rested Andy Murray says his fitness levels are improving with each match will continue to make progress with his comeback from injury when he plays Fabio I thin Nini in the 2nd round of the Shanghai Masters later this morning and Britain's men's Jimmy. Next to . The final of the World Championships. Radio 5 Live. This week pretty unsettled with jet stream. For the foreseeable future. Not expected to. Be coming in off. Direction. By day relatively mild nights with no frost or folk issues now we start this morning off on a dry bright night with plenty of sunshine across central and eastern parts of eastern but across the west. Way across. The country as the day. In the afternoon. Remain extremely blustery windy for all specially when the showers arrive. 40 to 50 miles an hour. The showers through quite quickly with a paring again. Across the north in the West of Scotland the temperatures tend to be around the average for the time of year with $12.00 to $15.00 degrees in the north of the u.k. $57.00 in the south. With the showers across western areas. Drier again with clearing skies Wednesday to Friday there is expected to be rather similar to the north of the u.k. Could bring strong winds across the country bands of showers of rain in places particularly Scotland and Northern Ireland. The best of these across more sheltered parts of the country remain around the seasonal average with highs of 14 to 17 Celsius life whether stopped and please. Join us. If you want to experience with 24 hours you could feel what it's like. This week. On the b.b.c. Sounds. Defended his sudden decision to pull u.s. Troops out of northern Syria but repeated as warning to Turkey not take advantage of this withdrawal Turkey is planning a long threatened operation against Kurdish forces across the border but Mr Trump warned that he would decimate the economy his words if I went off limits we've been in Syria for many years you know Syria was supposed to be a short term hit just a very short term hit we were supposed to be in and out and we only have 50 people in that area that's a small sector and I don't want those 50 people hurt or killed or anything I don't want anything bad to happen our people and I told that to President I said Don't any of our people get hurt big trouble but I have told Turkey that if they do anything outside of what we would think is you main they could suffer the wrath of a an extremely decimated economy. Well the relationship between the United States and the cards has not always been an easy one even before this happened speaking to a vendor saying who c.e.o. Of the international humanitarian relief charity Council aid and I asked him to tell us about how the cards have related over the years to the us when we went. To northern Iraq in Kurdish areas in 2014 and to look towards America as a great friend and also Europe and Germany especially the fight against ISIS and there was a great expectations that the West especially America will stand by them I think will happen to buy Europe to go and they have the referendum for independence and the Kurdish people voted. For independence from Iraq that America turned its back openly to the Kurdish people and they felt their Eat the trait that we were there for them when they needed us again so I say we've lost most personnel against ISIS and I marry because playing games of since then the relationship in Rocky before that they were very close yeah very close 100 of them even if all these people are saying well that the u.s. Soldiers have been you know the special forces have been working very closely with the s.d.f. You know with the Turkish a military force I mean do you are hears all sorts reports very contrary fight what the report saw a report that when many of the Council holding so my seats. Lost one or $2.00 to $4.00 which is called Tell tell us off the left far as their prospects and clef I was like what you would call a scolding sent awfully Ice's wonder when they've taken the as 80 women as hostile . Yes there was sort in the different age groups and where we sent a little Mary etc and the local clergy in the years Edis said that. ISIS fighters were allowed to escape to Turkey so and then the others would say the Americans watched all that happened so there was a there's a lot of mistrust Like I said off the referendum there's a lot of reports lot of rumors but one thing we do know when I spoke to our coordinator in Iraq Susan a young lady look there are there was a situation I just heard the news and how both families lives in Sokal which is right next to the Syrian border and he said some the Kurds are already beginning to leave this here in areas and are coming into the Kurdish areas because they think Turkish occupation of the military occupation of the area is imminent so there's already a few like movements in the area for the Kurds leaving and that I think brings up very bad memories of 2014 when as easily leaving their land or day their homes and going towards Kurdish areas and Kurdistan struggled a lot on a deal with the id piece and I think this will be another challenge you know there is there are military. People in the us who are saying that it's only a matter of time maybe a very short time before the Turkish military try to cross the border and you know bring all their yes artillery to bear on the positions soft sawder organization is preparing right now as we speak what would our response be with our friends in the region people young people who work with us how would we respond to this if this crisis does was that we do expect many I.D.P.'s so so maybe you know we have to strengthen ourselves in the region to deliver more aid and emergency which isn't really ideal because we didn't think there would be a new front opening of all I d P's which is quite disheartening and disappointing and you know very very up leaks each other. The suddenness of this has taken everyone on back including the president's own Republican Party allies. Was there ever any suggestion before last night that the United States would would actually just suddenly withdraw the u.s. Advisers the military advisers who are there at the moment. There was rumors few months ago that light happened but nobody expected this very quickly sudden movement withdrawal that's more Sweeney's from the back that they don't feel safe the Kurdish people in the area so a vote doesn't call Colin Powell you know he's even though he's come are saying you know what the hell's going on with our foreign policy you know we need to challenge these last minute decisions and could be wrecking our foreign and we've become a blog installed also notes like he's a senior Republican actually questioning all this by Mr Trump's decision if suddenly if it happens. It'll be too late for political reaction and I think it's already too late military ality want it I think it's already too late I think we're hearing reports of Turkey already carrying a strikes but I don't think Mr Truong welcome to to sit back and if it does happen it will normally affect the beat way too late it would be like if Turkey takes over the region you content start having Americans fighting the Turkish troops just even take a disaster so it's very ill thought out policy and it's this could be very disastrous for the region which you know already struggling with so many conflicts and wars and and so why isn't on the other hand you know when we are in the region we go almost every month there are local people tell us that high seas are still very active and the border areas they know have towns and cities about their very active so let's see how this comes out what role the license plate now if could have been we could. Or Turkey and Qatar engage in each other there will be a vacuum left somewhere along the line and they'll probably fold up if there are $10000.00 ISIS fighters in the camps what's going to happen to them. Under you and that's nothing I was listening earlier on to do with debates going on and I don't think Turkey without a will pot to hold people for so long freedom clothe them look after them so I'm not really too. I say to mystic about the future of ISIS fighters they are saying they will not I don't think they'll hold them up 'd. There were some deals cut other with the Westell with the prisoners all over with anybody who will take them I think there'll be some deals cut they will most of that's a vendor saying from the charity. And. Good morning. We begin with a terrible story of a kidnapping plot. Well. If you believe me basically what happened was the police in Taiwan they arrested 14 suspects who are allegedly part of a criminal ring that is believed to have kidnapped racing pigeons homing pigeons and held them for ransom and you know we don't this is not taken lightly it's been a 7 month investigation that started in February after somebody tipped off the police and basically the arrests were made just a few days ago October 1st so before I go into what happened I should 1st tell you that Taiwan Ashley has one of the world's biggest pigeon racing industries and every year to about 2 to 3000000 racing birds here and they race in many events that has more events than any other place in the world and nearly $500.00 people apparently race pitches so it's a $1000000.00 Yes the 10s of millions of dollars are awarded each year for the winners of these races so it's a big industry and there's a lot of money to be made so these alleged criminal was apparently caught in the ass and realize that they can make some money out of this so what they did was they bribed the drivers who work for the owners of the pigeons and these drivers are in charge of driving the pigeons to a designated areas for them to train so they know exactly which route the pigeons fly. These big. Little bit cages in the side of the cage Exactly yes so what these alleged criminals that was sling shot lead bullets tied to red ribbons into the air to scare off the pit to scare the pigeons as. Lined over out and that causes the pigeons to dive down then to capture the birds with nets and then they called the owners and the men ransoms ranging from $180.00 u.s. Dollars to about 400 dollars per bird this is I like much but when you talk about so many pigeons being trained in a could add up to a lot of money so if the owners don't pay then they threaten to kill the birds or cut off their rain their wings and so far 40 owners have fallen victim to disc. Or 3 so that's a lot of pigeons Yes a lot of pigeons but when you think about it that you know that's only a small portion of the 2 to 3000000 pigeons are racing here and this is not just a crime you know if you asked animal rights groups such as they would say that you know racing pigeons is one of the worst forms of animal cruelty in the world because what happens is these pigeons are trained for months it is quite rigorous training and during the training and during the races they're basically taken out to sea and in boats and then did release and it's either fly or die in a day they have no way of no where for them to rest so some of the patients die from bad weather or predatory birds or even hitting you know in the land areas they hit electrical lines and some of them simply fall you know into the ocean because of exhaustion because they have no place to rest and. Say that only 40 percent of the pigeons actually survive so basically they're racing for dear life. Well the gang has been well depending on how big the gang is some 14 members have been arrested. They're supposed to many many different kinds of pigeon racing groups out there and you know supposedly there would be gangs that would try to profiteer from races but this whole industry even though it's come under a lot of criticism by the animal. Authorities haven't really shut it down I guess because it's so popular what they have done is every time there's a complaint from the animal rights group when there are enough complaints they will conduct raids so they have a kind of raise and some of the biggest pigeon racing clubs in Taiwan but mainly on charges of violating animal protection laws and gambling illegal gambling so it's not really shutting down the whole industry and this whole practice you know we've seen in other countries that you know animals using animals for sports has come under a lot of criticism in recent years as people are more aware of animal rights but in Taiwan discord has sort of fallen off the radar for local people they don't really see the pigeons you know you only really see the races if you are one of the you know in the group in the club or otherwise yeah advises the pigeons in the air you don't really pay attention to it. Tell us a little but more if you will about the bridge collapse last week. Of questions being asked yes I don't know if you saw the dramatic video footage taken by the Coast Guard you know when the bridge collapsed it was quite amazing disparate isn't then Mark Bridge it's it looks quite pretty is it like a single arch bridge that spans the opening of the harbor it's 21 years old it was I think it was 150 meters long if I remember correctly a lot of people go on that bridge I've been on that bridge people. Right have bikes on it a walk walk across it I think it takes about 20 minutes to walk across you're walking slowly and it just suddenly collapse on October 1st crushing 3 boats under the bridge and killing 6 migrant workers who are in the boats about to set out to see injuring to help people but what's even more disturbing is that the findings in initial investigation showed at this bridge even though it's undergone You know I think and you know or regular checks every 4 years or so every 2 to 4 years they've never checked the steel cables holding up the bridge they've simply checked the base of the bridge of the foundation but it never checked the steel cables so it's one of those bridges that suspended by steel cables and because it's located on the north eastern coast of Taiwan it's exposed to a lot of wind and rain especially from the typhoons that we get every year 18 to $20.00 typhoons every year and so it's still cables had corroded causing them to snap so what's even more disturbing is yesterday the premier of Taiwan has come out and said wow you know $123.00 bridges are in urgent need of repairs so out Taiwan and he urged local governments to hurry up prioritize their. Pair work actually even promise central government will give necessary assistance and funding if the local counties and cities are unable to pay for the repair but this just makes a lot of us quite worried even though Taiwan is known to be quite a safe. In terms of. Crime rates is actually a lot of hidden dangers including you know shoddy construction and also poor maintenance and lack of maintenance of some of these infrastructure. In the City thank you very much indeed for the. Sinise who joins us from Taipei and Taiwan. We're going to finish tonight with a story of the closeness of a group of elephants which had tragic results because officials are still trying to retrieve the bodies of 6 elephants who fell to their deaths apparently while trying to save the smallest one who was a baby from falling over a waterfall joining a flood a marriage and say and it gets worse because now they're trying to figure out how to get the bodies of those elephants OTOH if the river and stop them from reaching a major exam it's a moving story Edwin week as director and founder of wildlife Friends Foundation Thailand hello and when I got money not morning. Nobody I was I saw the elephants when this happened but what's your best guesses as to what did I actually take place when it was about 3 am in the morning when Rangers at the collier National Park heard the term trumpeting and screaming out of the elephants. In despair somehow in the morning when it got light around 6615 in the morning the Ranger cert reached the area and found 2 elephants still alive on the rich not able to get out of the area and 6 elephants down and down the waterfall in the creek. It appeared did the elephants followed one another over the top Well it seems that the younger elephant fell down the other elephants tried to reach down and put it out and even maybe actually went into the water but the heavy rain of the night before and over night made it there so much work it was coming down from the mountains that basically this was a huge forest runoff. Making the making the water fall into a massive river with very strong currents on so I guess some of them might have fallen in but most of them was basically once they were in the couldn't get out anymore and what happened to the 2 that survived well the 2 that survived were on the rich until about 4 or 5 o'clock in the afternoon of that same day and somehow the water basically got less when it was less current they Master been able to get out of that area they were not seen again but they have found footprints off to elephants wandering around the area are getting into a deep in a deeper Forest which is very difficult to to enter so you know that they have survived don't know where they went but from the from the herd of 8 there's only 2 left now. And numerous are elephants and that's part of Thailand well in this national park actually a 4 different national parks and wildlife reserves connected to each other which according to orders there's about $300.00 elephants in total in that area. Is it is this usual had behavior for elephants really are they very careful and concerned for each other well yes this is actually quite considered a small herd most of these hurts in this area are 20 to 30 individuals usually females with offspring all on t's with all string that stay together the males usually do not go around with them with the herd. But this area is common to them they are senior to waterfalls very often they they should know the dangers of the waterfall and it happened actually 27 years ago as well in the same area where a the elephants actually died at the same spot but somehow they got trapped I guess and and only to find a way out. Another got this major headache to try to remove the bodies of the elephants who died yes here you're talking here about 6 dead elephants in a relatively small creek it's not a massive river and the problem you currently face there is that there's about 20000 kilos of rotting meat that are wonderful. And is this is a River which feeds and to water supplies Yes it's actually the beginning of a larger water system. A larger stream downstairs actually lower at the lower part and the problem is that part of national park rangers are not able to reach toward a full bit heavy equipment such as a backhoe to actually dig holes and bury the elephant stuff what eventually would like to do. So. Obviously the whole world seems to be engaged by the story just because it's so very touching. Does that have any does it does it help in some way I mean if you're if you've got more awareness of these elephant Arabs that you're looking after well you know in Thailand the population of elephants has been growing over the last 15 to 20 years in in contrast to your other surrounding countries arrived media amount of elephants are getting less and less in time and we had about 800 into Welton probably something like 2400 in the wild in 1000 in 2019 so we see a growth in population there's quite a lot of elephant human conflicts around the country where people are quite well some of the farmers are quite annoyed by elephants coming out of the forest into their into their fields but a story like this makes everybody realize that the elephants also have a family life like we're having to care about each other so I guess for the image of the elephants it's it's been an awful story where people have local people more understand what's going on. 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