B.b.c. Radio London it's 4 minutes past 12 on digital radio $94.00 f.m. And on b.b.c. Sound this is London this is b.b.c. Radio London for us elms and still to come we've got the funk Plus we're going to be talking about Miles Davis to one of his sons and one of his nephews and they're both involved in the release of rubber band like The Lost last Miles Davis record so they're going to be coming in to talk about that and I said yesterday when we were discussing the Miles Davis film with its director magicians elements that I don't know who she could even put up as. Greatest or most important or most influential musician of the truck of the 20th century you could go in the lot of some of the Elvis. And that would make lots of sense you could go along the line of someone like Frank Sinatra and there would be quite a lot in that as well but in artistic creative terms Miles is miles and miles is miles ahead of everybody else and that was the whole point that every It's so like Picasso it seems to me he's one of these characters not a particularly nice man. But I'm believably perpetually continually creative. Just changing but there's a bit of you know there's a bit of that in Bowie as well constantly reinventing miles changes jazz every couple of years you know moves it from from Harbaugh to to cool to electronic to funky to you know orchestral to just all the time constantly reinventing what this music means and I don't think there's there is a more continually restlessly creative musician certainly in that century and I do think he's up there with I don't know only about classical music but with the Mozart's and the bar and all of those just as this unbelievably crude continually creative man and anyway we're going to be discussing him with his son and his nephew so that's what we're doing between 1230 and 1 o'clock then between one 3rd one and 130 will you know what's going to happen we're going to have a down it's funky Friday it's one of the great traditions of this show and you must promise to dance as well oh no no no I don't disagree with that Mic Mic says Mars is Miles but Coltrane is got culture and is much more my favorite musician I love but our I mean and culture in is really you know is also incredibly creative but even Coltrane probably wouldn't have been Coltrane without Miles Miles kind of discovers Coltrane he does that all the time and he was this is us to get his jazz friends but I'm with you if I'm going to listen to the last piece of music only listen to my life will probably be able jungle joy but. Also I was talking about. What was to. Funk we're going to have a town hall was talking about. Tomorrow Let. Come of those and easy to like. Sunday mornings I nees e from me. I've got cycling on Sunday mornings I'm always sweat you know breath but there's a little bit afterwards where you sit on the sofa and maybe open a glass of red wine that's easy so early Sunday afternoon is easy. Let's talk a bit about work where because only came in earlier and she was wearing her and I was so proud of the fact that I knew she'd been to Dave's in Manhattan I even knew exactly what shop she bought gear from Dave says if you never If you've ever been to New York or if you have a gun in New York go to Dives is this institution it serves every blue collar worker in America it serves every plumber and everyone who and it serves well there and it's of course these days it's got a bit fashionable and there's lots of British and European and Japanese fashionistas in there but still most of the people in there are plumbers from Brooklyn you know or wherever it might be and Daisy's Great South. I was thinking that you know there is a big work with thing on at the moment the one of the big looks but it's not the 1st time do you remember. Wearing Beeban brace as it was 9 and then I'm racking my brains there was a type of gene right genes in unlikely that any means and I reckon we're talking more we are talking 7 is we're talking mid seventy's 7475 maybe 76 and the cold type they had to have a little hook of fabric on them to hang your claw hammer from now I've never had a claw hammer it be you would not trust me with a hammer believe me it would be a bad mistake but I had to get these chains that this little bit of fabric they were kind of were waging Well mine were there I'm scratching my head there was one specific Mike that you just had to have. And. Remember what it was they were and I want Levi's they want any of those big names and I know mine has really come back since now they won't this is Oprah recall this is not in Seventies there was a mike of do you. Girls and boys both wore them as I remember. And they were kind of bro I think they were American what webre a mob in European I'm really not sure what I was it. Just seemed. To me. To. Come in cold to. Long to. Do you. Realize. The amount of minds of James on being bombarded with his fantastic it wasn't Lois although I did have a para Laurie's change with frayed nerves. It wasn't. Wrangler although i believe me I had a running list least the one jacket we have with a very vivid color called you a color that was lovely Let's see what Scott has come up with Hello Scott. How are you very well indeed that is another name for the possible I definitely remember. Oshkosh. Exactly well I don't think that was the James I'm thinking of but I'd think I had a pair of people Bryce spy Oshkosh but gosh oh you didn't they would notice a boat by pinstripe which was just like blue denim and white yes now that was not the ones I was thinking of with the hook bit but I definitely add in Oshkosh but they wasn't like David Jones right away drive a clothes if you don't exactly sexually that was Oshkosh but gosh but it wasn't the ones I was thinking of but I'm very glad you caught up with it well what do you would you reckon they would have been oh golly family I would say from 7374 onwards as far as availability in England I was lucky enough to have some or parents of American friends back then who brought spans over to clean then I'm wondering why I called in what exits Oshkosh because I definitely had a pair of their b. From Bryce absolutely prove a snug foamers don't remember having name Dicky's a bit like South Sea island bubble company now that's interesting I definitely had a para Selsey on bubble company brushed the name jeans but they won't work way they were something else let's talk to Gary in Kensington Hello Gary Oh my but yeah very well I think they were talking about back when the Smiths your carpenters Gee you're going to have to tackle the King's Road and all that. That show was very very trendy at the time but that we know what the year we too is $75.00 Now you said me some maybe said Aaron I think I might not be 70 full 3433 minutes before me all this additional stuff all before the white people yet but but the but the. Lack. Of feeling in all the pits 220-0000 was that period to Mark and like and then that but my book or 2 of them but they were a page or 2 on a moment mine were dead my mind my McCorkle and they were very very hard but. I'm quite high but quite back in school they were like. You know I mean they were a little quiet I want to talk yeah yeah but after that after Smith Do you remember . I thought remember when live I remember bowl and then started someone else and you said Minnie Mouse and 1st it was Smiths then it was bull and I remember both of the us. So you're right this was pre this was pre punk so boy was it a movie very well it might be so poor I think just off the bat the model had come close but already learned Yeah but offer up a problem I had jumped at me attractions from from a member of yeah it was all it was all a bit quite an interesting time for my buffet table I think go with my I want to look lovely I think yeah I think you're right I'm not sure I'm not sure but I think you're right I think I really 6 To be honest yeah I think you could tell one but I don't know the full length people well enough to be honest well I had a pair I had and he's absolutely right I had Smiths they were cool with Smiths as jeans and I think it was the one you call him a bit bigger brush and then there was ball I don't remember what Ball jeans looked like at 0 but I know the arm in the mine was the one you had a game. I mean never so many Jains we went for fair Ruchi our member wearing fair Ruchi jeans it was a shop in Kent it's a good few Ruggie with the judge. Lets talk to Drew. Terrible among yet every one of you could up about Roy what it is look you too kind of people Bryson work things well you know a lot plumbers and you know nobody else the old school kids I could you know it would. Sort of material. I don't know so it would Knight who would so like he might it if it was a MacI would look at very funny so they need to come up and what is so called. He is not according to us in 1st day unless he asked us. Something. To look up a bit as a son. Would of. The it was over the pumice in school. Will not. Be falling to any room and it's called a workman fusty an. Excellent guess one local crystallizing run for it is on the line how to dive now i Robot and you're very one of these that you remember what is different Mike subject as well written to Nicole or might but Jane machine Richard yes I mean by and about shops along the King's Road as well and just like we said. This or asked us and we we did the company Jennings by tonight and I had a low tide on the site yet and I was side like another school I was to. Lutheran I was honored I had done the Saudis said yes such a way to measure sign. Well. You know I don't I've said I want to think you know but I know I had a pair but I mean I bought a bag yeah and I really like really like Damien but I was begging but now at the bottom yet exactly that was what we called pegs basically yeah and it was that it was what was known as brush painting so it was really low it was almost like it was a very it was a very light color anytime you're really not a lot like Danny and yet you're absolutely correct so much just sent me a picture of a pair of a Smiths come up into jeans and I got they got the bit of twisted fabric from the back and the end like that and they sent me Bull Jade's the ballroom much lights a color and at a red light bill would pull be i.w. Long. Wait what did you work in Jamieson Well well 2 so late seventies it was the place and date and it was. It was funny but yeah I would. Go house than Gucci for your Richie we had all of these. High waisted and back and we mow it jump a team of braces over the top I hope. Says Simon there would definitely goals were all this stuff as well it wasn't just the box foam as Jane says Graham in Brixton because maybe says they saw many people that sent me e-mails about they there was Gloria Vanderbilt Now that was for girls I think exclusively I don't remember ever wearing Gloria Vanderbilt. The jeans that Gloria Vanderbilt. Little. I try God knows I try says my see great one my mom used to say that. Emma from New Malden says I agree with your last caller a pair of refuse from g. Machine in Richmond a saved my Saturday job money to buy some sky blue denim jeans with the tag and the extra pockets I was very proud of them I got a number email from John who says I knew a fellow is a bit of a bruiser but he loved the Smiths point as Jane's the one you were talking about had a pair in pale form used to I am the hell out of them sometimes he'd get in a tussle but I'd take his jeans off and carefully fold them up before getting in the fire. Yeah we don't want to ruin the Jains the year gym membership we saw in the crease in jeans that was always a terrible mistake now a man who would know is Lloyd Johnson and Lloyd said my flatmate in the early Seventies was call him Benny he made the jacket wore in the centerfold of gasoline alley a few years later rejoined force with Frank ash born in a gentle ember from the Chelsea and takes market and they form the South Sea Bubble company which which usually successful I certainly had a pair of South Sea island double company jeans in very very pale blue brushed any color what larks we had it's 1230 it's time for the news headlines and we come back we're going to be talking miles and miles and. London's headlines and we'll send of the husband of nurse an integrity Rockliffe the London woman serving 5 years in jail in Iran for spying has been speaking to the media after he was reunited with their 5 year old daughter Gabrielle has been staying with her grandparents in Tehran ever since her mother was detained 3 and a half years ago but she's now flown back to London to live with her father and start school Richard Radcliffe has described his wife's current mood as very very upset so they can says he's arsole devastated to learn of the fatal stabbings of 2 more teenagers in London the 1st a 15 year old boy was attacked as he got off a bus in Stratford while the 2nd an 18 year old was killed on an estate in Camberwell the mayor says knife crime is stealing the futures of our young people and has to stop at least 4 people have been treated after a stabbing incident in a shopping center in central Manchester Greater Manchester Police said officers were responding to the incident in the on Dale center Northwest Ambulance Service said to treated 4 people off the been called to reports of a stabbing incident social media post showed a large number of officers at the scene and a suspect being tasered the European Commission says the E.U.'s chief breaks it negotiator has had a constructive meeting with the Bracks it Secretary Steve Barclay and they're working towards a deal. The president of the European Council Donald Tusk said he received promising signals from the Irish prime minister we have a red card he met Boris Johnson yesterday and said they could see a pathway to a possible deal longer whether this morning's rain should slowly clear to leave a mostly dry afternoon very windy though top temperatures of 18 degrees Celsius that is 64 degrees Fahrenheit now with b.b.c. Radio London travel his beliefs. Finish and rebellion protest sit in continues all the approaches to Trafalgar Square and Parliament Square are closed including Milbank broad century Great George Street while the mile strand Charing Cross Road Northumberland Avenue horse free road show the junction with the cross road in Cambridge Circus is blocked by the police towards Trafalgar Square at the start of the southern end of trying Cross Road shop for traffic management there's also some emergency vehicles parked up outside here because the protest outside the b.b.c. So Road Closed due to the ongoing extinction rebellion demo is affecting traffic through Victoria and Vauxhall mainly a broken down vehicle on the m 25 anticlockwise 25 to 242 vans involved anticlockwise at 5 in an accident so curious because of an earlier accident anticlockwise new junction 5 that's the m 26th hearing on the I 20 Lehigh road into town at Belmont Hill because of road works I once worked on the a 3 west hill both ways around South Circular also because of road works road works on the North Circular up top clock counting to change to brown the road causes congestion to 4 straight on the westbound County hatch on the eastbound that is up top 3 palm was a green Billy read b.b.c. Radio London and more for me just before the great London Film podcast. And all in good time for this year's p.s. My London Film Festival I'm Jason Solomon over the next 2 episodes I'll be giving you the insider's guide on what to see and who to was. What are you doing in providing salad dressing. To the festivals of movers and shakers including in this week's episode of the Putin administration saying don't be surprised if something bad happens to you in London Moscow winning documentary make Alex give the award winning director a film a sudden move toward. The makers of what soul to be one of the hits of the festival but it really took this city of acutely an effort from our entire team many of whom it never made it a movie. Flatline in San Francisco. With me Jason Sullivan's available to listen. At b.b.c. Sound a bit. Is fantastic Jackson's podcast give it a listen and yes that I Jason was in of course and we were joined by the director of a documentary about Miles Davis which sounded fantastic I haven't seen it yet but Jason said it's great so we would we were doing that yesterday and today we're going to be joined by 2 other people with a very close link to models they've use one of them is airing Davis miles and the other one is Vince will burn Jr was his nephew was also his drummer knew and a producer on the cooled rubber band which was made by miles towards the end of his life in $85.00 I think. Or 87 away the year it was and was never released at the time when it's certainly been released now and it's been a huge success so we're going to talk about that in a bit and play some but 1st up Evan must be missing and I know. an old soul boy and it was through so music that I go into jazz music jazz gig I ever went and so was the Crusaders in the Tory on 975. And I was immediately smitten I just it for me it was like wow musicians can do that and it's been a lifelong passion ever since really are I'm a huge jazz fan it is pretty much the only music are still buying I still buy lots of music and I got music all different kinds because it was in the show vs in my taste is very broad now but if you stick my arm up the back my back I'm going to some a jazz fan because I just think it's where the greatest musicians live and Amal's was probably the greatest of them all certainly the most restlessly creative of the mall. And right up to the end of his life and it's a piece of music from from quite late in Miles his life that we're about to hear now it's from an album called rubber band and this is rubber band of life. That. Week. Yes. That's a fine piece of music. And 2 of the people involved in it here with me now clearly obviously Miles and Miles is no longer with us but we are joined by his song Erin Davis and also by his nephew and drummer and producer Vince Wilbon Jr Welcome both of you to b.b.c. Radio London. Very very good indeed 1st of all let's talk about the record because it's been a huge success and it's been but it took a long time what happened to it what was the story behind rubberband. Well they thought of working on it in 185 he laid 5 of them and. They were going to Mel a Ray Parker Jr studio primary can studios and you know I was going along nicely with the track to come out and then they decided to. Close of Shelby and start working on 2 tunes that with Marcus Yeah Marcus Miller and now we finally got it out of the I know the closet in this hall was a finished product and you kind of got it to a stage where it was ready would you have to do lots of work on afterwards just have to bring some you know incorporate some new sounds it was 80 sounding Yeah and we wanted to just kind of modernize in the called Call a couple of friends of ours and I have to when legacy yet to come in and spice it give us a group what was what was the thinking No wonder the original sorry but yes your producers Randy hall and St Giles of course but what was my ma's was 1st working on this what was the I was there kind of an idea behind who would you got together in the studio with you do you want to get on the radio you know actually I know that he wanted to already know that he wanted a song he has ready to write a radio that he liked to a Ranger and they really they worked together with Vince and the horn running our group together in Chicago much since kindergarten so yes really for you know he left Columbia anything re me. He said Write me of. So much. That was ever does the balls. So that was that was. What was it like to be in the studio with the state. He was you know I mean you know it was it was it was like it was. You'd be ready for anything you know. Expect the unexpected very creative he liked a lot of things wanted to take soon after that he said they would he would go down hill you know you want to freshen. The tape I think the time you could have the tape run like nowadays are disk have to just come in and record That's it yeah but he said just let it run yeah because that's what you know he done with this is on the light shining with us on one of the yeah so men on the corner you have a fantastic record and that's how it might all of the. Yeah but now you have to let the computer run and the auto tune run on the if you achieve it but somehow I think that what I mean and I don't have this is the No No What was this what was his chops like at the time in terms of his trumpet playing great great he's on top of his game always he wouldn't be you know he was when he was not really ready for if it were real in a setting he would record yeah. You know he was on he was on like a prizefighter you know I mean there's a lot I mean famously creative famously restless and moving on always a world that's on him sometimes difficult to what we never went to so I wouldn't know. The difficulty I don't understand where the I understand he had a way of dealing with things that people would call difficult but for him it was just cutting off all the nonsense just cut all the pleasantries Alyssa's look that doesn't sound good that sounds good this guy can play this guy can play I mean. You want to tell a joke I'm like you know massage everybody's egos and like you know we're trying to make a record here we're trying to tour here whatever we're trying to do. In terms of the people who were playing on it who if we go on a Who's the band Oh come on make up me on the spot you know I don't know I could read out myself you know I got we got to play me that it was a morning you know when I want to you perhaps you know yeah yeah on that track on revenge of life it's. Let us see what. Had the name of grass Laufman He's a young producer out of Minneapolis because he was always running itself with younger people was in them and it was part of you know you know it's like that it's Sunny Williams and 7 say Yeah and so did we you know when we when we called him McNasty coming as he's out of Minneapolis he's Yeah I did that Prince protege school but he's younger Randy hall as is my 25. I think they are I mean what we try to incorporate all you know youth and and season using experience not that but I want to say that because and I my cousin Aaron and I we bounce we we bounce ideas off each other like man when you think we should do it all the music and anything Miles you know and you know we came up with this let's try to put some spice on it is there much more stuff song and why it is that. Time that really no seriousness it's a lot of music left it's music from this period yeah this. I heard there were Prince and miles in the vaults because that's what I was I was going to ask because there's some legendary stuff is easily debris principles and he did a beautiful track with a broken wings for the group Mr Mr you know that from them yet Mr mr he did his rendition is nice so Aaron I'd be back you know slight a lot of music well what's it I mean you know you are who you are and the one Davies does when people now is that you know who that was what effect does that have and people. You know they. If they if they're fans you know they love you know the talk about him they have a story you know I'm always up for hearing it. Sometimes they call me Aaron Miles you know we can can't stop him. You know well you know it's accidental so I don't really take it too serious saying you seen the documentary that's just seemingly about 35 percent. What do you think of that Oh it's wonderful and yet one of the thing only Nelson did a great job it was on the show yesterday yeah you know yeah he did a great job and we had our premiere last night and I did that guy and was great great. The sold out had a q. And a we had Stanley and our producer Nicole London Vince and I doing q. And a it was just really cool new we love we love the u.k. We've we've been here a couple times together and well I mean certainly the world seems to love because it's gone I'm ready well. I mean you know it's one thing to like give the give give people fans you know kind of blue remastered again and yet again but if you give them something haven't heard yet or this stuff they've been waiting to hear or like live music that they haven't heard yet you know that's what we try to do is try to give them something I haven't heard well let's hope there's more but I'm very glad you see it was on the radio it did what he said he would. We just played rubber band by Miles Davis and we've been hearing about that from air and from Vince Wilbon Jr thank you both very very much thank you. Well. You. Look. Like. a nice show today let me run back over what we've done we spoke to Simon Jenkins about a short history of London the creation of a world capital and particularly I think we spoke more really less about history and more about contemporary London and its place in the world and its place in Britain. And I think we both agreed that London goes on the plays the long game it does feel sometimes as if they've as if there's kind of this is under siege or that some of the threat that's difficult and maybe every age has its own difficulties but we'll get for it of that there's no doubt so that was Simon Jenkins then we had a 4 fall off i Phone Maybe sort of a 5 and a half or really of music that simmered from the British folk scene imo I enjoyed about that is apart from the ones I chose none of the more records I would have chosen and that's the whole point really that beats your picks and that's why the 4 for is great because it it broadens l. And you chose some interesting stuff so that's always good it's always good to have a good 4 for then came in and you never know what owner is going to talk about sometimes I suspect she doesn't know what is going to talk about but it doesn't matter because she's always really interesting she must be a fantastic teacher She's a lecturer office and Central some Martins and I'm. Oh she's an absolutely brilliant one because she's just great company had to work to always got a smile on her face always go interesting things to say and it led us on to a conversation about work where. Anonymous like all things in fashion what goes around comes around and I remember there was a huge kind of work where boom in the mid seventy's yes 7475 I reckon his is where what where time and a pair of Smiths jeans or a pair of Oshkosh macaw sure whatever they were called. Brace worn I think maybe with a cap sleeve t. Shirt remember cap sleeved t. Shirts with I mean I made I didn't get mine from Kensington which I think is where they were originally from got mine from Wembley market I reckon and they said that we had kind of felt stuff on the back and those little little sleeves that your men are muscles but soon as I had arms like bits of string I'm not sure looked exactly like Bryan Ferry which was definitely the I'm was always the aim to look like Bryan Ferry back in those days as well as those as well as the work where it was a big Amerikana thing really and so I still wear bowling shirts to member bowling shirts. Again you could get old ones that you brought in on the King's Road or you could get kind of a new ones from Wembley market or whatever dodgy markets there was in the mammas usually Wembley market so I had bowling shirts also Hawaiian shirts were big back then as well there was off you would often wear a Hawaiian shirt with a polo is jeans Lois such is that literally just let me add so there was lots of this stuff about. And then there was definitely a period when we were talking about could do was I really remember and it would have been an absolute interface it would have been like the week before punk started. Going out dressed as if I'd was a hero from Telemark wearing a could go wearing a pair of hiking boots and kind of those big thick socks the hiking type people wear with Charles is tucked into them almost that plus Ford's but not quite an having a real old school rucksack on the back. Kind of trying to look like someone as I said someone going on a mission to blow up a nuclear plant in Nazi Germany I wasn't I was going for a stroll down the King's Road but I'm an I dunno about you but I remember things through I was wearing that's my kind in the monic from my youth what you were listening to and what you were wearing and we talked a lot about what we were wearing today and that's taken us up to the last half an hour and it's music will also remind me what I was wearing what were you wearing when you 1st heard well we'll tell you in a bit now though we're going to go for the news headlines but before that the latest travel up the. Radio London the latest traffic and travel news all the approaches did found a square in Parliament Square a closed extinction rebellion outdoor sittin continues also the junction with Charing Cross Road in Cambridge Circus on the south bound heading towards such far as chorus blocks are by the police for traffic management purposes top and Court Road southbound is blocked because of a broken down bus I hope my Spanish Avenue is slow slow around Russell Square and that's because of roadworks karmas green both ways from clock ounce to Brown road this is the North Circular up top brogue works so congestion on the west bound back to the 4th Street tunnel about a county has a lane on eastbound side also a breakdown there earlier on very briefly. At Bethnal Green very slow on Miss street from the chief station Bethnal Green to the chief station. At Hackney Central Train Station at the central So between Bethnal Green Road and Graham Road this is. As of Westgate street being shot for works down south that one's worth delays on a 3 west hill both ways the South Circular ones with directory system very busy tippets on the northbound as well that's because of works their homes with bridge closure starts to cause problems around this time of night heading out to a for particular bit of an avenue both ways closed because of yesterday's building far from Tavistock I mean towards with road Finsbury Park Queens Drive still shut because of a big burst water main between the 7 Sisters Road and Brown's wood road Billy Reeves b.b.c. Radio London travel more from a health plan. To the radio $94.00 f.m. . B.b.c. Satirists this isn't. B.b.c. Radio. Hundreds news 1 o'clock I'm Welsh and the police in Manchester say 5 people are in hospital after being stabbed at the city's own bell shopping center a man has been arrested counter-terrorism officers are leading the investigation into the incident with the latest His Eric official Greater Manchester Police have confirmed they are responding to an incident at the on Dale center which has been evacuated and that 5 people have been taken to hospital with stab wounds the air ambulance has deployed a rapid response vehicle eyewitnesses have described people running through the center following the incident a man in his forty's has been arrested on suspicion of assault and has been taken into custody for questioning there are unconfirmed reports the man was tasered the investigation is being led by counterterrorism police but officers say they keeping an open mind about the attackers motive trams through exchange square in the city center have been held while the police operation is under way the 5 year old daughter of a British Iranian woman who was jailed in Iran on spying charges has returned to the u.k. Now as a means ag Ari Rockliffe who's a charity worker from West Ham's that adds. Being detained for 3 years over the allegations which she denies her daughter Gabriella who's been living with her grandparents in Tehran returned today to start school in the u.k. Her father Richard says he was a rusty parent but he was pleased to have a hope to see you see her sleeping last night. And strange how she was making and. Just she's much better I mean she went out I wanted 3 quarters you know she is now 5 got her own view thank you so much. And yeah it's lovely bless her she's been very brave. As you know told me that but she'll see him back in London and that. The ground is not dirty. And I will take it one day at a time so they can says he's utterly devastated to learn of the fatal stabbings of 2 more teenagers in London the 1st a 15 year old boy known to his friends as Baptista was attacked as he got off a bus in Stratford the 2nd an 18 year old was killed on.