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We'll be talking about wold mental health as it approaches a very worrying trend has been revealed by the NASH The Office for National Statistics they have revealed that there is an increase in the suicide rates in the U.K. The campaign for living against sorry the campaign against living miserably the chief executive officer of that Simon gunning will be discussing what can be done to combat the rise I'm looking forward to having Zacky Cooper in the studio who's a trustee of the Council of Christians in Jews he'll be in to review the papers. And another Cooper but this time Professor Cary Cooper who's a professor of organizational psychology and health we telling us about how much influence our upbringing has on us in later life if you are one of those people who had booked a holiday or you had booked to go away for whatever reason whether it is business except to you will want to tune in to hear what is going to be happening tomorrow and Tuesday because apparently pilots at British Air. Always there set to strike always these things you always hope at the last minute they might come through maybe they can negotiate but where we stand right now it looks like there will be strike action tomorrow and Tuesday and Simon cold who's from the independent will be discussing what the strike is about and the impact it will have on thousands of passengers traveling over the next couple of days and I'm looking forward to having Lizzie ball in the studio she is the classical kicks found now the classical kicks is a night critics explores a whole range of music but she is a classically trained by Lynas exit Tra So you've got classical you go whatever you've got poetry all these things but Lizzie will be coming in to talk about that is there much awaited return to the upstairs venue at Ronnie Scott's jazz club that happens tonight so she'll be in this morning to tell us about it so that's what's on the agenda as always I love to hear from you the number 0807312807312000 things we started talking a lot of talk about in the last hour include your feelings about the political climate right now also whether it is nature or nurture when it comes to people's behavior we've been talking about that because of this teenager because of this criminal who hacked off a teenager's hand and the judge blamed it on the parents and family and the way he was brought up. So I want to hear from you whether you agree with the judge that that kind of behavior is learnt or whether it is inherent. And then the other thing we go on to which is a story that caught my attention on Twitter this week I always like to do one story from Twitter is about black head and whether or not it's political and Marie Good morning morning to book a how do you know more likely. Hold. Up the story it's like you have a fever running into trouble and caused it and I have to tell you that. It's the change of the season I almost I was so tempted this morning and the read to talk to ask people for that. Potential solutions for a cold because I woke up this morning and you know when you can just feel you're on the edge of a potential cold Yes So it's oh I'm with you in spirit is what I'm saying but you know but I'm going to be taking lots of vitamin C. That's always my recommendation and it's a good job he told me now because. Usually 1st thing in morning actually. Anyway let's. Do one side and let's talk about what are your thoughts here as well as it is I mean I'm not sure who said it's because of seeing all the articles but. The about like a black eye is controversial I mean I think any case controversial. Particular particularly what was said something. No no no no no just to set it into context this is something that happened in America and this story caught my attention where charities are going in to help young people really get jobs and get on the work land and all the things that you want for a young person but one of the things these people one of the things this particular charity has done and that lots of people are criticizing a have all they are encouraging young people with with dreadlocks or with locks to the head also is mainly with dreadlocks Yeah it's mainly with dreadlocks so and it was unfortunate really because the picture. That the charity pushed up. I think disturbed people because the passenger who was cutting the hair was the head of this charity she was using. You don't like those says you. She was using one of those so they were doing a photo opportunity so she was with this young person she says through his head but they were like not profit from. The addresses so people got really upset about that what do you say but also the broader issue is. Should you be doing that passes head is that what makes them better for society Yeah exactly just to. Person literally have dreadlocks as a number she was Why do you have dreadlocks Oh was he right of the charity all right oh oh and she was caught in the head while she was doing a photo opportunity so you had Yeah but I think you've got Bob but that it led me to ask this question about is black hair political because you know I told the story about you know her lawyer and I told story about being an actress and you know having cup my comb my hair yeah you know those go on international tool and I always feel that black hair in particular has become this something that I don't know if it's something about it that seems to make people react in certain ways yes I think you're right no you're right I agree with what you say and it's to. Political I think in general is to the political. It's not only now I think it's political but maybe certain hair I mean. You know any type of hair but I think mainly dreadlock. It's not only rest of herion also that where. You know you start becoming fashion Oh there's different fashionable you know liquid all different things now here but. It is a thing I think is I mean oh my gosh I'm going to strike when you're good you know boys who say I mean that's crazy I know he's not you know but you know I know some people do something oh no why people regard dreadlocks as you know not not for business. If you wear your hair it doesn't matter what type of her you have if it's tight if it's neat that you know and then know we ourselves as people is what we hair is important to us yeah. I mean I was going to school my mom used to always come and Coco my hair until I had it relax your brain to have it good even if 100 Did you know that's a bit groovy I'm Mary I'm going to have to leave it there because I'm done on time so I guess waiting but you've made your point really well always good to speak to you thank you ever so much for the cool I mean I'm really that's saying actually. I think for any any background this pride in taking your head looking off to your head except But all that should be a head that is. Either that societal e acceptable and if that is the case what is that head. And that's just one of the stories we're talking about keep your calls coming in 080-731-2714 now what a week it has been the government lost control of parliament as well as that majority prime minister Boris Johnson sacks 21 Conservative M.P.'s and then saw his own brother resign from both the cabinet and the party soon followed late last night by the Rudd and considering he said he'd rather die in a ditch than delay pricks again tomorrow will see the bricks bill which is intended to block a no deal pass into law after receiving royal assent with the added threat that if he ignores the law M.P.'s are preparing legal action which could result in the prime minister ceasing prison Well joining which is Gus This is a media Hadfield's the professor and head of Department of Politics at the University of sorry and the director of the center of Britain in Europe Thank you ever so much for joining us this morning good morning good morning to MacRae Thanks for having me on a pleasure. Even living memory Have we ever lived through such a time as this. I hate to say I remember when because it might take a little bit for you or your listeners and that's the horror of thinking here on a Sunday morning I can't remember a more fast and furious week and certainly one with any more consequences for Britain and implications for Europe so I think you're right it's been pretty tough so what should we take from this I mean we're in fact no where are we now because it feels like we're just in a vortex and not really going very full details I know the sort of feeling of you know backward one step or even 2 to turn it around a little bit is sort of omnipresent I think where we are now. We're in a week where we're going to see parliament alternately suspended provoked and I'm entirely sure what that's going to happen possibly there it's. Before that happens obviously as you as you said at the introduction of the Ben Bill affectionately as it's known is going to return to the House of Commons on Monday tomorrow and will receive oil is sent and that's it that that means that that symbol and the focus there for now is on the next step really and there are 2 there's a domestic one and there's a European one the domestic one is to mediate an election at this point will Boris Johnson try for election and the European want to courses the incredible pressure that is now placed on the to go shooters However they there are to go to Brussels and then finally the prime minister himself August 17th to go to Brussels and try to return with a deal so you've got a 2 pronged strategy happening this week then you've also got in the midst of all of that you've also got loyalties being tested a lot will you. Give an analogy but I'm not going to just get there because I get it from what I read lots of people changing so I don't read it like you gave. It really isn't it and I think some some people have changed have been real surprises and others and others haven't as well you see people obviously you know we've had the withdrawal from 21 conservative is it I think not so astonishing anymore that Amber rather and people like her are really beginning to fall away in her statement she said I cannot stand by as good loyal moderates conservatives are expelled and I really that is that that is the point isn't it that these are the very heart you know of the Conservative Party what it has looked like for the last 20 or 30 years you know it's not it's not exactly you know fringe cringe members who are unable to identify that and the other the ability I think to to push them far far away from the to the party and then you have to ask you what's going to put its place in into into what makes for a board a vacuum and I think it was David Koch who said well you know the prime minister is trying to transform the Conservative Party into. You know into the wrecks of parking light by by removing the 21 and now 22 obviously for the cross on the House of 12 so there's been a hemorrhage it's interesting to compare this with you know the previous prime minister treason a she endured humiliation after humiliation you know compromised and Johnson's been and you know absolutely the opposite he's like a lot of the supply just let stuff happen to me he's got a very combative approach attempt to force a resolution and you know he's lost 4 votes in the House he's had this dreadful speech in which field in front of the that obviously had only so far left him with a very very bloody nose but he's got a good what I should've thought about their possible little money back but it happened there and you you see what you know the anger that you know the police chiefs up there were saying you know use you've used what should have been an unbiased speech about it increases police group meant for as they could lay public overture about trying to get a general election off the ground so to handlings been bad Jim are quite you know the tone has been bad yeah the the sense of how you manage your 1st couple of days in government you know has been really awful and this is I mean the American Miller talk about the optics of using the elbow to the optics for Boris Johnson from where many people are standing are particularly bad and yet it seems like when they poll the general public. Their ratings are high I'm trying to understand that dichotomy. That is difficult at this point I think we've got the Tories polling on 33 around that Labor 26 May Dems around 17 and then the bricks apart you know 14 just to give your listeners a sort of spread it's not a jolly and late it's about 7 percentage points fairly similar margin to the one I think David Cameron had in 2050 what he won a fairly tiny majority but your question's a very good one you know what it what explains that I think to be honest I think people who support Boris Johnson earth that's exactly what they're doing they're supporting Boris Johnson you know as a leader and say well I've also really as a leader he has to actually anything not just to you know to do what he wants in the house but to try to get breakfast across the line to those who you know support the Conservative Party though and I was numbers don't tell us who supporting one I wonder if it's it's a more difficult balance for them I think they have found their you know their hopes and dreams really dashed I think in terms of you know parliamentary legitimacy the ballot the democracy and in the last couple of weeks I've been probably like like Amber rather many many others absolutely astonished but people like you know Ken Clarke Philip Hammond. Mixer Nicholas Oh good loyal moderate conservatives as I've read herself called them you know have been some fairly didn't dismissed I mean 2 things to draw from that really is a huge amount of talent I mean the these folks are you know people who know and have worked to transform the Conservative Party into something much more palatable that would have given them a much more considerable lead in the polls and to of course be at the just the sort of purge like feel that you have there's I don't think this is ever happened before in British politics it would so collectively and so instantly withdraw the whip of for $21.00 I wouldn't be surprised if further resignations followed and followed quickly do you have any names you think Mike Lee Oh. I I don't know. I wasn't surprised to see Rod I do. you know that the child has been extraordinarily happy obvious they but i think that would be at that was he just i'm getting in incredible blow for him to late but johnson have to worry you know only have to look at his cabinet now accent you know they they are not happy michael gove was want to have on on happy with it was role of the with and i think the the machinations than a house in particular are going to make it very very difficult for him somebody who i think is probably you know very much in in in his sights and possibly intel but the coming sites of course is the speaker job but so but that sits very care they've already made enough but that they planet is that the candidate against hiv in bucking share so if i mean john bercow is one of those you people have suddenly be gone to lord you know and and celebrate an say that thank goodness we have them i mean this there's a there's a wonderful clip of social really this week away with telling everybody all for the we got so many views because easy to be standing his ground and he knows war parliament should be about yes absolutely he's them you know lost or a parliamentary procedure and you can't say that that i was as they law and it's also it's is a slightly strange thing to love and somebody you know over the you know their parliamentary procedure easy you know he knows or skinned they like the back at his had you make is that a thought of person to to to to come but the but the darling of to you know parliamentary democracy it but actually he has the problem of course is it is in standing his ground in if this very very desk use of of some of the lesser known methods of sort of moving things along the parliament it is the it the rationale behind it that i think has come into question and a thief said abby edinburgh for a checked self you know he was go to defend they've that the possibility a preventing move but at least a nodia breck's it so he's been fleeing instantly is biased you know by by the conserve the kartik it's a rather ironic because i don't know i i'm not sure if that's exactly true because he's he has a duty of care to thing in the house human able discussion and his fiore you know went program gratian was announced by think is not on typical both someone who hunts has has fought to try to make sure And to try to take very serious you know that duty of care so I mean there are many tread lines in this and of course people are crossing over various you know moving from. The party that maybe a year ago they would have looked at askance and said Not so my life would I have a joy. Different that's a different matter one of my callers earlier this morning made a really good point about Is it possible that given basically we are in crisis I think for many people looking at it they're saying we're in crisis and also that we all potentially becoming the laughingstock of the world you know this idea that we are going to be the individual country and you know find go back to the idea of empire quote unquote in a way is being eroded by the shenanigans going on in politics but one of the things that caller said was about is there any way the tribal nature old politics could be set aside that we could that they could collectively joining together and for once act in the best interests of the country is that a pipe dream. If it's a longing that we we so desperately need at this point we've got to all of this split one of the very longstanding one I think in many ways not just between the right and of after you know obviously articulated by Labor and Conservative and that's a support that's working anyways I mean people kind of high people after they have to the right and I don't feel it particularly tribal but I think in the last 10 years you know maybe really since almost since the coalition government but certainly possibly since the referendum toxic nature to that that sort of I'm I'm a member of this party and I have no respect for you because you're a member of the other party the people have been less able to accept other people's differences without those differences as categorically morally wrong that we've gone from a sort of horrors also playing field in which I'm over here in Europe there that's fine to I'm up here you are below me and that's. Not fine you know you know I have nothing to do with you and the 2nd split of course is the is the lever main split and because the leave remain colors in the leave her main identities are so evenly painted over the conservatives to lead Dems the Greens and the labor particularly the Labor and Conservative because it's very difficult to say with any real certainty many go back I've given Labor voter is as you know decidedly leave or decided they were making SAS I think makes people feel they have to defend not just their political choice but their referendum choice as well so that's a try with a try and then on top of this I think people have to salsa sort of justify what they believe in with regards to the you know what the government current government is doing at any given time so if you back are it's Johnson you're going to have had a rather tough week or perhaps you'll be able to write it off and say well you know leaders need to do this and others are going to just look like the blind it's you know cringingly embarrassing to have to say this is how our party has been governed for the last sort of you know you know couple of weeks I thought just Phillips put it very well Labor M.P. In the house a couple of days ago when she expressed tremendous sympathy I think for the the tribal tensions that had been really within the Conservative Party you know to places and she said you know she said pointing to the to Conservative benches you have given me sympathy you've given me sympathy when things have gone terribly astray in the Labor Party which I thought was a nice comment and then she said but there and then she was terribly strong she said but you just sat by and watched your colleagues kind of frogmarched out the door so you know M.P.'s themselves professional politicians are deeply unhappy you know serving in a structure that has changed is desperately I think from someone else you know Jenny when representation you know to one that's rife with with toxicity. And let's touch on labor because. I don't know whether there is a great hope in the whole. Lots of people that labor and Jeremy called in at the helm will be able to either stop this or at least amend it to something that is palatable that's a that's a great question I mean the concept of a of a labor Grex it has at least begun to clarify I think this is very much I think down to the efforts of you know circular Starmer who will really about how severe those sort of insisted on a point by point scheme and saying you know if BRACKS It could achieve the following things you know then we supported those you know that bar was I think deliberately made high at the same time I think they have now finally said if we campaign if there is a general election we will obviously support a 2nd referendum that that's something that we feel has to happen 1st so that degree of clarity I think has been exceptionally helpful I think something unexpected last week and this is perhaps increased Corben standing not just really quite you know a passionate performance in front of a despatch box was was certainly good but the holding the line on insisting that they have been bill passed through the house the Lords and back to the house again and being absolutely dedicated that that's not so not a whiff of going towards a bill on a national on a general election which would be would be considered at this point and he's done that not just I think in a way to clarify the Labor Party stance on this but he's done it in a in a genuinely cross party way so he's got it alongside the talks with the big dams and the S.N.P. In the green saying listen if we total mind together you know there's no way they're going to be able to get that through the House and Jim McColl you were Cygnus yourself because they are the sheer scale by which that that vote was lost where you say so I guess they tried it the House tomorrow by said to develop that that that law would be even greater actually so my of my quit my other question to the burqa listening out there this morning is you know Candy government submit the same bill for the next term parliamentary act again yeah because Bercow is an MD. Concern issue remember back in the spring but they couldn't lay the same bill twice and actually put a bill the. Same on the 2nd coming around perhaps the conservatives have not offered to explain why the 2nd attempt to get the bill through the house with a vote on the bill even if it's somehow different but you don't work out you yourself I mean he. Doesn't want it to happen. In other right up their sleeve enough. Motion and not just sort of motion saying there will be an election date on that piece of paper the problem is Labor will rub their hands with glee and go great we have the right to be able to change that date. So yeah well the next week is definitely going to be interesting Emily you've been marvelous Thank you ever so much for joining us Amelia Hadfield who's a professor and head of Department of Politics at the University of sorry and director of the center of Britain in Europe want your thoughts please 080-731-2020 has the 730 news headlines. Thanks very much good morning Amber Rudd has quit the cabinets and surrendered the conservative whip saying she cannot stand by while moderate conservatives are expelled number 10 has said it's disappointed by the resignation of a talented minister the business secretary Andrea led some has accused the Komen Speaker John Bercow of breaking the rules of parliament by allowing M.P.'s to take control of Commons business writing in The Mail on Sunday she says he's failed to be impartial and says the conservatives will field a candidate against him at the next election a 6 year old boy he was allegedly thrown off a balcony at the Tate Modern is making amazing progress according to his family a 17 year old boy has been charged with attempted murder and a trial will start in February at the Old Bailey and in sports England back to the top of the euro. 20 qualifying group with a full of Bulgaria at Wembley have a Cain school tea penalties on his way to hat trick London's weather mostly dry day and ultra drawl the chilly start it will feel warm in the sunshine with highs of 19 Celsius or 66 found Heights B.B.C. 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If someone did say to me a few years ago we would know all this stuff the the language that we don't know the Perot getting of the this is that even the bricks and all of this got us that would have been like that and look this is where we are so making your calls and comments about that and what you think was in store for next week and also. We're also talking about nature or nurture you know is it down to parenting is people are people Paypal's behavior people's behavior is it down to parenting taking your calls on that Lenny Good morning. That we're fine thanks so much for joining us this morning so you're. With the parenting well. Well to Shelly. Self with one thing and runs into another because if you can just play with if I can explain it in the way are why not changed all that build a life is that all men are like a domino effect and really take the government. Tell the top ally spoilt going to have. Like when the conservatives reduced the police folks we've now got crowing in abundance. And shock when you say it's. A No do at Lloyd's which we have to live with. You say now and then it's quaint The parents had also like to think we're always said to be out. With was by what was wrong and I changed if the pavement and says So I'd say in no crowing that the noble thing that is to wipe the children will grow up and they know and we have got to find out why my kin but the parents made responsible but that children. Because of the fall and. Enjoy all of experience I don't want anything should really show someone now when I asked to leave them of strikes. And and the human rights to not like tying for them mistypes. But let me explain that you have really clearly and beautifully put but can I ask you this because despite what she said and I take the point about us there in the environment we're brought up in does have an M.P.'s on us I don't argue that point but we also know that that does not determine in the face doesn't fully determine who we are oh no going to be as human beings So Mike I suppose the core of my question is about when someone here will change you know and act this bad you know for is this criminal one of somebody's hand can we really blame the parents. Let's go the other way well I'll tell you they agree with you and you will understand if you try to raise hell my chain was brought up because I told her all prim and proper goes to church regularly but believe. Early intervention or whether or wouldn't it be a choice a chairman paying she'd left the church I left the 10 Commandments beyond because she did she would go to church on a Sunday. A poit boy God and the 10 Commandments and when change church or the late by can mean a thing to a well I mean obviously week icons say for Theresa May she may be upholding those very things that she learned just because she's older practicing and I don't know this for a fact because she's not practising obviously outwardly practicing as a Christian doesn't mean that she doesn't uphold the morality that she was brought up with. Well I tried my code it's not that we couldn't say. Well I can't. Quite recall we were told made you look at the way the wind washed your wife's you know there were so many things that would show no lawyer. You know if you know you are trying to come out and I Lennie I mean I take your point sadly I've run out of time because I'd love to have had expanded on this conversation but you know the point that you make which is that the way your brought up it still it gives you a step but it doesn't mean that you all you want tethered to that forever with the good old bad surely isn't that the kind of conversation we need to have I mean I don't know and also obviously I don't know where religiously Drazen May is eccentric such as I can't use as an example but I think there is something about you surely who you that surely if OK here is this is me just being philosophical before I go to my next guest that surely if you are innately good and I'm happy to take calls on this but if you are a NEGLI good whatever the circumstances you find yourself in that good will come to the full surely that is true I mean unless you're telling me that you know that somehow all the good in you can be beaten out by life. Maybe I'm just naive but you know I've seen things I've had things done to me so I know that I that there is that the only did nobody is perfect that the idea that because all things happen to you that you can't still be the person you're meant to be I struggle with . OK And it's still funny so let me thank the clerk. Y'all need to call me between 6 and 7 because we have more time to have a good old chat then I need to turn to this and this is a very serious subject it's 741 I'm Jim OK this is in spirit Sunday breakfast program the suicide rate in the U.K. Has risen for the 1st time since 2013 Official figures show The Office for National Statistics found that 3 quarters of deaths from suicide registered in 2018 were of men with those in their late forty's with the highest suicide rate over there was also a significant rise among young girls and women aged $10.00 to $24.00 this week this fit the think is this week come only days away from well mental health day which takes place next the state joining me to discuss the rise in the suicide rate what more can be done to reach out to those in need and look forward to well mental health day is Simon gunning the chief executive officer of calm which is the campaign against living miserably Simon thank you ever so much for joining us this morning. And I suppose the 1st question is when I read it and you know you're in the middle of the so you would understand from touch on young girls and women because when someone says from the age of 10 that is particularly shocking do we have insight into why. Like I said I think I'm pretty sure you know we we spend comes a lot from working with organizations like Instagram trying Lavie I some of the pressure is social media pressure on young people. Especially defense was a question as body image. And spirit of competition you know many many things but I think it would be a little bit trite just to try to fill in one sitting. A lot of such Me taking should be society at least it's unquestionably true in that the companies that run the pictures media platforms are pretty much but the hands out and to the credit are trying to match up. Against the continuing pressures of. Our day and age if you like contribute as well but it is like you say it's a really boring term that is compounded by also a very longer term view of that which is that in previous records as you mentioned just an older man 45 to 15 in fact in the past 55 plus constituted the largest group however when we look at young people as a whole and especially when the recent numbers see young girls and women there is there's a real army trying to launch young people which catching up. So let's talk about the men then in their in their late forty's again we breed as you say you know it's difficult to pinpoint one particular thing that would give us a sense why they're committing side but there must be some rules issues that we can discuss the around how do we live in a way that combat that stress and strain that leads down to this ball. With men it's pretty well trodden path I'm trying to work out why that is the case because it has been 3 quarter sort of a 3 quarter mile for a long time and we come to fairly solid conclusions so men are much less likely to present medical health care so when we finally get around these locked up or getting our brains that we struggle with and that means that sadly from karmas perspective what we charged weekly clinical ISIS are worth just made up so is it is try to help people men to go except to take that sets the same for medical health care what we try to do is a levy ID issues elsewhere and we do that culturally so we're very focused on music and football and sport and comedy and all those kind of things so we use these Trojan horses to try to introduce names to people that may know they're able to question alive so the campaign against it in which it is clearly that men are notoriously. Successful as prey that way of communicating and talking about how they feel we found a trick sentiment that admits a bottling up their failings so clearly what we can do as a society as a culture is look at bad boys brothers our friends our husbands and and try to change that and it's it's a hard thing because I'm a middle aged man and he's been brought up with this strange confusion between silence and strength when actually you know the hardest thing is to talk about how you're feeling that somehow we're for us as a culture of this or. Being staying silent is what what constitutes strength. We try to concur she was to look after each other and especially when we look at younger boys I've got 13 year old I want to be able to find his model of masculinity I don't want some 3rd party to define it for him and tell him that it's got to be a specific thing otherwise he's a failure the last thing that we want for him is that his gender would be a death sentence yeah and just in conclusion before I go to my next guest that we've got World Mental Health Day which takes place next day you know as you said the conversations around mental health are happening a lot so are they being effective. Well clearly come suicides because we can see the numbers are 11 percent up and that's the 1st increase as you mentioned earlier says 2030 minutes it's really alarming there is a change the way the numbers are being calculated that doesn't tell the whole story . What I guess anecdotally I've been doing this for 2 years and never been anywhere near this environment before and 2 years ago we had to go out banging the drum to try to get on the right. Now there's a Q. And A world mental health day we will be incredibly busy with media requests so it shows that there is that we have that there has been a change. There has been but that we are more open to these conversations which in the past we were frankly founded Barassi however clearly what we need to do is follow those conversations with actual and results Thank You have so much for joining us this morning that is Simon Dunning the chief executive officer of com which is the campaign against living amidst rebellion of course if you're affected by any of the issues that we're talking about this morning don't forget there is support out there such as COM but also the Samaritans and many other organizations please seek help if you can 1st and keep talking hopefully that will help keep the calls coming in over 807312747. It's time now for our News Review Cat C. Of seche Cooper he's a trustee of the Council of Christians and Jews 2nd great to have you back in the on the program thanks Rym OK Great to be here right OK let's go back to the well the shock news yesterday over and the right I mean we've been talking about it of course on the program this morning brick see it's course everywhere I mean even if you were under a rock he would know by now know what breaks you even know what Perot getting is which wasn't in the lexicon maybe a few weeks ago what are your thoughts about oh yeah I think that start to not be know one of the good things about this whole. Episode has been how engaged a lot of people are and what's going on in politics I mean and I know you remember a few years ago people would say are you know people appear completely disinterested in politics in the no big issues but I think the referendum since June 26th Dean has really thrown out a sawin and now people are incredibly engaged so you go out with friends and you do end up talking about politics and I think actually that's a good thing overall obviously we've had yesterday as you say the resignation of amber alert from the nominee from the cabinet that she said she's going to stand down as a conservative and it's been another dramatic week I mean it is quite incredible how much is happening every day every week you know things that happen over the course of the we usually happen over the course of an average school year and there's a lot to digest and actually a complicated picture because this is being played out obviously in 10 Downing Street in Brussels in parliament and the court so there's a lot going on. And next week of course we've got more that will be the happening I suppose you talk about political engagement and that is great because one of the potentials not dyed in the wool the one of the potentials is there may be an election there may be a snap election cold and one hopes that if people of that engage they will go. Yeah I mean you know I said I said people are engaged and I think that's true on the one hand but I think also people are fed up and. And of course we've had 2 elections since 2015 We've had a quite a lot of elections we've had a referendum you know as a British public we're used to voting every 4 or 5 years and we've had a lot more voting to do in the last few years on the whole I think Britons are choose been you know we'll elect our government let them get on with there and then 45 years later we'll come again to the ballot box we had a lot more to do and I think there is this split feeling amongst the public on the one hand incredible kind of concern and sort of engagement as to what's going on but on the other hand just fed up and let the politicians aside and let's get on with it. Let's turn our attention to something completely different now the pope is in Africa where in Africa I was he's not stuck in a lift I hope this time it's barely got stuck in the lift recently about 30 minutes . The lift engineers are on hand to sort out of the problems. Yes he's in Mozambique in Madagascar it's how she his 4th visit to the continent since 2013 so he's paying a lot of attention whereas his predecessor Pope Benedict only went twice I mean he's rightly recognizing that Africa is a really important continent for the Catholic Church in particular and for Christianity in general there's a lot of growth there's some staggering statistics I mean one that I read said that by 2060 more than 4 in 10 Christians all over the world will be in sub-Saharan Africa. And whereas in your U.K. In Europe the rates. Christianity are either quite stagnant or declining in Africa there's this incredible explosive explosive growth so Africa has a really important continent in so many ways for the future of the world economically then I think there's some really interesting growth going on across Africa it's an innovation but also when you look at through the issue of faith. For example you know for the Catholic Church there's huge growth and it's important for a number of other religions as well. And going from what we're going from one religion to another related. Religion to the religion of football and cricket yes because I've never got a car I'm sure you are I kid you are you a cricket you are. And I do you really. You put it all the what do you want to say well I just thought for listeners this is is has been and is a great weekend for sport we've had a lot going on we've obviously got the 4th Test much going on up in Manchester waiting and are struggling to save the Test and will have an uphill struggle today right to say the test I mean I do fear that it's not going to happen for England unless the I thought they were doing really well well they were they were there I mean they did all these names then whatever is it. And what's his name Pensacola as a couple weeks ago performed absolutely heroic to win the Test match for England make the series are 11 but now Australia look like 14 they're going to win the 4th Test which would mean that they retain the Ashes because it would mean they lead to one with want to go to the best England could do is to to and because Australia won it last time they would retain it so some 14 looks like the ashes may be slipping away from you you know you like the Guinness Christian of me because I really don't know anything about one of my former boyfriends spent the whole off to do try to explain to be cricket ally remember just they go away it's because I love you because this is boring thing I've ever had. But why does it keep going back and forth is like nobody else plays great you know well I mean you know it's all straight. Also really is that just that's just well you're right there are only a very small number of Test playing nations I think it's about 9 something like that it's about 9 or 10 they tended to be cologne your countries Britain. In the days of Empire tended to take cricket around the world but not all companies and it's a NEWS TO question is why I went to somebody's hands yes. I mean I don't play cricket in Nigeria you know I mean some countries really quick to wrong because I mean anyone who's traveled to India will know that basically cricket cricket is a complete religion Yeah I mean a cricket star cannot walk down the street in India without me absolutely mobbed so and you see little kids all over India just playing cricket with the baton ball and it's amazing so so so yeah there are certain countries the play The England Australia robbery goes back I think 1877 I think it's a start rivalry and they play for the Ashes and yeah it's a very. Sort of passionate thing when the 2 countries play each other and there's this fierce rivalry and it's it captivates certain people I think in each country not everyone and I mean my wife I think will join you she's not really good thank goodness for that but then of course there is the football which you know is just talking about women's football because we've got a new show starting on Friday which looks at women's sport and all of that and that's a really exciting development in football yeah yeah I mean women's football is really on the rise you know I can say my own daughter who's 10 is interested now not only to follow but the stop playing as well I think a lot of young girls around London and around the U.K. Are so interested to play now I mean England did really well in the women's World Cup which obviously sort of heightened interest and I think that's a really interesting growth area I mean the men's game in England especially is so massive globally which is fantastic but I think alongside that we're seeing this rise in the women's game one final story from you let's talk about labor and anti semitism this is the senior Labor M.P. John Mann has left the Labor Party to become the anti semitism still a song yeah I mean absolutely he's announced plans that's what he wants to do he's been a Labor M.P. For quite some number of years but I think he's grown disillusioned germy Coburn's leadership I mean. He's done some fantastic work or had the sentence of I mean he's not Jewish himself but he has recognized the importance of taking action against anti-Semitism and it's done some fantastic work over a number of years and I think it's sad that someone like that should be lost to the House of Commons because we need talented politicians in the House of Commons and it's sad that people like that no longer see a future for themselves in the House of Commons particularly in the Labor Party because he feels it's a place which isn't dealing adequately with anti semitism and you could also say that on a separate note the 21 conservative in peace who were expelled this week you know it's very sad we need we need a place in our politics for talented politicians particularly the big beast like Ken Clarke Ethel Hammond You know I think so yeah yeah so you know whatever you think of their particular views. But we need you know big sweeping political characters so I think on both sides of the political divide that's that's not a good development and also I think that the idea that there are all those voices who sees it who have been long in the tooth who have seen more than most of us have seen to see them really go to see them being asked to leave is actually quite devastating to devastating for U.K. Politics there's no substitute for experience and we do have a thing in U.K. Politics about so statesmen and stateswomen people as he said people who've been around the block who's seen and done it and I think we need them to remain involved I mean John Major interesting is a form from Minister has become quite an important figure. In the last few weeks and I think that that's a valuable voice and also a national conversation and yeah I mean the idea that this government and the Labor Party don't have room for some of their you know really important characters who made an amazing contribution over a number of years because they happen to disagree with them over a particular issue is not mature politics you know if you always choice you thank you so much Jacki Cooper a trustee of the Council of Christians and. Jews taking a look at some of the stories that have emerged over the past week or so. Of course resigning we're talking about bricks it and Perot going at the pope being in Madagascar in Africa seeing it as a Suppose a brand may be the front of the new frontier for Christians seeing is that there's such a further if you like for Catholicism except for also talking about cricket and football and then of course the movement of the M.P. John man who has left the Labor Party and other politicians who have left the parties that they have been loyal to in the past well any of that catch you're caught your attention you want to have a conversation about it free feel free to give us a call 807312000 thank you for all the e-mails coming in I will get to those in the next. Coming up we've got the news at 8 with Tanya but 1st Stevie has to travel. B.B.C. 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With a deal was the government's main objective breaks to take Conservative M.P. a Piece of bone says he's not surprised by her decision to quit she's always been opposed to leaving European Union she was on the main losses of the remaining campaign so I think the surprise of all she joined the government science excepted Boris Johnson's position which was if we can get a deal we'll leave with no deal. Of October so my surprise she's resigned does not look bright the business secretary Andrea lead some has said the conservatives will feel they can today say against the common Speaker John Burke a at the next general election traditionally the major parties don't contest the speaker's sees but Mr Kay has angered ministers by the way he's handled the recent break sit debates Simon Jones reports writing in The Mail on Sunday Andrea led some said the Speaker's role was to be a politically impartial independent part of proceedings but she claimed that John Bercow by allowing M.P.'s opposed to a no deal Breck's it to take control of the commons timetable not just bent the rules but broken them there was no love lost between Mrs led some. Mr Bercow last year he was alleged to have labeled her stupid though he insisted he had muttered the word to describe how he felt about the way the government Commons business ships and aircraft are helping to move thousands of people from the islands in the Bahamas worst hit by the deadly hurrican Dorrian one cruise ship with more than a 1000 evacuees has arrived in Florida aid agencies say the situation on greater bacco island is desperate with residents on able to find food or clean water President Trump has said he's calling off negotiations with the Taliban over the possible withdrawal of U.S. Troops from Afghanistan after a bombing which killed a U.S. Soldier Mr Trump said he had been due to hold peace talks later today boss accused the Taliban of being unable to stick to a cease fire British Airways pilot South begin a 2 day strike at midnight in the ongoing dispute about pay and conditions passengers are being told not to go to airports and be aces most have made alternative arrangements pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong have marched to the U.S. Consulate to urge President Trump to liberate the territory they want the U.S. Congress to pass a law to protect their democracy by requiring Hong Kong special trading status with the U.S. To be examined in new each year in sports the Canadian teenager Bianca Andrea skew has beaten Serena Williams in the final of the U.S. Open it so fast a grand slam win and prevents Williams from equalling the wreck or for a major titles she's paid tribute to her opponents see out of her play and unbelievable match and congratulations so proud and happy for Harry. Carriers are you know it was an incredible tennis out there wish I could've played better but I mean if anyone could win this tournament outside of the U.S. I'm happy to. Have us be our guest. And tens of thousands of runners a gathering in New Castle for the Great North Run.