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Radio London it's 6 minutes past 9. Digital Radio 94.9 F.M. And on B.B.C. Sounds this is love this is B.B.C. Radio London Vanessa Feltz love you listen welcome to the program so nice of you company today it's Tuesday the 6th of August 6 minutes past 9 is the time we're going for a conversational trip to the small and we have 3 subjects for you the 1st is dementia care and Dame Barbara Windsor has made the front pages today with her husband Scott Mitchell brave Barbara's plea to Boris end the dementia cast scandal now say Scott Mitchell And Barbara are saying they're fortunate in that they have some money and they have quite a lot of support but there are lots of people battling dementia without either of those things and what we found out this morning are various things say for one is that it's a very varied and individual illness and it affects people in different ways some people are happy and content with their dementia some and very troubled by it some are you know very disturbed others more tranquil in obviously there are very many different stages too and we found out this morning from different experts that a lot of the the care for somebody with dementia depends a lot on where they live you know if you're in a bar that's well served you'll have a better support system and network than if you're not so that seems to be desperately unfair we also know that you end up paying for your care if you have any money and lots of people are saying that's not fair either if you have cancer you don't pay for that you have a heart attack you don't pay for that why do you have to pay if you have to mention social CAS they were talking about that on the show we're talking about the fact that Michael but the veteran broadcaster has said obesity that's not an illness or disease he says that is just weakness he says if you're fat good your choice be fat die young and free up the N.H.S. For everybody else I mean very harsh words indeed why he felt like he wanted to talk about absolutely no idea but already on the show we've had a surgeon saying Michael buck is entirely wrong that obesity has been class of. Find as an illness a natural disease that people process for different you have different metabolisms different ways of breaking down the calories they eat and that obesity is an illness it's a disease you can battle for a certain length of time and then eventually the whole thing will overtake you and you will simply get fatter and fatter He says the answer is Barrett trick surgery but we had a lovely listening his last 11 statements as nonsense you can get on top of this kind of thing it's all about a change of lifestyle Also this morning we talked about fast fashion with the fashion director of The Daily Mirror and she said even though obviously fashion is life it's a career it's her passion we have to be much more circumspect about buying things just for the sake newness because of landfill and because of the environment so all of that going on delighted to hear from you on any of those topics today any or all of them are going to put in a lot of them give me the opinion on all of them let me read you this from Alison she says I recently went to a concert my husband paid 125 pounds for the tickets are 250 pounds it was someone I wanted to see it was amazing to get these tickets Unfortunately it was ruined because the woman next to me was so big comp of her leg spilled on to my seat and I was squashed when we stood up she took up more room in my movement was restricted how is this fair she says I've experienced this on planes etc Well I've tried to lose weight myself and I know it's really hard I think there's definitely an acceptance of being very large and a fear of speaking out and I was on a long flight and watched a woman called the cabin crew when she didn't fit in her seat asking if these were standard seats she was told yes her response to that was to say she'd line alternative line to Australia later in the year this woman sat in a seat for the whole 10 hour flight an episode she had bags of crisps and fizzy drinks her legs build over into the adjacent seat and it was really difficult for her neighboring passengers to get past her choice but what about all the people I know food is an emotional issue and I don't believe in shame says Alison but what about those of us who do take care of ourselves and suffer as a result of somebody who doesn't there needs to be more tax on bad food a more education especially around white carbohydrates show as always up the email . Listen thank you very much indeed on the subject of dimension Let's welcome a 1st time caller to the program and it's Kim in Forest Gate Hi Tim good morning good morning how are you this Well I'm very well indeed tell me about what you think are the shortcomings in dementia correct if you got really very intimate positive experience of this because that your mom and your dad south of the mother . Started when I was 75 the name meritless that we married for 65 years my mother sadly passed away 2 years ago. But we had the biggest problem was finding somewhere where they could both go out and one had to mention the other one needed to care so it took a very long time to find a unit where my father who didn't have dementia at the time yes could stay and live and visit my mother without having to drive a great distance every day yes and we were lucky we found somewhere up in up in Milton Keynes which is 2 hours away from maybe but close to my sister and and that was all very well and good but then my father started getting dementia and we had to move him from the unit he was in to another care area another care department so he can be there when this morning I'm here in Milton Keynes picking him up from hospital because one is your lady said earlier the biggest problem I have with some of the care issues is here's a glass of water but I don't see them drink it yes you have written out about that did you hear our experts say that the patient is missing with dehydration because the care hadn't realized that this person would to get to drink the water or needed to be reminded or health and my father's the time he doesn't remember to do anything to drink we have to sit in front of him and drink tea with him to make sure he's drinking so when we take him out we are falling falling on fluids as much as we can yes when he's in the care home I'm not personally sure that they do they get in the water and they might give him a cup of tea but we're not sure that that's the issue but the burden of course is on the carers as well yes it's quite an unfulfilling. Any say your parents when they have dementia you don't you don't have the same conversation that you have been having with my loss you mind him I'm sorry to kind of press you on this but do you mind for example giving a you know an instance of a conversation that you would have had with your mother after her demented to cultures the people can get a kind of idea of adulthood a reality of what it's like is it can be incredibly punishing because it goes round and round and round in an endless circle doesn't it well it's just it's weird stuff . Like why your knickers in the fridge or why or why you want to put Marmite in the dishwasher. And you start dealing with the daily routine of trying to have time to organize them but you know that you can organize them and all the normal A-T. Disappears non-normality with dementia there isn't any you you struggle with the you know that your parents but they're not your parents anymore they disappear we as ago my father disappeared 5 years ago my mother disappeared 10 years ago is the people I remember and I resign and I know a funeral at which the son gave the funeral a ration and he said I lost you twice at once to Dementor now again now that you've died he said I've lost my wife I would totally agree with that it's been the shock when I pass away but there's there's a part of you that is how do I say this without sounding horrible you're quite grateful that they've gone because you lost them China long ago to dementia you lost the conversation you don't talk to many thing normally now how the kids our family how was your day you know what's the weather like you're very much like come on let's go out your your dealing with like people who are really you dealing with kids you regress to being a child and when you know you were you in a protective perpetual state of worry lest one or other of them might I don't know one rough and get lot. To get into the bath with all their clothes only will forget to eat to reap the 7 times a nation to be to do all sorts of things like that when I went to bed my mum did go to bed with all the clothes on the numerous occasions yes. When I said I've got teenagers that do that but you know you joked about it but it was an issue and therefore we knew the point we had to move them into care and talking to you about the burden on us the cost of both of them in care for a month with a $1000.00 pounds cost and how how when you if you get my miles we managing to pay for that that's an enormous lack of my my mum and dad were. Proper. Proper old fashioned I suppose they had pensions and they saved up their money but one of the suggestions I'd like to make sure is that's OK. And the cost of you know what Barbara Windsor was saying and time trying to take some of the burden off the carer Yeah the amount of paperwork that we have to do Not only do you have to have power of attorney in place in advance of people getting the Mencia and not only do you have to deal with the wills but you still have to deal with if you're in a situation where we have money I.E. You have a pension you have a state pension you have some other income you have some savings and all of your money and I can tell you this all of my father's income and all of my mother's income went towards their care there were no savings once they went into a care I'm ALL OF THEM MONEY want and went into care from their pensions and that was topped up by savings and on top of that you still have to do a tax return because their income is over the threshold of what the taxes. And I've written to Boris Johnson and said How about getting rid of a tax return for people who can prove that they are fully funding their own care completely fully funding there's no extra money coming from anywhere else we are taking the full burden of paying our parent's care in a care home and because we are paying the full amount yeah that people are put in and I don't begrudge them it but it's just a fact that the lower put in by the council or the people who are funded because they don't have savings are subsidized by the people that do have money because we pay the full amount but the council down full amount I pay a 3rd of the amount of 2 thirds of the amount. And I'm trying to get rid of the tax return it's another phase a table we have to do a tax return every year it takes me 2 days to do it and find we get back you know we might get 30 pounds back with my out $200.00 the the cost is the amount of money they make is nothing or take the tax burden completely of a people have to flee from a care because my father's paying tax on his engine but all of his pension goes to pay for care and it's unfair on us we're not asking the government or anybody else for money I just want to have less burden on people who have to do it I'm sure there are hundreds of people out there the sit around the table once a year and struggle with all the paperwork they have to do to look after their parents who are in a care home. Thank you very much indeed Tim thank you for putting it so succinctly and so clearly and also so sadly I mean it is you know it's desperately sad you miss isn't it dementia Alzheimer's whatever form it takes in is so crushingly sad for those people you know dealing with it for the people suffering from it themselves we're talking about dementia we're talking about it the city is it fair to say that those who are fat are simply weak that's all it is it's not a disease it's a weakness it's a lack of willpower and therefore as Michael but the broadcaster has said most trenchant in an interview it's basically self selection let overweight people die to save the N.H.S. Cash says presenter want to charm Let's go to Kim in Rochester Hello Cameron. Morning So Michael back I mean I don't know what provoked immediate grumbling plan you might say that. You think oh. Yeah. He'll hold on to minute but you know that it's a really honed one show OK so. Yes So I'm on the course because. All those in another world pass home most controversial club small last call we all know. And I was. 61 I'll take one another. I'm always like this I'm a major in a hand right now where. I'm like right after free to implement action Yeah and it's really something also made and he mentioned about all the different types of. Programs you know on a service I was rated on this which I've never heard tell no funnily enough because it's actually an alcoholic and it's been 50 years. Probably more than I quickly had a bit of an issue with but I decided to go somewhere that I was a class name may. And I joined June 17th 2070. 5 and a half stone how well. I realize normal I think people be scared to trust the program because it really just because I've got work gets bandied about but I have all my back Gnostic God all those lunatics on the style to our side desperate to act as a story and so is. Decided to act as if. There is a higher power out there about sort of always been looking for something and I have managed to find a coward out Sunday and I'll put your eyes there is a physical emotional and spiritual mother day and it is an addiction so being a compulsive overeater is an addiction and it's not something we do our choice any more than alcoholic drinks or choice or gamble again without a choice is an addiction that you need help with and you just you just joined us from a ship of people my higher power out of that is. Because she's actually making genuinely people that are like minded and understand you don't judge. And you just feel such an incredible amount of wealth to learn from them so it's been very very helpful it's been a ground work and it's been a. Pleasure having you in love let me ask you this though some people say if you're addicted to drugs if you're addicted to alcohol there are there are excellent reasons because they are disinhibiting you know you can get confidence you get a big. You suddenly don't work on the table you're taking all your clothes off you getting in a fight you're copping off with someone you know even mood altering in a really dramatic way that's why people become addicted to it because they like that can be less movie feeling and obviously the more you drink the more you take drugs the less fabulous it gets but still they're chasing that. That nice kind of woozy like when you're responsible feeling from overrating Did you ever get an acquittal loued altering higher powers or not really yes Lucas a clock so when you're doing it when you happen to be in the high from it some people get up sugar because I say sugar OK we'll call I mean maybe that's not one of my triggers you realize what one is that I'm into my trigger aren't trying to quit a really hot chocolate I will not have a hot chocolate in the house call I have an 8 across a piece of chalk and. Cheese. Well what. I started in June 2007 saying and I want to cry and said my abstinence such a abstinence all alcoholic give up if you give up gambling you can't give up so much to a nurse so abstinence is a 3 meals a day yes so you need 3 healthy nutritious meals a day. And a bit of your life where normally you would have been looking in the biscuit tin or you've been in your case you know delving into family practice or vinegar or whatever it was the bit where there's the down time and there's no other human being what you really can you're on your own in your own home and the moment you actually had your balanced meal it said Say an hour an hour and a whole 8 and you're caught I could NOT murder of a bag of Marines at this point how do you stop yourself doing it in the beginning when I 1st saw one I did. 3 times because I hadn't actually found the higher power at that point I was still alive searching for this when I had power that was going to help me and so it was a load of every fairy stuff and I suppose it was like trying to diet really and so I did my up and then in the 1st 4 months but then I was supposed to call in the pit in a way where I realized that my higher power also love really and it was a nice. Thing and not just when I'm feeling connected I don't sound the craziness and I'm mad or not but when when I feel connected to my higher power and everyone has their own higher power from a little. Quieter entire time to get hungry between males. That you have to commit to kept on. Our guns to make wake the suggestions that. Our genes are just trying to get in the dice order that what the truth about really climbs down breakfast lunch dinner don't have to think about anything in between that is really great you know I'm so happy that you've done this is such a wonderful thing honestly if you can avoid surgery that's that that's the absolute ultimate goal I welt on the point of having gastric surgery I was told You don't have discussed dried. Grass tried to some of my nails done and you know I was having the wrong lie and now I feel really good and just I'm a different person I think only to articulate it well you're isolated and not go places because we feel bad about ourselves we stay home we. Don't do that anymore I don't are my family to someone if I am having a moment of weak minded pick up a sign and I'm going to follow someone who understands what I feel like to a child somebody I just talk to a child who knock animal credit be heartening cool all their branches remain anonymous all over the country people be everywhere are people who I was raised anonymous stop you stop you and when it's none of us stop all your child and things cross the lies that the country. Is and made him cry OK I'm interested 12 famous guy grabs 12 steppers Does that scare you off anybody because it's a spiritual program it's not a ditch at all very pleased to hear from you thank you so much and well done. And really great great guns you're going and some while the cold is as well the question is obesity disease Well it has been it has been officially recognized as such I mean often and I'm. Hosting the Jeremy Vine Show this week and last week as well yesterday on medical Monday on the Jeremy Vine show we did burn out and burn out apparently is officially an illness that has been in the last year officially recognised as being an illness burnout We did yes they were doctors their job is in this program too and ask if you've been suffering from burn out the description of what burnout is sounded just like most people's ordinary lives as far as I could tell but nevertheless it's officially an illness as is obesity let us take somewhat late though a trail and then we'll be straight back with you. This is London got to students young people they will start you know back in a dream and this was one of our dreams to get back to my dream this is London if you're sitting in your room suburban somewhere in a London suburb is it likely that if a producer what you want this is the one you easing over in Hackney the tournament you jealous but I think this is London and it's 380 feet above sea level and you know this is FRESH AIR So that's what it was cool and it's all part of bees needs week in which it can kind of be a street buzzing with this is London B.B.C. Radio. This is from Lauren off the calendar nice to hear from you haven't heard from you for some time I'm glad you're well she says I'd like to add something else to the mix inside of each of us in our intestines of many millions of bacteria some helpful some less so the collective vehicle the biome they outnumber the cells in our body the helpful bacteria aid to jest and metabolism the immune system emotional stability and many other things the less helpful bacteria crave sugar and I rebalance my bio my sugar cravings less and I have a real sweet tooth but it has become more resistible and I lost weight of course the question is how do you rebalance your Bayamon the answer says Lauren is mostly a large variety of vegetables and allowing your. Completely give up refined sugars for a short period of time a few months it was hugely challenging for me I had to do it one day at a time like I was in sugar holic synonymous but it doesn't have to be forever just long enough for your friendly bacteria to multiply and outnumber the less friendly ones and then seemingly miraculously what you want to eat can change also you can take supplements of got bacteria but do the research the little bottles on the supermarket shelves might not be the most effective solutions food for mental with salts like soccer out of me so will say cafe and computer or help to feed the friendly bacteria so you can each a way to weight loss joy it just depends on what you eat says Lauren very helpfully thank you for that one. Andrew in Stepney But as the review is inspiring call regarding calls for dodging interesting hearing about people trying all the very dots but what about the Norman color diet if people stopped driving everywhere for 6 weeks using alternative walking cycling even jogging instead they would see pounds drop off and literally 2 Why doesn't the government run a norm carb diet maybe losing income from petrol and car taxing Except would be the reason says Andrew in Stepney an alley says over an essay if someone's vastly underweight and weigh in to eat they clearly have an eating disorder and will end up hospitalized in Cat 4 if someone is usually overweight they also have an eating disorder but they won't be cared for they'll be ridiculed called lazy and accused of having no willpower I don't know whole lot about neuroscience but I do know a lot more than I did since my daughter was in an eating disorder unit for a whole year there is a relationship between the blood flow in the prefrontal cortex in the brain and the way we eat there is so much more to it than just thinking I fancy 5 donuts it makes me mad that people can be said Judge Mental that's the dimentia when we last at 18 months ago he was physically very strong but his dementia was quite advanced and he began to have mood changes and get angry he was put in an N.H.S. Hospital where there was no dementia training to quell is angry moods they gave Mr on drug which basically prevented him from waking eating and drinking which eventually led to his death I'm convinced that. If he had not been given that drug he would still be with us today not necessarily saying that good thing he would have hated the way he had become and at times you could just see the frustration and sadness on the face of a clever clever man with a wicked sense of humor who could no longer string a sentence together he was assessed by the N.H.S. Continuing to care to see if he was eligible for funding and they refused it week later he died that is how bad he was the system is failing people with dementia we need help I do think that her description is absolutely remarkable remarkable when she says. The face of a clever clever man with a wicked sense of humor who could no longer string a sentence together thank you alley ways to the point it was very vivid indeed knots of love to you and family and loved the listener will be straight back with you after the news headlines. Good morning Downing Street says Boris Johnson is committed to fixing the social care system after the actress Jane Barbara Windsor marked her 82nd birthday by calling on the prime minister to sort out care for people with dementia the out Simon society says Dementor is the biggest health care challenge facing the U.K. Yet the social care system is in disarray detectives investigating an incident at the Tate Modern where a 6 year old boy was allegedly thrown off a 10th floor viewing platform of charged the teenager with attempted murder the 17 year old's due in court in Bromley the boy who's visiting London from France with his family remains in hospital with critical injuries although Scotland Yard says they're no longer life threatening the parents of a 15 year old girl from London who's been missing in Malaysia for more than 72 hours say they still believe she's been abducted nor a coroner who has severe learning disabilities vanished from her hotel room on Saturday night just hours after her family had arrived for a 2 week holiday but the Malaysian police say they don't suspect foul play and they've widened the search area and E.U. Officials say there's no basis for any further meaningful Brix of talks while the U.K. Can too. To insist on renegotiating to resume A's withdrawal agreement but Downing Street dismissed it as a negotiating tactic and says Boris Johnson is ready to do a deal in the spirit of friendship London's weather dry wood sunny spells this morning maybe some heavy showers the softer noon though and quite breezy with top temperatures down on yesterday 23 Celsius 73 Fahrenheit now with the B.B.C. Radio London travel. The latest to close off from the. Interchange I have this in the cameras it's 4 cars involved in the pile up they've been there for quite some time I can see the police still with them at the traffic is moving slowly past those cars but it's causing a great Cambridge interchange and a 24 blocks partially by crushed by the judge with Vote exclusion which she bolted bus and traffic is using the other side to squeeze past on the sensors in both directions on the opportunity. And. As you approach the box junction where the traffic lights are the junction. On the approach works for the trains I can see one more cancellation on C 2 C. From Upminster to barking at 10 o 3. On the Central Line westbound. Signal failure at smile and Bill Sheldrake B.B.C. Next update just before 10 o'clock. Damn hands. Down. On the program this morning 3 different subjects for as one fast fashion we had the air fashion director of The Daily Mirror in the studio saying. Well there she loves fashion all day she lives eats in brief clothes we've got to be very very careful indeed about how much we buy and how often we change our clothes and where we get them from and how we source them because they're ending up in landfill it's all around for We've got to wake up to this sort of thing and I didn't hyphen about that 187312000 is the free phone number we'll say talking about obesity Mike but the book has said if you're fat you know till your week you'll die young that's fine it's your choice and it frees up the N.H.S. For everybody who isn't fat and in a way the thing that is on sympathetic and non-state or just factually inaccurate is the surgeon we spoke to said he said obesity is a disease it's officially classified as such and if you eat the same piece of pie some people will process it quickly they will metabolize it very fond it won't leave them putting on weight others will not it's partly genetic part environmental partly all sorts of things as he says are all diseases for example high blood pressure is also partly genetic part environmental partly the way you behave will sort of the party bad lot you know things like that so we had that on the program and also Dame Barbara Windsor and a husband Mitchell have released an openness a cooling for better dementia care and in fact they calling on the new prime minister Boris Johnson to address what they say is a deeply flawed and faulty system which is failing dimentia suffers Let's go straight to John in wills to green hi jill morning. Are you well thank you Sarah I hope you're OK but I know that you were on Noel though for Nessa because mine is over 86 yr old yes the fall in Ohio. Was taken into through 3 Yes And she's got to mention it transpires the state not so same had you not realized that she had dementia did that I don't know we always thought she was a little bit eccentric as one yes and her own drop or way. She was discharged with 3 packets of kefir. And I went to sleep as for how she lives alone and how off the time the terrorist didn't show up. When I had a meeting with her social worker and the care manager tell me yes my speaking to locally now you're beautiful he's speaking just right lovely I said to tell me tell me I'll give you an example a lovely person yes treat him coldly Yes he didn't a whole know how to light the oven you couldn't slice a loaf of bread to your doing the training no no we turn to any training they should they should know what to do when they don't need John sorry to interrupt but when you say couldn't. Read Are You Serious point I'm absolutely Syria why couldn't the person's life and they worry over friends you know it just just thought was there used to calling Floyd's press it I mean whether the reason everything was in situ by ready made meals Yeah the meals weren't she didn't even know how to like the oven and of course my aunt would get frustrated with and was almost to the point of rudeness but the whole thing was enough salutes of her it was absolutely a joke what is the current state of. The current state of affairs is my aunt had another fall which resort she would because the carers didn't show up yes. She's back in hospital again busy she's clearly we had the best interests meeting with a very good stuff at the hospital very telling people psychologists and very deeply in their infinite wisdom and I felt myself concurring with the thoughts that should go for a period of really happen and be sent back home again but. With the passage of care well. Is it going to be any different and it's tossed because this time she's probably won't be free to have to pay $300.00 quid or more away for these people who can she afford to do that is that a possibility for hats if you've got less than $23000.00 this is another thing but I'd say to this in NO who. BYO what they will was Presley with through that it's over she would have to pay for this and she'll have to pay for that as it is like if you prove you work all your life you're appealing stimulus and then tell and tell me something what kind of what kind of mental state says you are on scene at the moment does she realize that things are slightly wrong what's what's going on has a mantra at the moment I want to go home busy I want to go and for him to send her home. I've spoken to a wonderful organization called the Alzheimer's Society there was a woman the year we spent more money on the says today that tremendous Yes. Yes but before you know it affected me emotionally to say my aren't being treated so badly point question intelligent women are set up to care is it not show up that even affected my heart apparently my heart says no I'm sorry to hear that there is not a special me very badly emotionally to see my old. Working all the lowest paying for. Being treated so and that's the responsibility for worrying about her and trying to make things better does that fall on you squarely. Does Because I mean I know have to go through the rigors of trying to get power of attorney go on the C. Ter that a little bit of money and to a house. You know you work toward your low if your host and. It's taken away. Yes Yes And. So it is or skewed in the wrong way people who approach really. I'm very very sorries a hair is Emma and I am very dark and I really am it sounds absolutely awful and I know that they had this sort of the sentence which is you know every day worrying every day trying to have people always describe it as a battle in the fight to try to get the right Karen to fill in the right form in the right way and get the right person to come at the right moment and in the middle of this is an old lady as you say who's worked hard all a life and somehow as you say is being penalized for it thank you very much John I mean one of the newspaper things the Daily Mail has been launching a massive campaign saying it is not fair that you have to pay for Katha dementia in a way that you don't have to pay for Cafe any other illness you know if you go in with bronchitis you don't have to pay for the care it's free but if you go in with dementia to to a to a home or. Somewhere for the elderly you will have to pay and if you have care in your own home you also have to pay people coming to visit you now you may say with your own your own house then you own your own house and you should have to pay but you may say caution you've been prudent you've saved you've worked home and you know maybe you've gone without for years to pay your mortgage on this house and the next thing you know having to pay for your cat and high feel about it you can set you bring in tell me let's go to Sondra who's in north London and talk to her mom with dementia Hi Solyndra. Thank you so much for taking my call such a pleasure tell me what went on with your mom for what every month to live she took . Him. Up in the kind of. The 1st 4 here she became housebound and then for the last train here looking off to her it was a bank shot she approached actually diagnosed with dementia and because of the things she was how to price something yes and what I telephoned up to play really. Appreciate like Ray. We've got mails about the wind about the open left and I actually support it but the other thing is the upper part of the coin is who actually cares for the Taro's because I was doing it all by myself and I'm a mom to not live with May she just live local Today yes I was going in there and I mean I had to give up work and you know it got so much emotionally and physically because I mean the person that you identify as your mom change the personality change that is what was our caller just now that gentleman that we just spoke to off of you said he said it's not really like your mom or your dad they're not the same you you lose them to dementia 1st before the darkest hours and I mean mom's been started to get annoyed because you know she wouldn't remember things and I was trying to a lot like. Joe fully trying to correct her been so Mom Don't you remember when we've done such and such she was excited we come here and I would walk over to her and then she would grab hold of me and. Then she would start being physical like that oh dear time it happened after another mom my mom and I would go and I would sit down back on the set and then you know when I went home later on in the evening person to tears couple This is my mom I'm not surprised how many years did you put up with that kind of thing on your own with for 3 years on my own 2 months for anyone to deal with isn't it God so it was what made you what was the final thing that prompted you to get extra help which I hope you have got but what happened is is that although psycho a long term illness myself home girl I was and what was happening was that it was actually making my condition worse. Then I had to get admitted to hospital and then the people at the hospital turned fast and said look you know you really are vulnerable person and the mom is a vulnerable person among these to come into care. Up in try to get my mentor social housing My mom is to add about and that's cut a long story show your mom is now in a care home and she's been well and truly look tough stuff is so much better because she's got people around her but depression so I said to lift it oh good and also that I have visitors to the care home as well of groups of children come and say No not great We've already been talking about that on the show as well and I would also add ons people come in and I bring a couple of dogs and also frankly to the patients and they you know some of the patients lap dogs and I get all excited and cheerful when things are so so nice and it's so wonderful from A to save the Although it's heartbreaking that I know that my mom forgets my name from time to time and she isn't a person I love and remember with my mom all of us are still love her. A stress that's gone down from a Thank goodness for that let me ask you then that this is a very impertinent question but the question I have to ask about the funding of this funding is. Mom didn't own our own place she used to write and yes but my mom for slot the caller before has. My mom always spoke to all the life my mom always believed in put a little bit of buy for when you get older in life you have a little bit of something to like a little back up things and she said even if I start something left for the children and that was such so I mean what's pining for her phone for her fees at the moment yes it's all her savings and I just think it's just terrible. You know if you go to work although I have just bought the prettiest going to go to a cause a lot if you do the face and think you think a lot of money away for a rainy day then. This horrible illness happens and there's more than one top to make sure 1st flare are you are you going to get to a stage where she's running out of a failing I don't know I should imagine and I think that once I actually happens we will probably have to put. More. Poppy into a less grated care Hall which is basically what funded by the government or the council whatever Blimey so do you know how much this one that she's in is so happy in you know how much it costs per month to Polito What are some of where it cost about $3000.00 pounds a month right and that's a hell of a lot so I live alone and about she's well looked after is she now they 2 alone trade I told her cooking obviously everything followed by of if she you know in her bedroom she's got a nice paycheck and they got this special code that you pulled you need somebody in the law I. Got a doctor viable so it's a very high class type of very caring you can at least relax a bit you know that these you thing really carefully look don't you don't have to worry every minute of every single day that it's all falling on your children what a relief and what expense but I want to thank you for the call and not of love to you and your mom let's go to handler in north London she's talking about fast fashion I'm glad she is Hannah nice to talk to you good morning hi hi friend I know so tell me used to be a production manager for Beaumarchais Now what do you think about this this is well number of clothes we are now I mean I've been in fashion production for many many years now I'm now out of it I'm sort of semi retired but I was. A production manager Beaumarchais and then later on for our 1st go to really seen both sides of it you know they're very cheap and very expensive and. I think that fashion is quite I mean after dementia talking about fashion seems a bit frivolous really busy don't really we've asked models on fashion in the Paradise nabbing a massive effect on the environment frivolous and eating Darcey it does and the things we all needed I mean you can't walk around without clothes so I think that it is important that people think a little bit I mean when you buy something I'm a great believer in buying natural fiber products as much as I can because they last longer and they're not man made them but better I think you know to do the job you want them to do if you have a winter coat that's made of wood or you can wear it for years and years and it's not manmade and it keeps you warm manmade one might look very nice but it's not going to keep you warm. And I think we have to make sure that what we buy is useful and if we don't want it anymore that to be recycle it either in the charity shop or sell it on you know there are lots of race you can get rid of secondhand stuff and not just show it in the bin. And the idea that we have this kind of we do it a huge appetite for an endless 3rd for the latest thing the newest thing and the most fashionable up to date up to the minute. And every every season that maybe these days more much more often than that there's something that the sort of on decent of the fashion market that makes everything you've already got look dowdy and dated you know what have you had last year just accept it naff and a bit old fashioned and you just think of one of those and then you think well I'd like one of those in the paying out in the blue because actually there are only 15 pounds and I you know I fat I want it that's that's exactly what it is it's too cheap you know because if you go into a shop and you see stuff that it's as if it I bought a lovely a pure linen blousy out that for 16 pounds I don't know how they do it yeah but it's wonderful but the sink is if you're looking at other sayings teach you know things so you need a lot in some of your pond to buy more and more and more but it's never more expensive you might think about it you might look after them a bit but. Good to hear Well thank you for calling us we do appreciate it let me read you this then very moving with the text e-mails we're getting today let me say this is from Tracy she says My beautiful and Eileen passed away from Alzheimer's a few years ago. She gave me power of attorney when she was 1st diagnosed and was still able to make practical decisions I really had no idea how terrible the deterioration was in a sufferer until I witnessed it at 1st hand my aunt was a dynamic sociable happy funny successful career woman initially she forget to do things or in conversation she would struggle but eventually she ended up in a care home which was something she stated she did not want but it was impossible for her to continue living at home even with a live in Kara she slowly disappeared Nessa her body ceased to work so did it in the end she couldn't walk or talk or eventually swallow she passed away in hospital after 2 year battle with this terrifying illness I did secure N.H.S. Continuing health care for my aunt when she was in a cab this is funding from the government and covers everything when a person is unable to do anything for themselves it isn't means tested please tell me about this funding as it is there for people in this situation but is not publicised by the government want Tracy is telling us about is N.H.S. Continuing health care and it covers all costs when a person is unable to do anything for themselves so maybe that's something you might want to look into if it applies to your particular relative or indeed friend what we're going to do now is we would take a trail find out what's coming up on research. This is long and it was a great day yesterday here it's in John's words Listen I live around the corner I could hear it in my house. 30000 people but it was absolutely incredible this is London all that you can Duchess of Cambridge just to our left in the back of. The way we turn very go about it I mean it's so exotic It was the only of us let's say this but I can't count the cats out just because this. It's London B.B.C. Radio London. I'm Robyn joins me when you're at the absolute full front of the anti fast fashion movement on you because you've never like that sort of thing well I don't I don't buy throwaway clothes on lots and I didn't when I was 14 I mean it was slightly different than when we knock on the Sunday was a very good thing but certainly as an adult always bought clothes to last and I am genuinely I think this tissue is relatively new but the shoes I'm wearing I've had for at least 10 years I've got 6 in my wardrobe 20 years old because they're just about film. And I probably buy only 2 or 3 things a year I buy a suit pretty much every year because that's kind of my treat to myself yeah and then I might buy a. Top or you know but that's that one because I've got them and I look after them do they mean you look the same year in year out perhaps a dial That's it yes because at the same time though your color doesn't get smaller your lapels day change a cough stain days it was a. Very prone to fashion and I saw worked out quite a long time ago what I think suits me you do know is the suits there is the shoulders would be good long and. Wide with a poser a bit water but I can live with all of those the fairly minor changes and I don't I don't buy anything that's a fashion statement because on you know again often I'm a 60 year old men don't but I do all I had on was I used my want to not be you cannot BE ME I DON'T have been that together what exactly are you saying that how can we get when you say that you believe it when you say I'm $60.00 well i'm covered to convince myself that yes it's full enough so healing is going about that $54.00 it was fine 50 I didn't mind whatsoever bring it on 60 is the 1st one yeah that has led to a certain move I wasn't about 50 of those that matter although I did I mean often I didn't much like the sound the sound of 50 are quite like it so it struck me as kind of you know of stature rather 60 starts. Now. But anyway yeah spectacle is the end so I mean I just think I do think it behooves you to spend a bit more on lace and look after it don't over wash a clothes and clean your clothes and tend to dry clean as a result because that ruins them shoes put in shoe trees polish them one of my favorite things to do generally is about once every 2 weeks I've been down on my lovely place of shows all of a dozen pairs of leather shoes or running around me and I said I polish them all takes about 2 or 3 hours I want to tell you listen to music while I'm doing it and how come the whole house smells of shoe polish which I love yeah it's a really red Tillotson my dad used to do this when I was a kid 9 and I really enjoy the process and then they go back with 2 trees and some of them have covers on to keep the dust off and and it just that many of those shoes are 1520 years old but they still fail you can't be rotating and see just so it's all very well. And so if they get wet don't wear them for a long time and I wish suede shoes when it's going to run so look you know off the clothes for me is part of the pleasure of having and buying clothes yes is more expensive if I go and buy show it's not going to cost me $20.00 quid it's going to cost me got a lot more than that but I'm going to wear it for 10 years so it kind of financially it works like do you think it's different for yes and I'm in boys they like to dress as girls as well is it a bit different because if you wear the same dress you had 4 years ago yeah it's going to look a bit it's not even a not quite the thing it might look a bit I mean might be a nice good dress but I'm not going to dance in my wife has a similar kind of I mean my wife buys more clothes annoying to yet but tends to be even stuff she's buy just goes out looking for all kinds of lovely vintage pieces she very rarely buys new stuff and she doesn't buy stuff to keep for a while she's off them wearing things that she was wearing when we were courting you know quite literally you are kidding Sammy is it goes that 25 years not by me but she had a top on the other day and I said you were wearing that when we 1st went out she said. And she really looks after clothes everything is in plastic bags everything is kind of kept going to live on this lease. Or if you know how to keep your plastic bags in the issue treason it doesn't count as and when I only know about felt much of that guy going to it really any of that really a little bit yes and evening gowns Yes I mean in you know in special you know those bags with his in my life all but I mean ordinary brawls and knickers in T. Shirts and everything I didn't pass on to our X. And my wife used to work in that what used to work for come the go. High end fashion pieces you don't throw those away if you could possibly avoid it you might show that you know they've been good and did the daughter's wedding to they did they pick up occasionally they mix things yeah but not so much no I mean they are more than just 20 and she says she's wearing different styles different style Yeah but for parties if they've got awaiting results I mean yes mums minds will judge gets right tell me about what's coming up in the say what we're going to Kingston Jamaica know I'm going to Al Kingston and we're spending some time next we round your money I didn't event in Kingston for my book of the law is that he's actually I've been there 5 satellite phone lovely part of the world so that's where we're going to be today Russo going to an exhibition of a photographer called Simon who escaped from burning back in the thirty's a female photographic guys from trust that work and we got a lead we got a great singer in come to Cannes was there a band called to come to the singers coming in to sing for us so that's what we got today Kingston photography and 2 consigns fabulous Well thank you very much indeed it's got very very quickly Jenny in Enfield Jenny you've got literally a minute of less than a minute to talk to me Good morning to you Well I didn't mean not to hear from you I'm fine thank you you are talking about dementia and yes very quickly you want to raise the problem of dehydration yet the hunter and. The hydration of the brain but the further that it meant to go with the place of you know what they want to drink literally I'm always getting water I mean if I do have to touch the question of pain and by the same thing every day that grabs hold thanks he thinks it's. On time I should. Stop. Perhaps last Friday look how lovely or it was she had a temper and could just jump around right now we are not we had a big argument about we are not going out like that is so. We had rather democratic you know. Think that she's played Scrabble all the time and play up able as an hour we played on Friday it's $34.00 letter word that you believe that it is. The last week remember that you have to get to the count in those all and I heard your guy. About you know have a safe and right for it with that kind of money a shot and a month or so I will argue with whatever the sister to have of me so that we can actually have a girl called him a lookin after the term 1st went from after she was watching life in a call into think if you go look at them or I'm sorry I am so sorry I mean so worrying for you all to any Thank you for ending this day with just another dash of reality trying to cook dinner at quarter to 10 on Sunday night sad is anything isn't it I'm so sorry if this is made you sad today's program we're just trying to cover the story just give it a bit more a bit more air in a bit more time in people to to think on it really then the number of used and you can use it to Robert show 871-2000 would be have a lovely day and are seen in the morning lots of laugh. Lines and I can give you another 2 minute updates enough internet for car collision they've literally just reached all the traffic all the 4 cars are now out of the way so in case you just joined us there was a 4 car collision at the interchange on the north circle at Edmonton that had close of lane to for quite some time at least an hour congestion so back though to the clock hour to change but that you should start to move very rapidly get back some of a rapidly right now I think a much better so Fox or south number throat junction a parish St closer for work sit still if you want to basically as you're approaching that. There's traffic lights at the box junction gas mains work plenty of that going on around town at the moment and one of the main locations is Buckingham Palace. And it's just by existence Street still looking quite slow coming from the Buckingham Palace direction but not quite as long it'll a suggested a glaze from Victoria Square as far as a Christian straight white city though looking quite what lane near South Africa at that junction in temperature flight which are causing delays and for the trains to spawn more cancellations on C 2 C. From the parking at. Those Sheldrake B.B.C. Wait in line to travel next update at 1030. This. Point 9 am. B.B.C. Said this. Is the. B.B.C. . London's News or 10 I'm Matthew Schofield The actress Dame Barbara Windsor has called on Boris Johnson to sort out care for people with dementia the former East Enders star who turns 82 today was diagnosed with Alzheimer's 5 years ago she and her husband Scott mature have become ambassadors for the outside MS Society whose policy director Sally Copley has told the Knesset the social care system is in disarray. The care. Quality. And then at the end of all. Well and there are. No. More I just can't tell you how good I think we are or. Downing Street says Boris Johnson is committed to fixing the social care system a 17 year old is due in court in Bromley charged with the attempted murder. Of a 6 year old boy who fell 5 stories from a viewing gallery at the Tate Modern The boy who's visiting London from France with his family remains in hospital with critical injuries although Scotland Yard says they're no longer life threatening the parents of a 15 year old girl from London who's been missing in Malaysia for more than 72 hours say they still believe she's been abducted nor acquiring who has severe learning disabilities vanished from her hotel room on Saturday night just hours after her family had arrived for a 2 week holiday but the Malaysian police say they don't suspect foul play and the B.B.C.'s Jonathan Head says they've widen the search for Nora the longer it goes on the more the mystery grows and the greater the concerns for her safety they will search the grounds of the hotel very thoroughly they say they're going to keep searching there's a lot of vegetation there it's just conceivable she could be in there somewhere but they are extending their searched.