Being an extraordinary story and one of the book matches that it really dolls and will give out the author again the author is the historian Jeremy drum the field drone field and the book is called The Boy who followed his father into Auschwitz Martin says it seems a strange thing to say but I really enjoyed that interview it was a great interview Can you give me the title of the book that they. It is of course 1st as I said so lots of things to do with canines as well on the show and Don's we've got Doug squires and I was saying I think I'm the only person in the building that actually remembers the dog dunces no one else would they were they were one that they were before. Obviously before Phillips. They were the 2nd generation and the young generation were to daunce troops who always don't see on television and before them was the Lionel Blair dances and just after the law no Blair dances I think with the dog says Dog self is coming in and all more I don't think career before as an actress I wanted to be a dog was don't suppose it meant you go on to all of reality shows on television of which there aren't any but I would love to know anyone listening was a Doug was Don't says don't because there must be loads out there do give us a call the number is 080-731-2000 also. Stephen Bennett is producing today to preach assisting Stephen came in and went it is such a great photograph and his dog because they are podcast today that's going to live in front of the gates in front of Kensington Palace where I think mega noise it will and Kate I don't know who lives there all I know is that Alfie's performed there loads of times but in the middle of this podcast he also says I've slept on that bench when I had nowhere to go he said I was performing in the palace I was a student at the Royal School of Music and I had nowhere to stay and no money so I slept on the bed bench in the park and then went to college the next day and we actually I think we photographed him either in front of the gates or by the bench but do have a look it's on our network B.B.C. Radio London on Facebook and on Twitter at B.B.C. Radio London and did give your comment to give it a thumbs up and do have a listen B.B.C. Sounds right I would love to know if anybody has been to the Middlesex filter bed. I went there with on a web this morning to recalled the podcast actually this time with Hannah which I think you will find fascinating we actually start off by her Smeg fridge in Hackney that is packed full of dog food and that will be up next week but she took us to the Middlesex filter beds and I loved it it's a really Victorian park and in Hackney That is something to do with the Victorian. Filter system so if anyone can explain to me because we was stood on what looked like a massive sundial with the the old mechanics of what looked like. Something but it's huge and then there's an art installation that is like a mini Stonehenge of anyone walks there walks their dog there please give us a call because I'd love to know more about that particular it's not a park is just a piece of land it's fields it's called the Middlesex filter fields if you know more about it live around it grow up boy it would love to hear from you 087312000 it's right on the canal with the river running through it's of mazing place you know I'm spoiled because I just walk around Regent's Park with my dog and him stood and there are these other places open spaces here in London that I'm just learning about so yes give us a call on that 080-731-2000 or e-mail me good at B.B.C. Doco dot U.K. 1st e-mail comes through and this is from Joe I remember cool for cats when I was a little girl and now you used to be in black and white television at 6 pm 6 pm presented by Ken Walton my friend and I used to try and imitate the dances by Bronson around the living room and making silhouettes of us don't seem the walls we knew not the names of all the dog dances there was of course the most wonderful you know stops also the dairy box girl Mavis trial was one of our favorites for Ron and Joan pay. I remember when you left to get married to. Who was an active from the need in line the program then moved to a level we would devastated due to being school girls and having to get up in the morning one Friday my mother let me stay up to watch it and while I was so embarrassed to tell her it was a repeat the program then carried on at 6 pm eventually much to our relief this is the duckies cause program does anyone else remember that the squad dances. Good at B.B.C. Dot co dot U.K. . His van J. C radio. Yes it is and the team is back together so we've got the wonderful Stephen Bennett producing. Produce Simon and I for years how many years did you produce is on Saturday Breakfast 6 years felt like a long. Assisting and they are waiting by the phone so things that we're talking about today we are talking about I'm wondering if I've actually got the written that I'm right if they this was a bad failed in Hackney it's right just off lane I think it is it's called Middlesex filter fails and. We were interviewing her for the podcast walking talking so I didn't get a chance to ask her a great deal about the fields because it we were talking obviously about the dogs but she did say this is a bit of this is where it was like I suppose like a reservoir in Victorian times where they filtered the drinking water and I was mesmerized by it it's all been left very there's no signs it's no fences as no don't throw balls don't do this don't do that it's open land I think she said there is a garbage collection area nearby but it's all. Hidden by trees and you could be anywhere it's like it's this desolate the Turion space in the middle of Hackney or just off and I'm still really not good about travelling east although I am getting better so if anyone has any more knowledge on this and maybe you want to pay there is a kids there are the canal boats all the way along and I own ways Phil that one of our podcast we did record on a canal boat on the Kingston Bridge and I always when I was near the canal boats now I realize the occupants can hear the words they can hear everything people are saying is they're walking past and I always lower my voice to call the little canal I think it's the lead certainly they leave a river that runs through. And then over this bridge and this amazing graffiti it's just so urban and so on discovered John I mean it's just it's just been left and we actually took a photograph which I'll put up next week of an annoying in the middle of a massive concrete sundial which has old mechanics that have been left to rot and rust on either side and I guess that musta been some kind of wheel that they turned for locks or the equivalent to locks or gauges or something I mean I just love it and I just think it must be protected I would have thought it's a listed park if not it should be and I just thought when I get back I'm going to ask if anyone knows any more about it so if you do and if I got the name right I think it is Middlesex filter beds Middlesex filter beds I think is the number is 080-731-2000 or you can always email me good at B.B.C. To. Always send the text on triple 3 and stone to London we're also a bit later on going to be talking to Douglas cries himself. Eve I was younger I would do my own dish and dance for him I never actually got to meet him but when I was when I start. As adults or in the course in the West End I would up my whole fantasy to it was to work for the young generation the 2nd generation or as a druggie Squiers dancer and I think there are loads out there loads of girls out there who were one to anyone remember why won't I think she started with drugs cause then went on to the young generation all these amazing people the dancers names which probably doesn't happen so much now but if you were of you've worked alongside Doug was please give us a call this is from Tim. Joe it sounds to me he says the filter fields from what you've described I would imagine those great big round concrete filters were for filtering sewage Well yes if you think our whole sewage system is Victorian what was still using is Victorian isn't it so they did a really good job but this must have been predicted Henri and I call I mean it's it's really old it is like being at Stonehenge it's so old and it's now set into the land so obviously it's not practical it can't be moved but I'd love to know if anyone knows any more about it and what year we did it stop being used as a filter system for Greater London I suppose 871-2000. Shares a perfect. But she wears a. 60 . 1 exam. With the big. You want to see the smiles. And even. With the polls. They can. Slowly. Give you 60. Well. I can close this thing. And it is a. 6 . 6. To. Allahabad body. Turned 6 and. Now. Miss me. And a perfect 10 we're talking about believe Valley and we're talking about this extraordinary gothic area called Middlesex filter beds and we're also talking about the squad he off to all these years of me waiting is going to be joining us later on in the program he's a legendary choreographer had his own dance group called the dog dances and Joe has emailed me saying. From Joe this is a spooky moment you mentioned way way warmed just as I was remembering that she was my favorite dancer when I was young and I watched whatever program was on television with her and the quad dances Whatever happened to her I hope you'll many millions of listeners in London and the U.K. Around the globe can find her for us do you think she's still in London I remember crewmember reading an article about WAY WAY WAY a couple of years ago I know I'm not sure she is still in on that she certainly not dancing but I think she may well went on to choreographing herself. She says I hope Matilda is recovering well love and best wishes Joe Well Matilda actually is staying without a web who's obviously going to be on air in about 10 minutes on the barking hour because I'm going away I'm going away for a week and so she will be it's. Staying with Anna because Anna will make sure that she behaves in the nicest possible way she actually loves absolutely loves it there and so yes it's weird because. You know it's just her knowledge travelling through life really and it's going to be very old going back to my flat she says there but Anna is very good she sadly sends photographs of me of Matilda to me with Matilda sitting in every different chair which literally raises my spirits what some things we could be talking about on the barking actually is music for dogs this is somebody who's composed a song keep with me on this and I've got it on tape I'll play that little bit later on we're also talking about people being fined for dog fouling and we all say is this a mess you see the sign saying someone to be fined if they don't pick up have you ever heard of anyone being fined for not picking up after them will be talking about that are going to be talking about eco friendly dog food and this time it's made out of not trying but insects protein so obviously dogs need protein like we need it so I always feed my dog rule food the thought of feeding them insect protein is never occurred to me but this is a London for. Another probably a subject at the hound pound another young entrepreneur who thinks yes there's a gap in the market so we're going to be talking to them about it as well I have got so many emails about dog behavior which I'm not going to read out now I shall wait until Anna gets in here and it was Anna who I was with on Middlesex filter bed so she more time to tell us a little bit more about the history of that place more actually happened there as they were filtering the water just stunning I think it was the 18th century it was all the working someone's just text into it was 18th century 1770 it opened I wonder what clothes. Tom and the gang again last week the gang from Ben these 2 smuggling and she says she has friends she says go see. Lucy obviously it's too bad to sneak son say such a thing tense it is a choice she says Come see. Good job but you would see her so sad to leave. Talking to Lance in her. Sleep good news not. Blood It's Lance it looks good to see you soon look stupid not to eat. Good food good. Food. 3. Bomb. Bomb. Bomb bomb. Bomb. Bomb. And leave. Peaceful isn't it just everyone loves that track and always think if you're driving around London listening to any better so cool this is from Keith who sent us a text in what food he says Joe talking about the pope port calls tell about Sarah Cox 2 you know when Dolly Sarah and Ben Fogle will be on I.T.V. Next Tuesday 730 to 10 with Britain's top 100 dogs live Ben Fogle is going to be a part of the podcast I think in April he's coming on because that must be pretty recorded with Sarah because he's doing a wonderful series I would love to have done where he interviews hermits but basically people who become reclusive for whatever reason and live on their own and he goes and films with them is a it's a subject that as I consider myself to be home for close of anywhere. Really intrigues me and I envy him that job of fantastic series and I think he's shot the 1st series and then he goes back and revisits them Sarah Cox Yes we have to be careful we don't just keep doing B.B.C. Presenters doesn't mean it's nice to get away from the baby Sci Fi Glover we've done and was absolutely brilliant I know we're going to be doing Greg James but I think it's really good to find people. I loved being people who lived on a houseboat with today teenagers 3 dogs you know people where their lives and we did this wonderful cab driver black cab driver who drives with his British Bulldog Daphne in the well of his cab all day long it just happens that he's married to Allie dallying who plays Elizabeth in the arches but yes it's these stories you know the dogs were also I think we're going to be recording the Google dog so Google and You Tube allow their dogs in dog free area where all the dogs can turn up and they have a dog creche they have Christ paid to the B.B.C. They have people who walk the dogs around Kings Cross at lunch time if the owners can't get out they really thought it through so we hope we're going to be doing the dogs of Google as well so yes keep the suggestions coming and we've got a whole list we're doing Cath Kitson we're doing Liz Jones the wonderful Liz Jones who's now moved back into London having lived outside of London. All all when I get the list I'll read out all the people who are coming up in the next. That each and this batch will end I think in a week and then we'll start the next batch a few weeks later but some great guests and caskets and of course her dog Stanley is used as a design on many of her fabrics so I'm sure be a great listen as well OK to is the barking and after 2 o'clock 8 is now after 230 should I say it is time to catch up with the news and will. London's headlines I'm Welsh under the cabinet minister James Brokenshire says the man who killed a woman in a speedboat crash on the River Thames and then fled the country has shown contempt for justice Jack Sheppard will appear in court in the former Soviet republic of Georgia tomorrow for an extradition hearing he was convicted and sentenced in his absence to 6 years in July for the manslaughter of Charlotte Browne Sheppard says he hopes to overturn the verdict the former 1st Minister of Scotland Alex Salmond has arrived at Edinburgh sheriff court after being arrested and charged this morning the number of violent crimes recorded by police in England and Wales has risen by almost a 5th the latest figures also show continuing increases in murders robberies and knife crime overall recorded crime was up by 7 percent and the head of the 3 U.C. Francis O'Grady has said she did not receive the guarantees unions were seeking on jobs and workers' rights during breaks it talks with to reason may this morning the leaders of several unions have also met the prime minister as part of talks to find a way forward before M.P.'s vote on her breaks it deal next week London's whether any lights would 3 showers will soon die away this afternoon leaving most places Droid but cloudy at times staying chilly although winds will be quite gentle a maximum temperature of 3 degrees Celsius that is 37 degrees Fahrenheit now with the B.B.C. Radio London travel has Billy Reeves. Emergency roadworks on Oxford Street it's closed between Marble Arch and Portland Street for emergency water main works I'm not sure her. Along this is going to be in for as you can imagine you can expect some delays in the area and of course Regent Street southbound still closed for gas main work down near Piccadilly Circus between big street and. Street the 4 Trinity road southbound that's worth common way still partially blocked near the county. Traffic is relatively light the no road. Still got the 13 in Barking one lane between movers lane of a large Avenue farther because of a broken down car we did have some problems through. Flooding earlier on as well as Lane underpass westbound has some flooding which holding things up and now we've got this brought down car I 30 now for its way out of town before the ripple Robey congestion at the back to fly over. On Digital Radio 94.9 F.M. Band. Sounds this is longer. B.B.C. Radio Joe good. Dog so. It is that. I'm going to be joined by unaware. As many of our dog friendly listeners and those without dogs you seem to love this hour as well we're now in our 11th year with a dedicated our 4 legged friend Stephen it's gone wow yes Stephen has in it through . So we get to be talking about feeding insects talking about. Writing a ditty to get you out of the blues based on your. Has anyone actually ever been fined for allowing their dog to foul and not picking up afterwards any behavior problems email me or call you know the usual number in the. U.K. You can call 08712000 if you want to any behavior. And the Web Welcome to the barking hour where we actually spent the morning together recording a polled cost we did indeed and it was you that took me to this extraordinary place a by the way we recently recorded on a well there's no one who knows more about dogs in the city than Anna but also an Illinois you know we work together as the barking blondes for many many years and I always say the fact my bull dog has got to be a she has is down to so we thought we'd ask as so many people listen to this show go on and get a dog what should you actually consider before you either rescue or buy a dog if you are living in the city so we actually recorded right by Anna's Smeg fridge to start. Your fridge I love my fridge. It's actually a reconditioned it's people think. It's a limited edition color 7 needed a new door and I had to fork out the new door because I know I can't get another orange and also producer on the podcast Kate is a new producer to the pod. Course she'd never been on his house before and I said to her and his fridge will be full of dog food mine is but it's a tiny fridge massive fridge full of dog food and you're slow cooking chicken broth for the dogs when we arrive I know with organic bones Absolutely. Mathilde is there she's staying with Anna actually whilst I'm going to be away next week and she just loves it she absolutely loves it because it is a menagerie but you took us to Middlesex filter beds and I've been talking about this since we've been on air are because it's very gothic it's Victorian and it was it planted the sewage filter system is that what it was you know it was part of the purification basically it's it represents the 1st molten No the inspiration for all of our water that we drink except obviously they did it in the mid eighty's fifty's and it was and it was the East London waterworks that settled it really is old and ancient and their decision to create a filter system to filter out bacteria or to water was because they've been this massive outbreak of cholera which is water based I think in London which would have been awful So you know it kind of represented left him although. There the big wheel is there it's almost over and yeah it's stuck into the ground it is not lovely how many overtake here in this industrial site and that really is the whole collective city. Of London or not I love I loved it and I love the graffiti I love the houseboats I loved it and I love the fact that it was on a just said to me if you went in summer it's even better no it was very forgive me for sounding so indulgent it was so Chico view and with this sort of bed trees and what about nature's throne you has a wonderful mini Stonehenge that is in Hackney That is an installation an old installation so if you live over that side. Road isn't it just. Some Chatsworth road then that's probably all stomping ground but well worth going to have a look. Now before we go any further as I say latest episode of The podcast is up dogs in the city this one is the glorious both who came down in fact. Listen to this because we're not playing this out as we so Alfie both sent me a text I said Would you fancy Denise he went I'd love to do it I've got a new dog my other dog Sadie passed away at a grand old age my dog needs to be socialized in the city will draw even I didn't know where he lived 7 o'clock in the morning he text me going traffic bad almost an embed Hannah. Coming in from Gloucester share. And he'd driven down with this dog Paul on the whole thing in Kensington and just was walking down literally Church Street and just Alfie Bo and his dog it was a glorious sight and that's where we pick up so have a little listen you need to listen to the whole thing but here's a little taste there is out and right oh my goodness a beautiful both of those boys dog. Beautiful One is red head one is very dark out feeling I knew that you were away yesterday thank you so I've been a boil this week yes and you said Oh yes no and then at 10 past 7. Alfie sends me a text going traffics a bit busy and I thought oh my God he's come to the country. I can't believe you're doing this for us thank you oh it's a pleasure thank you for a lovely place where you. Actually read 1st trip to London. And we've been standing in the middle of the Palace Road and. How alert he is he's a bit wild he's refused. I was texting you. White to meet read and Kate my producer said No no his dog is. So sad. Sadly goodness isn't around anymore and he passed away. Just over a year. Gone now and here was another golden retriever. Not as wild as the sky though the sky really leads me rather than the other way round. But Guinness was a great great great dog and I had him for 14 years and. This is only when he's only his only child months old he is beautiful but is a bit crazy. He will try and escape out of the garden never will remain. Do you know and when we said we were there yesterday I think it was in sunshine and a fox ran right the way past a story the parts rule the dog walkers and that dog Matilda didn't notice that she looked in the opposite direction that dog was just referring to go bad as well a golden retriever is a hunting dog Matilda reasoned. Maje. If my livelihood is dependent on a living depended on Matilda. But I don't know if you've had a look at the pictures yet to be seen and they've gone up on such a major I haven't yet so I will do Troy anyone listening on social media have a look at SAS we're in front of the gates of Kensington Palace actually and the dog is stunning and he he said he's just wanted the same breed even though you know his dog but it kept him alive to 14 that's not bad is it no it's very good and I think you know people you get used to a certain breed I think it's natural to want to continue you know the story your journey with the same Pritam that's what I hope to to do it's what many people opt to do and I think it's actually quite you know it's it's an hommage really to the dog of law absolutely right loads of emails coming in asking for your help so we'll go to those in a moment but 1st of all let's talk about the talk about this. Being following for not picking up after your dog Yes Well this is it well what's happened is animal welfare organizations including dogs trust the are is peace. And the pet industry federation have got together to introduce some new professional dog walking guidelines which is aimed at the dog walking profession which seems to be growing and growing as of course as we talked about it earlier but the doggy boom. So that this profession has guidelines to look after the behavior in the welfare of the dog obviously to be. Impactful on the environment and pick up the day was they know have a professional conduct written out because that the minute dog walkers don't really have a professional body it's not really you know a profession as my and is it a dog walkers I think they're preaching to the converted our dog walkers it is their profession surely they do pick up the people that just aimlessly go out with their dogs and think will just you know risk it is time and not pick up Surely it's the individual's not the Professional Dog Well it's interesting so this the professional dog walking guidelines this just been issued is also being issued at exactly the same time as many councils across the country have now up to the fine for not having a problem around you or picking up your from what I think it was 50 quid is now going to turn down did they actually enforce this well exactly is it how is it a traffic warden doesn't know exactly. T.V. Cameras perched in trees have any listening to has ever heard of anyone being fined for not picking up because I as a dog owner would love someone to be fined because we all suffer if people are irresponsible so has you know has anyone ever heard of someone being fined and if so who reported them I must admit ages ago it's Linked In had a dog patrol where people were undercover in the parks really yes good for them and I do believe I think we did talk about. At the moon a good few years go and I think some people were caught because there must be culprits because otherwise there wouldn't be any dope on the ground so they're increasing the following toward 100 pounds or more from I think was 50 but I would love to know of any if they had any revenue from those fines because as I say I don't never heard of anyone being fined for and they should be exactly so you know it's quite interesting all of this but also I think this does affect dog walkers you know everyone has had a moment where you've forgotten a bag or something's happened and I think the dog walkers as they're becoming more of them as more of us up to use dog walkers so over 13 percent of all dog owners the now using a dog walker on a regular basis I think they really need to shine the light and be the example and you know show everybody how it's done so these new professional dog walking guidelines as you know issued by the P.C.A. And Dogs Trust I think are important in this day and age because I really see how dog ownership is changing a bit and they want to make sure that professional dog walkers act in line with the Animal Welfare Act This is a market Joanna as well in my along my road the other day on my way up to the common with my dog I noticed someone had their dog foul right side right outside one of my neighbor's street dogs if they as if they had rushed out of their house or come home in the dark and then they would have trodden a venue wanted walked past anyway I vowed it was still there when I returned if it was still there I would pick it up with a doggy bag it was so I did and I put it in the bed these are all for people who are giving all dog owners a bad name I just which wish I could catch them well when I was visiting you I know I've you know really tried and I am going to be in my flat and that was right outside someone's front door so it's not like I mean I think we've all fallen foul sorry forgive the pun of your dog running off and going into a bush and you think I don't know I'm hunting for I can't find it if it's on a paid. It's guaranteed in an urban area that will be trodden everywhere and it will mean eventually and then I've said this is we started the show it's not long now before Paul said they're not royal Paul will stop suddenly become a no go area for dogs they'll start banning them and there was a time when we could see this happening to remember well I think this is why this professional dog walking code is also being issued in the P.C.A. Is recommending that only for dogs maximum of 4 dogs is walked at a time which it all impacts it's all this is the horizon of the dog parks to make the horizon not an acceptable for those people who don't like dogs Tracy says jelena i know a lady who was fined while she was waiting outside Harrow on the hill station with her small dog she was also to produce a pew pew bag and as she had just used her last one goes we've all been there she explained it to the community policeman it's the community policeman who pressed the charges right he then gave her an almost spot fine of 75 pounds for failing to have a bag while she's walking her dog she contested it with Harrow Council but it was overruled is not interesting well you know that's great but I feel you know the police in system says so overstretched at the moment that will they really be able to enforce it this is always the problem isn't it like with the microchip paying you know can that really be enforced that of course is LEGAL your dog has to be microchips but many on this is from Nicky who says my friend was finding Victoria Park a couple of years ago he was on his mobile he hadn't noticed his dog going to the loo a person came up to him and find him wrote out a ticket he had to give his name and address so I suppose it would be easy to give a false name and address but it was a genuine mistake my friend gave his correct name and indeed he was fined it is a very this is it puts all of us have been in a situation where you go out with maybe one to bag and you think well I know my dog's bowels it will have. An. Then blow me down you know on the way back I do another one and I think this can't be happening and you know I've picked the out with leaves I have a new bag anyone passing by I know I know absolutely I mean you know you go to any lengths as a response. To you know not be a statistic but unfortunately they raise do do on the ground say oh now be fined if you don't. Want to be the minority that spoils it for the month Giora T. Exact. Dish jobs to keep what should. Be should be getting chicken shit to make. Me. Never dreamed they could just run away bring me that our product just got our bottle wonderful free love and just feel that all will tell me where I have yet. To get a ticket B.B.C. Radio London is the barking out on the web and Joe Good everything they are going to say and free are free to do you want to begin the podcast dogs in the to take time no I never. Julian Clary was. Many many more to follow those you can find them on B.B.C. Sound. Troubles they went bad or were there ever since you came in. Now and then last week for the 1st time that was an insect based food launched our pets consume around 20 percent of meat and fish worldwide their food is an estimated to be responsible for a quarter of the environmental impacts of meat production Anna do you want to introduce our next guest well with very pleased to say that Tony is in the studio who is. I think the 1st entrepreneur that has brought an insect based dog food to market in the U.K. Welcome Tom Hi Thanks for having me I'm fascinated to know how in a moment I'm going to read well I know I will read out a text before you tell us any more this is from one of our listeners who says Sonya says oh wow I've always thought it was old that my blue Staffy ate in 6 so was that your research they want to wait. Well no insects have been a massive part of the animal food chain since the dawn of time intentionally that intentionally birds monkeys and humans I think are our ancestors got a lot of the nutrition from insects and they've just gone out of fashion more than anything but they are incredibly nutritious source of proteins fats minerals everything that people and pets I have heard food motivated dog he would literally call board if it was left in front of have a long enough but for the most dogs you know. They're surrounded by insects all the time I mean we've just been told that there's a blue Staffy who does eat insects I don't know whether Has any of your dogs ever read it well I know hate to sort of mention moles as usual as I was but I trained my miniature bull terrier to kill spiders and she was so brilliant there was this huge spider my friend here's my dog sitter time is really out with regular phobic and moles was in the garden and the command was to see it off and she knew exactly what she had to come in find a spider and eat it go and don't tell us what you say are the most fantastic I've heard so many dog owners refer to flies a sky raisins for that's a jump Actually yes I have seen it already lappets flaw Yeah they're running out so so so you have a doggy watch this and you thought right here's a gap in the market how did it work out well I've been working the panda street for a very very long so I'm going to take product development and I realize just how much meat and fish cats and dogs of the world are eating and I actually came to it by finding an article this was about 5 years ago about energy bars for people maybe cricket flower. As a source of protein and then I read about the environmental impacts of insect farming and I thought why are we feeding these to our pets because they're just as good as me and they just don't have the environmental damage and also the ethical concerns of meat rearing yet I mean if you still to gather every spider in Hackney. That someone is going to have homeowners Well you won't get mad about it because there is no I mean there are but there's not enough space but someone's going to kick off soon say hang on what's he doing to the environment you know well we would be quite bad for the environment if we were driving around trying to round up spiders but the way our crabs farmed is in a very very high tech farm in Holland. Where they're grown on mass fed on recycled vegetable waste so they actually help us get rid of food waste nerd industry. And to give you an idea of how much this farm produces a teaspoon full of the eggs. Will turn into 100 kilograms of larvae in just 2 weeks and is that what you'll serving up to find out where we take those larvae and we harvest them dry them out and separate sort of the protein the bits from the fats and what ends up going into the dog food is just like the dried chicken that would go into a regular dry dog food so the dogs don't know any different it just looks exactly and smells just like regular cable and as a nutritionist a qualified nutritionist Yes I can see you dying to ask God just ask for you Eve We've got a thing about what they put into the mix they put into adult and that's always my concern is what's being mixed among the quality stuff and I guess none of that would be your concern would it well for me really into this insect idea be. Because you know well star not to be in. The my cheese. To believe that we've got to do something for the planet so for me I would just love to get a load of Insta X. D. Hydrate and then mix that with extra fat because my worry is that insects don't seem to a lot of fat on the mend his suited pony on and dogs really dogs thrive on it's protein and fat then what I would like to see was an ad load of extra low not as good pure fat and then loads of organic vegetables win or lose 20 percent with you pretty much described our product because we the grubs are very fatty. Because we're not taking sort of dry sort of crickets which don't have much fat content and right the thing about larvae is. Their basically their biological imperative is to break it down by a matter and convert it into fats and proteins and minerals to store in their body to give them the energy they need to transform actually into the insects so there I think of them as a lot like little eggs and we get gallons and gallons of fats from these larvae and that's the fact that we put into the the our food so that's a good amount of any good in them so. Dog owners what does the product actually look like is it in a tin is in a carton is cause you're looking down at the floor Have you brought some in affordable home please because I can't smell anything so that's a plus because the little green tripe I feed my dogs of ours let me rest leaf your microphone No we live sound effects so it's dry yet and so you know add to the now so do you add water to this when you serve it you know it's just a dry kibble like most of sort of high end dried dried foods trying what about what about appealing to those people who don't feel dry What would you do for that. Well we are we're working towards producing wet food in that since in testing at the moment. And our trials are going pretty well dogs the flavor of this is a bit slightly mushroomy Have you tried it of course well Don but it's my dog you know you don't and so get married because it is a she speaks your language well done a lot over the Droid yet. So what what breed of dogs love this and be absolutely honest with me dog most. Motivated dogs like really anything said there Wolf that down the fussy breeds are they going to like it in our trials there are very few dogs that wouldn't eat and this is across all all sizes and breeds of dogs we were just choosing motivated dogs because that we wouldn't have much of a product. We tried it yeah they love it and it's called Laura Yeah named after war so. We your is the name of the last uncontacted Amazonian tribe and so one of the last and we chose that name because it's people like these who for millenia have lived in harmony with nature that are the most at risk of our appetites for meats and the damage we do to the rainforest farming soya very clean and I was just going to say would be OK with eating this. If you've got a vegan pet owner who's reluctantly feeding meat based food to their pets because they know it's what's best for them biologically then I would say that this is a step in the right direction is not begun I mean there are grubs are still living but for it. It's one of the only animal proteins that you can farm very very intensively but I kindly because they thrive on us that's how but if anyone wants to find out more the best thing to do is go to your a pet foods dot com That's their website I am so used to seeing your from Brighton because Is that a long time in Brighton and Brighton leads the way when I moved to Brighton Stephen back me up on this because David has an affinity with Brighton they were the 1st place that had a shop called vegetarian shoes and everyone laughed at it and it sort of led the way you're not being told You have to design it so it seems fit that this should come from Brighton yesterday yeah. It's a really is but if you want to find out more exactly what's in it and how it was processed or not processed what's behind it go to their website which is your pictures dot com And we've been speaking to the producer of it the C E O Tom thank you so much for coming in thanks for having me thank you all not any more oh no that's very well you do you think after the grieving process you might get another one we've got a cat who rules the roost with that's what we're working on the cat version I was going to ask actually got out of carnivals Yes So we got to work a bit harder on the recipe for the thank you so much for coming in 3 o'clock news on the other side of the aisle read out all your e-mails for Anna and your questions plus we're going to be talking about how to raise your spirits with a doggie ditty 3 o'clock news before that his belly with the traffic. Thank you very much. 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On the views of 3 o'clock AM We'll show the man who killed a woman in a speedboat crash on the River Thames and then fled the country will appear in court in the former Soviet republic of Georgia tomorrow for an extradition hearing Jack Shephard was convicted and sentenced in his absence to 6 years in July for the manslaughter of Charlie Brown Sheppard says he hopes to overturn the verdict James Brokenshire is the M.P. For old Baxley and Sidcup and is the brown family's M.P. Called on shepherd to cooperate with authorities he's been convicted of gross negligence manslaughter and as received the sanction of 6 years' imprisonment and an obviously then was on the run and as a pilled now and has seen now this latest development it but it you know he showed her contempt for justice and equally given no consideration at all for the impacts on the Family which is why I hope at this stage he will comply he will do.