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Radio and Van den at the weekend talked about the by one Sunday school I weighed 27312000 start another by Sunday school mate. And we've been talking about reggae music for the last album other 15 minutes or so to talk through FREE TO JOIN IN brother if you'd like to add your contribution to the conversation will be having tonight because we talked about reggae as you know which is the United Nations or cultural norm has decided to recognize reggae as a cultural heritage that needs to be protected. So ironic because new reggae. Would once have described U.S. Goes being part of the whole Babylon system and I won't use the word the Peter Torchwood used but nevertheless IS COOL IT system. Fights against the sufferer and ready is a suffers music is it or is it not anymore is a real question maybe reggae's. Something else very different from the reggae you once upon a time you tell me. How did 73 was. Kind of the broad range of questions I've been asking my guess is you today. Is a composer editor of Black History Month magazine Mark Riley principal investigator based culture research and University of Westminster Blackwood dreads who is one of the original sounds ladies in this country long time sound system and record producer of instruments on things and star of a recent documentary about him a bio pic of it for its. Brittanie with us as well having this conversation be fascinating to hear. A 100 some 31 to. Find someplace from a school. 31000 B.C. Radio. Carly a 1000000 with. I am a. Very well fed so much of you listening to this conversation yes I have actually been quite interesting to hate so many different opinions on it actually represent . Breed of artist. How you describe yourself as a reggae artist or d'armes all artist I would actually say both because I drew. A dude on soul music and I do wrecking because I love I think a lot of his. From Jamaica in the don't wanna make a scene you do kind of mix and. Johnny was as well because. They. Came from reggae you know so I don't think. Don So I just themselves can just leave out reggae. What's the difference between tones already was different I was. Done so was the OP spring of regolith the more hardcore. The more hardcore genre I would say from Randy place reggae but harder. To dig for the vibe is different but the let's say the. What you're speaking about and the you're going to get more and more dogs party vibe with dance all in reggae's more about social issues than love and things like that. It's not just the music itself the what you're speaking about in me to well you wouldn't give us a taste of Oliver would you just a little acapella so we couldn't overdo. So I have a song called One dance right now and it's it's I would say it's on the reggae side definitely on the reggae side and it's speaking about social issues and. I losed I give you guys a little acapella let me. One then again our way upward me. Know all the yeah it's that part of me is the reggae side of me and I have the down south side of me as well. When you leave us so unsatisfied you gave was just it was even just a lot. Listen to the full song called. Beach and I am saying. It's not that there is Hammon. It is. What would you do to test out your dogs or. Something you can give us a taste of a better it's something that we called thing Dana you see I like stuff. Even. And it's kind of way your almost rockin but you know using melody behind that rock to. Remember when he did that you'd. Love. Me after I saw something I can't remember what it was. So you. Don't want to mention it or give us a taste of what it's really like saying Jack go I mean I think you guys can you know listen to the music and. I will listen to the music I'm going to give you the paper the same day right now I gave it to the law and on you you are the bridge between Jamaica and the U.K. You are the bridge because you were born in Jamaica you live. And D.S.E. Sergers Bros. Definitely I moved to London 6 years older I mean I can see the big influence that Jamaica has had not just agrees it but with the cultures Well our language is well you know patched it. Is it's come a lot in London language as well so trying to say trying to look out in the sun. This is a this new let's go thing is it is a great example of that you know we're such a small island but we have our culture has reached so many and it's so. And it's been received. By people for everybody it when you say Jamaica they can I would say about Mali T. They can say reggae music here and everybody wants to be Jamaican think that. With Carlo either but. Don't forget that Dotty tough but you Mark Riley there. To echo that in that I'm just looking at you know the UNESCO side saying that in recognizing reggae it's recognize new outstanding importance and natural importance to the common culture and heritage of humanity so. What they are recognizing is what most of us is already recognized but just to go back to the point about is it done soul is it Reg You know without the beat behind it. It's difficult it's almost impossible to tell. Because that's what separates the different genres is the rhythm thing it's what's happening behind the vocals is what's happening behind the arrangement and so I would go back to my point which is pies going to challenge me on it's Jamaican pop you know yeah we had Motown Jamaican pop is as powerful as British pop that's what we saying and it's still the fastest growing gone right in the world this year most record reggae records were sold in Poland wryness understanding that this is popular music so why don't we just call it you may compart and start messing we have to defend your franco brothers we've got thank the tree problems for the Polish Connection No You know no deal no money Ron and it's really good robbers when supposin years ago they went out into the proper mountains where they were always Polish folk music scene of scene and normal growth is to come back to give me the. Polish reggae stuff that you don't only are you crazy but honestly that's what the brothers were the ones that broke reggae in Poland for us there's always someone's always somebody who led the way that oh by the way clear thank you very much for being with us to really appreciate I'd like to ask Michael as well yeah I'd like to ask Michael what he thinks about Reddit on. In what context Reggaeton is a sprightly to let me break it down making music so how web does reggaeton fit into all of this to make popular music or to make a pop How does acknowledge that it's a good question Well again it's the influence of reggae in that part of the world you know whether you're looking at Columbia or you're looking at Brazil. Is the influence of reggae and if you say reggaeton we're going back to Don's whole right and so I'm saying is Jamaican popular music is the influence of that internationally whatever you want to call it you can always bring it back in the same way that Britain says Pop everyone thinks Britain is the capital of pop they don't start separating out this decade that decade because you're splitting hairs the force is coming from that location we should ox lubrication lector in the studio Black a drug would you play reggae tall one of your sessions reggaeton. Venue where the people don't want that because it is reggae at the end of the day oh me do it me take off the mid-range on the tops and leave the B.S. . We'll bring you back to reality how much are we trying to music I mean listen to the bass like brings you back to reality so my my disagreement with the war British reggae industry is that. We should not ever ever try to take reggae away from Reggae Reggae is the umbrella let's not try and change it we don't need to actually change it because reggae is the music that everybody gravitates to see if the changes became because of the British reggae companies wanting to control certain aspects of the music and common names or raga and them Surat guys different from reggae which is the C. And B. Cuz I mean music I make done. I mean it roots music but the C M We've taken beats from reggae the tempo played 2 step drum on it and made the same bass line that we planned on one job story them made it into the sea I'm done. With. Beginning of trauma bay she had a low regulators crossing over the people generally known for dramas this is a con I'm king Tubby's on channel one and so it's a reggae it is reggae So let's stop trying to get different labels like it's a pop it's pop pop it's pop so blues is blues funk is funk so why is our only music or a musical one we need for the top and dissect it into different different bits because everybody want to own a piece for themself themselves of us of us come from England impossibly John Wall album them hunting land that knowledge did was recreate the same things that would be in when when Louisa my son caught you know. The cuts and was doing was just grit in that sort of music so all came within a lovestruck is reggae it wasn't made as a lovestruck song as time passed by people start to say this is your lover's rights or John this is an essential symbol it's reggae it was made as a reggae song choice ego this is a problem you know this is going to be a pro. This will be a problem for historians like yourself because standard story and world view of the editor of Black History Month magazine that's good enough for me. Because when it comes to right seeing the history of whether it be Jamaican popular music black British music reggae call it what you would when it comes to writing the history it seems like it's in dispute certainly what it is where it comes from who owns the what the heritage is where it distinguishes itself from its roots or otherwise it does seem much more complex than just saying reggae is from Jamaica and it was exported to the U.K. And elsewhere it seems more complicated than that was a perspective that you well I don't actually think it is complicated to swung could actually make it I mean if we acknowledge what has actually happened is that reggae came out of Rock Steady there was an overlap in the music is very very similar and only the very discerning ear can actually tell the difference in many of the songs and it was a specific style and it was reggae it wasn't Ragga it wasn't whatever this very thing it's making and the bass line is there and that is a reggae bass line the bass line and the one drop and so on and you can actually get away from that and it's very very simple and people music does develop and throughout different ages as a whole throughout time at different periods there were different styles of more or less the same music but it wasn't the same and Ray case what has been recognized and recognized and accepted as by UNESCO as something to be protected and I think it should be but on top of which if I could say you were talking earlier about all that out as to what had not been acknowledged. Well paid their dues and their relative This is one area now where there is a platform for good legal minds to sit down and get together and say right how can we get our rights because we can I believe that we can because somebody knows Uncle Bob who in his back garden sat down and wrote a B.C.D. Somebody knows of that person and let you know let them let the money in the Jews go somewhere where where it belongs was a simple home I don't think it's that simple I don't think it's not for everybody but I think it could be you know a lot easier than we think I think it's definitely worth a try and I think you know has done is great but the G.T. Still comes down to those who love reggae music and who have dedicated their lives to the people that's in the stream to my dedicated their lives to reggae music to still preserve promote and protect reggae and I think the narrative has to come from from people like us and not just left us going I don't think that's what they're trying to do anyways I think they want to engage with other people and Oscar other people their opinions and I think it's a great thing as Definitely yeah I think it will do the union scouting will open up the debate but it's got nothing to do it actually with our people eat our food our get our money from the music it's got nothing to do with that this is a complete separate thing there was a time when the French government said I have 70000000 for the regular industry and everybody starts 5 feet so we're really need is the country because the people I'm in the business to be an issue than one another really and if you know I had a experience where I made that song in England but Jamaica voice it in Jamaica makes it in Jamaica bring it back to England release it the song Muschamp England this is front fired almost there for. I mean if you want to. Give it to a producer Oettinger me a car to release it for me and when I saw the record come back what you think I saw I saw produced an area by him and he sold it to a company in France when I rang the company in France I'm saying so did you get my son from my boy from Mr 8 Ball and this belongs to my son but my problem was then the dreaded stop so I was already registered because I registered my son from 1000 into 2 I started I learnt early what a lot of the people I'm Jackie meter told me that he would play a song for strudel one in the money and he's going to be the same song. For Joel creed in the afternoon because it will get in one poll on our side and one point at a time was good money so we have to recognize that a lot of these people didn't get anything passed away so well from Move On know what Lucky I don't know who is here if them children can get something with them and you know the great minds them will do the same camera don't let me introduce you to who not done. Hardy's and the car the right pronunciation and. How are you you. You know Doug. How does it go how does it. Never mind I'm from that cause well I love when I'm done no matter. How I decide it sounds good it sounds good sound like some I've done so naughty is from over here I don't have gone to Rock of the regulars has it done so rather the reg and that's you know why I love to play it is music so I'm born in Jamaica so like I take like every element I'm told I'm always on top they don't run like it so what do you think about this United Nations thing is it going to help your career a tune on I want YOU percent you know I'm not going to act like a with the media was it like I did it she cited research and stuff like that and I think it is amazing it's an amazing thing obviously like what someone someone with that would just speak and said I don't feel like you've missed anything that we need to all get over but we need to let move forward and make sure that we make a stand like you know where he is just me and just that I'm just happy that's respected and you know me is that Israel did not get the respect Nevertheless despite this you know from the people that if we think it doesn't get enough respect Yeah Does it not get when you go into for example you going out promoting your music do you not find it gets the respect that maybe rock N roll get so other forms of music that for me I can only speak personally and I think for me I get a lot of respect in my music I kind of double between the whole R. And D. Vibe of as well but I get a lot of respect like I think reggae music is something a lot of people say is all that everyone loves like that so I feel anyway the way I look everyone else so I feel like I get a little respect but I'm guessing. A time maybe didn't get a low respect jammin but for me I get a lot yeah everybody loves reggae this is what I had everybody love drug that was achieved by McCabe was in it everybody knows everybody loves Bob Marley I think he dead everybody loves Bob Marley Maybe but why not play reggae that when you go from Play don't sue him or he doesn't love dogs so you know. What why why what are you why do you with a capital over me I just wanna make people happy don't kill me so it's not a serious thing rad shows but if you. Are tired of the double I do have some punk that do have the reggae face. How did you get into the music when did you realize you had the talent as it were my life or car actually pinpoint it from when I was really young I was singing this is before I came to London and I was already just a very musical person my uncle was a D.J. Don they were a sound mind and going around so much music is just something that I love and something I just kept me through last. Member to the music that you grew up and I grew up a lady so like she's outside a lady so being in my. Life. And just. Like can be foot before there was ladies so there was Sister Nancy you remember Bam-Bam . Original you want. To sister Nancy love you every was Brigadier Gerry Sr was in season yes I remember him. It's a men's business and it's a man's business is reggae to. They've been like they've Yeah yeah it's a man's man's man's world so James Brown some Anyway I don't know I don't know about that you know but I know what I look at addy and if they if we read these were all I'm aware of what Mary. I'm glad you pointed that out I know I don't but. I think I will quickly see you live is a website or anything that people couldn't catch up with you on. Our credibility I'm going to be on Friday about to be a sub a party. Well on Saturday Saturday so this Saturday come the next Saturday Yeah this article coming out next year Jan already I'll be on the coaches and I look high this is a pile from rag on ya I can Hi I just wanted to say I'm a reggae head I LOVE YOU ALL song called I know everyone off by heart you did a lot of mashing actually an amazing. Lady So yes you have. Never had. A member of my beat him out a lady so it's a good. Man as no music you know it's you know I know I don't think so I thought I thought people think they always be there you when it comes to dark and they automatically think you've got to be dirty but if you listen to any marching. So you know you're not right I think tank you know you're dyin I'm sure. I give everything away I mean. That was a website. Instagram or any of these things you youngest I don't share everything I like I hardly that they are like the I hate to. Have a car really appreciate you joining us this evening and I thank you. Well it's great to see the younger generation are on to par I mean they do seem to have learned the lessons that the older generation did learn you know the good. You have access to legal representation they know what they should do now days I'm much a very much an advocate for youth and I think that the younger generation in reggae music they have reset then they've reset they've not from elections they speak to people as well I mean even myself coming into the reggae industry wanting to be reggae Tanya I went to some of my karate and Mike Riley was very helpful in regards to giving me a push and getting me to understand what it was that I needed to do and I think that we need to support the younger generation because when you know assess a you know I say that we need to preserve reggae music is about the younger generation and. I agree with you I think it's where Black Yeah I think it's about the older generation. So they don't need project number the older generation will be here forever but they picked me. I went to chronic sure that year and I felt proud as a regular person and I felt really proud the fact that cryonics is taking the thing to a level that it hasn't been before because we've been to concerts of 10000 people the problem is that they're all in the concept the rig a concept I'm taking it to another level I'm bringing it to a new audience because if you don't at the Young Ones them know your music you know that's when your music if you don't the young people them know what's going on and I've something listen to cause my appearance used to listen to music and I love music and then I play music to my children them love music them half a continent that and that means that we is the cost or the end of the music you know belongs to nobody you know Kaiser creation right so we had only the cost of audience we just look after and the generation that's to come at them and then them can leave it on the regular I was with we don't need these people we love the recognition that them do it. Mentioned dragon it won't change nothing but it will not people I see Jimmy a con parliament dancing because I'm your recognition but when I 1st came in 10 years 20 years ago we have a prison for the C M sound M M B 2 A We are asked by a reggae boy I. Know them on the morning and poor resume is such a shame that the Jamaican government didn't realise just like you said 30 years ago when reggae was in its heyday you know when talking about late seventy's and early eighty's I'm not saying that it can't sell more records now saying that Ramsay in its heyday where you had all artists not just burning diamonds go. These were politicized still coming on still politics A Again I'm happy I read the revolution I saw I saw a sort of michael up on stage a couple of times when a cover of a kook Klux Klan color hoodie over. But that's a coup Klux Klan's the point I was making back then. 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Of the intangible cultural heritage of humanity which means that reggae is official now you know it's not like the old days when it was underground where it was a pretty laugh it is officially just business what it means you know just business a new business ya know the one supported song it was official unofficial or whatever it is Joy Siegel is here this year with us she's a composer and it's a Black History Month magazine we talk about that a moment ago Mark Riley with us here principal investigator based culture research at the University of Westminster who talk about that research and it's going. Great legendary black and dread have original sounds legs and sound system and records to a record producer yes he produced Frankie pulls fire and the moose was tail we just heard the conversation as well and we've got reggae Brits and he is pyro been seen with us I'm delighted to say the one and only basi Avast who had Mr Tony get is with us at Saudi Good evening good evening good evening Wow You know I'm not worried are you Gary No 250 quid I'm just listening to the. Introduction to all the people you have Apollo left. Put it we could. Record trade. Like Alrighty. Yeah yeah yeah that's so that's where I got the Robinson brigade Brittania Exactly exactly. The last time I spoke to you you around my house actually and you went into the studio at the bottom of the garden and drop some chickens you did anyone say one say I'm sorry that I missed to talk about that. Region a lot. I say the original but then actually you took over from Georgia the band was a bass player yeah yeah my daughter and I knew we could play so we could basically . I mean the a day of as wedge with albums like not satisfied. Not sure no it wasn't I should missed it was it not true progression for progression for progression. This was a page and also the live album as well why. Don't I write anything else that really was. Reggae that you love in those days sure when you see work a rebuttal to the same. Record regular isn't going anywhere I mean weapon if you want what if what a new generation of your new generation Emmylou to make you not come up out there play music I mean if you ask them all the messages coming from records that there was a spring of the generation that was out in the beginning in that time yeah yeah yeah OK When you say we would talk about half of the lower level if you want to come from the moon listen to what we're doing in the 1st place so it's still. What we call reggae but isn't there something. Even though everybody's dancing to the beat Nowadays the original ages the original has still having to kick down doors to the road on the radio even road just runs in Tests just stuff from people like you really could talk radio and get people to understand will don't see. A while here so I hear some Pashman you ask but based I what I heard about the what about the. Clip So if you when you strip it down you know the best but because. You're suggesting that it's a big day it's a rugby it's what is what with the music in turn all the time and not trying to be funny but if you're a reggae Delight's admit you don't seem to kill it said you know I mean I don't know why that is. That I'm not. Sometimes. You could love music star I mean you know we have our different place like our level of like yeah. I'll call it but it's just regular. Guy I struck music I prefer music and attended about double bass to go. And it. Was there 1st before reggae So yeah I remember my dad somebody sued Yeah I remember the 1st time I saw. The flood you know it was already coming down the street was my bedroom house celebrity ready coming down the street because you had the reggae sound system there was static but. You know it was it was. Kind of shrine you know it's like a shrine to the back of his truck come to. Your new microphone I have to. Get a hammer with him one God. But he said you would never have introduced reggae . As part of. Yet cultural heritage they're given in recognition of cultural heritage Reg recognition globally they're making it official they feel that it needs to be protected it's made a huge contribution to humanity to what extent do you support them in what they do . Well I mean it's support them I mean African musicians and regular of us who support anything that's got it hard for me because you know get your music some respects of it while it will it give a welcome to the desert Well the respect that he says I mean if you check where we take our affection if you check for the size of the place where I recognize it is coming from and what is done in the 20304050 years that we call the reggae music if you check it's done from the local place to strike from and if it's already a music not just internationally say internationally wife actually got a job because Russia actually Kraftwerk if you go up Poland you have people a play reggae music so I always stress from now that the death of the commotion the stuff that's out big big commotion from the little place it come from so if you say that it needs help well. If you look at where coming from and what is done you are so well by the much by themselves so if you come and help you can say Yes thank you which part of the world have you not performed reggae in which part of the world I mean apart from the North Pole and Tartikoff park there are still many places we haven't been to write about yes we have never been to Russia we've never been to be. And I mean and there's you know Africa is a very big place especially in Africa we haven't been. To still islands in the Caribbean we have an engine so sorry and I mean the world is a very big place I know so anyway you know anywhere you put down anywhere in the world you want to go and say I reckon music somebody will know what I get busy case . All the places we've been to we've seen it you know me. You deserve every respect thank you very much for joining this is evening reggae all over the world and it's really appreciated not just me but many people one of my favorite gigs of all time was seeing as well at the Commonwealth Institute where you tour the place than you might remember that gigs so here I was a proper gig that was. And then I had my co-writer Droid. Patel you're making. Frasier who has a cool place with one of we. Community of people a reggae fraternities Somebody once said. Let's go back as well to our guests here in the studio joy Seeger I know that you want to say something a few minutes but I think that thought. Well one of the things I wanted to say with just listening to him speak. Was making music is what I think it has a message and and the message comes from the very rooted. It I always keep going back to the roots but it comes from the very roots of it and that message appeals to billions and you know no saving millions but it appears to billions all over the world message who is now missing the same thing what is the message of poverty lack of recognition injustice police brutality because you know these things always aimed at the poorest set of communities. I'm really reggae's about the birds and the BE in the trees in the sky I don't listen I so I don't make it. As we'll as we know. Reggae have to have many seeds about beautiful things as well to make this most of reggae songs are about love they're about things that you see and things around so we exclude them from calling them but no no they are making as well and that's the that's the beautiful romantic sight of reggae but the reggae actually that really attracted the people with the the one the songs that the bass is sounds to some people aggressive It sounds as if it's got a message there's drums and what have I and the lyrics the lyrics everybody can relate to the lyrics of. Rethink you know what I mean I couldn't you know but that is and see establishment is that that's where. You know that stylish might become popular and don't mean just the establishment of the home and that's that's that's all people see yeah not our style Bob Dylan is an a man who fight against Rodin right that's establishment nobody have been about against Truth really one of the on the street to 5 to 10 right as well so yeah them up out of the Bible and yeah yeah reggae but the government is always part of the battle. They want. To position on the do these things. You know I let them go in there by themselves we've heard what they mean so we tell them we give them the remit to go on to foolishness more than what the roots of the reggae is lightness is that the roots of the reggae The fundamental is the software. Or that Reg It does give you because I do it we're seeing what someone suffers reaction so much pressure we have the love song down how we have the unity sang them on an aspiring young musician are seeing us all. Look at and see what's out in our music sounds out music nice you know what dance our music does not. As much as regular roots rock music that is the rare music and that's what they're looking at. That we've missed out and that is that actually the bass and reggae introduce a resonance a frequency that wasn't there in in popular music production which is generally back in they produce for radio so it's mid-range reggae was produced for an outside . Occasion open spaces and bass had to carry so you know we mustn't forget that one of the attractive components of reggae was the actual production the sound within the production that changed the landscape of production in the U.K. And the international outside reggae as well because this is where I think what Paul was saying earlier that all these other musical formats appropriate aspects of reggae I'm looking at the not not in terms of the music the songs but in terms of production it would hip hop be today if it hadn't started doing exactly what all these you know King Tubby's or whoever it was remakes Yannick so to dub this is half of half of the original guys should kill gang wasn't hard for that song dub half of you know represent essentially doubling up. Taking away the vocal drums and the bass line and all the rest of us from really. Good nobody but you honestly think the United Nations even know that you're missing even when they. May bring a cost late night I think record at the end of the day of the people that come up with this decision they must like reggae music that have to love it but they must of recession are going to just make up a choice to do something without knowing was actually they're doing but there is an important point which joy was saying in regards to the message. Traveling around the well it into a call give you example I went to Egypt 9 is coming and the people there really taking on to reggae music listeners come in anymore well I call it yes Egypt and they really love reggae music and I find that when the something happening in a country sum up he will rise a little they like black folk said they love. I learned a lot about Saddam I'm just saying in regards to reggae they really love reggae music and I find that when they ask those countries that are having some form of rising that they listen to and it gives them some form of comfort and they identify just really here that say reggae's not doing its job in the U.K. Currently when a lot of value it is not me and only cause. Card like I'll tell you difference big for me a lot of a lot of reggae young people out there I play a reggae I've got to say I'm a Costa regular Tony we have a large reggae following and one thing I can say in regards to the grime it would also draw me as it's been said here today and I think someone said it on the telephone through they blaming the pie in the record I'm saying leg aids may have taken aspects of reggae music you can share in that sound so we can say that reggae is not doing its job is for us as people in the community as people of Great Britain which you change is on it's a help young reggae to put the consciousness into the. Room because you're the butt . Then it's their job they know it's there you know laugh at me and scream is not putting it all. Out there the message the modem the message got them to the media farm once and no they give us what they want so we've got the media in the social media that way for them that's what that's why I get the recognition Oh yeah because people have free speech on movement more with the advent of the this media were direct you can get the people who really want it but if you look at the last year you did you hear insisted move more conscious and as a result of this and that when you can get the vibes you can get the message to them I hear the message. Them in the message because you get the vibes to them but the people them or not sing sing 50 you them them it was a no go far still you know you have to check it in the day don't go far the only music that extend annually or 20 years down the line is the music where I say give a message where there is a message of a lot of peace unity why are music not last long why music that's why a bone to be killed biggest villain is poor people fed up because no matter how much I've sung them sing and I'm life in can bypass that and I always say to these you have to look at what you do and that's why various I'm on are we as go forward because his message when he puts on our bomb he has come in Jenna's album he has a piece on every single thing so this is where we want the music in the liver wanted me want B.B.C. The a time in the DIA time so we can get some more or Bloody we can get some work in peace . You know we can. Go on number one we're not get no more can be with everything not one I'm number one when last we get I would Ricketts on a normal one because the media control because I'm can't control the music then don't get when I'm weren't. Let me bring in Caddy Hughes impact him Hello Carol how are you I'm good thank you very very well thank Judge in your notice. I am more spoken what with me Vic myself what song Gone give us a tell us what your mind is little kallah wait wait wait wait before I do that. I just want to just say that it's pretty funny and kind of what you've been gauge today. To see a minority Hi my core. Yes. What do you have thank you so much. Come. OK So are you spoken what I used to reggae beat the drum really to be frank it's African drum beat with. Linson crazy Johnson a LOT The Last Poets a bit of both. There's a. Gene been to breeze was an inspiration very ethical for me yes you know afterwards I said some foolishness about reggae being a male preserve it was foolishness I knew it was foolishness even as ascetic at Easter. To everybody well you know the play I called up earlier well before it was mentioned and someone struck you mentioned it was his grave was the fact that the music has been left for a lot of people without right without their copyright and recognition and legacy for their family copyright laws like P.R. As they covered it for 70 years so they still time even there I believe you know you had people like. Martin gave family the estate claim against a certain couple of songs and they had to retract remember when he. Had you know like James Brown when he realized saying that might be people so why can't it be the same to reggae a whole host HANNITY The whole genre no matter what the subculture of it or whatever if people know that they are regional thing that they can do that it would take a long time the so that many things take a long time you know and if the families are still. With us I think the difference to be thin is that Marvin Gaye's family was able to take. Was the name for Williams to court because they had the wherewithal to do it and the same with James Brown he had the wherewithal to do we're talking really about sufferers you know for a better phrase Get of the poor the weakest poorest people make their own earth are they going to take some producer he's not even on the island days in the U.K. Or in New York or wherever are they going to take him to go well that's what I'm I'm actually actually since. The fact that it's being recognized by you and someone mentioned it on a panel after I called them that basically it could be that somebody is now US. By this new sort of like recognition to say I'm going to represent all these people . Who could be set out and they could be a call for the people who have a claim to go to this particular base to kill a body you know if they want to make a claim why not I mean they could buckle or change I mean even if you had some bank of music I listen to the show before your back I'm here Larry that acts on the top of my name just changed slightly by a beat for the banker of. The most successful group a school themselves Asian Dog Foundation any goes through I'm still not know you know goodness OK OK that's right I can do that. In your own time. Just to say I'm a little. More just have a you know. OK ready this is this why do. I say. I'm a bit sick to come into my home town with a bike that is under the gun at the back of his head and a feller's going in Petah my mother and all the time except intend to kill my father and then said he'll tell you things that teach me and I was coming back to talk to order to get out some day I'm only in that meeting because it was exhausting by mine and tried to stop play to find some peace and somebody can get my material inside I think you can think you know what I could see that men could be so home from the conflict easy targets crumble sure. I'm helping my professor that I was trying to get hold of him because I wanted to record something with him and I would say I'm going to give us ideas about my bow said remember he is. The man I see as well Kennedy thank you very much so that we're running out. It's army really running out of time so I'm going to go run the table very quickly and ask my guests the pertinent question they thought they'd get out of here without this question but no you have to drop it on them so at the United Nations you know when they decided to declare that reggae was his heritage music the Jamaican contingent immediately played one love by Bob Marley What shoes should they have played the represented by the reggae or Jamaican new music apart from one love what Chuen should they have played it was to go and go the selective Mrs selects a black address of the one and only that would you played him he wouldn't want you back. If you're. The one love in the context of you know Nations Jamaican music correct gave me was a word she used to go for you know what I get him I mean come was he stepping it I thought this year. That. That's what it was from the 2nd album but it wasn't from the 1st song was a note of was have emergency or something like. You know we're bring it to the next level and it's all I was deputed out of this here. Kid something. That would have been doing that would have been. I'm going to. Do something. Like I like OK separate this yeah. The pie Robinson of reggae Brits had it just remind me what is reggae Brittania we are an official platform for reggae music in the U.K. We exhibit reggae and anything that's but we got back from the skin and. Yes everything everything off until you can base website was websites reggae Pret dot com. US one is around what's hot on Facebook if you type in reggae bring deafening for you if you do. A good show that you played at that you know meeting other than one love what would you play with someone soon that would represent a regular Jamaica music you know I would still played Bob Marley One Love You know I said apart from that. Then I would be angels Africa and I would preach full peace talks. As my man is not a man right never I do what no. It's just you know many plain angels I've the everybody wants to go up to heaven but not everyone said I follow as G.'s us. Joy she would said what you have come for well yeah yeah I do actually think one love with a great choice you have bought. I think if I change something it would have probably been Redemption Song because this is the beginning it tells the story I learned in the past yeah and it's a song that makes us think about the makes everyone think about the future saw him play that live for the 1st time I saw him play that live audience didn't know what hit them they never go back and went off stage the Bob Marley comes on back cause they would acoustic nobody knows was going to go in and literally you could have heard a pin drop there's about $7000.00 of us at the the Tivoli in Stockholm at the time my karate what would you have gone for would you go for I'm just kicking out the court on a gun all the way back to Prince buster and call it madness. I love it yeah yeah madness made news they call it madness and of course the prince bust a version of the Yeah Yeah over they did good they did do good version madness of course a my Mrs was with them about this just this weekend do nothing about Newton's and someone said to me yeah but means that I'm sure that's where because at the end you're all projects the base culture research how can people find out about. Just go to base cultured dot com And you you find everything there is Films up there and photography there's a whole history about as well because absolutely we ask you all to get involved Black History Month magazine or. Produce the magazine once a year hard copy and every month we update our websites and we've got at the moment very interestingly we're looking at the African Diaspora how they've been spread worldwide lack of drugs have to be good search if you want to be good people for me to year record that comment I look old from a border one done album coming so. Early album with would you please try our income is easier because you're going by like little week for me I'm going to. Be regular news in our travel with Ian McKellen. Radio. B.B.C. Said. This isn't on. B.B.C. Radio. London's News a 10 hour my dear ran a robust response is absolutely right to tackle violent crimes that's the word from the prime minister who is now backing the Mets tough new tactic of knocking moped thieves off their bikes even in high speed chases but there are warnings that it's only a matter of time before the tactic is questioned in court the PM support comes amid a Twitter spat between the Home Secretary and shadow home secretary as Mikel afford report I have a saying knocking people off bikes is potentially very dangerous and shouldn't be illegal for anyone police are not above the law with Sajid Javid applying no risk assessed tactical contact is exactly what we need criminals and not. Above the Law police of being called to pack on write a day to reports of a person in possession of a firearm a man has been arrested on suspicion of firearms offenses and remains in custody happened around midday today but police remain on scene this evening to 19 year olds have been victim to a knife attack in North London in the early hours today police and ambulance crews were called to city road where they found the pair with Slash injuries they've been taken to hospital for treatment Labor has confirmed it will try and hours the prime minister if he loses the breaks it vote it said it will seek a motion of no confidence in the government and then try and trigger a general election the Tories say Labor is trying to disrupt the U.K.'s withdrawal from the E.U. But Labor's breaks it spokesman says the writing's on the cards if she loses that vote the legislation we've already passed says she must come back to the house and make a statement about what she's going to do next so we need to see what about it but it seems to me that if the Prime Minister's lost a vote or VAT sort of significant.