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B.b.c. Radio launder. His music 2 o'clock am Stephen Davis a man who alleged he was the victim of a v.i.p. Paedophile ring has been charged with multiple offenses related to the possession of indecent images of children the man who was given the pseudonym Nick had claimed the Ring was responsible for murdering 3 children and his allegations prompted the Met Police to launch Operation middle and the investigation was wound up without any charges a judge at Westminster Magistrates Court has ruled that the arrest warrant issued against the Wiki Leaks founder Julian Assange for skipping bail remains valid he's been living at the Ecuadorian embassy in London 5 years to avoid extradition his lawyer Jennifer Robinson spoke outside court he made an issue and said he will not be extractable United States to face prosecution and the use of the United States of the attempted use or abuse espionage to silence public interest publishing any really revealing true information in the public interest is a grave threat to phrase things that all of us and everything should be resisted detectives investigating the fatal stabbing of a teenager in Barking have named the victims 19 year old her son also can police were called late Saturday night to Abbey Road where he was pronounced dead at the scene from multiple stab wounds no arrests have been made the former chairman of the construction firm Caribbean has said he takes full responsibility for its collapse and is devastated Philip Green was giving evidence to M.P.'s on the Commons Business Committee which is investigating why the firm went into and they could i should the conservative m.p. Heidi Allen who's on the committee said she was unimpressed I'm somewhere between confused I'm grade disappointed shocked at the level of competence or lack of that seemed the time I felt listening to people who were exceptionally well paid allegedly absolutely in their field I found it breathtaking that they didn't see the warning signs and that this you know many of them expressed it. The shock when the company finally crashed I found that quite unbelievable pioneering research has revealed what the 1st modern Brits looked like 300 generations ago an unprecedented examination of Britain's oldest complete skeleton known as Cheddar man shows the young man would have had a darker complection than previously thought along with blue eyes and dark curly hair the u.s. Entrepreneurial Musk has launched his new rockets the Falcon Heavy from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida so 60. 3 The Mt with. The with. The vehicle lifted clear of its power to soar over the Atlantic Ocean and mil was hopes of an f.a. Cup 5th round tie against Tottenham were dashed after they were defeated last night by a goal to nil Rochdale in League One Wimbledon were beaten by 2 goals to one at Bury London's weather snow settling in parts of the southeast through the night with warnings of ice for the morning a cloudy start them with a chance of more snow showers but then turning bright in late afternoon for the top temperature tomorrow for Celsius 39 Fahrenheit b.b.c. Radio London is 4 minutes past 2 kicking off with an ins top story this morning. Is London I'm getting people all over London getting angry man I should cry now how do we get to these these b.b.c. Radio larger. Watchman Feraud b.b.c. Radio London they're describing it as the new space age that's how they're describing the launch of Space X.'s Falcon Heavy rocket with Steve was telling us about in the bulletins are the new space age is where we're into because this new rocket just fired off a few hours ago at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida is bigger and more powerful than the sets in the rockets that carried him into. The men are for centuries. This is the new space age are you as excited about it as I am ocurred you care yes. 70 to 40000 Yeah a couple people virgins and I got more important things to saw on this planet earth of ours like world hunger world poverty that kind of thing yet and yet. I you know exaggerated by the dawning of a new space age. Where to you feel this tasteless. The sky's the limit literally 027242000 actually it's not because the sky again above the sky was a Me OTOH 72 for 2000 and above this girl. Not if the moon in the southern the sky Well anyway this guy's an m. And s. As she is that because he worked here the green once upon a time where you thought I'd forgotten about that t.v. Show the sky's the limit you remember that. 72 for to. Feel free to give me your memories of that as. An Opportunity knocks and the Golden Shot etc But the other subject been talked about today is how you're judged and Ok the springboard for this was the father of the pop singer Beyonce saying that she wouldn't have achieved as a search that she's achieved if she had been darker skinned and the general question I'm asking regardless of color of skin there is a more pertinent question. Which is about the way people are judged but I'm sure you've been judged on the way you know your appearance I certainly know we would have a point and. I suspect we've done some judging ourselves. Rightly or wrongly you have judged people. And rightly or wrongly you have been judged so is it wrong wrong to judge people by their parents. If you were wrong with it. If somebody comes. With an unkempt appearance Do we not judge them by. If somebody appears before us and they're very smart do we not judge them by. Is anything wrong with that and the apparence is no sort of. Guarantee of their intellect. Think it is about into that when you meet someone you care about appearance thing. About appearances we care about is not. 0 to 7 Tutti Frutti that if we're wrong in doing that if we are wrong about judging people by their appearance what should we judge them by each Omi what should we judge people by. Their appearance or something else. Over to you my number is 020-272-2420 extension 00 let's have that wider conversation. You can incorporate any element of this discussion that you like. Or not of it introduce your own 72242000 Bubby is in Victoria l.-o. By the how here. You could or are. In the Rose Garden the military was. Altered So the mob called on the whole entourage of. An innocent man probably probably So it's a crime you. Didn't turn up with much like mine if we could use straight back to the shop instead. And. Then. I just say let's say I can't really go this target because there is a God you know we can hear you know as good as you know we can hear you good. Now I know I know they send you to. Early safety is that well so it will respect for me because of the well you do is a sin not only live not talk to somebody in the state and I say excuse me because you quote the number 11 God not entirely. Change a no I asked him to say trying to speak because of the law. All this one and I wasn't telling me so I will not as you have been so i'm wrong influence fast I don't make sense to the liars accelerated because I wasn't God God 7 but divine on. All because of all the things saying I love the money to my mom not Jim I me asking how you look all total say all all to those close result Well no it's plenty. Well there are no clothes Carlos the crane I don't know a little Russian was so you know I don't think that's the stuff. We want but I look at me and the person I think when they look at me they don't look inside me I look at the progress of a book and not read my book they don't know where I am so I cannot. Know now so I want to say and I'm the most pleasant but I don't see that legs are not nothing about me bo'sun was very silly and may seem a little stoppage go out for. A lot is I live now I let him go nuts and I'm now almost a one time as. A dad. Yeah that's the good craziness that I like to understand no no no no no. No no no keep shouting as long as you don't use any naughty words I'm happy I know no. No no you don't know I know Ana Ana Ana Ana But you know sometimes when people start raising their voice you're afraid to any minute now they're going to lose it and use a word that you didn't want them to use already and that you have to cut them off not that I want to do that to you because you're already nice but the good and everything but as you asked about the time remember what you said you asked people what's the time if they've got the time when actually. People don't have the time anymore to read your book. I love the way that you put that you will write we read the cover how many people have got the time to read a book when you just approach them on the street what they do is judge you by your appearance they've got the time for them they've got the time to read the cover can you blame them a lot but I learnt no. Oh. I learned a minute let me. Well I'm not asking for spare change I view now we haven't got much space and. I'm not almost. Asking sort of challenge. Any chanst you know where the newest underground station is. Usually you know we haven't got much and. I know I see what. It is Don't worry about that but I'm no. Good I'm no Emain but when I say can you blame them remember you're coming to a little bit scruffy and every other person that comes to them a little bit scruffy is homeless and he's asking for some spare change so when they see you coming they're like No I haven't got any change because they judging you based on Movie other people that scruffy like you who come up to them Can you blame them and number 2 I learned. My lesson. How does it make you feel like. Well. Well no saying tell you how does it make you feel asking those changes I want to stay how does that make you. Know the audience and how does not think that one I don't know if you. Knew. Exactly when you. Think You Are. Because I don't even know you how does it make you feel when they judge you like that how does it make you feel. But I just take it on the train you have to say when you're in Mosul certain stunk it up for all of it is luck and every guy current will say that this happened once or twice stationary as you call $911.00 so would you fight to them and you have to tell us isolate it would you say to them when they turn around and say No we haven't got any change to say all was on once let's say. It was once then change although I don't know I could not sell or tell no one touches was on the plate. On the chips and people come to NATO this is a little taken place when I was really really never think of the Elves on a street in London and I actually probably make myself a rocket was even with me any more money paid the look and then only I wanted another thorough a quick call contains a trick and it left only because the parliament fröken through that to one of the another couple could of some company so and so when I chose the table crop and gave me money I don't remember if but I want to ask someone for the coke and surely the politeness will please yes cup of 70. Or so was all honestly there is still to be put on a piece judging me for the right and do they apologized once you tell them that you don't want the spare change you just saw asking for the time would direct you to the station or just telling them tell me nice day to day apologize to you for just as for the no numbers on the low side else sir a yes the teller this. Past 7. A girl courage I did because I didn't realize that I overstepped the consolation to them. And then the forever even listen to all the same this because of the way all you. Are you actually had a mess I made it also rather stunning turn Ok And is that why your scruffy is not one scrap it is a good come by new crimes again Ok I'm no I'm not criticizing I'm not criticizing you probably I'm just trying to figure out how come they see you as a homeless person that's where I can understand a real incentive to the going is that Chinese farmers are suffering here but I will say in a way I missed on the come on mother for a one on a. Poem here I was going to say in a way you are homeless in a way you may not regard yourself as a lot of people would say Ok living in a hostel snow ideal is a snow a permanent residence is it clever is a lot of live crosses and. By and by or in some ways where other action is going now and even stop to think oh government played well in a 1st come to London 1st series I was left with the sense that a face was all kinds of want to know the door and then to come to me didn't mean money the money good so I don't feel so downtrodden any will want still believe it. Staveley and the cult not having the case. So it's not like to think that the police go to do you think you will be able to improve your situation and to get a permanent cap to do you think it will happen and how long will it take for the advent of the wanted like a fancy to see. A name I know whether 'd it's funny writing or funny some of the not Ok let me hold on let me also criticize Why let me also caution this way Bobbie would you like to happen in the future what would you like to happen for you in the future I was like a place of the month but 'd by chance actually. On the most self. Part unlike a poem all I know is still but I can only say one thing going to 'd the causes of. The film is close to me both for the change and when the selling of food is festive again so. Far as a cleansing of lawn penthouses and talk a little on my current state is a well run state of running than anyone in London you think because everything on the federal that's what you think and I think has a shelf and then only horses and couldn't pay for all that in a cult as only. One permit. The same time we call. Government. For them to pay this. Christmas. Thank you well you know you own it but well you look like well a. Little. Loose. Your lonely those oh good moves right oh no well I'll tell you from from what you were doing at the Royal Academy and developing your skills as an artist one of these days they're going to judge you and you're going to be the person they're going to be going to sell the B.'s or Christie's to buy your work of art and they'll realize that's the person we were saying you know got no change to listen call up any time by the way you call fascinating story there's a great story and it's really inspirational to hear you turn your life around and taking hold of your talent your creative turn into summer within I wish all the best make sure you keep us updated regular calls I'm happy for that. Book great cool Thank you Bobby really appreciate it go Hillary in you'll with us as well I know Hillary are you. Not too bad thank you I couldn't sleep show I've been listening to you're pleased to hear that I'm delighted that. Yes one thing for my part being the older generation. But you're right you are and yes but we're not hearing an echo to apologise now let's go right to. When I was young you know I lived in the village you wish to share you all still young so you mean when you're a young guy. I was young I mean you know I go back I mean if you but you know good luck if you saw a black cat you know that's in Florida or you know back as well. Up in a village if you ever saw a black. Eye do you cause we never had any black people did this still the case. Oh no I don't think so but you know I mean you know I was asked going back 17 years I don't I don't I wasn't you I would support your old village and good luck trip. I mean it had to you most issues a little bit age but I always know it's now I've got a brother thing and I've got a brother that went to school out there who's Jamey sons but he went to school to move and so I went to my most I want to see how some of the areas some of that. But I mean it's so it shows how times have changed Yeah yeah I think really in this country and I mean I think that you know pretty and I mean it's good that we're all good but. I wish on lots of different people and we put a lesson from other cultures I wish it was too good luck in a village to see a black man and I wish it was still good luck because you know I come bearing luck could wish it could. If you could look at my bad luck I'm not here I mean I'm not. Yes I got what it was you know that is the exact words I will say. You went around looking for this good luck you never found it. But. I think one of them actually one of the 1st and he was a black So we're here but my grandma used to live deliberately age she had American soldiers. Lodging you know one of the most colored Yeah Ok coming Serbian Black Yeah now that has no Does Don't apologize then because you said you know you've lady in a very gentle lady from a different era totally get that and you corrected yourself and I said apologize but. Obviously looking back and thinking back you're making me smile I've got a huge smile on my face because something can be mad. And how much luck London is gone in comparison with why you would look for the village. Hundreds if not millions of luck that would go that route if we didn't freeze. Let's really you know rates you know sure they've got to we've got black people in the village now I thought I haven't got anybody in the village I can almost say that that would be fun do you ever go back to the village itself it's not really all the web. You know I don't travel very much now I was once driving up to Birmingham for something and so I was left much distance from factory but I just wondered whether you should retrace or not you know yes sometimes it's not good to go back is it come to know and I mean I don't have any connections there I mean I have. Grandparents as a parish in the church shows and things like that not probably all trying to go before you know my make old me sort of thing but I don't know whether one should retrace Oh no you know I have to challenge her to. Sort of saying that these are very personal and sometimes she may. How do you go through 1719. Do they have a problem between themselves looking at. The conversation that I've shared with everybody tonight about their parents I've never. Mentioned a single word about to themselves and we have never mentioned it because it's a total irrelevance in our family but you know when they're great you know they might but you should be discussing them on the break you do you know what if I was people to discuss that things on the radio then it's Ok I think you know yeah I can none of us a very good question you ask because every now and then I tell my younger daughter Elle I mention you on the radio you have to be didn't have my permission but look you know you know she does she's Because she's she's like that she's a bit too cool for comfort but say you know how do I tell you funny thing even though it's never been issues of conversation within our family when they were at school together when they went to the same school once upon a time yes I remember they were in junior high school and I went to collect them at 4 o'clock or 331 of his high months and the you know the playground lady came rushing over to me and she was she just sits me without any problems. But then nothing a lot I think nothing in law. And what you're trying to say but she couldn't quite get it. It made you know they got it you got to give her mother or something I don't know but it once was gone through that you go back you . Once upon a time that may have been the conclusion. That I made sure it was one of those things that I saw who knew what she was trying to get out but I wasn't prepared to help to say what I say so I was like you know what you mean but I think if you. Sometimes you have to loft you sometime during it yeah you make but it's very unusual isn't it unusual it's not that unusual you know it's not that unusual it's whom I was thinking about that when I was speaking to last year I just kind of goes well you know. I haven't seen it you know family you know but it's very common you know it's much more really yeah it's much more common in fact I'll tell you a funny story. In my wife's family. Most of the people who've met for my wife's side of the family are like of Chinese appearance if that makes sense they're black but. Some kind of have been going on some time in the park and I don't want to them what I would say the Chinese as far as I know yes you sing well you know sometimes I think sometimes it comes out in the next generation or whatever it might be and that's the seat nature no use no color lines you know and that's extraordinary about when you were talking about you know. Whatever we got way way back. Something else here that yes the Cheddar man 10000 year old ancient Britons could just one more quick thing at every I live I live down the road to a nurse she was a black woman she was married to a white guy they had twins one of the 2 ins came out Black one of the twins came out white they lived like 100 yards away from us and we knew them very well as well the son I think came out white and the daughter came out black maids with twins it's amazing history happens next not the 1st already true do you think I've read about it in the newspapers of a separate family but this woman definitely had it because I saw them so the children and the returns Yeah happens in my nature. Knows no. Bounds and that's the beauty of the world we live in Hilary thank you very much you know I could talk to you all night long and keep it some point but one of these. Headlines detectives investigating the fatal stabbing of a teenager in Barking her name the victim is 19 year old her son also can police were called late Saturday night to Abbey Road where he was pronounced dead at the scene no arrests have been made a man who alleged he was the victim of a v.i.p. Paedophile ring has been charged with multiple offenses related to the possession of indecent images of children the man who was given the pseudonym Nick had claimed the Ring was responsible for murdering 3 children and their allegations prompted the Met Police to launch Operation Midland investigation was wound up with no charges pioneering research has revealed that the 1st modern Britain looked like $300.00 generations ago an unprecedented examination of Britain's oldest complete skeleton known as Cheddar man shows the young man would have had a darker complection than previously thought along with blue eyes and dark curly hair a male was hopes of an f.a. Cup 5th round tie against Tottenham were dashed after they were defeated by a goal to Rochdale last night in League One at Wimbledon would beat into one Barry London's weather a cloudy start the chance of more snow showers there but then turning brighter by mid afternoon top temperature 4 Celsius 39 Fahrenheit b.b.c. Radio London next update at 3 o'clock. This is London when you come up there is streets so. Forceful. To the side. Of the road it's really. Funny if you really. Want to retraining call the city we get every. Day to radiate. The Dawson with you until. Will be in at that point thanks for your text 81 triple 3 please start your text of the word London at one sec says apparently over his president was a natural blonde talking about how we judge people. By appearance if not by parents and how should we judge people actually Elvis was Ginger you know or read it yeah he's a natural read but they filters most Veldts like to turn him into a raven haired rocker and it worked Larry Hughes says Dawson even the media back in the fifty's would judge mental with white artists e.g. Bill Haley who did have success but look like everybody's dad it's true I saw him live you know to my granddad by that point yeah so ima and the Mecca are in Stephen and some short story about how I missed my last train home and ended up in the police cell in Welling cotton city after having had started from Stephen h. To wedding Garden City in the middle of the night as a 12 year old Leave that to one side he says. Yes Bill Haley who did have success but look what he's dead the females in this country were disappointed and it was a case of. A sexy hips with Elvis if it hadn't been him it would have been another sexy hips were the truth is black or white sex sells. Pooley pastor says. Dawson Lawrence's skin is a pulley mobile My brother in law's parents thought he was marrying beneath him cause my wife's sister was in their judgment 2 dogs skinned also note in movies dark skinned men like Eddie Murphy the love interest is always a light skin woman you know that was a point that France is in South Kensington was making and it is a bone of contention I would suggest and suggested some if a bone of contention. With some of African Americans and black people here is a bone of contention and thanks for your take to preaching to the beat enjoy reading them so feel free to text me that's Derry compartments green oh boy of my school and it's always a pleasure sir always a pleasure to talk to you Dawson thank you thank you. So this is going to be a little bit difficult because I'm going to advise you to have a look at the books as a Fawlty Towers and so wonderful in the in the episode known as the Germans yes I think in the war of course there was a wonderful 2 handed sketch there which John phrase must have written with himself and the Major made you get on I don't remember the nature of course it is of course yes you know the bats the scats the major Yeah so not wonderful old actor coud a lot darker he's a good actor he was a good etc a good actor and he got on well with John Cleese because they both sort of cricket apparently Ok. Anyway you wrote this little sketch and just inserted it and the Major is talking about a woman he used to know and he said are must of liked because our I took her to see India India major Yes at The Oval cricket. Like. That's funny business is difficult because it's. And he said and you know it's a funny thing throughout the morning she kept calling them ains. And I said no no you can't say that you can't write nature you can't say that they use pay for law means that dumbly. Agree with you on government service you know. The funny thing was I mean this comedy line has been used many times before. The best of the comedy is not the implied racism of the major because he's beyond that I mean is he's an old character he's an anachronism really and he wouldn't insult anyone particularly woman you know he's the sort of chap would stand up with a woman entered the room and would raise his hand if he was outside to know so he didn't want to cause offense to anyone but it didn't seem offensive to him. The best of the joke was the implied xenophobia of the English that's being used time and time again you remember Flanders and Swann Yes yes I used to do the English the English the English are best I wouldn't give toughness for all of the rest and that goes through all the nations of the world including the Scots are some Welsh. Erling insults at them and basically the joke is that we are so xenophobia that we have to take. The job to get the job but yes the only problem with that is using the pejorative words is the way around that business funny. Sometimes we have to just accept you say pejorative. When I was a kid we would never of called somebody black because obviously not all black anatomy very sure. It was different Yeah absolutely use nicknames instead which is what these were you know the Americans are probably quite different to how many witnesses of nicknames don't call them nicknames you can basically the n word the soldiers and. In Slaven Well possibly but many members of the certainly understood hate language they used to deny it for us but we did but we didn't but we taught them that language because the n word was that and we exported it to them the origins of it come from us not from the Americans as before well I think the roots of these are unless you know me I'm not sure about that no need good roots of that maybe in that in the way that it was excuse to describe somebody that was less than a human being he was from us I think and he gave us the kind of permission when I say us I mean clearly myself as a Brit gave us the permission to. Treat people like they were an equal human being can you know what I mean the only time the 1st time I heard Black applied to a human being was the black power movement remember yes yes those people with a club Yeah that was raised totally So it's like a Nazi salute you wouldn't say that once it was enough to see what you lot of people said it was at the time but anyway it was the difference here a parent saying Yeah and Tommy Smith and John Carlos was with the 2 guys away and there was a white guy who came 2nd to Tommy Smith and one of the 200 meters in the ninety's exact Mexico and then picks young Carlos came 3rd he got the bronze knows what God called Peace a Norman Australian guy who got the silver and in those days they were in the source of anti room under the stadium waiting to go up to here collect their medals and you know Peter Norman did know that these 2 guys were trying to plan and they were young you know these guys are like 2122 years old and they're trying to plan this protest which was a protest not a black power protests it was an anti poverty. Protests are right because the what they represented they represented the it was a human rights protests a crime in the name of the when I was 18 they represented but they had a badge say you know something about a limb pick athletes for human rights or whatever it was Peter Norman wanted to he only heard about it there were moments before they went up on the podium and he wanted to join in and give their support give them his support but they said look and go and you know no we're not succumbs would you like to. Have the badge bag so he's wear the badge process very thick and it changed his life you know he spent the rest of his life trying to improve things for. Despite the groups in society that are struggling and otherwise you know in the black community and elsewhere you know talking about the Olympics. But you're on a limb x. With him. Oh you be Jesse Owens Yes we won was it 4 medals Yeah he won the 102200 films won by 200 really for the 2 but 200 for no the long jump as well he won the lot of time Yeah well anyway it was what you reported at the time and refused to shake his hand when I learned this from Stephen Fry Ok if it wasn't the case and it wasn't the case accurately it was going to shake only the hands of Germans who had won medals and he was told he couldn't do that so you see I mean not to shake anybody's hands naturally just you know and said so the real discrimination came when he went back to America yeah president wouldn't shake his hand and I had a dinner in his owner and he couldn't even go in the front door you had to come in through the kitchen it was shocking was there a shock because there's a lot of people don't realize that discrimination like that carried on in America for a long long time and still exists I believe in some states and arguably here in the u.k. As well. Not that kind of discrimination maybe has been outlawed discrimination still carries I know not just you know black people there's all sorts of discrimination on here. And always will be to. I don't know I mean I try not to discriminate or be angry about things but I go around on my nobility screws and now. I don't listen I listen to other people's conversations or mobile phone conversations or whatever. You know it's also because your visible to a lot of people on the road yeah I don't you know in time screening here I listen to other people talking and I don't hear much English. Mainly white before but I come from all sorts of other countries. And I think to myself the English abroad they probably be I can exactly the same way that I'll together it lay out exactly because they think nobody can understand it but. Make it easy who is dying the wall caught me he said to me ones just once just for once I'd like to go to it is somebody speaking. It's getting that way but I have to kick myself and say no you can't think that you know these are human beings playful I'm sure most of them are you know you get good and bad amongst everyone I've tried to get myself up the ass for many years but never succeeded actually how did you know it's not possible I know it's an expression is this is the anybody what does. Your question and you are it's on let you know what screen wrote because I was aware screen wrote earlier today or yesterday as it was yeah you know you know black boy line of course I went to school a black boy late night so it was the black boy who is named after I have no idea I just fills me with a great irony each time I drive past. And tell people I went to school you know almost opposite the interest of black boy lines the Black Boy tough not anymore to be there. Whether it was a hotel for a while I would pass it over then I think the boarded up I think it was once it changed from the black boy probably to. The great cause something like that. Yeah I see change and strangely not grandmother used to run the street shop which was next door to it called the. Store. I must have been there and also apologize and I'm happy to recompense you know myself 8 years old I'll be surprised if I didn't examine. Me I'm sorry I'm sorry sorry I didn't know any better and I'm ashamed of it all today I'm completely a member of that from the time for 50 years and there was a big hanging sign outside you that's right that's right and it was a picture of the little picaninny yes say that. Shield and it's. Like took that down the post is still there but I take them someone down and then they put a picture of a black ball on the front yes yes and they still called it a black ball and you see they can now there's no saw and I've got black boys by thinking grazed in there in the stone on the front and somebody is even even trying to smash that to pieces because that was a plank ball is unacceptable if you went down to commercial the words black boy per say around except people but if people have memories of what you called a pickaninny And yes which is. To say the very least a. Caricature of a black person you know some sincere people may say it's in. Exaggerated caricature if you could have an exaggerated caricature without wrecking the putting and people take offense to that and if people have memories of that probably still think that's what because it isn't Prabhu saying black boy. Like offense and all sorts of things you know but I think if you put the colored boy. The burgeoning. Outlaw if you bust your. Little Boy you or other all those earlier said she considered it what they considered it lucky to see a black man is really what she learned Hillary you were saying that night I'm not sure about this I might be wrong but I believe that it was customary for a broad just to kiss or touch a black man but there weren't that many around and I think that probably. Changed into a chimney sweep. Which is a shame because it probably did the one black guy around. Could have gotten a lot of work you've been writing those days everyone where you do another if you go back a fair a fair time there were only a few black people I mean the most you can in the ports a little pool that went that many and they were very often highly regarded police Queen Victoria at lax you must remember that taught them in the days of your grandmother running that store it wasn't as black as many people might think it was why it was you know they didn't. And I don't think we need anything black why Will kids we didn't I mean going back back to the point you were making about. Fawlty Towers Yes You know there is one song which I won't sing it's very offensive and defensive towards. Blackbirds and I myself of and we sing it for love you know we was innocent an ignorant and what every Muzza and let me just off you might know is. Well let me just puts it and I'll put it in this way they would say something like. I'm changing the words around protect the innocent. What's the matzoh Dawson. Are you cheese doth. What's the matter Dawson Leach eased off. And things may be Ok in the morning then we just leave it. I did my best to disguise. My life depended upon. It so I loved the predator for the just because I tend to see things in terms of situation comedies and one of my favorites was yes minister Yes And I think it was before yes minister leader No Sir Paul Eddington was in that course and yes only told me the other turn aspect to that he was no station really t.d. Was well I didn't know that I was sent on a job to well Crean I wrote an empty shop and somebody had a right to choose more in party or something but I just felt so only that Paul and intern would be there and on one of these people if I see somebody and I don't know it's going to be there I don't recognise it and I thought I would recognise Pollington which is a great shame because I thought it was a terrific actor. He was a lovely bloke he was a Quaker you know and I have a lot of times the Quakers the Society of Friends thinking trayful and I was like him but I never spoke to him and you would not think you people because we went to school the bread thinking people and you know we should be very grateful for you know our share. And alumnus of our work I did last night school so you probably diverted their way they're going to catch up with the tornado and heaven I bet Feel free to go you know that David said it is with us. You could. Be on face furries rights and if you have a problem then it's not going to go away. If you ignore it you know and find the solutions or problem just by the tenets no. I don't understand the Nationals in a. Program that is highlighting the problem highlights and is a right with his fiance sad for those you don't know Beyonce dad suggested that if he's daughter beyond say the great pop star if his daughter was dark his skin she wouldn't have achieved as much as she has achieved in the music business arguably the point use trying to make is a wider point about the way people judge of the people in society by appearance and we all do it to a certain extent that we David do we know or will judge people by appearance and if you know how do we judge people how should we judge people if not by parents. Need to show us a lot I think he is saying that she is she she is not how it says and all things corporate is interesting point out there's no saying no she's not she's not famous because of a certain spin spies of a famous you know in his eyes she has talent said his office and is quite big of him to actually say that I'm an issue if you know about what Michael Jackson said said about this he actually gave a speech and Harlem a speech against Rice Rice is I'm not good yes and as you know that there was quite a long speech but you mind if I read out just a short of the power of decision if you were to say it said the minute I start to break in the old town the old summer echoed in Michael everyone who sells it had a park Elvis's or echoed bases or echoes the minute the kind old song best selling album of ticket or French it's fair album and the history of the Guinness Book of Records if it nights they call me a freak They call me I'm a satchel they call me a child molester they stay says basements can they made everything to turn the public against me and now he is if you read all of his speeches saying that innocent specifically because he is black and say entering the speech is essentially saying that the music industry and media in to entire industry it is. Racist Ok Ok Ok yes that's what he said in that way and you complain the media but ultimately is it not we you know all of us do we not all judge people the media's judgment would not carry weight if we didn't buy into judging people by their appearance and whatever else you say have many records mark which at some broke his appearance and I'm not defending anything but his appearance might be the way people saw him and the media just added the narrative to that appearance. Well he sets the agenda it was the public wants that's a good question Candice tree. Is exactly the right question if he I mean say culture for example itself is totally created by the populace or is it kosher you tell me what you think you know unlike my wife is it is not just mentioning that So when my 4 year old daughter said to me that she wished she had their lies I'm gone tat this is and should be peaceful and broke my should be a princess Yeah. You know I avoided I've always avoided all princes saying I voice it is me stuff I didn't but a spice addition it's not just it's not just your daughter because my daughters went through exactly the same thing they had to have a big parents meeting at my daughter's school because their friends their so-called friends white friends and said to them when they were you know 4 or 5 were ages these girls get into this princess things you can do Princes you know blah blah which is you know fool 2 fools or 5 year old. And personally I'm not that bothered about being on. Is another I won't you know Princess don't you know get over it wherever the black princess is fluid princes to govern. You know be like whatever it was form your own princess party or whatever it is you need to do buck I have to say I'm a bloke and you know it doesn't bother me blue book. And we judge people. Whichever way we want to say that's terrible we have to say we do exactly the same thing as the children who are judging people by parents do we not. Say this is not about being a pin a princess it's a shape and a princess with with them why because because I'm Monica is is what I mean that they know the feedback when it is in the hospital as we know it and we associate with. Basically what she was associated she was Association peachy with blond hair and Zack somebody was exactly that now like I said that's not something that should go off from a it's not a shit picture of him from school because she was and she was mean and Cisco. Careful about what she was some say so what did she get that from mom and I quote What about the books what about the books and she knows what about children's books . Because you know I said listen he's the most beautiful woman the you know I know and I'm a little sorry I knew what the answer is going to be she said Mom I said Exactly so look I walk on I was her eyes and I said I want to do a challenge and it is a problem and I want to know where where it comes from. If you haven't seen the black dog white girl experiment. Right go on the internet go on You Tube and it was an experiment that was done by a black psychologist in the forty's a firm in America and basically the experiment I actually did a subsequent experiment when an r.n. An Internet television company several years ago we did the that. In the modern context in the u.k. But they're there and we found a launching Lee exactly the same results exactly the same result 50 years apart or whatever it was the black gold white dog specimen has black children about the age of 5 or 6 or 7 series of them and they take it into a ring and given an option between choosing a black dog and a white doll and the shocking thing is not the most of them chose the white dog as being the prettier one. That's not the shocking thing that at the age of 5 or 6 or 7 that black children already institutionalized to say that the white blond haired blue eyed is a pretty good definition of beauty the shocking thing is to hear a black child of 4 or 5 or 6 say. I am ugly. And it's terribly sad. And I was just come from where this condition in this program and comes from. 'd the film says from the point of how it makes sense to talk about reggae most people who are not familiar with reggae any reggae artist I can I mean if someone is mixed race Yeah but honey but not yeah. Although he defined himself as black Yeah actually find some food in America the finest But you know obviously like far from Essex of in Scotland Scotland is from Scotland it's Ok so it's a family if you can even look a movie stars all of these things and Halle Berry is probably the most popular she's makes rice as well so it's just of the facts and there's nothing wrong with identifying the facts I'm walkin we did see change that well I would say To be fair Tony with most of crack on the skin actresses in Hollywood as well one point was only Halle Berry but I think well how did Barry I think is still the only black woman and I would describe it as a black woman because I said to her so bar to the point she's made makes no secret she's the only black woman to have won a woman of competition like to have won the Oscar for the leading lady in the film and that stands out and great for her probably too but until we ourselves could judge people like Dr Martin Luther King who's assess native 50 years ago this month like he said Mr President prays he said I'm too. Their children judge people judge by the content of their character. He says rather than the kind of this Kim But rather than any other would appearance really until they're judged by the content of their character. Or as his Imperial Majesty then provide the ice Alessi said in that famous speech the League of Nations that Bomani turns into a song called will understand I'm going to colors are exactly the color of a man's skin is of no loose significance in the color of his eyes then I think we've still got the problem that's what I personally think but other people have different opinions and I think it's a complex issue that all our opinions are valid on this one. Is there anything wrong with judging people by their parents yes essentially there is I want your answer any of them I made a really good point about music music that was so much for the Somehow people I need to look at the all time greats my life sure not going to compatable but now it's a paper comes to my thing all the trucks if our churches.

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