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Well let me tell you all morning she's all routines on the way she's in the house and she is a Mr Ranson is here good morning she's here with it was a Rebecca Rebecca woke up hello good morning hi so nice to see you both now I cannot manage to say this without it getting stuck in my throat This is a kind of lump in with right this idea that we have now appointed a minister for loneliness now I mean I'm sure you're going to say it's a good thing and much needed in the I did the actual title is so utterly poignant it kind of tugs the whole strings I remember in 76 when we had a minister for drought Dennys how it was all quite cheery really it didn't rain and he was minister of the drought and it did rain everyone gave him a big pat on the back and said well done and all of that that was seemed to be Celt so much more innocent kind of jolly time the idea of an minister for men only notice how much we also had a minister for disability Morris and if there is what then happens is they can go to every other government department and say Ok what are you doing about this in the case of disabled people it was about access and opportunity in the case of loneliness you know the Silver Line. Held a conference. About a year ago in which we said we called our conference loneliness tackling it together because that's the point about Lebanon as it's multi-pack Tauriel those people like to say it's a lot of different reasons I was associated with loss in older people it may be loss of a partner loss of a job loss of sight or hearing loss of mobility even loss of a driving license with the young people who bring Child Line sometimes it's the impact of social media constructing an artificial world where everybody else is having a wonderful time like loved you know doing all sorts of exciting things and they are the only one that's alone and of course one effect of bullying is to isolate the victim and my daughter Rebecca who is with us has talked to me about the loan of the she suffered when her 1st son was very new and she was taking him around playgrounds and spending her time with him but had nobody to talk to so there she'd be standing in the window rain with him having a wonderful time on the swings all round about and she'd be by herself because 6 months old although he was very advanced he couldn't really discuss the life that he was in the world and but there's a new phrase that everyone uses which is Ethel and I fear of missing out and that's become everyone's go to phrase in social media so I understand the loneliness thing from a new mother point of view I know of course Jo Cox is one of the precipitators is all of this the late Labor m.p. And she felt tremendously lonely when she arrived University and she was at Cambridge and she arrived there and she must have been thrilled to bits to got the place there and I was when I went there and sent off but with a good smile and a wave in a salad no cheese sandwich by everyone in the village kind of thing and then you arrive you don't know a soul nobody thinks You're the cleverest person in your school because they were all the cleverest person in their school and you were sitting in a little room or by yourself thinking oh my God I've never been so lonely in my like so it can happen today every stage every stage of your life and indeed universe is very often have student helpline. Through the night for young people who are going through a very tricky time in their lives all you know that cusp between teen years and real adult hood is very difficult to navigate and there you are as you say in a new community having been the pride and joy of your parents maybe your local community maybe your school who then you go into this new environment and suddenly you feel as you say desperately lonely so I'm really in favor of this new creation that the new minister below notice because I think that's a way of pulling all these threads together and saying actually we've now got to face the fact that with all the technology with all the wonderful discoveries and inventions of a modern time we've lost family we've lost community sometimes we've lost friendships you know what I put it down to there is this addiction to business everybody this is what the corners to the so long term at Christmas why were they not speaking to anyone but the Silver Line Yes when they had family when the had neighbors and the word they used was well they're so busy they've got their own family they've got their own work that to pay I don't want to be a burden so I think we have to stop being quite so busy and turn our attention to the recreate of the emotional support I must have had a phone call on the program before Christmas and then a lady called in and you know how some people just take to instantly you can't see them you don't look like what they're wearing but you just like them and this was a lovely color and she said she had been also remind me to Mike we can remember why she'd been us to a family for Christmas that one her family for some reason she bit she was on her own and for some reason they had Also I reckon it was because they liked it because I like to straight away as well and she was like well I've been asked you know and I'm and she said and I feel sorry embarrassed about going because I think I'm going to be a colossal burden to them I'm going to be really boring and you know they don't know me and I'm nervous and I'm shy and I'm and I think she was a little ashamed to have to be asked by people who didn't know the Christmas Day in . He said You know I reckon they're going to be absolutely delighted to have you you're right belting law for a start and 2nd you was to be stuck with their own miserable family anyway you should be a bit of light relief and you know you could be the referee when they they plunge into a family argument which everyone always does and you know and you'll be entertaining in diverting because you're not then you're someone you love it and she was caught you really think so when I said Yeah I really think so I mean I really think this idea that you know Roberton and people are going to be tragically bored to death by having to talk to someone they don't know is normal true is it people can't wait to talk to someone they don't know really if you just give the mill that the opening to do it the problem is that loneliness doesn't just affect you physically it affects you mentally and it erode self-confidence you know one of the things we do a Child Line is rebuild a child's self-esteem it's what we do at the Silver Line somebody said to me one of my callers said it's so lovely to talk to someone who seems to care what I think and with older people they're so used to being ignored you know even as I now have a new rule which it is if I'm posing an older person who is not making eye contact and you find very often they don't I will find a reason either to smile and then looking at me a tool or to say ghastly weather isn't it what about this wind or don't you look at it again because I now know that may be the only conversation they have that day you know the isolation of older people some old people I rang someone up and I want to depress you but I rang some up on Christmas day and said How are you and she said well I suppose I'm waiting to die or go on so that's really the creation of isolation of the fact that they don't feel valued they don't feel they have a part to play they don't feel lives worth living I mean people listening might think well it's all very well for day Mr Ranson it's you know she can speak to somebody in the street and say hello I love you that's all I got is an excellent form weekend Well well rounded amazing they go oh my God I'm us into rats and you'll go yes I. adèle Say Ah God What about those weekly vegetables and you'll say gone before you know it you've got a whole conversation going on why wouldn't you because you know you but they're not you what they are going to do that they may say the same applies to me people will want God openness and I'm like that and then you can have that chat you can kind of break the ice there is all of that going on when you're not day Mr Ranson and people don't recognize you they may really give you a weird look if you start talking about their Lutes does that happen to have been to me so she's told me this story before you say to people I've got some neighbors I'm slightly worried about yeah and there's one gentleman in particular and every morning I say good morning to him How are you isn't it cold or whatever it is and he thinks time. I'm worried about him mom's can't keep going keep going but he absolutely thinks who is this nutty woman with her 2 small children who are making a racket continuously talking to me why didn't she leave me alone when I was a few months that it he like. You know isn't it wonderful weather we're having. Going you don't know he thinks you're a lunatic you're in your head not him why you worried about why you want it I see him every day coming back with incredibly heavy shopping bags with this very very tattered puffa jacket hunched over with that terrible physicality that can happen and I and he's never with anybody every day he's doing this hard shopping slog up our very sweet and he's got someone there that is shopping for Otherwise why does he need so much shopping and well I've walked past his house which is further down from mine and I see him sitting in the window looking at the road so I've never seen him with anybody so I keep trying to talk to him. And I will keep trying regardless of whether I think he thinks I'm not. Some people say that because we had a great call yesterday actually after we spoke to the Minister for loneliness and this caller said. That she really really active in the community is one of these very outgoing gregarious people gifted with that personality I think she does line dancing. A lot of stuff and she's you know heavily involved in everything that's going on in her neighborhood and she said they had some trip planned and one very lonely individual was was in bagels into taking part in this and this person I let's use a you dish she fetched away ram which means really motivating them late at absolutely having She didn't like the view either way to get the Lake District or something like Look at this one of them had actually said there's nothing going on and I don't like it and she moaned and moaned the whole didn't like the coach she didn't like the lunch you know there was no one thing that she liked about this whole trip where my lovely color was loving everything and having a great time and everything and she said you know by the end it just all know one day you're lonely you know you're really really difficult to be around I went I was invited by the local council in London where I was living at the time to come to a Christmas lunch on Christmas Day for all the people who want having a Christmas lunch with their families that they were older people. I had been there about 30 seconds before I realized why it was. The potatoes were coat the turkey was tough has about sprouts Why am I being put in this chair it was hilarious and I do think we'll the people I speak for myself here at the age of 77 we have to be good company too I mean we have a slight obligation to enjoy life if we possibly can but you do get out of practice I do think that's up to you writing practice is a big deal because because said he so he told people remember this about my own grandma or actually you know she spent quite a lot of time alone you know that when you finally have someone to talk to it can all come pouring out and once you do to read Gosh of stuff in the person just thinking oh my God I do you know I don't I this is too much information I didn't know when I meant to respond you know I'm really sorry about your mum Bago and you've got a you've got a leak in your look but I don't you know I've only just met you there is a bit of that going on isn't there sometimes anyway so I would say to your lovely list do not forget to 804708098047898047890 you've heard better singers on that on your show but it is a way of getting people to remember it yeah because when the Silver Line helpline is open 247 really wanting to hear from people let it all hang out tell us about your lumber go tell us about your leaking roof because actually we've got a group of lovely people in Blackpool who are only there because they want to listen and we've also got solar wind volunteer friends who ring people on a regular basis if you like it and that becomes a real friendship and I think that is a very practical way of taking that 1st step to linking someone who may have a loss of self-confidence back to the idea that they're really good company yes it's very very difficult to instill in somebody who's alone a lot of the time much sense of self esteem isn't it because you know when you are alone for a long time your thoughts can really run away with you and you can start to feel awfully kind of. Miserable and also lucky you know to me as I'm in feeling just like the person you spoke to said I'm just waiting to die there's nothing happening . I must say I was inspired by a couple of things in the last few weeks one was that wonderful television programme The old age home for 3 year olds and for you or did you see that I had someone modest Yeah and on Monday night I went to the dinner for the night to raise money for Nightingale house which is a Jewish old age home in London he said on that where they have a nursery school in the grounds of the of the old age. And it's called the milk and honey nursery and I was hearing all these tales about very elderly residents and they got lots of reasons over a 100 years old. And the very elderly residents and these very young children often to be seen walking hand in and around the grounds chatting away about whatever it is and that seems to me to be the way forward doesn't it that kind of mixing of generations your grandmother I'm a grandmother kind of Rebecca who sitting here has given me the best presents of my life yes her grandson not her sons my grandson and there is a real relationship although I don't know about you but Becca is actually from time to time a little sense or just look at the lessers bag got a picture of her beautiful grandchildren now going to have to get one so now gorgeous here that I take that everywhere but do you misbehave because I miss you I say it's not fair to ask when they make us do this and that so that my grandbabies can say yes it's not fair to us when they both us or rather make us do this is of course I misbehave so you blame them that's gone and I don't really have a mic growing up who won't let us including me do the stuff we want to do like play was make it stick 8 instigates the notion as it all comes from her he'll comes you know parading down the stairs with a 6 inch nail to show me it is not just a 6 inch now but it was in the tire of her car for about 5 months so it's filthy and he said look it's really show Ok my equivalent to that is and I put on my winter coat and I thought well if he had one it's also and found in the pocket a paper napkin with a sausage and old. In it and of course showed the grandchildren how old do you think this also does or should I. It was like deal with it why is it in my pocket that a similar thing to me walking around with an ancient which one bite of which could obviously kill them but without that kind of thing yeah marriage children is a responsibility to corrupt our grandchildren exactly so their children in the area where I live who are all getting stung by stinging nettles because Esta think she has taught them all these you have to I don't know if it really are so great and then it won't sting you know they don't know that that's not a little guy this is what you told me to do it's all about building and managing risk isn't there yes you know if they don't know which end of a nail is the shop when they want to hold it here I think you can describe that we see something we should set up some courses in this in risk taking grab parents and definitely now I'm here with a Mr Johnson the daughter Rebecca Wilcox they hear poet be talking about loneliness of course because of the appointment of the new minister but also because they're about to hit the road to to them again or can imagine what that's going to be like all sorts it's going to be absolutely disgraceful and they will tell us more after this trial b.b.c. 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You still like it you still love it right but it's it's a wonderful way of communicating I think you know I I'm particularly fond of radio because I started in radio but television too you know has got a tremendous crackle of excitement about him and it does. Makes you laugh makes you think makes you cry so all the moments sort of the most embarrassing in my career she's going to ask me about I think I do have you talked in advance about what it is that you're going to ask and agreed your mother doesn't mind the answering the questions or you going to shock and pull her life on stage in these different and I'd love to shock in a pool have I'm not sure anything does these days I we had we had a long conversation and she was ever so. When I was interviewing her she went Oh you look at you professionally on the street was smothered to the nth degree but she has said the only 2 things she will not talk about sex and Breck's it. A sex that as we now call it was pretty that's going to the 1st question man who breaks it yes x. To tell me all about the over the I mean you paid you have have sort of co-written or kind of adversary written very solid schools together in the Daily Mail recently in which some quite sort of soul baring kind of quite poignant stuff isn't much one of them is about cooking Christmas in about one of them was about having a working mother and what it was like as you watch to go to work in the morning and how how you children felt and how you felt about it to do are you going to be asking kind of quite searching things like that because it could be a way to work out many can deep family issues right on the stage in front of a paying audience now here's a thought Imagine if after the 1st show or 2 we're no longer on speaking to I can't imagine why I'm asking I mean no think that's a lot of professional partnerships actually that they don't talk to each other of these days but all that members travel separately that what you don't share the car there that you are yes they have is a Boy's Own always went to the gate separately I know this for a fact really yes but all the bands that have endured that's one of the ways what about Morcombe and wise they must want a polite but not necessarily friendly they didn't perhaps mix in the same so you know you know you truly you are mother and daughter that's going to be Orks isn't it you know really I think not because the great thing is from the moment she appeared from my womb. But it's really great you were at her wedding yes I will and you heard my speech I did and you heard how I barrister in the 1st center completely by talking about her conception Yes yes I do not in detail. Enough detail to say to people that I was basically Greek because that's where I went conciliated Yeah yeah so the thing is from that one not quite that moment but from the moment I saw her she has been able to make me laugh and I do occasionally make her laugh and it does please us very much so as well as making our audiences laugh we're talking dogs and. Me being arrested for handing out but still and such memory is yes and telling the truth about back when. Is the truth about handedness and you've been in the show you know that it's about I can say that was 10 years ago I don't think I'm going to give away the punch line certainly not because it's your say but tell me though about some quite because all those all obviously all intimate relationships have kinds of kind of deep and sometimes he didn't kind of size them and he did write quite kind of. So do you need an a because Dickie about about what it was like when your when your mom was always working every day when you were so young when you talk about that and how do you really feel about that not yet I'm certainly we'll talk about that and let me tell you the truth about that article which I've got in the neck from everybody you're grateful door to you it was her idea she said you know what I feel guilty about this maybe you should write down just what in the article you said you didn't read you would do it again given the choice you do it all over again exactly the same I think life pushed me I mean that is obviously a cop out isn't it yes I had to I mean I was I wasn't shackled to the television camera but live definitely pushed me in that direction and I tried to put in what I coud to you know lovely man is who brought them into me and I was breastfeeding in the office much to the consternation of the you know dinosaur men in the b.b.c. Of the time and so on. But I've watched her now she has been a full time mom for the 1st couple of years of her sons in law and the input they've had from her husband immense So in my day when I was you know one of the pioneering women who wanted to have it all yet we were told rightly or wrongly I suspect wrongly that what mattered was quality time not quantity time you could do as much with your children in 5 minutes as you could in 5 hours no that's not the case particularly if you're falling asleep on the sofa or that's exactly what the article said you said that when your mom finally came back on your dad they were saying exhausted that for the whole weekend they would be kind of probably one eyelid. Well actually trying to sleep everything off on the on the couch and did you feel stung when you read that no absolutely not I thought I think the relationship is about honesty and I think that I would prefer to tell the truth partly because I think it's important for her generation to learn from my generation you know we didn't get it always right over time and of course I said it to have fast before I wrote it in a national newspaper that would just be terrible to go undermining Here you go like she may have done to me in the past by appearing in Page 3 very little on that was hysterical piece are you very often the son. I will tell you promise not to I will say I will write a word and I thought it was something else yeah I think I was in my fifty's Ok You know interesting age and somebody from a magazine came to me on the phone and said would you do a fashion spread for us now in my youth and prime women who were given opportunities as a journalist to don't do fashion spreads because we want to be taken seriously however when you're 50 you're less interested in being taken seriously and you think to yourself well this may be the last time I ever asked to do this and maybe they got a nice little thing you know Chanel suit or something something not so I say Ok so I go. So I go to the studio and all they've got is a pair of fish net ties and some wisps of black shifts truth I had the choice at that point when I said yes stay or go right Ok Yes Guess which I did definitely state obviously death and I know you of course you stay so I did all of the discreet poses and then the photographer said it was great. If you sit on this table throw your legs in the I'm like I was not face on camera goodness it was not a croc shot oh it was a micro fire shot don't visualize it too bad I'm going Oh my goodness me quite Yeah I was in private about my my legs fish net legs were in the air and the ship was flying anyway so I said that was too painful I won't do that again so then I got a call from the Daily Mail. Other newspapers are available and journalists and we've been sent some rather interesting photographs of us I don't know what he said we're not wearing much I said no so as it was it looked like he said well that's unusual. So there's nothing I can do about it. So your enemy is you phone your children and say this might be happening I was working in Belfast Airport on i t v documentary and I opened the newspaper at 6 am that morning and there she was with her legs in the ad not wearing any chiffon that I could see and it was a new door you well you know you could see because you see you wouldn't see much you see quite a lot of. Well what do you think you'd ever do you think this is my mum isn't she great she's up for it she's fond took a long time to take you to actually it was my brother on the phone going what mother was always at home cooking a chicken how boring was that so you know just respect my like you know but I mean you know if I did they would see my mother in fish and I probably would have thought Oh Glory Hallelujah she's having fun and she's there and she's you know she's not showing up a few experiences this is going to be you know the sequel to this more is the Daily Mail other newspapers are definitely available decided that this was quite good news because they had done some very dull interviews of my children for no particular reason suddenly they had a reason that I write them a lot the daughters may I say it would delightful and supportive in the way you suggest trained in press of course the son. Joshua will go what does he say right this is a measure of his journalistic instinct which I think he must have been heritage from his late father. The Daily Mail said to my son Joshua why do you think about that picture which he hadn't seen my fax to him and. Remember faxes and. And he said what would you editor like me to think. Like all the headline read oh god what have you done and there was a picture of him looking me moody and you know dramatically certainly right that the belief I am all right so I should say that you are hitting the road you to the tour is called that's life you're going to be appearing on the 21st in the tab of the ETR in London that will someday that this Sunday where is he going to be quite near us here in London we've got scintilla until the end zone on the 14th of June Henley is June the 2nd one we've got Leicester Square the list is great theater November I hope you have a wonderful time together I know you will and if people want to get in get get hold of some tickets which they did they should go to Dame Esther Rantzen dot com and look for the links on Ok keep smiling keep friendly you 2 don't allow a day Mr Ranson had old Rebecca Wilcox hitting the raisin that's life we'll be back if you will at least I will after the news headlines. Good morning the company that manages a privately owned tower block in Croydon is going to try Buno next month to determine who should pay for replacing the cladding after it failed the safety tests ordered by the government after the fire at Grunfeld towers 1st poor property services has told the people who live in the 95 flats in cityscape they'll have to foot the bill which has gone up from around 500000 pounds to almost 2000000 Brisson will commit to taking more migrants from Kalai and pledge almost 45000000 pounds for better fencing cameras and body scanners at the Channel ports went to reason may meet President Emanuel macro on the softer noone but the former Ukip leader Nigel Farage says Mr macron is blackmailing Britain to take more refugees in return for backing a Brics a trade deal a charity says families are having to subsidise the government's flagship childcare scheme because many nurseries and to. 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Thanks Matthews you heard on the news the winds are easing and some services are getting back to normal the overground is running at the Underground rather is running well but crowd control measures are in place at stations being advised Gates I think the underground ferry of a crowded particular northern Victoria lines following earlier problems this morning over ground still suspended between once a thread Clapton junction severe delays Kutner junction Richmond and struck 37 trains the line between ox and not feel blocked for the 2nd time this warning by 2nd fallen tree and destruction continues on services far Pearlie in East Grinstead southwestern railway service is still suspended been given I haven't disruption services between open an old shot and services also suspended I think in Junction and Surbiton southeastern changed as their service been Hasan Ladywell because of that he counted train that you heard about on the news create a Anglia truck to between the street in East Anglia and also affected a t f l c 2 c. 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Radio London's back for stay with me Vanessa Feltz we're talking about loneliness why because 9000000 people in lonely they're not all old they're not all young they're not all children they're not all teenagers and of all disabled and not all suffering from mental health issues they're just simply almost everybody seems to fall into the bracket of could be absolutely devastatingly lonely there's an interesting piece in the paper about this actually by Bel Mooney woman the Belle Mooney She's the agony aunt the writer and she says a minister of the lane is all well and good but it's families who really need to start caring scuse me happy says like this the irony is too glaring to ignore we live in a world of 24 hour media in which billions of people spend countless hours each day tapping away at social media and texting friends yet $9000000.00 people live in miserable isolation in lonely Britain and 200000 elderly people go for weeks without talking to a soul so appalling is the situation the government's appointed m.p. Tracey Krauts. To be minister for loneliness she says there's no doubt that it is a social plague and it affects absolutely everybody but she also says this she says for more than 12 years I've been writing an advice column and receiving thousands of lashes which is how I know it's impossible for the government to legislate to make people happier in 2007 I got this I write this recently I've come to see loneliness is a great modern to boot in this world of frenetic communication more and more people feel there is nobody who wants to communicate with them as a meaningful level she says 2 things keep cropping up loneliness within an unhappy marriage and then in this off to divorce and the terrible isolation of elderly people whose family just don't bother and then she also self why do sons not bother why our grandparents left out in the cold and she urges families to start to take some kind of responsibility for for the loneliness that surrounds all of us let's go to an er on the line in top players I want a good morning. Morning after morning the Baca Yeah they've just gone actually they were here for the 1st bit to tell me about loneliness and editing and you know I think the now really only I had when she used the word visiting a family impact to have only elderly in our society. Actually who wanted by cool but quite a couple of basic I've been at the when you were discussing the crisis thing Carol the elderly and I just remember very distinctly a chap called in about his mother and he couldn't offensively to criticise the local council and the lack of help for his elderly and disabled mother. He went on to describe how his mother didn't have the ability to get in and out of battle yes I remember that yes is it reduced to being in a chair Yes and sleeping in a chair all night. Ima stay in close to cheapen in the week and he don't that I was really sad to leave him that day yes and he also went on to describe how she. Was a wonderful mother how she'd made sacrifices for her children how all the children had gone on to do well because of the home she created and yet he was able to walk out of the door and leave his mother in that state and I thought how much must she have felt how must this wonderful mother have felt that the son who I'm sure she'll out with all her heart was walking out the door and leaving her to sit in that chair in squalor he described at to sit through Latham only really dark and lonely night on her own and I thought shame on him and shame on his siblings that they couldn't put their petty differences aside and work out time to ensure that their wonderful mother when she needed them most. Used to sitting in squalor in a chair all night on her own how frightened and lonely she must have felt yes over 4 and I thought to myself you know if that's located not to that extreme but as we know as we've heard from Esther this morning which with so the line and as we've heard with in ever the perennial depressing report about you know the position of care for the elderly how poor it is as a society which we really grew up with this question about how our attitudes to the elderly and how we treat the elderly. As well merely said in that piece you know we have to start taking responsibility for our elderly relatives and it's a very sad state of affairs when an elderly mother or father has to phone a stranger it's over the line because they don't think they're going to get a warm reception from their own some water. Yes and no I mean you know there are so many reasons why the fabric of families can fall apart it could be that this elderly relative sitting looking you need defenses and in this terrible position sitting in a chair has actually been a very difficult parent and has been you know cantankerous and uncle Well uncooperative or you know what what we know where history's I don't know when it not be that you know that the children are working adult children walking full time walking out of the country out of the city have very young children have different dependents you know you don't know it's not all that every single elderly person is lame is a saint in a wonderful person and their family of neglected and betrayed them is it far from it really no no I wouldn't expect somebody who had no relationship to with a parent because quite frankly they were terrible parents to drop everything and devote their lives to caring for her in a coup that completely unreasonable but there was a great many and wonderful parents in this country and many of them are being neglected by their families and I think. You know let's let. The families who do have good parents who have had good relationships with their parents. You know I mean that you know this is a see an excellent starting point and that's pretty much what Bellman is saying in have piece this morning some Opi older people officially independent and with 2 or 3 days staying with you have a Christmas or Easter they're desperate to get him to the creature comforts but that doesn't mean we shouldn't stay in touch she says ultimately most people fail to find by relationships but unless we work on them consider how we speak to our loved ones however a up our children how we treat our friends etc etc I pretty much exactly what you were saying so and I thank you very much indeed let's go to Sally who's on the line in Balam Alice Sally Mooney. Right thank you you bring a different angle on this Yes I mean obviously it's an issue that is also people sadly in the Stone Age but the particular angle I want to bring up with the . I do with all the lesbian gay and trans people in on the $1000000.00 London which is a charity that oversees tries to try and break down the slowness to a range of sort of befriending and social opportunities but I suppose because people don't necessarily think of specific sexual sexual orientation or gender identity being an issue but it obviously does bring up particular particular problems I mean more lesbian gay people are more likely to be single less likely to have children and family networks and I suppose also have lived in a generation where oversea they've been criminalized and face quite a lot of prejudice and discrimination which makes perhaps them feel less safe in terms of making contacts with people because of some of the experiences they've had through the generation y. Obviously there was a lot less acceptance of lesbian gay and trans people. And we've certainly found that in our work at it until slums and then I'm not just setting up a cafe for people with dementia is all that's been ngayon of obviously there's an additional. Additional doubles I am of that in terms of the isolation experienced by people with dementia as well as obviously feeling. Different because of because of sexuality or gender identity through time goodness you know I think when when when you discuss lesbian gay and transgender politics in situations and issues and problems I don't think we very often or even if ever heard about what it's like to grow old to be old to have had that kind of history and to feel isolated and maybe mistrusting more cynical or whatever the result of it to be anyone's ever mentioned on the program before under Boomer the mission is one I'd love to talk to move about so in other context but it is I suppose it's because the generation that before $67.00 men were obviously criminalized many older lesbian women lost their job because that children in custody battles you know there's a quite a history that in a sense shapes how you feel about. Trusting your neighbors I mean some of the older people I've worked with have had you know. Dog excrement put through that tools and all sorts of horrible experience and does not I don't anymore right still happening you know I mean recently is the villain or for a lot of. Prejudice out then you don't think London is an open city but some so I suppose that means that people are less likely to go to metals and feel ready to trust people and exist in the program I talked about community is there such a thing to people believe in it is it is it an entity that affects their lives that they feel part of woven into or is it something they think is completely fictional notional when not aware of it and I wonder whether you feel or think Sally that there's a gay lesbian or trans community that you can be part of you can be an activist you can you know you can you can you can buy into it and be heard seen and knowledge in the part of it or whether funneled to people there's no such thing you know I think there definitely is and. Sometimes the cross between the generations can be an issue that you sort of younger lesbian gay community perhaps again could be doing more to reach out to the older people but I think it was London's work has definitely it's sort of seen a a sense of arriving in a sense of a family I mean with the 1st train the cafe that I ran for people with dementia one of the gay men in the group said I feel like as. You know I've arrived home in this group because I can be here with my partner. And feel completely safe to talk about the experience of dimentia and in their relationship without actually having to. In a sense censor themselves and some more general group so I think into a social opportunities with films and walks and all sorts of creative activities I think people do feel a sense of belonging again which is what many good charities in London they're trying to do to get that sense of community back and how much news is it to you that it may mean this has become an epidemic and that we now have this minister keeping with Lenny ness and how much of it is is something you've known all along and. Deny today is finally being my single a portion from it's depressing as he said at the beginning of the program that we need it and people experience loneliness and you know even when you're in a big crowd I mean I work in cash games a lot for older people and there are many many older people living in care homes who are in it you know sitting in a lounge full of people that still experience huge loneliness so it's not necessarily about literally being physically alone it's about that sense in yourself that no one is really interested in you and it's something that yeah drives my work for the last 30 is really that different kinds of loneliness but one thing we had all the little things Esther and we had also said just by taking a moment to stop and sort of the neighbor or somebody in the show for whatever it is because it might be the only time they have had that kind of contact with the things that seems to be emerging from this I didn't know whether you were taking the same message away whether it's a message that you that you're giving to the people you deal with in that you're helping is is you know if you cannot think right what can I do for myself but you can think how can I get involved with other people is there anything I could do for someone else very often some sense of belonging and self-worth and a steam and all that good stuff not to mention people that you quite like that you can chat to can stem from that because who was I talking to the other day about this and they said they said you know you may think oh well i feel lonely I feel sad what do I do was like going to my head and I should have a bubble bath I should eat a piece of cake I should do something to treat myself but that won't make you feel better somehow it's getting involved not thinking about what can I do for myself but thinking the other way around what do you think that's true but I think it is true I think many many deals people I talk to say that actually one of things they miss is being able to still be able to contribute themselves which is why things like Nightingale Hi such I know you've got involved with recently there's a sense of reciprocity there that it's the older people giving to the younger people as well as the children giving to to old people I think you know that the change or Christmas is also children going in to sing for the old people it gives a very one way. Street thing that we need to make sure that some actually a sense of giving many many people as they age miss out on nice to see will happen and that's as you say a way of getting involved in lots of community projects whether it's seen a volunteer in an Oxfam shop or. Or perhaps doing simple friending I mean many of all it meant was London volunteers old people and so you in a sense sometimes might be older than the people that they're visiting that it's giving them something as well that volunteering actually is part of that you know their way of alleviating isolation for themselves as well great to talk to Sally thank you very much indeed Sally raising the issue of what it's like to be a growing older in the lesbian gay community what trans community is certain sense of loneliness pervades you may well have lost contact with your family many years ago you may well have experienced all sorts of bigotry and discrimination if what you feel on the outside ostracized even if things have changed the younger generation not the same for you maybe you can't sort of ever feel that you have much trust in in the wider world I don't know if that's was a choice you could always give us a cool 020072 see 40000 and what we can see now is take a trail and then find out what's coming up on Robert said today this is London to make a case to bring you top stories in 28 the. Second was the love of Virgin. Can satisfy. That's why class. Islam to peace is radiate. The joys me higher over the last there is this whole loneliness thing I wanted to mum to see to I'm excited you basically loved hanging out with her and so she was really really a long time with this yeah very very very good company so she didn't want for company any honest work towards the end of a life she did she found the might slowly she say said Oh yeah yeah I mean not only in the last couple of You mean this is going on. I mean the night something she did she would wake up in the night because I think you know as you get older you sleep less and less and she would obviously you got no company at 2 o'clock in the morning and she would wake up and be in on her own in the home she'd get anxious and she'd feel lonely and but that was very much it towards the very end of her life there wasn't you know the last 10 years 8 years only now that she really didn't suffer from loneliness because she had so many she was I mean you know not everyone can be spouting company but she was she genuinely was so there were people queuing up to go in Syria who want to stay because they loved it here after but it's clearly you know clearly we do really more atavistic is that the right word more more individual lives that we were we further distances from our families when we lose friends along the way people move out people go through the whole thing of having people in to eat people going right off that well yeah you know people used to be yes to be in and out of each other's house yabby as bag ball at most roast on Sunday whatever it was and now you hear people say we got a color man the last time I cooked for any We see that nobody in case so important that's one of the things that you know my wife is adamant about when we 1st start a family that we would eat together and we still do yeah I mean a bit less because kids have got jobs in their y. And there are whatever but if you're in the house at 6 o'clock 7 o'clock in the evening we see the government being that's what you do and I think that is really important as you get older I also do think that my wife was talking about this this morning the you have to work harder as you get older to keep friendships going because you know I think people are often very distant they say we're like we can see you all made the seventy's it was January but you know my wife is almost kind of fanatical about this almost I would say 3 days a week at least she makes time to see friends and if it involves getting 2 buses she'll go and get 2 buses to go and see that person lives in Brantford or that person is or than me up in town for tea and go to a gallery which is what she likes to she does it all the time and so I do think I think it's a 2 way process you after you have to work hard at it and also the people around you have to put in some effort and I think you know. It does worry me it worries me that you know it's my wedding anniversary today Tracy or you know well you know me but I'm very unlucky today you know I love that stuff but if I you know if I lost my wife or my wife lost me at some stage in the next 1020 years of our journey together what happens then I don't know I mean I've got lots of friends but you know one lives in Coolmore Now I'm wondering you know I mean it's kind of it's difficult whereas I'm not having with it well when I was I went through a divorce yes all of that but I was at the other thing with the current other half where you know he went off on tour I was performing in far away for 2 and a half weeks or something and I found I ripped through the friends in about 5 seconds yes you know I'd like to this is that one t. With this one that when you can't do it you can say well you know I had I saw you last week I see for lunch this week and I've already done it you can't keep doing it in you know however many people are friendly with you kind of you almost You've almost kind of run through so think that being alone can become almost a kind of so fulfilling prophecy because you get quite good being alone and so you build these kind of defenses around just self to kind of insulate your loneliness if you like and you start to like your own company which means that you like other people's company less and you start to think well do I really want to see them I'm quite happy sitting here with a book called watching it on the telly or whatever is I do have an afternoon or evening that but no why no or some and I think that can be a problem as well because it does involve seeing other people involved and if yes making the arrangement yelling making everything getting out you know me being bored off Wait are you going to just about talking about it Bunyan's let me know but it's true isn't it and if you know other people are not hell but they can occasionally feel like it but it is a bit weird that when you don't see people very often and when people put their best foot forward you have these quite in authentic meetings where you do it with old friends yet where they say if things fine if that's great and it's all terrific and you're quite sure it's probably not a pretty crumbling just as you yourself are crumbling so you feel you've got to keep your end up as well you know where I'm just grateful fabulous then you go home and you think what was the point of that no one said anything that was genuine anyway that's why I think you have to. Keep friendships up because if you let them like too long they become kind of artificial as a formal kind if your life seen you once they see us and I want to thank you. And on the other hand kind of kind of you know do what you used to do what we kids are going to be loitering about together in a particular reason that doesn't seem to be a thing that grownups do does it say what I do or I'm Not Doing It was wondering dry January and it would be too tempting every other Friday and it's become kind of very much a pattern now every other Friday I go after the show I go into my bike here I walk in and I go to the Blue Posts are got a couple of record shops I got a different chest and just see who's a bell and. You know I mean most of the time I'll see Suggs also use another of Chris Sullivan or c n n not bump into someone I might not have seen and I just do that and I have conversations in. A desperate woman looking for mites but it actually works and keeps these things. Going over this exit as well one of my All right Jason Sullivan is coming in is one of my old make sacked Leo young mate but he's younger than I guess so he's got more energy I can see films and we have so he says loads of a so he's going to come in and tell us about the latest movies that are going to be joined by Jonathan Sanger who produced The Elephant Man one of the classic yams and has a big screening of that at the n.f.t. About the Elephant Man So we're going to talk about that so that's the sort of cinema section then we've got the theater section there's a play out called The clain which shows the story of someone making an asylum claim and this is on showed it to town hall and we've got we've got the director of that Mark Morgan coming in we've got a singer called Yasmin Lacy who's been coming up in Hoxton Square and she's coming in to perform live and then we've got the musical slots we've got to add a little attractor London playlist and today we've been very specific We've got a song from a great London musical right so it could be a song from all of our city is this a there you go there's a scary strong contender you go to pick up a girl to. Come from My Fair Lady homie Mike any one of them ran both War Oh exactly one of the. Write songs from one of the great lawn the movie musical story we're going to read one of those today to the Muslim playlist so that's our aim with that and then our cover to cover is the Rolling Stone song when I think of it as a Rolling Stones song I want sing time is on my saw Ok No it won't sing it either but yes the original was Thomas a brilliant song version so is it going to be on the Thomas or is it going to be the stones we've got to decide so that's what we're doing today looking forward to it thank you very much indeed this is from Alan who says I can understand if this was 980 not 28 he never has a phone or 3 Why then did people stay in touch I'm not British so maybe I don't understand how people can just leave their relative alone when they were on the streets I also feel the government involves itself too much in families making people feel it's the state's job to deal with it thanks everybody for joining the program today thanks to the team Gemma producing Jessie McGinn the phones over driving the desk that we have a fabulous day and I will see you tomorrow morning lots of love bye bye. 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