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Needed to residents will be evacuated from flats in southern gas safety fears does not Council issued letters to people living in let me towers following investigations carried out after the Grenfell tower fire that's with me after the news. On digital radio and t.v. On the $94.00 m. Fund raising stands in. The radio and. London's News of 7 and Matthew Schofield hundreds of residents in 4 tower blocks in Peckham face having to move out of their flats after structural problems were found during a survey ordered in the wake of the fire at Grunfeld tower so the council says cracks were found in the walls of the lead Bria state leaving it vulnerable to collapse in the event of a gas explosion councillor Stephanie Cryan says they've written to residents in almost 250 flats setting out their options spare will be some inconvenience but we want to try and minimise that as much as possible so we want people to who want to be out stay in that flat so we haven't cut the gas supply off we all supply hot plates to those people who want them we have had a process since we found out there was an issue with the cracks in the building that anybody who wants to me that we will find accommodation for them will b.b.c. Radio London's Jason roll some is on the estate this morning I'm hearing that residents have been complaining about cracking and problems in the building for a very long time I've spoken to a couple this morning just going out on their way to work they said they didn't even know about it there was another woman who said she got the letter but she doesn't seem to realise that she will be evacuated she seems to think that should be able to stay inside the blocks a bit of confusion here this morning at liberty towers in Peckham just of the wrote the body that regulates charities says less than 3000000 pounds of the nearly 90000000 that was raised after the Grunfeld tower fire has been distributed so far there's growing anger in North Kensington West. Some people have accused charities of not being completely transparent but the B.B.C.'s Frankie McCann Lee says charities want to work with survivors and victims' families to discuss how the remaining funds should be spent long term the terraces Commission does say that there were some initial teething problems they weren't able to identify some of the people who needed this money they also said that some people still haven't yet come forward maybe because they're traumatized and they want to respect that it also said it doesn't need to look at a long term plan and that's what some of the charities are doing the holding some money back and they want to speak to the local community today and plan for the future President Trump has warned North Korea it should be very very nervous if it does anything to the United States it comes off to Pyongyang announced it has a plan to fire for ballistic missiles towards the u.s. Territory of Guam in the western Pacific but the u.s. Defense Secretary James Mattis has warned armed conflict with North Korea would be catastrophic and he insists diplomacy is bearing fruit right now you can see the American effort is diplomatically led it has diplomatic traction it is gaining diplomatic resolve and I want to stay right there right now the tragedy of war as well enough known it doesn't need another characterization beyond the fact that it would be catastrophic here a former head of m I 5 has warned the Islamist terror threat facing Britain could persist for another 20 or 30 years Lord Evans has also told the b.b.c. Russia is likely to be trying to interfere in the U.K.'s democracy all slaughterhouses would have to install closed circuit television as part of government plans to monitor animal welfare the environment secretary Michael Gove says the proposals would make the u.k. a Global leader on animal welfare animal charities of welcome the proposals shorn when slee is from the British Veterinary Association decides he wants animals that we it's a happy. Life and humane that's really important and to achieve the latter that needs to be a culture of compassion and slaughterhouses that leaves the calm and Marian's way to help foster that but mandatory c.c.t.v. Is an essential enforcement tool there's been a 14 percent rise in the number of people who've switched electricity supplies so far this year compared with the same period last year the industry says 3000000 customers have found cheaper deals but they're still in the minority with 2 thirds still on the most expensive tariffs in sport Premier League football is back tonight it's all snow who kicked off the new season against the 2016 Champions Leicester at the Emirates a new and Blake says he feels like he let the nation down after he just missed out on a medal in the men's 200 meters at the World Athletics Championships now his Lucy Martin with London's weather joined bright start to the day today with plenty of sunshine around this morning will tend to see the cloud increasing as he made into the afternoon that cuts of our next weather from this pushing in from the Northwest is going to bring some cloud and some showery outbreaks of rain into this evening temperatures today reaching a maximum of 22 degrees Celsius they start to see the breeze picking up with that front as a race receiving an overnight then a fair amount of cloud some shower outbreaks of light rain and drizzle overnight lows of 14 degrees Celsius f. And cloudy start the day tomorrow 1st thing you could see when a t. Spits and spots a drizzle but that clouds thinning and breaking to off some gets sunshine just the outside chance of an isolated shower with highs of 20 degrees Celsius b.b.c. Radio London it's 5 past 7. As in London is right for show on London's radio station weekday mornings from 7 b.b.c. Radio. Hundreds of residents in southern Cal been told they'll have to leave their homes if it gets safety fears for tower blocks in Peckham be evacuated up to structural problems with plan during a survey ordered in the wake of the fire at a rental so the council says. Cracks were found in the walls in every state leaving it vulnerable to collapse in the event of a gas explosion Jason Muslims had this morning last night the council issued letters to 240 flats here let free towers explaining the gas on board supplies. Leaving them unable to cook with no hot water or eating Also this morning go to walk on an egg would you dare to crack a few W.OK's in the frying pan this morning up to 700000 contaminated eggs have been imported from the Netherlands officials insist there's no need to worry about eating eggs in supermarkets across the u.k. Have taken some salads and sandwiches off sale as a precaution the Dutch eggs were contaminated by pesticides unfit for human consumption and how did it end up in the food chain do you feel confident eating eggs Oreck products today there are calls for summit into how the contamination occurred and I'll be speaking on the program to the Crown Prosecution Service about acid attacks in London the c.p.s. Published guidance last month on sentencing for those involved in the acid attacks this is part of a wider review of guidance on offensive weapons acid attacks and knives 872242000. Good morning lovely Miss now welcome to b.b.c. Radio London's record breaking breakfast show I'm in s.f. Else it's 7 minutes past 7 on Friday the 11th of August I bid you a very fond and cordial good morning as I always do I'm delighted that you've chosen us here on b.b.c. Radio London this morning to inform you of London's breaking stories what's going on in the capital Well we'll tell you and you know I do this is fast as I possibly can say the top story today is potential evacuation for hundreds of residents in Suffolk I mean this is a quite remarkable story hundreds of people who live in 4 tower blocks in Peckham have been told they will have to move out of the structural problems were found a survey that was ordered in the wake of the Grand. Tower fire but remember it's 2 months now since Grenfell found cracks in the walls leaving it vulnerable to collapse in the event of a gas explosion subcouncils written to residents and says it's doing all it can to help them i Reporter Jason Rosen is then now very good morning to even se I understand that gas supplies haven't been turned off yet but I have seen the gas men in their luminous jackets surrounding the towers this morning and it looks like they will be turned off very soon residents who told me they've still got gas at the moment they also say it's interesting you mentioned there that the survey found cracks in the walls resident been telling me that those cracks in the wall some of them were 5 centimeters deep have been there for 1516 years were necessary and they've been complaining for that amount of time as well and saw that council has written to residents of this estate the lead to a state just off the Ok road here in Pac and they say officials have a range of them to use shower facilities at the local leisure center here if they provide proof of address and they are going to be giving residents that have gas they were hoping to put in electric ovens but they giving them hot plates to have their fit to make their food for for for for dinner and stuff and the gas supply was installed Vanessa when these towers were built back in sort of 198970 that was soon after a gas explosion at a similar tower called Ronan Point in Canning Town now that killed 4 people the council confirmed these works here on this estate and. The government order across the u.k. After the Ronan Point may never have happened here on the liberal state so there was a lot of issues after that Ronan Point disaster where 4 people were killed in Cannes and counting town and blocks should have been worked upon but it doesn't seem to have happened here now as I said been speaking to residents this morning this this man John this is what he told me to. Correct people. Hines stands in the next door neighbor. So in my eye just so separation. Where there's a few people is a go on the 1st floor usual. If the council tells you how to cancel ya know choice. Or as I'm joined in the studio by council Stephanie crime the deputy leader and cabinet member for housing its other council Good morning thank you for coming in the morning why why has this happened now this is 8 weeks in slightly more after the grand tragedy does that mean that your residents have been living in dangerous flats all this time I think the in light of gravel and litle fee and residents actually scientists there are cracks we decided we needed to do some really in-depth structural. Investigations on this and that's why it's taken that time because we need to know what situation was in order to be out to know what we need to do to the right I mean I've seen some of the pictures it doesn't take a structural engineer to see that this gentleman was absolutely right when he says there are cracks a large you can put your hand through you can put your fist or go small grandchild you could probably stick your grandchild through the cracks I mean I'm not kidding here or exaggerating and you can clearly see for example when the carpets lifted up in one flat into the flat below so I mean how come it took 2 months to work that out I said we've had to do a full structural ripple on this because there you can see the crack that is to the extent and what work is needed to rectify them and that's what's taken the time and we felt we needed to have a true and from a picture and you have to now know what we need to do to actually make those residents life I mean some people will say why did it take Grenfell to make you investigate this surely I mean are you telling me truthfully this is the 1st you'd ever heard of it or has it a spin a similar scenario to Granville where you've had residents pointing it out complaints meetings councillors taking up the cause and nothing at all has been done about it but 1st I was notified of a public meeting with on the fire brigade and a resident she mentioned it so we went down there officers went down a tad to have a look and that's when we decided that we need to see the structure but historically maybe before your time has this been an issue you have have residents meant. It before genuinely no one at the Council had the faintest idea about this until post sees only one when it's not something that well actually there's a crack so big I can shove my fists or is this the 1st you know is there as there was in the case of Grenfell a long history of complaints about this is 1st I've known about it however I have to say in light of going for watching every local farts he needs to look differently at how we look at it I'm not asking about you see whether you have 1st been told about it now I'm asking has the council historically known about it it was built of the blocks which well built in 1968 has no one mentioned it until 2017 or has it been mentioned as the bit that looks kind of Suffolk in the light is I mean buildings originally in the time since we've had them it since the eighty's the effort has been history all of that said when he said to the council there are big cracks either side of my front door there are cracks looking down into the flat below there are a crack can see through my own wall no one said that I think they have been reports of leaks and cracks which we react to every pedal and I mean I have been repaired have been. Reactive repairs and I think in a lot of great form See we look at things totally differently and quite rightly we have to look at things totally differently now because nobody when somebody was saying look any piece repair this gaping crack either side of my door in my floor or in my will nobody thought would that be very dangerous were there to be a gas explosion or indeed not even a gas explosion whether to be a fridge you know all about this the cool 5 this would mean that we wouldn't be able to pursue the policy of containment whereby the fabric is a Remain in your own flat which is sealed the fire will be contained in it it won't go were roaring through the block nobody thought that it had to take rental for anyone to think that I think as I said because I isolated reported I think it was a reactive repair. And I totally understand why residents are worried I do understand why the concerned I would be myself and I think from a resident safety is paramount and the decision we've made now to turn the gas off is the right decision so they're in their flats they've got the gas turned off you had our reporter Jason wasn't speaking to that general says a lot can't go away now. No I can't go away for a week now what is actually happening I know you are supplying residents with hot plate so they can make hot food there's no hope water though so that's pleasant but they are also not going to stay there indefinitely they will eventually have to be evacuated you're not going to do it all at once but you are doing it what we need to do now is we do need to do a full program Major as we need to get electricity correct electricity supplies in 5 flats and in the meantime we are as I said offer a nice hot place for people to cook on we will be actually 15 cookers in once that electricity supply is up and running and we will also be undertaken in a program of major works on those flats to address not just electrical issue of the installed military city but the historical crack issue as well and we will vigilant in a measured way and so we will have to at some point the residence but not all at once and in a very measured way to make sure that those works it will be part of a program of on go of major Well Steve choose no very old verb here have a need to decant residents people will know the word to can when it's appended to a decanter normally which has sherry in it or or brandy or as I said You mean you get it to camp or we will we will move residence into some temporary temporary accommodation while we don't and then they if they choose I can move back to their flats if they want to stay where we move into they are allowed to do that the other thing around this is that since we were aware of obvious issues when we 1st commission structure repos we did sites any resident who wanted to move they could move in we would put them on our top band of the house an allocation list so we have offered payments for people to be out of moving back to allow them to most of any resident who does feel unsafe I still feel unsafe that we will we will look at the right and then guarantee they have the right of return if you move them out you guarantee they will remain council flats I mean all of this is in writing his so you have covered your bases very well with this letter but but but but you heard that guy saying we can't go away that was someone else is meant to be going away for weeks he can go away is that true or is that not true why don't you go away for a week I don't I do but I think he could go. If you want to go away they can we will you know we'll make sure that we have teams only stay in the hole so if anyone has any questions or concerns like that I said to pop down to the hole talk to the take out a one of the issues here is the use of the word cat which I don't really understand as of as it deploys to human beings and I think human beings concerned don't understand when you tell them you're going to decant they really don't know what it means there's no reason why they should know it's made use of the word therefore they don't know where that means going to pour them all out at once as you would with a large tumbler of brandy a way to get a poor but a drop into a shot glass and one of them going to leave today and one of them is going to leave to morrow so a bit of communication here is a tip because you know one of the most traumatic issues post Grenfell is that they lead to communicate properly then I would say what's going on you can tell from I reporter Jason this morning that people don't really understand something they've got to rush out the door today something they can't go on holiday and some don't understand until I think yesterday we sent a letter so we don't have anybody who recorded his name we had to live in a letter and it we had to do that to let people know it's happening but that was the 1st of an ongoing question I don't let go to say quite long I mean obviously you have to cover it I understand that but but my team and I you know we've we've we've been over it with a fine tooth comb this one took us a while and we're trying to do that sort of thing that's our job you know if you just got that through your door and suddenly had to supply turned off you haven't got the organ a means of cooking you don't quite understand what to count means that actually it's a very long letter maybe English isn't your 1st language you might be in trouble with that letter as I said that's a 1st of many communications and we do have people around with what we have people on site 24 hour you know around that I am going to go now I'm going to be that today good idea thank you so much for coming in we really do appreciate it and I do see that the letter does try very hard to explain exactly what's going on that's come from the Stephanie crime the deputy leader and cabinet member for housing it's on the council nobody can say she's invisible She's here right now and she's going straight there thank you so much I do appreciate it we will be straight back with you after the travel. With the b.b.c. Radio London travel Galba he expresses 10. And Southern train service is back out with the airport running with delays of 15 minutes following a point Fadia and Southern trains between Milton King Central and East Croydon bringing under bridges better than junction disrupted anyway due to a train crew shortage so tickets are being accepted on alternative forms of transport slow traffic on the a one m. Southbound option subnets demon edge junction 6 at one in Garden City that's following an area accident in is in turn the a one up a street down to one southbound of white line Street following an accident by the angel you know happy mass street has reopened following the closure mourning lane and earlier to the north of the Hackney Empire but in truth them Horrigan road is blocked in York Street in London Road following an accident with a bus trip to 90 on the version northbound traffic on the buckle tunnels on approach slope from the would it Road flyover a 13 heavy westbound document into barking and all secular building southbound through park rolled into the a 43 system if you have any updates on the travel so far this money very welcome to called in on the 207 double 240000 or indeed give us a tweet at b.b.c. Travel a lot of response b.b.c. Radio London your next travel 730 this is London hello I'm not Parisian. You tell me I'm not convinced we should be more that's what makes London such a fantastic city that it's a cultural diversity a constant sort of movement constant change such a strong. Great community I'm so proud. Because this is a way to take you know slow moving 6 speed slum to the east is b.b.c. Radio London. Well following me a horsemeat scandal we have another food scandal you may say what about the contaminated beef scandal there was that one as well we know that there can be issues in the food chain specially with complexity of food being brought in from countries abroad and this is the story to. Day the Food Standards Agency says that the number of potentially contaminated eggs from Dutch farms which were sent to Britain is far higher than originally thought the agency now puts the figure at 700000 eggs originally we're told it was just 21000 eggs joining me on the line is had the Hancock chairman of the Food Standards Agency Heather thank you for talking to us this morning good morning that you don't know if she has had a hi hello hello thanks very much for coming on the program so 700000 contaminated Dutch eggs rather than 21000 that's a bit of a difference in the calculation. It is a difference it's not a calculation it's what we now know just a step back to last week last week we understood from the just sources that there had been no wakes from these farms who've got this problem in the Netherlands now ex a come to the u.k. We were notified over the weekend that there were 21000 decks and then we started to investigate and pursue that working closely with the industry and that's what led us to establish a number of 700000 facts could you explain his story so we had a could you explain to to my listeners when you say we were fertile there were no exit talk coming from these affected farms in Holland what is the situation what happened at those farms that are a product that is so lethal it's it's deemed unfit for human consumption found its way into the food chain do you know yet what exactly happened that. It's it's still not to talk clear what appears to have happened is the thing as you've rightly said it's not authorize the use near animals that are for food has been used that that's not acceptable clearly is quite a debate in a dispute going on between the authorities in the Netherlands and Belgium about the circumstances there are a lot of questions to answer and lessons to learn was this incident dealt with do we do we think that it was something fed to the chickens in chicken feed or not or not now is not what this is is it's a substance that's been put into it as we understand into cleaning agents really what's being used to clean down the poultry houses the egg laying houses right it's our understanding of how it's managed to get into a position where it could get into the food chain and that means what that means or the chickens have eaten it all what it I don't get how it's ended up inside an egg this is what we don't really understand. It's likely that it's been absorbed into the skin of the chicken. And that's how it's come main thing feel. Listen NASA is to be really reassured that although this shouldn't happen if it's not an authorized substance it shouldn't be in a way that's all we've asked for them to be taken off the shelves a small number of eggs that are in products are on the shelf with us for them to be removed because it shouldn't be there not matter country in the trust but I don't want people to worry that it's a public health risk because it's very very unlikely that this level of contamination is going to cause any problem for any individual someone like me I'd have to be to these eggs a day for the rest of my life to even get close to having a problem with that Ok so what you say you know we want people to have trust in the Food Standards Agency and want people to have trust that the food they're eating is safe and it is a huge leap of faith isn't it every time you put food into your mouth you have to do it in the belief is not going to make you ill it's going to make you sick it's not going to give you a some kind of infestation or whatever you have to believe that the food you're eating is safe is very very important but then we hear that you were sued it sounds to me like I'm using this word you didn't use it correct me if it's not right but that you were misled to some extent by the Dutch food or Thora cheese because you were 1st told there were no contaminated eggs then you told 21000 eggs then you told 700000 eggs so it's difficult for us to put our trust in you if you can put your trust in your source of supply isn't it. Then I so I think I'd say is that this has been affecting 150 or so farms in the Netherlands the authorities there of working I'm sure flat out to get all the necessary information and uncover what's been happening Inevitably that means that new information will come through so I don't think I would say that we were misled it's just about how quickly the right information can get to us and we can act on it but the most important thing is as soon as we knew there was a risk we started our own investigations we started talking to the industry here in the u.k. And that's as important as an education coming through that both as a sings need to happen but you also said that there's some kind of dispute to disquiet between the Belgian and the Dutch Food Standards Agency has and it could well be that we end up being the casualty and I hope not literally of some kind of dispute between the 2 then with neither will take responsibility or they have differing views on what's safe or what's not safe it could be that I'm wishing me both you and we the consumer somehow you know deep into eating some what we think is a delicious egg man a sandwich and ends up feeling some pesticide I'm not saying that we're going to die as a result but we said we don't want to do that we. No of course not and it is it is very unfortunate and I say we're speculating at the minute on what's gone wrong in terms of the handling of this over over in the Netherlands and in Belgium but what isn't in doubt is this very low level of risk so the handling clearly there are some questions to ask and lessons to learn but let's get all the information that tangle this incident effectively now and then let's make sure that we're part of learning those lessons with our colleagues elsewhere in Europe and understanding what went wrong there to put us a little bit out of the out of the normal way of handling things Ok Meanwhile it really is that against time of the day today we will not go to work on an egg and they will be people who customarily 725 and 57 seconds are tucking into egg on toast poached egg scrambled egg eggs and witches and eggs in a different mood swings of fabulous normal it all busy with their eggs should they be eating eggs in their normal confident manner this morning should they decide to give the eggs in missing go for some Ready Brek instead of them 1st and keep on eating their eggs remember we're talking about a tiny tiny proportion of acts against the 10000000000 or more that we are in here talking about. Candyman amounts of one percent of all the eggs that we ate we're talking about eggs that have gone into salads and sandwiches and things like that we're not talking about forcing the supermarket shelves taken home to coke the vast majority of x. 85 percent of the actually in the u.k. Produced here in the u.k. And we have no evidence of any anxiety about this this particular substance being used in the u.k. And Defra continuing to do those checks to really reassure people about that so there's no reason they're told not to enjoyable they get poached egg scrambled egg on toast my final question this is another food story this morning and one in all the papers avatars must henceforth install cameras in all areas and this is to prevent cruelty to animals is this coming from you at the Food Standards Agency whether this is a this is a government policy but we call for this to happen last autumn the 1st Standards Agency is delighted that ministers are coming out with this consultation we got to the point where we felt that voluntary adoption of c.c.t.v. Had stalled we really need to move not to make this mandatory it's it's it's the right thing to do to give the public assurance that the highest animal welfare standards are being met and frankly if your responsible business operator Avatar another 2 or slaughterhouse you'd want c.c.t.v. For your own insurance thank you very much for talking to us had to hang up there chairman of the Food Standards Agency who says have egg on toast this morning with her blessing you'll be absolutely fine let's let's welcome Lucy Martin she's here with the weather Lucy Good morning it's a bright start the day today some good spells of sunshine through this morning but we have got another weather front on its way coming in from the northwest actually mean and so often in say more in the way of clouds and then through this evening some showery outbreaks of rain on the way temperatures reach their maximum around 20 degrees Celsius or 10 increasingly breezy as in the through the day say overnight some sharing outbreaks of light rain and drizzle a fair amount of cloud. Overnight I was around 14 degrees Celsius so not quite as cool as we saw last night and then a fairly cloudy starts the day tomorrow there will be a few Shourie outbreaks of light rain and drizzle fest thing but and that cloud beginning to then and bright to allow for some good spells of sunshine temperatures reaching a maximum of around 22 degrees Celsius and Sunday looks lousy John Bright So how much you know what a bad weekend until it's not if you don't see that's not bad as exactly what we want to thank you very much indeed let me tell you lovely listener what is coming up on the program you know this is wonderful I'm not Ok so I have to be objective about this or do I have to say I think that well I love them I was young I want to thought I just I've got to say they love you I love them I'm talking about the green parakeets of London now if you live in bonds in Richmond they'll be regular visitors to your home you will have seen them doing what parakeets do having absolutely joyous time looking completely out of place but wonderful like green jewels an emerald sparkling up there in the sky and you would have thought parakeets in London then you would feel Yes Well I've known them all my life they're not new to me they don't feel like invaders we've grown up with them well went do they come why are they here when we never really know there are 2 different explanations one is they were released inadvertently from a Jimmy Hendrix video that he's been portrayed a whole lot of green parakeets to flutter about in the background and somehow they escaped through a hole in the ceiling or something and the other one is that they were brought in for the filming of African Queen with Humphrey Bogart and Katherine Hepburn and they managed to escape somehow from the set whatever it is they have a very Hollywood kind of and glitzy showbiz origin but they have become so at home in London that this is the headline today doesn't doesn't happen delight me in any way but it says parakeet urged to knock invaders off their perch How would you feel if they started to cull the green parrot Keat of London 020-072-2420 extension 00 get rid of a beautiful green parakeets will be straight back with you after the news headlines . Good morning hundreds of residents of 4 tower blocks in Peckham have been told their gas supplies being switched off and in the longer term they'll have to move out temporarily after structural problems were found such a council says a survey ordered in the wake of the fire at Grunfeld tower found cracks in the walls of the lead Bre towers leaving them vulnerable to collapse in the event of a gas explosion the Charity Commission says so far less than 15 percent of the nearly 19000000 pounds raised after the ground fell fire has been distributed to people who lost their homes and the relatives of those who died it says charities want to work with survivors to discuss how the remaining funds should be spent long term but some people in North Kensington of accused charities of not being completely transparent President Trump has warned North Korea it should be very very nervous if it does anything to the United States but his defense secretary James Mattis says armed conflict would be catastrophic and he insists diplomacy is bearing fruit earlier in the week Pyongyang announced it has a plan to fire 4 ballistic missiles towards the u.s. Territory of Guam in the Western Pacific and residents are planning a protest this morning against plans to build a venue for an Abba themed dinner show in a residential area near Waterloo Station the event called Mamma Mia the party is the idea of one of Abba's members be all over Residents say it would be too noisy and it's on land that should be used for social housing London's weather dry and bright for much of the day some good sunny spells but turning cloudy and breezy later this afternoon with some patchy rain topped temperatures 22 Celsius 72 foreign heist now with the b.b.c. Radio London travel his paper sparks. Change situation much the same sudden change to Milton King Central East Croydon in London bridge and back then junction a disrupted get to a train crew shortage and the Gatwick expresses 7 and 10 think ironic delays about 15 minutes. Falling the points failing at Gatwick Airport slow traffic on the southbound a one m. Junction 7 Steven ish junction 6 well in Garden City following an early accident in is an intern up a street is down to one lane southbound at White Lion Street following an accident by the angel delays back to bring now took them in road block between York Street in London Road following an accident with bus route 291 diversion and queuing traffic on the 7 Sisters Road southbound from on a house in green lanes down to feel free park station whether a lane restrictions waterworks at means drive little circular building southbound through park roll into the a 45 Length regular system and then queuing westbound into the a one of these corner with delays back to the east and road in East Finchley it looked to me as if traffic had ground to a halt just briefly northbound on the block or tunnel southern approach approaching the tunnel mouth itself I think they've redirected the lorry away from the tunnel and it's all on the move again have a sponsor b.b.c. Radio London your next travel that puts the weight. Coming up on b.b.c. Radio London's breakfast show with me Vanessa Feltz in July there were 5 acid attacks in one night in East London I'm going to be speaking to the 1st moped driver attacked that night what was it like for him and later I'll be talking to the Crown Prosecution Service about tougher sentencing people involved in acid attacks That's all coming up after the sport with Matthew Schofield. Was introduced tomorrow afternoon Crystal Palace against Huddersfield on the opening weekend of the Premier League season and shift the Wednesday versus playing spot Rangers in the Championship last live updates through all the games involving on Monday and on Saturday still some say. Their Premier League football is back tonight and it's also who kicked off the new season against the 2016 Champions Leicester at the Emirates for the 1st time. I'm in 20 years the Gunners start the season without the prospect of Champions League football and for the last 2 seasons they've lost their opening day fixtures both at home but manager Arsene Bangor isn't too concerned by that record Spitz who that in the recent years we had some special circumstances sometimes because it's after work up after European Championship when you had many players who were not ready. Doris Corey 2 opponents were Stanley were poor and now we have Lister So we have a good opportunity to show that you had a good preparation and but you already knew him Smith on your Mitchell Blake says he feels like he let the nation down after he just missed out on a medal in the men's 200 meters at the World Athletics Championships the race was won by Turkey is running who dash Van Niekerk hopes of a 2nd goal to add to his 400 metres title Botswana's eyes at my Kuala who came down with the norovirus last weekend Blaine fatigue for finishing 6 Meanwhile all ping to Dina ashes Smith has sealed her place in the women's 200 meters final tonight I'm sorry say Had To me the stuff I was doing in that race that wasn't here that made especially race Jerry said I could not going up as a married man yeah I'm sorry but I mean I honestly didn't think that company made the finest in the ring cricket a Middlesex one that t 20 blast match against Sussex by 2 runs to keep their hopes of reaching the knockout stages for the 2nd consecutive season a life they're back in action tonight against Essex at Chelmsford as for sorry their county championship match against Somerset ended in a draw sorry's opening batsman Mark Stoneman has been called up to the England squad for the 1st Test against West Indies replacing Keeton Jennings this is just a part of the squad. We want to get into the team and. Treasure every moment and healthy being in it you can never look too far ahead in any form of a game at any level for it as it is it's just one step at a time tennis and Andy Murray will remain world number one for another week after Ruffo Nadar was knocked out in the quarter finals of the Montreal masters and engulfed Rory McILROY and Jordan Spaeth are both 5 shots off the leaders after the 1st day of the Us p.g.a. Championship. The sounds of London change x. Is longer I don't believe that you need to carry a knife to get respect from people right is extreme by fall 2000 of them this is b.b.c. Radio laughter Vanessa Feltz. Welcome back to b.b.c. Radio London's breakfast show him a Vanessa Feltz in $737.00 It is Friday the 11th of August and the next hour I'm going to be speaking to the Crown Prosecution Service about acid attacks in London the c.p.s. Published guidance last month on sentencing for those involved in acid attacks this is part of a wider review of guidance on offensive weapons acid attacks and knives on July the 5th acid attacks took place in East London there were 5 of them in just one night I'm sure you remember it and Jabot his say was the 1st person targeted that night he joins me on the program this morning Jabot Good morning to you thank you so much for talking to us today I would morning let me ask you 1st of all how you are now how are you doing I am Ok well it could be a mock him but mentally I'm not. Shocked at all on the moment tell me Tell me 1st but if you don't mind a bit how old are you just wondering. Ok so you're a young guy and on July the 5th just tell us about your your evening as it as it started off what what what what were you doing and where were you doing it. Well I was I was astonishing my work and trying to go to. A stop one of the traffic lights and I'm going to go on the right. So I had some water on my left side and so no less on my left hand side that was a little a little left on us or 2 to. The market country and 2nd time. A sonar saw them there trying to attack Mexican much John Way way when you say they were trying to attack me what do you mean you're on your moped you you've been your delivery driver you've been driving all night it was sitting at the traffic lights on your way when you made it and then you say you saw a gang on mopeds coming to attack you what did they actually do how did they attack you. The 2 boys that. They had and their them when they came on left side with the strong and silent sound report on my left side and I saw on the left inside us or 2 was there trying to attack me again could pull in there was missed. My helmet the bomb All right Mr Wright. And they about an hour when they go inside and I say it's a little bit difficult to to hear you it's not beyond understand we can't clearly hear what he was saying job is so I still don't get the picture you're you're sitting there at the traffic lights you're on your moped you said you hear the sound of water what do you mean You mean you hear it being sprayed against you into your face that we're at least an attempt to get our base right and and you all wearing your thank goodness you're wearing your helmet through all of this thank goodness for that right and and yet some of the liquids managed to get inside did it not strike him and and and so what happens next you said you jumped off you might put in you ran away. Behind right when did you realize that it obviously wasn't water that had been sprayed or knew it was acid. Bought beg pardon and that was our city here. So not just back when to cross behind it. It's getting dry and it's getting more well you know it's kind of like fire on my face right so your face is really really painful by this time so do you take the helmet off I took the helmet off here you took the helmet off and then what happened and I was just looking all the windows of the cars stopped behind me . Picking for water. Allow the screaming of one like a crazy. Was begging for water because I didn't find any trust just desperate for water just went to the pavement and one of the ladies just walking by. And she asked me what happened look someone feed on my face yeah she said Can I call ambulance I said no I need water stressed and she went to the shops and I remember over discounting every moment of her to come back to what. I just. Put it was on my face with it's finished been a minutes and I just look at the card on next to me I'm in a cab driver. And I'm not going to work like that I need to let my colleagues know they know who don't on my groups the driver groups and they can do to diminish 5060 drivers arrived who's working locals they managed to get us like about 1015 times every book really disposals and they put all of. My goodness me and so by this time are you in a great deal of pain has it got anyone in your life what kind of I do you feeling your face I'm feeling the damage that's going on what's happening Well there was a little bit demis on on because I'm very lucky as I said because I was just wearing a helmet that was a bit of single stuck on my lips of the corner left contact but this is getting better now and I think I saw a lot from the parking lot of what you know was freezing cold Yes a lot some of it and that's making the. Right and it did I mean I've been told that he wondered whether it was a racially motivated attack you an Asian and when you thought maybe that was the reason for it is that right or did you think he was just in you moped or what the heck do you think it happened I am really confused. Actually you know if they want to fit in my bike they go a lot of options I mean they really would come out of this dealing with this billing lot of stuff that my stuff. If they want to distil my bike why did you need me to see it and see it on my face my face they call big a little. And of course he was the 1st of 5 attacks that night 5 acid attacks we think by the same gang in London in one night. 5 o'clock that was up before their talk after me and I was the luckiest person could manage to save my face and. Well after me they. Will. Because I met one of them in the hospital hospital and saw his face is damaged from the damaged more Western me. And so and so now you're feeling better physically but not mentally not mentally because where I get scared when it's get dark. And has you have you not been able to get back to work or knitting or like free if I want to go out with my family I need to. Do some work is totally different Ok but I'm sorry for you've been through it obviously being completely horrific and thank you very much indeed for talking to such as you say he was the 1st delivery driver victim of an acid attack me talked about the need the eating into skin and being desperate for water to poor nation and says he has been able to resume normal life to his employees completely traumatized by it will be straight back with you after the travel. Not much change on the public transport front 7 trains to Milton Keynes Central and East Croydon on the bridge abutment junction still disrupted due to a train crew shortage this morning and then 7 times in the gut with the Express running further delays about 15 minutes from the point at Gatwick Airport a 1 am still pretty slow coming down from Junction 7 Stephen h. Southbound junction 61 in Garden City following the early accident in is linked to the a one up a street has down to one southbound a white line street pulling out by the angel lights back to instinct and green where the congestion Essex Road is back to Parkington Street took them are Conneaut still block between York Street London Road following this morning's accident with bus route to 90 on diversion queues on the 7 Sisters Road building from green lines at Manor House to Finsbury Park station whether a language frictions or waterworks at Queen's drive the highway and he Smithfield still very slow westbound from the line house link right the way through to Tower Hill if you have any updates are very welcome to port in 020740000 will give us a tweet at b.b.c. Travel alert for sparks b.b.c. Radio London your next travel at 8 o'clock great unifier. If I find the best solution for the for the alternative to this part this is part of this Sunday on a special Sunday Shea program we look at the to mulch was events of $947.00 in India through the eyes of London's politicians. As always I don't think everybody understood exactly what a different war presenting any to Vonnie will be our special guest bringing to life some of the Forgotten voices of partition and retracing dramatic journeys that they were forced to make it work or. Started behind the 70th anniversary of the partition of India and its human impact. A special Sunday shape program with a need to Ronnie this Sunday from 66 radio and has time for a fabled paper review and we're absolutely on it to have Mark Stephens the media lawyer is that is that the proper title media lawyer do you like that title is perfectly good I like I like anything that you say about me well that's nice to say thank you very much and you've chosen a fascinating 1st story it is front page of The Telegraph say I'll give the headline you explain why why you does it go online for d.i.y. Divorce which I think many people think is a damn good idea Yeah well I mean one of the things about divorce is that of course you have to come and see Austin oils and pay as many guineas for an expensive divorce Yes and they've just started this new online devils but one of the questions that song's does about adultery and says. Fill in the details of the person your partner commits adultery with and of course we as lawyers usually try to take the sting in the heat out of a divorce and say well let's say it was on reasonable behavior you couldn't but what will happen we think is that as a result lots of people are going to be drawn into this unseemly massive a divorce by being named in the papers so we have a real concern that this is going to have an unwanted effect I just interrupt to say people some. People particularly veterans of divorce or shall I call less the survivors will be surprised to hear you say we lawyers routinely try to take the sting and the heat out of divorce because some people will say the opposite they'll say lawyers ramp up the divorce and they make it much much harder than it needs to be much more vitriolic and bitter and also prolonged do you think those are the rafters among you yes I mean this guy is clearly rotters who do that kind of thing yeah I mean most of us believe in this kind of consensus divorce resolve we try to try to make it as easy as possible but of course there's a lot of high profile divorces going on at the moment who's getting divorced so Ryan Giggs and if you read the Daily Mail it's a 40000000 pound divorce but if you're a star reader it's a 20000000 pound balls I guess that's sort of the profile of the reader. But he's going through the splits and will get his degree nice side today and of course the history there that he had an 8 year affair with his brother's Mrs Natasha and whilst his wife stayed with him after that. Stacy's finally got fed up with him and then we moved to Katie Price and apparently she went online to rant about love cheats without making any specific allegations and also had a bit of a rant about her current husband but I think she's going to get lost again well it looks that way so she's not got a ring on anymore as viewers of loose women yesterday will have noticed I went to an Imagineer is Loose Women if you have Mark I thought you had to let her do anything I'm addicted absolutely amazed to hear that but but let me ask you one with a I still find after all these years that people are flabbergasted by the concept of no fault divorce in other words people seem to think let's imagine the husband is I'm thankful to the wife we realize it can go both ways and let's imagine he copes of with her mother and all her 5 sisters I think people think that therefore because he's done so. A terrible thing he gets to fulfill his half of the marital wealth and he get to just be sent packing in sackcloth and ashes and deserves it and that's what the courts do and when you tell them Oh no he gets health everything doesn't matter he said with a mother all his sisters and all say the entire Girls Brigade he still gets health of everything because there's no fault divorce people RINGBACK a shot to the cool yeah they are but of course if you think about it what we're doing is trying to find a position where people continue after the marriage with sufficient money now clearly there's going to be much less money around because you're splitting. A single pool into 2 or more parts not necessarily equal parts but it is something where we do think that you know people doesn't people are not shown off to their better advantage in divorce they do behave very badly except for the super wealthy who tend to have so much money it doesn't really matter what about Abramovich you have mentioned him is a massive divorce Well that's coming along turn it looks like it will be the biggest divorce of all. This is the divorce as well and you know the sort of. Rather nice isn't it as sort of a triumph of hope over experience although that said I've just done my daughter father's 5th divorce he gets married every decade was the last you want although you would have thought you might be able to advise me to take a professional I'm very pleased to say I have been married happily for 35 years and it's a. Broken with a family tradition now you've chosen the parent so you have very tabloid owners this morning Mark see that I am surprised you've chosen this is from the sun page 7 a parrot storytellers wife Yes Well this is her kewl power pair out the great Harris and I just rather like this that the burglar was. Attracted by the parrot he reached into the cage to try and grab him and the parrot for back and pecked him and drew blood and of course that meant that the police could then do a d.n.a. To. And the villain of the piece for Tariq his love was immediately arrested and is now banged up so he's now an x. Villain an x. And he shuffled off the for this mortal coil I suppose or if we're going to follow through from. What the pair of the deceased pieces of 8 pieces of 8 I don't know what happened parents really have got to go on their station in Scotland of course all the. Sooner is have God geese around them because they are a noisy there goes a pack and they actually attack So actually if you won't let go of dogs or not as good as gold get where you heard that idea 1st hear from Mark Stephens on this program and don't bother with the dog over the goose now I'm very glad indeed that you've thought our attention to this next story because we obviously dealt with it when these are erupted it's always nice to conclude a story or at least to begin the conclusion of a story and this is that Joel guy who shot that woman yeah I mean I think nobody who has seen this video can fail to have been horrified by what happened apparently in swanky Chelsea and some put. A man 50 unnamed has been nicked for that push and he's being investigated for g.b.h. Grievous bodily harm or attempted grievous bodily harm and I suspect we haven't seen the end of that and if he's charged I suspect there's if he's found guilty there will be a real risk of him going to jail and do you think that it was I mean that it was the video evidence here when he saw it and somebody thought oh gosh that's my next door neighbor and dumped him in yeah I'm sure this is the sort of situation where you know it's pretty clear and I think one of the things here is although the police haven't named him I think it's going to be less than 24 hours before the media have worked out who he is yes and camped out on he's doing so well with the know what made him do it and I think it was a moment's madness I'm just looking at it is. Obviously angry and Jodi's frustrations out of the way and I suspect you know he didn't have the intention to push her on the bus a thought and didn't know that she would lose balance but I don't want to push some woman. Because because I want to Where does the law stand on moments of madness meant that woman who threw the cat in the bin that was another video story wasn't yeah and me and it always it was a moment of madness it was just a moment of madness but only allow those legally to have no you're not I mean or maybe a moment of madness and it may be very human to understand it in those context concepts but of course Actually it's a criminal offense so you understand that the main demands I didn't understand it and I think I do I think you know occasionally we all get a bit angry and we forget ourselves and that is human to human in that way but it doesn't mean that it doesn't come without consequences when it happens we are responsible for water because I know the word so keep a lid on it because you don't allow yourself a moment of madness in the Mind you know choking it will serve you right right what about talk talk talk talk of being fined for privacy and interesting Lee The Financial Times is the only people to go with this they've been fined 100000 pounds for it failing to properly protect 21000 of their customers and this is on top of a 400000 pound fine in relation to a cyber attack on them back into what happened they protected and what have they done wrong the customer data hasn't been properly protected and increasingly the laws and we're just about to have some new laws come in this is one of the reasons I picked it up is that we're going to have people who have data on us whether it's social media companies or indeed suppliers of of business to to us all services to us are going to have to keep their data much more securely and if they are breached on their own data breaches then in those circumstance they can be fined in the new new law that's coming in up to 4 percent of global revenue and. Some in some businesses you think about the biggest in the Footsie 100 that is going to be billions in terms of money so this is a really important issue it's not really on the focus of boards yet and I think it's an area where lawyers are starting to really have some concern so I it just interesting question for you I hope this is intern question you when you mention the story talk talk fine for privacy breach and it's it could have very long reaching consequences for everybody and for business you said it's only in the Financial Times Yeah so why is it only in the Financial Times is quite a big story isn't it if you're quite right to draw our attention to yeah I mean I think it is I know if you think about it across the 2 breaches there were close to 200000 people customers of talk talk who were affected. And many of them resulted in receiving scams can calls where people could actually provide. Information about their account number so you would believe the account believed the people who came in so it was really quite sophisticated in a matter of major concern and I do think that this is an area which because it's got this slightly boring approach you know it's about data protection when you I mean it's got to be understood as an invasion of your privacy for which there may be you know scam outcomes Ok And then you've chosen social media curb sons power to make the political weather in red top heartland of Canvey Island Most say they buy the paper for sports in television and that's why you ever see a Sun reader which I never would have really realize. And this is an interesting one this is why people buy the Sun and what they're reading in it right yeah but I think there's a greater truth here for years we've understood that the sun makes or breaks our political process you know we remember the headlines with the last person out turn the lights off in terms of the political election of chemical not a failure of connect and of course. We see Blair cutting a deal with Murdoch in order to get into power and what has happened is that that power of Rupert Murdoch and the other press barons has been eroded because people are now getting information from social media and they're not buying newspapers particularly the younger generation I mean for example in the last election that we've just had. Tinder was co-opted by some of the political parties so you could say I'm looking for a cauldron supporter white left. And right for a reason. And so there's a there's a great approach in the art these online platforms are having far more power and I think this is again the only newspaper which is really spotted the fact that newspapers are having much less impact on the sort of political not it's not really a story that newspapers want to give much mileage to is it you know they're using the ground and they're venting as less people are buying the sun just for the sport the t.v. Listings Mark Stephens I have to stop you there I'm so sorry it's been an absolute delight to see you as it always is Mark Stephens the media lawyer with what I'm sure you will agree and the electic and Catholic with a small c choice of newspapers the like of which we rarely sees a renascence gentleman and I wish you could see as cufflinks because there are understated little number that dazzling I can barely see and will be straight back with the lovely snow after the need to travel in the weather at 8 o'clock. The 1 am still slow southbound direction 7 to 60 vegetable in Garden City bowling alley accident we got a tire on the carriage trail clockwise m 25 just before junction 11. $392.00 and $3.00 of the 4 in place there so they're holding traffic on the tires removed and the congestion is built up to junction 10 for the a 3 it was heading out of town on the 813 the county town flyover is down to one lane eastbound following a collision that's news just in traffic is slow on the approach that in is linked in the a one up a street. Down to one southbound at White Lion street on accident on the Angel delays to is thinking agreeing with the congestion on Essex roads back to packing it in street and the South Circular very heavy eastbound heading out of tolls hill towards Forest Hill the sparks b.b.c. Radio London your next travel update 15. Mins will be evacuated from flats in southern gas safety fears last night the council issued letters to $240.00 flats here at let breach how is explaining the gas and water supplies will be turned off to the news. On digital radio and t.v. Online to fill or not and runs a news radio station and. The radio and. London's music day time Matthew Schofield hundreds of residents on an estate in Peckham will have to move out of their flats after structural problems were found during a survey ordered in the wake of the fire at Grunfeld tower Souther Council says cracks were found in the walls of the 4 Ledbury towers leaving them vulnerable to collapse in the event of a gas explosion in the short term the residents of almost $250.00 flats are having their gas switched off but subjects deputy leader Stephanie cry and told Vanessa in the longer term they'll have to leave temporarily to allow repairs to be carried out we'll move residents into some temporary accommodation while we're going in the night may if they choose they can move back to their flats if they want to stay where we move into They're allowed to do that the other thing around this is that since we were aware of the issues when we 1st commissioned structure ripple we did say to any resident who wanted to meet they could move in we would put them on at a band of the house an allocation list so we have offered payments for people to allow them to meet the body that regulates charities says less than 3000000 pounds of the nearly 19000000 that was raised after the Grandfather Fire has been distributed so far there's growing anger in North Kensington where some people have accused charities of not. Completely transparent but the B.B.C.'s Frankie McCann Lee says charities want to work with survivors and victims' families to discuss how the remaining funds should be spent long term the terraces Commission does say that there were some initial teething problems they weren't able to identify some of the people who needed this money they also said that some people still haven't yet come forward maybe because they're traumatized and they want to respect that it also said it doesn't need to look at a long term plan and that's what some of the charities are doing they're holding some money back and they want to speak to the local community today and plan for the future President Trump has warned North Korea it should be very very nervous if it does anything to the United States it comes off to Pyongyang announced it has a plan to fire for ballistic missiles towards the u.s. Territory of Guam in the western Pacific but the u.s. Defense Secretary James Mattis has warned armed conflict with North Korea would be catastrophic and he insists diplomacy is bearing fruit right now you can see the American effort is diplomatically led it has diplomatic traction it is gaining diplomatic resolve and I want to stay right there right now the tragedy of war as well enough known it doesn't need another characterization beyond the fact that it would be catastrophic here detectives investigating the murder of a 15 year old boy Croydon on Tuesday night say the 3 men who attacked him were wearing ballot clubbers Saddam with knives and a machete Jermain group or was stabbed near a convenience store in Thornton Heath his family say he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and the police are appealing for his friends who were with him to come forward all slaughterhouses would have to install close circuit television as part of government plans to monitor animal welfare the environment secretary Michael Gove says the proposals would make the u.k. a Global leader on animal welfare and all rights charities have welcomed the announcement. The food standards agency insists there's no cause for alarm after it emerged as many as 700000 contaminated eggs have been imported from the Netherlands they've gone into processed foods like sandwich fillings and mayonnaise and supermarkets across the country have taken some salads and sandwiches off the shelves as a precaution have the hind caulk is the chair of the Food Standards Agency the risk to anyone's health as a result of this is very low it's highly unlikely there's any health impact at all from eating these eggs that's partly because they already products which are already they've already in process these aren't eggs that are in people's fridges in the u.k. These are eggs that have gone into the food chain and the level of risk to public health is very low don't want anybody to be worried about that they don't need to worry about these eggs in Spore Premier League football is back tonight in its arsenal who kick off the new season against the 2016 Champions Leicester at the Emirates a new arms Smith and your Mitchell Blake says he feels like he let the nation down after he just missed out on a medal in the men's 200 meters at the World Athletics Championships Orpingtons Dana Bash a Smith has qualified for the women's 200 meters final tonight now Lucy Martin has London's weather to join bright start to the day today with plenty of sunshine around this morning who tend to see the cloud increasing assy me than to the afternoon there curtsey of our next weather from this pushing in from the Northwest is going to bring some cloud and some showery outbreaks of rain into this evening temperatures today reaching a maximum of 22 degrees Celsius they start to see the breeze picking up with that front as a receiving and overnight then a fair amount of cloud some cherry outbreaks of light rain and drizzle overnight lows of 14 degrees Celsius f. 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Radio London's record breaking breakfast show the time 6 minutes past 8 is Friday the 11th of August I'm Vanessa Feltz Good morning to you and I hope your morning is going swimmingly well today we're bringing you London's top stories as they break hundreds of people living in 4 tower blocks impact them in 242 flats to be precise have been till their gas supplies been switched off and in the longer term they will have to move out temporarily off to structural problems have been found so the council says a survey ordered in the wake of the fire a Grenfell tower found cracks in the walls of the Lebron towers leaving them vulnerable to collapse in the event of a gas explosion in the last hour I spoke to Councillor Stephanie crime deputy leader and cabinet member for housing and Suffolk Council to a duty to the full program majorettes we need to get electricity correct electricity supplies in 5 flats and in the meantime we are as I said offer a nice hot place for people to cook on we will be actually 15 cookers in once that electricity supply is up and running we will also be undertaken in a program of major works on those flats to address not just electrical issue of the installed military see but the historical crack issue as well I totally understand why residents are worried I do understand why that concerned I would be myself and I think for me it's resident safety is paramount and the decision we've made now to turn the gas off is the right decision. Jason Rosen's been there all morning for us Jason what are the residents finding out today and how they coping with the information when s. Are actually a couple of the residents were with me here when you were talking to the councilor earlier and they were listening to the interview and they were sort of put their hands on their heads and their arms in the air because they say that they've been complaining to us of a council for about up to 20 years about these cracks some of them so big you can put your hand through the walls. And they've been here for a very long time this is state was built in the late 1960 s. The block here a similar to Ronan Point in Canning Town Now some may remember that block because it collapsed after a gas explosion in one of the flats in 19684 people sadly died and after that disaster there were major changes in building regulations many London council blocks all of them should have been strengthened after that disaster it was under a government order and it seems that never happened here on the Libya state so 40 years later here we are we have residents here with no hot water no cooking facilities they're saying that they still have they still had it earlier this morning it probably has been turned off now we've seen the gas men wandering around the tower blocks over the last few minutes of the council are setting up this information center for residents in a community hall which is opposite the estates they're going to be handing out hot plates there I understand so residents can cook meals because the gas has been turned off and also in the last 5 minutes I've seen or a saw that council vehicle just turning up parking and it's got temporary accommodation and a telephone number on the side with the Southern Council logo 2 gentlemen who wearing orange fluorescent jackets got out of that and went into one of the blocks Here's what some of the residents of said to me this morning Council none of the things going on for 19 years and in properties sudden about the cracks they. Don't know about. The Gaskin with it if there was an explosion Well the bar is unsettling of the moment if you know many just don't know who was going to happen because they're going to be evacuating block by block where people going to come from there are going to be coming back we've got no gas we use hundreds know what there's nothing to cook food or anything I don't know what to do now because. What I'm going to do here I have really we're going to get child we were going to do about cracks not correct because people can put their hands down to the next door neighbor under the so in my. Separation there's a few people was a guy on the floor. While you were awake the council so many truckers disappeared. Truckers did go on our knees so depending on how windy windy days when it's windy closes when it's not when is north How long have you lived in the 17 years and has it always been like this over the years the spawn again was separate to go with batting the best of what a bit is so to come down to something new in the must this bizarre new does not been utilized in a bring a new development to the community. Join me on the program Sean Smith director of the Institute for sustainable construction a professor of construction innovation at Edinburgh Napier University long title but a man who really knows what he's talking about Sean morning to you thanks for joining us on the program Good Morning I mean these are cracks so to launch that without exaggerating as we have seen pictures of them here b.b.c. Radio London you can stick your fist through them you can clearly see if you lift up carpets and rugs the flats below I asked the counsellor Surely this isn't the 1st you've heard of it since the ground full time tragedy she said well it was the 1st she'd heard of it but we hear from Jason reported that residents have been complaining about this for 20 years just how worrying and dangerous all cracks of that magnitude have been listening to residents the issue of wind shifts acting the size of the crack in the crack displacing as it were to when loading that they have concerns and back to road and point to the major fire next apart from a very small gas explosion which caused Ronan Point to make he knew that because the haulage the residents who got up in the night are hearing was still intact that the person who that she lit the gas stove but the other major finding was there concerns about wind loading on the building which would then cause suction on floors and also the external panels I was sorry to interrupt you Sean but for those of us who are on initiated What is wind loading mean what is what is that what happens if this is the wind strikes the building that creates a suction effect Yeah and you need high the building back so for example if your building is not actually tied back then if you do have cracks then those cracks will wipe that pressure the success of by the way and on the building pools in the various joints that's exactly what that gentleman was describing isn't it exactly that now why is that so dangerous why is that such abominable It doesn't sound very nice to have cracks in your building swaying and getting larger and smaller with each gust of wind we deal that's not going to be a comfortable thing but why is it so very worried. Well the main reason is that when you have such cracks is this caused by your ex or which are increasing with wind loading or could be made worse by a gas explosion you may then result in what's called a disproportionate collapse in other words the force which is actually being applied the building may be quite small but in actual fact it creates a much larger and significant event such as the wall panel or the floor panel being pulled away right there for the actual amount of energy that required to do that very much that the collapse itself is disproportionate response to the buildings report I see and can you explain for Sean if you don't mind the the significance of the gas is is the idea that we were told post Granville that was fine was meant to be containable in individual flats and it turned out to do with zooming through the building with incredible speed with these cracks aids that kind of spread of fire is that the thing and cracks yes can aid the spread of fire it's more the issue of the spread of smoke Oh I see one more gets up to lethal level under this way so that happen then the issue of actual fire is secondary to the smoke Oh I see said the bridge the chief is when you let you tell me I'm on the Miles can you what is the chief Why what is the reason now that saw the council a has turned off all the gas and b. Says the game do evacuate residents are going to go well there's 2 separate things if you have a small good they've done the right thing absolutely to contact the residents to switch off the gas that's absolutely paramount right the primary reason there being that if there was a small explosion that could create if there wasn't the strength of the building historically there should have been the structural strength in a disproportionate collapse right secondly if there's a fire then the issue of spread of smoke then you don't have. Compartmentalisation of the residential flats in other words they're not having that 2 hour fire resistance which you would require between each flat on c And so the safest thing is to to to obviously tunnel the gas which they have now already done and then to do want to the building what should they then do. Well the Senate thinking the right thing which is to move the residents vote they may require to strengthen the building we know in some issues Post Road and point in London eventually that are blocked although the strength and then demolished in 1906 and they find a whole series of other issues with the tower block so very very pleased to hear that b.n. Have given the reports to so the case will be and I reacted which is excellent the next stage now it will be decided to keep the flats and strengthen them all will be decided maybe rather investigations that they may require and I thank you very much indeed for making that clear to Sean Smith a director of the Institute for sustainable construction will be straight back with you after the travel. With the b.b.c. 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Radio London your next travel of 830 this. This is not a story that will be forgotten when we see the trucks the things that. There is. To. Tell. What is the key. To get this and you were telling Islam different beasts is b.b.c. Radio one to hit areas of the listener Welcome back to b.b.c. Radio London's breakfast say with me Vanessa Feltz the time 817 it's Friday the 11th of August Welcome to a record breaking breakfast show here for which we thank you you know we do with with huge kisses and cuddles for all and I hope your morning is going swimmingly well you will have if you've been listening to the show in its entirety heard from Jabot his same respect him earlier he was the victim of an acid attack in fact he was the 1st person to be targeted in those 5 acid attacks which you'll remember took place in just one night in East London last month he told me how he's getting on now predictably I walk him mentally I'm not. Abstract at all on the moment. Well the c.p.s. Has now published guidelines on these kinds of cases this is all part of a wider review of guidance on offensive weapons acid attacks and knives and joining me live in the studio I'm delighted to welcome Helen Draycott the c.p.s. Deputy Chief Crown Prosecutor for Crown Court in north London she and her teams have dealt now with far too many acid attacks Good morning to you thanks so much for coming in morning I mean I remember and it was only fairly recently when we barely ever heard of such a thing and then suddenly there seemed to be and I don't wish to inflate it by the words I used but what can I call it a spate let's say rather than an epidemic but a spate of attacks you have had to move to respond to this pretty quickly Well we have we've always had guidance around it but what we've now done is consolidate it and help prosecutors to pick the right charges with particular king to make sure that the courts have got sufficient powers to punish people that are convicted of these terrible offenses and in particular we're focusing on one offense which is an old Victorian offense under the offense against the Person Act which means that even if someone isn't seriously injured the court will still have the option to impose up to a life life sentence so that's a really important section of an old act that we can you that's very into his job as his saying the guy that we spoke to on the show I don't know if you're familiar with him he's the 1st person that was attacked and it turned out I mean insofar as you can call yourself lucky if you've been the victim of an innocent victim of an acid attack but it turned out he had his helmet on you know so that largely protected most of his face he did manage to access water that was very difficult as you can imagine in the middle of the street just in a traffic light you know but he did manage to get woman in water someone in a mini cab he was banging on the windows managed to hand him a small bottle of water and he I don't think is going to be largely disfigured I think he's mostly Ok with those of various scars on his face but the punishment for doing that to him could be a life sentence could it could I mean there's a very useful offense which is the wording is quite arcane but it's basically throwing occur. Those of fluid with an intent to either burn or maim or disfigure disable or cause injury whether or not injuries actually caused So that's really useful from our perspective right so we've now you're telling me and I'm telling London and you're telling London and where we're getting it out there to us where as I'm delighted tell you a record breaking or Dan said that's good but it still unfortunately means that only you and my audience know a mate and me know about this how do we get the potential acid thrower to know this and know listen if you think of doing this to somebody you know even if you miss even if they all wearing a helmet even if you even if you get the bike and not the person you could be banged up for life mate so don't do it how do we get people to know that well that's the really interesting question I mean I think prosecuting for the right offense getting some sentences that mean something to people yes even the papers won't it will be on shows like this so yeah people will start listening if perhaps if they're in a gang or something one of their friends has been involved in this because one of the frightening things here that we're hearing is that the reason that people choose acid variety of different reasons but one of them is easy to come by yeah you know all over the place you know because if you're an adult there was going to stop people saying it you can you can pick it up or anywhere and it doesn't cost very much money and that's and it's easy to to get into places with liquid in a Bottle people think it's water or they think it's a drink or whatever so we need people to know don't we're not using the cheap option you're choosing the potential life's sentence option and Yes Yes The other thing as well to talk about is that we will prosecute people who are carrying acid or other corrosive liquids in bottles right as a possession of an offensive weapon so even before they get to the point of using it when others you've got to look at the evidence all together and have to we have to prove an intent to injure yes if you've decanted acid into a squeeze bottle or something you know acid is bought is not generally with a child yes you know for a very reason to stop it being easily opened if you have to counted it if you're wandering around with that in suspicious circumstances then you can be prosecuted for possession offensive weapon All right. I'm going to bring you into are that the whole Rina of knife crime not knife crime is and is a is almost a daily subject on this program and you know yesterday we were talking about 2 teenagers being fatally stabbed in 24 hours and one of the things that my listeners often say on the show is we want a knife crime to be to mean it must mean you know 10 years in prison immediately or 20 or life or something we've got to have a message that gets out there to stop young young boys usually using knives in this way I mean you appreciate that as a c.p.s. We prosecute cases we don't sentence them no we don't set the law round what the sentence is or ought to be but in the way in which you've done what you've done with acid tests what's going on with knives we're very interested in making sure that we prosecute the right cases I mean the police will investigate cases and if they come to us with cases involving knives are the use of knives or just carrying knives we take those really seriously and we've got plenty of guidance on that we've had that for some time so what is it just just so we know what's going on what is the guidance on carrying a knife if you carry a knife then it can be a possession of other offensive weapon or related articles and that can carry up to 4 years imprisonment in the crown court and if you use it if you use it then it depends what happens but I mean that's anything as we know tragically from murder attempted murder Section 18 all of those clearly carry life imprisonment so if you use a knife and you cause injury yes then your risk of you know very serious prosecution for a very serious offense and we have this this this in the situation which we hear about all the time which is young people being told by those in authority teach headmasters parents social workers doctors also policeman don't carry a knife because if you do you are more likely to end up being stabbed you know don't don't do it the temptation is you'll use it or someone else will use a knife if they got one exactly but we also hear of young people feeling that this is counter-intuitive they don't feel more safe without a knife they feel more say. With a knife Yes specially as they know that this guy over there is gone one and that guy over there might have one and this fellow there has threatened them with a knife so it's a situation where where we feel that I think we're right in saying progress is far from being made in fact the situation is getting worse I think that may be right I mean in terms of the c.p.s. History with prosecuting Yes is that it sounds from what you're saying it's a bigger issue around society generally yes a session of now if you ever feel as if you're fighting a losing battle with these matters. I don't know about or losing but I mean if you're prosecuting and really the sentence is a bit feeble the message isn't getting through what you're doing your work and your adhering to and imposing the lorgnette it's not really making much of an imprint on behavior. I don't know I don't feel like good so what do you feel about I mean just to touch on the acid attacks can I say that you know my prosecutor tell me all sorts of cases over the years I don't think I've ever seen them so shocked really by by a type of offense yes I mean not only the incredible consequences life changing consequences to victims but also the mentality of people that would do that to somebody so it was been a revelation to me in a way that however experienced people are whatever they've seen Yeah actually we're all still capable and we've been really shocked I've got to tell you my phone with my listeners have been but they exactly say they've just been phoning in saying this is completely poor we don't understand it as the main thing people are saying why would you do this and in fact Jabot is saying that the guy who was the target victim of that 1st acid attack that night said I don't understand he said why don't they just steal my bike you know if they want to my moped when they take it you know when they push me off it why would they want to scold me for life why and I can't I don't know what to say it's an extraordinary event yet it needs to be dealt with really Syriana and that the kind of correlation between the moped and scoring some of life is is incomprehensible to I think almost everybody listening to this we know that that the net value measured up against the damage you've done doesn't make any sense and you feel the same I mean absolutely feel the same and yeah the prosecutors feel that and we don't directly deal with the victims of the police do but we've certainly seen photographs in mathematical Yasser. I mean it is it is shocking we've had several victims of loss of Yeah yeah I have read just corrosive injuries and just disfiguring tempo shal you walk around with a badge of the attack for the rest of your life branded a live you for us and we want it was a like I mean it's and that's so ordinary said so so let's just repeat exam so pleased to have you here I do want to I don't want anyone to waste this opportunity of hearing what you're doing at the c.p.s. So loudly and clearly you know clearly you're not proclaiming if you carry acid you've discounted into a different sort of bottle new just holding it than you might end up with want yes you might end up being prosecuted possession of offensive weapon now we have to prove an intent to injure So we have to look at all the surrounding evidence but we are looking very seriously at that although the magistrates have got power to sentence that my experience lately is that they're not they're going to up to the Crown Court where someone can get up to 4 years in prison so you know that's really important to really know you know wrong and if you should throw the stuff if you throw the stuff then you risk of being prosecuted for an offense that carries up to life imprisonment thank you very much indeed we're so pleased you came in and I hope that message does get out there that's Helen Draycott there the c.p.s. Deputy Chief Crown Prosecutor for Crown Court in north London don't to camp acid into any kind of vessel don't do it because if you do it why would you have done that the only reason that they're going to find is that you did it because you were trying to do something nefarious and vile with it so don't do that you could have 4 years in prison if you think about trying it you could end up in prison for life thank you very much indeed and you see Martin here with a much jolly subject which is the weather in the sun is smiling upon London today hello good morning yes we have got some sunshine around this morning a little bit more in the way of stubborn counter further east you are but yes to my sunshine to begin with and then we've got a weather front coming in from the northwest so we are looking at the day becoming increasingly cloudy with machinery outbreaks of rain temperatures today reached him around 20 degrees Celsius it will turn increasingly breezy as well as we made through the day yes and then through this evening and overnight fairly cloudy some showery outbreaks of rain and drizzle temperatures falling when Ivan. Around 14 degrees Celsius and then a fairly cloudy starts the day tomorrow some showers outbreaks of light rain and drizzle 1st thing that would tend to bright not so things and sunny spells into the afternoon and there is just the risk of seeing the old isolated shower but I think most of us staying dry you have to be fairly on lucky to see one tomorrow with highs of around 22 degrees Celsius and a fresh start to the day on Sunday and Sunday looks largely dry and bright perfect thank you very much indeed Lucy let's go to Maureen he's on the line implants their home Maureen Hello good morning this is a very somber subject you're calling about today because Ronan Point which is the the block of flats in which there was that gas explosion 4 people lost their lives you remember the whole thing still really fresh in my mind and while it still brings back shivers down my spine because we lived directly beyond run important in my Senate in Britain roading customers that seasick Spain and at that time when there were stone floors Yeah and the bed literally went off the floor jump but it didn't like Fred nothing like Fred so I got up ran to the window yeah I remember a flash I remember a flash and it whether it was a flash or the bang that what we are ran to the window looked out and I couldn't believe it I saw the the floors of the flat coming down like a pack of cards and they were sliding off of rods it looked as if there was only a little single wall at the edge keeping the floors on yeah and the floors were old by a couple of rods it looked like and I would slide in like slow motion 123 on top of each other all the way down with the furniture coming down as well. Joe they piled up at the bottom that they at the bottom of the flat I couldn't believe it I thought I'm not dreaming this is early hours of morning and luck had not underage were killed there I mean yet I think for people I said lost their lives but it was unbelievable what they did afterwards they reinforced all the flats reinforced all the floors gave them all a. Fire doors because Fred's mom and dad lived in the next and I see and they did all that did all the reinforcements cost thousands millions I should imagine and then within a couple of years not the whole lot down and said Right no more high rise flats Well that's a joke I mean look around now yes exactly double the heights now it was so scary and I think if I can still remember that picture in my mind which makes me shake now and shiver What must this one this gone viral must have done to the people you know that looked and saw it let alone the people that were in it what it do to then they were in it I don't hear ever leave you never leave you. I can't see the reason for going higher and higher it doesn't make sense to me whatever the reason is is need to dig it all paid me I get Mary Boleyn save land and save costs but and also of course we say that on the luxury end of the market it is the you know the the the gherkin and all those those those desirable buildings and people desperate living they will say go up you know 20 somethings always living and they're paying huge amounts millions and millions of pounds to live way up in the air like that raising like you did an interactive way of living is not something that only the poor do it something also the rich choose to do but don't any of us think when there is problems I know when Fred's mom and dad lived in them they always had problems with water always the problems of water you know how are they dealing with this. If there's going to be a shortage reporter tell you what the point is where they wouldn't get up to that said I just couldn't reach and also if they were only 12 high then yeah I think it was 12 when much more than that. And now they're doing double that what happens if there's a drought you can't get to what happened. Ok years ago there were a standpipe in the road that people connect with them part of people that live in 24 hour exactly Maureen I have to stop you my darling is looking into the news headlines a little late thank you so much they for calling on him plus he remembers the rain in point explosion you might remember yourself they literally was shaking in their beds will be straight back with you after the news headlines. 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So southbound from Junction 8 to 6 the village down to well in Garden City following the earlier collision on the m 25 the clockwise exit slip is down to one lane junction 11 Chertsey following a broken down lorry and that's adding to delay is caused by the earlier obstruction in the carriage way sparks b.b.c. Radio London you next travel at quarter to 9. Coming up on b.b.c. Radio London's breakfast show with me Vanessa Feltz How about this for a headline parakeet urged to knock invaders off their perch you know what I'm talking about specially if you live in bonds or rich. And especially if you frequent Hampstead Heath I'm talking about those hosts of emerald colored parakeets ensure they're noisy they've got a lot to say for themselves and yes they're not indigenous we know that with and natively great parakeets in this country but boy in a beautiful home a shocking and I'm expected out a fabulous real look up and there is a tree full of bright green parakeets and they are having a good old chat and gossip and they're doing it right here in London is Jimmy Hendrix the person responsible is it Humphrey Bogart and Katherine Hepburn did they escape from the set of the movie African Queen and do we want them to be call'd because they're not native to London like cost 020-722-4000 extension 0 we'll be talking about the parakeets after the sport with Matthew Schofield. Was a. 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Championship. Win just thankful to me extraordinary city think. Is London was one of the best places to live in a far better place in the capital base is b.b.c. Radio love to Vanessa Feltz. See you know how it happened you just flicking through the paper suddenly you see a story it stops you in your tracks you catch your breath in horror Surely this can't be true you think this is that headline it is in the Times today it is page what is it is paid 13 and this is what it says parakeet Col urged to not invaders off there now you don't have to be a young ornithologist although I was but you don't have to be to know even an old one of them just to know about our wonderful green through locks of parakeets here in London their origin is is shrouded in mystery but also cloaked in glamour was it Jimmy Hendrix who inadvertently unleashed them upon the capital as they fled one of his pulp videos Was it indeed. How God who just looked to his side for a 2nd coughed and when he looked up a whole lot of them had escaped the set of African Queen was it Katharine Hepburn who was just adjusting the crease and have trousers when suddenly she looked away and those parents went flying out the window whoever it was Don't we have cause to bless them don't we love it when we look up and behold a host of emerald Parichay chattering in a clattering in a tree in Richmond or bonds or Hampstead Heath don't we love them cold the parakeets a My Space to be objective about this what a terrible idea let us talk to David our lamb but director of bird brain u.k. Ltd an ornithologist my favorite kind of person David good morning good morning Vanessa Listen David I've declared my hand I'm not allowed to do that on this program I'm expressly forbidden but on the subject of parakeets I just can't be neutral we love them don't we there in absolute positive adornment in Dec or. To London life by some at least by some really what I mean by some at least what kind of come much in the character would dislike an emerald green parakeet do you think you're any good to see on this in the zoo or on an exotic holiday in sunny comes flapping in to come and then we will think it's a miracle Nola 1st I mean I'm of the opposite spectrum to yourself. Why did you. Well the top is a non-native species and when you introduce a non-native species into any environment this kind of the impact on the native species and we've already encountered this with a lot of the trees suffered a lot of damage from the parakeets because they were fired through the clear holes and not from the trees and so forth cause a lot damage have been told not to treat them as some of the rural parts of that descent caused by the parakeets I'm not sure about small flocks with whom about large trucks will descend in these areas and cause instant damage to them which of the trees are they pick on and not exactly specifically been told exactly which one has seen them strip stuff from the magnolia trees some of the trees are saying the main quite a lot as well as some of the non-native trees aren't such an important issues facing native ones we should be concerned about there's also some evidence of. Species as well. Tree nesting species in holes I'd say they were time I have an effect on all things which are of course we would love an adult more than any. Other species such as another. Miniature looking woodpecker and stuff like that just as well which is also another a tree nesting species I mean you know it sounds to be Brick City and to me you know they're not natives they get rid of them it lets like a week they did they were born and bred here would have course they were be. They've been flying around if the last one nearly 50 years isn't it minimum so it's not as if they just arrived recently and they have a new area of eastern we're looking at them thinking gosh you strange is how did you pitch up here born and bred here just like you are not David. Won't claim I want to be important to the. Human intervention which is cause him to be here and we should learn about such poetic intervention Jimi Hendrix is the coolest why I'm free Bogart is the coolest God I didn't just come over him in some kind of cargo of a fruitless I mean they came here was kind of in Hollywood style and they were unleashed in this this flamboyant way and they have they have enormously added to the character of London admittedly because they're not supposed to be but that's what's a fabulous about it isn't it well not really I mean probable to demonstrate cause and you're looking at a population of $120000.00 that's a large number probably into an ecosystem and of course now they have released any known a species into you can you be actually breaking the law because outsourcing is illegal and needs to be controlled and a lot but that's why I think it sounds a bit break situation doesn't it in philosophy anything new anything that's not born there and but we but but so so when you say a col I mean I hate that word is a horrible word I feel a bit like Brian May be talking about badges you know don't collar badges and God save up parakeets and when you say a couple what do you mean by by what sort of percentage would you like to reduce the population of green packets in London on some species there were to some by 100 percent. Then as you can get if you look at an awful lot you want to complete a complete annihilation of the whole parakeet population Parakey population that is very well and then normal. Indian continent region that they bring but they do so well here they love it that's why there are so many to say the detriment of our own wild ride. And once they start moving further afield if they start encroaching into people's crops and stuff like that because massive damage at in their native breeding grounds to crop so you would have big issues with farmers that if we were going to show we would have already had them and we haven't had them or no you see what happens is that the population starter for a small you go back to the eighty's when I 1st saw it was in the late seventy's the eighty's you had to go into the deepest parts of Richmond and Chizik to try and find a parking so very restricted range as we progressed through the eighty's a number started swatting little bit then when we hit the ninety's it was like a pandemic that just but a lot was for the stretched all the way out round places like north west London and then in places like Hampstead Heath now through the 2005 going all the way around the southern end of London to incorporate the whole London single part and she don't get Tell me something who is it the decrees Yes there's a Calo No there's no on and who is it the decrees it will be a swindling in total annihilation and who says I will let 20 percent of them remain you who chooses this typing who is there for the director who might do this whether with the scientists Natural England the film that you would be the one to the scene where we would need to intervene and do it think about them knowing that when you take any notice of my listeners if they ring in say we love our parakeet don't do this or listen to them but I want to change my view. Well that's what's the point of listening if you already know you won't change again there's no mind where if you look at some of the best lack all conviction Well the worst of full of passionate intensity you have to listen with a view to potentially changing your view we should learn from our previous mistakes you want to go look at the issues we've had with. No native population in this country or go around killing lots of our birds about a parakeet don't do their mate a few the odd knots in and but have a pick at a magnolia tree but I mean apart from David Darrell Abbott the director of bird brain you case very very anti our green parakeets they make get rid of every single one of them do give us a call do take to the phones on the subject the parakeet if you listen I'm not going to shut shout or shoot you down if you don't like them you can jolly well say so that's fine entitled to have your point of view I may not agree otu 72242000 ring about the parakeets please and we'll be straight back with you after the travel. London people. Probably go later but not. With the b.b.c. Radio London travel we've got on the public transport front Southern trains between Milton Keynes Central and East Croydon between London Bridge and back then junction disrupted due to a train crew shortage ticket excepted on London Midland southeastern trains on the underground dam link 7 turns into the got with Express running with delays of 15 minutes from the points found out because airport South-Eastern on the extra trains to Stratford for the athletic events and Hoxton is no step free access to the southbound overground platform due to a faulty lift now we're getting reports of electrical problems between Ashford an eps late and that name may mean potential delays in the southeast and high speed service and also for Euro Star in Vauxhall nylons line is closed westbound revokes will cross the pond and road following an accident congestion on all approaches in the. Area including South Lambert road the ones with road Kennington lane and voxel bridge East London 2 lane still closed eastbound on the i 13 at the Canning Town flyover following an accident involving a motorbike used back along the East India Dock Road and in Islam turn up a street still down to one then southbound at white line straight falling accident by the angel with delays back to the Internet ringing up a sponsor b.b.c. Radio London your next travel at 9 this is London there's so much to the city if you came into my house you see children smiling. Our study is just fantastic we moved rapidly reggae going on in park is cosmopolitan. You can 350 different language groups I'm passionate about it I absolutely love growing them in the people in the cities London this is b.b.c. Radio London. The listener what do you think when you had this introduction. Do you start to sway maybe even start to dance the party not everyone's all that keen a protest is taking place this morning in a residential area near Waterloo but there's a plans to build a temporary venue that will host a new mommy asked spin off show Abba song writer beyond Vegas has applied for planning permission to recreate a Greek to on land destined for social housing and the reports about the cafes then now so I'm here just a stone's throw from Waterloo Station just at the junction of Stamford strays armed Cornwall road and you're not able to miss a group of protesters who are here and one of their banners says we need homes not parties now Barry Hetherington is here with me Barry just tell me what are you protesting about we're protesting that Toady is appropriate you did. This so. It was interesting to come through community building many years ago. And primary for social housing. However they now plan to put my money at a party right the corner here in the middle of a residential what is wrong with our well what it will be roughly 30000 people a week coming at 1 o'clock at night after being in there for 5 hours and saving out and singing me. And I don't need to pay to picture for anybody in the u.k. Of what that would mean to all the residents in the city and we are though a stone's throw from Waterloo with lots of pubs bars and restaurants in this area where in central London in zone one is not this not to be expected that we have a certain amount of football colleague here people returning from your time back pretending to be coming back from the National Theatre the concert hall and you do get a little bit of noise from time to time has recently been a night job I don't want to leave and that's because increasingly a few months this is a 180 different scale this will be far easier for me a. Nice. Totally new to children and sleeping above our street here if you look around you you have Kings College residential Ferdie's post tragic students turn up here until 2 in the morning working on their computer study this is or 20 far and be directly across the road so the worry is that people will be disturbed Muzzy you're here as well if you're a local resident. Do you want to happen what do you want to see this yard turned into we want the yard to be turned into some form of social housing or community use the line screening chief needed 2 decades now and calls for community builders of completely unfulfilled the requirements of the local community a. Desperate need of housing and again going back to what I was studying just by James. 50 yards away from the interest was not taught you start school secondary school or September we have hundreds of bike races fountains of students in the media this is a wholly unacceptable use of a social space community builders What would your message be to coin Street community builders that narrow base adjacent to Troy the occupation has to go out of which start small protests and became a crowd funding. Trouble if you don't like it I we were going to we're going to push this out there and get as much like you suppose possible well join us on the program and listen to that Louise King from Queen Street community builders who own the land Luisa protests to say they want people coming back singing Mama may air at the tops of their voices at a late at night when the children are trying to sleep in these diligent students from King's College or slaving over their feces which apparently is what they do that time of the night. We recognize that local residents are concerned about visitor management and we've been working with the nominee of the party tame to ensure that the space is properly managed particularly regarding guests arriving in leaving its will bring and we think it's exciting temporary 8th it's creative it's interesting it's going to bring 50 jobs these are going to be advertised locally and we're working with the team behind it to arrange use of the space the community activities at times when it's not open to the public and this will include opportunities for young people to have hands on experience on lighting and sound equipment so we think this is a more interesting temporary ace in this point until we're ready to develop it on a permanent basis and we we've obviously had some resonance with this bit of land has been empty for years also who has been promised for it in on it nothing's ever happened how long have you owned it your company we were social enterprise so the income generated from a youth such as this this will go into help support the community activities that we do research of our youth clubs and family support sessions or summer camps we own and manage about 13 acres on the South Bank which includes we've developed $220.00 affordable homes social homes runs housing cooperatives and we've got family in children's center and a whole range of activities only yesterday our community team was providing afternoon tea on about $420.00 of our seniors yesterday so the income that this will generate apart from providing the job it will also allow us to do even more of those sorts of activities Louise you think you are you've got the wrong people going on here because you're being represented as some great big multi-billion dollar conglomerate hoovering up cash from the local community by plunking down. An Abba musical tribute but really your social enterprise and everything that you generate goes back into the community how can they be so angry with you if that's what you're for and that's what you do. They need to come participate in some of the activities that we do day and we've been active in the area for many years and we feel we've done we've developed well and we've got some great activities going on so a wide range of you know across the wider community say but but but maybe it's not out there because it sounds as if the people protesting today feel as if that battling some big faceless all agog rather than the local social enterprise that puts on you've got to if it isn't and you know looks off to children is really hoping that whatever you get from Abbott the party will be used to benefit the community more you seem to be I seem to be out there putting your case for you here I mean I'm I'm explaining how great you are and how fabulous you're going to be the money but I mean that's that's partly because I am equally surprised I had not realised you were a social enterprise I hadn't realised that you were intending to plough that money whatever you raise in might be a nice gratifying amount mightn't it back into the community and I don't know whether that message is getting out but I mean the concert being a lot of consultation that's been taking place since my about this prize so there's thing we have a quarterly meeting that's held on knighthood center chaired by our like Len pay and attended by board councils it's been presented at that there's been some residence during that consultation period and the team behind this proposal has made changing including closing earlier you know reducing the carbon footprint of the temperature I need. And we you know we think it's a it's a temporary Yes it's you know the permanent isa this point will be sized to of the Neighborhood Center we're not ready to develop that yet so you're going to you hope you're not going to be finally facing your Waterloo. Exactly well thank you very much indeed Louise King Coyne Street community builders I mean the clue really is the key in the title here they're not trying to rip off the residents they're trying to raise money with this of the party sponsored by. And they're trying to do it to to put money back into the community which is what they're for they're not trying to put up blocks of luxury flats that's not them a tall complete Di dentity switch here so if you live nearby How do you feel that once you know that you feel better about it and you think what is any of the temporary you know Abba the musical Not too bad just about tolerate the songs and you know Ok they're going to be making some cash and then you'll see the net result of the cash it won't be such a bad thing maybe you feel I don't know maybe you don't like coming up after 9 o'clock at the latest from Leopard towers were residents have been told they will have to leave their homes following safety checks in the wake of the Graham for fire and of course your calls on the parakeets in London a potential 100 percent call a tall annihilation pop apocalyptic destruction for the green parakeets of London why because they weren't originally born here they've been here for a good 50 odd years I've been here long enough I've made to acquire native state is what do you think of my being ridiculously sentimental about them or do you love the sight of those green parakeets you give us a call tell us what you think or 2 or 7 to 40000 who will be straight back with you after the news the travelling weather at 9 o'clock. To a Radio London travel on Oxford Circus It looks as if the smoke is affecting one of the carriages down there so no service officially on the back of the line between of the gas and Harold Wilson North boundaries the fire a lot of Oxford Circus but it certainly looks as if there's some kind of smoke problem there people are being a fuck you waited from the station Simon tweeted in to b.b.c. Travel a lot saying the chips are not stopping there and he can see and smell spoke and Scott Jones tweeted into b.b.c. Travel about so many pictures on Twitter of what looks like. Carriage with smoke issuing for out of the door so there's quite a lot of. Vacuum going on out hopefully I'll have more details about half an hour's time but it certainly looks as if it's not just a foreigner but there is a smoke problem down there in Vauxhall mines lane is closed westbound from voxel crossed Ponton road following a serious accident congestion all purchased in the area including South Lambert road which spotted a 3 the ones with road which spatter Larkhall park Kennington lane is heavy on voxel bridge southbound is cueing from the north side of the river rust skeins we get into b.b.c. Town without saying all approach to Vauxhall in fact solid and taking additional 30 minutes to get through and eastbound lays on the a 13 at Canning Town flyover following an accident involving a motorbike with keys back on the East India Dock Road the response b.b.c. Radio London you next travelled at 930. On digital radio and c b. C 4.9 at London's graziers station. B.b.c. Radio launder. London's News 9 Matthew Schofield Souther Council has written to almost $250.00 households on an estate in Peckham telling them their gas supplies being switched off found in the longer term they'll have to leave their flats we had a resident come to us worried about cracks in the property so we decided for structural reports on the state of the property and yesterday we heard there was a potential issue with the gas supply and made the decision to cut it off immediately a survey ordered in the wake of the fire a grand old tower found cracks in the walls of the 4 legged Bre towers which the council's deputy leader Stephanie Cryan says leaves them vulnerable to collapse in the event of a gas explosion but b.b.c. Radio London's Jason Rosen who's on the estate this morning says the letter delivered to residents last night. This resulted in lots of confusion I'm hearing that residents have been complaining about cracking and problems in the building for a very long time I've spoken to a couple this morning just going out on their way to work they said they didn't even know about it there was another woman who said she got the letter but she doesn't seem to realize that she will be evacuated she seems to think that should be able to stay inside the block so bit of confusion here this morning at Lebron towers in Peckham just of the road in the last few minutes Oxford Circus tube station has been closed and the entire Bakerloo line suspended due to a fire alert pictures on social media appear to show smoke coming from a train We'll bring you more as soon as we have it the body that regulate charities says less than 3000000 pounds of the nearly 19000000 that was raised after the Grunfeld tower fire has been distributed so far there's growing anger in North Kensington where some people have accused charities of not being completely transparent but the Charity Commission says charities want to work with survivors and victims' families to discuss how the remaining funds should be spent long term the u.s. Defense secretary says Washington's efforts to resolve the crisis over North Korea's nuclear program are still being led by diplomacy and armed conflict would be catastrophic James Mattis was speaking of the President Trump said his threat to unleash fire and fury might not have been tough enough but he said Pyongyang should be very very nervous if it does anything to the u.s. Mr Trump's deputy assistant Sebastien Gorka says North Korea should take the president's warnings seriously nobody should test Donald Trump if they do they will pay a price maker into their words rematches if you challenge the most powerful nation in the world militarily you will lose that is not bluster that is a fact a statement of hard cold fact here a former head of m I 5 has warned the Islamist terror threat facing. Britain could persist for decades in a b.b.c. Interview Lord Evans also said Russia is likely to be trying to interfere in the U.K.'s democracy but he believes Islamist terror is still the most severe threat where at least 20 years into this my guess is that we will still be dealing with the long tail in another 20 years time I think this is genuinely a generational problem I think that we are going to be facing 2030 years of terrorist threats and therefore we need absolutely critically to perseverance detectives investigating the murder of a 15 year old boy in a Croydon on Tuesday night say the 3 men who attacked him were wearing balaclavas and armed with knives and a machete Jermain group or was stabbed near a convenience store in Fortan Heath his family say he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and the police are appealing for his friends who were with him to come forward the food standards agency insists there's no cause for alarm after it emerged as many as 700000 contaminated eggs have been imported from the Netherlands they've gone into processed foods like sandwich fillings and mayonnaise and supermarkets across the country have taken some salads and sandwiches off the shelves as a precaution had the Hancock is the chair of the Food Standards Agency the risk to anyone's health as a result of this is very low it's highly unlikely there is any health impact at all from eating these eggs that's partly because they are in products which are already they've already in process these aren't eggs that are in people's faces in the u.k. These are eggs that have gone into the food chain and the level of risk to public health is very low don't want anybody to be worried about that they don't need to worry about these eggs in S'pore Premier League football is back tonight and it's Arsenal who kick off the new season against the 2016 Champions Leicester at the Emirates a new m Smith and your Mitchell Blake says he feels like he let the nation down after he just missed out on a medal in the men's 200 meters at the World Athletics Championships Meanwhile hoping to. Tina Asher Smith has qualified for the women's 200 meters final tonight just 6 months after she broke her foot now Lucy Martin has London's weather sunshine and British guys to start the day today but it won't last cloud will push in from the northwest as we may through into the afternoon some showery outbreaks of rain into the saving temperatures reaching a maximum of 20 degrees Celsius will see the breeze picking up as well of a night fairly cloudy some sherry outbreaks of rain and drizzle overnight lazed around 14 degrees Celsius a fairly cloudy start to the day tomorrow Well again that cloud could be thick enough to produce some drizzle fast thing but it will thin and bright enough some sunny spells as you may have into the afternoon highs of 20 degree Celsius b.b.c. Radio London it's 6 minutes past mine. Born and bred south London and I'm proud that this is longer. To many people is true because this is the place to be the day this is b.b.c. Radio love to Vanessa Feltz. 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Radio and a record breaking breakfast shows any record breaking because of you really thank you so much if you're new Listen to welcome and get on the phones because we'd love to hear from you 020-072-2420 extension 00 that is the number if you want to call particular about the green parakeet population which is now under threat of a total Col absolute Armageddon for a beautiful green parakeets here in London if you'd like to see the back of them you can certainly ring up and say so to a 72 to 40000 if you cherish them now you could ring up and say that to save green park eat 820-072-2420 extension 00 you simply ring that number we've got lovely people on seeing the face today we've got the handsome and debonair Jesse we've got the elegant in Swan a Robbie they are so charming you might want to ring up just have a chat with them because they really are very nice young gentleman and they really are gentle gentlemen they're very very understanding empathetic that's why we. It shows him in very good fun as well so you may want to ring up and just say hi this morning and talk to them and then they call you back on your phone and that's how you end up on the radio but let me 1st bring you our top London story today hundreds of residents of 4 tower blocks in Peckham have been told that gas supplies been switched off and in the longer term they'll have to move out temporarily off to structural problems were found some other council says a survey which was ordered in the wake of the fire a gram of tower found cracks in the walls of the Lepi towers leaving them vulnerable to collapse in the event of a gas explosion councillor Stephanie crimes the deputy leader cabinet member for housing it's on the council and I asked her Is this the 1st time that the council has heard of problems at the Ledbury a state that looks kind to suffer cumulate itis I mean. In the time since we've had the meat since the eighty's the effort has been a history of that and so when he said to the council there are big cracks either side of my front door there are cracks looking down into the flat below there are a crack can see through my own wall no one said that I think there have been reports of leaks and cracks which we react to every panel and I mean I have been rippin have been. Reactive repairs and I think in a lot of great form See we look at things totally differently and quite rightly we have to look at things totally differently now i Reporter Jason Rosen is in Peckham this morning Jason good morning yeah I mean that's what I've been hearing Vanessa residents telling me they've been complaining to us of the council about all of this for about up to 20 years these cracks some of them so big you can put your hand through the walls been here for a very long time this is state was built in the late 1960 s. The blocks are similar to Ronan point in coming town and some of you who are old enough may remember that block collapsed after a gas explosion in 1964 people died there and after that disaster there were major changes in building regulations and London council blocks was strengthened after that disaster under government order it seems here in Southern this state the liberal state that never happened and 40 years later here we are we have a. Didn't say with no hot water today no cooking facilities and the prospects of having to leave completely Council are setting up an information center in a community hall opposite the estate they'll be handing out hot plates there so residents can cook meals and I've been speaking to a resident of 45 years Doris just a little bit I've been here 45 years on Monday I doubt one of the. Electric cooker. Stops in the. Next you are eventually going to ask me how I think I've gone over the top. What happened. Mind you we haven't got. Time. I mean I'm nearly 5 and I could. Not move somewhere maybe somewhere and I like it better than it but I can't say because you know if. The road if I'm not there a certain time. I'm all right so it's a nice community that oh yeah. We're listening to that is beyond a hill in Peter church house which is one of the towers she's listening with her 9 year old son Zach Honda Good morning to you good morning how how aware have you been of these cracks in the building and how concerned have you been about them. Moved here 7 years ago and within a year I was contacting the council regarding the cracks Why were you saying because you know when I had the counsellor the commission of the housing in the in the studio right in front of me this morning I said have you been aware of this have you been contacted by residents she said this was pretty much the 1st she'd heard of it. Well that's a load of rubbish because some people have been complaining for 30 years. 5 years ago Eventually they came out to repair the cracks in my 2 children's bedroom bedrooms Yes I wanted to just tell us how big the cracks are because I keep wondering what worrying that my listeners think I'm exaggerating when I say you could stick your fist through them because you could write you cat in some properties you can put your hand through to the next door. Cos you can have a sleepover without moving in Blimey so so vulgar What were you worried about obviously nobody wants to be able to see the neighbor who or what has he neighbor is I suppose but they're a crack him of being low but he wants to know of any privacy nobody wants the draft apart from anything else rattling through their home but why are you all so concerned about about gas explosions did you did you know about that block all those years earlier. I mean I don't have a. Car for the reason for the simple fact is a tower refused to have one wow. Because I'd lived in Tower wrote previously and knew there was a no gas policy yeah. So I had an electrical cord from when I moved in. But you know we've got the hot water that's heated boy the gas. Heating if we have another night like the other night where it's cold we can't hate the flat and we've got a 9 year old child and a 6 month old baby we've got a 6 month old baby is one of my course so the gas has been turned off as of today that now you're going to be given a home plate and the word that the council is using I didn't if you're familiar either with the fact that they using it or what the heck it means but they keep using the wood to can't you're going to be decanted Vonda How do you feel about being to candid. We will get to be met well to be honest on the 29th of June we were told if it wasn't for the fire wardens are all nice try we would have been decanted there and then. Right and now you're told you definitely have been that way decanted but they don't know when it's going to be gradual and until then you'll have to make do with the flippin plates in and I don't know what will you do when the kettle furball we've been told we can use a local leisure centers to shower with a 6 month old baby in a 9 year old a new one everything and I love the lovely listener Ellie who's 84 years old yet I don't know how I'm going over with. To you to try and have a both at the local leisure center 9 year old autistic so that won't work it's not going to tell me what's going to happen to you as of right now. As of right now I don't know I mean where we've been put in Priory housing we're in by and warm we can be like everyone else for priority housing but they sue 100. 20 full flat yes. Do you want to move I mean would you like to move will really if the if the if the cracks were sealed and the and the gas was safe do you like it where you are you happy in those flats I've got a lot of memories here I'd like to see the same time when I look at the safety aspects I need my children somewhere safe. Right so are you going to say to the council decamped to me now I want to be counted I want to be a priority decanting person. There are no priorities and I want to take in priority over anyone else we've just got on the beating system or they're in the middle of purchasing for I think it's for tower blocks yes where the 80 flats going to be a affordable Council right and that we can move there temporarily but with an autistic child I call move and come back I've even got a study or I need to move permanent and that's because familiarity is very important for him isn't it he needs to know where he is you can't bring him here in taking American labor from pillar to post where work tool Please understand that so that's very very difficult for you isn't it with that to take into account your son Zach and your new baby and no home water and cooking off a plane and being able to see in a next door neighbor through the cracks because this a big this isn't how we expect to live in London in 2070 is it. And I've got a disabled husband as well as. A. Foreigner on the sleigh Oh dear so so tell me because one of the things that people don't seem to get yet is you know what decanting means what the time frame means so you know cooking off a hot plate for a week all right you know it could have a whole plate for a mom not very nice cooking of a hot plate for 8 months or a year and a half really not not any good a tool we don't have any sort of time frame on this whatsoever do we. I mean to Canton is an emergency evacuation juge the severity of the problem just tell you that's the opposite of what they told me. Yeah the counselor here who's head of head of housing told me to Candy I said What does the counting mean I thought of something you do with liquid usually a brandy or a whisky very gently into a crystal glass she said it means phasing and gently and gradually taking people out of the flats rather than saying as they did in Camden to the child state people right you've got to come out right now Come on quick back case so it's not going to be quick and it's not going to be a agent according to her. I mean you could be down there on 3 I don't know this doesn't seem to be any end to it all beginning either well they're they're offering us $5100.00 pound to move plus removal costs they'll supply the boxes bubble wrap someone to pack for us but will they supply the place are you going to go to. That we've got a white say we've got a bead on the council it's like everybody else. I mean I just don't even really know in real terms or terms of actual time what that means the you do you the letter we go last noice say we became decanted over the next few weeks. Ok that's not the impression I got I didn't get any impression a few weeks I go impression it could take really something of a long time but it could just be that decanting say floored me that nobody really knows what it means listen I really feel for you want to I really do that very difficult circumstances for you and for everybody else that alongside you I send you a very very best wishes which is pretty feeble What more can I do my you know I feel feel enormously for what we're going through Thank you so much for talking to us and also lots of love to Zac you and there was also listening that morning to you my darling and thanks so much for listening on the radio or Right now I'm joined live in person by b.b.c. Radio London's variant Gary therapy who it turns out has been talking this story for someone like Eric. But the reason this has come out is that after the ground full disaster. We were tossed with to actually go and see if there was problems of the buildings and there's a fire safety expert called on all Tarling who correctly said that Grenfell was caused by problems with the cladding the clotting being flammable and he contacted me and said look you know there's there's a problem with this estate Ledbury So I went down there with him we looked at these gaps in the bowls which I've spoken to you just cried and for me please essentially what you have in each flat or a lot of the flats is you have cracks in the walls and on all tolerating he was able to push up wires between each flat he tested the gaps they essentially mean that fire can spread very rapidly between flat to flat so if you get a foreign one flat it will go up the building in minutes what did you see yourself in terms of these cracks and you see a cracks big enough to put your hand through our fingers fingers you could certainly push fingers into them in the actual Not just kind of in the in the big. Where the door was the fitted in but in no no no in the movies yes yes cracks in the in the corner that you could yeah fixed What are you also between the floors there were some holes as well so you know there's So you said you got smoke or fumes or anything you can smell the people below you and I did you did you see the thing that one of the residents described to us in a structural engineer discussed with us this morning which is when the wind blows the building and the cracks get bigger and smaller That's right yeah that's a big thing as well as in a dangerous world the reason this is happening and this is comes to the core of this issue is because it's built using panels prefabricated panels basically like a pack of cards stacked on top of each other and this was a building technique which emerged in the 1960 s. Because it was cheap it meant social housing could be constructed quickly out of prefabricated panels everyone thought great idea is going to work in London it's have lots of blocks and then Roman point had a partial collapse an explosion in one floor blew out the wall in one flat then all the other flats on that side collapsed as you say like a house of cards literally an absolute miracle that not hundreds of people were killed and the reason that didn't happen is because it happened in the side of the building where the lounges are most people were asleep in their bedrooms which are in the middle Ok now what Arnold Tarling said is that these blocks in that very are very very similar construction and he was appalled and this is why this has come out when we went into the block of flats he discovered gas and he said this is absolutely completely ridiculous when you see discovered gas what do you mean he could say well they don't know he's a far expert right he goes into a building he sees gas supplies he knows it shouldn't be there now the people who live Wait wait wait gas was obviously as we had gone to saying that gas is heating her flat and it's using her water and not to be got gas cookers as well when you say the gas can be they are not implying that it was leaking but that there should have been a gas supply at all what happened after the Roman point disaster was there was an inquiry it was in a government quo. Ari And it said that gas supplies should not be allowed in these buildings unless these buildings passed a pressure test was a bit complex but it's a 5 pound per square inch pressure test otherwise the walls will blow out so what's now happened is that on all Tarling said to the council have you done this test the Council has asked our the engineers if they've done it and it turns out that they have not it has not been done this test in the past history so this building has stand has stood there for all this time with gas in it. Without having this structural integrity this is what seems to have happened these are several buildings right several blocks Well we know there for blogs but what we don't know is how many other blocks there are with gas possibly around the u.k. Knowing a lot of them being built Gareth you remember since Grenfell one of the phrases that we've heard more than any other is lessons will be learned now we've heard that a heck of a lot we've heard that from absolutely everyone the prime minister said it him secretary has said it I think the decal of the Mayor of London has set it off to Ronan Point which unlovely listener Maureen remember so clearly she was almost blown out of a bed the place where they live which was nearby shook so profoundly after the explosion at Ronan point that nobody in the neighborhood wasn't aware of it it was it was it was cataclysmically impactful in its in its in its you know effect on everybody because they could feel it they could see it and 4 people lost their lives and as you say it was a miracle that no more people died now what what do we learn about lessons not learned well I mean this is this is the point there was this disaster there was a series of blocks which had been built in this this way of making a block of flats which may not survive a gas explosion that message went out you should not have gas in there unless there's been a strengthening and now we're learning today oldest time later that we have a block of flats which has got gas in it for some reason now the possible reason is that it was inherited from the g.l.c. Yes that's what they have said yeah I'm going probably a file with a lot of documents and those documents say don't have gas or gas is in here we don't know but somehow it's ended up being handed down to Southern. Got to deal with this problem now now what about this because because you would have thought that when some of the inherited or took on these blocks from the g.l.c. That that file that you're talking about that says absolutely not following rain and point no gas to this building that would have been on the desk when they took over it wouldn't have been lost in the in the in the back wall. Our job will fall in behind the sofa and they wouldn't be aware of it so said I suppose one of the questions that needs to be asked is How much have saw that moan about this and how much of southern turned a blind eye to it have they turned a blind eye because I asked the commission of the housing right here in the chair that you're sitting in now did you know about this I said Have residents as it Granville common complained have counselors complained have you known about this she said pretty much this is the 1st I've heard of it yeah I mean under stories others telling us that they believed that there had been strengthening fitted to this block essentially if you have a pack of cards concrete panels what you're meant to do is strengthen that by a fitting some kind of metal toy to the sides of the panels Yes Are subject believed that that had been done but what they found out with their engineering check is that this may not have been done or if it has been done it's been done wrongly now the timeline for this is that Arnold Tarling said in a public meeting a few weeks ago he stood up I witnessed him doing it he said have you done this 5 pound per square inch pressure test our engineer said no it was after that that the test seems to have been asked for so the question we're asking as journalists and everyone else here has been is you know why has this been allowed to happen and also how can you believe a test to have been done that hasn't been done where are the forms Where's the report where is the evidence that says the test was conducted on this day at this time by such and such you're meant to have that kind of it's not something you take on on on on faith something like that is it well there's another far expert called some web yes who has actually looked into what happened to the Roman point block in the lessons that had to be learned Yeah and what he believes is that there is no law which will pass this test no blood or pass the 5 pound gorilla had any idea what to do at all I realize this is a difficult question and I don't sort of you know any kind of percent. The number of blocks in London because obviously where Radio London not the country beyond which I know could just go on and on forever but but the number of blocks that have been built in this house of cards kind of way with this paneling this cheap paneling that in the sixty's was considered a good idea and now is considered a positive risk if there's gas anywhere near it do we have any idea how common this is somewhere there's a list it's believed to be hundreds but the key point about this is that a lot of them for example I've been told about blocks in Hammersmith have actually not got gas in them Ok now they are safe right but if people are living in blocks which look like this and they've got gas in them then they are correct to be asking questions of the local council and what do you think I mean your journalistic reporting on London stories the same many as what do you think about the fact that this is only been taken seriously 8 weeks off to the Grenfell tower tragedy and and and again I have a council official sitting in front of me saying saying again this phrase I keep on hearing you know ultimately safety the safety of our residents is our key priority and you want to say what what off to Granville submits you key priority what were your other priorities what priority is there more pressing more important more significant to make you feel that the housing with which you provide your residence is safe for them to sleep in at night and as my life my let my listener there we know with an autistic son of 9 a disabled husband a 6 month old baby I mean you know she's she's meant to live that she's meant to be able to sleep at night not be worried sick all night. Isn't the lesson of disasters that often the lessons aren't properly learned Well often people forget about them well locked in the house you know give it 5 years give it 10 years we dealt with it then what we sort of did and then the politicians who are meant to be chasing it they lose office or they leave office and the officials they move on you just one day you've got your list of priorities you know the things you have to do every day when you come into your job at the council things you have to worry about. Be concerned about I'm not saying you're not pressed for time or money I'm not saying you're not very very busy I'm not saying that you're not busily occupied doing stuff but if you list of priorities what could possibly take precedence over safety what else is that keep people alive haven't you that's the main thing and then you can consider every day whether it's going to waste whether to put in double glazing and then you can consider you know refuse disposal and then you can consider whether you can put in the child's playground but but but surely oh you safe or not isn't that the main the main thing the money is really important in all these calculations think about it why did they build these blocks in the 1st Marines it's because they were cheap they could go up quickly they gave people homes people happy in them people who didn't know about the possible dangers remember Ronan pointed only just opened Yes you got a block of flats full of people say What a lovely place to live life and next thing that happens it blows up and then early killed yeah yeah so why aren't lessons learned I think the timeline for this will be the g.l.c. Handover basically the Chelsea was responsible for these blocks some people obviously would have been acutely aware of the possible dangers of these blocks being used in the wrong way then all handed over to various council from London do these councils take this on Probably they do for a while to people get confused just data get lost maybe this is all going to come out well thank you very much indeed. It has that have been several steps ahead of this story if you're living in those blocks now if you will advance in the south that this morning and you're just not sure what's going to happen when it's going to happen how it's going to happen you suddenly find you're going to be decanted but nobody really knows what that means is it very very gradually over a period of moms is it over weeks is it days what you do know is your gas supplies been turned off did you know that you were literally living in a house of cards that that that your your your dwelling we may have been for years decades it was made of a of a of a of a kind of fabric composed in such a way that these cracks of the. Beard and in it the danger of the gas supply could be an explosion taking calls and that this morning also taking calls on the potential cull of London's Queen parakeets one of that coming up after the news headlines. Good morning Suffolk Council has written to almost 250 households on an estate in Peckham telling them their gas supply is being switched off and in the longer term they'll have to leave their flats a survey ordered in the wake of the fire a grandchild tower found cracks in the walls of the 4 lead Bre towers which the council says leaves them vulnerable to collapse if there was a gas explosion Oxford Circus tube station has been closed on the Bakerloo line suspended between Elephant and Castle in Piccadilly Circus due to a fire alert pictures on social media appear to show smoke coming from a baker Line train a b.b.c. Producer who was in the station at the time says she could smell smoke and burning plastic The Transport Police say the fire isn't being treated as suspicious the Charity Commission says so far less than 15 percent of the nearly $19000000.00 pounds raised after the gram photo our fire has been distributed to people who lost their homes and the relatives of those who died it says charities want to work with survivors to discuss how the remaining funds should be spent long term but some people in North Kensington of accused charities of not being completely transparent and the u.s. Defense secretary says Washington's efforts to resolve the crisis over North Korea's nuclear program are still being led by diplomacy and armed conflict would be catastrophic James Mattis was speaking after President Trump said his threat to unleash fire and fury might not have been tough enough and Pyongyang should be very very nervous if it does anything to the u.s. London's weather dry and bright for much of the day some good sunny spells but turning cloudy of the softer noon with some showers the sea evening talk temperatures 22 Celsius or. And he too far and harsh now with the b.b.c. Radio London travel his paper sparks. Things like Hughes you heard on the news Oxford Circus is closed following this morning's fire alert and smoke is was issuing from inside the carriage on the Bakerloo Line platforms and no service northbound on the back of the line a little because of the Piccadilly Circus but of course there's no access to the Victoria or central lines from Oxford Circus at the moment either in nylons line is closed westbound from voxel crossed a pontoon road on a serious accident congestion on all approaches in the area including South Lambeth road which sparked a 3 the ones with road which sparked a lot park and to a lane very busy on Vauxhall Bridge cueing southbound routes 156344461 diversion and Ross Kane was in the area early and tweeted in to say was take him out 30 minutes to get through in East London we had an accident at the Canning Town flyover eastbound on the a 13 it has reopened confirmed by a call from Him who called in on the 207 double 240000 francs for much indeed and we got to an accident on the a 12 now westbound at the George green tunnel in one stead for vehicle accident ingestion back to the North Circular red which roundabout and in is the up a street still down one named southbound following this morning's accident by the angel station with delays to is include green pepper sparks b.b.c. 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You live in a block yourself or that you remember Ronan Point in the explosion and you remember the repercussions of it and you cannot believe that that gas has continued to be supplied to that construction of building when it was made eminently clear straight after the rain and pointing space and in which 4 people lost their lives but in which cars Furby are excellent reporter reminds us that it was a miracle that many many more people didn't die and it turned out the reason they didn't die that only 4 people lost their lives which of course is for people too many was because the fires and the explosion which were rushed rushed through the building in the same way it did it Grenfell actually went through the bit where the the sitting rooms were constructed so the lounges and people were sleep because it was night time they were mostly in the bedrooms That's why 4 people died rather than 40 or $400.00 people lessons were meant to be learned what was meant to be learned you don't supply gas which could explode to buildings constructed in that cheap way out of blocks of of a of a substance which he just described as being a bit like a pack of cards that's one with cracks of appeared in the building let me go to Terry more than stone how Terry thanks for calling Good morning was. The word alphabet a great high there morning well and. Warm. I just can't my cat was a local authorities. About this and that I was 1st on trees where I was directly involved in the transfer of housing back to the ninety's. So we can live as successor to negotiate this transfer. As you can and the jail cities employees I was a local for you know and during that time. We had access to documents every ghost and I know for a fact the old documentation was and. I was fully aware in Aachen one talk retire Hamlet Yes fully aware because we were resident cats I was young and we knew that rocks we knew what was wrong what was wrong Ok what was wrong well are on have blocks and serenades is just so and so is with backup times because quite an eternity and things like electricity hopes access to electricity covers and secure them so people can access them and things of just just things in general yes it would have we we would have issues with chicken and the ticket would have been there that we would have done that would have been logged so if there were complaints coming from. If it is a big hole we are not the model in such case. 'd based on our report that would be and it would be quite poor coding and that was all transferred a lot along with millions of pounds. That was given by the jail say to the local Haris so I could mine sign the properties was that. A lot of the ways all these condos have been set up and they'll cancel the card diminished responsibility. But. As in associations and so on of we don't want to get rid of it. And the person the splits and would not put you right this would be kind of astounding So yes that's that's an excellent point an excellent point yeah yeah yeah I mean obviously he's the guy we need to talk to make sure we do that I didn't whether we stand any hope of getting in on this particular saying you know what it's like in the summer when the way it's hard to get hold of people but you're quite right what do you imagine researchers telling Terry before worrying assume. What you imagine he let mean you know would you imagine he might be able to say Oh RINGBACK it would let you know the. Money's been transferred over and it was an act of parliament. On which there was statutes in place and things like that. And if you go young the g.o.c. L.c.c. In the jail say they will work for use mine tying their properties every 4 to 5 years and then look at their refiled opine is their thing else are things could be identified that the checks be done the care resident can take the work ran and look you know look the same when you change a light bulb I think the only things Unfortunately you haven't got anymore there is not that line anymore on many cancers title nowhere else so. What the thing is is now no cancer carrier. Any minds and it's on buildings arming talk about decoration and things because if you don't protect the fabric of the building this is what happens is there and repairs you know fill cement memory is there to protect it's not this might look nice pre-college it's there to protect . The trick similar. Has not happened in Iran you can see studies now my stay in bed hungry ish this punk's pailful was stunning works I went through to stand with people compile them and make their lives I think it coming from inside and not being looked after and not be in love and you put it down to money is that the thing would you put it down to a lack of will that there aren't sufficiently engaged in inspired counsel officials who are saying safety 1st and also quality of life you know if you're living somewhere in which your baby's bedroom is covered in black mold you're not having any decent quality of life or good stab at a healthy and long life either oh you know and there's many many cases of that as well but what I put it down to is. When we went over to our mates we were only 2 managers we call thing and I kind of want to Mike. One for their selves and overusing area in London is why use of our lives slow the traffic cameras have speed I'm switching. Their staff cameras Recife they said that and they're spending their own things. The. Master or r r c looking after the buildings housing stock from all quite important stories on the road well I think if you might agree with that honestly thank you for calling Terry and seep into things to you and yes can be seen I mean I speak to my producers who are really looking if you drive the book in for as soon as possible Monday morning really and a good idea let's go to Linda in sudden Linda this is about the parakeet cull I mean an ornithologist saying on the program they need to get rid of all the green parakeet Sunanda not supposed to be here in the 1st place what do you think I've shot coeff I think it's all for here I was walking my dog and this morning listening to your radio when I found out when I was going to surf I was flying around and I think they're beautiful up in walkin dogs in this area since her world . Yes and I was found I noticed I'm 66 I noticed parakeet one near there was only one or 2 and I gradually got a lot more and more 530 years ago I have noticed also that the woodpeckers seem to disappear for a while been there but. I really feel that there is a nice thing to hear from you where have you seen them. The London Borough of Sutton Place called Rose Hill the Hans and area hospital so that's a fairly big landmark a cult the word fairly large and you get all sorts of wildlife and there and for the past week of also saying it's either a buzzard or spiral hawk flying around and maybe the parakeets without knowledge of this morning because that kind of each other I will talk about yeah Ok it's beautiful and. I do appreciate the cherry trees all round here as I get annihilated but it's lovely to see how they survive the winter I don't know I just don't know I mean and you you consider it skewed it's going to go. You considered to be a pleasure even though you know they were born and bred here origine it is lovely It's amazing that they are simple as it truly is and they're beautiful noisy but just to see a flock of them flopping around it's lovely That's exactly how I feel I feel like it's incredibly life affirming you just look up there and instead of saying you black bird in your Robin not that we don't love them we love them and you magpie and you pigeon and your and your blue tit if you're really lucky the old the old starling you seeing green Parichay now it's kind of the ad to call in splendid and glamorous and amazing isn't it the woodpeckers have managed to hold their own in this area good for you telling us that I wish I'd known I would have that they want to live just by name that yes I'd like and I don't want to know. Linda thanks so much says Linda in some big fan of the green parakeets big fan of course of the woodpecker who wouldn't be but she says the woodpecker holding it saying they're inside and she can confirm it this is Alan dolphin no no no to the Cullen Parichay it's all we know what the most welcoming of diversity in the world do we not welcome everyone from all countries all colors all religions it would go against everything we stand for in London to reject them I love to see them in the evening sun as they flash across the sky and the green feathers catch the light yes they're not the most pleasant sounding birds I've ever heard but I don't think they can be expanding that rapidly my mom and dad live just over a mile and a half away in Bexley they have a large population of parakeet and have done for years and years we never see any here where we live not one maybe they like a bit more of an upmarket neighborhood and say they stay Bexley and avoid Dartford they're just a bunch of snobs but that's no reason not to let them stay I mean they are a bit snobby there's Parky because they love don't they we ways here bombs they love Chizik they love Richmond they're very keen on and now Hampstead Heath they're very very the less air is in terms of property values maybe not some Could it be that I don't know but they're in Sutton on this Sutton of course on the upper not very much so Allie says when we lived in Putney by the river our garden was frequently visited by. Parakeet We absolutely love them we thought they were colorful and exotic and we felt the same when we soon had them in Richmond thought it would be wrong to cull such beautiful bads Why can't they become a protected species like that song please let us start a petition to save the parakeet and she very kindly said congratulations on the continued success of your sentence very nice of you thank you much appreciated Let's go to a bill in Holloway Bill what you reckon to the parakeet. Is a classic case of Darwinian Darwinism and bowing telling over the sense that no knight is they've been transcribed over here very quickly or whatever such and that literally going from 2 or 3 birds to whole flocks and of course they're watching out all the local wildlife he said they know that they don't wiping out over local wild watch birds of water so should birds of a feather stick together so birds of a size that are like each other give each other the of tech or whatever such. To read a small of such but I don't think they are probably all their own against them but nobody's saying that they're preying on I mean no I would argue is that world that the native population how are they doing if there is striking is what we are wherever they come from which I don't know how are they going to can we transfer some of those birds back I which where they're surprised by the are you joking or not no I'm not joking I'm sure as hell if this is how your day kind of breaks it's an. Eggshell got underway years to be made whole 3 repatch be a scene of the green parakeet and take it back to wherever it can only choose to support the native species when all right but then natives are they doing alright mate didn't we tell you that nature to this country. Does sound a little bit later I'll grant you but if you look at it from. An evolutionary come later point of view yeah well part of the red squirrel Rosko got pushed out by the grey squirrel Yeah because the grayscale was carrying a pox virus and so the red squirrel cannot win if you can see all of what the are. Schools everywhere could not be met and he didn't say that did you didn't fancy staying on the out of out of the wild and sorry Larry David you know you certainly will do me a favor you did not say Did you really. Well with my territory I went to the other when my dad telling selling knickers and you know pajamas invent nor And my father said to me I was 10 years old and show your mettle take in this suitcase of underwear in a day when it's over so yes I don't mind if you don't get an order but you must show the range to the buyer and I did I hold in the suitcase I go I got I got an order there but I wasn't wasn't sorry to get back on the ferry leave it behind. Everyone knows my team is saying that it sounds as if you're saying Bill British jobs for British dads Is that what you're saying. Oh it's not quite because this is also a generational thing of course there's probably about 20 generations or. So they all know you know their native son now they were born and bred to you know that 1st one was I just rolling up post was. Bill good to do it to let me read you this is from Elizabeth He says many minutes of the subject parakeets we have a bird feeder in our garden and throughout the year it's a pleasure to see all the little birds enjoying pecking from it all very relaxing however Oh dear over the past few months we've had parakeets coming to the bird feeder they are so destructive they have fright now the little birds away the parakeets come to 3 of them together and being big birds the bird feeder swings from side to side and they get through the food said quickly I agree they look very lovely and such a gorgeous color green However I understand they're extremely destructive when we see them we go to the bird feeder and they fly away but as soon as we get back into our home back again if they were in your garden you would understand what I'm talking about have a good weekend says Elizabeth thank you very much indeed let's go to Joseph in court and James have a total call of all green parakeets in London. Police telling people stop the I'm trying to tell them I am doing their. Save our parakeet says well I don't care where they were born I don't care what the language they speak I'm not interested they may be green doesn't that mean that birds to still but they greet nice. About it about the parakeet that they are but you know the sayings words of I said it struck to get the idea and guess what the product is good but let me tell you what I live in for Tony I work in which I'm cooking Yes yes every business that drives in down that Mitchum road go into Croydon would go into would like to get to the junction to go to bed in turn 5 yes it's a. City I'm making now it's got the time in the morning that's crazy. You know God I mean Mitch you know abundant right. You've got them in you you've got them and you love it I love them so do I I love them I don't care where I'm at not being objective about them I love them I think I'm obviously in England one Martian I repeat in the world you will not find in England that's right true from every country in the world you will find one person in England who really is none to them like the Badgers believe the birds are loading the parakeets alone exactly what about you know we're on a serious note that they seem to be yet in they saying pushing the little bugs out the way and they're that that you know that they have them knowing away at the magnolia trees and all this kind of things and people are looking for too many little sins to talk about what if you look at the right eye good side they are the small birds and the. Big thing the eggs out of the nest Yeah so all a parent could do is just survive and. You know look at it they are not from this country I mean do you think it was Jimi Hendrix that was the source of them or do you think it was Humphrey Bogart. You know was one of the big do you know it was one or the other you know the other was Jimi Hendrix pop video will pop film or something that Jimi Hendrix was taking body and they escaped from the set that's one and. The nation the other one it was the set of African Queen with Humphrey Bogart and Catherine but no that's what I would see these with the script from somewhere yeah that's where one or the other of those places is already read it as the caller said I wonder when the winter how to do about it that I work again in the winter and I sort of mean when they are right no problem and also to see something emerald green on the British London sky in the winter what a sight I everything's grey and everything's white and suddenly these bright green green Rickey's is amazing isn't it and what I love with them is the noise they do I love that my always. There would you say that chattering and gossiping or would you say that cat calling and making a right route they are praying and praying. Praying that praying for all of us they're praying for us Carrolls. That's a prayer Ok I'm going to take that as a non-denominational prayer for all of us safe thank you lovely cool so nice to talk to you they're not just in Richmond you see them in Mitcham they're in Croydon they're all over the shop these beautiful green power Keats and that noise they're making Joseph should know he seems to be the expert he says they're praying that praying for every one of us we could do with as many prayers as we can possibly manage in London get off our parakeets that's how I feel about it will be straight back after this trial. To you can hear the sounds of the city. Because just a few years ago. The markets that show them how diverse and. That's just a slice of real London sounds corny but if there were 5. Sounds like it's a great story Islam to peace is b.b.c. Radio London. Roberts here obviously I'm trying to push him into protecting our green parakeets as opposed forcefully as I can not really I'm just getting around our why in Camden No we're certainly not in Regent's Park which is where I thought you might see some have seen them in the park a few. I mean they get when I was at the affordable although I saw them there Ryan can afford me like I said. They were just. Like who would not like kind of you know vivid emerald green kind of creation because they look so weird here they did great and anybody that looks a serious illness college is saying nope series on if. You don't want to die. Like a great screw basin or an AA Magnolia John I know they said maybe they could be trained not asked nicely I mean 5 or a party to him I let me call it has been quoted saying that praying for. As many prayers as possible I think that's all fabulous tell me what's coming up in your state today what we've got a symposium which is always a very good thing we got a symposium on street photography should you want to pick up where you have if you want to become street photography we're not talking about food and drink which is very good because he was brings me something we've got 2 guys from a Christian woman who was in the job but I mean they're all but we got both of. Them many is a no no it's just very probably yeah we've got a 4 for going Campbell because he cos there was you know I do actually have a glen campbell story you know I used to be on the on the bed. So I was on the bed with Glen Campbell but I know it was fabulous he was so charming really lovely hair really lovely bloke with great hair it was yeah I know he'd never been to Galveston that was one of the funny things about it he is singing about Hell I'd never go back and I said you want to he said Not really but the funny bit was that before the show he said to me you know rhinestone cowboy said Sure they said you want to sing it with Langham I went yeah cool us of course I did and I plunged in with real Vic you know it's a long scene as a Muslim and every step in those days I was abroad it would have it was and then suddenly pegged out to no single other word of it except the chorus and then when you know when there's a camera right your face you're meant to be seen only because of you know we had he did have his shoes he had drug problems it was it was not that we should do or even started to count. Yes it actually did it when I met him and very was actually very . Much Yeah it was you know it was love lovely man really lot of nativism there's a well there's a wonderful kind of by Jimmy Webb who put this thing up just it's just says he's one of the great human beings you ever met and according to the most amazing musician was a great credible so we're celebrating him and then we got funky for a day a moment Spike is coming in the studio because he's birthday and he's going to procure a funky for I don't know what is nice Yeah exactly we should hang on to the spike I've heard so much as I hear if you give him my 1st best wishes Robert thank you very much indeed for that rob us with a great day today now joining us in the studio is Katie Silver who works at b.b.c. Case why you hear what you're going to tell us about well I'm here because I'm telling you about an evacuation at Oxford Circus So basically this morning as I was coming in to exit circus normal commute smell of smart smart everywhere smell of sort of burnt plastic. And basically it seems like there was a fire on a train on the Bakerloo line and we were all back you waited. So I was you know I wasn't on I wasn't on the exact trained specifically but basically they were you know announcement saying Get out get out get out and there was also something basically saying inspector sands to a specific platform which I've since looked up means that was a fire bomb scare but I don't want to let anybody know that so I suspect his and his code code right now I know I know but it was already on Wikipedia Ok so so we as far as we're concerned the police have said it's nothing suspicious we don't think anyone's been hurt. Nobody seemed to be hurt I mean everybody was just walking out really quickly and it was just you know and they just shut down some of the exits books and circus and it was not a tap off it was just get on out and we don't know whether it's business as usual down there or not I don't know I don't know Katie thanks very much glad you're Ok and everybody else is let me finish up with some of your texts and e-mails here Vanessa we live in Beddington near the park and we have loads of green parakeets we really like seeing them and hearing them I agree with your last caller imbedding to . Laim Margaret says the parakeets we have lots here and how and have done for many many years Maggie says I can see up to 6 in my garden at one time she says I love to watch them eating the apples off next door's tree and then this is Charlotte she says I'm listening in horror to this 100 percent color of our beautiful green parakeet she says we love them they're cheeky noisy green things and we love them for that thank you for sticking up for one of our favorite neighbors domestic cats have to be the biggest threat to our native birds but we would never ever suggest a cull of those but this is the opposite view this is Caroline in Crystal Palace and she says Bring on the call explanation mark she says I'm in complete agreement with the Cole I live in leafy Crystal Palace opposite a small world and I have to put up with their screeching all day these days you can't go for peaceful walk anywhere in London when there are trees because of these noisy be big big swear word in their course she says I think of being over sentimental and short sighted you are right I'm capable of both I really am similar tain is Lee She says it's common knowledge the kind of catastrophic results that can occur to indigenous species when new species are introduced e.g. The rabbits and cats the decimated local flora foreigner in some areas of Australia if these birds are allowed to continue to spread unchecked they will affect not just our native creatures but also our food production parakeets wreak havoc on crops in Australia you're an intelligent woman Vanessa take off the rose tinted glasses and wake up to the reality of a future with these but they put it so lonely a good 50 years or something so so so you know I don't know whether they would do even even was solid in court I'm totally opposed to a color parakeet unless it can be proven they're posing a definite real danger to other birds I love to see them and this is Richard I'm sitting outside a cafe in Barnes enjoying my cinnamon bun accompanied by the animated streaks of the beautiful parakeets I 1st nations that we're living in Tooting Bec and I see the old fashioned green and had to rub my eyes in disbelief since my. Going to bars their daily aerial displays by these in chanting and exotic creatures and they've improved my quality of life no end sometimes if the rain is coming down and I hear them I'm transported to the Amazon and can almost imagine Tarzan swinging and on my Juliet balcony I'm delighted you've nailed your green color to the mast and there's another exotic adornment of capital that's very sweet of you hope to see you spearhead the Save Our parakeets campaign and that's for stripping the trees without being too graphic isn't that how trees reproduce by the deposition of their seats from an aerial missile I'm hopeful that we can turn this crazy decision around that is frankly made me sick as a parrot and then he said is a great record breaking show is always richer than the parakeet same Barnes squawk squawk and say that's the parakeets that's their contribution today thanks of but who joined in the program thanks to Gemma producing We had the wonderful Jesse the fabulous Robin the phones in a spectacular Ola driving the desk you can tell I'm a bit more power because I've got 2 weeks off and I will see you then at the end of August lots of love. Ready London travel as you heard on the program Oxford Circus is closed following a foreigner spoke with a reporter inside the carriage on the Bakerloo Line platform as a consequence there's no service northbound on the bay clean lines from 11 Council to Piccadilly Circus and on the surface you'll find Regent Street subject to language strictures at the junction with Oxford Street to accommodate the emergency vehicles in the fo'c's'le 9 names 9 Elms lane is closed westbound from Vox across the Pond Road following a serious accident early this morning congestion on all approaches in the area including South lumber throw dish but the 3 ones with road back to the park and box will bridge which is very on the southbound buses 156-344-4361 diversion your bus journey will be longer than usual Westminster Bridge Road is blocked at lower Marsh following an accident and that's going.

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