Late night Graeme Torrington So coming up the guests who made the most impact on you in 2019 tonight who faces daemons for the love of new born saw. My 5 chemistry voice. Made brain turn to one day be seen by Indians to. The. Ok let's. Just say. That. It's. Yes. It's. Cool. Keep. The Louis L'Amour Slade long line of I'm trying to incoming a very soon Tom walk on Ed Sheeran with Camilla gray and St Felice night 5 who's this. I'll tell you here it's not the wrong guesses that are coming to far Britney Spears Melanie Griffith Paris Hilton Kim Cattrall Jane Fonda and the McDowell Madonna Elizabeth Tyler Pam Anderson they're all wrong side better tell so we play Monday Thursday right about this time the prize is just funny to get your answer in by 11 the attack and answers on the phone to not text and email do not post on the show page on Facebook we can Cole when you had a 1st time callers for the different I mean you can only play on the show once per week which gives others a chance to get through. When you come on air after except the 1st name that you give to me it's the last week of the year that we're going to be doing the mystery for so it has to go by. Let's see how are you going to do tonight's Where are we going to begin we're going to begin in Hereford and it's quen Hello. How are you well thank you good how was your weekend oh yes good I bought my some tea over the weekend are lovely but you know what your yes it was very nice here a lovely weekend then right then I need a name from you who's this. Who said when. Marilyn Monroe Ok how long you been thinking that for Wednesday night actually all Ok. Let's see Marilyn Monroe no. But thanks I want to go Gwen Let's go to Nottingham now and Tracy Hello Tracy hello hello how are you I wore I thank you how you grow and I am very got a great voice for radio. Thank you. I know you're ready for the big day yeah you've probably you know hard I haven't even call me a. Christmas decorations and never mind. I don't know who shop are nowhere but up in a bit shocked Ok so when the Christmas decorations got them. Well I don't go out I have to sort out the slots right here yeah you know a lot of people a lot to do to wake stand and I'm you really yes I do yes yes hopefully one of my friends will help me. Get the friends involved as well right and Tracy need a name who's They say thinks better tell he said Tracy I think you scheme car dash air and Kim Kardashian why. Because. When you when I was listing merely Yeah I heard a list of maintenance for oh boy you know if it's not them then who could it be could it be Kim Kardashian that I'm not or not that you're not uploaded again I'm thinking I may have heard it say the. Casual fan or I can say is it Kim Kardashian you know oh. Thanks have a go Tracy Letts got to tell her now in jail Hello Jill hello Graham. Oh I'm fine thank you yeah I'm alright thank you very much indeed for asking and are you ready for the big day are you prepared No not really I'm going on a little bit but not the last Ok those are together what do we still want to do when the food in the Lot business food on the business. Never mind you'll get the he'll get there eventually right I need a name from you he says he thinks better tell who is that than is there any sales like a greenie so. Helen you think they're for. Oh less is a combined effort to. Say Ok so both convinced Yeah yeah yeah yeah 100 percent yes $100.00. 1 percent sounds pretty positive to me is it's run a cell work if we find out. Yes. It is Oscar winning actress Kathleen Zellweger born on April the 25th 1989 in Texas. She had a 1st starring role in Texas Chainsaw Massacre the next generation in 1904 but she's most famous for her portrayal of Bridget Jones and one stage she was the highest paid actress in the world Wow In the clip she's talking about her latest role as the great Judy Garland in the movie Judith Holt just felt like. Rotten greedy exploration you know talking about her every day and diving into the legacy of her work every day I mean can you think the better tell but there we are Jill in Telford you are 100 percent right thank you like to go and. Yeah I am looking for similar movie as well so well done Jill Ok thank you congratulations to you Merry Christmas to you have a lovely time when you know Ok Thank you bye that's gone right we've still got 3 days the mystery voice then before it wraps up before the end of this years so our play the new one which will start tomorrow in just a matter. Graham Tonton b.b.c. Radio station. Here now is being. Given. If you have to be in me. Don't. I don't need to. Be on the. Home. On my own. On the phone. But if. You come. Home. A saw this. World called world but I just. Let it. Be and. To be. Told it. Hewas to. Be a Better. And better half I'm a on late night Graeme Torrington So 12 o'clock tonight then heading into Tuesday with the next round of May not love songs before we get to that Scott Summit for Mariah Carey sugar biased by in a few moments time as well so congratulations to Jill in Telford who correctly identified tonight 5 Rennie is alway guess that's gone that's finished that's. So then we got 3 more nights of the mystery voice to go it's going to finish on Thursday and that'll be taking a break until the new year when I'm back from my New Year holiday I am now I have got a new mystery voice for you but I can play if it's not Ok for to for technical reasons which are called go into this precise moment but there is a new one which we're going to kick off with smart guys and I'll play for you tomorrow night in the program apologies account bring it to the saving. In the last 12 months right 2019 I featured over 200 after 11 guests all remarkable stories I'm going to end the last 2 weeks of life in a growing Torrington for this show just playing back some of those guests I've chose 9 and I've chosen the 9 that I'm going to be playing back for all different reasons they are all remarkable stories I will start tonight's with a man. Historic I mean up the other side of it Sharon and Camilla. Night night Graham turning. Radio. Long. Way. From across the way you know I really want to name I want to talk tonight 8 spotlight not Graham trying to now in 2019 more than 200 of the most extraordinary people have told their stories as my after 11 guests they moved me made me laugh or cause me to look at the world differently their stories where what you'd usually hear on the radio most where d.p. Personal and for that reason they have a special honesty every one of them was remarkable So this week and next I want to look back at some of those stories and I've chosen 9 and I start tonight with Joe who grow up very poor at the bottom of the food chain he was on class a drugs from the age of 13 and took them all through his school life eventually his mom kicked him out after a smashed up the house he's now 27 with a family of his own and the grinding poverty and stress of his childhood is the driving force behind his life today and the work that he's doing this is Joe story . You were born in lossing in 1902 and taken to a one bedroom flat where you lived with your Mom It's where we stand. You know so my dad was always around us used to find quite confusing my dad he had an of a family and my mom was. Like an affair for a long period of time so I did see my dad 'd very sporadically so the thing I always found hard was I knew my dad wasn't very likely to like a new. Kind of relationship my dad was always confusing public policy once every month and a half 2 months for about 15 minutes and when I was younger it was 5 when I grew up and start to realize kind of you know you start to watch t.v. And you realize what. Kind of. Psychos are pretty uncomfortable around the. Ground and that was the only stable mile influence in your life or not. Yeah my granddad was a real positive role models for me a lot of patience and a lot of time to think you know when people get older sometimes get a little more grumpy already become a little more patient and become people and he was a really great person a great honor to me so malam always be your only child so we're like before you were old enough to get a 2nd preschool so early childhood quite timid I didn't really hang around on the streets although I wasn't really around much young people I was around a lot of older people. In terms of other words used to listen a lot didn't really speak much really well behaved at least. Camembert 2nd school life if you will a real shame if I got told off even for small things and I can feel the freedom right now I didn't really get hold of much in primary school much of what I did really embarrassed about it so I was really really well behaved Do you have any specific memories about living in poverty at a very young age. Yes So it's very. Clear of the fact of I think if you're going to live in poverty in that region in any call the world the u.k. Probably one of the best places to do it I mean if you go to different parts of the world you know the kind of poverty the provision that people suffer in for countries week from places like America or some parts of Europe or worse than the u.k. But it is I mean everybody she didn't mean anybody has to live in it I think some of the early start after a member is kind of like going to bed early because you know election call of the gas is gone and the winter nights you write the next morning and you just lie down because there's no light no electrics one of the most vivid memories about being Paul is probably can relate back to my dad again so my dad always had qualms when he used to come around and drop us off to college shopping money probably maintenance to me like every 3rd day on a Thursday or Friday which saw through the food quite ugly and as a phone box at the bottom of the road and. Mom would bring mother out of the hospital but he won't answer because he knew the number she began really stressed really agitated and she sat me down to the phone box not remember going out respond box and I feel lots of anxiety and worry about if you can answer and if you didn't answer we're going to say to him when he does answer if it doesn't answer we're going to tell my mom and I just passed a sperm box every day for the other thing that's one of the. One of the most vivid memories about being poor is waiting around you know just a few times just so you know she could. Be fine if my dad dropped shop and when you found Sunday morning like it was it was fine it was a nice day for if you didn't it was a really strange week and. You can't tell you just 13 which is a pretty tough age full of changes and have to face 2 tragedies in your family tell me about them yes I feel quite guilty in some way for this because I think this is where kind of took advantage of the moment. My mom tried hard woman was quiet a stressful parent you know like she had a lot shed a lot on the shoulders and she was kind of sometimes you know take our mayor or whatever. The 1st or 2nd school my uncle or septicemia many ended up losing his legs to be very ended up nearly dying where Catholic family said it led him to reading his last rites but the doctors decided to take just below the knee. And he lost his presence like some below the knee and died of a stroke by it up for a year after that my my granddad he passed away as well in the movies going through hard times my own coursework and burning action on the whole ring so my family used to go to burning to see my being because that's where it's based so I was a lot of time spent on my own and I kind of call to whatever but for a push boundaries and so rich and kind of accused. My moment she wasn't around so I could kind of take the mick a little bit and I feel Ok about to be honest you know if you're not partisan please people and you cannot keep your Niall's from They're going to try to make you know I mean they're going to push the. Least 2 incidents were a combination of some funny soft landing. Being serious curious about last affair because I lived a bit of a show so like to fall. Into 2nd school and all these freedom and I'm not being around this much she was before I started to make people laugh in school and get points and the poem says and then I find myself drawn to socialize with people to kind of risky behavior and then by the time I was 13 of the sex this one guy and he was just we was getting on with having a laugh and he's telling me about how he's to smoke weed and then a couple of weekends after the mom and pop of the most high school I saw smoking weed and I didn't really understand the implications of that one encounter how far is going to take me down the wrong path and kind of. Looking to come back from it some point in time all the stuff kind of my for anyway. Yeah led to class a drugs at the very young age so when how do you get from having a bit of weed to going to class a drugs is he on the age of 13 yes think it was in terms of. In terms of the risky behavior I always kind of wanted 'd to be the risk if I was going to be the funniest I was going to have been if it was going to be a risk I was going to be the risk. Once you start smoking weed is quite easily accessible then to find companies who are selling over stuff as well and I always say it was a lot easier for us to get we in ecstasy than it was for us to get our call and tobacco support in the split 1314. Especially me could get our hands of a lot of hard drugs and related implications of them and you know really responsible had a friend who tried it and I said I will try let me die let me out a part of it was chaotic because it is really hard at the moment to open that lasted for about 10 years in school. Drugs were told about so we're talking a sort of weed in the next target from that was ecstasy and we take talking about amphetamines life. Like Alice I mean I never really took heroin or crack cocaine I never took a saw friend smoke and a couple of my friends and they kind of fell for that one later on in life we stayed away from from them drugs we were still taking a lot of trips that affected our mental health and how does a 13 year old lad afford to pay for these drugs. You know it's kind of simple in the way so everybody is men women are given the tenor of the week and then everybody would chip in so you could have all people with 40 pounds so if you can if you can get a life or x. . That time for a title by $250.00 each and then somebody would buy we somebody would buy food and it's a contribution we're all chipping in together or you could actually get your hands on a fair amount of drugs 'd there was also there was often times where we had quite a large rocks. One of the riskiest thing that happened between them of Esmay was we ended up falling sick and kicking means to take drugs and to pay them back at a later date to something like an out so we did 50 POWs which was a proud fringe of pounds worth it that. Goes into a really sticky situation where we had to. Prevent groom an asterisk you know trying to get the money back office and then as an intimidating just too scared to really say anything to anybody we're in now in the position I'm in now I would ask you in person to disclose that to me and you know I think that your life if you call God we are these people are there to help sometimes you know you're doing risky behavior so you don't want to crush it so focus. On common guessing meant your high school yeah yeah most times most days quite frequently in the going on 10 year 11. I probably go to school about leave the house about 11 and watch school and there are probably some a spliff on the way to school I probably smoke a split in school as well when I go out after school and smoke a spliff as well so it's really a waste of my education for the the big things for me was kind of new I was active in other things cotton was not much of a pink ale in $2000.00 and it teaches neglected young people now working in schools like I do it's a massive issue and if I've seen myself as a young person the response rate I have work and school. One of the hundreds of reports are you telling me are you telling me that schooling you are in fact nobody knew that you were taking drugs or did they not yeah they knew they knew because the parents even one point in time I don't know 'd if they knew the 4 kind of scale of what was taking what was a shy about it wasn't really hard and it will crack jokes and take the mick out of insurable in class and I just it just scares me just worries me how that got kind of pushed into the copy or nobody picked up on that because a lot of my behavior to go on for a lot longer than a true true me down the path which is hard to come back from when we pass. Our. School home. Made it all the way to the end the school the finger me was I didn't really attend in the last 2 years I'd only go in life to prepare. Every day also I'm not going or so I suppose I will cause a problem for them in. A few times how did you leave school with any qualifications to. The highest g.c.s.e. Was I got free the. That's what I thought so you went through schooling that's what you know school with your mom that kicked you out Yes yes I got to go on my mom's house a few times because. You know like I did. I mean it was a lot. Of strain on the house and I used it quite easy it was not physically abusive 'd. Sometimes I would. Shift with everybody with. Music but afterwards what happened when Joe's mom kicked him out of the house more fun at morn a few moments. From b.b.c. You. Want to talk tonight. And. Listening to Joe's story one of mine 911 guests who had the most impact on you throughout 29 team so Joe grew up in the Midlands in poverty whether he had anything to eat depending on whether his dad was in the mood to give Joe's Mom money for food he was on class a drugs from the age of 13 and took them all through school eventually his mom kicked him out after he smashed up the house and he picks up the story from there. Well I got kicked off of work one point I went to my local council and they put me up in a hostel sometimes we slept. On the ward so BUSY we'd sleep in church like round our sofas on friends' houses sometimes we sleep in abandoned factories. Usually when I got kicked out somebody would come out with me and I was a friend he was kind of going through the same chaotic stuff so I mean him or about a lot together so if he was kind of kicked out I would go with him and if I was kicked out he would go with me and if he can stay a minute I can stay him with you know so we are together we can it's all I would think the world upon actual reason that's important like for young person to know that you know there is help out there for you have to be able to see. What made you decide to get off the drugs. I think there's a there's a lot of people who try to probably influence me to get off the drugs but I would say with most most people who you know for something like this is some point in time they make the decision some point in time that it will live this life anymore that remember a criminal element are coming to looking at myself in the bathroom mirror and I just really unhealthy really really unhealthy if the thing that drew me off it was actually thinking about how am I going to get a girlfriend because I looked I looked really scummy a lot of them were wiping my face and there are thinking you know are caught in this anymore. And then I decided to make make a change. It's all a previously. Attempted to take my own life because when you 2 I would say I was a depressive you know all when you think in these quiet intense drugs did something called a corpse where you take the friend or you commit and you get like a rush in the search for your body and that's probably the enjoyable part but nobody really talks about the come down and the calm down is really intense and you've probably had a hangover before but it's a little bit different to like I suppose it's like a scimitar psychosis like you could be looking at the wall for 3 hours not knowing if you can scrape another and you just want it to be over with the more drugs or talk the worse these became when it got support when I was about 15 I decided like in that moment in time that woman in the time I couldn't do it anymore just didn't want to keep repeating this cycle and for middle class she like I applied to its axis of medical records just recently and he said in 2006 you had substance abuse and suicidal things on your record they couldn't because actually with so it came about 5 in the fortress recently will. Eventually decided to get back into education Yeah and that was the big savior for me I came out school in 2000 into recession and we've all the will in the world and wanted to change leaving with not many qualifications and money wasn't really being spent jobs weren't really available I got laid off quite a few times in my eyes she was good I really wanted 'd you know to make money and just be a purpose in life to go to the gym a lot Charlie cause my parents can get laid off a lot and I said to myself. You know. Quite a lot of the last time I got laid off and I don't want to get to this point again I need to figure out a way Ragosta skills with somebody called me written people need me I could have a skill set which is which is unique which somebody is going to pay me a certain amount of money for cyclists a lot I want to look into a little bit of what I would like to hear a lot going to teaching a lot so I like being in school actually Archie like a life with young people when I did the research and realized what kind of needs kids each is they were the toggles like languages chemistry muscle physics. That really I just said most of physics stuff for a whole small people and I just decided I was going to do it and I didn't know it was such a mom of Tuscany really was and then I went to get my functional skills most in English. And I think it was learned direct that was a real low level of education I commend the courage to the sense of looking around the room after essentially I realize I probably the only person spoke English and that's because most people who go to be sensitive immigrated to the u.k. To get their initial to a standard where they can become employed for which be honest I was just optimistic out of just happy to do something productive and progressive my life and then from there I went to the sense you mustn't English other deductions cause with you can you know in science applied to university I'm not going to speak to Geico for them or else you are just interview tomorrow on my You Tube channel spoken substance and he told me the opportunity of knowledge of the qualifications to access the course and probably the power of going to do a level in a muscle physics reluctantly I wanted and I did in a level in. Physics and then I did a s. Level a master next year with my level of physics and then enrolled on physics to reopen University which was which was a real big kickoff for me 5 years to get taught me a lot of a lot about resilience he told me about how far can push myself at the beginning that they don't have the capabilities to do it for 'd with pre-determination you know if you work at something consistently over a period of time you're going to get there and that's what I found out about myself later on in life you had a stepdaughter an a daughter a few rounds who talked about the relationships of downtown. Yes there are always a kind of broke of education for a bit in terms of studying I want to be a lab technician at school because I did my oh you 3 part time I need a science related topic in the law school and for me everything I've told you about in the past in terms of all the drugs or the risky behavior I wanted to get about it I do want to be remembered as the kind of person are kind of work so hard to kind of. Call for luck and. Be taken as somebody who is serious and somebody who was small. So I went to work as a lab technician and my stepdaughter kind of went down a similar path probably say worse boredom experienced as a whole in the past. I wasn't really connecting with them so I didn't really I wasn't really able to help her out because I kind of moved on past my experience in . A real I realize another all in experience to have a warning neglectful not think about any more lessons I've learned and I need to use them because I shouldn't just let them experience who go to waste over people can relate to them and learn from them if I can pass out information on to other people and stop them through I work through what my stepdaughter went through and now has value and it can say family's life and it can save people's lives from trauma which we don't really need to experience so I decided to. Come remove myself again back into them experiences in other cases much of the lab technician particle physics on hold for Lopez and started to work and mentoring in schools around the argument. And shine you can experience is to give and I did a really good job for 2 years really good job I believe it's not been an easy road to get and I gather in terms of backup and support no it. Is not really you have to carve it out to you so things sometimes like when you're working in school are tricky life is very who's in that is the community for one the environment is living in their parents the education sandwich they're in teachers maybe not being overstressed overworked not having enough time to keep teaching people so you can go into a classroom and you can go in to want to or mentor session or you can go see you've come to an absolutely amazing session you're probably there for one or 2 hours that week but were can get on very very quickly if they go in to a chaotic life or recordings for a lesson and the teacher is not time to give them more you know they go into a community and they're 7 trucks and all these antisocial behavior you can get on to really quickly do you have your hands tied for. You know the last part a challenge so you sort of spoke in substance explain more tedious. Spoke of substance and people with us and where does the name come from and because I I always get fixed because of people who don't speak any substance and it's kind of true I was always kind of ideas are they to people and you know waiting for them to validate my opinions when realistically they probably enough substance and so he was really nice that's what it was there were no credit to what they were saying so I came with the name spoken substance because I believe substance in a person is something that's really important to me I left my job in sentiments or in the south doing workshops and facilitating for myself I was how can I access more people how can I have how can I reach more people and I was working with a young guy about a week before I left my role and he was talking about the pod cast that we listen to what we call for them and that guy was a guy was a tricky young person and a star United I call him all the way to the back and the Italian typical really well rounded young man a really nice person he was always small but use his brains to kind of minute and bully people and now we kind of turned it around and I could see that the kind of the stories that you've been listening to of these podcasts and help them understand him so for mature so I said I'm going to do it he said you need to do it General. There's a lot of times in a session where I'll explain someone else's story because it has relevance to that young person's life for well there's a lot of people out there with stories of success of the mistakes who want celebrities who haven't been in the film who was autistic maybe a 100000 followers on Instagram they have lessons to be learned from so I decided to talking to people in my community hearts successes and mistakes interview them about their stories and hopefully put them out if people can relate to them they can seek advice or guidance and I always say it's about power and encouraging and engaging young people parents education work is horse positive choices I'm sure Sharon historic can can go a long way I know everybody doesn't learn like us some people need wants one interaction some people need some Tilopa more personal but you choose a massive platform which everybody can access for free so it could have a wider audience and increases the chances of you know somebody get a piece of information out there which could really help them. If any my listeners want to find out more about the what the you were doing and maybe support you how can they do that where can I find you work is many ways you can support me so if you decide to unspoken substance on You Tube if you subscribe if you share the interviews that will be amazing that's the kind of support we need if you're going to be to be to be spoken such as dot com That's the Web site if there's anybody out there who's pushing positive messages towards young people there is more education because he wants to interview people who use things so we can learn from your story then come forward I say this a lot for you know the mistakes that people made in the past as in his successes that people have been in all valuable they're valuable to somebody if you think that you can push substance on Marcelo an inspiring gauge empower encourage people to please come forward I love to do an interview here not just a story thank you very much indeed for joining in the program tonight thank you very much for really appreciate. And just to bring you right up to date we spoke to Joe to get his full update and spoken substance is still going strong and details are on my websites on my Facebook page which is like my grandparents I'm but just got some absolutely brilliant news to share with us tonight's he's been asked to design a project alongside his colleague Callum Walker smart to help disadvantaged young people and I'm going to keep you posted on that throughout 2020 as well and we'll have a another remarkable after 11 guest tomorrow night on line our grandparents and stories music knife late night Graham Torrington b.b.c. Radio this. Tense along this line of grants are internets Mariah Carey and Co leave nights so then we began tonight's with Joe story and over the next couple of weeks we are just playing back some of the remarkable after 11 guests that we've had on the program throughout 2019 we've had over 200 and I've just selected 9 to be played back between now and the end of the year remarkable stories because quite often not the sort of story you would hear on the radio we get a huge reaction to everything we do on the program but probably the biggest reaction we get is to the after 11 guests and when we've had somebody on that's really touch someone's life in some way it's amazing the reaction we get em so is Joe story tonight and if you go to my Facebook page right now which is late night Grant trying to there's all the details on there of spoken substance tomorrow night's we're going to be playing back ground story and he has a story about a very difficult sex life or with a plane that back tomorrow night on the program the weather generally dry night with some clear spells though the slack winds will allow mist and fog who develop think it loud is expected in the early hours. As a be aware of that if you're driving around tonight temperatures dipping between one and 4 Celsius depending where you are in the Midlands choose a largely cloudy and misty day with a chance of some patchy light rain and drizzle for a time in the day we can be mainly dry temperatures between 2 and 5 Celsius. In late night Graeme time in 10 midnight enough sounds. Good morning we've rolled into Tuesday morning already and it's the 1st run this week of the amid model of songs let's begin with Hamas found alive.