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I don't I don't care about that doctor if I think I get enough I think if you like it so much different I love you for it it's you 'd I don't hear any more sound as we're going to make up excuses here I say almost all the way way way too much already was he was going easing the night just time to this hasn't happened before I was my sister socks saying this to Joyce nobody likes the Scott mails and Chris Stark Saturday morning from knowing he sees Raese if only for a. Yeah and this is for now it's Monday morning a generation gap policies for where we invite young to talk about the issues that will engage them in the general election that we've just heard and this one we've got the editor in chief of naked politics in just remind us. Is naked politics and politics is an online platform to engage young people in politics in a way in which they understand and like resonates with them how can people find out about their website Yes you can have to make it politics Ok u k most of us on Instagram make politics. On Twitter it's all like a politics g.b. Of course you don't need to go to a website where you kind of do. Have the dulcet tones of the broadcasters was the McCully is also one of the younger. Voters that we've got evidence here she's the voice of b.b.c. Sounds every time I go to one of those polled cause was it is even a one off or not you know. How to. Do that go go just for me just the ones Hilton I did buy you on b.b.c. Sounds. So all the time so. You think you know. Me So yeah. Right you had to get that one in those below the belt so you know like I'll take a loss to get through a lot so it's a lot of you all got found we've all got 5 moves morning Ok we're out through these as fast as we can. The I'm a victim of austerity my benefits have been cut and no longer have a consultant or work to tell me men to health birds are being cut you know it's food under this Government says Jane Does that kind of issue about mental health does that resonate with younger voters another view Yeah I think mental help is actually a very big thing for young people particularly because I think young people are under a great a strain than previous generations have been to reckon yes under great strain the generations the glory is generally not about the war on. Ok I know it's a compared to how much a team previous generations but I think there was a different level of stress you know in achieving basic things I think like you know a basic standard of living you know having a house with these kind of simple things we thought were relatively simple to require and that's also exacerbated by the way with social media and the way in which those acts with Haitians are very much amplified causation media we have a false idea of how far along in life of the people are as well and that contributes to things like anxiety depression all these these. The committee triggering an exacerbation mental health that's not to say of course a lot of people have mental health issues of course 80 and I want to see good treatment for everybody but I do think that it's something that in particular does resonate a lot with with young people as well as Is that your experience as well I think a lot of people would say that mental health is wrapped up in the conversation of politics just because it's unstable isn't anything that's unstable anything where you feel you're not being listened to when on the Stude is going to yeah trigger ready so or feeling of Oh yeah just let me live so or feelin like you're not part of the conversation so yeah mental health I would say is definitely wrapped up in this conversation from Julie from Ohio are 6. And I've heard this from a young person just the other day and let me just quickly say because I have to go home at some point it was not either about daughters but I have heard this from a younger person just Judy from how says she's been unable to vote for 36 years and has never bothered why because I don't trust any of them so how would you go about getting people like me to change my opinion so was it. 1st of all I'd like to say that you are not alone there's loads of people who would say the same thing they don't feel represented and therefore it was better not to vote but I think I think history plays a big part in why if I felt like that I'd vote anyway is because your vote can still count and it still is a way of you voicing your opinion and joining others who also feel the same as you and so yeah it's not wasted vote is not a wasted voice to be part of. A group of people who also feel the same you would have heard younger people over and over in Iraq above how do you go particularly young people how do you get them to change this how do you convince them to both sides of this is a long term thing and this is one of the biggest problems I've had with some of the kind of recent coverage of young people in voting is this thing of like our young people going to go out to vote and it's like whoa actually the tradition would engage young people in politics ever so why on earth would they suddenly feel like they've got a stake in our society why would they feel like they've got the educational tools to help them make an appropriate decision this is what we're talking about really is long term systemic change and behavior change a century and that comes from years of grind years of work from an establishment that actually wants to show that young people should carry on and have a stake and that should come from the media that needs to come from you know media there's a lot more diversified to come actually from politicians you know politicians have to also engage with these groups as well you know there are many different groups not just young people who talk about this idea that there because about them that they feel left behind and politicians if they want those votes and those those those votes are there for the taking if they're smart enough you know how to do the grind and the work of speaking to these communities and these people and until that happens and until that space that void is taken up young people like many other demographics of people will not to go out to vote they will continue to say stuff like there's no point. Oh this is what I think is the common approach to sit back with things I think even if it's not a big scale that votes in even like on the bus when someone does something silly there's lots of memory that if you see something that's wrong usually people do come together to say actually this is wrong this is right let's go forward with this and so the approach to sit back and lay back I don't think is is the common approach anyway and I don't think yet for the many people who feel like that I I wouldn't think that's the same across parts of life. She says whether you are young or old we should all remember there's nothing wrong with looking back but. Stare we can obviously learn from the passage to do so but it can't be changed where is the future can be planned structured and process positive if done right and I did no to spend 2nd is growing and when I was going to bring up the 2nd World War you were. Going to mention the 2nd World War. We are. Having servers where. I could hear the groan I mean alcohol is a massive respect for anybody who of course you have. Anything. From the past yeah of course you know how important political politics is say cyclical right now like that it's not like it moves forward all the time you know you can learn the times when and when things went well when they were good for this country. Well I know various people might say various different things some people might say that in the aftermath of World War 2 for example going to take that that was when the way welfare state was built you know the n.h.s. Was built from the ashes of that kind of terrible period of time for example and most people probably would argue that marriage is a pretty good thing right you know the n.h.s. Is it is a relic from the past and yet we can we continue to evaluate today we can also look back on things that didn't go so well and say Ok maybe we won't do that this time we can look at maybe like the banking crisis the banking question i k x ones that went wrong here here's how we fix it but I think that happened by the way and I think anyone tried to make any changes on the back of that but yeah for sure I think that that statement of you know but instead I think is it's extremely valid it's not look back but take it with a pinch of salt take it with the pinch of reality and that's how to use the past to help shape the future Ok Mark this is a small firm of me of any read the other one Yeah but Mike says you know I'm a massive fan of yours Dawson I didn't but thank you just wanted to call you out though. L o l n o l o o I must go against the grain is I started out as right of center right now I'm a fully committed socialist at the age of 68. Does that ever work for younger people do you do you know for example you've both been see diversity and if you come across people that came there as you know conservative from the shies away I know that's a stereotype but work with me work with me have you ever come across somebody who you know was there with universities suddenly became like a Marxist but I was at university with Ian Austin who's in any way out the. Was m.p. For Dudley east or west anyway or Norful Yeah I think so anyway he was the one the pretty much stuck the boot into Jeremy Corbyn. And he was a he was a very left wing student you know very big red Shaggy. Shaggy here and demonstrate in protesting about everything everything everything everything but I was right. Well you see what I mean yeah he was a Gordon Brown I think you know still but nevertheless he turned out to be more to the right in the Labor Party and now he's not m.p. It's all of course where did you ever come across people who switch from. You know the other way round from conservative Yeah definitely. Yeah I think say you know there's some people my age yeah a few years ago they're probably a bit more right wing and now they're a bit more like a we don't quite think that people need to just quote pull up their bootstraps if they haven't even got the sons and the Speaks are definitely had people move from from lights at the latter's Why would a younger person Swazi leave the privilege of let's say wealth. For example again this is a stereotype Nevertheless the privilege of wealth to suddenly star. Waving placards people always younger people themselves cynical about this that's why we call them trust a fairy and stuff that I've never had not just amazing yeah you have a chance a fair is before you just made up you just made that I have to actually give you my word you are completely serious face. I knew it was the other we had a your way I mean you quake. Now and I know it was going to hit Ok Ok I didn't make it out by the way. Trust the Ferengi to be that you know that you would describe I must be getting old. Be impressed I was I mean last spring now I. Say bring that back back that's exactly she would say as well and not just her good friend and he says Well they'd sit in the back of a closet oh go it's the way you said oh bring member I really did it to me once when I use the word yuppies Oh my God a yuppie. Wow this. Is pretty nappy. I have to be careful as Anyway the question still remains the same this was it yeah I think I think it's trust of people not yet I do question as well about wealth I think outside of politics that just plays a huge pot doesn't it I met a lot of wealthy people at university that I just just I was like Wow And there was one go particularly you had a. A bank account just for her someone she'd used to buy some and every weekend that lot of parents would give them money just to do that anyway when that ran out she just had to buy what she would call normal food and I was like that me and everyone else is that you need. Even that isn't cynical. So I think. It's Putin's Iran but not when is once the wealth runs out there are new priorities to be made a new ways of living that I think people that what no you see before realize all this is so bad and then yeah you find that common ground Scott in Bedford says I'm not young but I've got 3 sons who did vote in Iran the 3rd seed they're socially left Bartz increasingly economically right I think this is due to economic facts of government spending they have student loans this understanding of debt turned them off turn them off Corbett and says Go on what about that again most younger people have got student loans how much is that a factor when you go and vote. As many I've never actually thought about it that way actually last year late in student debt making putting you off down in like a macroeconomic level why. It's not something I've ever had any like young people say they're mostly just annoyed that they're having to pay the tuition bill here and buy them back in the vise ways disconnect them because it's also a place that is and you probably also made the argument that past more than macro economic data very different they absolutely have to say here you go to vote not necessarily for your own advantage for luncheons I said not necessarily for your own advantage perhaps for the greater good of the country however your own personal situ if your own personal situation does not inform the way you vote can it make sense disconnected younger people aren't even going to vote on what affects them I think I think every young person well over that every young person but. But that's what the that's what this whole conversation of this morning has boiled down to wherever your priorities lie that will be way you are left to vote so for the person who's going to uni versus the the dad he's just had a baby your party is a very different and therefore he way you vote for you will be very different I think that is some division but actually if we overpay for what would be the common good and not just speak to pockets of people then the person who's going to you need versus the person who goes to the hospital is going to be in need of the same things are going to be useful to all of us I think at the end of the day it's going to be tricky isn't it to pinpoint where people vote why people vote but I think young people do vote for what matters them. Your was your student loan your student debt was that. Even anywhere in your mind when you watch into that poop voting station on Thursday evenings was on Thursday whenever if I was a young person now but the thing is you don't know what you what you didn't have my he was the last you to pay $3000.00 pounds for one year now it's right right so I could never imagine a wode way it would have been increase 3 times the price of my one years and not to think oh my gosh if I went to university to pay $9.00 grand a year I probably would've gone but that is also to do with the education system and saying you need the only option which then goes into a whole nother category of conversations but yeah I think people under a month of you know this is why older people don't get it because when I went to university grown in fact Bob wrote was 3 grand a year and I bought a motorcycle with it Leslie that. Might be the reason why the government decided that on those fees. I apologize not apologize of a much more sensible person now I do apologize. And so I'm ashamed of myself for many and also I crashed. Within about 3 weeks. Lesley that's one so moving from left to right. As your age as you get older perhaps teaches stability in security you move to the right I'm presuming my listener is saying. As as you age the left might seem more sexy and romantic then as you age the realities of health care children house prices and job security may become more important younger people with less responsibilities might feel freer less restricted and more liberal discuss is that either of you the bit about feeding more liberated in going around gallivanting all night long just saying ask me any time stereotype about you know that was my stereo I Yeah listen listening says less responsibilities might feel freer less restrictive and more limited in a the situation that many young people are in uni some young people do have families as a boy you know so young people are carrying a lot of debt there are lots of young people that come from you know working class backgrounds and if they want to go to uni I know people that had to work a job what about young people who started families early let's say. Young mothers Yeah yeah 18 or 19 either of you I mean even you know under 30 To what extent does their. Family impact on whether they're going to vote or not and how they're going to vote when they're 18192021 years old. Well I'd be surprised at that demographic bite and he's numbers anyway because again that's why as another demographic is probably typically ignored and so much of eyes aberration in any eye when you say you know disaffected with the police is another group of people who are highly likely I'm sure to be I'm Guy running that's ironic because they're a demographic that really. Could benefit from whatever benefit will be disadvantaged by whatever policies Yeah. Government puts forward often doesn't you know make it make a difference people have to the has to be that connection made between you know what's being actually offered and and those people you know many people now time. Shocking it's shocking is when I meet for example our money saying this because this is my experience when I meet young black men who are complaining about how it's you know being stopped and searched and then yeah. You know would employ the tricks in our world apologizing to this incident no into that but you see where I feel. It's just shocking many of them probably never believe that you know even if the party promised they wouldn't have people like sliced up and had people either or young mothers young teenage mothers how do they expect anything to change if they don't take part in the systems was it I think that's one of the more mom thinking about it it's not so much that you have to be engaged with the system you have to be engaged somewhat with a community that has a relationship to the system so whatever that community may be it may be a young moms group it may be a youth group it may be something group but as long as those values are in line with something that is going to benefit you that is then how people engage with the wider conversational politics but to just sit back and then complain about things that's what I'm saying I don't think that's the common approach but I have to wrap up this conversation a couple minutes but we do have time to. Alan in Liverpool's talks he says when I was young I was rebellious and thought I knew best does that echo with either of you. Either the oath or other will. Anyway when I was young I was rebellious and I thought I knew best I was wrong when I was middle aged you know this my character. Got my back. When I was middle age I thought I'd mature and knew better how this is wrong yes yes. No imo when I look at young people now I wish them the best. For it is kind of. A landing a low and a girl and it could be kind of like good luck. Is going to say for exactly you are going to suffer young people have to do with the increase uni fees followed by years of austerity and now breaks it all imposed on us by a boomer generation of course young people who lean to the left says David Birmingham also with regards to the older generation having a go social media what about all the right we newspapers can see by them do the guest think social media is a positive or negative thing for young people during elections Good question was yeah definitely I think the way young people mobilize together on social media is phenomenal and the platforms that come up and the way you can consume information so quickly social media is a is a fantastic tool but there's also a huge issue with the lack of regulation of social media and tracking what's actually put on the verifying it I mean sharing that it's actually true as well that's a big issue so there's a great plus as was mentioned but there's all say some quite scary looming aspects as well as to how authentic these these social media Yasmin's engagements are bad 2nd. 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I needed to make a change to Kelly but I also was really just your fresh legs on unfortunate he was . Really doing more as a player there's a decision I made that he felt the need to go across to now and just reassured that that was the case. As a Marine is his side were amazing taught him to back late so when to want to weigh it will climb up to 5th in the table cell to be hips to Nels recalled a lead when in Rome maintain that 2 point gap 2 ranges he will say one also finished 2900 top of the Women's Super League after 31 win over evidence in Manchester City move up to 2nd with a 5 no win over Brighton Ben Stokes has been voted the $29000.00 b.b.c. 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The 1st for news and the best life for this is b.b.c. 5 live up all night with Dawson at a buy out it's time now for our regular hop around the world of podcast this week Peter Norton has been picking out some independent protocols for us so these are people who have without the backing of a major production studio or broadcaster got our costs off the ground with basically just a sort of good idea and a bit gumption a bit of initiative and and their own sort of production skills and this is something I think is this is an important area and call costing the still the vast majority of across our labors of love but it's takes an unusual show in the in the kind of marketplace that we have now football costs where there's so much resource going into these big prestigious shows it takes something quite unusual to get an independent you show to bubble up right the top and become you know successful and why do listen to so I've chosen 4 shows each done that in different ways and I think it is straight different qualities that cross can have in order to get out is the inning greedy and the. Marks them above the you know the wide number of d.i.y. Board cause there are a. I think each one of these is is quite profound the original show. I think there are different reasons why they're successful some of them are it's it's about how artfully produced they are sometimes it's about having a really really punchy simple idea that no one else has had in quite the same way. And he and something nice and they share and sometimes it's about being Let's talk about a subject that hasn't being well treated before hasn't been intelligently treated before in the space so we didn't start well so in the memory palace which is an American show it's been going since 2008 and this came about it's written and presented and edited by a guy called Nate Dimaggio and he was working as a public radio producer in the states working on some some of the big. Public radio shows that over there but was never getting behind the mike and was I think a bit frustrated by that and had a sense that he wanted to have a project of his own as well as his desk job and he was always it's they didn't in history and felt like that was an area of Paul costing that still wasn't being. There wasn't that wasn't so much history content in focusing Lisa she still something that's true today. Not as much as there is in sports or comedy or interviews or true crime for instance history remains a kind of growth area and but his revelation the thing which makes this show so interesting is that he you know rates each episode it does a lot of research going into museums or public archives newspaper archives finding these strange little nuggets stories from the past and then he'll write them in a very particular way read the narration many brings in music's very delicately and artfully behind so they kind of he says he compares his process to making a pop song he wants something that's short and powerful and punchy and self-contained. So we have a clip here with this is something we're not often able to do in this segment which is we can wear would not play the whole a whole of one of his episodes any 3 minutes long but I think this gives you a really good sense of how he works Samuel Finley Breece Morse spent the 1st 35 years of his life learning to paint. And over at Yale in London at the Royal Academy he studied the works the Masters to learn how Michelangelo built the bodies that seem to pulse in Shutter of mere Oriel and shadow in crosshatch to learn how Raphael some of the spark of inner life with a single stroke of pure white in the dusky ochre of a nobleman's eye to learn how to create illusions of space and distant to learn how to conjure the ineffable. Through the mere aggregation of lines and dots and stretched canvas he learned how to paint. And in 1905 Morse was living in New Haven Connecticut with his wife Lucretia and 2 young sons and a 3rd child was on the way due any day one night a courier delivered a message the city of New York wanted to pay more said $1000.00 to paint a portrait of the Marquis de Lafayette the hero of the revolution was coming to Washington to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the start of the war and he would sit for more if the painter can leave right away so he packed his easel and his brushes and its paints and clothes that were good enough to wear when meeting a man like Lafayette and he kissed his pregnant wife and he left that night. And another night a week later. Morris was in his rented studio in Washington preparing for the arrival of the next morning of his distinguished subject he heard a knock on the door and there was a courier breathless and dirty from a hard ride on hard road and Ingham a note that was 5 words long your dear wife is convalescent he left that night. He rode for 6 days straight on horseback and in the backs of juddering wagons wrapped in blankets against the cold wind of October nights and when he made it to New Haven and ran through fallen leaves up to the house and Whitney ave. He learned that his wife was dead. In fact she had died before the courier had knocked on his door in Washington. In fact she had already been buried some morning while he was on the road. While he was racing home to be a buyer side and sit where there was a got better. Samuel Finley Breece Morse spent the next 45 years of his life trying to make sure no one would have to feel the way he felt that night ever again. Samuel Finley Breece Morse. Spent the next 45 years inventing the Telegraph. To turn real space in real distance into illusion and developing Morse Code dots and lines that could transmit the stuff of real lives and of dying lives. Well tells world sold out I wasn't sure right yeah it is the twist obviously the end but I was assured Initially I was wondering well why are we listening to this and I didn't mean it disparagingly only that I thought were you give me a slice of history for an obscure slice of history. And did not understand I was not trying to listen now to the delivery or the production and I was losing my train of following the story thankfully I stayed with it. Yeah it was interesting it was really interesting now you mention that he was a former producer yeah you know with was it radio t.v. Station because of finals but he's written some t.v. Episodes or t.v. Shows based on a lot of work I don't n.p.r. Shows as well so I think he kind of came from a production background and a writing background but I think he still does some work. In that space but he in 2015 this show was the memory palace the show we just had a clip from was brought into. A really great network of Paul cos in the states based in California called Radio topia and they're a bit like kind of indie record label where they they do a lot of fund raising and they have some big shows in which you're able to support let shows and it's kind of like a pull cross in collective So I think one is able to make something a living out of the work he does and the memory palace now and he's been able to take it to museums and be a podcast in residence and he did at the Metropolitan Museum in New York as well because there is a rich and I'm sure you'll agree there is a rich well of talent within production staff wherever you go you know not least here the b.b.c. Who may be somewhat frustrated you know it's thrilling knobs and so on and you think they are the show directors they're the friends watch you photos or. You know the the modern day equivalent of the movie directors of our media and podcast made for them really because it was really how to tell a story how to produce a story how to deliver a story absolutely and I think it's you know there's something really emancipating I speak as a producer to myself. To be able to have this medium where you can self publish audiotape and you know get it in the case of this show the shows as beautifully as this is you get to an audience are the memory palace episodes are they all short and sweet like this or not that's one of the shortest ones they average about 10 minutes some of them as long as 20 and and some are as short as I think 90 seconds is pressed shortest a minute there which is the length is unusual in all cost as well I think these are you know there were fresh and short. And just Interesting know we've talked about this before I'm still not clear as to what the optimum time span for a podcast is I know there's a wide you know range of time that you can pitch your podcast into but. Like a movie like you know every has a sense of a film being 90 minutes long anything right your 90 minutes is considered to be long anything less than 90 minutes is considered to be short what was there up to moon time was the equivalent of the 90 minute movie in tombs of podcast times you know it's a good question I mean I think it's it's a more moveable feast than perhaps movies are 20 minutes is that is that in news podcasting and Daily News Poll costing 20 minutes is generally seen as the kind of gold standard of that's like a nugget that people will well digest on a commute or while having breakfast you don't want to give them 45 minutes in the mornings but obviously some you get some poll costs of the kind of there are some some popular American talk interview shows Joe Rogan. With Marc Maron which one to 90 minutes plus that for me is too long like this I don't have a much of a sort of sweet treats that across that length those shows do huge numbers so I think there's there is a real range of people listening to caucus and a lot different context and so it's great that can be shows of different lengths to fit that and so I mean there is one gold star your next suggestion for self starting podcast some surprises selves dancing given the success of Ronnie Lodge's book Why I no longer talk to white people about race and she's doing this podcast on or around that his I think she picked up funding for this one after I think after the 1st season from the Arts Council and the lottery and so this was a show that did it gonna support but was largely put together just by how you know it didn't come out and well cost network or didn't come wasn't commissioned by a broadcaster so this is when you had a large young. Journalists of Color from the u.k. Who. I had this kind of break up break out here when she posted she did a proposition 2014 in total why I'm no longer to talk to white people at Rice that wouldn't turn into a book and she expanded into this book cost and I think it's this is the this is a show where much like I think we all spoken about how you had to just across on this strand where being I would say get voices which on necessarily being well represented in the mainstream media all the stories that would be. To quote unquote edgy to tell in mainstream media the polka sing can really give that give you a very blank canvas to sort of to to work with him so this is a show which confronts. Racism in institutional racism in Britain and elsewhere and I think has been you know been very impressed by the show so we have a clip here from one of the final episodes in the season. In the aftermath of any kind of public conversation about racism a question in sports it happens online and. It happens between friends and between strangers Here's a couple of examples from a quick browse of social media as a white person what can I do to help race relations. What can I do as a white evangelical to help my privates and 5th the film are accepted in a majority white chair now my read is of color are more concerned with how to cope rather than with what to do. But what can I do is something that want readers are asked me a lot. It was a question put to me last year by self-confessed podcasters. Want to be popular. The Hi-Lo show. Welcome to Episode 14 of the highly. It's now time for a 1st ever offer special with Granny as a lot she has now joined us in the studio thanks for having me thank you for coming in yeah I'm going to be one of those awful earnest white people he called me about it that final chapter and ask a question that is probably be posed to a 1000000 times which is what can we do as white people to help and racism because I know something you say in that final chapter that really struck a chord is he said there's no point why people wallowing in guilt and it is self flagellation because that does absolutely nothing in terms of progression so what would you say what advice would you give Well I don't know where you hold influence in your life I don't know your friends I don't know the extent of your jobs I don't know where you can assess where the institutional racism is really taking hold in your sector and what you as individuals can attempt to do to change that and so I'm in no position to tell you how you in both of your lives can attempt to try and change the problem you know I've been I spent many many years thinking about this a few years writing about it and I think that I've done a decent job of a assessing the problem but in terms of where you hold influence in your lives in order to attempt to overcome problem only you can diagnose that. I know it comes from a good place I can't stand the what can I do question. I think the Queensland Aboriginal activist group put it best with this cause. If you've come here to help me you are wasting your time but if you have come because your liberation is bound up with mine then let us work together it's all about solidarity. E.-s. To the humor it's clever it's is clever because it you know goes it takes you through journey from humorous is serious but it's it's true the it is clever and the humor works well for me the most serious bids I think are diminished somewhat because of the underlying music there the I'm not sure if that was necessary but I can see it is it is refreshing to be able to talk about race. Without the hangups if that makes sense sure I mean I think I think it's just you know this is something that we're seeing a bit more of that people who might previously have have only were in a book or any sort of thoughts across to an audience in print will turn to Paul Costas just as another media which they kind of expands and they can do different things they can bring in interviews more in a mall. So fledged long form way and they can run as long as they want to and they can do it do one season take a break for one to get up again. So I'd expect to see more of this kind of podcast in years to come of course everybody's inside so to produce a point cause as they wish but why do you think she put the music there what was the purpose of that music in particular you're lying very serious issues that I have to say I kind of agree with you like Stylistically I find I find that I find it overused and she uses that same piece of music at the top of every episode of the cost as well and it runs you know when it's going to 3 minutes I did find us a kind of. To a slightly strange production choice. It's something that goes there's a there's a big. Argument going on there and pull cost if you like because it's that's going in American tripe where your you're scoring nonfiction and which is something that the American shows you know starting with This American Life right the alap have long done but I think it can definitely be I speak as someone who occasionally ovies it myself in my own work enough to kind of you know in in the edit someone will point out to me that I've put in too much music so it's I mean it's a trick this very easy to reach for and perhaps we you know as a producer we need to scale it back a bit sometimes gossipmongers would sort of oh so this is an example of just a kind of home run great idea that is so simple and easy to explain. It's a bit like in the tradition of my dad wrote porno is kind of focus this is a comedy show. David Joe Wilkinson Poppy Hill stead of think David and Joe about comedians and actors pop is comedic agent I believe they're all pals. Of longstanding and what happens in these shows is nothing more than these 3 people reading out unsubstantiated rumors that have been sent in by their listeners and they are often lewd. That they usually surprising and they read out kind of a dozen or so of them perhaps you take about 2 or 3 minutes to unpack each each room and they go this funny kind of robotic computer voice that will recap what's just been said and that's why it's a silly funny. Because it's quite rude when we do have a clip in I spent some some hours today scoring through their access to find a clip that would be appropriate share on the radio I think I managed to I must find the only one is from Tom. I have a bit of gossip concerning the provenance of a much love seventy's hit song. I was told discuss it by my mom's ex-boyfriend affectionately known as bonce wa. It was the summer of 79 I'm bummed soirees my. During the school holiday I. Saw his mom's ex. Is mom's ex boyfriend is also a lot it was a summer of 79 and bond soirees mates were enjoying the school holidays going gaging in some under-age drinking at home here point water sports center in not sitting in a. Whilst on a raft in the middle of a like one of the lads noticed the bottle that appeared to have some paper inside it said of investigating further they apparently. All similar tiny sleigh and without any discussion began to charm message in a bottle message in a bottle message in a bottle. This curious incident. Of continued with their lazy summer afternoon I'm not like. The evening in the lads a got tickets to see hot new band the police playing at their school. But despite sounding. They did actually scored 979. They were enjoying some of the hits when all of a sudden the singer announced that they're about to try our new song. Very often known low and behold they then launched into the song message in a bottle. I. I'm. Over her. Like and it's still one annoyed that he never received any songwriting at all. You'll claim that one which one of us hasn't chanted message board so we see a bosal Flosi it's funny it's funny is funny yeah yeah. You go. It's become a big hit this show and I think you know they just started it on it we're going to cry and it's now they've grabbed sizing that runs and I mustn't make money out of it which is just I'm glad to see it's nice to see British t.v. Shows doing well it's a team effort it's almost like you've got the other people there like you have canned laughter in a comedy show tell you when to lawful what to laugh at in case you missed. It is that is needed in the background I just wonder where they're not Manipur. Why my sense of joy and humor Sure well I mean for me I think I take this one in kind of small doses so I would this is a show I listen to lights 4 episodes on the trot on the trot I kind of dip in every so often my need a bit cheering up. But yeah I think that's a similar you know my dad wrote porno you know it's a runaway train it has the same thing where it's 3 people and there's a lot of kind of court saying and laughing. Ok and you go I'm all for us as well wouldn't overcoats I think of this when they harm you so yeah this this show began in 2015 I think marked in its own so a little way a question difficult moment in British radio comedy is it was it was a point when the b.b.c. Network stopped being the only the only means by which young writers got their sitcom West to market. So it's this it's a it's a kind of Radio 4 style. Comedy sitcom is set on a fictional Channel Island of his fling and it centers upon. An undertaker cold blood job fun Who's that stiff necked and not very communicative or likeable but he's the he has a monopoly on the taking on this channel and until a dashing and instantly popular new undertake a court Eric arrives on the scene and we've got a clip from the opening of the very 1st episode now hidden in the English Channel is an epiphany on the island is a village fling veiled village has a square in the square has this lovely little antique shop about opposites the antique shop is a funeral home which is where much of this is to chronicle would be set I'm afraid you see I need to tell you all about a man named Rocky yet fun he is the funeral parlor he's responsible for all the funerals in p. Fling failed and today he experienced what was undoubtedly thought worst day of he's lucky. Which to be honest was probably no more of a do you. Would know that I tried David k. Pounds. Episode one. The bane of tragedy. We gather here today to celebrate the life of Stanley Jesse Carmichael who was taken from us every 5. It all began with a fugitive the antique dealer Stanley com Eichmann shop was immediately opposite rock yachts premises had leisure a life of peace and order to accomplish some 89 years and then subsequently crushed to death by granite sunrise which I confess that I never actually bought anything from him his prices being quite steep Actually though I did have my eye on that Sunday I might still be tainted if it came down in price into int and of the Stanleys relatives pretty top areas at the prospect of getting something for that granite some to help fix the bias and by his eyes sunken the skinny pale and drawn and takes to a drug addict that looking at his watch and wishing strongly that the referent wasn't that's not stick is on the out looking down at us from his plays with God that unless you don't believe in that sort of thing which I won't hold against you my Jew God probably will unless he doesn't exist in which case he would have anything to complain about really her reverie So if somebody is Robert Oh well Dave that shall rambling sorry your rambling again oh god how might this have said Sorry where was his spirit looking down on us from his place 5 from his place we got yes yes thank you right like I was looking down at us from this place with this no end to actually I didn't suppose we could have a quick show of hands could be no no come off if you believe in God. You put your hands up get. What you have what you believe in the Right right yeah. So what I might do is do the safest twice what is we've got to eat and the without but really. You can't go wrong with you man and that's a problem the radio drama that one yet I'm being amazed by how well it was it was a professional act it's the sound design is great you know that would go on Radio 4 without. A blink from me indeed so to talk of that as a self-starter is quite something nevertheless we bust and we've gone through full selves thoughts as now which of these you fancy the most which is the one that you listen to again and it's going to be the memory palace for me yeah sure the longest relationship with all of it's not a bad show it would have to be gossip mongers for me I don't know why just my friends much and the idea of reading out these whether they be real comments from listeners or fictional ones doesn't matter not for well that's that's according to each and if it doesn't matter whether you know there's an authenticity to the comments that they're discussing in the open it's called something else or isn't for me thank you well keep curate up talking and see if it makes you much talk make sure it will take notes and. Recommend this morning in the next. Program we're trying to catch up with what happened at the top 25 they had some extra time I think it's fair to say because they were supposed to wind up on Friday and then they went into the weekend extra time so the question is should it have really gone to a penalty shoot out for all the difference this weekend may. Not much different. Some kind of. Agreement that comes from years and clearly from anyone at. C.d.c. Radio. Good morning this is hard on for our driver our daughter added via the menus this hour Boris Johnson welcomes is new. In sport Freddie Emberg hopes his players don't lose hope as Arsenal are thrashed by city. This is b.b.c. 5. 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The Bay of Plenty where white Highland sits only mortar says it's working through the noise to try to restore supplies to thousands of homes in Bedfordshire people in Leighton Buzzard had to queue for both old water and the company says a faulty valve has been fixed but there's still air in the system Ben Stokes has become the 1st cricketer to in sports personality for 14 years the ward voted for why for the public follows his performances for England in the World Cup the ashes over the summer has more in this in the sport in a wee bit which is warning shoppers about the dangers of buying Christmas tree lights from a loan market place sellers which is says could be a fire hazard the consumer groups tested 13 products almost half fail to safety test Robert Jervis Gibbons is from the charity electrical safety 1st what we know from our own research is one in 10 people. 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Customers often these things are based abroad and being sent directly to people's homes they are dangerous that is the reality that is the fall of live news Casey has a sports interim also boss Freddy Emberg says he doesn't want a loss to affect their confidence they went down 3 mail at home to Manchester City Kevin Durant a double and a goal from Raheem Sterling early on put the champions in control Well it leaves also 9th in the table now 7 points adrift of the top 4 Yeah but also says he'll have to deal with as a lot of the midfielder reacted angrily to being substituted he was booed by fans chose a Marine and praise his side for their late 21 win away at Wolves Tottenham climb to 5th in the table while ended 11 between mantis United and evidence Ben Stokes liked his fellow England cricket team mates as he picked up top honors at the b.b.c. Sports Personality of the year he was voted for head of 6 time Formula One world champion Lewis Hamilton and well 200 metres champion dinner. 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