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Bill sounds of Africans who was going to go for world football phone and the numbers of dogs and join in the conversation. 808590969308085909693 we're talking football a new Europe and South America this morning in a cools talk you full of about play is playing nowadays for measuring ages I think I've got it right yeah why not so talking football in those ranges and plays from Deb thank you ninety's as well but once again I join in Iowa 80859 or 9 Suzanne 3 you can text us 85058 or e-mail up one night at b.b.c. Dot co dot you can always say if you stick your phone number in an e-mail to us we'll call you back. He met up all night a b.b.c. Dot com dot u.k. So welcome back to the Viva Maku Vegas' momentos Good morning. He's our man in taking care of football in Europe. My daughter is coming over your side suits I'm going to link you to up so that you can take her out for some expensive meals you know wherever. Football in Europe and the legendary know is in Rio take care of any questions you go South American football so welcome back to typically as well thank you very much I hope will that works out better than it did when you sent your god daughter over and. It never happened and never did I was a wife for you ladies and then I got this message I'll get in touch and never date you studiously avoided buying her drink is one measly entering was all I asked of you with a gun. Am I man or mouse Tim. Well what is there a mouse in a studio is that is that the conundrum here is it is a conundrum us or a mouse Yeah you've seen a mouse anywhere you see espouses I wear when I go right there on the stair where on the stair right there a little mouse really. Worried don't worry about that we've got that covered because we're going to start this show with hoots Mon why no. That's. My take now he said looking to. Take note of you asking questions at the moment. And they seem carefully mark I said it's not your generation you gotta listen keenly to the words I'll take notes. This is big on this in my listener now. It's. Not and I don't see being from the young generation what was loose in the piece and there's. A moose I'm not well enough to melt and they'll let loose in a house. That he looks too boring. I don't know if it's a miles per. Hour but is it a mouse or is it a moose Tim. If it's a moose then I think you should buy the coasters you could yak. For him you know Fox that where ya I couldn't care less also know of your generation moto Mari he beat me to this occasion as well but is it a moose or is it a mouse. I'm a grass Yeah yeah kids. Yeah his house is not strictly speaking of moods or now. Goodness this was supposed to be a straightforward quiz I think I'm abandoning it at this moment yes it started out pretty well but ended tragically we could news. Broke in him is 11 you go to number one in 159 if your information does go straight to Jose you know Alston in Texas and that Jose. Hey Don are you doing very well thanks very much I always feel that because of Joe's Amory Yes you call you Joe you say but it definitely is how you say yes yes way Jose But that's Ok I don't mind if you're not. Pushy he's extraction it would be Joe's a few who wouldn't. Yeah Ok And you're asking about Aston Villa. Well not really Aston Villa one of their best players Czech relist. Yeah. And James Madison as well and pretty much I just wanted to ask if Tim and Mark if they've seen them play what they think of them and. Is there anyone in your past that you passed players that you saw on t.v. . Or live better that they remind us 1st of all what do you think of on the print player because the spotlight is on buy for them you know they are the amongst the standout players in the Premier League currently and people raise their eyebrows as to how long as the Villa can hang on to the net loan and you have a team trying to come in for them well I'm one of the fans that wants them to be part of my team. The same to them and United fans. I would definitely would want both but if I can only have one I think it would be check why was it done to impress you. Not to mention the goal that he scored against us when they were o.b. At a glance u.t. But he's just he has this air of just cool mess. That not a lot of people have. Maybe it's the Sox being rolled down there or something and everybody seems like you such a throwback. Boulder times and you know I'm not that you guys are old because you're not you know I am but the others are yeah I know he may not know you mean. Well I was just wondering you know what you guys and also I want to wish everyone a happy all the things that's very kind of you and likewise from us as well now I'll go to Mark 1st on this is staying with us because Mark Jose dismissively almost mentions the rolled down songs now people of my generation and perhaps Tim's realize knew a long time ago that when the Sox are rolled down you mean business and a job can I wonder whether that still has the same impact as as today but what if you made it Jack greenish and James Madison. Yes throwback is definitely the word I mean I don't listen to fifty's music about mooses I don't know what what we mean by by throwback is his hair as well as an attractive Brylcreem and his hair and everything. And the way runs around the field all over the place is definitely a kind of throw back to Madison as well in a different sort of sense kind of wacky. And I think why they've been so successful is they find spaces in between the lines which are a lot of players they would only be really good players can what's interesting is not broken into the set and I think that's probably because of discipline problems off the field or in their careers and circuits a bit wary of that. Sort of I mean you know because. Yeah. It's going well for them a club that I would worried about being too early I mean certainly Madison I mean Lester are going all comes blazing good as I was a different case for you knowing relegation trouble but it's. Kind of talismanic but now definitely in January I'd stay with him yeah I haven't got a lot to add so I'm going to ask a question to Mark by storm this thing of what they should do you know do you think . Jose as well do you think that this quality of player should be looking to get into the Champions League now with the way that less than a lister going you can imagine Madison having a chance next season Aston Villa now it's not going to happen between the Champions League next season do you think it's imperative for the developers of these do these players that they get into the Champions League as soon as possible. I'd say yes because if he wants to be an international football isn't the best way of proving you can play at international level is to play to European level. I'm just not certain exactly which team you would suit if we're talking about great. Well it looks like James is already going to be in the Champions League and if things go the way they are they're still going to be really difficult for him to leave even in the summer I think. That's why I think Jack is probably also. More financially parity all but definitely I also but I don't think our team is is as great to get into the Champions League this year but if we're still in Europe he can definitely take a step up yeah you see what the example I always think of with this going back a few years is Letitia I remember him Matthew little perhaps before the international audience really got into English football and so on but let's see I was a magnificently talented footballer and he studied at Southampton and I think it was a mistake because there was that thing of comfort zone he wasn't pushed as hard as he would have been had he gone to a 2 to a club really competing I think I would have got so much more out of him so hence that's what you know you're talking about throwbacks and your greatest What is brute brokering hair from the from the fifty's and he socks roll down from the early seventy's and it might makes me think of of Laetitia from the eighty's and early ninety's and thinking yeah well he should have gone each should a left Southampton choosing the right time to leave is never easy you know maintaining the momentum of your career is never easy but surely sooner or later they've got to get into that Champions League and Madison scene as you saying seems on course to do that next season but matches united the right club for Jack greenish would you you clearly want him Jose I get that but Bart posed the question which is the right club for these you know you need talents is it necessarily mentions united if you were Jag release where would you go currently unbiassed was Jose. Well I don't want to answer with I'm sorry yes we will let you guys are a great club and I love you as well. But that being said I think. He I think he would fit us incredibly well because we need we need a creative player and that's what he does he's like Mark said he's in the spaces he not only scores goals he dribbles he attracts players to him he creates space for others it's he would be exactly what we need I think you know what it's like when you stick your head above the parapet and come on to opponents Well football Foden Jose you get an immediate response to what you say. Let me give you tell you just the response one e-mails a greenish is the English Platini That's not bad is it look you know it's we want that level Michel Platini that's a pretty good kind of comforting. When I'm writing about Michel Platini But his career I always wonder do I say followed that there was a material that he was playing of absolutely no idea what you should really call him good for a bit like Schneider was well was not in and of kind of was always kept in that kind of number 10 position did he fulfill his destiny was based on a. No no follow that one season with intern 2010 was pretty special Ok and then he went to Turkey for some unknown reason. They're all very quickly greatly shocked to be careful very prevalent problems he had in this area career off the field and now away from him but as I said to say a moment ago there are 2 emails here with regards to how easy it is comments about agreements I'll give you clues to that so do the 2nd one I think kids from an Aston Villa supporter would you think he says. He's off exec Lee Well down 100 percent bearing in that some corner what I pedalled see there for a month is he did you have a job so Jose I did I did it is for the join by the way it is from John so I'm going to any in the data it was of those Brummies to bleat hands off he's mine best know a bad one that's not a bad show the b. I'm glad you brought Ranking Roger man you know is he keep your hands off. And keep hands off jack little enough to be happy about a.v.f. See the moment but Jack has been brilliant Anyway my villa related questions I'm going to ask you to on the road Jack. Some point today I'd have to go for the big version that as much as I love Ray Charles but you're you know the big youth. And yes you do and all but I'm a brother right but anyway go about well we're going to have to test our listeners on that one in a moment I would say can we expect the Brazilian international to come good or is it a lost cause with regards to who is who isn't one about I'm not sure who's a Brazil where you see oh yeah also it was all Douglas Louise and I got to who because nobody's Louise and ways leap both Mike their Brazil debuts in the him and the recent. Ok Hold on hold it's him because I'm going to ask Jose holes in that Holder thank you that sounds like another song. You owe me out here Motown doubts his work so has a joint on so that one can really expect their Brazilian internationals either of the mobo who have to come good or is a lost cause Oh I think that one's a bit over my head to be honest well that's fair enough to say that you've got to keep the hands of Jack relation this one's over you had I think we've rinsed out all your body parts for now thank you very much it's been a pleasure speaking and Merry Christmas as well thank you for your good wishes speech you see it is so good a couple of programs for Chris was well away so don't. Say they're in this state Tim the percentage was it has to move in or is a law schools. No I'm certainly not lost cause this is the 1st season there are 31 of the to Mark to see what he might see them but weighs only such a big physical presence you can get something out of him even if even if you use him as a decoys because you can play around even and obviously as I think is a is a class act has already done some terrific things that villa needs in his 1st season so no not a lost cause it's only it worries me sometimes how quickly people want to come to judgments and look now you know going going to Jose side united look now how for ages coming through in the midfield you know he went into a very very difficult situation in a club that was all turmoil obviously that made it hard for him to bed in but people are beginning to see the good side of him as well sometimes it doesn't happen instantly and it worries me that people want to want to go to immediate judgments on players Mark Yeah it's a very fair point this series have a little more leeway. For them to develop into the club and the game but with the striker strikers and scoring goals because they need to see that confidence completely. And I think the problem with ways that when I've seen this is go all the actually seems to in your. Training trouble a little bit slower than the average player you know 6 to Coker took series or seems to bring the ball down and it's kind of this 3 seconds thing ought to do and by that time is disciples already been taken off but you know the Premier League the top league has someone coming straight into it I was in Belgium I think for was me so there is quite a big step up and a bit of a risk that took taken Ok last more questions there's a route through some of these takes in e-mails that we've got at the moment. In Ken's was no whether you think the deck to rise was too Western United or whether he'll go to Europe or leave in January. Yeah it's kind of also a close kind of office at such a great start and then it's kind of hard for him because it's filled in less time than just getting over a room. And to call all 'd that and I'm quite young shoulders is maybe a bit too quick and if I was it might make me get out of there and Europe would actually make sense actually because I think this all clay requote could flourish abroad are there any teams roads with no i have not had a lot of speculation actually because I am I guess. European clubs don't really look at English players got off because they just naturally assume well they don't travel so well and why would they come to your when all the money is in the Permian I think but yeah West Ham's a bit of a basket case the moment. There was talk about United but I don't really know if it quite fits I think is it better for it than. If we're talking about kind of England holding the tree of this. Very guy was going to be then maybe is the sort of person the ring you know like so many just sits there and does his job Gabrial Bobo's deserve Euro Disney. Would he fit into images United's Mark Dartmouth was interesting one who did this is 23 now and he was Brazil's center forward at the age of 19 and he went to Europe and it was just a disaster nothing happened to him and into mine and lot of people of going off the roads and into my new There's clearly been something wrong there in recent years but nothing happened for me being free can ride on absolutely nothing so he came back to Brazil and he's done exceptionally well and he's gunning now for Liverpool do the flamingo who are the Brazilian champions there the South American champions who are on their way to Qatar for the World Club Cup to play Liverpool What's he going to do this is this is one of the big questions in Brazilian football because he's he's very very charismatic he's one of those players who are. Kids who support. Other teams are also reacting to you because of the goals of the schools in a way that in the way that he celebrates those very happy where he is but he's 23 if he doesn't go back to Europe now we ever get the chance you know the European clubs are increasingly reluctant to bring in players in the mid twenty's from South America they want to bring him in as teenagers so if he leaves it to long that chance my God now for me I would like to but he still on loan from into my own feeling I would like to would like to buy him definitively. And I'm fascinated to see him in the Club World Cup against a better quality of defender than he's been facing over here I think one I think there are a number of reasons for his problems one of them is he's one of those strikers who's not particularly well suited to 4231 or 433 in that he's not an out number 9 and he's not really a winger he's much much more suited to fall for 2 with a pair of strikers that gives him the flexibility to wander around to drop deep to run at the opposing defense and Flamengo have basically played a 442 that's been one of the things that's got this got the best out of him. That he might be at the top level a little bit to one forty's is very very left footed and at the top level as a striker you can't line it up like a golf shot like a snooper shot you got to take it to you as it comes and there. It is right foot may not be good enough to be really outstanding as a center forward or at the very highest level and the other problem has been his temperament and he scored a lot of goals be picks up as many cards he's petulant is mean spoilt and I think that was a problem also in Europe so if there is a Liverpool Flamingo final in this Club World Cup and you shouldn't take these things for granted both sides have semifinals to. Supply she was dying Wednesday before the final on Saturday I'm really looking forward to seeing him up against Virgil van Dyke because that's the side of the field that he likes to operate cutting in from the right it's the very side of the feel better now Virgil van Dyke is the left sided center back so they would be in direct opposition so that's one Clash and I'm really looking forward to see it is the most inferior to think this is striker line up was shot like it's nuclear show or goal show because you're literally watching it you literally get the opportunity to scream a sheep like 4 or 5 times. You know it was a monument at that there's a bit sneak a commentary that always makes me laugh It's now is that the whispering fellow used to do any society or he scene he seems to be looking at a possible plant and if you write that down and think about it literally just ludicrous and you seem to be looking at a possible planet but sometimes you've got time to think that to yourself what a strike is learning to shut up well it's good ones they don't use that time it's in the back of the net no backlift the keeper can't react in about it and indeed it's not just our listeners the instant responses by the way you'd be pleased to know I'm pleased in a way because it crossed my mind right thought Now let's stick to the footballing reasons as to why. We're comparing Jack greenish to Michel Platini But thank you nevertheless for pointing out Jake in Dundalk in Ireland what other permutations there might have been nothing of the sort crossed my mind and I'm not the only one I'm not the only one you Tim have been told off here as well. Let me find out what I thought it was what I don't need I say what I thought out so you say what you did you had the audacity to suggest that Matt Le Tissier should have their stuff em to even as you said I was trying to save you from now on I was going to say yeah but it was one of those individual players that wouldn't necessarily fit in anywhere else in the same. Around him and Nicky Basingstoke says Dawson please tell the series Making by using start now tells you everything you can to disagree kind of everyone else he's going to agree. That one of the whiter numbers in Beijing says in a journey from Southampton here is still a journey could he could have you know his allegiances might be split but nevertheless is not this guy's. Please tell Datsun please go to the mat c.c.a. Should not have no Southampton enjoyed his football with us we loved watching him every week every job he loved him he was the best there oh great question about Freddie you good for you in a moment. 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Get the rug Jack can tell you come about no more my brother Ray Charles it was meant as our European football Chris Budden he said I should censor him for his because he's of that younger generation who probably doesn't appreciate the legend that is so brother of the original so Brother Number One Ray Charles what you think of this month's averages so I know there are some very clear. Just goes to show it transcends the generations of Yankee and they and him you love it you think this is the version dozens of Tim Tim Tim was soaring in London a solo Maria wrote in a brother I know he and I generally didn't know that. Oh my goodness this is going to be embarrassing for the Muslim Brotherhood it's going to be embarrassing for I never saw a Ray Charles the morning off he died I was in Floyd and I played on the edge to the blind Instead she where he was resident as a child I drove up there just to absorb some of the spirit of Ray Charles but that's not the same as seeing him live not once but twice so this is going to be embarrassing You see Mark. Tim So Ray Charles law I will I can say to that is that I saw a big youth alive. Which is it to be. Cool but not sure how these 2 songs yeah my laptop back to the flip. Of the song just do exactly the same as the original tells you that if you give it a little. Bit different style that I thought of ever say big oh whoa Sam would say you. Should be someone you don't mean you still don't you have to have a saying because there's no comparison. There's the originals are still in a crisis of course in this one case I think Mark has got a point when you hear a cover version. And something i Generation Yeah exactly does it Yes Ok he hasn't got the rage let's and apparently to be a ray let you have to let Ray let's leave that to one side you have got the right let's. All excellent and that would do us a. Little pretty good but it's not as pretty as I was just saying that he has got the right LEDs and that's the one thing I would say that. What to give should have done with this he should have got the I 3 they did back him on some songs but Molly's backing female trio he should have got them to do you know that's what I keep to rove check this you know good he should have got them to do that and then he would have been a killer and that's one thing let's put that aside now let's talk football about Jimmy Freddie Ljungberg I wonder I'm coming on to that you see all pretty. Well. That's what some people are saying Have a listen to this email to Mark as a doona Can you please give me hope this is from Chris in Waikiki in Hawaii so that's a long way to hit the road jack or Freddie or Chris as a as a goon or can you please give me hope for the remainder of the 20192020 season it's ready you the right man is kid take it will shoot all who should be asked Tuesday manager is top 4 out of the question or is it possible that we could become the next Leeds United in flip with relegation my personal opinion is Arsenal should go all out for color and should not experience a visit all coach in other words hit the road Freddie Ljungberg. Yes I have to agree I mean. I didn't even know for a young person to turn himself into a coach I mean you remember as a player he was just a player that you didn't think were coming coach you know quite quiet off the field you know. That. Oh no at all and also what really worries me is when you appoint from within and you make an assistant manager coach you think well hang on the coach is going to hired this guy was working on me him so sure the assistant has to take some of the blame for why things weren't going well. And you know you just don't have 3 new manager Pams that you normally get with a new guy so I think it's pretty clear that Freddy isn't going to get long term now until that he's available then obviously since the source of the q. Giving Chelsea how many close to Sky lunch a lot he won't and it keeps him going wrong laterally I mean by me got rid of him all of a sudden when they realized things just weren't right there and you know training sessions were being done properly and stuff like that I mean actually is a bit of a weird case because I was the owner of the and just. Very demanding and basically told the whole squad and I'm sure lots of you have to go on a week's retreat to try to save this season and I'm sure that you just turn around Sherman said no so therefore we all knew that once they got through the Champions League he was going to be fired but maybe kind of needs a bit of a break after the chaos of Napoli and the Italian name is a vaguely I mean Alegria is available and so with talent in some ways quite. Figure and he did so well that you think forget that he won a championship with me that in 2000 and let me one of the worst mean and sides to ever win and the so I would kind of go for the leg where the problem is language wise you know actual Artes Inc This was never brilliant but it seems English is certainly better than he's German which is kind of why I actually thought as well like using This is a bit better I think they've got to go try and go for a top coach like that now to crack out the rot and you know seizing vision stops for him didn't stop David Luiz understanding what he meant you need to ask a few shows he went losers they know me not meet me me understood he understood very well then if you disagree with your description of Freddie you anybody did the kind of underwear advertising the you did talk of an eye sore and surely you cannot describe them as being reserved Ok That aside he has got to pay scoring or at least he has got Pepe scoring a goal and it was a crack of a gold as well. It was an either so good player they massively overpaid for him you know somebody not totally proven themselves in the top European league with all respect to the Leo and friends and you know they were saying oh there's not a lot of money around you know and then all of a sudden they find you know 72000000 from somewhere so I'm not sure they really needed him in that position when you go. Over man but going back to what you were saying. Tim was saying what for for to this is to be up this obsession in European football No 4 for 2 doesn't work when you come play 2 strikers oak top together who are kind of similar That's absolute nonsense if we look back at English football that's exactly what did so in Shira York I'm cold so similar that it would excuse each knows what Iran is doing and if you'll pocketing out why I think Cole was in the middle of the box and vice versa and I think it's obvious to me that luck is an opening and has to play together as just a normal from 2 and that means you don't in that kind of meet this this strike that you can just play it by a winger and that might then elp because then you go for people in the midfield you can actually dig in and help when people like Mr Ursula not be tracking back as much as they should. No no not really marks marks covered the waterfront you know I was thinking about in the terms of formation about 4 Ford soon saw without one comment already about you know formation of this or current. Dalliance with different formations and why our car can bring a South American perspective to that because that's something that year ago I play a lot for 42 because they they have Swat is uncovered honey so you know if you've got 2 strikers like that who work together so well obviously you're going to play him it hasn't always been easy for them to get the right balance in midfield because one of the problems with it I think that the main reason that it went out of vogue and you saw this clearly in the World Cup at the start your was 1st games where they were in a very weak group and they started a couple victory but without playing particularly well the 2 in midfield can be outnumbered if you've got one left and one right you know that the central 2 can often be up against 3 and the game never really flows I think it was watching England for years when England were just wedded to 442 was really really like that so that that that I think is the problem with it and there are ways round that you can split a striker's you know with one dropping dropping back a little bit to Mike to make the 3rd man his image in sentiment field especially when when you lose possession of the ball you can play lopsided fullbacks So one is is is pushing up very very high allowing the midfielder the wind midfielder that side to move into the center while the other fullback plays plays a more defensive role and you can get around it like that but one of the problems with it when it has just been a line of fall that opponents can can get more men into the center of midfield and play angle. And the angle will always be destroyed line yeah the triangle will. Be a straight line and that's why I think it went out of vogue obviously as Marcus said the big advantage of bringing of bringing back is the possibility of playing 2 up front and having them able to play off each other so if you can do that and find a way not to be outnumbered in essential midfield I think it still valid curious if the legend you know knows anything about Mathias Pelligrini from a studio and says David Beckham's do m.l.s. Team in Miami's just signed him as one of the key players appreciate the show's always stream joined in Tacoma Washington your ads by the way saw him go on and on I was going to say you had by the way bigger is starting to heat up he's got 4 Yeah yeah you do wonder and authorized this to Mark as well if it's quite the right club if he's free enough to do what he wants any old time if he would do better in a in a more ambitious expensive it's allowed near and that the new year. Pellegrini hadn't seen for a while but I was very impressed with him when went when I saw him a few times and in general I've been really impressed with the recruitment in Las from from South America and in general I think they do they're doing a terrific job of identifying talent so the people doing the scouting for the m.l.s. Clubs I think of done extremely well. Mojo to comment on him said about the run is he had the right. The question is the right leak I think bending any to any way or just a little out of the ball and things are rushed I think I could have seen him prospering more of the kind of Florentine like hope than maybe Newcastle with the ghost of being at Newcastle their hand is you know it's going to toughen him up and you know you've got 50000 math fans there if it week absolutely loving you solo. In the middle easy on the Med I know no matter where you. Need to score more goals obviously as. I think we knew what you meant I was just trying to be mischievous then we can roll with us hello row. Fine thanks for much what you couldn't from and coach from Toronto woes cold no snow well remember yeah yeah there was week. Last week good to see a good defensive Coolio go ahead yes so I have a question for Tim and it's about Rex it but not the breakfast you're thinking of. There is it it's a footballing Breck's it and it's the exit of really young talented Brazilian players exiting Brazil as it were for a big European club very good point yes. I'm a Real Madrid and have been for over 20 years and. Few players have excited me as much as when it's his junior and how do we go go ahead and so I want to ask him about you know I'm sure and Brazil there's a sense of pride at seeing 2 Brazilian teenagers start and score in the same game for Real Madrid as they did a few days ago but what I'm more curious about is whether people are concerned about what this means for the quality of the standard of the Brazilian League and are people talking about you know how can we keep these kids in the country for longer so we can enjoy their talents at least until their early twenty's as was the case with Neymar but now it seems 1617 or even younger they're being whipped with Europe so I'd like to hear that side of Brazilians thoughts on em. Yeah you can't take them until they're 18 but these days on talent that is in the 1st team when they're established 1st team players by the time they're 18 and they're going this is not a new situation for Brazilian football this is been happening for for for so 3 decades now you can see it through World Cup squads the World Cup squads of 78 and before no one foreign based 82 had one or 2863 or 490 it split down the middle one of the reasons that they had problems in 909594 from 94 onwards the vast majority of squad are based in Europe and the way that the market has gone just in recent years the European clubs have arrived at the conclusion that the gap between top level football in Europe and in South America in Brazil the gap is now so big that you gotta get them as early as possible because if you get them when they're in the Internet kind of mid twenty's you don't know if they're going to be any good you don't know if they're going to be able to adapt the football in Europe is much much more dynamic the space between the lines is much much more reduced so the whereas like 1015 years ago European clubs big European clubs would buy players that 2425 now if if if you haven't been sold body to 22 you really have reduced chances of making it to a big club you can still probably go to a smaller club for a lesser fee in France or something beyond that age and maybe work your way up that's the way that the market has gone and Brazilian football's had to get used to it on its It's a way that a lot of clubs look to balance the books they need some white players sales in order to balance the books and it's almost like become an export industry there is obviously huge concern about the the the. This has on the domestic game because no doubt about it it really really does lower the quality of the of the domestic game on the other hand as you know as you pointed out a hole there there's tremendous pride that they can they can produce this this quality of players from time to time that the kind of thought goes up you know how can we get these players back and you look at the reality of Brazilian football and you just can't possibly see how you look at the calendar of the there are so many games and kind of meaningless games that the players have to play players if the side doesn't win players can get attacked by their own fans at the airport when they come back it's not a very attractive thing and yet we've gone well past that point of critical mass where in order to prove yourself as a top class player you've got to do it in class football in in Europe if you've already done it in South America there's still that big question mark against you and that that is not just a verdict from outside so in that's a verdict that the players have themselves I remember there's that unfortunately that the fellow who runs the place is going to hold and he doesn't do it anymore but quite close to where I live there is a football school where you used to give free lessons and he was really really taught in the basics of pass and move football and he got some are lots of it is graduates from this little school very humble little school went on to win professional contract all over the world and the 1st time I discovered disco was in was in 1907 and then when you talk to the kids at the age of you know 789 saying what's the dream or the dream is to play one of the big local local clubs here in Brazil go back a few years later just a few years later speak to those you know the new crop of 9 year olds what's the dream Real Madrid and Barcelona you know that the generations of now have grown up globalized and I would ask them you know 19 year old kids why Real Madrid over. Sloan but they couldn't a found spine on the map but they had in their I in their heads they are they are they that it's better there and it's hard to see how that balances is going to be river dressed because even if Brazilian football could compete in terms of salaries and it can't but even if it could you would still have the problem that the greatest players from the forefront calling other all corners of the world would still be congregating in Europe and that's where you got to go to prove yourself as a as a great player so for the time being I can't see any solution although there is always space for those who are coming back and those who haven't quite come off on the Flamingo side or champions of South America you can clearly see that the goalkeeper and both full backs are veterans who had their time in Europe and came back a century midfielders Yes and he was he was in Europe he was in Italy for 43 years did all right but not good enough he's come back the 2 strikers in magnificent full . We talked about early on and blue knowing he cues probably even better both went to Europe and did absolutely nothing so it's a little bit like you know there is room for players who go to Real Madrid and Barcelona and don't come off air or can't get in the team where they can go somewhere else and in the same way there is room for Brazilian football to repatch rate some of those players who haven't quite settled in in Europe and that I think has been one of the secrets of flamenco success this year Rose you again a European perspective on this given that it's bricks and you know I mean. Had I been wonderful new to market Yeah indeed what have these clubs got to save themselves the road Madrid's a bus loads. Well from their perspective they just want the best players that they are yes Ok so you know selling if you motionless in South America as well and it's a bit of a swagger as well just bringing in a Brazilian player your own players are saying oh this guy must be go to from Brazil because it how could Brazilian players have been in the past and also you know presume football is just do things sometimes the European football wouldn't just excite the crowd and you know run for the entire defense like the old Ranallo used to do so it definitely lifts a European league as well because it just reinforces the message yes this is the Crandell a crime the old you know the new son. Is there something to say the same thing I just managed to control myself I thought no it's not true that that's not my club point but yeah you know that great Brazilian some young. You see where this question about Briggs is taking his row with that in the lead in Syria. Exactly the sort of exactly like now the follow up question to you and your. So with what somebody like Cinesias might Mike My next concern of you know what a player like him moving to Real Madrid at such a young age does for have a development. But last season he he was he did a great job because he introduced some freshness and vibrancy to a very stale real side for the fans to media darling everything was great now this season he's the there's there's some frustration which I think of ludicrous honestly for many fans at the fact that he doesn't create or doesn't score a lot of calls there isn't a lot of and product yet and there's a lot of pressure being placed on him to do to score a bunch of goals and people forget that he is still a teenager and worried a sort of about whether that's going to end up with him and with his creativity being knocked out of him because of the pressure of playing for real it's such a young age and I don't have the same concern with Roderigo because he seems a different breed one who incredibly calm on the ball and just knows where you want to. Go thinking when he when he's on the ball it is a remarkable talent. I think back a little bit with that problem of instant judgments and he's so far ahead of where people thought he would be. He still well there's no reason for him to be frustrated at least still miking terrific progress and he will eventually become seen. At. The. B.b.c. Radio 5. Good morning this is up or not on fire. Alimony is on 5 Live boys Johnson's urging people across the u.k. To heal their divisions over breaks it and in sports a new deal but can Liverpool surpassed Arsenal's Invincibles. This is b.b.c. 5 live with the b.b.c. 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