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Thank you Daryn good morning the Egyptian air force has carried out air strikes on what's been described as terrorist locations following yesterday's bomb attack at least 235 people were killed at a mosque during Friday prayers far as Gerges is a professor of international relations at the London School of Economics there has been an insurgency in north Sinai for most 15 years and this particular insurgency predates the spectacular rise allies in June 2014 and it has many drivers social and economic and political grievances by a large segment of nor sign against the Egyptian state the Metropolitan Police say an incident in central London which led to armed police being deployed to Oxford Street was caused by a fight between 2 men 16 people were injured in the rush to leave Oxford Circus cheap station after reports of gunshots being heard his 5 lives it said panic around the area people were just dropping their shopping and running away from the scene people seemed to be crying and and generally the whole area people were gripped with panic but then we had this announcement that they found no trace of any suspects or evidence of shots fired or casualties the. 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This is a point I don't $500.00 an ad buy a coming up in this after the deadly attack on a mosque in Egypt is President al Sisi in charge and in control also has America continues its soul searching following the sexual harassment allegations in the film industry why are some of the top women celebrities stateside supporting a woman who was convicted of killing a man when she was 16 we'll have regular updates throughout the program from our 5 live cricket team at the Ashes at the Gabba down under Australia 192-4548 world from a phone in Europe and South America and players from over there playing in Ali's you can of course text as an 85058 you can e-mail up all night have b.b.c. Doc You can join us in an hour's time for the kickoff 108-085-9096 extension 93 legalities here is in the legend Dana both want to hear from the. First said Egypt to military says it's conducted as strikes which have destroyed vehicles used in the Sinai mosque attack and terrorist locations where weapons and ammunition was stopped 235 people were killed when Islam is militants detonated a bomb inside a crowded mosque during Friday prayers and then gunned down fleeing worshippers it's considered to be the deadliest attack on civilians in Egypt's modern history Mona Eltahawy is an Egyptian American author and columnist in The New York Times and a meter Mikhail is director of the s. Had center for the protection of minorities in Egypt Iraq and Syria and welcome to both of you to our program and thank you very much for taking the time to speak to us 1st will Mona this attack seems to have been carried out by a local affiliate in vises does the Islamic state have a lot of support in Sinai and in Egypt in general. Well we haven't had a claim of responsibility yet but what we do know is that for years now there has been an insurgency on the Sinai Peninsula against the successive Egyptian regimes now some of those local groups that have been engaged in the insurgency have more recently affiliated themselves to what we call dash in Egypt or Islamics of the so-called Islamic state and they have stepped up their insurgencies that since the overthrow of Mohamed Morsy who was president for a year he was overthrown in 2014 but I think beyond you know trying to gauge how much support the insurgents do have in Egypt will be on the religion to have in Egypt I think it's really important to recognize that successive Egyptian regime to have failed utterly in this feeling of we're just going to bomb this out of existence because as we saw with today's horrendous attack what it's done is it's just escalated violence it has made thousands upon thousands of people in northern Sinai especially more marginalized and displaced from their homes and it hasn't made anyone any safer I mean you can't any doubt in your mind that this attack was carried out if nobody says some affiliate visor. Well I'd generally Desta wait for them to come out in claimant but the pattern is very distinct and clear I'm seeing several attacks against. Feel over the years and the Syfy order within the within Islam and it is an express intent for them to eradicate Soofi beliefs and practices in Sinai Yes that is one of the key issues with this attack isn't it for people looking or might wonder why an organization the causes of Islamic state might attack a mosque if it is obvious that you are absolutely right we should wait for confirmation but these are one of the key issues with this or why one of the smoking guns if I can put it in that form is that this is an attack on a particular branch of Islam the Islamic state regard as the rest of us essentially . Yes that's correct and it's there's just the added element that ISIS or dash has. Impacted thousands and thousands of Muslims around the region and their specific focus on sushi ism which many Sufi. People who practice to feel is and they do belong to Sunni Islam and it's it's a practice it's a belief in a form of spirituality and so they'd while they express Lee say that it is a form of sorcery and apostasy in heresy. They have expressly kind of indicated that this is a form that they want to eradicate 1000 January of 2017 when they came out with very clear statements against that and so while ISIS and dash have been known for targeting religious minorities outside of Islam they've also had a huge impact on Muslims including so many so many Muslims the mode of the insurgency that huge talk about which is. From a different perspective than Is that make state what is that about what's the root of the source in the history behind the insurgencies against successive Egyptian governments in Sinai. But it's a very long and complicated history that can be taken all the way back until 1982 when the Sinai Peninsula was liberated from Israeli occupation successive Egyptian regimes the Cairo government is over looked at the Sinai Peninsula and the various battering tides there with a great deal of suspicion and disdain they often don't consider the Egyptian enough there is a lot of discrimination against the Bedouin in Sinai the area has been marginalized and hasn't been developed in the way that it should we don't have any Bedouin from the Sinai and put into represented in Egypt in cabinet so Egyptian government so there was a lot of anger and resentment especially in northern Sinai toward successive Cairo governments one example of just how things escalate on the convention is in 2004 when they were to attack to arms militant attacks against towns in town Sinai pub and way back. Then President Hosni Mubarak scenting his police and they carried out a brutal and very bloody crackdown in which we 1000 men were arrested in North Sinai many of them tortured and many women children were taken as hostages to try to bring in more suspects now this is just one example of the kind of atrocities that the Egyptian successive Egyptian government has committed in North Sinai. We've had several other attacks again because like violence begets violence and we've had several other attacks on the peninsula both in the north and in the south under the presidency of Mohammed Morsi and now under the presidency of the popular . My point connecting all of those is that whether it was the police forces of a Barak or the military under most or the military now on this you. The military option bombing our way to a solution is not working as we saw today thought from today's attack and what even worse is that it estimated that there were been at least a 1000 Egyptian security forces who have been killed in attacks on the file open incidents in 2013 and at least 200 of them this year this year so the situation has stopped of itself is this working in a place it isn't and yet as you said in the lead up to to this segment the 1st thing that the regime did was to pump vehicles what we need in Sinai is development of the region people need jobs and people need dignity and a reason to live they don't need anymore bomb I mean I certainly heard you groove some money was saying that if that's if if this is the issue you agree centrally with. If that is issued that people in Sinai need economic help support infrastructure support from the government why doesn't the government do is it simply because it is money was saying that they don't regard the Bedouins as being true Egypt sions is it simply an ethnic issue there. There is a huge ethnic issue going on within Sinai and you look at that the history of the region as Mona said. The entire society in Sinai has been marginalized at every single level both in government and economic and social and when you on the ground in Sinai You will also hear other you know various distinctions made among the Bedouins as well where they would 1st call themselves Bedouins and then there's this debate about you know the Egyptian Inus of of the region now this is. An interesting it's an interesting fact and it kind of falls into our the research that we do into the ethnic minorities there in the sense that there's a distinctive group that has been targeted at multiple levels by the government and as as Mona was saying that the successive bombings and the attacks and the impact that it's had on civilians has just furthered that that divide and further exasperated the populations of civilians that live there who benefits from. I would say that hint of pain I think the guy had hoped to go it in you. Ok I think that this leaves Sinai as fertile ground for recruitment by those armed militants be they the ones affiliated with or others because you know the North Sinai has been under a state of emergency since 2014 and has been under a news blackout for several years so we don't even know how bad things that are unless this loan kind of talked about development plans since 1995 the Egyptian regime has been talking about a development plan to Sinai and it's just income paper so what happens when you don't have a job what happens when the homes blown up what happens when there is less displacement and my Celeste receiving anger unseating resentment and that leaves the population in North Sinai specially fertile ground for recruitment by these militant groups who benefits from America. Well in addition to that which I completely agree with is is that there's been a recent trend of like the use of positive law to try to show that the country is moving towards a post revolution democracy and the use of laws has on the contrary been. Been just a form of a deep and crackdown on free speech and free association and many of the different core rights that are upheld and like enshrined in the in the constitution and so one thing that happens is that this targeting and this continued impact or the computer situation inside Sinai is used as like this form of the law age age old debate of security versus rights you know are we going to promote security or a going to promote rights and so it's often said that with these terrorist and continued terrorist attacks the government has to have this stronghold over terrorism and so with the continued threats it definitely feeds into that paradigm who we've heard President trouble ready to eat in support of President Sisi. That's what you'd expect because c.c. Is a hard man if you like Washington's man in Egypt off to repenting the quote unquote threat of the Muslim Brotherhood is he not. Well you know Egypt is one of the us is biggest allies in the Middle East and the search rule of Hosni Mubarak was propped up by at least 5 u.s. Administrations both Republican and Democrat and so Egypt you know to echo what. Your was saying them Egyptian excessive Egyptian dictators have been considered the best source of stability in Egypt but what poster what priced stability comes so it comes out with deterioration of rights again as a mirror was saying and it comes at the cost of the Egyptian people and Tom does not care about that what Trump cares about is this military solution because he too is engaged in a long you know decades long look at the u.s. His role in Afghanistan the u.s. Too has been touting the so-called war on terror the u.s. Too has been using drones and the military option to try to bomb its way through this so-called war on terror so of course something's going to help the military option but I think at the end of the day both Trump and g.c. Have to understand that neither of them combine the way to so-called terrorism and neither of them can you to call anyone who opposes them a terrorist because just to give you one example just tell us we can Egypt a satirical blogger who has nothing to do with the Muslim Brotherhood with dice with ideas with any of these groups was arrested was charged with belonging to essentially a terrorist group so c.c.m. Tump cannot continue to call anyone who opposes them a terrorist this is not the way to solve this whatever happens to the Arab Spring in Egypt. I mean. Yes Well the Arab Spring is. If I if I am bold enough to try to summarize the various various and diverse dreams and passions that were kind of going into that was a desire for freedom and a desire for a democratic society of some sort that would allow people to have the freedom to grow economically socially religiously spiritually not religiously and many different various types of freedoms that people were seeking. And the that the response in the government especially in Egypt I mean for this for this conversation has been to try to quiet those and to kind of slowly suffocated out there's been strings of laws in repressive policies like for example the emergency law that Egypt is currently under nationwide and. The resistance against the freedoms that people have tried to seek out has been very very fierce as as money was saying this is the different people that have been targeted that have nothing to do with terrorism whatsoever both publicly or privately and that has been shown repeatedly throughout the past few years in Egypt please both of you do stay with us and frustrating hearing you are not a sense of what's going on in Egypt but for now this crossover crew could seem at the Gabba down on the for the Ashes and the old road is that I'm I'm mistaken in thinking that was you in that pool on the boundary. I did not bring my swim as with me to the Gabba doesn't for that very reason that the last place I want to be is in a pool with a lot of all Z's in those very small cement trucks that Rachel bandis room describing as budgie smugglers as the only debt tide is going to get mentioned today but I'm safe enough it'll come cheap position high up above the gap or it fell to St. And and it's a bright sunny day and it's it's been a quite a slow morning 255 Australia have gone on to so that I did just 35 runs for the loss of one to a case that I'm sure Marsh was told to open boning of the stripper all caught by Jimmy Anderson for 51 but the new bull has just been taken by Jimmy Anderson and alongside me is England ashes and World Cup winner. Should you think this is going to speed things up a bit yes him one way or the other whether it's so runs off the bat or wickets. Being courage Jimmy Anderson by a bit of a shape off the 1st ball that he bowled and then if I had to go to an unconventional sort of plans ahead of taking this new ball and bowls on this offended by pain to the off side but a beginning spare for Tim Payne 7 years in the wilderness he's got a job to do coming back into the Test team and England's their plans to him before the new ball was taken with was really just try and hit the top of all time get it making through to the slips of the keeper pitch is still quite slow it hasn't quickened up as much as we anticipated it might with the interesting thing befall taking the new ball the way he will was that the plan to Steve Smith who is the best batsman in the world he averages over 60 he is limp it like for somebody who. Want to catch that it doesn't take sense and that's Team pain as we were just saying Dawson this man has played Test cricket the 7 years he has played the pantry Cricket Club a couple of years ago he's out for 30 Australia lose their 6 wickets $202.00 for 6 and he showed what a ball want to catch and what an absolute review to have a delivery we saw that he was getting a bit of a shake but the new ball is in enticed him paid into the shot but an unbelievable catch from Johnny Bairstow diving to his white taking it one handed they were actually just having a quick look at the noble and I think I think he. Case just behind the lied but a pretty good delivery it was just on the top of off stump to pay didn't know whether to go forward or back but he's for me for 30 scored after a straight 6 for 202 and they trailed by a 100 but as you say in a really really important time now for England here if they can try and remove that the next couple of batsmen quickly would name it stop come in and kick can go big when they want to but the fact that there's a new ball I think they'll still like to be quite positive and. Especially get someone like an Anderson or a broad They might just try and have a have a bit of a dash if it's going to be really interesting to see how things unfold in the next hour or so here Dawson because as Asia says Australia have a long tail they have pretty much have run out of recognized batsmen apart from Steve Smith So they want to see let Steve Smith have as much of the strike as possible at the bowlers will try and hit out when they can but that lead is a $108.00 it will be desperate to keep it as big as they possibly can for as long as possible Australia 202 for 6 and if you're too stupid Michael country it's a from 5 Live Sports Extra radio for a long way the b.b.c. Sport website and app with the Test match specialty And how about that timing. Question because I can't decide reverse the delivery was better than the can't show the can't grow the delivery issue would you think. Oh we've become so used to this film from Jimmy Anderson So I think it's a bit of regulation for him but for Jonny Bairstow I think that was probably one of best catches 11 take so I'll go with the catch where you go. Yeah it was it looked good to me I mean because bearing in mind that Jonny Bairstow has been keeping to the spinners for the last few overs as they've just ground wound down with the new ball and he's got suddenly be ready to spring into action as Jimmy Anderson comes on with with the new ball and he was lightning fast off the ground and he took it absolutely brilliantly but then you know we. We have to face it the way we've got at that that the best bowler in the world to the names of the best batsman in the world at the moment to Jimmy Anderson and Steve Smith So it is a terrific contest I want to test match we've got here yeah so please you a company house or out the night thank you very much for now our Ashes cricket team over at the Gabba We'll hear more from Ellie Oldroyd throughout the night with updates from the Gabba but also do remember that you can catch up with her for ashes breakfast with all the best action and reaction as well here on b.b.c. 5 Live we've been hearing from. The director of the as shared Center for the protection of minorities in Egypt Iraq and Syria and also from Mona Eltahawy use an Egyptian American author and columnist in The New York Times we talk about what's going on in Egypt particularly in the Sinai desert but as they've been telling us this has all sorts of implications going back 50 years at the very least so bring us up to date now then Mona 1st is President el-Sisi in charge is he in control in Egypt or is he really fighting regard action to try and hang on to control would you say. Well if we take his words and the mandate that he presented to the Egyptian people he promised security and a better economy and he has failed to deliver on both of those counts because when you look at security today's attack is obviously the worst in modern Egyptian history from a non-state actor against civilians and if we look just last Toba it was another terrible attack again by militants against security forces in the desert just outside of Cairo so when it comes to security he has failed when it comes to the economy Egyptian pound was devalued last year and it lost almost half its value when it was floated and Egyptians have been struggling mightily since to afford just regular day to day things so exactly what has presidencies delivered to Egyptian So I would say it has failed so far and I think that the reaction to that failure in recognition of that failure is easy regime has been carrying out a series of crackdowns that I can only describe as part of a more frenzy that is supposed to have a vote so its position because it has failed so miserably on the security and quantity front so in October we saw a terrible crackdown against the o.t. b G Q community in which at least $69.00 mostly gay men were arrested off the rainbow pride flags were flown at a concert for a Lebanese indie band who sing is openly gay We have since seen a t.v. Presenter who was sentenced to 3 his in prison for daring to talk about having a baby outside of marriage we have seen a pope stop who has been banned because he was considered to have ridiculed the river Nile were seen another puffed up put on trial a party because he ate a banana suggestively in a video and you know I could go on and on and this is just by way of explaining that to cover up it's failing to see regime has been conducting this all starting up a small frenzy Egyptians deserve better than this Egyptian does. Jobs Egyptian dignity and a good life and knows were also demands of the revolution that we began in 2011 there may well be so the mirror but Egypt will get another crack down were they from prison o.c.c. Response to the attack on the mosque already as we were saying it's conducting the military in Egypt is conducted air strikes which have destroyed vehicles used in the Sinai mosque attack in terrorist locations you will you would expect more of a crackdown from the following this when you. Yes I would. I would agree with what Mona said but I would like to just add that. Repressive laws that have been put in place since since 2013 when Sisi 1st came into prominence even prior to his election as president. The outset of his of his presence and his impact in the country started with repressive laws and a crackdown and that has been the pattern that we have seen since 2013 it has been incredibly oppressive and and it continues to be so and so there is no other pattern for us to expect at this point except that that it's going to continue especially at his word so when he says he's going to use brute force against these ISIS militants or the militant since that ISIS hasn't claimed it but the militants in Sinai. And apparently has already has already started that then I would expect that this is going to be a continued pattern that we see in Sinai and in Egypt as mainland thank you both of you really appreciate you talking to us a much. Of the city had center for the protection of minorities new gypped Iraq and Syria and also to Mona Eltahawy and Egyptian American author coldness of New York Times Let's go to the guy before the major So there's been a wiki Oldroyd Yes Mitchell Starc 6 and out he hit Stuart Broad for 6 of the couples later brought a really sharp cotton ball stuck out to 6 Australia 297 ish ago what a moment that well we anticipated that something was going to happen with this naval and 2 high quality skill bowlers and Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad I just thought with which dog there was no point him just dawdling around he was always going to have a bit of a dash 2nd before he pilots still brought over his head physics but Broad is a while but the last laugh a bullet slightly Will pitched up tables later. And Stark playing it down the ground not in control of it and it really is reflex catch for Mr Broad who in his run was calling for a cut to deviate to his right and it was fairly comfortable in the end but a really good wicket for England because Mitch Stark had her opposition attacks just because of his cavalier approach to batting Cummings's in now he is another player that can have a go with the bat but he's playing Test cricket at home clearly different scenario to approach and James Anderson now have 899 Test wickets between them I have a feeling that number 900 maybe not too far away 297 Australia Smith still there on 80 Cummins is the new batsman and it's been an exciting morning so far come cheer for on Test Match Special Radio 4 longwave 5 Live Sports Extra and England still lead by 93 Eleni should thank you very much and I will catch up with you very shortly again our top story this morning is going to Egypt and the brutal attack on a mosque there we've heard about the issues the surround the attack 235 people killed when Islam is militants detonated a bomb inside a crowded mosque on Friday prayers the Egyptian military has already responded with air strikes we'll have more of that I'm sure in the coming days also 1st let's get the latest 5 more headlines his army. Premier League football. Yes this is b.b.c. 5 live Egyptian air force jets have struck what it calls terrorist locations and it's in response to yesterday's gun and bomb attack on a mosque in north Sinai at least 235 people are said to have died in the incident police searching for 2 men thought to have been involved in an altercation that led to the evacuation of Oxford Circus cheap station 16 people were injured during the rush to leave after it was thought gunshots of be. Heard Zimbabwe's new president Emerson man and gagged were says he wants to reengage with the world in his inauguration speech he called for foreign investment and praised his predecessor Robert Mugabe and the president of Argentina. He has ordered an inquiry into what happened to a Navy submarine that disappeared over a week ago with 44 people on board hopes of faded of finding anyone alive since the Argentine Navy said any event consistent with an explosion was detected near the submarines last known location and then still doing well in the 3rd day of the 1st Ashes Test and more Matt later but 1st with the rest of the sport Here's Nick Hatton David Moyes has his 1st point as West Ham manager after his side came from behind to draw 11 at home to Leicester Marc Albrighton giving less to the late for say equalized late in the 1st half really pleased with the performance and as much as that you know that I had to choose and that we are in a boat and a commitment I think the crowed were terrific today I really do think that it was green and years in the stadium and as the foster mother manage West Ham in the stadium I just said it could have been Upton Park for me just because of the noise in the saying tough so good on the supports those very much but also think the players should should some for them to achieve as well than the Rangers to want to move off the bottom of the Scottish Premiership and would mean we're 4 nil winners over Bosnia Herzegovina in their World Cup qualifier in Warsaw Captain Steph Orton scoring twice what was a good night according to interim manager Moema Lee Barry have. Been doing a lot away since obviously we're going to Paris to them about like you know being a bit more creative than you know I think the other cities that we created obviously very pleased with it is obviously tough opposition and very difficult to break down and for over are very happy the performance Wales because it's down one nil in Cardiff Manchester United captain Michael Carrick has revealed that he's not played since September because of an irregular heart rhythm the 36 year old had a cardiac ablation procedure after feeling strange during their League Cup tie get . Burton Kerrick says he's healthy and back training hard with the team Gloucester up to a 3rd in the Premiership after beating Newcastle 29 points to 7 in the pro 14 though wins for cheetahs Ulster Cardiff Blues and Lennon stuck at the really World Cup in them or face the holders Australia in next week's Finally if they can beat tongue in today's semifinal in all Clint and then looking to reach the World Cup final for the 1st time since 1905 and captain should have locked in says Tom that won't be underestimated where the Tomlinson going to generate a lot a lot of support and there's a lot. Of reforms also yes there's going to be a tense atmosphere which of if it's good for us we see the market probably top of Roseburg been in Melbourne and then top again there gets to be n n l being at the best level of commentary on 5 live this morning from 5 o'clock. 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This is b.b.c. 5 live up all night with the buyout Let's talk about since Sawyer Brown she was just 16 years old when she was sentenced to life in prison for killing a man who picked her up for sex in 2004 but has stories making headlines again this week off to celebrities including Kim Kardashian Rianna and caught a delete down to Venus has me join a social media campaign to set her free they say his sentence is to extreme given her age and circumstances and it has got the United States asking itself some tough questions about itself as a society Well Dan Burton is a filmmaker who made the 2011 talk documentary maybe facing life since ois story he spent 7 years charting a case from the week of the arrest throughout her trial and after her conviction Scituate Brown. Came a runaway at around the age of 16 and that. She was always treat on offer for better part of her 16th year and she got holed up with a guy who took her in who was it shrug deal her in a pimp kind of a guy he abused her sexually for several weeks well and then push her out on the streets to raise money for him and then what happened. I suppose it was sent out to the streets to go raise money for for the Congo that in a cut throat and because throat said that you you had best come back with money or else I'm going to kill your mother I know your family is so since we went walked a block from where the motel that he she and cutthroat were into the past several weeks and a man 4344 year old man picked her up and wanted to engage her for sex she offers him money he wanted to take her to his home he was she wasn't comfortable with that idea but that's the way that all worked out and says You want all of them and over the course of the evening. Seemed to have got a pretty panicked because it looked as though to her that he was reaching under his bed for a gun and that free trade out and shot him why has this case now come back into the headlines because this is a case that is 13 years old designs done that's correct scintillated Brown was arrested in 2004 we started working on the documentary in 2004 right there a day or 2 after her arrest it went out on public television American 2011 and then of course it went worldwide and close including the b.b.c. But the fact that it has gained such an amazing interest right now I think centers on the issues that are now coming up for discussion in America sexual abuse we're seeing in the news constantly. Where there are lots of discussions open discussions about what's right what's wrong about how we treat women and whether sex trafficking is something that is is low. In 2004 was a joy it was arrested she wasn't considered she wasn't considered to be sex trafficked she was consider prostitute the lozenge up and the laws of the United States changed very shortly there after and what's happened in the 13 years since oyu was sentenced what's happened in the mindset of Americans does this story now. Does it have a greater significance is it now a much more wider story because of the way perceptions of change in America. Their perceptions are changing America on too little justice this is not a new topic it's a topic that's been that's been discussed openly for the past many years. The the big thing that I that I think is happened if you look back in the past decade new science has come forward to show that Jewels need to be are different than adults juveniles in America if they are accused of a violent crime or thrown into an adult court there is no provision whatsoever for a juvenile thrown into an adult court to be treated as a juvenile they are subjected to adult law if that process that has created a big uproar this is why Scinto is story is making such a big noise because it's not that sin Toyah was innocent she's not she actually committed murder and somebody died as a result but I think we have bigger questions that we have to ask when a child is subjected to sexual abuse sex trafficking if you will and if a child is subjected to the pressure is that they themselves are not equipped to handle at their younger ages can they be Heil entirely responsible the way that adult would be all responsible this is the issue that everybody should be centering on and this is what I think is going to surface she was sentenced to life imprisonment 13 years ago she said when she was sentenced to a Brown was sentenced to 67 years 16 Tennyson's correct info and in 2004 wins sued soon to a Brown was sentenced the sentence for a felony murder with aggravated assault is 67 years now according to Supreme Court I'm sure that all being thrown into a long sentence has to be given the option opportunity for parole. So per parole in the state of Tennessee is after serving 51 years so what we know from our research companies and doing a lot of research on this is that juveniles who are given a sentence who will spend 50 years in prison probably will not live. Up to the end of their sentence and she has changed of that time isn't she because of some of those go of a graduating from a cool sleep she would say consent to it Cinto has taken advantage of every program afforded her through the Tennessee prison for women and through or university looks good and looks come University in Nashville I think in the cases into it Brown what's happened is she has had a chance to fix yourself she has taken advantage as I say she's taken advantage of education programs she received an age agree she has now just about completed a bachelor's degree her critical thinking skills are on par with a young person her age I think that because of the programs at the Tennessee prison for women and because the the university program she's a very different person also keep in mind as as I mentioned earlier the Supreme Court the Supreme Court recognizes that brain science is different and that children are half baked until they get to be about 25 years of age was in toys almost 30 she's grown past the the full extent of brain development and she has taken advantage of Acacia programs for the past more than 10 years so she's a very different person she's not the same person she was when she was arrested in 2004 are you in touch with the I am in touch was into her brown on a fairly regular basis and what was she not can. How won't she go in through citoyen her young years was trying to figure out was trying to get her head around what it meant to be the trouble that she said yes she was quite aware that the of the charge she excluded where the murder she committed and she what she was not completely aware of is what her reality was going to be the fact that she's now moving into life in prison that they were of our documentary Facing life since only the story really centers on the fact that she was proud playing with the whole concept of what it means to face life in prison she has stayed focused on 2 things she stayed focused on her education and she's also stayed focus on the greater good of what even she can do from behind bars to help prevent other young people from going down the path that she's taken there are many reasons as you can imagine why people would have sympathy for sin toys not least her age when she was convicted the circumstances that you described you know when people hear that there was somebody called cutthroat you need in these times having some empathy also but there are 2 sides to this story there will be. People who grieve for the person who's a victim as well do you do you have any sense of what they're going through I can't imagine what it would what how I would how any of us can really. Process such a lot someone's life being taken away from us. I also I had to wrestle with this is it as a filmmaker I had to wrestle with this because here I am. 14 years ago 13 years ago with a camera rolling out a young girl who actually committed murder I had to get my head around what that meant at the time and what that meant throughout the entire process it was nuts until you're Brown's decision to make to kill someone at the at the other end of the spectrum. Johnny Allen made a pretty bad decision himself and I'm not trying this case I cannot speak for Johnny Allen I cannot speak for is intent but he did end up with a girl in a very very bad situation there is no justification for murder unless it's pure self-defense and since when is this into his defense she heard fence was centered on silt since again I wasn't there so I don't know. I can't see the matter how we look at this no matter how bad it is bringing some to bring Johnny Allen back is impossible so that the bigger question I think we're left with is how do we manage youth Now how do we Matt manage to find what's now what conversations can we have with children and maybe prevent violence I can't see you know this these are really big questions this that America especially all of us in the civilized in any civilized system need to wrestle with John Berman the filmmaker who made the 2011 documentary maybe facing life since ois story has had to Brisbane now for an update in the cricket and he Oldroyd is there for us is the new bulls to work and bring Minnelli it's a really tight contest at the moment they sing then to take in 2 wickets with the new ball as you say doesn't team pain at Copa Hein the most brilliant catch by Tony best off Jimmy Anderson the 13 and Mitchell Starc course and bowled by Stuart Broad to 6 just 5 balls in which he hit $16.00 and was then out a straight you have moved on that $211.00 to $7.00 Steve Smith is still there $81.00 not at Pat Commons the new batsman is still to get off the mark and England's field come even close they are well it brought his body from the felt to straight and this is like vultures gathered around a corpse but at the moment Australia are still in that 211 to 7 and 9. One runs behind Steve Smith the change a man to England will want to get Fascinating stuff Test Match Special continues over on 5 Live Sports Extra and Radio 4 longwave just over 10 minutes from lunch was a good good point to be had looking forward to that one and he thanks very much for that now Zimbabwe's new president promised the crowds at his inauguration that he'll open the country up to the world you also pay tribute to his predecessor Robert Mugabe to muted applause calling him Father mental comrade in arms and my leader so what's the number one issue this new leader has to tackle. Is easy Bob in public health specialist a blogger and a social affairs analyst the economy is the main issue underpinning most of the challenges involved with it and he understands the yes to reach out to as many as possible in order to harness the economy so I rushed out of the use of the international community as a looking to stabilize peace in the country so very good at 1st very measured man we don't know much about him in terms of delivery because it never been allowed to surface must be hard to take a simple governor was very much in control of this country didn't realize how suddenly the the Lacoste. Well as you say Crocodile Rock indeed the president is known as why why did he go how did he get that nickname. It's a function of 2 and I actually want to make my really very good point which is. This was kicked out of the penalty if you like was kicked off by grace or God or grace MacArthur in the absence of Mugabe working it's been a kind of rule sleeping if you like in the last 710 yes sir gap she moved in she built young colleagues around and they became very strong in their will of the g. 40 g. 40 because they are mainly young in the political context 5065 and became very wealthy very quickly and the low cost angle is more the more entrenched it was that angle also Sylvaine title to the throne because they have been in. Love With journey for a very long time so over time she became very powerful so powerful that she was the engineer and. The firing of the commander was and when she did that. The army is incredible incredible movement was involved with was to be to be honest with us that kicked off by women I think that should be underestimated in the African context because women are generally the participation in politics is extremely minimal and that should rise to this level is just amazing it's been an amazing 2 weeks in Zimbabwe as his job how different will the new administration be in comparison with Mr Mugabe's administration some people would describe Mr Mugabe's regime is. Not very positive for Zimbabwe. It will be interesting to watch but I'm encouraged by the 1st day Rory Stewart British minister for Africa has been bobber today as we speak and that's that is absolutely phenomenal Britain hasn't been part of this dialogue because Mugabe wouldn't allow it we were reminded again and again his lengthy speech that we will never be a colony so that is beginning to reach out already is very very interesting is looking outside because he knows he has to but I mean from the region and how the region participates The lower than that today he took a back stance because he was fiercely. Fear support of Muslim Brotherhood because ashame the time is of if you like our families are dynasties and will apply of lemon into politics. Yes a very very interesting that he is beginning to reach out he knows he's going to reach out possibly to the opposition as well as we go into the elections because the opposition had the key some wants to be economy when we're in a coalition economy actually did improve. The main point here is listen his main asset main asset is actually abroad. The human capital that a river Giancana me mainly in the diaspora and we've been able to do that very well supported as. He knows he needs to reach out equally the diaspora needs to strengthen its engagement with the government that we all have to do we will always have work to govern what about that whole new thing godly loyalist out of government as Mr started with a clean brush. Absolutely not we're still in a van to be clear this is this or this was an obvious conflict this is an obvious conflict there will be those who are switching sides purely because of the wind to switch sides those are now being publicly embarrassed because they were so public about their support for Grace McGovern particularly but we can't they were not free of one of the of I think the style will change and their approach will change some of the behavior the organs that remain or that they will remain but at the moment. If he had it's probably got some good people around. McGovern never really recognize a good people around people who wanted to be innovative and. Not just of the landlocked. Of the communist approach which he created over the as. They were never not expressed themselves so I think he will need to recognize about the cars of the society to be very active the use the youth are incredibly important to harness and their participation in this process and we saw that in the streets. These guys are already in the streets because they're already unemployed so hilly terrain and all that and I think certainly my my up my point is putting in many many more women into this participation of. A Zimbabwean public health specialist and blogger speaking to me this catch up with the headlines on stateside this week she disappeared through the poor arm of the Us paper Washington Post and you're leading with this morning as well you're leading with the treats from the president on Egypt on oh no we talk about it but the main focus is one is the attack itself and then we also have an analysis of the talks about what exactly this means the. Company just recently as early as yesterday I would say talking about all the winnings has been doing including in Syria and Iraq basically is talking about how they defeat an ISIS caliphate. Islamic States capital Iraq kind Syria but now we find out even though you you you destroy the Caliphate that's not really enough to end the influenza viruses are over the world and now they have to think about the. States affiliates in the rest of the places even earlier Merican officials were talking about how talking about Libya that. That may be another rising place even people who are been leaving Syria maybe ending up in places like that and continue with their fights and what happened today in Sinai shows that they're affiliated in Sinai in Egypt is also. Fighting to show that it is a force to reckon with at this time and maybe some it could be some kind of a past struggle within various affiliates or they just want to show that. Mix it cannot be just defeated by ending attacks in Syria and this means it can go anywhere else and already u.s. Has been fighting the threat in an American soldiers were killed and we still really looking into what exactly happened there in the brutal way especially one American soldier was special operations soldiers killed and so Americans think this is this should give us pause to think about what kind of started us already how. State carrying out this truck and car attacks all over Europe and even in New York it happened if these things continue then just just bombing in Syria and Iraq is not enough and Americans will have to along with allies think differently and worse the Washington Post has been focused on how to stick it to Donald Trump with regards to the Russian investigation I see the generals be making very yeah pretty key attorney general as part of one of the advices of this is Jeff Sessions he was a former senator and he was one of the advisers to trump during the campaign presidential campaign and so he met with the Russian ambassador and others during the time so he recused himself from the investigation so he doesn't have anything to do with it but he's focusing his time on all his conservative thinking like immigration is really in the Force band the travel ban from announced and forcing it and also he's trying to fight various cities which have something called a sanctuary law which doesn't allow the cities to handle the illegal immigrants the catch up for anything else to the federal authorities and all kinds of civil rights and transgender rights and he has been imposing on the kinds of ideas quietly without anyone noticing and because everyone is focused on their at. Best a Geisha and Trump's affiliates and his friends and cronies and family. Desiccant it's always a pleasure thank you very much it's good theory night in a program of The Washington Post so we'll open up the phone large now for all world football phone in Europe and South America this morning and players from over there play.