I just love the. Cold malice toted express something of a real day left it all right it is now 6 minutes past 2 So while I'd like you to think about doing in this next few minutes on the big phone it is if you have any misconceptions about disability I would suggest you get ready to cast them to one side permanently to get rid of you to meet a g.p. Who is a wheelchair user She is a woman who's passionate about making sure that in every aspect of life anybody with a disability guess a fat chance gets treated properly she says her difference in the job she does as a doctor should enable anybody else who is different to be treated properly I feel it's all right to be different you get to meet Dr pops that's why she's not as popular a lady doctor Hannah Barnum Brown she's a disability advocate and an advocate for women's equality she blogs for The Huffington Post get her a most recently she was named on the 28 a disability power 100 list by the shore trust and she's currently a cheapie registrar based in Leeds welcome How are you I'm very well thank you thanks for having me you're welcome you once said The world won't change itself will it. Do you have the Yeah Yeah I came out with like gold like that and yet what is truly the world the world doesn't change itself we have to kind of get out there and not necessarily fight but make ourselves and that's what I try and be nice to the time I go show that people know what to do when someone has a disability that either affects who and how they are to the world. In your case you're in a wheelchair the I think we have to allow Not much but allow much room for error not knowing what to do or to understand what that person might need or indeed not to ignore it but to accept it is that fair comment Yeah I think the key thing you need to do is normalize it I think one of the reasons that people are so anxious about being around disabled people is they don't see enough of us we are often quite a novelty in society we're not the sort of people you often necessarily see in us place and that's because we've got all these misconceptions around in rowing disabled people and that sort of thing but I think we do need to kind of normalize disability and yeah it can be quite never a king if you don't know what to say I mean I'm a doctor I meet people with different conditions every day and the easiest thing really is just to ask I will never ever be angry at somebody going are you going to need a hand with anything if you just let me know that's fine that's the perfect way to approach it I'm more than cut to saying Nice thanks I'm all right but if I need anything it's really kind of too often and then you just move on and get on with your day but I think people are so anxious that we're going to be angry or they're going to get it wrong that they just don't and as a result we end up feeling as disabled people quite kind of pushed away ignored and not brought into society and into the conversation when we really do need to be that otherwise as a society we're never going to develop why you're in a wheelchair so I've got a condition called Aristotle syndrome which means that the college and that makes up things like my muscles my skin my joints is really stretchy and that means that my joints can dislike a quite easily I was diagnosed did this having run a half marathon my kneecap start again Hi I'm a leg which is a little bit painful and I did myself a lot of damage not realising that there was an underlying condition so I was diagnosed while I was in medical school is quite a physically demanding job being a doctor and it became quite evident I wasn't in a managed to stay on my feet all the war drowns not sort of thing if I didn't have a chair because I just wasn't managing my pain safe made wheelchairs mainly a pain is she. And it helps me manage that I can get up I can walk up and down stairs if necessary I'm actually quite my bile but for me to be able to work to be able to get around to not be taking painkillers all the time my chair is a vital asset so I think that's one of the key misconceptions people often have about wheelchair use in particular is everyone assumes we're paralyzed when actually any about 20 percent of us are completely immobile when it comes to wheelchairs I know you've had patients will talk about the way they respond to you in a wheelchair in a moment but where colleagues medical colleagues where for whatever reason you have stood or you've walked into a room and they've all gone. This is not the same kind of a very typical of those have the how do you deal with that I mean most the time I just laugh it off because yeah people often comics they are genuinely surprised you don't expect to see a wheelchair user standing up and say one of the things I do sometimes I go out and give a lot of talks to different groups around the country and I will occasionally stand up in my talk and walk around for a minutes here and then sit back down partly because for me it's quite useful to click majorities back into place but also because I think it helps break down that stigma a little bit one of the things I hear from a lot of real change particularly now we have this kind of culture of disabled people of benefit scroungers nor this kind of narrative around disability is that they're scared to move their legs and I know when I 1st became a wheelchair user I was living in London and I would keep my legs completely still on buses because I was terrified people would make comments because disability hate crime and peace is at an all time high at the moment and I was so scared people going to make comments judge me because I was moving my legs I wouldn't and a lot of other way Chinese is a like that so I think that's in the do you need to break down I try and do it humor I'll say yes what can I say it's a miracle day or something like that but it's it's no big deal really and I think as long as we can normalize it and do it and maintain lines of conversation not make people feel bad for reacting that way that's really key political activism is also a big part of what you do yet. But on a more personal level from being then able bodied. Not realizing you have this condition going to try to be a doctor being a medical school that is now your profession your career is taking off also in different directions. From being able bodied then to finding that this then accommodates who you are. How big a deal will see you are you come across to me as someone very much in control really sassy really thought highly intelligent out to do what you need to do was you have you always been like this I think I've been quite lucky because in a way because my wit mum's wheelchair so I've grown up around disability even though she has a very different condition to me I've always been around disability safe me it wasn't such a big step because I knew I need a system I knew what getting a wheelchair was like I knew some of the intricacies of it I think it was a big issue in terms of my own self image and how I perceive myself physically you know I'm when I became disabled I was in a long term relationship and now I'm single and say trying to like maneuver around the world of dating when you're in a wheelchair things like that hard to learn I know there are things like that a really challenging any do you end up kind of thinking I'm no I'm not the normal person you say on a dating site or going out or anything like that and processing how your rain self image is changed I think is really important so I now I try to look at my disability as a lot of the amazing opportunities I get coming in talking t. Around work politics speaking up primarily because I've been in a wheelchair and my experience has developed from that and so I see it's not set my career my life my opportunities are primarily because I'm a disabled person he's speaking out trying to change things and I would be getting to the heart of the fun stuff I do if I wasn't that person and say assurance is a positive goodness not always easy. Well placed with Brown Dr Brown. Head she wants to change the way you might view a disability she's just amazing. With. More in a minute. Yes . a cute. Baby with. Our enjoyment well up to Hannah. Who is with us. Political activist she's in we'll chat room we're talking about the misconceptions that surround disability I was trying to pass it. And then he said casually I used to from the big bad. Karaoke session. 0 one age then did you start to use the wheelchair How old were you at that point I would have been about 2829 say about 34 years ago so you are a young woman now and you've said there are some things that you've embraced do you with positivity and there is this campaigning edge but you were just saying sometimes it's not the easiest thing in the world what's been the hardest. I think it's the little things it's never it's never one kind of big huge thing it's just the little things that can grind you down when you're already having a bad day said like I used to hate running I hate running I was terrible run round this off Mars and promised myself I'd never do it again and then actually I couldn't ever do it again and now I live up in round 6 to round a park and it's peaceful and there are layers of people going for a run and when you're having a crap day seeing somebody else going for a run a knowing you call on. That can really get but I think the stuff that really frustrates me the maced is the kind of societal stuff they're like you know when there isn't a ram or today I was I was down at the pace this morning judging the health wards and I can get across the raid because there wasn't a drop cab so I had to wheel like another 300 yards back up the road to find dropped launch myself into the right to try and get across to another truck kept they didn't match up and it's these little sayings that make you late that just make your day that little bit harder that Keamy lead to the fact is there is small issues that if society just thought for 2 minutes we could change if that's her story and feel forgot do you feel overlooked yet I often say that in so many things disabled people can be left to set 2nd class citizens in our society something called the societal model of disability where it's not all conditions or all bodies that disable us society it's buildings being designed without with stairs but no lifts it's narrow doorways it's not having ramps it's not having dropped cabs those are the things that make me feel like I'm forgotten and as you. I mention I always get forgotten trains I'm always being left on. The business several instances but the 1st time I became aware of you was when you were stuck in New Street and I felt enormous sympathy for the story you're going to tell me that I thought if you were to get stuck anywhere why. Not read a distraction I'm sorry burning a hole full what happened say I think on that occasion the worst part of this is that there are now so many train stories I muddle them up in my head because this happens with shocking frequency I was living in London I had to get spending in to speak ironically at a conference for doctors with disabilities. And yeah it was just a kind of catalogue of nightmares trying to get across London in the 1st place and a about a quarter of the cheap system is accessible by wheelchair so I was having to and I was in a manual chair at the time so I was rolling up and down raids and all this sort of stuff buses the works and then yeah I got to Euston they threw a massive stroke to try and get me on the train like I basically had to beg somebody to get the ramp to get me on the train to get there in time and then I got spamming him and they forgot to bring the ramp to get me off so I was running late and then it happened again on the way back and I think the thing that really shocked me about that was life tweeted this I put faces up on Twitter and I've spent a lot time on Twitter and I have to it's this new got picked up by various kind of major outlets and everyone is really horrified once upon a i.t.v. Knees the next day listen to stuff with people going I can't believe this is so bad and I was stunned because this is normal for me getting left on a train happens at least once a week for me at the moment because I've travelled arms to London most weeks and it so mundane it's so normal that the idea that everyone was shocked and outraged and this was news about the I just thought was kind of hilarious to be honest because that's what people with disabilities face every single day in our country we have to beg and ask nicely for somebody to take responsibility for us when just trying to get to our way and travel around the country. I'm not a piece of left luggage but that's how I'm often meant made to feel as people fight over whose job it is to get the ramp out of the guy in the wheelchair Well actually I just get he gets the ramp I just want to go and do my job and live my life that's yeah that really gets to me Dr Brown is here with talking about the misconceptions that surround disability we're up close with your life do you ever feel better. Your mobility is limited that doesn't mean feel sorry for yourself but do you feel a sense of injustice. I truly feel injustice at my body I think I mean partly probably because of what I day and my upbringing so I've grown up around disability it's very normal thing for me but also because of my work as a doctor I meet people in far far worse situations the me every single day so I think it would feel very churlish of me to be angry at my own body when I know how much other people is truly Yeah I think it would be but I I I'm a big fan of the if you don't know if you cry school of thought and say for me i'm so I could just sit there and get angry and get better or I could try and make change and that way I feel productive I feel like I'm actually improving the other people because I think a lot of the time as disabled people we don't have many advocates we don't necessarily have many people who have kind of the background in the experience to kind of go out there and say we need to change this so I done work in communications and media in politics before I became disabled I had that language I had that experience and ability and I can use it I'd far rather be doing that and feeling productive than just sitting and getting angry and bitter at my own body that's not going to change anything it's just going to upset me more and I've got time for that you have a feel for oh god. Yeah I mean my condition manifests with a lot of pain so I'm often like going to sit there going to. I want to be on the safe I don't want to be stuck in bed but today my body is making me. And learning to accept that letting to set the pace my body needs is a pace to pace my brain wants to take that can be ready for straightening we are up close this out on the big funny with Doc to have a brand that will talk more about the political side of her life and try to just get rid of some of these misconceptions that you might have about disability on the screen this is the big. This is Rick Astley just great this season you want everyone to. See this when he. Gets. To work. To crack a new liver as they say. It all ends tonight did. You . Ever. 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Road quite busy is stop start the minute around the ring road more town of course the 60 more meets the a 6120 of course at the moment there were looking a lot better southbound it was quite slow because of that broken down by a car on junction 44 Wakefield road that's for acid and Wakefield itself of course and looking a lot better now on the a 58 in Leeds following the earlier police incident between the a 58 and the inner ring road of course and the Canal Street thing else seems to be coping Ok cause around Mother Road we still got that road works which of course been slowing things down into Midgley road so we're hearing and checking the latest for you so far this afternoon on public transport across West Yorkshire we have got a few delays on some train services on the East Coast main line I would have a knock on effect on services to Leeds this is a bit of a truck fault it's going on as so we will keep you updated on that of course if you can update us in the meantime anything you do give the colo 330-123-0182 you are bringing more in 30 minutes. Travel News 3 o 3. B.b.c. Radio leaves. Me with the. B.b.c. Radio Leeds We'll have more from the Hannah Brown in a moment let's look ahead to what's happening after the news 3 and this is going to get to the Russia a more I think very well thank you Election Day If you go we have we will try to provide well a bit of an update if possible but it's all kicking off now it's all starting off as it's going to be very busy so we will try to get to the bottom of what we stand with but also today one in 6 couples in the u.k. Experience problems having a family so take a look at infertility a little bit later on today. The king is now at Leeds Crown fitter and among its cast with some of the cast for the sort of have been in the Broadway production either over here but among. I'm only school girl who has got a part in the cast while he's here in late so she's spending. In the can you know it's great so we'll be hearing from her a little bit later plus 1st base music quiz in tightly round and t.v. Fame and we'll settle down with comedies Well really you know that because you were on normal life I feel like it's you know I probably would if someone had invited me as a plus one you did I'm not excited enough to go. To the big right she would be great either I wish him well yeah incredible. Thank you the b.b.c. Radio Leeds with you this afternoon between 3 and. My. View. You. Detraction afternoon I'm Liz Greene we are up close with Dr Hannah Brown this afternoon talking about misconceptions that surround disability she is a wheelchair user She is a registrar g.p. Here in West Yorkshire How are you liking it here by the way all right I love it I mean I get you in a box. So I needed to get out of London I think I mean anyone he's lived in London flat more than 10 minutes realizes the rent is expensive that you have to sell a kidney on a monthly basis to pay it so I want to settle down I want to get somewhere where there is countryside and I love my parents or in dollar base that place but not take place yet so you and I it was the best decision I think I've ever made well I wouldn't disagree with that you're very welcome to have it be made welcome you and I have it which is do you. Know this one's married to. That it's great if you didn't know it already made here actually really well Kim I think Leeds is actually remarkably good city on many fronts for disability needs more drought caps on the whole we have been and it's is the kind of place where I love it because they call a spade a spade up here and you might night's debate on that self say actually I don't like house on fire in Yorkshire and yeah it is really called Sing which talks about people's views on disability. And the challenges and the challenging that has been going on what we haven't really talked about is the politics. This is another very strong threat to you and it's about women's equality movement and it is about standing up and standing for election was a lack of so I've always been quite passionate about gender equality and equality in general to be as I've grown up with you know 80 very determined parents he really would be full for equality and for community my. It's a priest say I always kind of been a big supporter of the underdog and I think in a profession like medicine is still quite patriarchal so I've seen a lot of gender bias kind of 3 my training and I think to a working in medicine you see how much so we know that I 75 percent of unpaid care work is done by women in this country and we see how much of a burden women take in terms of covering for setting a health care setting and I just kept saying this over and over again in my work I've got to I've got to get involved I've got to try and do something and you know my interest in politics we have so few female M.P.'s compared to men pays women that do become M.P.'s or do you get involved in politics have to deal with some really horrendous behaviors as we've seen you know from high Deion's comments yesterday when she stood down on the road is now standing down and that more women than ever are M.P.'s being put up in front of recent action to the in the Labor Party at the moment as I think we do have a major problem with politics in this country in the representation of women so yeah I got involved in the women's equality party I was originally invited to that conference to speak on a panel about women's health because we know there are massive health inequalities when it comes to treating women and states that conference and just all this is this is a political home for me having felt very homeless after I left the Labor Party. Yeah I found the party and threw myself in as I tend to day say yeah within a few months I'd ended up signing as a local councillor up in round Hey and stood in the European elections this year as well saying quite heavily involved with it that I love it. At the African night long as there's a rampant to the stage. With. No want. Because . Kind of sparking with energy they're almost flying if it's and there's so much you want right there is so much you want to do plus you're a doctor plus you so you go to practice plus all that goes with it or you know what do you want because you I think you probably have the position where you can choose not to make a direct decision the 2nd but you have options yet what do you want to say I think that's personal and then there's the rest of the life is that the person will say the personal life you know I'd like to do the whole kind of settling down having a family thing but at the same time I want to keep pushing for change I enjoy is what gets me out of bed in the morning is trying to make things better and whether that's my clinical work for my individual patients or whether that's in a most societal level with the politics and the speaking and stuff I did elsewhere I will I want to see change I am so so fed up with seeing how different groups of people different tactic characteristics are treated in our country and it feels like we've become more divided than ever the last few years especially I think we need to keep conversations I've been on I want to be having those conversations I want to be staring there is no way so whether that's my doing more politics with that's more my doing well media I think there is a kind of directions I'd like to go in but fundamentally My heart is in clinical practice I'm never ever planning on leaving the n.h.s. Completely but I also have to be quite rational in that my body is not built for full time clinical work even in the g.p. Setting I cannot work full time I just physically can't manage it but if I can use the time I'm not working clinically to try and change the world a little bit and leave a better place than I found it then that's what I want to do. Finally your patients when. This has been since you've been using Meredith or Ruby the names you have future has the fact that you will get some interesting response did I kind of look in strongly Yes I cation I get that say I think this is quite an interesting one with the job I do because people come to me feeling quite fun rable a lot of the time they're talking about their health and they meet me as a complete stranger regardless of the chair and they have to tell me their most intimate secrets and things they would never even tell potentially their loved ones within minutes of meeting me and that's a hugely him like that's such an important positions be in and it can be quite overwhelming sometimes so I think there is that kind of almost transference of seeing me in a wheelchair and going Oh right so firstly I clearly get it I know what it's like to be in front of a doctor I know what it's like to be operated on I've had clearly had those experiences because I'm sitting in a wheelchair so I think this kind of of the recognition that I appreciate what I feeling but also I think there is that kind of transference of let's talk about you for a 2nd why would a wheelchair and I have I try just take that with all my legs I always do of on them today don't worry this is about you let's talk about what's bothering me today and I think if you just acknowledge it knowledge that doing that but then kind of come back to but why you hair and a lot of the time I spend I go around talking about how disability is an asset in medicine we've seen some amazing doctors a disability recently one has hit the press Alexandra she's a deaf blind medical student and I've worked quite closely with her on a few things and I think there is something so unique about working in the health profession when you have your own health problems because the health service is there for everybody it is the National Health Service and so as doctors nurses we use it. But I think there's something really unique about being able to bring your experience as a disabled person. As a person with a long time condition into how you treat other people and I think that's why the hell should really be pulling us in with a phenomenon saying yeah you get it how can we make it better for people I don't think they'll have a choice. Thank you lovely to see you in my 1st glimpse of you today with you whizzing past my window Meredith to go through to the ladies I've whizzing on the web. Thank you for having had a. Chance I mean. Our. Last hour on the Good. Sports Personality of the unsung hero while he's been a busy afternoon and thanks very much for being with us and if you've no call the shuttle forget were available on the b.b.c. . Listen again and here is just some of the voices we've had today. What. 'd I want. So while we're talking about what you might actually vote for not everybody says. It's too much too close to Christmas No one sounds what's going on that they were all fed up of it and that is why we want Christmas now and then we think about to think of getting a 2nd opinion. There's a lot of controversy everybody got that on a pretty lame. Airports airplane who do you turn into Does your behavior change Peter the allow families on which you know we keep and just to give you information same phone number 8 was a moment 3 children all the kids just got a little troll a case a and everybody's got a rock stuck on the father's got a rucksack called the courts so you could get inside and what's up unless they go in 1st by the time you get there and you know there's nowhere for your luggage in the overhead locker because of all these kids strolling k.c. And all these rock sucks let me turn this into the guys down your back down there why why would you want to see and I say another year but Sonia. Which I can tap you see 080389 double 3 double 3 the toughest my least with Shirley Bassey she was just an amazing My daughter bought me 2 tickets RINGBACK for Mother's Day and it was at the till she stated in scope or 99 he wanted her to see George Michael Prince by the top a I'm an avid. Enough to even think the. Color took a flag every single time the 1st time she went just well absolutely loved it so says very much for listening thanks very much for tweeting and texting calling through to make you a phony we do this every weekday between 12 and 3 and by the way we do talk politics on the hot seat Friday Alex one of our Labor M.P.'s in and around the Leeds area he'll be here taking the calls on your questions on the big. This is just. Like. Everybody. Say oh you know my neighbor to the. That. Would soon. 2 arrive to we've been saying well why wouldn't you just go in. Thanks very much for being with us on the big fighting right here on b.b.c. Radio Leeds I'm Liz Green we'll speak tomorrow around noon station Alison's going to get you. Trouble b.b.c. Radio only right handed How we doing. $62.00 now I'm afraid Ms West is currently closed due to an accident it's going to affect you junction $32.00 a which is the a one m. Of course as just be aware about a one out of 3 is closed eastbound on the m $62.00 with. An accident. 32 from 33 for the ferry bridge services that is lame one hour with 3 they're not doing too badly and then a little bit further on the West bottom 62 there's a link close now teacher broken down vehicle 27 killed some 26 at chain bar one out of 3 so a number of issues there to make you aware of the m 62 will keep you updated here throughout the afternoon of course b.b.c. Radio. Star on her road in Leeds as well led to the ring road more town of course and it's slow in Beeston on a road where we've got the road works near to the old line of course the road itself. 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