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We offer a further musical treat beginning with a question who can explain the attachment that young middle class white boys who grew up in the late fifty's in the suburbs of London or Liverpool had for the Delta Blues how come a young beanpole of a guitarist from the village of Ripley about 20 miles south of London on the A 3 could produce not just an acceptable take but superb versions of the melodies of an old black musician like Robert Johnson a muddy waters of the on Buddy Guy The genius of Eric Clapton was not in question never was. Writer Philip Norman is so prolific that he deserves a different job description perhaps and some of his best known output has been the biographies of musical superstars super writer might do it nominate the author of The Beatles' biography shout days in the life about John Lennon the Rolling Stone story the stones surround by Elton John and slow hand the life and music of Eric Clapton for the book he was given access to Clapton's best friends including Jim Gordon the former drummer for Clapton 2nd supergroup in the dominoes and crucially Clapton's longtime lover and partner who he stole from George Harrison Patti Boyd. But Norman only ever met Eric Clapton once when he was commissioned to write a profile often in the 760 night for the Sunday Times I met him in 1969 when the blind faith the the super group of super group seem to have come to an end and he was with a folk rock husband and wife called Delaney and Bonnie touring Britain and there was a bloke on the stage with a black beard wearing a. Fringed buckskin jacket and looking a bit like George Harrison and in fact it was George Harrison he had joined the tour as kind of therapy because the Beatles were breaking up at the time in great acrimony and pain mutual pain and George wanted to get use to sort of facing an audience again which he hadn't done since the Beatles last live performance they had a couple of television things but the really last live concert had been in 1956 so it was kind of therapy for George so he was there and people didn't recognize him actually people might have thought he looks a bit like him but it really was him because he did it changes look so much when when you were doing this obviously you are doing it for a newspaper piece or doing it for the Sunday Times at that for that for the magazine yes it right tell us about just before we go back to the motorway tell us about the picture that you that you decided on for this or that it's always interesting the relation between the writer and the photographer well in this case it was because the photographer was Lord Snowdon the Queen's brother in law who said to Philip this is Captain Phelan and because the rules were not into rock at that time they are now of course we all know but and I explained that someone had written on a wall in north London a few years earlier Clapton is God and so he turned up for the photo shoot which was in the. The Lyceum ballroom just off the Strand where they were rehearsing with Lenny and Bonnie with a couple of smoke machines 2 or 3 assistants an illustrated guides to the Norse gods of the Old World and he photographed Clapton looking like voter turnout of the Ring Cycle by Wagner only lacking a horn helmet and the right of the Kiri as a soundtrack and the Sunday Times magazine being in those wonderful old days run this is a double page spread sideways so you reached it and he was horizontal and then you turned it round and there was voter and with his looking like you know like a Wagner hero. You know Reeve didn't smoke and looking agonized but it was the smoke actually that he was agonized about Oh really it was getting to his eyes were open it was C O 2 yes talks of 3. So they're there you were with them on 2 or that you actually spent some time going from place to place with it with George Harrison Act less I did because in those days you could stay with someone and there was not a P.R. Person giving you a half an hour in a hotel room in a queue of 20 I was with them for a lot of the tour and backstage all the time watching from the wings there was something that seemed to me to be very blameless because they were it was like schoolboy humor they were having food fights and they bought these little plastic fruit that walked clockwork fruit on the and they had races with those on the dressing room floor there was a kind of huge sexual subtext going on with Eric and George's then wife Patty who was along for the Liverpool part and George was trying to get Eric to sleep with Patty so that George could sleep with Patty's youngest sister who was very young at the time in fact but that was that was well considered it looked like just sort of all these American musicians of the time looked like sort of biblical Apostles so it kind of looked rather all very above board this but actually the last off going on behind the scenes but trust you to lift. Lid because that's your criticism isn't it of Clapton's 2007 autobiography that it doesn't really get underneath the surface well he admits to you know huge addictions which he did to his credit he did defeat these addictions but it was a bit of a speed read you know whole sort of month and even years covered in one fat paragraph but in fact what he was was an really an overgrown baby which rock stars a very easily become because everything is done for them they don't have to do anything for themselves he was an extreme example of that so he didn't take his own driving test a road he took his driving test when he had to have a blood test for his wedding to Patty in America the road he took the blood test for him he didn't have to do anything to so later on when he had to finally have a child he wanted to sue to be involved with that was really when he started to grow up great even talk about this effortlessness seeming effortlessness about his life when he's touring with delayed Mbali doesn't really know how much money he's got and he just buys them nice equipment because he can't That's right and he used to get from his manager at the time who was Robert Stigwood and later Roger Forrester 200 pounds in cash. Usually a week and that that was cash in his pocket that meant something but otherwise no it meant nothing if you want to the house the office bought the house and he every all the bills were sent to the manager's office so he could be detached from reality he didn't know how to make a cup of coffee. I didn't know that about. The patent system business and that actually egged him on I I honestly thought along with you know Scoble I found at the time that it was all it was all a kind of muse thing you know and that he just loved to Patmore and somehow he'd managed to win away from George Well he didn't manage that for quite a while actually and not until George started having an affair with the ring goes wife which broke the 1st rule of the Beatles obviously you don't do that if you're in the Beatles. But it was very blatant it was going on in the in their house when Patti was in the house so finally she'd had enough she attacked Mrs Ring go. Any French woman or Spanish woman have done it with a 12 push shotgun Patty Duke the pair water pistols and that was the end of her with George and she's finally said to Eric you know she had resisted Eric even when he wrote that song Layla and publicly wooed her with this amazing the sexy song called Layla which was all about her. But she said she was going to make the marriage work with George but finally when she finally went to join Eric in America . As soon as she said OK I'm I'm here he didn't want any more. This attitude to women I mean this is this is something again that you that you really spent some time on the fact he is a bit of a rotter isn't one way or another but this is what men and particularly rock stars were allowed to be like you know people thought oh those naughty rock stars you know but these very often very young women were involved and they never really recovered from the sort of the times they spent with these men. In the case of Eric and he had 2 girlfriends at once who were only just 171 of them was Patty's youngest sister who really was very very innocent but you know. Patti has you know the old of the 3 boys sisters couldn't really control her and Eric really sort of took her on as his girlfriend as a sort of girlfriend as a substitute for Patty when Patty wouldn't sort of listen to his blandishments he went for her sister Paula. When you write about these these people you obviously begin at the top because because that was where you did begin I mean and in a sense you belong to a generation that knew you know the Beatles press secretary and you know you just knew them because they were fellow hacks before they started the work for the Beatles and you yes a little bit better than hacks even when I saw I do you know if it even really nice for even the even synonymous phrase actually all of a goldsmith a great over Goldsmith was proud to be a hack OK But anyway Derek Taylor who was the publicist was a wonderful man a brilliant wonderful man the Beatles had the best of everything including you know the best publicist but yes they were around at the time and I was on the Sunday Times Magazine so when I in fact an American magazine asked me to go and hang around the house that the Opera House which was in Savile Row which was their office together their company. All right you can come and hang around and not because I'd written anything about the Beatles I'd written something about Charles Atlas the strong man that it could once taken his course you know ceased to be a 7 stone weakling and so that was my entrance ticket. Old friend of mine used for the News Chronicle before it became the Murdoch's son or the fact and he told me that the orbit of music journalists in those it is a very small I mean there were only a handful of people actually writing about music at all and most of them were given a kind of show business. I mean that they had there was a music press there was the Melody Maker and there was the New Musical Express but in the OR in the what you might call the serious newspapers where the tabloid or broadsheet No nobody did they were called pop singers in the pop the word pop was always in quotes. The pressed. Start to get interest in them and they began to be busted for drugs so they were all sort of you know a menace to society but the idea of you know like today when pop pop music cover you know cover every age group in every class it was considered very very down market very very scruffy very disreputable and of course full of drugs. And yet you say your. Name and I'm not I'm I'm not sure how much hindsight goes into this hire him but you say I was writing one continuous narrative of in Jupiter play Tolstoy and scale British popular music conquered the world in the 2nd half of the 20th century and created an seemingly everlasting template when did it occur to you that this was happening it didn't at the time I mean I did want to write about it in a way that wasn't just the sort of hack there's that word again you know the music press way so I did write about these people and I really met a lot of people not just the Beatles the Stones people like James Brown Stevie Wonder Diana Ross The Beach Boys Fleetwood Mac. Bill Haley the evilly brothers and I wrote about the music was a real subject and they were real people who happened to be musicians and legendary musicians it was only when I start realize that. I couldn't stop writing these books because after writing the Beatles I had to write the stones because the Stones was so mixed up with the Beatles they were so intertwined with the Beatles after that I more or less had to do well John because Elton John was discovered by the Beatles music publisher Dick James and then Elton John was specks not because his eyes were bad but because Buddy Holly had worn them and then I had to do Buddy So it's a kind of chain reaction here so and I was only using that Tolstoy own thing because you know one reviewer said all the pages I'd written about The Beatles would add up to war and peace Yeah well more than in fact it was Craig Broden saying the number of pages you read about the Beatles were 2106 and his edition of war and peace was only 1273 pages so he's got the cadet edition with the 6 anyway. Still But still I have written a novels and plays for God's sake you know and films and you know short stories and journalism on people like Colonel Gadhafi and King Hussein of Jordan so it hasn't all been pop raising at a fabulous so put I wanted to ask you about your choice of subject because as you say you've gone right through the list you don't you don't qualify Led Zeppelin Pink Floyd or queen but you know you would have written about Presley or Hendrix or possibly they would boy although you didn't write about it was I was. I interviewed him I thought he was a prat actually and real proud and I'm actually writing a book on Jimi Hendrix now he's the last one he is the last one really there won't be there won't be a Bob Dylan from you well I don't think up to Bob Dylan's fabulously interesting musician but quite boring person. Because all his music is about his literary imagination nothing about his life to. To bring us back to. Eric Clapton there it tell us a little bit more this this motorway cafe that you fetched up and there's George inquiring of the lady behind the counter as to whether the mushroom soup contains meat in any possible way and she doesn't know who he is she doesn't they only put the fees spotted by some women pushing a trolley around picking up the dirty dishes Otherwise he's completely incognito in this motorway cafe and but he's sitting with Eric there is sort of like royalty in a way and neither of them carry money they are like routine that way so they have to each have to borrow some money to pay for this lunch in this cover. But then then this woman looks George and then looks at Eric incident who are you you know are you famous and he says no I'm just a hanger on because that's what he thought he was. When I when Eric Clapton when did he have somebody essentially giving him pocket money I do know that was a story where Ginger Baker who's. A tight fisted Scotsman giving him 200 pounds a week otherwise he bore all on unmentionable substances That's right well I mean Eric didn't really have to pay for anything that was the thing because every bill was sent you had to pay for Perrin Yes of course he didn't you know because you don't really get that from Marks and Spencer but still someone else would get it for him he didn't have to score it himself it was always someone to do everything for him and this does make someone very infant and and detach from reality and not really caring about the consequences of their actions or tool. It may depend on a relative ages but to me the most exciting bit of Eric Clapton's career is his career with cream and immediately before it when he's playing with the the Blues Breakers and John mail but for you I mean writing writing about him did you did you find a different place that you would like to have spent more time on. No I wrote as much as I ever wanted to write about the Yardbirds he was in the you know that was really the 1st famous group he was in they were very very good they were like Rolling Stones light spelt with a T. You know a bit a bit wild but not to. The Blues Breakers we just were terrific but cream were amazing and the group you know the last figure from cream is Jack Bruce the bass player who did all the singing virtually had an amazing voice a very pure voice that the only sort of parallel I can think of is the voice of Freddie Mercury absolutely key clear and pure in this hard rock setting and he wrote a lot of songs in really he's kind of forgotten and that's very undeserved very undeserved Of course when he wrote that his solo album where brought in the point it was an old friend and he he helped him out a lot and that was a very for up for a lot of people is a very haunting album wasn't it yes it was it was so it was indeed and I mean he you know he was great but he was always kind of because Atlantic Records who were the the American label that sort of took up cream you know the chicken the boss was only really interested in Eric and Jack Bruce always being in a bit downgraded and not given the credit but the other thing about cream was that Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker were homicidally. Antipathetic to each other they were they would attack each other physically they would really you know it was awful and this Eric poor Eric was for once was the innocent party and trying to keep the peace between these 2 they were wonderful brilliant brilliant rhythm section but just a disaster as colleagues. I think the 1st rock biography that I read from cover to cover was your book about The Beatles shout and I know it's got into many additions the Beatles around or at Kean on it well even though it was it was marvelously comprehensive well at the time that I started to write that was the end of the seventy's and they were all in denial about their life as the Beatles but it had been pretty horrible Actually most of it had been quite horrible and unreal and they all were sort of getting on with solo careers were doing rather well as their careers so I couldn't really get any direct cooperation from them at the time but I thought I would get to see John Lennon because right at the end of the writing process he came out of seclusion he was in for 5 years being a househusband looking after his and Yoko's son Sean and I thought I would might get across to see John and I left a space really at the end of the manuscript delivered the manuscript and literally a few nights later of I got a phone call from New York saying that John had been killed had been shot and that really brought the Beatles back into such focus because people of all those years since 7071 had been kind of waiting for them to come back together and now they never were going to do that the strange thing was if when the book came out just a few months later I was in New York and on Good Morning America show the television show Yoko saw me on television and rang up the studio and and said to me would you like to come over and you know what she said about John was very very nice Would you come over this afternoon I went over so I saw the apartment that I had wanted to see when John was alive just in the Dakota so early because Central Park West Yes and everything was just as he left it and there's this because it's on a corner this is a huge apartment 7 floor. And there's a corner room a sort of triangular room it was absolutely full. Every piece of clothing he'd worn since before the Beatles all hanging on these revolving racks like a kind of go sleep routine and his guitar was still above his bed and so it was where John had been but not with John. Tell us about you and Yoko because that doesn't end so well but it seemed to be going terribly well for a while it simply going terribly well yes and she always said to me you understood John and I knew the way the way I wrote about John was the way she talked about John which was very very loving but quite exasperated Yoko would say oh that was so like John to do that you know that sort of tone of voice and I finally she agreed that I would write his biography and she would talk to me and she did for hours and hours and it went so well she showed me home movies of her family in Tokyo before the 2nd World War when they'd been incredibly rich they had 30 servants in the House and the servants were not allowed to they had to enter the room on their knees even if it was just a joke a little baby Yoko they had to be on their knees and then they had to go out backwards on their knees that was how grand her family were. And everything and the only control that she had over the book was that she would read the manuscript an edited manuscript and if she liked it she would write to a forward with all the publishers saying how please don't lead to write a forward so but I thought no never mind you know if she likes to think she would write it in one word to us all the way down the page not an extra something like that yes pretend you're a clout you know. But still. Finally she was going to. After she'd read it I had great you know she said oh people say this is very good and I'm very glad and I'm sure it isn't everything she invited me over she said for a cup of tea when she was going to show me John's diary John had to diaries actually when he had destroyed of the last weekend. When he was apart from Yoko for 18 months and then he kept another one which she was going to show me and as I walked across Central Park popped into my mind thing I went to she's going to be waiting with a lawyer I was wrong she was waiting with 2 lawyers and they tried to I mean it was intimidation really to try and get me to give them the tapes the interview tapes which I didn't do but it was a very horrible experience. So that was pretty traumatic but did you think you were going to be injuncted that you think if we weren't going to be able to publish Well there was nothing in the agreement to say she could do that and nothing to say she could withdraw all the quotes not of her only but of her son Sean and her daughter she had daughter to Kyoko. And she couldn't legally have done that she could have made so much trouble because you know very deep pockets so for a year after that before publication every day I scanned me e-mails expecting this legal onslaught but it never came. I wanted to bring you back to one thing from the Rolling Stones book The Rolling Stone story which was published in the US as Sympathy For The Devil and in the in the original book here there's a moment I think which kind of roughly expresses my envy for my generation's envy for your generation and here we go it says this is we're writing about 981 at a Stones concert in Philadelphia when the the average age of the crowd is probably in the twenty's somewhere like right there and it says this is the 1st young generation for whom nostalgia is more powerful than the hope nostalgia for a past never experienced youth never savored keeps them almost as happy as one tedious sticky or follows another this surely must be how it felt at Woodstock or and Hyde Park do you do you have that sense that every every generation since yours has been hoping somehow to be your generation in terms of seeing their musical heroes Well yes because so much incredible music came out of that although a lot of terrible music is were dreadful music came out to every week people forget about that. But you know when the Stones played in Hyde Park in 1969. There really was a feeling even the the hard hearted stones were giving a free concert in Hyde Park and it was just after the death of the founder and lead guitarist Brian Jones who was found floating in a swimming pool. And so there was a kind of feeling of a memorial at the same time but the the concert in Philadelphia was pure hell you know and going on tour with The Stones which I did was pure hell. Because you've got to be a rolling stone to enjoy the tour you've got to be Bill Wyman you know where you know the backstage area is just sort of full of the constant sort of food and drink all the time. Because no Rolling Stone can function without a bar you know. Without a roof. But most people don't have that most people were treated terribly badly in particular at that J.F.K. Stadium opening concert was horrible Philip Norman and his newest book Slow Hand The Life and Music of Eric Clapton's available now it's half past 3 on digital B.B.C. Sense speaking of this is B.B.C. Radio 5 Live and it's time for the B.B.C. 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Salable to download everywhere always remember Peter Steele of the museum Times story of how she comes to us from Britain ended up on a ranch in Texas deserts fairly well called a rebel child out in the country unprecedented access to some families for the enforcement such send them out ouch right now. It's just so much corruption from science is. The 1st for news and the best life for this is B.B.C. 5 like. It was sharp. And are with new insights into how young people are spending their leisure time and how intelligent is an awful lot into a very small box here's Adam Russert with game on Hello this is game on and I met him a little bit later we'll be talking to intel about a thing called the Nook I'm probably saying the completely wrong which is a little box by sickly and we'll explain why it's interesting later I hope before we do that we're going to talk to Nick Richardson from the insights people he's the C.E.O. There are Nick you guys are regularly sampling quantum large number of young people and you recently put a report out that tells us that video games are increasingly popular with teenage girls ranking their top 10 hobbies just behind drawing and singing and yes had to divvy sports gaining ground in the whole cold but particularly when it comes to children in 13 to 15 age group range the playing is outpacing that of boys a lot of people would be surprised to hear that videogames were as popular among girls basically as they are as amongst boys and the they're competing boys when it comes to rather out participating boys when it comes to Eastport and over was all time span of using these these numbers change well we've been surveying children you K. Now. By 18 months so we serve a full 100 different children to wait with with kids in science so we've seen this you know start to grow and grow over that time parents and to give some context but I think this prime washee area is on about 75 percent teen girls that they were spending some time gaming each weight and that's going to 84 percent which you know you've got is just one example of how that really increasing sic compared to 96 percent support he's obviously e-sports in particular that was something that we produce a future forecast every year and we would soak in about how he sports is going to be one of the big things this year and it really has just accelerated the pace of that sport in if you want to call it as a ball is just been phenomenal and has literally been going up every week you know day 2 we can see the edging and edging forward and things like twitch the young isn't anymore form we've just seen phenomenal growth over the washy areas it's been fantastic to say so this is possibly that social component of the sport scene which we've seen taking off to having a positive impact on the way that some young women are taking up the sport so this that that there's a virtuous a playoff between the 2 things how do you think I think so I think what what we've really starts to seat series is that really prominent role models and go gaming so I think that's something which is maybe been missing before not just in terms of Terence's but obviously also you know he spoke gamers and also gave me blockers and I think Matz really had a huge impact I think in terms of making it more accessible and one of the thing which I think you know has said is huge impact too is how children of today have so much more access to technology from a young age and those casual gamers can really start to play with games not the play more than these stocks become more instigators and I'm not starting to develop those we're not seen that previously because it was easy to do you want to come so which is quite expensive will now whereas now with mobile gaming it's become into a nice stepping stone in sort of more hot. So that decision by Epic to launch 4 nights on the mobile platforms in a apple and on Android devices was a very very smart one because that's by simply driven the market forward to the right I mean the gaming revolution I think we're in at the moment isn't it I mean that the ability to cross platform it's just another example of are all the traditional barriers to gaming or being taken away a lot more accessible who remember gaming is a lot more vulnerable to gaming can be or dated almost in real time it's just personally position for a gaming revolution of the part of that revolution will be to really see guilds take a take a problem party or not which is which is super exciting it is interesting though that despite the growing popularity of gaming amongst young women there is a sort of a gender divide on how they report their going playing for boys they're saying it's 2nd only to football with them 14 percent of 4 to 12 year olds and 21 percent of 13 to 18 year old saying if their 5 are going to 50 compared to 3 percent of goes to women young women will report that some traditional activities are reading swimming and dancing or their favorite ways to spend leisure time so they're prioritizing this differently or are they to review regarding in a different way when they report what do you think I think what we see in our data is actually how girls and boys are very different and actually how boys and their ecosystems are quite narrow it super clear vaults around football gaming and You Tube where as girls their ecosystem is just a lot more exciting really it's a lot more diverse you know you have music and arts and crafts you will still have gaming increasingly football as well it's just that the girls ecosystem is so much more fragmented and boys and I think that's the reason that you see it's a lot more spread out so we probably not spending as much concentrated times or what about reason I found with my daughter that what she will do is engage with something for a while and then we'll move. On and engage with something else and I get the feeling that she's playing things like roadblocks for one style of play she's playing something like city skyline for different kind of play she'll have a go out over watch for a couple of afternoons and then move on to that sort of thing so young women more hydrogen is in what they play as well do you see much more narrow our focus is from the boys about they will pick a sport a big part they will pick any sport or a game and they will pursue that one thing I think is so make some course you know it's a boys will be things like my craft. And you know maybe call of duty and games like Grand Theft Auto where is the girls yes it will it will be more work more variety and that may be more pick and choose but I think you know both do you know always in particular will likely games as well when I think you will see maybe a wider spread in sims John with girls do you think that games makers should be reflecting on these kinds of reports and the sorts of surveys that you're doing in the sort of work and results that you're seeing and changing the kind of games that they make and targeting an audience or is that the wrong approach I mean it's probably difficult for you to say from the data that you take but. The certain kinds of games when I went into the appeal with different parts of the young audience a few questions that yeah I think. I think it's a start if you want a close games can be should should obviously work with us and subscribe and book but what I mean by that is what 60 me interesting without data and the pulse will that we know if you can actually get behind the data and what's really interesting to see his how children a lot particular games how they're very different and it's about how social media you know we can talk about social media is not one audience you know there's very different audiences that will like Instagram versus not and it's the same also with gaming in terms of what our children's ecosystems like so I guess that ability to understand what else is going on in that child's ecosystem so obviously or so goes a like SCHIEFFER You would imagine there's going to be a higher skew to social games but you'll also see the same you know we see correlations with say my truck to move oxen like again you might say that but there will be certain nieces and certain differences which is different children's ecosystems have the ability to expose on the Russians found what's important was not so important in a children's individually to system is really critical I think in you know what we're seeing now and it was as this is one of your interviews of the way and I think that the whole industry is just changing so much it's about the responsive news about being our job and I think in many ways it is the difference and it brings the best and fail you can have a very soon the product but if you don't respond quickly in terms of all those things then you can start to lose ground in no Games Workshop of into being a great example of that recently in the last couple of years is the new management but they've really become a lot more mean Sims listening to feedback and engaging in memes bombing in I think some of the don't commit to not well I think robots that will not recently very well be seen how they started and callbacks I'm sure it's afford not to when we interview some with children's movie but we get that the moment is bizarre. Now you can sense a bit of a frustration is not you know if you knew for a while where is roadblocks there is a meter coming keep it in you constant and keep your privacy out there very quickly it's plain to me over a number of years that the idea that the games the games are a monolithic thing is completely passed. And in fact doesn't represent the reality of what the games industry more games consumers aren't doing the no consumer is as taking one products nobody is living in a service single speed environment or Eco's faire are they it's all people who are engaging at different times in different at different speeds and to different degrees with with the products out there on the Yep Absolutely and I think that our ability to understand that is so critical because we we see merit seems of you know a fortnight in terms of their licensing program now this Christmas received 4 nights everything Minecraft to being very successful in terms of almost taking their presence offline and you know whilst that might traditionally be seen as drum licensing as a way of brands maybe you know if you're cynical making and just actually revenue from it actually we think it's you know our days will suggest that it's a really key thing for drums to do because they need to build up ecosystem if it's it's not just the games but also the OP So in terms of Now You Tube concerts or even you know magazines or books because now these children want more and more content on it people don't provide it's to me know the ways that games can be done provide that in other ways and there's a fear that they're missing out and I think what's what's interesting at the moment is are we're seeing a big bend for the likes of cyber Nintendo really utilizing the right pick are a new ways in town Netflix are about to announce will have announced about is older series we're seeing a lot more things to marry out next year as well and I think it's really important that these dramas really looks a build up ecosystem around the game as well as a way of keeping the constant very gauging engaging children what do you think the shape of the future is obviously you're looking you're looking at. It's now and what can you project forward how far are you comfortable do you think we're going to see parroting James plying in the esteem of gangs prying amongst boys and goes are we going to see more difference in the marketplace was your sense you're right that we actually see what's going on now but we also take that information and data from a lots of other sources ready to actually start making predictions about what might happen in the future those predictions might not just be specific to gaming that might be a cause or different elements and every year we are sequels ever few forecasts report and we are watching this month which people can download but I think what we're going to say is I think this gaming revolution is very much we're on the cusp of something here for now it's very much been a traveler I'm not in we're going to say you know they did opening up for different platforms is just so significant when I also think that what we consume in gaming as well it is we're going to see I think T.V. And reading to some degree far back and it might not be tomorrow but we're seeing results more there not tomorrow but it's certainly over the next next few years we're going to say you know the old man said reality in the publishing world has got some really exciting opportunities to any foreigner that comes on and I think we're going to say more interactivity they we've seen those series we'll see books on Netflix where the child got to control the content of certain elements of the show and it's removed that the net got mirror is going to feature an episode where the Buell able to control them and I think what are those users you can find out once and it might actually take away some of a social gamers who are looking for this and it might start so you know open up the 8 these dramas and news out B.S. And give them a new lease of life for this more constant hungry and wanting to take control of the cons of Asia who are digital natives who are completely engaged with social media and are using it in speeds in a ways that nobody could have imagined 10 years ago so we are not anywhere near the the end of this process we are still in the foothills Yeah definitely. I think it's interesting our generation tightened you know after that which our generation's white and we're starting to get this generation speak I mean we've seen how a lexer is really increasing we see how young children from the age of or a very very comfortable in sims of using voice observations are controlled and I think you know we're going to will also in terms of the game industry as well in terms of how they are there's so many exciting developments but yet as you said there's this generation also quick at if you know games and access to speed of changes as opposed it never been this fast or will probably never be this low Well that was Nick Richardson from the insights people there one of the Grio growth sectors in 2018 was mobile P.C.'s with high end processors that market grew by 2 percent in revenue and generated almost 2 thirds of value turnover in the 1st 6 months of 20 tain the increase came mainly from high performing gaming notebooks which increase their sales revenue in the 1st half of 2018 by 32 percent compared to the same period in 27 tane Now I was at the sports awards not so long ago and sorra a box basically sitting there on the side which had a skull staring out at me picked out in blue L.E.D. Lights and I was surprised to see that it was number one a product from Intel and number 2 a self-contained gaming P.C. So I thought well I should speak to Intel and the person I end up speaking to was Edward Barr Corson from the systems product group at Intel and he explained to me what I was looking at and what Intel were up to where I knew more of the unique part of in-town we're looking at innovation and how do we bring together the latest technology often really pushing the boundaries of physics and what's possible in a king at what's available today and in the future to bring out exciting new innovative products to reach showcase the industry as a whole new possible form factors for the future are so the the nuck devices of I'm so. Correctly this is this form factor is roughly the size of a substantial hardback book is that it is and we have various flavors of nerve so we've had great success over the last few years bringing out small form factor devices and really reducing the size of our traditional desktop tower down to something that you know could be described as the size of a ham sandwich I think what we're talking about today Hades Canyon which is our internal code name for the what we call our entire new H.B.R. Machine you know that is at 1.2 liters you're right it's slightly larger than you know a carton of orange juice this is 1.2 liters or there abouts of box and it contains something which is. Supporting no of yob devices themselves are bigger than that so you use it at a P.C. Which is smaller than the stuff it supporting which is when we are somebody like me who grew up with Grange towers and boxes you think is on every time you went inside them to play with the components if you lose it's all feels kind of wrong it to have something small be that parable you know in this case back a little bit to what I was mentioning earlier around trying to innovate using the latest technology and really pushing the boundaries of physics and what's possible and that is certainly an area which we have focused on with Canyon in particular the calling element of it really was pushing the limits of what's possible in a device of that size and often we have customers and we have end users who are excited about products and holding the Hagerstown you know one hand and holding just the graphics card that was driving their previous VI experience on the other hand and the graphics card is often larger than the Haynes canyon which as you said is the 4 system which does support a premium B.-O. Experience so you're able to for example plug your the R. Headsets into it into the front of the device as one of the reasons why there's a hasty Mike on the front journey with that easy connectivity of your premium via headset and get that premium the I experience on a device on a system which. 1.2 liters so surprisingly discreet and small but also quiet one of the one of the bits of feedback we have is despite its size and light its power you know it is pretty quiet and when people see it for the 1st time and they're experiencing the performance that can deliver often we do have people trying to hear the fan and putting their ear fairly close to the faster it is a very well engineered piece of hardware which is delivering a level of performance previously unseen from the sort of size for a long time there was a push to get P.C. Into the living room we could get the P.C. Out all the bedroom all the office we could actually I have underneath the television so this is much closer to that vision is that it is and when we look at in particular the growth of the hour and some of the forecasts of of the next 5 years or so we do expect and the industry trends and demonstrating a huge explosion of B. Are particularly in the home in the living room and there's devices like this like the heydays Canyon which is going to be able to deliver that the our reality if you like in the family living space where perhaps you wouldn't necessarily want to have your traditional tower you might want to have a device that could sit behind the T.V. Or even it's one of the nice enough to be mounted behind the T.V. Out of sight you not even know where that there is this formants P.C. In the room for a couple of years ago valve you're talking about a fan of machines weren't they that was a idea that was floated that they would sort of spec certain set of devices and that kind of with that on the vine. You are in a better place intel to actually step into that marketplace aren't you and can actually deliver all that code division you can say to people here is our snapshot of what we think you as a serious going to buy or somebody wants use of the other device needs it's a better fit for you than it was for them as well just certain extent yes and you know from a tree and from the ability to bring a product to market like this you know we have had about 5 years of success brings more form. P.C.'s the market this is our enthusiasm and latest product and we do anticipate a follow on products next year and different flavors different options of enthusiast many P.C.'s moving forward so this is really from a from a mini P.C. Very small form factor perspective our 1st step really into and use yes base where you're able to play your latest AAA game titles your premium the are you know so competitive e-sports professionals have played for example public G. And you know very happy with our formants they could even professionally compete on a device like this and we are going to bring out for a one products which are going to continue in the Strand I was at Ajax for just a few hours this year and I stayed down at this all hardware end of the show the most chatting to people and some of the people basically selling P.C. Kits and P.C. Components to people and they were there they had their higher end machines still had candles on them they were still likable that you could take to unlearn events now when you were looking at look at the hades Kenyan and its successes are you looking at their market as well and saying you don't know you no longer need arms like Atlas to actually take a P.C. Along to an event and do you think that people at those events will take it seriously if you turn up with something which is the size of a big book I think certainly it's highly portable nature is a great feature of the product you know and we have seen a great level interest in attending LAN parties and events and taking your P.C.'s with you this guy was from you know the individual going to compete and just dropping the device into their back and not needing to have a he said you know a lot of us are so lugging around with them this this goes all the way up to you know when you go to events you are going to see you know just hardware manufacturers who are necessarily in the P.C. Space running a lot of their games and their demos. These events on the entire got hold of an easy piece a long long ago but a years ago so little that funny little white tilt plastic looking thing with a keyboard and it was running into one of the or those looks colonels and I found myself looking at thinking well what's this for and it became apparent that small is you know law circumstance is actually very very useful and that device actually broke open a whole market for not just that maker but a load of other makers as well do you find yourself looking at what because we've got that work card doing with their office ready very small form factor devices and you thinking that more and more of the manufacturers and people in your position are going to start looking at this space very seriously this ultra small form factors environment Absolutely and I think you know one of our missions one of our goals if you like is to showcase what's possible and to help the industry as a whole recognize where those opportunities are and where we can see growth where we can add more value and you know a better experience now that could be in the home but you're you're correct that is also being recognized in the workplace today particularly when you look at you know for example in London in the financial center in the in the center we have very expensive real estate people have small desks you know for example when you look at City traders they might have several monitors which they need to do their job but they're not so often able to have the space in the luxury to have a tower so small form factor device which is able to power multiple monitors and and this in turn up for example is able to power up to 6 independent displays just from a comet and graphics capabilities then it is it is fitting well within that environment and giving them you know the not just the coolness in the but also helping them with that space as well 6 displays 6 independent 4 K. Displays and that's that's driven from here is to hate in my ports to speak. And then the truth under ports is well you know display say so without any extra external graphics card boxes or do you change the course monitors single cables we can drive 6 independent 4 K. Displays from on the Internet at C.S. Last year when we early this year I think when we initially showed the product we had some of the review is making us open the back of the cabinets to look inside to check that wasn't it didn't tower somewhere out there driving this level of performance it really is pushing and changing the expectations of what we have today. And the price point we have to be serious about this this is not so I did $3.00 level piece of kit is it we're talking to above $800.00 pounds for this device it's no entry level but at the level of experience you're getting a certain no and you know it was or it does a lie interest certain extent with the level of performance and there is going to be a premium as well a lot of engineering a lot of R. And D. Went into ensuring that we were able to not just deliver a product of this size but it was going to be a quality product which is going to be robust and deliver their performance over time consistently and that was very hard to achieve So yes there is a small premium but you know the advantages and the you know the flexibility and portability etc I really valued and people offset those those against it now if you look across the market in a slightly more unique device there isn't really anything out on the market today which you can compare it against when you look at you know the entire device so we're confident and from a you know from a sales perspective from a people actually looking at device on the side in this the device they want to go after you know we've been surprised by the demand for the products and certainly it's been good success story and said it's an area which we're going to continue to invest in and and develop new products. I don't. Discuss talk about a new piece of kit from Intel they're saying from from France and I we know that the interior minister was speaking a little time ago about the incident in which we know that 3 people were killed at the Christmas market grown deal and they minister Christophe cast Tyner says that about 350 security agents are currently hunting for a gunman who fled the scene some people say fly in the taxi. Stand I was told a news conference that this man fought twice with the security forces not once but twice in an attack that left 12 people injured the thing that you'll notice if you're traveling to France over the Christmas holidays is a security threat level husband raise maybe a little bit more security coming into France depending on how you come of course and in particular they're going to get a lot more protection around the French Christmas markets you're listening to a Paul Knight on B.B.C. Radio 5 Live. You want to. 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