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On the White Album seem on a very I suppose memorable tracts of the album of many many many trades so which will clue about the White Album for this one's record crowd if you've got the album if you still listen to it if it's in your collection gives your thoughts. 808590969 threes of number you can text me on 85 of 5 agree met up with a B.B.C. U.K. We've got Daniel Rachel. Russell Crowe trying to sober with us both music critics music writers musicians Well I tell you this case and Travis's case in all of. Which make of this one that Travis 1st of all. I was playing before you said you know sorry I'm just going to present really simple question before the news we heard George Harrison's While My Guitar Gently sleeps and then compare that to blackbird which is about you. I mean if they're both amazing to me I think the other one is better when it's on the 2nd those that take it there so you know which is better. Well let's say you would you like better you know I mean to some extent Well my guitar it's these strikes will calls with me and she'd say I get it I like to use this thing goes and get. It with the Illinois for the member which Harrison will say but she says still it's a portrait of the sort of psyche and sixty's time you know is it going to Charing Who is it the better to get such a nice lead served trying to get to this point it's better than not good. It's not how I listen to shoot through but you didn't want to leave. Me just. A point of having a conversation about your cards with me which would you prefer. Depends what mood I'm in isn't how I have ever lived. Which is why. It's a play I can tell you that but on the guitar While My Guitar Gently Weeps because it's just revolving around in a minute well if you drive it's. A Tele chiller tell you a story about what I My Guitar Gently Weeps through free but I'm still going to answer the question then. Say with clap on both While My Guitar Gently Weeps that needed them were actually written English a casual the much of the the album was in the in my guitar gently weeps George Harrison wrote in Warrington and I think it's fantastic that you focused in on George Harrison straight away the of when you go because he's really comes into it . With this particular song as Eric Clapton of course is playing the league. He was just but to a farewell tour with the cream of the Nats and they were going to split up but the original inspiration for this for this track was George Harrison was thinking about the Chinese I-Ching in taking the Book of Changes and the concept that everything happens for a POTUS and with the idea that he was channeling into the lyrics of this and of course is baseless aficionados know from the ad takes that were eventually originally releasing the anthology. Is Missing says that we're on those original takes at this song that make it any further. And then you get as we say much of of people. Tracks on this record is the mixing up of who plays Walt So you got John Lennon plenty organ and sometimes playing the bass as as. He said Ringo is lest sessions he never returns and does play drums on this track as say he wouldn't for example back in the us ready but isn't that the one of the lovely sing that come to light in the again this is around this being celebrated by 50 isn't a 7 CD boxset that comes with a new release ready and one of the fantastic tiny little moments this is in the session for my guitar gently weeps as an ad lib it was called ad lib on the tape Oakes and he pull McCartney singing about Brother Malcolm comes to me and is the 1st hearing of what will become Let It Be happens at this moment in 168. George Harrison songs and start a run of Harrison songs that would take him all the way through into his 1st triple album to be solo things. Yeah OK fair enough. This of innocence it is good fun. Reggie for us yeah Reggie you're J.G. a Reggae yo jag. So with some point of this shooting then Travis was a point of well I mean it was about one of the phrases came from a I think you know you come to play Jimi school. In later life plate with that man it's sort of it. But he's saying it's his phrasing apparently it's your. You know and it may seem means your life goes on. It's a story so I think it's sort of one of. The families your oh I speak your about myself like usual claim is that I'm going to way I was you I was a school with a member of bad manners you know mono you raise Cain you know I formed off because Brad's a government not me. Chris K. We started did would you INS together he played the saxophone in bad as a how do you see anyone on the root read music a bad man is I mean as a side is going to do the Beatles and girls well it's actually he was he was a some of the public on the new. Jersey just used to beat Jimi so you know he's getting I was ready to use it a little unfair but it's a fun chew this one. Yeah so. Again as you quite rightly say is an old to skull stuff there's a as you know some people interpret that Desmond in the song as being Desmond Deca . But it's with these like the Israelites. But it you know it's it's it's a clan succeeded McCauley story so it's you know a tale of lives and but I think you know you see it's I mean they there was sort of all humans what we were all each single in the end it was to an end the band could bobble $800.00 number and went to the one with it so priest in a way that the song was very cold and I would say what's the drummer a moment a bit no food. But it was you know in full course I think he will be on a dose good friend was all right was he the one that started the whole lapdog sing club scene in the U.K. Drama for moment I have no idea if I want to do it all the time so insulting story Black Girl I don't really need your permission to everything everything I do have a focus in the thank you Paul McCartney may didn't it when you were in particular. I think I know this but I never thought it was going to have a group in the 1st place I home and this is pretty say it doesn't S S That was a mistake they made saying that it's a mistake. The idea that doesn't stay home and does is pretty face it didn't hit it . That some of that's a mistake but they and the and he wanted to redo the track and there's a certain we've got to take that. Basically it's a great the whole thing is. Into that we were going to eventually send a check to to Jimmy Scott for the use of expression over there with our life goes on brah and a good thing the the the there's a great version of this where it was very acoustic guitar based and to John he wasn't part of the that was the session just came in handy through the doors Abbey Road number 2 went down to the piano and media people than that of Pete intro that really defines the beginning the track and set the mood for the other 3 Beatles and I kept to the Take That they were off to and it's also got another Beatles trick on this song in which when you Rick when they recorded decreasing as they purposely recorded them so that the VU meters were in the red to give it that distorted the face of the you was a very humid you know when you see. A dial a meet with numbers on it is in you. And it shows the imports of the instrument into the recording desk and you would normally try not to make sure went up into the red what you mean to sound level yes. Yes and I see my acoustic guitar go in on the center of all into the distortion area and the red to get that particular sand coming from an acoustic guitar synth and it's the stones also similarly did not quite as and with on a very was doing that in Jamaica this is a Jamaican. That becomes a big influence on Paul McCartney via Linda McCartney She was a massive scoff and when. She were at the. Middle section anything that I would. Say oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah they used to great effect in the movie as well and when I saw a poor McCartney at the food see if the Pro Bowl in Jacksonville Florida. For I was going Neverland was it Brady in a credible or addition of that. OK this one fun tune but the cheap album you know we're talking about being tracks with the Bob Dylan we should play the track from this album which is back in the US Which reminds me of Chuck Berry of course back in the USA They say that this year. This bit you guys live I'm going to Barbados that people and life and. Give the credit goes great. Even though the US is always noble or this don't seem to be a great way to start an album deal 1st. I knew it was the obvious choice was made to take off the I was like yeah OK. I think with the family to be away they get him to. The point to point a moment when the most of the great rock Paul McCartney prefer to fight off the record as a political message and somewhat reminiscent Travis for me at least to get back because Paul McCartney is going through a grove boys fall they're trying to match your man his rock Grove boys and as I were you guys Daddy would you say he's a proper you know if he does need a little this is a kind of sparring on the record in the sense of I mean everyone knows that one of the kind of things and ways that Lennon at this point after the last ice and often done sort of path is in the end I did take an enormous amount of honesty and he then sort of supposedly partly under the cheap seats of Derek Taylor it was the original Beatles' publicist who then come back to the U.K. From Los Angeles where it's helped. You know that helped found kind of one of these best who's on the. Phone to write and but he he comes back to sort of help set up Apple Records one of the things about this record is it's the 1st album they're making in the wake of Brian Epstein's death and so they think they're sort of in a way fending for themselves in a way they haven't before but this was he brings out some of the competitive elements in it but it does mean that you get this extraordinary directness from Lennon in some of his songs he's you know he's having an away goal and he's kind of psychedelic journey he's then decided that he wants to be you know much will forthright much more kind of hard going and needs to think about this truck as you don't need already alluded to it's a ripple Well you know old shall we say to a Chuck Berry now but then sort of down the line. Lennon will also do his own not to Chuck Berry and come together but will come something of a financial crisis from it because Maurice Levy is head of relate recruits to end of season and so the royalty rights and then in the end he has to perform. Serious of. A very numbers down the line on this rock N roll bit seventy's and illiterate that will cost us no they deserve I don't know I did indeed. You like this David tightly comes from a copy section of volume 17 jets and piston engines and airplanes and the Abbey Road collection it's a Viking and it's so much easier nowadays no none you probably get that same sound you know you would have to go and get a different versions of it as well as up of a SO way she put the SOB in which we put this in the Beatles rather than you know how. Revolve. Sergeant Pepper is which we put the wild with for either. I've never had I think I can pepper is one of the great we had this discussion before the meat of my move when me to a Sergeant Pepper I never considered it a great basin album Phish for me it was put into a punch of you know. How that wasn't. About you know you mentioned earlier of course Paul McCartney always said that was about the civil rights movement rather than writing directly he's a poetic way to write and it as you well know that this is the year that Dr King and Bobby Kennedy was shot and it's what beautiful way to to mock what we happening in black consciousness in America in this year with that song. Does that resonate with your listener the as well Travis Yeah I think so I mean there are tensions in the record in the sense that particularly with Revolution for example revolution was by John Lennon was denounce to be no political enough of the Nina Simone recorded a kind of a riposte to it because it was you know if you can count me in out. Coming out and that's to correct for a critic older of it was considered rather kind of complacent in in the sixty's and you know Mick Jagger Osi right to street fighting man which some of the Seems more you know down on the streets as far as its political sense says ability in retrospect in some respects the White House no it's more a key about. That consciousness of 1968 because $68.00 is both a year of a revolution and an appalling you know assassinations and great civil rights consciousness but it is also a conservative reactionary strand of it because you know it is it is a city year of. The risks of blood speech. When Nixon is elected so it's you know it's a it's a it's a tent spirit in some ways lives you know I think that the revelation comes as 3 version until now yeah about this you know of it had slow version Adam is record the bass side of it which is the uptempo rocking version and then you have the the sound scape which is revolution I mean you hit the top of the program and crowed in May and never many as take on the. 50th anniversary edition just became a release where you hear for the 1st 3 or 4 minutes. The acoustic slow down version of Revolution and then John Lennon really starts getting into the kind of screaming of the word right which then evolves into cologne and is present in the studio playing a tape of. Its way you hear say the catchline of Revolution 9 we become naked and it's an extraordinary evolution of a track to the full scene in many ways where tight loop in and something will happen in pop music 2030 years later moved Poppy said 40. And it's this experimentation The Beatles are doing it's context in a city 5 years earlier they were singing Please Please Me the incredible evolution of the band but when you put those 3 versions of revolution together you really getting into this mindset of where John Lennon was and beginning to removing himself from the 3 of the Beatles. In terms of the revolutionary spirit in terms of . His food and in love with in terms of his. Use of heroin. Much change in the Beatles. On to us at this point you have the engineer Geoff Emerick who walked sides of the sessions saying it was the entire atmosphere was poisonous and as but then as. Travis says this is a band that's really really working together they have 3 different studios out of the road operating at one time I mean the stories and messages about Iraq and the serenity record Helter-Skelter. In spy Charles Manson and hideous murders that goes on around him and yet at the same. And you know they do a 27 minute version of of that song and then another brilliant story that you probably know where Paul McCartney read the band done this the dirtiest ugliest rock'n'roll track you could ever imagine wild and and many dental McConnell He's this track and it transpires is I can see for miles by the WHO and he's right that was the while the signal is ever going to hear what it simply isn't so then he goes back to the band that's it we all get a lathe and that thing that I imagined in my mind when I read about to an attempt on as a sound helter skelter and and so he goes on with this record and that would the last thing that I've only realized for the 1st time having been listen to this album since I was an 8 year old is that I always used a pen as a track Yeah blues in the Noticed of is that you pronounced how I've just come to realize it should be which is you blues as in. If I see London or achieve a middle class it's not as like that is nurture never realized until now. guys were my so. You're right don't suddenly. Desmond putting on his makeup was in the state. That was very forward thinking who Paul McCartney was not. Long sleeve. And we had to we had to pull Dylan out of the church and the reference to Rand and the ladies from adds. Up to. So you. Know musicians of which he's so buoyant you know in a way cool. If you break down. Busy it's. Easy to take it. With. Brother Mike but maybe you have a felony. For you slip maybe. This is the White House also released into rehab the choice between a monitor. And see if you have the. Money. For. The 50. 3 prize of health and with Ringo Starr saying I don't. Think that if you've got the. Stereo the. One obviously for the anorexia and. The funding is right you can have 3 different versions of bring this conversation to an end run out of time gentlemen thanks very much. Thanks of course today. 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Sounds in headliners we bring you in-depth interviews biggest names in and same culture Welcome back to the world of music mogul because this is a candid conversations but I wouldn't call it football to enjoy the hell of that welcome to the football daily podcast in the company of slack time given that it was not about scoring goals and there was like the best kills technique and I brought with me were avoid the. B.B.C. Sounds. B.B.C. Sounds. Too fussed for News and The Best Blog Spot this is B.B.C. 5 Live up all night but Dawson attaboy out there now for something new on for night it's the sister collective you heard about them a moment ago the pod cause this is what these online. And will consume cut costs one of the sister collective candid conversations by women of color and it's me Joy this is coming now this episode we're going to talk about black British identity of course it's off the back of history month long and how if at school did you market but you will always well on B.B.C. 5 Live journalist Jessie and Phillips and each week I'll be joined by my regular conscript. To share this. I'm John a judge you finalists on the B.B.C. T.V. Show The Apprentice Hi I'm Paul at Panama MCO found a of black. And I. Am seen G.P. And then pick bronze medalist welcome this brand new podcast the B.B.C. 5 Live we all ask. As the system parts of the system collective and each podcast we're going to be joined by a collective of women from different parts of the U.K. Now this week we focus it facing as we are actually causing right here at B.B.C. Me just city in Seoul for our collective are going to be from Greater Manchester each episode will bring all very diverse perspectives to top it such as relationships colorism identity and body image we'll also be talking about what's trending on hash tag Black Twitter I mean each week we'll have a special guest who will Indies and they sweep its way can actress Catherine Drysdale Now some of you may know from playing sail in the movie St Trinian's and she's also played Louise in 2 pints of lager and a packet of crisps and she's company playing make a mark on T.V. Programme the winds as she's got me on in a little bit I'm going to meet the collective but I thought it's quite important given is the 1st part cast to meet the hosts Anika you were part of his bros the very 1st pilot which was a long time is a. Lot now out here in Iowa and have kind of know you knew before knowing you because all families know each other now families news for the cause all the Nigerian. Yeah so it's such a small community and it really is there and I've never told you this OK because obviously you're on a limb pick. And I steal a little bit of running I caught a couple of internationals so this is like a big reveal moment. So when I left live a pole and I came back I kept on saying posters around of someone running and I was like well I'm still got my post is open it's me but it was actually. So it's like I think it's a couple of are you a liar my thing. I'm so happy that you and I thought I was close saying to that Iran seriously your name just kept on coming up as I literally connects I was like Who is this who I need to find out. Back of us but as I tell us a little bit about who you are in terms of I know I know you saw I found the F.B.I. Go fast. I started with my friend Sol and we saw set last year because there's literally nothing like it in this country this like Afro Punk in essence fast in the US but there's no kind of festival or space where but coming can be celebrated or see themselves we saw last year has like panels and shop and marketplace and just re trying to represent and give black women or like a community just a space and then join one I know you kind of through a friend and of course you on the princess how you feel about the pub so excited so excited it's nice as well that is no them women and and also. I was listening to them and I think that these guys know there's a lesson here all right I'll cry myself to sleep. And that's really awful it is and I did think everyone was Scouse this morning on NEW DAY a tooth festering that was is everyone scouse. Yeah I guess everything north of what you know of Missy just so sad to say right because and that was one question of. Course I said but I keep on saying to people can you only. Listen a young thought yeah it's not I was. Thinking that happens to black America. Only it was up it was that's all that another part of let me have a dialogue OK I want to call you crazy. That's also how the dialogue around mental health was the times my noting how many you know I like a. Lot of. You listening to the sister collected on B.B.C. Radio 5 Live a brand new. Const I just think Cher knew it. Now if you're telling us for the 1st time this is called Concert wrong come the conversation you could say by women of color folds who actually maybe like when he added Make sure you subscribe and download and also go to B.B.C. 5 Live on 10 sat because taxes collected to get involved feel free to just talk except you want to come on as public collective I'm up to snuff and this week's collective from right here in Greater Manchester so by way of previews Hey all some black British pounds from on just a. Few Was. So much the collective Did you recognize who recognize what song I'm saying that Cleopatra and see her and he. Had a bit of a bug's even line in that book seem a little king in. This one of the currency so just so we know you are mine just a collective All this week let's go around the table some presents on legacy F.M. Black radio station and. The kids are now a bit at. B.B.C. B.B.C. Radio Manchester. I am Money I'm a National Wheelchair it's champion I also well. A company called Triple say a drama based Glee disabled people and she was in Amman fashion by an impact I'm in software I am an investigative journalist plans Harvey really and so I'm a presenter but you see radio nice he point and I also do and Tesla Yeah some are in the area here in America ready yes so there's a reason I was talking about black research ides and soon as of course it's off the back of Black History Month but before we go into the discussion I spoke to a couple of kids had my name today and I need. A shave the old radio to be black and British because I get treated the same which is every different nature of Colac and I think we need to be really positive about that and just remember that everybody should be treated the same even if they're not the same cover highways or county and I'm from leaves and it means to me to be black I'll bet issues that you get like a mix of 2 cultures the block is where he gets like have lots of good hearings and the feeds amazing guy and he saw like Bry and cool folks and believes it's just so I can explain it the feeling of being like. Black and British is just that it's like an explosion of like 2 cultures coming together Oh I think you know thank you so and they are Rico me and also thank you to the B.B.C. School reports as well so who feels that duplicates identity I've never had to feel like about to segregate to be in 2 cultures I guess is pretty the amazing especially among Does anyone feel about the segregated soon so I think I get asked . To segregate be make sure. Yes And people kind of want you to pick a side are you black British kind of put them together when your face and you're kind and just a violin was a jubilee. I think that is then and that then sip on that you cake and if they say is it is people kind of confusing thing that you want to pick a side when you quite happily sit in in the middle of both you or your race so. It's interesting interesting that you say because I remember soft when I was talking to you about this you were saying when I show that question so there's a kind of question mark over your black British identity what you mean when you said Wow In general I'm just I'm it's obviously don't know me and I don't know you know I was born in Zambia I came to Alton and when I was 4 and a lot of the kind of experiences I've had a I always try to you know embrace my culture to the mice I can say the food literature language and visiting the country itself but then sometimes and when I go back home I'm too British for this Ambiens So a lot of times my I'm a gram of the US always like you know I say to make up my a lot because my Banbury is about 30 percent but obviously when I'm here I also get questioned about my British identity like our you know your to some beauty to African Unity black to be British and US on the phone the old what's your name as I was in software how to spell that spotted phonetically for them though I also you know you not British are you're And I was like I am yes and she's like you name some British I sure is not your real name and I was like her now is my real name where are you from so I'm I'm from Britain of all that's good for you. Do you know . My name's too African to be a British person so although I do feel like I'm a proud British champion the raise that question mark on Samoan I feel like I'm not really but I don't like OK so now you've heard from the British Africans. Are. What's your experience from the older generation to stay away from the like born here no know where you're from oh really i do get it is mainly from the old cook Asian people the question and I'm like No I'm born here I don't know you don't understand so then I've got to kind of break it down to go OK that one woman from St Kitts Mavis my dad is from Jamaica but I shouldn't have to say that I was born Harry Manchester so I should have to break down where I'm from I'm black British and sometimes what annoys me they don't do as much now is when you got the tick form and you've got to take black and I'm thinking why is black British black Caribbean black African black they don't do as much now but I used to get on my nerves a lot. I thought they had no black people know what black oh they're actually means made this film. Maybe some of the West didn't do you suppose because I'm all yeah so. That would make sense but now I just kind of pick one spend time feeling. Just so how do you identify I don't know I am black. No I'm not mixed race so I have to make it and like Well and then the rest say Shelly and so it's all a bit mad so I kind of just tell people that kind of. Jamaican and I feel like experiences with that is I think with a name like top of my name. It doesn't sound very brave she doesn't sound very English so I was a lot of people ask me that lemon aims for my name is home Gabby and I was named after like a singer he went to number one so has nothing to do color of my skin. Is quite interesting the way people kind of approach me with a where are you from a quiet man just socks and I would say so it's. Yeah I feel like experiences that I don't know it can be very different depends on who you're speaking sape I always kind of mate yes it's a rod. And kind of like criticizing George for and get mobbed by a guy just educate because people will ask again people get curious as long as I.Q. Educate and they're not being read by I complete data but this is the collective 60 collective it's time to welcome all 5 to guest on our best episode of the sister collective welcoming Kathryn Drysdale to the studio now somebody may well remember have from playing in 2 Pints of Lager and a packet of crisps or saints trade ins and she's also recently be starring as Meghan in the Channel 4 T.V. Series The wind says this is the sister collective. In many kinds of Shakespeare Company productions how I go from Wigan go from Wigan to Dr Ali ha ha ha well I was into Shakespeare at school luckily enough you know now you have exposure to that sort of thing and you know in drama and basically I wanted to become an actress and my parents said you have to get an education fust so I went to drama school in London where you study a heck of a lot of shakes Bammer monks lots of other things of the classical kind of taxed and then I graduated while I was when I was at drama school actually and that's how that happened and you do a dive. So of range of of what when you're at drama school and you get cast in lots of diverse parts so you know for me I laugh thinking that I was going to be playing Old least parts that are played by white people I didn't realize on leaving you know there would be a limitation. I was going to ask you about that because you know Michael B. Jordan who. I think at one point he said that he's not he doesn't want to go for Black Rose he wants to be cost for everything I suppose that's so much so what you're saying yeah definitely. When I was growing up as well I didn't want to be in a box on just you know I want to be able to apply what's on the paper I'm for people to not think of me you know the color to be an issue in just that I am right for the character and I've always had that but now I find sometimes I come up against is times when especially when you're going out for American stuff the parts are written and it's Farry ethnic specific the characters talk in a so I'm way that suggests someone that's from for example an old black neighborhood which I certainly didn't have growing up in the north in. A lot of people I don't know maybe that's just American scripts they tend to in a way stereotype the black characters so that they told very specifically in a sort of block accidents and not necessarily regional to where they're from and you sort of have to pull on I call to be seen as black enough for those kind of roles just ridiculous how does that make you feel because you're reading it and his does not feel like that's completely separate from your fundamental beliefs when you think it yeah yeah it does but you've got to do it and you think could you just try just a black character and have the act to decide you know how that character is specifically going to speak but it's so different because you'll see a scene with a black character and a white character this is mainly in America and I don't see this as much in England . And you can tell just reading the page because it's like they've got completely read it as they've got different accents and it's like they're friends why can't they have Wouldn't they have the same you know when they talk Similarly the bass runs and you currently playing the lady of the moment. Marco in the wind says. How is the household that thing greater than I've loved every minute of that be honest and I've loved getting only outside of you know outside of filming when I've been reset saying and learning more about I mean she's a force of night. Credible woman I mean what did you think of the wedding and welcome to my black British identity on the on the podcast today I mean personally I was happy I was really really happy that she's married to the royal family I mean. I know Prince Harry from Afghanistan I don't know him but you know I just. I just I do think it was a moment I know people might disagree but I just think as a moment as a woman of color in the royal family and a woman of color who's actually recognized as a woman of color because of course there was a Princess Beatrice many many moons ago who is of mixed race heritage but just wasn't acknowledged and what was Charlotte's I should be trying to just been many throughout history I've got I've actually got a book which is. It's black history book Britain and the cover is a painting of a black ass and people think that we arrived here with the wind rush that you know it's like we've been here a long time you know we've had places in British history and it's important for people to know that and acknowledge that and but it's great that it's happening now I can't see myself or make Marco so I can appreciate that this is something big and monumental with the context of the world family in my everyday life why it doesn't change anything but I think it's big that those those princesses of princes the future children are going to have a black grandmother no money you know central to their lives and their their upbringing and that's for me clogs I think absolutely it's only exciting when it gets. Immediate impact that will have I think him wide to race relations the what is what was being picked up by journalists I don't think it has a massive impact on the everyday black woman's life or experiences yet as if it's like a just if occasion to say oh by the way this is another reason why we're saying that race relations you know peek in the country and it's again I guess like the symbolism that it can be used in some in some an instance is an excuse for certain things and but at the same time you know she is black at the end of the day and her mom is dark skinned it was really nice to kind of see those you know little bits of I guess nods to black culture and black people within the wedding which none of those if you'd asked us 5 years ago when we have over the cost of being I want to talk about something. He was annoyed and then he was a sledgehammer I was going about of I just I was watching I was like This is Greg Miller I mentioned just. A little something. And how he was loved and told her you want to say something yeah the main thing I was taught in school about block was set like slavery do you think if we were told more in schools about the operation a stray into think it would have been celebrated as much the what in. I had hope everyone would have a copy of those kind of book yet rather than me having to troll Amazon and Google and finds that there's a book that's been written that historically accurate about you know the 1700s to whatever period that nobody knows about you know I think that simple and for me coming as an actress I did a sketch show a few years ago I had a sketch where I was playing an old lady and we were talking about the blitz and I was cutout of that program as this character and the director told me it was because you wouldn't have existed at the time. You would have been in this country and we don't want to alienate the audience I was for him and. I just that's the ignorance we were not 7 taught this in schools nobody knows that. Years ago when I was going up Odisha name for Charlie Bass and I read about her life and I was I read about all the pull of England and all the mixed race and black communities that existed over hundreds of years and you go Well no doubt these communities. You know want to say like we're speaking are true I'm just looking at your face and your face just speaks salute volumes honestly do you feel as a black actress there are distinctly less options yes it's a fact. That's a fact I'd love I mean I'm a I'm a member of the committee member of the thing called Act for change I don't know if you've heard about it we all got together a few years ago it was well done he went to his idea because it's seen as a trailer on I.T.V. About a new. Drama season that was not one black face in it and I was like this cannot continue so we all got together we formed a sort of charity committee called up to change him and we had action taken to to change that and slow process but you know it's happening in just hearing the voices of so many people not just black actors Asian actors you know who ethnicities and disability saying I am not represented you know I switch on the T.V. In it's the same side of the same act is the same color as and things since. Change movement and the what that Lenny Henry has been doing has been some shifts you know now with castings and dramas that been produced in comedies where they they only say look we want to make this happen we want to represent but it's a slow process what's next for I'd like to do is period drama I've done a period drama before I want to squeeze this one in because. It's a book called honesty and there's a T.V. Adaptation of it on a moment and I was in the film version we had mentioned to people I was in this this movie wasn't nice that the threat that they made this black character I said I was the richest character in this book I was a billionaire S. And they said oh they made that the character into a black character I said no that character is a black carrot in a book who is not a slave go read it all Catherine it's beam of Lisa speak to it you know it's it's all those things see someone you know and I was just on a what's this story you know not stop talking. With Eleanor them of yeah they're not about. Like the silent house I live in and there's no knowing how to do the best I'm welcoming please give Catherine Drysdale a round of applause thank you feel close. To. 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