Bridge Botanic Garden was never taken in the u.k. It was warming like this come floods and a promising new technique being tried out in Scotland suggest by substantial and sudden flooding flash flood might be for a cost in the future. Whereas we've been hearing 2 British women are among the 30 people injured by a volcanic eruption on quite a island off the coast of New Zealand 5 people are believed to be dead and another 8 unaccounted for this is what Stuart Coburn from the local ambulance service told reporters. Majority of the injuries blastoff injuries. A number of us process were critical. For cawed very intensive care at the hospital and then with transported a number of patients to the hospitals and he still was believed the other victims were from Australia the United States China and Malaysia and this is what the Prime Minister Scott Morrison said it has been a very difficult. I have been speaking with Prime Minister a durned and the news we feed would be very difficult and it is proving to be sorrow. Is to die there with 24 stridency enjoying a wonderful cruise. In New Zealand taking in those sots together enjoying life a peaceful time of the 24 strides we've been awful to ascertain I've been on and this morning that 13 of those a stridency hospitalized across multiple hospitals in New Zealand. There are 11 astride that is still unaccounted for. And that we fear of the 5 a deceased person that 3 of those up to 3. Are strides but that is not yet confirmed. Well that was Scott Morrison joining us now from Radio New Zealand as Colin Peacock a local and Howard Well they're hard day for everybody it's been almost exactly $0.24 the volcano erupted How is the. Rescue proceeding. Now all fairly slowly as we heard yesterday even some hours after the eruption in the 1st arrival back of people who'd been rescued from the island and the distribution of victims to hospitals around the North Island there is some frustration that the police were saying the island was still too dangerous to talk to can pass to heart for police and rescue was to visit so darkness fell some 7 or 8 hours later and no one had been able to go to the island today the police were able to get vessels close to there to launch drones and helicopters and other aircraft to have a look we believe at least one or 2 police officers here and search and rescue people have been able to sit for it and have a look around but the message that's been coming back is the same as it was yesterday late yesterday before it got completely dark and that was no signs of life at all so we're kind of stuck with those casualties figures and in people now trying to make sure that the survivors and the victims have the best chance in the hospitals where they've been distributed amongst them Boone's units around the country to make sure they get the best care where where the survivors actually taken from how much do we need nor know about what happened. Well there are 2 groups travel by boat on one of the main 2 a companies who apparently often operate 3 boats so one boat load had been up in. The one the 1st group of tourists were the ones that were captured on the webcam writing on the island as being very close to the cry to like when the eruption happened the 1st group in fact had already completed their tour and were down at the boat ramp so they were the ones who were able to rescue a few people bring them back and then make a return journey some helicopter pilots from the volcanic air service in the way spec rescue helicopter that's the one that does a lot of the medical evacuations to and from hospitals they sprang into action and were able to risk you some people as well so the 1st boat that came in yesterday was apparently came in quite quite sedately and the evacuation was orderly The 2nd one with I think the badly injured people arrived at pace in covered in ash so that was obviously more more dramatic So at the moment they've distributed the victims among hospital from little more and all cleaned for the down to the Heart Hospital which is close to the south of the North Island quite a distance away to make sure that they get the best of care and albeit Boone's units in the specialist treatment that's available there. And how did they actually proceed with it was it a huge eruption at the beginning or did it build up. No it was a said to be spared and almost instantaneous it was described by the specialist as a throat clearing outburst from from the mountain So initially they experts said this is likely to be followed by a period of query since so they weren't initially worried about a bad repeat or eruptions or intensification of it but since then they've analyzed some of the data and they do say there's a $5050.00 chance the g.n.a.s. a Vulcan all a jackal service a 5050 chance of a fear that eruption within 24 hours the weather that's a strong as the one we saw yesterday or not we don't know and in fact the experts have been a pains to stress that this wasn't a large eruption on the scale of things an effect on their $1.00 to $5.00 scale they rated at a 4 with 5 being the top and the ash fall pretty much confined to over the island itself and the surrounding sea and it's about 48 to 50 kilometers to the nearest point on shore and although they initially issued warnings to people to stay away from the shore and be aware of of ash fall since it look at that seems to be contained over the island itself. But the questions now being asked about absolute is an activity over recent weeks and specifically on the 18th of November where the alert was raised from one to 2 and one of the 2 a company's bacon June appointed extra tour guides to operate his kind of forward scouts that would send them out before taking the tour groups out just to look for signs of anything or any extra activity at the crater lake So questions are now being asked about whether really given an upsurge of volcanic activity the tourist should have been going on at all and all this the prime minister says will be looked at in time and a full inquiry. And there are other other volcanoes where we know it's on the Ring of Fire column but other other volcanoes that are as active as this one while there are and they haven't been any major eruption that have activated the National Emergency Management System but just as recently as 996 Mt grew up a Who which is a major tourist location one of 3 of those big volcanic cones in the central North Island not too far away from the Bay of Plenty where White Island are situated off the shore there was a serious eruption back in 1906 some people were injured there and after that they had to build new channels to take lava and what they called the flows off the mountain and make sure they went away from safety in the ski fields on the same tour of populations there so it's certainly as you say on the ring of fire it's an ever present danger the serious major eruptions though a so rare that I guess it was considered safe risky or. An acceptable risk to run tourism to White Island so all that's going to be looked at in this inquiry and just keep people on their toes there's been a $5.00 earthquake just south of gives been which again not too far away on the East Cape of north of the North Island about 2 and a half hours ago now the experts genius say that it's not related but it certainly hasn't done anything to soothe the nudes of people in that part of the country Colleen Many many thanks. What we heard call and say there that the level was raised in the middle of November and we can hear more about how these things are managed from Dr Janine crip Who's of all can all just on the line from Washington hello Dr Crippen or l.a. How you very good now you've you've obviously studied some of New Zealand's volcanoes. Colin said that the level was raised in the middle of November what would have been the reason for that yes sir genius uses a different technology is a fine to pick method to actually study the volcanoes and look for changes and activity so if one or more hours a showing an increase in activity will pay more attention and being a little can be raised to indicate that the activity is above normal levels so that's what happened here. In this case that they raised they raise the alert level this is not like some talons of which for weeks before. Being studied back in 1980 and in the state of Washington was being studied as a place where there was quite likely going to be a major volcanic eruption correctness is very very different and that with Mt St Helens there was a lot of. Information telling the vulcanologist at the time that magma was making its way toward the surface and that's not the case yet this was a very different father option much much smaller. Very very different the warning signs are different and. Just are just part. Of the different scenario where this is much smaller the activity would be much lower. Under some the system could still I mean it shot up in the 12000 feet and you know cause catastrophic injuries to the people who were on the rim of the volcano. This is where it gets you know it gets tendentious doesn't it because you say well how come you were climbing up the rim of the volcano when the thing erupted but but this isn't it's not restricted to New Zealand you know people going for a good close look at a volcano. Oh absolutely not and you know it doesn't take as a corruption to be catastrophic and you can have larger options but don't impact people so it really depends on what people and our infrastructure and the way and when what health products of the option but we live around Ok is all around the world there are over 800000000 people living within 100 kilometers of O'Kane is around the world there are a lot of benefit tourism as we see here agriculture there beautiful places and live off of resources so there are many many positives the bulking are but every now and again we get surprised by eruptions like the more options that happen and the impacts that just heartbreaking. Yes Would there have been any warning in the the half an hour before the eruption to place with the brain any rumblings writing of that sort and I don't know if. I'm sure will be analyzing everything very very closely but that'll be a question today in what they've had a chance to look back on and in a case like that it's it's perfectly well I wouldn't say normal but it's it's understood that a volcano can just go off but it doesn't have to make any kind of initial shuddering or anything. Has a rupture that I've driven by magma rising to the center there are a lot more warning. Ructions are driven by being in that are building pressure under a volcano. The magma pushing its way through the rock every finger and causing the Dome of the lookout for same driven eruptions that Christianity quietly building until it breaks reaches a breaking point. And would this volcano have been they well studied. British absolutely genius and researchers in New Zealand have done a great job working on open or understanding it and monitoring it and this goes to show us that even with the be a finance and the well wanted of Ok you know is that the prices you still have the. Door to Janine Crippen or thank you very much for talking to us thank you while you may have heard the term supermassive black holes and new findings seem to say that super massive black holes in space may not be as massive as were once thought a group of astronomers think that the way we measure them is wrong and that they could be more powerful well as find out what Professor Aron Carra who is an astronomer at mit the Massachusetts Institute of Technology can tell us Hello Professor Carr I ride Thanks for having me on the show good good to have you with us. Supermassive black holes mean what distinguishes a supermassive black hole the way that people think about it conventionally. That's right yes so there are kind of 2 classes of black holes as we know of them in the universe there are what we call stellar mass black holes these are the black the the small black holes that that are produced through a supernova explosion when a massive star explodes and collapses into a black hole just to do its own the strong gravity of this you know the massive previously massive star and that produces a black hole that's maybe $10.00 to $20.00 times the mass of the sun something around that order of magnitude but then on the other side of the spectrum there are these huge black holes that we call super massive black holes that said as a center is of most if not all galaxies and they range in mass from around a 1000000 times the mass of the sun to a 1000000000 or even 10000000000 times the mass of the sun that's a huge difference of scale listen to them even if you're just doing zeros or to the power of it it's a big big difference Absolutely yeah it's a it's a huge question in astrophysics right now how do you grow a super massive black hole in the 1st place if the only way that we really know how to make a black hole is through this supernova explosion and the collapse of a massive star how do you go from something that's 10 times the mass of the sun to 10000000000 times the mass of the sun and we don't really understand the details behind that and then the other question is why don't we see any intermediate masses between that that those 2 huge ranges these are big low pressure. Of middle sized barriers were. When you talked about them being the center of every almost every galaxy if we got one of the middle of Virgo except. We do it's called Sagittarius a star and it's because it's close you know when you look towards the constellation Sagittarius that's the set towards the center of our galaxy and that black hole is $4000000.00 times the mass of the sun. Forebode. And do they have a different I mean because they're so strong Do they have different characteristics to regular black holes actually what's interesting is that the stellar mass black holes behave in in very similar ways to the super massive black holes and in that sometimes we see them. Feeding on a lot of material and like in the case of a super massive black hole that's hot gas from the surrounding galaxy and in the case of a stellar mass black hole sometimes you see stellar mass black holes that get into a binary system with a normal star like our sun and it can pull off the Tiriel from that star over time but what's interesting is that in both of these cases the stellar mass black hole with you know binary system and the super massive black hole in sitting at the center of a galaxy they both have form what we call accretion disks of material that's kind of swirling towards the center of the black hole and and they behave in actually very similar ways surprisingly similar ways just an on extremely different sized scales. Let me ask about this new way of measuring or winning a supermassive black hole can you explain it in layman's terms. Yeah so this is one this is a problem something that's very challenging for astronomers is to to measure the mass of a black hole now the the mass of of the black hole at the center of our galaxy Sagittarius a star is actually very early well measured because we have telescopes because because that black hole is just so close to us. And we can actually resolve the trajectories of individual stars near the center of our galaxy and we can map out how they're moving around. Some you know dark object and because we can map out the trajectory and the velocity of those stars then we can infer with the mass of our black hole at the center of our galaxy is and it gets a little bit harder when you talk about the super massive black holes that other galaxies because it's they're too far away you can't resolve the trajectories of individual stars but we use the bulk motions of stars at the centers of galaxies to kind of try and infer the masses of the central black hole. Is like looking at a footprint to try to figure out what size of a passion made that footprint Exactly yeah so will this mean that the size of these super massive black holes is revised downwards is that something that you're now seeing So one of the interesting things that this. That this paper is is taking on is you know the the. The best ways that we have for measuring the masses of black holes is when those black holes have lots of material. Accreting on to the black hole when when there's lots of material getting close to the black hole then we have the best chance of measuring the mass of that black hole but most black holes in the universe don't have a lot of material accreting on to them about 90 percent of the black holes that we see don't have a lot of that material and so it's harder to measure the masses of those galaxies and what this paper is suggesting is that they've they've. Proposed a new technique for measuring the masses of these. What we call quiescent galaxies this 90 percent of galaxies of black holes that don't have a lot of material around them and what their study suggests is that those that you know from this new analysis is that the at the supermassive black hole holes are are less massive than than what we previously thought I would say though that when we study individual black holes and these ones that have lots of material around them. They. It's isn't look like there's anything necessarily wrong with how we've been measuring black holes in the past but this new technique is is trying to go beyond looking at individual black hole masses and is trying to say something about the population of all super massive black holes regardless of whether or not they're you know feeding on a lot of material Well I think you very much for you know making such a great effort to make it make sense to us we really appreciate it thank you for having me on the show thank you for by the way sales of what are variously called for by force or sports utility vehicles no outnumber electric vehicle sales a rate of $37.00 to $1.00 the government's u.k. Energy Research Center says that this is threatening attempts to reduce carbon emissions S.U.V.s accounted for 21 percent of new car sales last year in the u.k. Professor Julian Annabelle is from the center behind the research hello So here is I beg pardon here is Professor Gillian Annabelle. Well there's quite a few reasons why this is happening and it's quite easy to sort of blame the consumers though it's sort of bad bad taste in and not caring about the planet but in actual fact the choice of these vehicles on the market is huge it's been rising the way in which they've been marketed has been really quite aggressive motor manufacturers have been found to only spend about 4 percent of their advertising revenue on showing us the electric vehicle a we have a card and an environment a lot of people think they need a car b. These cars are very attractive see the finance deals are offered actually don't really disclose the benefits of getting a less energy intensive vehicle they don't show you the running costs they really just showing you the monthly repayments they're wrapping up the government taxing those prepayments the annual circulation tax so people aren't getting the carbon signals so what we've been doing is really focusing on the uptake of electric vehicles and really focusing on you know what proportion the market are we up to and for pure battery electric vehicles that's the one percent of car sales at the moment so it's tiny and we've kind of. Turned off face away from the other end of the market where this phenomenon is happening of this uptake of large vehicles so we set these targets for electric vehicles what we need to do is to phase out the the larger and the more gas guzzling and and in the meantime where is selling millions of these vehicles that are going to be on the roads the next 10 to 15 years whilst we're talking about climate emergency where the transport sector is the only sector way missions are still rising so where you know completely inconsistent with what we're doing. And we need to get the prices right so that across the transport system we have a situation where it's not beneficial to jump to jump in the car but because we haven't been increasing our fuel tax and duties and so on on cars we need to get the prices right to shift mobility across the board. And that was Professor Julian audible speaking earlier today to the b.b.c. And it's half past 1. On digital b.b.c. Sounds slushy and Venus is b.b.c. 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Experience is more intense storms the issue working out where flash floods will hit becomes increasingly important and Scotland there's a well established warning system for river and coastal floods but less so for Safra swatter to address this the Scottish Environment Protection Agency is working on its flood forecasting service what makes it a flash flood anyway I've been hearing from Dr Christopher right I beg your pardon Dr Christopher White Sr like her in water and the divine mental engineering at the University of Strathclyde So flash flooding and names but this particular case we're talking about surface water flooding is when. You have an intense very heavy things to happen so a very nice catchment So a 6 tenth's or child. Range pulls. Very fast very heavy on roads pavements car parks and simply rainfall as it falls he has nowhere to go other than to those hard surfaces and that can be 2 very quick very very sudden flash flooding the sort of like service like we saw in Sheffield the beginning of November kept people in that hole shopping center that was surface water. Flooding simply. The simplest way rainfall causing a very sudden burst of floods right just water has got nowhere to go and as you said where the natural drainage has been sealed off by concrete That's right. This country. Like many times we have a legacy of very urbanized centers where the idea of. Drainage for rain forests is simply where it goes into our Susan and friends and to relisten to the sea though because we expand our heart areas of roads and. Continue to expand. Therefore there's nowhere for that water to go and it's a problem that. With better forecasting hopefully we're trying to trying to alleviate that another more than there used to be. It's a difficult question to answer that one. In the 2 halves to one. The question is more is there more rainfall to lead to the sort of events the climate scientists saying that there has been and is likely to be an increase in those very intense very localized rainfall events that these type of flood events but you also have to couple it with. The increase of of our towns and cities in our expansion. Using our countryside and the green space for town center so it's a it's a 2 sided coin there a little bit. To 2 tribes to increase. The size of the right rear but we're building more and therefore the rate isn't going away the way it used to are the very difficult to predict. Yes they are of all the flood events is perhaps the most difficult and just to be clear when the other types of other events are river flood events High River flows over overtopping of the banks or coastal flooding the sort of flow of its surface water out of it of course by rainfall a so hard to predict because not only have you got to predict where that very intense very extreme rainfall is going to fall but also then what is going to happen to that rainfall want is full and so you're mixing meteorology weather forecasting with hydrology. The science of water and water movement across. Through drainage. Because there's a bit of so localized pinpoint in them with any accuracy to say there's a likelihood of a of an event in that place in the city center at that time. It has always been interesting tricky thing to do but of course. Now what about the system in Scotland then the Scottish Environment. Takes an agency is developing is it a particularly interesting forecasting model. C. Per back in 2014 for the Commonwealth Games did a trial of a model a system where. The Commerce gains we could all call this exactly this type of event surface surface water flooded and that still is is cutting edge that we study. Was to look at that and other examples of those sorts of tools the sort of products are supposed to see is that the cutting edge is that still. The way forward and after the show that it stacks up very well because. The Scottish. Capability in the spaces is that is really at the leading edge of this kind of science. This isn't over yet or an operational product it was designed to receive the Commonwealth Games like I said but because in intention is to is to look into this type of forecasting more as is the rest of the u.k. As well. And start wishing so where it sits and where the future of this lies. And that was taught to Chris for quite a story Clyde university well looking on the papers there's absolutely no doubt the picture of the commands all the front pages are nearly all the front pages is the picture of the volcano in New Zealand erupting in a great column of ash and smoke and steam filling the air but when you get done to the substance of many of the headlines. Of a good headlines The Daily Telegraph reports saying that the Conservative Party is fearing that the chances of Jeremy carbon winning have been seriously underestimated this is the Telegraph's line it reports a party memo saying that tactical voting in just 12 seats could remove Mr Johnson from Downing Street Express on the mail are quoting Mr Johnston as saying he might axe the b.b.c. License the t.v. License and the The Times. And the Guardian with the Guardian as a 2nd lead on the volcano the Times is leading on it and the Metro and the Daily Mirror and The Guardian are all leading on the boy on the hospital floor we're going to take a look though at the Financial Times with Fred student. Well for us the big story out of the markets on Monday was the plunge in share prices in a company called Tullow Oil which is been very popular with investors it's in recent years decades even late their shares lost 70 percent after it had to say that it was causing its production outlook because it's got some of its. Merits some of its forecasting wrong and this is led to the departure of its chief executives as well as its head of exploration and then I own my own son a bit dry but if I give you some context on this is a company it's a well 1st off that 70 percent drop in share price was. Market Value down 1400000000 pounds so that tells you have take the hit was but if you go back a bit and you can see that in its heyday or as. You know in the better years so that was back in 2012 the company was worth 14500000000 and after Monday's time on stock more will plunge and in its share price way it was down to 562000000 so that those figures just give you a sense of the scale of what's been happening here tele oil. Favorite as I said by a lot of you came Vestas because it was something called the unknown is the frontin markets of the oil industry sort of going out into areas where some of the majors can't don't want to go maybe they're just a bit Tunisia or too marginal or too risky did a lot of businesses been doing a lot of business in Africa and is one of the companies that rode the boom in oil prices for quite a while but as we know there's been a sort of more difficult period for the industry in recent years and you've seen the challenges coming incidents such as the rise of the shale oil industry gas and in the u.s. Which is not helped the likes of ton of oil and basically the. They've had to sort of take a sort of hard look at themselves and say that they. Reckon that their production will be almost a 3rd lower than it forecast at the start of this year 2019 and that's always a quite a material hit and it's also had to suspend its dividend and as I said earlier just say goodbye to its chief executive and the head of x. Exploration so that's in city terms all in quite a big story. They prime minister the national health service. Well it won't come on says a fall of over the photo of a 4 hour or I think it's proved Monday did not prove a great day for the prime minister over this one issue which was very. Big in the Senate in some of the print media but then gathered the sheet storm and in social media and within some of. The game further it was accelerated if you like by this awkward interview the prime minister gave to. The news and where he seemed to almost sort of not want to confront the visual evidence of this 4 year old child Jack would have meant by. Who for want of the bad and then it up being laid down on a pile of coats in a lead leads hospital with an oxygen mask and think he was. Evidently suffering was being treated for a suspected pneumonia and it was just the prime minister's reaction. Was it was certainly very ill judged lots of speculation on. Social media and from all the usual sources as to why people saying that you know he's been his team is so desperate for him to sort of stay on message as they need to use the terminology and not to sort of you know go off script and reacted to individual instance well if that is if that is for a moment true than that that this is sort of would prove the wrong advice in this case. Now it's always difficult to judge how this might play out in the election campaign I mean the rule of thumb always was. The n.h.s. Is generally seem to be an issue where Labor do better on and that the voters trust Labor more than the Conservative Party on that we know that the Tories will be making a lot of. Effort to to sort of promoting selves as as guardians of the n.h.s. And promise of investment famously lots of new hospitals that the promises that the Bills event he wins on Thursday I mean it's still difficult to judge at the end of the day how much does this play out at the ballot box the conservatives quickly dispatch the health secretary. Up to Leeds hospital where he sort of sort contain the around express his sympathy and the good qualities of motional reaction to to the plight of that child. But as I said you know we don't it's always a bit unclear how do you sort of point sort of sudden sort of flashes in in media attention on one particular issue or a parent gaffe or slip up by a senior politician in this case the prime minister. You know does that will that really change voting habits recall that Gordon Brown had an incident in the 202010 election campaign ready to sort of call saying on. Your microphone's and rude remarks about a woman and they're going to well that's him done for but later was judged not to have really moved things that much. And that was Fred's tournament financial ties with difficult to exaggerate the role played in Pakistan by the army so when a court intervened over a proposed extension to the tenure of the present chief General budge. It caused a problem know who is going to lead the Pakistani army I've been talking to Ronnie Singh. It's a very important decision Raj The Who is the army chief in Pakistan the current person or the person who's in between jobs shall we say is general come in. He's had 3 years in post and the question that the Pakistani government is getting in a bit of a stew about is does he get 3 more years now it's important in Pakistan because in that country for half of its history there has been military rule notorious generals were General Zia and General Pervaiz Musharraf and Pakistan's different to western countries Western democracies in that the army chief in in Western countries doesn't usually get involved in politics but in Pakistan it's different the army actually sets defense policy and with the reality volatility in the region recently you know there's been tension with India over Kashmir this particular Jedward general has been quite hawkish and a vocal critic of India's actions now because of the tensions and the volatility in the region Bucky's than the government decided in Orcus that he should stay on for another 3 years and he was due to finish his term on the 28th of November and start his new term at midnight that day meanwhile somebody filed a petition to the c.p. Supreme Court questioning the legality of an extension of 3 years so the Supreme Court. Couple of days before the deadline was due for expiry of and renewal of the army team's tenure said hang on Pakistan government we want to know the legal reasons by which you are extending this at this term for the army chief because there's nothing in the Constitution that specified about the army chiefs term so sort yourselves out you've got 6 months to do this now an author who writes a lot about the Pakistan military is should know was he's a distinguished fellow at the South Asia Center in Washington d.c. If a constitutional amendment is required the new 2 thirds majority would be needed and the government would have to cobble together a massive goal Lucian of opposition parties in order to achieve its goal this is created jitters and change the par balance within the alliance of civil in the military in Pakistan that was dominated by the military and now the par seems to be shifting for the next 6 months 2 words the courts as well as Parliament . Sin O'Shane really are things quite unstable within Pakistan itself as far as the army chief is concerned the economy's not in good shape and internationally you know relations with. The us are unstable to the west of Pakistan there's the there's of Kurdistan which has had elections recently so that nobody knows what's going to happen there and to the east you've got India with whom there are tensions and over in the far corner you've got President China saying that General bad choice a long time friend of China so internationally it matters and so what role what what role General Bargewell plays in the near future in Pakistan is going to be something that we're all watching very carefully is this any good do with the prime ministers who do their. Well it's Imran Khan's government and. Over the past 3 years he has had seem to have had more shall we say a less aggressive and. More of a sort of how do we say amicable relationship with the military than his predecessor Sharif had said they're all sorts of rumors about who is controlling who but that's not for me to say and what happens over the next few months is going to be very interesting and for for Pakistan watchers but also very very important for Imran Khan. That's a few months since we've started talking about the religious corridor that was opened between India and Pakistan to allow one special group of pilgrims through and there's some rather interesting about. There isn't the follow on story it was the Sikh temple over in Pakistan that was renovated and opened for the birth anniversary of the founder of the Sikh faith when all these thousands of Indian Sikh people pilgrims came across and now in the Pakistani province of Sindh there's a little village called Jeanette where reportedly there are no Sikhs living atoll but this Sikh temple here in general has been reopened and renovated with a grant from the local part Pakistani politician for the birth anniversary of the founder of the Sikh faith and the people who've been doing this other local Muslim and Hindu community who have a reverence and a respect for this particular Sikh guru the founder and the Hindus have been decorating and renovating it and when you go into a Sikh temple you always get a free vegetarian meal with a does that a taste a little bit like semolina say the Muslim community prepared that meal and served it to to the locals now a veteran journalist who is from this area is more along and I've been talking to him about this story there are many examples like this village Donald you around South Asia the heart and soul of the stories that listen that despite the carnage of the partition of India in 1947 the multiculturalism the humanity is still a life. You know he mentions in 1947 what does a Slinky and since 947 much to partition there are more than 400 Hindu temples that have 4 limited into. Desser panel being adopted and used for other purposes not places of worship some become toy stores stemming some of become restaurants government offices and schools but just recently the Pakistani government decided that these Hindu temple should be restored and renovated and become places of worship and heritage sites so it shows that Pakistan in this aspect is trying to preserve aspects of its multicultural multiculturalism which has always been there to a greater or lesser degree Rani Singh Well look let's say talk to Lynn Sweet No The Chicago Sun Times Hello Lynn where Hello how are you very good there was yet another public hearing in Washington in the biggest committee room in Congress what did they get up to on Monday well this could well be the last hearing before the House as well as the House committee vote out articles of impeachment for the entire house to consider and it was very well for that 7 hour day there were no fact witnesses and this wind it is sample of the partisan divide between Republicans and Democrats in Congress right now. You know you could listen to probably any 10 minute segment and gotten a good sense how divided the parties are over this impeachment you know a column I have. I made the point that the Republicans are saying why didn't we just wait until the election because states elections now are less the way that the people decide the Democrats finally have been able to find a simple way to say why they are proceeding now even though they could use somewhere information the preceeding now because they see it this term is trying to do is a crime a crime in a sense where he is trying to hijack 20 twentieth's action so that's why they need to act now the one thing I'd like to point out for our listeners is that personal lawyer Jani just last week was thinking of. People as part of his quest to dig up dirt on the side of one of the Democratic front runners former Vice President Joe Biden. Some suggestion isn't there are. People trying to read the runes on this committee and saying that they might be going for Mr Giuliani or the Rahm of the White House might be trying to distance themselves pretty hard night from this when we on the OIC so you have to in analyzing what goes on in the White House people on the inside could say one thing and then you have to listen to what Trump says and tweets just on Saturday Trump said that he years doesn't say how that Giuliani when he gets back from Europe will have plenty of information are Biden and he wants to take it to Congress and to the Justice Department where usually if you have it snow or you just don't show up in front of Congress myths of impeachment percent yes this is not where the president acts when. When a person wants to distance himself from somebody so I don't buy it it's allies Congress are perfectly capable of going Giuliani under the bus they ready did it today with the European ambassador it was given to us Ambassador to the we're looking for and somebody out to be something of a half worse and they asked or didn't quite know what interest really. Was in the garden the sun was now being left to sort of swing in the wind and I'm surprised they so trumpet ministration still has about the job because I don't see how it could be effective in any way. At this point given his testimony which where he said publicly that there was a pretty pro quo and that the Democrats and Republicans are trying to make him out as someone who doesn't know what a story is and it keeps changing and he's just pretty hapless kind of a guy. Well of all the. Excitement thank you very much well Ok And thank you. For. This c.c. Radio. It's 2 o'clock I'm here with a. 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