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B.B.C. Radio Gloucestershire. It's Asians from across the B.B.C. This is up or not I'm Dawson as a buyer I'm a news on Five Live or suspected gunman's in custody following a four hour siege in Bahrain and in sport Lewis Hamilton wins the US Graham free but will have to wait to claim his fourth Well title on the farm by wolves are right now you can hear footballers and pundits same carriage say that every one of the worst teams this is in and that it feels like everyone at Everton is that enough. This is B.B.C. The B.B.C. News on farm live is Joan B. . Police have ended a full hour siege at a bowling alley in the Neeson where two whole cities were being held by a gunman the suspect has been arrested and two staff members rescued their own habits and expelled Holland was in the middle of a game with a friend when the man entered the building a man who was also playing ball and run across all lines showing get out get out the term horn marry a white man to go in a retired. Game over game over get out of everyone's panic and scream in everyone just running trying to get out the doors really had to really a government minister says almost all British extremists who have gone to fight with the Islamic state group will have to be killed because of the threat they pose to the U.K. War East to it has told the B.B.C. The British recruits to I.A.S. Have moved away from any kind of allegiance towards the U.K. They believe in an extremely hateful doctrine which involves killing themselves killing others and trying to use violence brutality to create an eighth century centrist state so I'm afraid we have to be serious about these people are serious budget and unfortunately any way of dealing with them will be in almost every case to kill. The leaders of five business lobby groups are calling for a break sit transition deal to be agreed as soon as possible that's sending a letter to the BRICS it Secretary David Davis says firms are preparing to make serious decisions which will affect jobs and investment drivers of some of the most polluting vehicles will be affected by new talk sick charge when driving in central London up to ten thousand vehicles per day a thought to be liable for the ten pound additional charge these people have been telling five life what they think of it is probably a good thing it doesn't affect me except a new car which from thousands won't be affected that be a good thing you know abbreviate is important I'm trying to get a motorbike and salmon I know you have to get in a certain year that's why I've got to join source a motorbike which is part of two thousand and seven so that it doesn't fall into a customer who lives on the north classic cars and motherboards in town the head of the World Health Organization says he's listened carefully to people who were concerned about Robert Mugabe becoming a goodwill ambassador the decision has been reversed off the critics argue the president destroyed Zimbabwe's own health care system. Health officials wants more patients to be told to go home and rest rather than be given antibiotics Public Health England say people have a part to play in stopping the rise of drug resistant super bugs Professor Neil Wood fits works at a lab where the most serious infections ascents while out looks for resistance to the most powerful antibiotics we currently have if we go back to two thousand and five to two thousand and seven we were seeing these bacteria in maybe two to four cases per year last year we confirmed these resistant bacteria in over two thousand cases and Japan's prime minister Shinzo Abe A has declared victory in his country's general election his liberal democratic party is heading for more than three hundred seats a large majority in the lower house of Parliament's. 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My loved one and while coming up in this in a moment the World Health Organization as you heard in the headlines has backed out of appointing Robert Mugabe as its goodwill ambassador but what will the long impact of this fiasco if it is that be see the. Important work it does all over the world. Also after Weinstein another high profile Hollywood figure is accused of sexual assault by dozens of women and why some parents in Central West Africa are prepared to marry underage daughters often child brides and what can be done to tackle it will get the week's news from Argentina and also remember in an hour's time an open of the phone lines featured. Young says in the question tonight is simply. From Monday morning young up or not phoning to younger people oh older people you know respect and all that kind of thing all do you go to people all younger people you know their jobs and their careers and their homes and such and you decide who owes who first said the World Health Organization as you've done its decision to. Point Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe as a goodwill ambassador after facing widespread criticism critics including the U.K. Government called the appointment surprising and disappointing given the ninety three year old leader's record on human rights but the UN's public health body praised Mugabe's commitment to public health in spite of many saying that Zimbabwe's health care system had collapsed under his leadership Well the dummy chose Director General Ted Ross and a norm job raises said he'd listen to people's concerns don't to Derek yak He's the former executive director of non-communicable diseases and mental health and the World Health Organization asked him for his reaction to the initial appointment I think like so many of my colleagues and people around the world one of incredulity just could not believe that. Chosen for any function of leadership inside the U.N. Indeed how do you think it came about the mood behind it I wish I knew. Well I can only guess that maybe they wanted a leader from Africa to give a vision of what's needed. To process the very first director general representing the African continent but frankly I cannot imagine what the logic was so the Kodocha general of the W.H.O. Is an African is it the first time yes for the first time in the history of would he have made the decision then to appoint president garbage or goodwill ambassador . Yeah absolutely he would have made the decision and in fact in early quiet when he made it he made it very clear that it was a decision of his and one based on what he believed was an outstanding record of improving the health of the people of Zimbabwe if that's the case you see very confusing now that you say that because there must be good leaders in Africa if you want to make an African thing we'll see many other leaders who've got much more outstanding credentials in terms of health care in their country than. What they are obviously I mean I think we've seen the leadership of HIV AIDS malaria tuberculosis many major public health issues coming from Africa from the south all the way through to the north both in the political realm in the private sector across academia there were there are there's no service of outstanding people in Africa he could have chosen on the other hand given all of the sanctions against Zimbabwe maybe there's a political point to be made that despite that you know this regime started out with all the best intentions of trying to improve the universal health care in the country. Well that was thirty years ago and I'm from South Africa and I can certainly tell you that in the in the early eighty's and through the eighty's we really aspired to the kind of approach that was under way in Zimbabwe primary health care was being put into place very much along the lines nutrition programs were underway to actually eliminate what had been very high levels of under-nutrition and stenting became the breadbasket of Africa. The AIDS program became exemplary but all of that started fading by the late eighty's and by the ninety's when the decline into really the destruction of human rights and health and in fact the economy accelerated in some if you should use that term the bread basket of Africa wasn't really helpful in terms of post-colonialism terms is it and I can understand if if you look at it from a political point of view that the director general of the W.H.O. Might want to send out a political statement to those who are behind the sanctions who say that when you impose sanctions as Iran and other countries or so before it is ordinary people who suffer particularly with sanctions with regards to health and so only you could see how that political kind of argument might want to come out. Maybe but I think that most of the credible political leaders would imagine across Africa and of course the rest of the world but simply not by that given the decades of repression and brutality and suppression of human rights that's come at the hands of President a strange sort of there is academic now that the B.H. Has decided to rescind this invitation to the maker of the gobby Goodwill Ambassador what do you think the impact will be go forward in terms of public relations there goes to the. Well I think the key question is credibility and remember that it is the who in the end is the conscience of the world in terms of health just the W.H.O. Has to speak with credibility if there is a major epidemic with the potential to affect many countries and hundreds of thousands of people and their voice needs to be believed for that they need to be accepted have have incredible science and being based on purely focused of the interests of global health are not political interests the question of how the still affect their credibility is something I'm sure that they're looking at now as they try and repair the damage and to go deeper than that to go into the credibility on all aspects of this science which hopefully will come under scrutiny by people who will ask Are they truly using the best scientists in the world in areas like non-communicable diseases in policies related to other aspects of health . Because the see it's going to put a spotlight like we've never seen before on all the actions of. But to stress that we all need a strong global voice in health particularly when you have a crisis and particularly when you look to some international agency for assurance about what truly is a risk to health what really works to improve your health he can in the end carrying out its role on a global level can be to be really be nonpolitical. Well during the era I served under three directors general and of the three Dr Brundtland who had been prime minister of Norway really went out of her way to make sure that has seen appointments were not political appointments I was a privilege to serve in a cabinet not at the behest of the South African government at the time but because she believed I had the scientific background and everybody else in the Cabinet had an outstanding background whether it was infectious disease control health systems research and so on there was a deliberate decision of her to break with the past and no longer have little appointments representing initially the five permanent members of the Security Council since her since she left when they returned to the process of having political appointments which meant that atomised staff are usually selected on a political basis the technical staff the below that are so pretty outstanding people with very strong technical capabilities and left to their own devices I know would actually come up with what is in the best interests in global health and the question is how he's actually going to be able to show that he's allowing the true science the scientists the people with a strong background in the international community who really understand what works and what doesn't work to have their voices shine through against what is often a political obstruction indeed from parties them political. In daily with government is not in of itself a political kind of position the show takes opponents of never less Well I think it's political in the sense that you have to be aware of the sle of the reality of international politics and I think that the skill of a director general and their senior staff requires making sure that you steering those political leaders heads of state and the shareholders of the organization who are the member states in the end to often take action that they may not agree with from a narrow perspective either the economy or their politics but is going to serve the bigger interest which is improving the global health. What should now happen to the Dollar General Dr Ted rose and you know him every say is is his job suited to boost his position tenable what should happen to him given the consequences that you've laid down. Well I mean why is it for me to say what happens to him but I certainly know that the one area where he appointed president McCarthy era of non-communicable diseases was one of the see very close to my heart and still is. And remember that he appointed him as a global ambassador to the the world to address the fact that chronic diseases cancers cardiovascular disease driven by tobacco and diet and activity and alcohol are not the most important dominant causes of death and disease in the world his best response to my mind would be to take the commission that he recently appointed and a very able leader Sandy and from Pakistan and make sure that she gets the real resources the real funding the real capability to have a commission that is truly independent that actually demonstrates what he failed to do with McCarthy draws upon the best science brings in private public partnerships and he's allowed to come up with truly innovative solutions to solve some of the biggest problems facing the world if he did that he'd actually be showing that while he fails to actually make a good decision with Mugabi he is not turning his back on the non-communicable diseases era in fact he's going to strengthen it and bring the best brains the best resources the best from the public and the private sector to bear that I think would be one way of starting to turn the ship of course in the broader issues he's going to have to both bridges with particularly the leading countries who have imposed sanctions on Zimbabwe and address that through a political process talk about an own goal from the W.H.O. That was Dr Derek yack of Informix actually director for non-communicable diseases and mental health of the World Health Organization crooks everywhere you look the situation is desperate those with the words of Maltese journalist have to encounter on a Galathea who published a blog post on the same day that she was killed in a car bomb last week Khurana going to few. Was an investigative journalism all to no for her blog where she accused some of the country's top politicians of corruption on Sunday thousands gathered on the streets of the capital of a letter demanding justice for the reporter killed last Monday Well Herman Gregg who is the editor of The Times of Malta five lives frankly Chhobi asked him about the demonstration there where thousands are roughly Sugar about fifteen maybe even twenty two thousand which for a society which is no one so sits comfortably at home and just complain. TO SOCIAL MEDIA Yeah it was quite an impressive turnout today and sort it out people are demanding justice but what would that look like in Walter. Thing is look if you have to ask people who showed up today what they were demanding it gets different answers I think people are looking for just as there were people of course there in solidarity with the deafening family but I think mainly people are just want a semblance of law and order to make they need to make sure that we have the right institutions in place and that criminals are not left to act with impunity there are pitches online of some of those who are at the protest today and they're holding signs saying nothing estate and crooks everywhere you look to what extent is that true with the irony is that Daphne posted her last blog post just half an hour before she was killed and have very last line it's almost chilling was there are crooks everywhere you look in Malta. The mafia state labeled that came from the new foreign news organizations and it stuck now I don't think most as a mafia state there are some dodgy things happening which I don't like but in reality this is a normal democracy and there is rule of law so I find it a bit. You know quite excessive that the motors getting stuck with these labels at the moment and as a journalist in winter how safety Thales. Quite safe I can't say I don't feel safe . Let's put things in perspective this is the first attack on a journalist here and the first physical attack and it didn't wasn't just an attack unfortunately it was. Spectacle basically it was that the people who got Daphne wanted to send out a statement that you don't want to play around with us. Because we will eliminate you in this way. But in reality. Mortar is quite a safe place even for journalists but of course it's put people's backs up on people I've heard colleagues of my saying if they feel safe enough about who are right and of its lead the eyes of the world are on water right now how seriously are the government taking that. Very seriously I mean the Prime Minister or for the one million euro reward yesterday to try to get her killers I don't know if they will unfortunately there's not much trust in the police. It's the trust is probably at an all time low and. You know there isn't much faith that that they will carry out the job we're just hoping that it will be a resort as soon as possible because rarely have I seen a society on edge as I did maybe this afternoon there demanding the resignation of the Police Commissioner do you think that's likely to happen. I personally think he has to go as a news organization we have also said he has to go simply because he's just been overseeing. Or maybe not acting on things he should have been acting with about in the last year there were the Panama papers remember we had two senior government officials implicated in the Panama papers and the police commissioner did nothing about it he is known not to act on serious Calais names and so people do not have trust in Him I mean he was the main target in this afternoon's manifestation but it's not just the police commissioner there's been a lot of criticism of politicians as well and Walter what about the prime minister how safe is he looking. The prime minister over here it's incredible because just a couple of days before or after your sketch the week before actually presented a budget which was impressive no taxes no and who increases in taxation and he's on a high he won a second election and similarly last June precipitated because of the Afghanis claims ironically so he is on a high but suddenly it's because looking a bit rocky he's a very very popular. Person he's a smooth talker he's a former journalist he's you know he seems untouchable but he's on shaky ground because this incident is embarrassing can worldwide Now this happened on his watch and as much as you know I. Remember Daphne why hated the Labor Party hated the prime minister I mean she was she took you know she criticized him on a daily basis and this is not looking good on him so it is in his interest to resolve this as soon as possible that's Herman Grech the editor of the charms of Malta talking to five lives for and he turned to be the Hollywood screenwriter and film director James tow back has been accused of sexually harassing thirty eight different women according to an investigation by The L.A. Times mistletoe back who's known for films including the Oscar nominated Bugsy the surge of approach women on the streets promising to make them a star in later meetings the women allegedly sexually arrests the the seventy two year old denies the allegations and says he never met any of the women or if he did he has no recollection of it the report follows upwards of fifty women coming forward with allegations of sexual abuse and harassment against the Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein and speak to Rebecca Sun News a senior reporter with The Hollywood Reporter and of course Hollywood Reporter is the Bible I suppose of Tinseltown Rebecca has it every experience the kind of week or ten days or so that has unraveled in Hollywood. Yeah I think it's been about seventeen days since that initial October fifth New York Times report with Harvey Weinstein and since then to story has just been like I think it's like an avalanche that just continues to grow bigger and bigger the more people come forward with various stories about sexual harassment sexual abuse you know not just from Harvey Weinstein but as we see now obviously there were always other predators in our industry who is James talk about for those who don't know sure James to back so he has been working since you know the eighty's and I think his most acclaimed film was he co-wrote bugs you know the Bugsy Siegel mobster movie starring Warren Beatty he mostly makes you know sort of these low budget more edgy independent films you know but they've absolutely starred you know I mean Robert Downey Jr was in three of his movies like I said before Warren Beatty his most recent one he had a film that premiered at Venice this year starring Sienna Miller and Alec Baldwin but these are independent movies they're not going to be these big studio blockbusters that most people would have seen a Pepsi can avoid the most salacious of details would be how do you gauge is precisely. Sure you know there are like we said thirty eight women who have come forward speaking to the L A Times and the allegations he he sort of very just Lee approaches women you know just tells them I'm a movie director you have a beautiful look but he. How do I say this not being salacious I mean he masturbates in front of you know multiple women have said that he masturbates affirm that there is an want it sexual contact you know. That sort of thing he has similar requests for the women to ask him to and to ask them to touch him in places and sort of I apologize he gets out literally he gets off in front of these women. So I did apologize to the you've been as delicate as you can be without trying to avoid these accusations he's denying them those are correct you know he has said you know you know he's seventy one years old now he says that. He claims that diabetes in a heart condition literally prevents him from being physically capable of of these acts that although again some of these allegations date back you know decades but he has denied all of those and said that other than perhaps five minute encounters he has no recollection of any of these women fish a women in social has a lot of people coming forward more or less at the same time what prompted women to come and speak out against them do you know. Well I think that you know that is the first thing to say is that these stories about James tobacco have been out there and sacked if you look it's very interesting Spike magazine back in one nine hundred eighty nine published an exposé as I think about thirteen women you know detailing very very similar ammos almost identical at most but the reason why these stories have gained traction and interest is because of Harvey Weinstein it's because we're in this more cultural moment right now where all of these are coming to light and you know in many cases the women themselves have said I never wanted to come forward but seeing all of these stories about Harvey Weinstein made me realize that I need to speak out as well and so there is a direct correlation to why we're seeing this sort of domino effect such a remark of his age with you asking whether the Hollywood Reporter has ever experienced anything like this as much as it has been the somewhat insiders to proceed if you like of of Hollywood now that has been the paper of you know renown and has got friends in high places and that kind of thing very much a Bible and inside his bible of Hollywood but in all those years in all those years whether it's Hollywood the Hollywood Reporter's every experience anything like this or no which I'm sure hasn't been in all those years can you ever remember a seismic shift as dramatic as what Hollywood has gone through in the last couple weeks even the point where the tables are turned on produces it's quite it's hard to you know. Well it's a seismic shift in the way sure our shift in Hollywood has gone. Right well and I think I don't know if I can say that the power has shifted but this sort of exposure is certainly something unlike what we've seen before I mean in the years that I've worked in the street but in talking to my colleagues who have worked even longer you know nobody has seen a story continue to gain traction like this and also to grow so again the fact that this is not contained to just Harvey Weinstein but we saw you know today was James toe back last week you know Amazon Studios President Roy price you know has now lost his job because of allegations of sexual harassment it is surprising to see a story like this I don't think we've ever worked on sort of the same story for a now I mean it's you know again almost a month now and it continues to grow I have not seen this anything like this covering this industry or in journalism in general yeah I should say I have words in Los Angeles on newspapers there and I got the impression and I generally got the impression not just saying this that you know people were afraid of power people afraid of the person you know who had a little bit more power there was so now it seems that no women at least in Hollywood are fraid of those power brokers anymore oh I still I think that there still are actually I mean I evidently to would the West world actress posted a video saying you know she has in the past spoken about I think she's been she's been raped twice and she said I am still afraid to name my rapist I still won't say who it is because I'm still afraid although I've now come to the point where I can actually admit that this did happen to me and so it's such a it's a personal experience that's going to be different for every man or woman who's experienced this sort of thing but there and there has been a significant toppling where you've seen it is possible to take down our speak out against somebody as powerful not even is. Jim's toe back but as Harvey Weinstein who it's very difficult for me to think of somebody who was he was as powerful as he was and so this is something that seemed inconceivable for a long time again Harvey Weinstein James Tobak these are sort of stories that have circulated in the industry for a long time but and until there were people willing to come forward on the record they were impossible to tackle Rebecca thank you very much and for bringing clarity to the situation as well thank you Rebecca some of the of the Hollywood Reporter is shocking actually really shocking at least I'm finding them shocking these allegations and imagine that you might be as well do you remember in half an hour's time we'll open up the phone lines for our young people's phone and we hand over control if you like of up all night to young people will be sitting in the CD and telling us what they feel about what older people them or whether they're older people whatever they might of them feel free to join in as well love to hear from you whatever age group you represent give us a call on zero eight zero eight five nine zero nine six nine three when we open up the phone lines just after two o'clock you can text me from now eight five five eight or e-mail up one night B.B.C. Doc or U.K. First let's go to ninety five headlines now with Joan be. Long before anyone else this is B.B.C. Five Live owners of the most polluting cars will have to pay an extra ten pounds to drive in central London from today it will affect vehicles which don't meet certain emissions standards generally those registered before two thousand and six. Police have ended a four hour siege at a bowling alley in the meets and in Warrick share with two hostages who are being held by gunman the suspect has been arrested and two staff members were rescued on an shit. Public Health England says more patients should be told to go home and rest rather than be given antibiotics it says giving out the drugs for coughs and sore throat says creating drug resistant bacteria and a fifth of prescriptions are actually needed it and plans to bring in a minimum price for alcohol in Wales itchy to be announced later the Welsh government says the move could save a life a week and results in fuel hospital admissions. Sports Lewis Hamilton won the US Grand Prix to put himself closer to the Formula One drivers title his closest rival Sebastian Vettel finished second and now trails by sixty six points with three races to go a fourth World Championship crown would make Hamilton the most successful British driver in history growing up seeing the greats. Meet him and and Damon and James and. And Jim and and then to be now be up there with them and with their results it just doesn't feel. I would never do that so we go on oh OK a really hard way Jerry go now it's still real it's a good feeling. A Premier League record attendance of eighty thousand eight hundred twenty seven saw Tottenham sweep Liverpool away four one at Wembley Liverpool manager you're going club called it a disappointing day and frustrating his spurs counterpart Morrissey Opata Tino says they're beginning to enjoy playing at Wembley in the style to be that confidence. We must were talking a lot. For this year. So important to make home feel like home. For us for the rest of the season Everton boss Ronald Koeman says the rumors about his position are normal given their recent string of results losing five two against Arsenal was their third home defeat in a row and it leaves them in the Premier League bottom three it's a really tough time. Not performing well the portion on the table is not the pushin that Everton should be on when everybody knows that B.B.C. Sport understands West Ham will give manager at least two more matches the Hammers have managed just eight points from their first nine league games Meanwhile Harry Redknapp admits he would be interested in succeeding Gordon Strachan and Scotland manager when asked if he fancied it Redknapp replied Of course it must be a fantastic job to have Wasps have ended a run of five defeats after beating Harlequins forty one ten in the European Champions Cup director of rugby Die Young says it was a crucial victory we needed a win however we could see that I thought our last two performances were to step up and what a lot better than the previous performances today I thought differential at the way I don't think we had a lot of possession we should need a lot of territory a little bit careless with the ball again but let it come or a five trillion is obviously really present or something for us to build on elsewhere Exeter one twenty seven twenty four at Montpellier Ulster with Russia forty one seventeen. Ronnie O'Sullivan produced four century breaks on his way to the English Open title and he had some consoling words for Kyron Wilson who he crushed nine frames to two in the final of at Higgins and Hendry do that's me wow you know why I didn't really do a lot wrong I've just been a passenger and that can be hard and if you can be a bit more lies you can sometimes think well you know what I have an impact in any trial be odd and then your power plays a huge sinkhole like can't get worse you know but you have to just suck it up Sergio Garcia won the Masters Golf by one shot from U.S. Loughton and British cyclist to Elena Barker an early Dickinson took gold in the Madison at the European Track Championships in Berlin B.B.C. Five Live Time is running out to enter five lives young Commons it was a year if you know young person aged eleven fifteen he's got what it takes to be a radio comedy star we want to hear from them. Or we have to do is go to to B.B.C. . Case last young commentator. 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Sort of made them feel very at home in a place where that Spurs have struggled but I think this was the one where it turned a corner for them and they're now very convincing challenges to Manchester City I think but yes the flavor of it is very much misery on Merseyside yet is it the way the evolution would be so. Why do it came in if you can put it that way because I'm not sure if there are many people who thought given their reason for that they would say call Arsenal a win whether Well I suppose perhaps they those in the blue jersey smile have thought that this was the kind of game where they could turn things around because Arsenal have been pretty fragile on the road they've certainly building a little bit of momentum themselves but I think Everton felt that perhaps this they get. You know I get a sense meant to be this difficult place to. Quit for they visiting Taman you know there's a fervent say about the fans and it just evident as a entire club they seem to have lost their way at the moment the last direction I mean I think one of the telling ones is that. Tom Davis replaced Ashley Williams at half time that's the ninth time in seventeen matches that run or criminals are to make a change at half time because one of his players or his formation or something isn't working and I think that tells a lot of someone who doesn't really feel as if he even knows his best team or is best for formation. Jordan Pickford was a nice simple. Success. I know it's hard to say when he last fight a that he kept the score down but he certainly did wagering it I did that for some the last season very There wasn't any Absolutely Wayne Rooney showed his class with a great go in the opening minutes but beyond that I think there's really nothing to to lift the never seen fam when I look back in a match like. I can see why you've linked the two clubs together as obvious why religion has the both the beach and they both been beaten in some of the decisive way you know I'm saying they shouldn't be beaten to that extent to Liverpool against good numbers for goodness sake what were they thinking universe drawn Well again. Again it's defensive frailty as this is becoming there or is the recurring theme and. Club season I think we all knew and he knew that he needed to strengthen during the summer he put all his eggs in a basket mac March virginal Vandyke and when that Dale didn't come off he didn't appear to have a plan B. Now hey you know he's a very charming character and perhaps that that. Voiced some of the awkwardness that we get with some managers because he's happy to speak very openly about it but I think the question has to be asked. Such glaring frailty he doesn't seem to be able to address it he keeps saying you know something that we can work on together I believe in these players but time after time and letting him down and particularly on a lover and yesterday yeah in the in that first half and he was actually substituted after half an hour but those first two goals were horrible watching Sam and ask Klopp method you know how he came should never have got the ball for his first goal he was surrounded by lovable players. Care and turf it just lifted the ball over all of them and put it into his power for him to run on to and it was just it's such an obvious weight mess and it does seem that Claflin struggling to address it in any convincing function Jim go there the Daily Express more than a dozen people are thought to have died after two separate explosions in the Nigerian city of money which is the North no group has yet admitted carrying out the attack but there is previously been hit by both the RAM suicide bombers and speech our correspondent in the Nigerian capital Abuja Mukhtar Bauer. What exactly happened at this most apart because it's known of. Hello there ten Actually it was three female suicide attack us who went into the gutter it's calm when I got it. In the May degree I'm scared of the made a great city so one of them did and it had explosives and the instant. After than it people have compounded by the state emergency appeals to have date even though does another. Report say thirteen people are killed and you say the one of the three women we talked about women because we know the burka Rama's used young girls in the past are we talking about adults and you say the one of them detonated the explosives of all three one of them didn't get in until the explosive on the other two one of the other two escaped into the city and the other one fell down she received some shocks. The first attack so she was still laying down when we spoke with the or P. Shells an hour ago she couldn't explode her best eight. And I said that nobody has claimed responsibility is there any other possibility other than Boko Haram given the way that they have attacked the Nigerian state ordinary people in Niger in the past actually a degree city has known to be a poker point of my degree insurgency. And the accuse him peeing pink as likely to be pointing towards its direction no other. Active insurgent organizations. That are there there is active there so it's a point in. Looking at Boko Haram even though. The group did not claim the irresponsibility of this evening attack what's been the reaction amongst people there because as you stated they have suffered the people of my degree have suffered traumatised by Boko Haram in the past although it seems to have gone quiet in recent saw arms on that front I don't know if people were somehow sucked into an area of safety rather than fearing that there might be another attack what's been the reaction tonight to this. I actually uptown after this attack the people are tied into their homes because of the in the area they are there WAS there is still a cop you which is. Working in the area so the people are tied into their homes. This attack the thirteenth five times to. Have lunch into into these when the guards into into the. Bus Station so people. We can see people who are used to these kind of attacks even though this is the most deadly one in recent times moved to thank you very much for talking. With them across one in boojum this catch up now with the week's news from Argentina abuse peeking to the journalists you see I had a talk about the midterm elections that as we've talked before this midterm elections are very very important we're not just electing senators and new legislators there's a big battleground in the province of oneness itis where one of the main candidates for senator is our former popping this President Cristina Fernandez a kitchen or she is running against the candidates of center right government. Which is currently in place so many people see this a psyche test to this government that came to power in twenty fifteen after twelve years of populist presidency by Kitchener and her husband and people see it as a test to see if I've been signs are really willing to continue with this change that might be brought about these economic change social change a more open economy for Argentina or if they are longing to go back to the twelve years of populism that Christina Kitchener represented so it's going to be a key night here many people are watching keeping an eye on the results people here investors abroad a very important night here in Argentina. OK And what the issues are contest about generally. Well the main issues are you know that what's interesting about this election is that it's not. It has I'm being about a key East shoes that you know these legislators are going to push through in Congress it has seemed a lot like a princess a presidential election where the biggest parties are fighting against each other running against each other no matter with a very weak and to seize on the exact legislations that these candidates are going to push through in Congress so again it's been seen as a fight between. Kitchener's more and more populist government a Coast economy a greater emphasis on social issues versus my crease you know more open economy and lower emphasis on social issues which has brought of Chris's criticism to the current government. And so far until now the polls were saying that the government that the current government was going to win by a very low margin but there have been a very few very important news this week that may be affecting the end results. And. Is Santiago molded and why is his name in the news now. Well his name has been in the news for the past two months over oh almost three months and their mother no is an active is that when misson on August first during which it Indigenous community protests in the south of Argentina. His disappearance has raised the outrage of millions of Arjen times because people thought that he was forcefully disappeared by the Border Patrol agents which are directly under the national government of course this has raised a lot of anger in Argentina a country where we had a deadly military dictatorship where thousands of people disappeared. And it has raised a lot of anger because it's been months went by without the government really providing any answers to the whereabouts of son so after seventy eight days of Heene being disappeared these past use they a body was found in a river in the south of Argentina and on Friday he's identity was confirmed by the I was family his brothers. Spoke to the press outside the traditional morgue and this is what he set about to be a lot of the going to want her because they don't want to prevent me from media we're going to ask you to respect our family because we need to be calm we're able to see the body and we're able to recognize we're something I was taught to use so we're convinced that it's something I was body there's still a lot of work ahead we still need to conduct a proper expert report of the autopsy the only thing that has been done to force to present the body we expect the results of the report to come out in a few days along with a D.N.A. Test that would be a definite confirmation of something I was identity none of this new information the scars the border patrol agents were responsible ones for his death to. We're going to continue to investigate until the truth comes out and justice has reached . It's an extremely sad story to say and you have talked about with us before. Is anybody any the wiser as to what exactly happened to Santiago. I know there's a lot of questions remaining to be answered so so far as. Said her mother now isn't Joe's brother said the only we're able to look at the body confirm that it was in the Oh now there have the experts have to do a set of tests to prove how long the body was in the water for if there are any injuries in the body. There of course a lot of different theories a lot of people say that the Border Patrol agents were involved in his murder a lot of other people think that it's weird that after two months. In the same plays in the river the body was found only three hundred meters away from where she was last seen and there have been a lot of searches going through in that area so we both think it's weird that just three days before the election the body all of a sudden appears in an area that has been searched for three or four times already a lot of questions still remain to be answered but this has had a big impact in Argentina. It's and this for these past two months has been as very divisive issue between Again the current government which has and which has been criticised for not reacting properly to the disappearance and the opposition government parties who say that you know criticize the government say that they haven't done enough to look for some of the hour so this is an issue that for sure is going to be is going to affect the results of the election this evening there are so many issues so many scandals the still swirling around the presidency of Christina Kirshner not least there's all sorts of allegations of corruption as you know been through the courts and so on and I hear that the former minister of planning under that government is now to be stripped of their problem in three minutes to corruption charges. Yes he is his name is really real Hugh as the planning minister there. To mandates on her husband one Monday so for twelve years he was a planning minister for Argentina she is currently being investigated in separate corruption cases the most severe one of them is one case called on say where there was a deadly train accident back in two thousand and twelve here in one site is where fifty one people died and almost a hundred will were injured and judges found that the accident happened because there wasn't enough investment in training for structure and then money that was supposed to go into the repair of these trains was being diverted so who is one of the people that's being investigated as one of them guilty people of this case. Right after getting a cue from her and her Monday in two hundred fifteen she was a little legislator which means that he has being given parliamentary immunity what happens in these cases is that even if these people senators or legislators are investigated for corruption cases like this case they can be taken to jail they can be arrested so what has happened this week is that two separate judges investigate in two separate of these corruption cases have said have demanded that they view of the strip from his parliamentary munity So next Tuesday the Chamber of Deputies will vote on this which would send a very very important signal to Argentines because there's an overarching sense that in Argentina corruption cases. Are not properly investigated there's a lot of impunity corrupt politicians are not held accountable so if they actually stripped from his unity that would send a sign that judges are now taking this investigation seriously as you see her you know cause woman. In Argentina in Buenos Ayres or should have said let's catch her mad lines stateside now with Carolyn serving from USA Today Good morning Carol. Good morning how are you today I'm very well are you good so we have breaking news what was the breaking news Justin Timberlake is going to do the halftime at the Super Bowl in Minneapolis this year I love the sound of that he condones among some of things wasn't he on stage when Janet Jackson had that would drive malfunction a few years back yes he certainly was and there's you know Janet Jackson this time . And the drug malfunctions of him no I don't think so because were drugs a mouse function in the way that the saying suggests and it took it which I don't have chums border war wasn't headlines this morning well we have done it you know a lot of extensive reporting on the border while we've done this really big project and and actually filmed all two thousand miles of where this border wall is going to go and we've done a deep dive into the e-mail that went back and forth about Bill getting these six prototypes built and it's just shows a huge amount of confusion and disorder rushing to get this thing built where the request for proposal went out in March just a couple months after President Trump was inaugurated and it just shows that you know companies just had no idea what it was that the government was trying to get them to do so anyway it's a pretty interesting look behind the scenes of the size of this border wall construction it is being built those innocent yeah these prototypes are being built out in California and and that's another problem is you know because California is not exactly. The CAGR feed there is not what the topography is the whole length of the yeah where the ball is going to go and so be the building across Paul California. Yeah that was out in San Diego. OK I didn't realize it was this hotness even hardly Mexico is it you know I mean it's not real Mexico or. No You know they've got some clear land out there they're building these prototypes so that's that's kind of it's a really interesting refined the scenes look at what's going on with this wall and the interesting thing is that part of the US Mexico border with Mexico is a probably trying to keep those American students away from too Ana too wanna say what they can are going to give if I have another incident. Tell me how I could possibly afford not a division she plays well I want to talk to our listeners about that story tonight so that everybody can get their financing lined up because it is going to take north one hundred million dollars to buy Only hundred million Yes So you know all those cab drivers out there need to they were there they're Christians look under their their seats in their cabs the identity had not had Jive is run of the mention the certain company which is north sorts of shenanigans over this side in the U.S. Side as well but so how do we get how do we get to by this division that well it's going on auction by Christie's it's Leonardo Da Vinci's Salvador Mooney and it's a fifty five hundred year old portrait of Jesus Christ that they say seems to radiate from within while displaying a staggering mastery and that every optics and craft And so anyway it's the one that was found in in the U.K. And then it ended up in a yard sale over here and then it was cleaned and then they found that it probably was actually painted over version of a lot Leonardo da Vinci so it has a really interesting prominence and they think that it will probably go for more than one hundred twenty seven million that it sold for last Chrissy's if you do the publishing I mean I think the person from Christie's by just about we go about this in the more they get the advertising in the publishing about this the higher up it goes I think when we spoke last week it was kind of go for about eighty billion dollars and I was. I'm so glad we could help yeah. I said. That's not so pretty good Carolyn so me for doing that great group. Well there's great something wrong lidded skidded in the headlines on I know and I get this story on our list tonight because I know what a big music fan you are that we are hearing about it is all about me you know that I've been listening to Home Alabama and simple man and. You know free bird. Free Bird now. The young said I've got with me this huge I won't have a clue what we're talking about but there you go it's not for them it's grown up music and they're just you know you know. The others tell it they're there marking the fortieth anniversary of the plane crash where several other band members. For the great yeah absolutely thank you very much Carolyn. Of USA today so we're sending over things. Do we owe them anything or do they. Just for news and. For anyone else this is the season it's true Good morning this is. 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U.K. So what is YOUNG Well we've got separate fascinating dedicated and amazing young people here this you want to tell you what it's like from their point of view in the studio as we go. And Suki with us and they like to hear from you on this very question of. Oh who's who. Oh eight zero eight five nine zero nine six nine three we often hear how tough it can be for younger people in the job market getting on the housing ladder for example but older people really younger people anything or do. They. Older people and I'm you know I can't stay out of this one I'm afraid as I say I feel I should say do they owe us or do we owe them I can't help it feel free to join what you both laugh you both love him feel free to join in let me tell you that saucy Makali is a radio presenter for Kiss F.M. That doesn't really do her justice and as I said before she's also been a volunteer since the Grenfell fire as well helping people as much as she can in that respect Suki Willis is an actor and then illustrates she's trying sword Larry Arjun interesting Lee in a fascinating way to try and get into drama school amongst other things and she describes herself now as a consulting creative and she's consulting for us tonight on how younger people think about some of these issues that we're talking about so who knows who is a question do you older people younger people something anything or do younger people older people work I think of a lot of things. I would say to vote to go we gave a lot of us on the leg sorry. Excuse. Well I don't know I didn't choose to people on your kind of thrown into on you. Like banks but I did also for a pleasure really appy that you were born oh yeah definitely but like I shouldn't like. Thanks but I didn't ask for it. But you don't feel that you owe older people something you know we I don't know every single older person might my life specifically my mom and dad like thanks that that was great you did a good job I'm doing well but I think it's just such a big question we kept this world safe for you know where was when we were growing up is it safe now. OK I need to. Wait five nine hundred sixty three some of you of course agree we've Suki there and here's where the Feel free meal in Cumbria says it's not an age thing they say it's very nice it's not an age thing it's always a class thing yeah class struggle you do what you agree I think to a degree yeah yeah so I think realizes. I think you have a benefit from one another's wisdom isn't it so whether or not you fit into a typical class will you know if you don't have friends outside of yourself then how are you going to grow your own person you're going to need to rely on your neighbors and the people around you to do that so there's the what Oing the and is very big is a big word have someone to have but it's loaded but it's you young is that generally accuse older people of. You may not use those words the word intitled millennial comes to mind and try to learn your yeah that well there's been that's been thrown around quite a lot and it's something I've definitely heard maybe not directed at me but definitely in the media that there's a whole kind of stereotype that the younger generation is really entitle they believe that you know the older generation is us everything and I think you know to some degree that may be true but I think also this generation has kind of been forced to I mean say grow up quicker but you know we've been forced to deal with quite a lot of stuff like quote. You know the job market housing market I think also I was saying earlier how social media has played a really big kind of is a really big influence and I think there is great I love social media the idea of having you know everything that humanity knows in the in my pocket is great but it does add complications and it does affect a lot of stuff when you say you had to deal with the job market because you know this. Nearly full employment out there where you don't have problems finding jobs OK they're over with a call of zero hours Joseph never less has a job or jobs or jobs job and every generation has had to challenge itself to find jobs and everything so will you look complaining about. You know if this is a conversation that goes on at the moment in the job market particularly for us young. It seems as though the job market is saturated by people who have been in the job so real and don't necessarily outsource to find other people to join the team that they will source their friends all their friends kids or you know lots of people fall out of uni all finished uni and the job is a ready been set up because they dad works in such and such and that's brilliant you know I mean it's really really good but the job market is difficult to tap into because it's a grind is an absolute zero hours yeah because there's no of hours to be doing anything else you've got to really be any you or if you want to achieve up and up and up the ladder just just explain something to me please if you can Suki is. Seriously suggesting that I should give up my job because I've been sitting here for a few years so that she can do my job is she seriously suggesting that with little hints and groans what she just said that she really need to get up a walk. And anything explicit riya but I think she does have a very really valid point in the sense that there are only so many jobs going around yet so tough. There is so maybe I should leave because they're already said many jobs going around nine lives that people should take your example just in so for example you've seen me and we haven't known each other longer than a you have we really but you so me you reached out to me is that you know why you are doing big things come alongside me and that as well as young people one we want people who all further along their career than on the come along side put your arm around us and say this is what you need to do this is how I'm going to show you the ropes because believe you me no one's really doing that for young people you know so you know it's only Everyone needs a do and by basically Thank you for. That I'm not sure about how you feel. If I didn't obviously this isn't Paul Yeah yeah yeah. Generation a number more my generation I should be for everybody else my generation isn't as as to didn't see the way the US this week too rigid in a rigid. The youngest side on the older side with respect John McCain I just a few thank goodness go tell him please tell can you read the riot act out to the same. OK But one thing that always gets me up my first asinine tonight say when we're not Shakers but twenty thousand pounds already on What About seventy I think or do we call everybody exactly. How much they'll say was twenty five this time he hasn't had a month's rent for two paychecks like is that when it was OK for you and also I'm sorry you have successfully what you may know when everybody my age when you depart house we didn't then already have as people cites me now I've got a customer Milgram for example who said well some can't get on the housing that he's got twenty thousand pound car you know to be well Christian if you do without We had to really take what I mean I remember my marker for not staying infinite so you site up on all sides Western a full time job I used to three months awake and she's. Whitehurst enjoyment of a man's on going to the living room ingredients to Chinese restaurant and then get two or three sleep that's got work again that was that was easy for my you know because it's so easy for a generational thing that you fail if we generation has its problems we had fifteen sixteen percent interest writes the other hand is what shape a believer easy for any generation to I think I have a problem generations problem is we might last so lazy don't know what would but we have everybody comes from hands you have a briefing you know. Boss from spraying the kitchens perestroika running nice cars makes you think but so when you are young your parents bought a kitchen to fish you used to your last bathrooms not your parents didn't have that sort of thing my parents used to taking things to see in a chair when they first got married because they only have one chair but they had each other and they built a half but they really had to struggle and I really had to suffer to do it. Or don't realize that in London if you want to buy houses probably of any young person's real but if you decide we're all different new sound things. You can't you see people the time of people move on a moment when you were young and you see them having to really do with Dale and yet so ask yourself what you want for know this the pay him top of you all that what do you want to really do with him call you on pass so we should do a B.M.W. Which we have with Richard thank you really because I have a lead on this it may use copy and W. Is knowing thing is go ahead but he's got twenty five thousand crank up and that's why he hasn't got half Yeah and I'm going to break down some of the things are you talking about as well because Mom would have made me sleep in that car I had been in my house I want to have him thankfully he's the only guy. I can you know the guy . We live in now that your vote is now Howard covert yet if it were mentioned. If it were why don't you see where Mitch is a thank you Bob my recent Blue Ridge was saying there about his parents. I mean to share a chair probably doesn't mean anything to younger people today because you know chairs you know quit or three quid you couldn't get them from jumbles proper proper furniture you know it was you know it was half a week's wages or whatever for a chair in those days and so the kind of I K A chair or whatever you might get didn't exist so it's a lot to compute what he's trying to say definitely an hour wonder whether or not you know I don't think our generation is very far from that narrative of struggle yet and so you know I mean it's so not all about you heard what Richard said he said initially I mean for you you're not in you can't imagine because this is the life that you know you can't imagine that you're not struggling you know you can't imagine if it compared you know what Richard said was we've made things a little bit too comfortable so your generation now has grown with the creature comforts and expects a certain level of you know attainment saw is that awful or you awful that's a question of this debate isn't it. Eight five nine zero nine six nine three sickie Willis is challenged here I'm not going to. Challenge you is it our fault or the younger generations fault that we have given them or the creature comforts so that now they expect more than we expected when we were growing up that's essentially her question. Oh eight zero eight five nine zero nine six nine three do get in touch because I would like to answer that I would like to answer that but I know you've got to bear arms in the ME I'd love to hear your answer you could text us on a five o five email up for night at B.B.C. Dog. And by the way like so was he said about if I did ask my father that question the Sikh he's asking me I wouldn't be here to tell the tale didn't you just leave it like that. OK let's go to about the e-mails and texts of covering. This is from Chris in Belfast he says I'm trying you know years old and every time the younger generation is mentioned the older generations always harp on about how we. Were winning in fact in the war I didn't quite say that but yeah I know you say now I'm not arguing against that however do they also failed to acknowledge that it was their generation that started the war so really what they're doing is congratulating themselves for cleaning up their own mess. Well. You know. When I think of when I think of this question I actually think of my grandparents I think of my grandparents and I think of the struggles they enjoyed to come over to this country to set up life to bring their children over one by one and you know build life from scratch without Google map so that they didn't know where they will go and they would just land in then they turned up instrument they sell pick up so when I think of my parents and I think of what they have to enjoy That's the conversation that the angle I'm coming there and so definite to riches point I do understand you know there was a there was a lengthy struggle that people had to endure so that my generation when they say I want my kids to have a better life than me and you feel it down and then gets this conversation of well now you're too comfortable you've got to tell you many come in and I'm thinking whoa hold on a minute my you know the aim is why does that then mean I can't buy my house so that my children don't have to have the same struggle that my grandparents went one in for me. And so I suppose that's the angle of which I'm coming to this conversation so. Yeah it's kind of how I how I'm seeing it I mean humans have always just wanted better quality of anything. Faster because fossil Y. Farai you know that's the whole human nature is to grow to get better survival of so that kind of of argument. You know you're now too comfortable it's obsolete I think it's like Bill can't we get even more comfortable Yeah we can we can and this is the tour as well that we were promised that things would get easier and easier and easier and easier and easier for every generation until the robots did all the jobs I think I was going to say I don't think it's the aim to become more comfortable because when I think of comfortable I get really scared and think it's just going to come a group of elitists if you're going to buy out London and I'm going to be pushed to the far end of the corner of wherever and where you comfortable but I think I want to be on the hump when I'm only in my family you know comfortable when I can do the job I want to do them I'm not comfortable when I have to make those sacrifices but you know the Comes out what expense I think Comfort is a really odd. When I think of comfort I think of you know being in bed watching Netflix or having being allowed to you know text my my just like that and that's great and I love that and I think that is brilliant but am I comfortable about my future in living in London know am I comfortable about getting a job no there is a lot of things that I think we as a generation Yeah I'm comfortable with that so you'd like me to be an actor I want to be an actor but I was you were a just you know probably still just by your age I was realizing that I was a rubbish I had wanted to be a knight says agencies and from my generation there were any other options in life the two you know be lucky enough to get into a film was the only way that you'd be on screen or on a television program school as well yeah drama school but still nevertheless even after drama school you'd have to sort of. Struggled to try and get into I think it was still or in company or when it was like that the only ways you could exercise your art for was through the formal prep for the stage television or film now you've got so many other platforms that you could engage in it's quite apart from us you know quite apart from an older actor you personally anything and I know you've been to the British schools and everything but quite apart from know that it's a owing you anything in particular actually you've got all these other avenues that make obsolete any sense of them owing you a role you know or for them to go retire so that you could take over the role or whatever it might be they don't need to O.U. Anything because actually you've got more opportunity of practicing your art from there had I'm not saying that you can immediately make loads of money like you know guys in Hollywood but eventually I think I think you do have a point that you know platforms like You Tube and stuff have have allowed creatives to to put their stuff out that I think more fierce in over the north and you know. In terms of short films and stuff it allows people to literally make a film and just put it out there and see what happens which I think is great but then arguably that comes down to numbers as well there is a lot more people doing that now yeah but then that's not the olders who a career blocking you it's your own contemporaries isn't it yeah but I think I think with acting I don't think there is specifically with acting I'm not too sure there is a thing such as career blocking because there is no way that I'll be able to play you know a sixty year old woman or anything I can I can't get mad. A sixty year old actress for taking my role that's just not but sometimes a six year old actress but actor or maybe there's a thirty year old actor who's acting your age and that is take your work is an essentially they should be choosing you for that row. Maybe I thought maybe better of them a I don't know if it could be a myriad of reasons why they have that role do I think their career may know. But that again not specifically with acting so is he she would say he did that she inadvertently admitted older people might actually be better than younger people in some things I don't think it's a question about being better or not why not well because you know with all the people there are a lot more years that they have better than you know not to or you know you just said well what if you just might be better than me yes you know because she's older than a bit maybe she's got maybe they have they have a look that they're specifically wants to go through maybe it might be experience maturity that Roney it's there is a there is so many things that OK you've argued beyond that we've never said Just suppose that there might be other reasons out of the why just be best for you like or I wouldn't argue that there are a lot of older people who are why would I argue against that like there's older people who are better that than me at. You know do the things because you know that they use their experience in all of that and it's my it's my responsibility to get alongside them and gain income I draw from their wisdom as much as they can draw from the ways in the I have as well and I think that goes hand in hand OK So if older people said better than younger people can I say. Go for OK if you. Voted for essentially better than younger people in everything. The same as no more experience I think that's I think that's where the problem is didn't say that you know you say we're more experience is what you want me to I think they have to have a lot more wisdom than you have a lot to learn I do have a lot time but equally I do think that the auditor all the people can learn from younger people as well but like I taught you how to use an i Phone and. I didn't have to go. Actually. So I saw as I don't know just an essay to dispel the myth of that wisdom comes with age doesn't wisdom comes with experience and because of that reason alone I think people. In the older generation made them on some sort of. You know thing from the younger generation purely because of age and I'm not saying respect respect and wisdom a different in my eyes but wisdom you can learn a lot from a five year old because you know the older you get you lose sight of some of the beautiful things are open minded yeah speak to Philip endeavor then Philip Good morning good morning good morning I don't know whether you're a bad actor or not but. The wonderful radio compound I was thank you very kind of you say something about our children well your two children my first born was it all grow roses. Hospital in the delivery now some in a chair said sit down and you come over the little cellular bank it said there Mr Martin as your bundle of rubbish. I looked to Sheet A blue ribbon maybe should go to fingers and toes and I'm going to tell you something As of today you're going to be broke for the rest of your life. Really should yes of all three and you'll be broke for us your life are true that is. True really it became of a yes as I got through that teenagers they want this and one that goes you say yes to everything as you know in a financial position to do it but. My daughter through university. I helped her with our comp I gave her a chunk of money to buy our comp. But my son is motorbike. Yes but they do appreciate you. Mediately it's. What was the question is do we owe them all do they owe us yes well what do you do or don't the same is all the rest of us we have children we work hard all I like to pay off IMO gets in a happens to them or to us whatever we leave is that help to get them onto the property ladder so they give us help and up housing and to get a house that's what we all do and grandparents do the same is commonly known as the Bank of Mom and Dad and we've all done it and if my daughter for me tomorrow said that. Anation help if I got the money out for Rio de time we all do say that but I'm not. If that means they Austral they gain money from the Bank of Mom and Dad or whether we own them that's why we have to give the money from the bank about my dad which is the way that you full of that divide Well I think the joy of in children we teach them love and consideration we instill a moral compass into those children and I hope it carry on through the rest their days into a teenager's hopefully into adulthood and that makes them a perfectly normal rounded adult we all wish for that that sounds like they tell us sorry that sounds like they. Do indirectly because my daughter said to me dad. Well first of all let me just say I would been a single dad all my life are the children my own because they were babies. Because my wife took off but it was very difficult being out both mom and dad but now they've grown up my daughters got a good job and I'm sure on a good salary. She came in she came out and said that I want to thank you for everything your done for me. And my brother. I said it's OK Most parents would do the same. So I may have. To put up. Whatever whatever. But I was going to say why but I think that aren't stupid our children that sort of I don't like them I think if. I think you make a really interesting point but I think the argument of whether the younger generation is the older generation I think it's slightly different to whether a child. Parent I think that is I think we should definitely make a divide within not I am I or my parent's life I own my parents a roof over my head on they owe you a lot as well yes exactly yes Michel that's an operative everything's collaborative . One thing or making their lives a misery but also. To be the wonderful person to be I consider a lot better there's a. Few Good Men goodness you you're the one I think you sound very like the lady you to a young lady thank you very much you know I mean you know of course you know your mom and dad. Can be just that your you gave them during your childhood Don't forget they got to teach your moral compass I mean you all right so wrong I think a lot of pleasure out of whack. Of course it's when you become an adult you then step back and thank. Well as my daughter said I've got a problem do you know what about my car she got a good job now she's self sufficient it might. But she still come to know she gets mad Kissinger said Dad I love you and I said last lovely I saw I need to know and she thanked me for being aware of a damn. I don't want to go into trouble about it because you know now but you know you can ascribe any way when you're making us all grown now I'm not. Going on one of the hundreds like I said you know I know where I'm one of the women who are single parents but I've got two or three guys from friends of mine. Lost his wife to brain cancer you have to raise children on his own. We're not looking for any violence we just know what we have to do. Yeah Philip thanks for telling us about it I'm sorry they're going to lose you just because you got to go to the news or do want more calls and there's a great call by the way from Philip we've got saucy and Suki here in the studio. The question is do we owe them or do they owe us in terms of generations and rubbing Gloucester's has all these kids talk about you knew you knew you knew you knew you knew you knew uni why don't they want to work to get a proper job or work their way up get married in the sixty's Oh I got married in the sixty's fifty percent mortgage both had to work all the overtime we could we worked hard these kids want everything we didn't even have central heating They want cars T.V.'s ferns fridges freezers computer is what she regimes try living without all this stuff you'd be quids in listen to them we won't we will we won't we won't gree they're all spoiled get out and get a job in earnest when Jinnah worked hard but first let's get the latest five our headlines with Richard Foster. Life pretty easy for anyone to Zip This is B.B.C. 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This i Phone and they did spiral peacenik turning itself and can eventually get longer than a wave believe planets seen Sunday night at eight O B B C one across the U.K. This is B.B.C. Five up all night by all these kids talk about. A uni What are they gonna get a real job we're to do that only words today is T.V. These ferns fridges freezes computers washing machines trying living there all this stuff and ubiquitous in says robot in Gloucestershire for a phone in this morning which is a young up all night phone and we saw him a colleague with us and we've got sick he will is with us as well or in chaptered youngers he can chose what life is like from a younger person's perspective is robbing Gloucester Ladies Is he right when he says oh you know think about U.T. Unity unity unity unity unity unity when you get a root job for change well see getting dirty again you have you got any idea when am I going to jobs that if. They just look it over that. Well we the last discussion we had we're talking about university I. I was very very adamant that I like the idea of uni but the amount of debt that it would cause I can't justify that. I think you know is great but I think we identified that uni doesn't guarantee you a job. But it is quite a valid experience people like good jobs Yeah real jobs real jobs yet you've got you're taking one job away from some other younger person your career blocking another younger person by having two jobs get on your grand bro everyone's got about four jobs that he had Yeah that's that's normal I know if you're not how who has to be your second job yet you chose his his but that was well enough that it is true the argument that the younger generation don't work as hard I think is I want true saunter I've got friends who you know who do. My age are maybe a couple years older they do live in London they rent their own house flat. But they they walk for five jobs and even then they can't afford one so where does this misconception come from. Where does it come from I think that's the older generation that he thought OK well. Good morning. And I. Guess it's me don't you good just me Gigi here want to see he just said she said I needed saw somebody from the older generation with this misconception that younger people and lazy gets in will they think about university and they don't work hard raise a go two or three or four or five jobs is it your fault if you've been spreading all these rumors about younger people than most to be. Any good I think. I think those kids are ordeals really. I don't believe that they always say anything well you really look at what we're looking at what was left of what we left them. Well look at the look at both the way it is now what the mess the will because it's not our fault but it was fault is I don't know can we blame it on pins you know the genesis of the politicians who somebody else and the politicians all of them and I've been the own for for about Crysis should this should exercise a right to it's own it's a gun and was in the world even bigger mess before we came into the Weldon turned into the mess is you know I mean I don't know I don't know. When the last four weeks on. I was just a twinkle in daddy's. I was born forty five. It's true we didn't have much more debt in line with what the band said they were now what they say they have got much we see the same that we didn't have much because when they paved brought up their parents didn't want them to quote to what we what we get it's so. Like all parents to try to furnish them with everything that we need but when the have to go out to the world on a ruling if that they were and can afford to give them everything that they can go eat what not all parents can but they try. If we lose them and. Then practically speaking what do we owe them is a cold hard cash in which case how little OH NO NO NO NO Would we rather than we always am the chance to get into the workplace and I do not agree with the board up if both young get to meet a foot you know what I mean I don't believe that they should stay it work after the sixty five. Rule we collect the pension at the same time. And that does seem to. Make it clear to the pension the same jobs are working right to me however if you paid into private pension that might be OK So your saying that they can be different if you if you would before look. You're giving a chance for Rick job for somebody else now while I'm on top in the idea that when the bands were soft and gentle forward couldn't get it and the older people were saying well we're not going to leave work because we can't afford to what it was one respect I understand that boat you could get would do it for a graduate stage see a young George fern a print to ship the Niko it's a nice reprint to show. The man he says he apprenticeship with shouldn't be just great to see and it's. Oh crud to the worst of the job down till the bank could take it over broccoli Yeah yeah no do you agree with that in Jersey Yeah yeah I think apprenticeships very important especially with. Thinking that it's not just apprenticeships I mean if somebody go to the bank that's coming up to retirement age and they retire the youngest supposedly would take a younger up the cement then took them and then you want to deplete your hours some two of the the Along could get there was the band need to know the thing that I don't agree with or lists. No contracts and so many hours a week it's no good to want to end the forty in weeks week just for two weeks book. You call and deliver on the way that they all. Definitely And hi I'm sorry to hear from me I do want to agree to a point and also I want to say that us youngsters find it very difficult to challenge that. That idea that you have the you know that people should be working and if they if you know they need to move on and they need to get hand over the job but actually it's those people who are alongside the need to challenge that role because if I can't do it then hopefully the people who are sitting alongside them in the same job but the problem is when silence is compliance and people don't do the conversation I should have because I'm not even allowed to enter into the most Asian and things you know for the core what about Will and said about what we would I'm presuming this is. Older people to younger people is the opportunity to work right now that's all we you know we own me because you're looking mysteriously let me think about this from a moment ago you would notice that yeah yeah yeah yeah so you know yeah no I think I think definitely I agree that the older generation. Oh no no no. I think I think. Perhaps. The. Not accepting since like pay patients I think I think understanding empathizing I think that's I think that's the thing at the moment is that there does feel like quite a big divide between the old generation and the younger generation and there's this kind of like we kind of not quite getting we're not quite communicating Yeah no it's not that I'm not that yes that you put your fingertips to govern I totally get it the way that you're doing it now you know we're not quite hitting those fingertips together yeah not joined up thinking we're missing each other's point. Maybe as well but the reason why I'm asking whether it's really the opportunity to work that the older generation the younger generation that might be an argument because you know you see all these people coming out of these migrants risking their lives across the Mediterranean to come to Fortress Europe just for the opportunity to work their own skin for the not asking for you know the opportunity to buy a house that might come as a result of that of course and then asking for any other favors or whatever it might be. If it's just the opportunity to work there are ramifications of that there are serious ramifications because if for example as an in jerseys say that the older people if you like give way to younger people for example I'm not saying that's the only way to give younger people an opportunity to work because she was talking about apprenticeships for a century if the older generation were to give way to younger people to have the opportunity to work you know. That you would then the older. Population older people. A A A huge Oh they have a new you know like. You do what you would is the responsibility to look after them in their dotage which will come from you paying a lot of taxes so that we're well looked after you know I did you know what I mean by that so you might only be earning fifty percent or even less of or taking home fifty percent or even less of war you have just so that we can be well looked after by the health services and so on because you know as we get old you know we start feeling the Exum pains and stuff either and really you should put us up on a really nice residential home for elders in Jamaica. Or any Florida right now no you don't. And I just say that there will be repercussions where that you have. An older and older population sitting around and the budget to look after older people that we pay into as part of a national shortens won't be sufficient to look after those older people you can have to top that are you happy for that you happy in a way we owe you so therefore you're going to owe us once we pay off our debt to you yeah it will come back around when it but I I hope that the older generation don't have this idea that they are going to sit twiddling their thumbs and they retire and because my now and she's about seventy five and she's more mobile than me other than us who've been examined down the way road creek I have a now I'm sit down and make a cup of tea but the point is that she's not saying around you know what you know many said she makes her own service if you go to my nan's how she got someone else but didn't you know I mean no that is a thing. I need to learn her age what is it that you're doing and how can I learn from that but believe me she's not Facebook of me she's not out to connect with family overseas through the younger generation and so it's a double conversation and not one sided I'm not thinking is is what having the conversation over my can have vision as well bucko Good morning good morning to very well thank you and thank you for calling really appreciate the year these in Chaffee joggers have had to see me while away then another way and then claiming that I have them at the end of the day we're just out of this but what I say is what I've got three daughters one has just finished university one has just started a thirteen year old who we were just talking about whether she wants to go to university or not wow congratulations. Others like your previous caller the job I'm on everybody very very hard work as a partner I think said the older young people I think NY day is where we grew up where I'm forty seven twenty thirty years those it was really hard working and by March to now the money is probably for us and. I have to go get a job in the last thirty but. It's even harder for these these kids I want to go to university come Ike good job that isn't getting a mortgage it's harder for them nice so I think going in discouraged going in the university is the way to go to life and society exam because then they got up and down the science easy. Science has us I mean be real now when you say society you meet us and if it's US minus them that means it's the older people who decide see that me the younger people which is what I've been saying. You know I'm not I'll go thank you so no I think that's a sad history to to bring it right to so it has kind of you just have to fight the whole. Yeah turn the same critical Yeah hi Michael. When you say society I think it also you're also talking about these two shoes and using Yeah yeah definitely that's a huge point society needs to really change a few things I mean after all of this stuff that I've seen police and I wasn't even very politically involved but now I have been I've you know institutional racism all the way people view one another and the minute I turn up to the door they they want to see my degree or they don't want to see my degree or you know I greatly and over from because my daughter just lives in averting the recursion on a three year law degree yeah and one of the of our forces there don't want to be a force of which a term is your job but it's really hard for you know to Maine and I should go and work and March for answer and to maintain. Control and never has great adventure want to tell you if you want to Charnock with them on the stand where there's no qualms of a doubt I will say and you'll be assuming that you know me as your woman so I. Think. It's excessive sponsor over thirty years I think you make a really high it Suki I think you make a really really valid point I think also there seems to be this vicious cycle all of. You need experience to get a job where you can't seem to get experience to get a job or government Yeah it's a vicious cycle and people need to get around that how do you get around that vicious cycle. Party you have to hear a lot of volunteering. To learn and whatever for him like a free woman. What. The kids are calling them tend to make young people come out here versus now you can get the drugs in the race or regular guys are going to work for a. Single Market or whatever. She goes or places children until you have done this or that so they're having to go and get things work for nothing I get more for nothing when I left for six days or something is not right it's not right if you are so they're demanding now days and as my job is just as you do I'm not saying it's right it's road to turn to get your point marketed Thanks for the call Bob I've got Jack in Brighton with us as well Jeff good morning. How do you feel I mean you on the side of. A young commentary says in the older generation owe them something oh you come from the other perspective but are going to face about doing something either why. Then a face that I don't know I think they should say and that's about the whole thing about fairness on both sides and I was always saying to the guy on the sign was one things annoys me is how allowed a papal something with a papal milking the property of all. You know as a close second set how does that using it as an investment saying they using it as a pension Paul. Rense Yeah properties and yeah I was here that. With the housing shortage and lack of housing. Like you know just creates problems people finding homes and that sort of thing all increase in rents that sort of think you're taking the conversation somewhere that we need to go and that's a really crucial point Jim I'm I asking you would you consider yourself a younger person now and I would have a right yeah. No no but you still see that it's a problem the older people. Blocking if you like younger people by buying other houses but don't you feel that the younger people if they're in competition with older people in that respect for housing then they're in the best situation because you know they've got youth on their side they can think what the floor with us coming. It depends if I can afford the housing I mean I will say if the prices of gone sky high rents all to buy a property and I can't find jobs to match that of those costs is it cause a problem why should my heart bleed for you really look at these two youngsters in the studio with me once meeting with you know yes I know the did not go there. But one of them's got about twenty a job and the other one's going to make you work hard for a living jerk you should be for them. Now I just don't think it's a fair system the other is efficient or it's not a case of well I believe a more well I just think. That it's a firing government about housing and it causes problems for people you know really why yeah finding housing. Costs is just ridiculous then it just causes problems for the most I have to commute massive distances to get jobs all this or. Why outside where I want to. I'm not just a problem with housing by sea and I think it's not a good thing really and I think. It's just the why you know in racing is a lot of our people saw it so you. Property is an investment thing yeah and parts and brain thing also thing I did don't want to your point is well what really frustrates me is when they don't live in the U.K. That people will buy property you know and then make it and then not even there that they use it as a holiday home and it's like but. Also we need to take a look at the government he's getting rid of affordable housing and making way for new luxury apartments for for the relatives of the people that live is not relative for the people that's living that I think we have to have to take a really long hard look at what the government is kind of doing because we're not in that conversation then perhaps the older generations are wondering if they could just help us on that NO NO NO NO NO. And Jack and thanks for the call your you put forth a very fair point Dan thank you I think you're very fair the way that you described it as well we'll come back to this in just a second you know just bear with me I do want to tell people about this email that I've got from Chris is a Ph D. Student researching youth unemployment Chris says simply speaking baby boomers have the highest income life expectancy quality of life and social net assets of any generation he when history those of those born in the nineteenth sixty's however large numbers of this group have pulled the ladder up behind them is Kris's words through their voting habits and inadvertently harmed the future of future and current generation no one knows anything but the youth need care and respect I'm thirty two years old and things haven't been easy for me but I'm generally conservative feature of our young people go another half an hour this phoning to go love to hear your thoughts on this not least on that which I think just. Manages to capture much of what we talked about in a nutshell the bring of the factors that contribute to this conversation into play we'll talk. About housing in. 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The Flint savage speed punk I guess I was the first to take on board so you think that really I mean there was. No need to put the cattle on it's. Not like the. Costs I don't do these things for awards. This is you know you should stop now yeah I don't do that for awards either I do them for the pleasure of having a conversation with listeners and so that's why we invite you to join us for our phone in and this warning it's a young couple not voting so we've got saws even County we've got Sukie Willis in the studio who are our intrepid in amazing younger people who is showing us what life is like from a young person is what we love you know that you know I was coughing because in Syria you're amazing you're married you're both amazing and you're showing us what life is like from a young person's perspective particularly on the issues of you know who knows who which is a topic on this morning's conversation so you've got about another twenty four minutes to speak to either of them on this topic and I've learned was the news was on and Joe policies I was listening to the news bulletin as best as I could but then I was learning about younger people as one apart if you're a younger person nowadays you're either an activist a deejay or a very good pick one. Or You or three you know and you. Know you can do a triple threat Yeah I don't know if it's in that order. I do know this Ickes are very good. And I do know this was he's an activist. Sometimes and secretly I'm a D.J. I'm going to set me up and I'm afraid is that I don't qualify as. A Probably less is with us good morning. Morning though I I I. On the line of a sudden being on the radio debate before so bear with me. I was just trying to trying to cover the points has been talked about already and a few letters No I don't think young people anything at all I think we chose to have children to enhance our knowledge and it was our decision to not start with. The one I wish it was easier to get into the housing market. Now for my son it's been very hard my daughter called into the housing market can seize pay an extortionate rent Nikon's food to help her out mobile is so detached and. It was easy to get were when I was young without any qualifications I started work without my G.C.S.E. Going to show you what to do in office ninety five and it wasn't any harder work than than it is now. In addition to that I think that a lot of older people are buying second third houses on those if you charge an extortionate rent so I think the previous caller went through that and I think it's making a very hard for the young people to get into the housing market to be go to university now my son went to university but that was in the eye to ninety S. Or a nine to his parents were heavily encouraged that time to send their children to university it was almost a status symbol if the child went to university for the parent. So I think you know them I so much love for the deaf to reply which he reminds me of. So I think we are hearing people some form of affordable housing so that they can get the housing market I think we ought to shut up about the university issue together . Because I think partly responsible for that and yeah I think you know. I think the lady really was right in that you know we need to mend our young people in the price as well and regarding you know the issues that they have a lick of that life well unfortunately it's not a photo to pay for but they do need to buy technology to even get by get a job whatever these days so I don't think they really have a choice. And that's my opinion that Hyperloop see here I just want to say that you make really really valid points very articulate you had no reason to be nervous whatsoever Thank you no problem I said something earlier on in your point about the younger generation not know all skewing to to be born in me and look to each other because we were hoping are we are about about that. Was we were kind of debating whether we had would be agreed completely on everything and she mentioned that I said something earlier on in the show that I didn't I didn't ask to be born and she she she had an opposing view and said that she's never She's never viewed it like that. You know that those around when it's when we run. We chose to have children because it would be which says they want to have children and children are blessed in that I love greit bringing children up. And so I have to say well you know I was saying for that and I think a lot of parents as well pray by the children because money for this which I haven't been able to do fortunately but I've stated them when I think like a big kick out of it's like look at Big Daddy Barney were these they're your mother like so I think is it to a person. She was he would do so was he to make his work and stay with. As a fool if you know one from a saucy Well both April and seeing green on the is that. Parents have children for their own self satisfaction and you know rather than you had a slightly different view from seeking on this I've just never entered my thought process to every ten round to my mom and say well I did not see people and I would get such a licking for getting them all same I didn't really do but you know in response that was when I think of oh I think of all the wonderful things that my mom has taught me and done for me that you know in her in her when she grows old I'll be there to look after I'm not going to put her in a home I'm going to take her in and I'm going to love her and I'm going to you know the idea of even homes to me is very strange and when I think of owing our parents it's because of the love that you've given to me that I would unconditionally give back to my parents you want to because like you said you've raised me you've you've given birth to me because you feel life so I suspect and I can only hope that I would satisfy your life by being your child is it possible that we each other the parents children. Really depended upon us to see how you. Shut Yeah you got a lot of satisfaction from each show and now I do for my children and all this and it's great so I said to you I posted. That we both each other. Neither of us other anything I don't like to think we don't live in a world where we. Do you know I think I will so I just think it it's about the show in showing me to conduct love to start showing roles in such a cause that I really think anybody who's anybody anything the end of the day. It's not about it's about but you know children. Being born out of a thing a question you know I don't know what I love. I don't say I love them but it looks great when I speak to my children which that's less like but I don't expect. Every thank you for the Cole every lesser there and I just wanted to do some instance was whether it's a cultural thing because you mentioned a couple of things first of all you couldn't possibly have said See your parents. I didn't know more than the way the key he said. Had like you I couldn't have said. This and also you said that again in a cultural way if you don't necessarily come from or your heritage is not necessarily places you might think it's a bit strange the idea of putting your parents you know home yeah and I generally always thought that because you know for Nigeria nobody's even heard of. The home in my home state home and when my grandfather in the early seventy's suffered a stroke lived the rest of his life in the house father now has suffered a stroke and he's in the house but I know if it wasn't for his misses it would be very difficult for me and my brothers to look after him in a kind of a cultural context that we find ourselves in yeah in Britain it would be I hate to say I mean it really is something and that's them it's a means to send extent but nevertheless I think Whoa probably be easier. For all concerned maybe selfishly or otherwise and this is going back to who owes work to who. Are probably easier to put him in a home and I hate to say that yeah I generally hate to say that but I think sometimes you know yeah but for the grace of God are culturally Yeah when I think and I don't think he mean in this way to I know you mean he's so easy. He. That's when sacrificial love comes in that's when you know you clean my bum as a baby for how many times we'll have to return the same treatment to you in love there may come a time where an older person in my family just cannot do for themselves and will need the help of someone like me to come alongside them in that way and so the idea of a home to me it's as though you've given that responsibility over to a stranger and and that I may not always have the capacity to love because they're not their own family member or have that same affection and so I don't you know I'm it's sacrificial love isn't the end it's the willingness to give up your own privileges or the own comfort that you have to love others the same way parents of love I don't. See your point I think you make a valid point but I really don't think there is anything wrong with with admitting that sometimes you just can't cope and you know for whatever reason that there can be so many reasons that you know it's not for the best that that they live with you and they have a better quality of life when they are with someone who can offer around the clock back yeah and I don't disagree with that but I think that. Very often in the conversation right first up there with a cause you go into any other coaches apart from a lot of British culture monies and you find a generational divide in that house you find babies all the way up nurture a great grandparents and that's normal that's normal for all cultures normal for a lot of coaches but the idea in the concept of a high me of course you probably receive a little gray is a poor and and quality of life but I think you can also find that very much in the family you know as well well representative of your generation guys is Jack good morning Jack blowing my speech Oh yes it's a pleasure it's a real pleasure twenty one years old a regular Thank you yeah. Obviously from your point of view. Yeah I think we do I think it was basically that the baby boomer generation after the Second World War kind of screwed everything up. I mean basically you know they were given into the hands of the best economy ever post-war been fantastic and then they voted in load of policies where they got free everything pretty much a free university you know how's it you know twenty thousand pounds like you know you get on a normal salary and then you know they voted in all the policies or die Gerri think led to massive spiraling debt in the country. And especially you know. More. Open door immigration and it seems to be it seems to me that they've sort of taken what was sort of in the fifty's and sixty's sort of preening economy healthy society and they've just sort of. Done what they want to do it and I was like Great Oh and guess what now you're going to have to work until you're eighty five to pay off all our pensions you know we want well then we'll. Well yeah Yeah exactly yeah we'll be working until basically until our fingers fall off our. Whole You lot can live in the lap of luxury. High Itsuki I think I think you make a really interesting point. I was actually debating this with my mom your exact point I said pretty much the exact same thing. And she pointed out quite an interesting way to look at it is in the sense that. We owe it to the older generation in in like in the sense of you know living in Britain we have a certain level of privilege in the sense that we have freedom of speech there are certain laws that you get that that mean equality is you know law. If you look at other countries you know they don't have. I think in that sense like of course I. The older generation whatever we are defining a generation as I owed them that I can walk down the street holding my girlfriend's hand I can you know I can. Openly openly talk about being queer on the radio you know there's so many things that we owe the older generation for have your specific specific point about. Baby Boom and kind of messing everything up I really do kind of resonate with that. Message everything oh. Well I think you know the point is that he said a very valid Yeah but we've messed everything up because we have a booming economy so you reckon you can do better well again this is this is a this is a point that I think is relevant is that if you look at the politicians I don't see a lot of. Under thirty's I don't see a lot of under thirty five's I don't see a lot of young. You know young people representing the younger generation. Coming from an older generations perspective. And obviously that. Affects a lot of stuff and I think I think the younger generation isn't connecting with that so you could do a better job. Thought well I probably could be a bad job. Just because like you know we've kind of all seen. The results of these generally disastrous policies I mean the Certainly. The Probably the. Worst thing those kind of institutes around that time probably bought by the government and voted in was impatient introduction of tower blocks which basically stripped away you know communities from living in living in streets and houses and having a sense of community just making everyone sort of numbers basically I think the destruction of society as a cohesive. And I think heightened individualistic and sort of I guess kind of bought in from America the Americans both over like you know the whole individualistic. Full on just always worshipping like Coca-Cola kind of thing. That the whole spiritual moral basis aside to just go on and been since and second of all really you know there are no hardship any of us should Jamesian any more than it was go wrong with you not going to have this is Duncan he said it says He says it's trendy now to blame people for things off to Bragg's it's no surprise the B.B.C. Is on the case friends of really old people who are to blame for the banking crisis. Or the lack of housebuilding this constant blame game is so depressing the older generation helped build the modern world well know what you want from us we help build everything you go the take for granted now now is a point the secure is making a moment ago about all the ways a society has changed and the ability to be who you are as you are without any prejudice whatsoever we help build that you know because I know you're also doing that we're doing that right now you don't need any for us so you know it in for us and we did it for you but you know delivering it for our children it comes back to the whole idea of me not to have Russian support I mean you owe us because we made it a better world for you to be able to express yourself you know doing it for us and what we don't specifically like from start looking older people for one thing it will be a straw that will happen when when the older generation stops knocking the younger generation I think it's a two way street we're not knocking you but you say you pull up your boot straps everybody said that from generation to generation one of those boot strap that's always saying well it was a big deal about now you feel that straps you know on their shoulders because they're having I think the conversation of young people not doing anything whatsoever is to say that you said your piece traps implies they are not already doing yeah I'm just saying that you could do better you could do a deal but. Really they don't see jailbird So the way they Lindsay's illness no Many of us did woman so good young people if you're listening kiddo achy when you. Hear how you did what he was. Doing what you're doing. So you're trying to get a comment coming. You know then we have lost him Oh no I mean I go yeah yeah yeah I think about to come up with something. Yeah no I was going to say that I actually are going to say not all people will kiss the last guy that's texting and I actually voted for practice it. Myself and I see that the problem is if I bring the older generation for creating my generation and leading to. Generally Well there are a lot of things that we definitely. Have generally about like housing. Lack of jobs and this than the other but there is also holds this tendency in my generation to also like there is still some buy in on us as well but not you know trying to you know I think that that we some people who don't make as much as they could even though it's still hard and always while they see sort of the blockages they then just give up completely and even try yeah. Yeah that's right and it's like I feel like I'm old but I'm stuck in a younger generation what I'm complaining about. I love it when younger people feel like I'm old well we feel even more like when you drive in freely the way that we feel your bones. Feel like your old Jack honestly generally Thank you appreciate it Mark Mark Mark in Baton Bruno see she's seventy three years old lifelong Coventry City fan says it's easy now to get Angie diversity than it was in the old days and will come back to that in just a moment. With us tomorrow for Good morning. Hi Hi yeah hello it is indeed and it's eighty and Swasey is well with this high how LOW Well I'm staying in Ireland and I'm quiet all I'm safe to say and I think to work. For a lawyer I've been deadlocked because of course I. Start off trying to limit to R M E You know all that really really was where did you start of trying to learn to work oh I worked from I was the way I grew up in the head tail. And then I started doing a plane ships and stuff. Like the corporator and the bike and stuff Isabella US consumers is the same thing here I just want to know who are they can also try to do anything to get advice oh get a house and save every penny that comes my way really honestly once I've paid my rent once I've paid my travel. Everything literally everything else because you know you're constantly feeling you may never ever have enough to buy a house how much you spend to get your head on a dime spent to get my head down there and if you see my hand my right hand the my I'D LIKE the reason is because my stepson I said see him you go save every single penny you go to get deposit to buy a house you go start eating ordering pizza. Every pair of sherry you know pair Bubba's Clippers yes so they said no I can't do that sorry I'm tired Rocky because I stay and I want. Oh he had. Yeah yeah you can have you here anyhow you want it when you. Play by low as the sea but with the artistic thing to see but I guess I was very lucky because my dad was quick now. I work from there. I don't get any better there's a powerful No the expansion. And I'm sorry if you feel sad over there are no no no the defense had by just saying you know old sixty says Go give the rest of us a chance to get over didn't is right now does sixty six. He just feel that way the older people are talking really thinking only on money away and I don't know do we it's look I think that except that to be fair to them I think they accept that they just like. The Jamaican say let's off some you know which means you know give us a break man give us some money just give us some not everything let off some and we sometimes a treatment will get it soon I think we'll get I would love to see a little get over just north to the why don't you just keep good knowing Yeah so that the end of it or when they're all fully there is and hopefully you'll get your own home by the time your last. One can dream Isabel thanks very much let me read out this email because it is a good one it should be from from my cuz I said long time lifelong Coventry City found him bambinos he's a seventy three he says it was much easier it's much easier to get into university now than in the past despite the high fees I went to uni ninety sixty three one hundred percent full percent of us eighty year olds Wendy's higher education now it's around fifty percent you know. Of eighty year olds that go to university so much easier to get into uni now virtually no mature students I over twenty one were university nine hundred sixty three and now many unis admit more mature students than they do under twenty one's three course of uni she does will never pay back for use on loans I remember sure about three courses but never less unemployment rates now than ever before so much easier to get a job nice as you have a well paid as the case may be dogging housing the biggest mortgage I could get was seventy five percent sad to say massive deposit interest rates on mortgages hit twenty four percent yes twenty four percent in my day baby boomers by the way are people born between nine forty five not sixty not people born the night since a job see right apologies if I gave that wrong impression OK things are easier for you lot now are you going to accept it or not that you owe us or not could be run of this conversation by calling some of the trees by you just accepting the fact that you. You owe us pay pay. Pay what you think. We owe you if you come alongside us yeah I think that's a nice way to round out the idea that the two of us need one another and of course you have all my respect as my holders of course you do and by always I need you around my shoulder suspect your elders Yeah I suspect you're. Somehow as as eloquent as they are in rounding up this conversation I feel that we have lost. I certainly couldn't Is there some how they've said the right words but I don't feel as if we've got the right do you guys like a break think isn't every thanks very much as well as in Makati and also thank you very much in sync with us as well thanks for all your calls and texts and emails sorry I couldn't get through them all we're going to gain part helping in a moment or two but first let's get the latest B.B.C. Radio five headlines and his Joe homey. Premier League for anyone this is B.B.C. Five Live. 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Will be afraid of that which will keep order helping of course board calls during peak Norton is here as ever to talk us through some of the best ways to listen to old or some of the best or here to listen to is a pretty good morning good morning it does now I am very well for sure but I was looking at the world of science so the best sort of. Ad hoc programs you could describe. Cos I was on Science this week I don't program presidents have in I would as a description of a podcast would go for downloadable programs downloadable OK so that so that's kind of the one of the defining features of course is that you can download it and listen to it online download it onto your computer and your phone or something like that on Tuesday most most commonly now into your smartphone or tablet but on to your computers and of course you don't need to download them either do you because you can listen to them as a kind of a stream and don't podcast Remember what they do now yes in the beginning they were much more common that you downloaded them to computer than across when i Pod But now you can stream them just as easily Yeah you can on i Player radio yeah it's show Radio Lab is the first science podcast you want to talk about what is it yes so this is a really long running show started in two thousand and two which is that predates podcasting It began on the radio on W. N.Y.C. Which is a great public radio station in New York and it's a collaboration between a guy who's trained as a music composer and then became a radio producer called Chat up Adam rad and a veteran. Reports journalists a couple question is cool Robert Krulwich And they sort of came together and so it's telling scientific stories and investigations but with a really inventive Sonic and sort of a new a new approach to using ambient music in sound effects and just making the whole listening experience a bit more cinematic while they're in a nonfiction context and they're kind of the mosses it is they've been doing it you know be doing this for fifteen years now is hugely influential in their kind of some of the best in the business at this sort of colored documentary I'm sorry we got a clip here from a recent episode which aired just the day off to the solar eclipse in USA Hey I'm traveling Ron I remember Croesus Radio Lab There is so these last few weeks on planet earth in this corner of planet Earth been a little confusing little crazy but then there was yesterday that. We all got a reprieve from school chance to look up looking down when you look up in the sun a couple hundred people sent us recordings from all over the place some in Greeley Colorado hello in Georgia have Nashville Tennessee Kenmore Washington Carbondale sent us recordings of themselves watching the moon pass right from the start of the . Dust the moon in front of the sun rose. For it was the route through song the. Audience as. Only. That it was to say you hear these recordings and you can't help but think. We're going to. See the work. In honor of this celestial miracle. Today we're going to keep looking up. But not in the direction of the sun you know when you look up at the sun you have to put on these glasses to to protect yourself from the sunshine the sunshine is very powerful and it stretches across vast vast vast vast distances in space but we're going to do it the answer was we're going to leave the sunshine behind we're actually going to escape the sunshine where humans have never been before Chile amazing you know. Probably and I've never heard the clips captured in such and adding Matic joyful and dramatic and very accurate way that's what is the reaction of real people to yeah solar eclipse and yet there's even there's even more of that in the full episode you get some you know people kind of bursting into tears while they're watching it and yet it's not you know in real time it has been quote unquote doctored as a as a radio clip or as an old joke with music inserted and with you know clips brought together as it were and I think the reason why this works is because you've got both a radio producer I know you said composer radio producer producer is a radio producers and show in the one hand. And also a news reporter because that was a news story was an essentially. They have this kind of approach to it where they sort of have a conversation about something which they say is I think it's is the result of a lot of research and preparation it's not it's not quite off the cuff as it sounds but. There's something rather lovely about that and you feel like you're being taken on an honest of an intellectual adventure with the two presenters in Egypt nature edition they've got they've got a staff of kind of you know over a dozen people that work on the show so it's highly resources a lot of professionalism that goes into this that figures out how did they fund it you know. I think they're funded in part by so syndication of course of bunch of different public radio stations they also are do have listeners support kind of yearly funding pledge stuff as as many American where your programs and radio stations do but I don't think I don't these guys are in any trouble they're kind of one of the big fish of American nonfiction radio alongside This American Life digi ball slightly when I said the word doctored. Well I don't know that's. Call it docked exuding is pretty fair widely accepted that you know these programs are edited and you know necessarily to make a story condensed into half an hour you're going to have to do quite quite a bit of things but the point I don't even think he will kind of he's a show of being I know some people don't like the fact that this show has a kind of a cinematic ambience to it and a more dry Radio four type documentary where it's just the tape and no no no it means there are no sound or just the vox pops in this case yet of people talking the reason why I made. Brought in that phrase was because I was trying to say look this is actually really accurate human natural response to an eclipse I haven't heard it so accurately drawn before and then you think well angle it's not accurate quite because there are probably some out takes that would reveal you know not as dramatic human responses to it and yet you have to edit it to make it sound like that sounded it sounded natural It sounded dry but you know with my radio on and it's not quite the way it was that's not real time is known as oh yeah OK let's talk about the naked scientists our own naked scientists which slide off of this very program indeed this is scientists from Cambridge University. And you've been listening to their podcast. Yes So these are the naked scientists they've they've sort of came with a website to start the show in two thousand and one but I would place it before but costing even began expose me to two thousand and four anyway they've been doing it for an awful long time between the program so the or the insert within op or not it's two thousand and one that is accurate is that right OK yeah yeah and then. It's now this is now in five live as well in five am on Sunday mornings as five Live Science but basically it's it's led by Cambridge University scientists I think it began as a side project and now it has its own life and then they have a staff working on this and each episode they have they go through the science news it's kind of a magazine programs of Science News the interviews that have often listeners submitted questions that some of their scientists will answer and she's quite. Reliably interesting very well informed and I always like it is British and so many of the kind of the poor costs that the King book costs are American so it's always good have a great show and I think we got a clip from one of the latest question of the week they have. Hello and welcome question of the week with me. This week we have been buzzing about this question from John we know that flies process movement much quicker than humans which is why it's really hard to see but is it true that if you move slow enough and the fly will not register the movement and therefore you can actually get it. So without winning an answer to this one ourselves we put it to our listeners and Ian from Melbourne Australia has discovered that confusing the fly with a clap of the hands makes the job easier but what does our expert think here is animal vision specialist Kate Ferrer from the University of Cambridge after discussing this question with several researchers at an animal Vision conference in Finland literally as naked scientists in the sound of we all agree yes this is possible because fine motion vision is processed very fast you can theoretically trick the fly by just moving very slowly how fast the edges of your hand expand relative to the Flies vision is what triggers it to flee so a slow hand could confuse the fly however because the fly motion vision is so sensitive you would have to move so slowly that either you get bored and give up or the fly just takes off because you know flies don't stand one place for very long some alternative methods are to hold perfectly still and watch the fly until it starts washing itself then strike quickly while it's distracted just like jump in the shower. You can also approach the fly at a normal speed and instead of slapping it clap your hands just above the flight intercepted as it takes off yeah that is an up or not original right there you know the naked sides of it we can claim that one sounds as crisp ever sounded. That many of us will associate it with thoughts of Chris Smith of course from Cambridge University but that was a question of the week of the some bizarre reason we seem to be in America of the question of the week as well that's a good taste of it that's a good piece of it yeah it's going to be very strong on the scientific method those guys and it's always like I say it's always going to cause an epiphany interesting to keep you keep you listening and I think that's I think the name they can science is comes from the days when you might remember when. Jamie was his name The chef came on to the Naked Chef Jamie Oliver they actually Oliver and everyone was being naked their executive those days I think it was around that time they're not really naked when they do it trust me anyway let's talk about Chabad or should I say Chabad. Exclamation point yes so this is produced by a collective American. Medics scientists and radio produces and they're. Really impressed by their work they called the collective. They also make it a medicine theme shekel this one bit but. Aimed at getting children interested in science and it does that by an interesting ruse which is that instead of just presenting kind of facts and information this this book has a narrative to it so it's it follows a group of children who are involved in a zombie outbreak and through their story it tells us their story to eliminate various different scientific. Kind of issues so they look at. Break out because the zombie attack happens to an epidemic of something called the Knox virus but it could physiology through bodies they look at the need for water because the children at one point run out of water so it's quite an interesting thing and it keeps just keeps you on your toes a bit more than you know perspective more than your standard science show might So I think we got a clip there from from the first episode which gives you a sense of the. This is Mel's brain what well just go with it we're going back in time to when you were a fetus OK Mel is still in his mother's womb but his brain is growing at a ridiculous rate every minute his tiny little brain you need to be insulting is growing brain cells called you're on your own it's two hundred fifty thousand of them every minute. And they'll keep growing at this rate and then Mel's going to. Zero right now he's starting with one hundred billion brains there are as many neurons in mills baby brain as stars in the Milky Way galaxy. It's full of stars but here's the catch only a fraction of these neurons are connected to each other what's the point then it might help if we could picture what neurons actually look like OK what to do at the dock to take over here oh yeah I forgot to mention males an E.R. Doctor well not baby male but actual grown up MALE Yeah this is very complicated it's highly technical so pay attention on your own as a cell the basically looks like an envelope with branches sticking out of it that's not that cause branches send out signals little messages well until they find other branches to other neurons to receive those signals so hell hole A.O.L. Or. What is it messages are missing can then have a connection is formed and the brain uses those neurons like a little network to figure things out so when we are born the majority of our brain cells are just sitting there not talking to each other just sort of sitting there anybody so Mal How is your little baby brain going to start making connections well my little baby brain is born with a special tools to help me sort of input all this information not it's cold now five senses and so our son. Kept saying it's rid of this fear this well it flows this it makes that sound it's a broken. That's right it's a pair. That is very clever that is very professional very slick Dr Seuss would have been proud of that yeah yeah for sure I mean I think their production values really are kind of you know they take a leaf out of the Radio Lab but they really you know you can tell how much how much painstaking work is going into every ten seconds of the you exactly those must be real actors on that. They are but. Certainly the Australian chap is a definite N.E.R. Doctor because he appears in one of their other Paul Courson he's a you know he's a highly qualified emergency physician. So what Asacol to talented OK What about a sixty second science sixty second science yes so I threw this one it is quite nice to have you know something this digestible in just a brief moment the sixty second science there are actually more like two or three minutes these episodes so slight fake news alert there this is from Scientific American who I think claim to be the oldest continuously published monthly magazine in the United States for any one fact watching out there but it's a series of short little one story episodes so. He takes something a recent piece of science news and just explain it in a kind of brief and interesting way so they've had recently about the fact that the jellyfish seem to need to take naps all rests they did they had an episode about the recent Nobel Prize in Physics for the chaps who discovered. Detected gravitational waves and I think we've got a clip here from an episode about. Microbes and their journey to Mars. This is Scientific American sixty second science I'm Christopher and. Humid bathroom is the perfect habitat for mold but there are ways to avoid it can't just open the window and let some fresh air in not so easy on a space station though as astrobiologist Petrus when are of the University of Edinburgh explains it has been seen on the international space station or on them here that these microorganisms can accumulate I've seen pictures but you could see this corrosion caused by bacteria or basically and I cumulation of fungus behind the towers so as we set our sights on Mars what might grow in the spacecraft essentially a human scale petri dish during the year and a half long flight. The Mars five hundred habitat in Moscow simulated that trip with six crew members confined inside and when her and her team tested microbial samples of the habitat over time they found what you might expect a lot of human related bacteria and fungi mostly levels deemed safe for life in space but they also noticed a decline in microbial diversity over time which could indicate a less than healthy microbial community that's potentially more prone to takeover by hostile bacteria crease basically fluorescent important point or prove that continuous money touring East an important fact and is really required to basically maintain or being able to maintain a healthy environment the studies in the journal microbiome when we do rocket to the red planet it will be impossible to keep our spacecraft completely sterile because humans are leaky animals the real question now might be how will keep our many microbes from colonizing Mars. Very interesting. And we have still got time for one more the story Collider where does that say because this is there are a lot of them put costs in this true stories. Which is where people go up on stage and tell some anecdotes revealing about their life and two people from New York having a major bunch of these sort of true story readings he said they said that they could bring a similar aesthetic to the scientific sort of the genre so each episode has I think two. People telling a story that relates broadly to science I'm in front of an audience and it's just quite interesting because you get more anecdotal side to the the idea of science you know people talking about their first experience in a lab or when something exploded or. How they how they decided to become a scientist and it's just quite a nice bit more of a sort of approach to scientific discussion. So at the time for a clip I did have a clip. So I became a particle physicist because I needed a job I was a work study student and had to work ten hours a week and used to pay tuition piece of my tuition paper books phone bills in those days back in those days for for college students we had one phone was plugged into the wall and you had to hover over it if you wanted to talk into it they made us pay for this indignity there were a number of things that I had to pay for so I needed a job and when I started out in school I went to work at the library they're always hiring at the library but in my sophomore year it occurred to me I could do something that's tied to maybe a future career maybe I could try physics research and I have to confess I didn't I wasn't too excited about the idea of it I didn't know what research was when I pictured it I pictured like basements and white lab coats and safety glasses and people measuring with a paranoia and an amazing attention to detail everything that I do I must write down perfectly and catalogue and it just sounded kind of terrible but I love my physics classes and I wanted to give it a try. So there was one physics professor who was hiring her name is Melissa Franklin she was the first particle physicist for the first woman to get tenure in the Harvard physics department doing particle physics She had two openings in her lab zero prerequisites to upgrade a particle physics detector she was looking for undergraduate grunt labor so I contacted her and I got an interview I was very nervous I remember walking into her office and she was over on the couch changing her infant son's diaper. And she only briefly looked up at me and looked right back at her son and said she's not wearing any socks that's weird. The story collided which runs up all the old cause that you'll suggesting for us this morning pee. New maids to decide which of these great pieces of Odeo we favor you and I and I've got a confession to make I've only just really thought signs we should be judging them should be not on how much signs they are to us whereas I just mean thinking of how entertaining they were. Was as a good point that's kind of how I come to these shows as well as I'm a move in the humanities stable myself so I'm going stained Yeah of course I. Was saying Well most people probably listening to both cause of thinking they're not necessarily science geeks is just there people who try to find a way into the subject or just care about the subject from a slight distance in which case which is a one for you tonight I'm going for Radio Labs and get a cheap place those things make it informs and entertains in equal measure I would have go for radio then I heard. Very good Jim I'm going to be the place that. Maybe his recruits is for kids like me to educate kids like me about science so they know it was hope well drug use the word yes I'd like to hear move or I didn't say six years well I work only for these part because pages are my list any podcast app on a smartphone or just you just Google Earth search the name of the book also almost certainly the first that will be the website but that's because it was Radio Lab they could scientists ship back sixty seconds scientists and finally this story Collider big thanks very much thanks a million fast for news I'm feeling a little more than anyone else this is the same if it's folklore Good morning this is our own for our blog Dr Dawson added by the main news on five life the most policing cars now face high in London congestion charges and installed Lewis Hamilton wins the US Grand Prix but will have to wait to claim his fourth Well I think this is B.B.C. Five with the B.B.C. . 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And man has been arrested by armed police who stormed a bowling alley in the niece and where two members of staff were being held hostage at gunpoint the four hour siege at the big media park retail complex wasn't related to terrorism our reporter David Crabtree has more families literally had to run for cover they fled the building people tried to make a survival plan as they were locked into some of those adjacent buildings we heard clearly had a number of loud bangs and then police rushed in the two people were released totally on Homs the suspect himself has been arrested in the ambulance service tellers he was taken to hospital Public Health England is starting a major campaign to tackle drug resistant superbugs Health officials think around a fifth of prescriptions for antibiotics are unnecessary and many people would benefit from resting at home instead. Supporters of a Scottish man he's been sentenced to three months in prison in Dubai say his lawyers will appeal against the verdicts Jamie Horan He's twenty seven from Sterling was charged after touching a man's hip in a bar rather has Sterling is from the campaign group detained in Dubai you can't believe that the the jargon that the prosecutors want you know someone saying his witness because he has several witnesses who would willingly speak and attest to his innocence to these charges and they include people that he didn't even know and people who worked at the bar who are willing to give statements so his defense evidence just hasn't even been heard a man has been chance with the murder of an eighty year old woman in Liverpool the body of Terri's a Wishart was found at her home in Kirby on Thursday Chel Stapleton who's fifty Walton is cheaper for magistrates later. 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This year for now five Datsun added by coming up in this hour in a moment will find out the World Health Organization says K'naan Jim after backing out of appointing Robert Mugabe is a goodwill ambassador he still has. The long term impacts of what is being regarded as something of an own goal on their part then how how will a pointer of the gobby in the first place now that they rescinded it how will it have an impact on the important work they do one of the world will say We'll hear why some parents in Central West Africa are prepared to marry under-age daughters off as child brides and what can be done to tackle the issue and also get the thrills and spills of the U.S. Grump rain. Jeff Fischel the World Health Organization is U. Turn on its decision to appoint Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe is a goodwill ambassador after facing widespread criticism critics including the U.K. Government called the appointment surprising and disappointing given the ninety three year old leader's record on human rights but the UN's public health body praise Mr Mugabe's commitment to public health in spite of many people saying that Zimbabwe's health care system and collapse under his leadership well the double H O's Director General Ted Ross had on them good breezes is said to have listened to people's concerns Well I spoke to Dr Derek yakkers the former executive director for non-communicable diseases and mental health at the World Health Organization and I asked him for his reaction to the initial appointment I think like so many of my colleagues and people around the world one included just could not. Be chosen for any function of leadership inside the U.N. Indeed how do you think it came about the mood behind it. I wish I knew. Well I can only guess that maybe they wanted a leader from Africa to give a vision of what's needed since to process the very first director general representing the African continent but frankly I cannot imagine what the logic was so the Kodocha general of the W.H.O. Is an African is it the first time yes for the first time in the history of what would he have made the decision then to appoint president got his a goodwill ambassador Yes No absolutely he would have made the decision and in fact in early quiet when he made it he made it very clear that it was a decision of his and one based on what he believed was an outstanding record of improving the health of the people of Zimbabwe if that's the case you see very confusing now that you say that because there must be good leaders in Africa if you want to make an African thing we'll see many other leaders who have go much more outstanding credentials in terms of health care in their country than. What they are obviously I mean I think we've seen the leadership of HIV AIDS malaria tuberculosis many major public health issues coming from Africa from the south all the way through to the north both in the political realm in the private sector across academia there were there are there's no service of outstanding people in Africa he could have chosen on the other hand given all of the sanctions against Zimbabwe maybe there's a political point to be made that despite that you know this regime started out with all the best intentions of trying to improve the universal health care in the country. Well that was thirty years ago and I'm from South Africa and I can certainly tell you that in the in the early eighty's and through the eighty's we really aspired to the kind of approach that was under way in Zimbabwe primary health care was being put into place very much along the lines nutrition programs were underway to actually eliminate what had been very high levels of under-nutrition and stenting became the breadbasket of Africa. The AIDS program became exemplary but all of that started fading by the late eighty's and by the ninety's when the decline into really the destruction of human rights and health and in fact the economy accelerated in some if you so use that term the bread basket of Africa wasn't really helpful in terms of post-colonialism terms is it and I can understand if if you look at it from a political point of view that the director general of the W.H.O. Might want to send out a political statement to those who are behind the sanctions who say that when you impose sanctions as Iran and other countries have said before it is ordinary people who suffer particularly with sanctions with regards to health and certainly you could see how that political kind of argument might want to come out. Maybe but I think that most of the credible political leaders would imagine across Africa and of course the rest of the world but simply not by that given the decades of repression and brutality and suppression of human rights that's come at the hands of President a strange sort of there is academic now that the B.H. Has decided to rescind this invitation to the maker of the gobby Goodwill Ambassador what do you think the impact will be going forward in terms of public relations there goes to the. Well I think the key question is credibility and remember that it is the who in the end is the conscience of the world in terms of health just the W.H.O. Has to speak with credibility if there's a major epidemic with the potential to affect many countries and hundreds of thousands of people and their voice needs to be believed for that they need to be accepted have having credible science and being based on purely focused of the interests of global health and not political interests the question of how the sill affect their credibility is something I'm sure that they're looking at now as they try and repair the damage and to go deeper than that to go into the credibility on all aspects of this science which hopefully will come under scrutiny by people who will ask Are they truly using the best scientists in the world in areas like non-communicable diseases in policies related to other aspects of health. Because the see it's going to put a spotlight like we've never seen before on all the actions of. But to stress that we all need a strong global voice in health particularly when you have a crisis and particularly when you look to some international agency for assurance about what truly is a risk to health what really works to improve your health he can in the end carrying out its role on a global level can be to be really be nonpolitical. Well during the era I served under three directors general and of the three Dr Brundtland who had been prime minister of Norway really went out of her way to make sure that has seen appointments were not political appointments and I was a privilege to serve in a cabinet not at the behest of the South African government at the time but because she believed to have the scientific background and everybody else in the Cabinet had an outstanding background whether it was Infectious Disease Control Systems Research and so on there was a deliberate decision of her to break with the past and no longer have little appointments representing initially the five permanent members of the Security Council since her since she left when they returned to the process of having political appointments which meant that atomised staff are usually selected on a political basis the technical staff the below that are so pretty outstanding people with very strong technical capabilities and left to their own devices I know would actually come up with what is in the best interests in global health and the question is how he's actually going to be able to show that he's allowing the true science the scientists the people with a strong background in the international community who really understand what works and what doesn't work to have their voices shine through against what is often a political obstruction indeed from parties them political. Indeed in with governments is not in of itself a political kind of position the show takes opponents of never less Well I think of the political in the sense of you have to be aware of the obviously of the reality of international politics and I think that the skill of a director general and their senior staff requires making sure that you steering those political leaders heads of state and the shareholders of the organization who are the member states in the end to often take action that they may not agree with from a narrow perspective either the economy or their politics but is going to serve the bigger interest which is improving the global health. What should now happen to the Dollar General. Dross and you know I'm going to be saying this is his job to turn to boost his position tenable what should happen to him given the consequences that you've laid down. Well I mean why is it for me to say what happens to him but I certainly know that the one area where he appointed president McCarthy era of non-communicable diseases was one of the see very close to my heart and still is. And remember that he appointed him as a global ambassador to the the world to address the fact that chronic diseases cancer is quite a basket a disease driven by tobacco and diet and inactivity and alcohol are not the most important dominant cause of death and disease in the world his best response to my mind would be to take the commission that he recently appointed and a very able leader Sandy and then from Pakistan and make sure that she gets the real resources the real funding the real capability to have a commission that is truly independent that actually demonstrates what he failed to do with McCarthy draws upon the best science brings in private public partnerships and he's allowed to come up with truly innovative solutions to solve some of the biggest problems facing the world if he did that he'd actually be showing that while he fails to actually make a good decision with Mugabi he is not turning his back on the non-communicable diseases era in fact he's going to strengthen it and bring the best brains the best resources the best from the public and the private sector to bear that I think would be one way of starting to turn the ship of course in the broader issues he's going to have to both bridges with particularly the leading countries who have imposed sanctions on Zimbabwe and address that through a political process to today yet there the former executive director for non-communicable diseases and mental health at the World Health Organization around one in seven couples may have difficulty conceiving and it was around three and a half million people in the U.K. On Sunday breakfast we heard from broadcaster had Hannah Yvonne Jones who wrote a nonissue heartbreaking account of the brutal reality of our view of treatment and how it affected both her and her husband to. Sort of sum up really our story we started trying for a family about four five years ago and then within about a year of trying we went and had some sort of routine tests done and it transpired then there were potentially problems on both sides with both of us in order to try to conceive naturally so we sort of kicked off the fertility it were in fertility rate there and then really and then resulted in six rounds of I V F I think three of them or four of them last year so for fresh rounds last year and three rounds this year and I actually wrote this article after. Finding finding out that the last frozen embryo transfer that we had a month ago when I found out that failed edge sort of sat down and thought I just need to do something cathartic and but something might help me and it might help other people as well and it wasn't really supposed to be an article to be published it was really kind of like a diary entry to be honest what does it do to you. Emotionally I'm a very confident person very social person I'm very lucky to have lots of friends around me but it makes you feel paranoid you sort of constant looking over your shoulder thinking am I not a good judge of character anymore do I know people to people think differently of me now because all my friends I'm thirty six and so so many of my my female friends have obviously already started having their their families and have a couple of kids already and you feel left out I mean I've never been very good at being here anyway i hate it and so it just it's very very difficult to stay on the sort of straight and narrow in terms of having confidence in yourself and you know my job on the broadcaster anyway so I kind of have to have confidence in what I'm saying and when I'm saying it and the context of where I am at the time when I die I found that very very difficult indeed and I think the same for Lewis as well I mean one of the main things about I V F in this show. He is that it's great now that week everyone starting to talk about it more which is all I ever really wanted was just the people to feel like Let's talk about this there's nothing shameful about it and we should all be sharing our stories but the you know we still haven't heard from all that many men in this in this story as well and I V F is very much. For for you know for better special couples Anyway it's very much a kind of a difficult thing for the women and for and for the man even though the man's not necessarily having to sort of shoot up or inject every day I want to read this to you which is coming from Kevin in Suffolk he said I have three I.D.F. Treatments twenty years ago I eventually broke up my marriage I wouldn't wish the heartache on my worst enemy having a baby was my ex-wife's dream and burning desire although we had no contact for years and years now I still feel for her people who are lucky enough to have children can never begin to understand how terrible this can be my heart goes out to all couples in this predicament so so sad I mean. People don't realize the impact that it does have on relationships and as you mentioned before it's not just your partner in all of this but it's also your you know your friends your family as well and people who are sort of like help see looking in from the wings trying to see if there's anything they can do to help. I'm very very lucky as a put in this article as well that my husband Lewis is very rational and very practical and very supportive he wants a family more than anything in the world but he also loves me and we are happy with if that is our future if it is just supposed to be the two of us then we are happy because we love each other but there are so many people who just don't you know they they either have children very easily very naturally and then their marriage may be crumbles because everything's been a little bit too straightforward in a way and so we are very conscious of the fact that we have something special and we should be grateful for that it is the silent majority of people who go through I.V.'s who come out of it childless and I think the general the general view. Has always been that it's unfortunate if you have to go through fertility treatment and I V F But if you keep Patty if you work hard enough if you're brave enough you'll get there in the end and it's it's a lovely thing to say to someone because you think you're giving them hope but all hope is completely crushed when you do fertility treatments and actually the most appropriate thing to say is good luck and I'm here if you need me because there in most cases you will not have a baby as a result of the number of people overall I imagine I have no idea what the stats are but I think the number of people who do go undergo the treatment more often than not they will get to the end of their However many rounds they can do and then they will go off and seek other options bit adoption fostering whatever it might be surrogacy. And then there's the people you don't hear about and that's why I thought writing this article was useful because you don't really ever hear of someone who's in the middle of it with absolutely zero idea of how it's going to work out you only have really see it so you know the front of glossy magazines and someone's cradling their their miracle where do you and your husband go from here what's what's your plan now we. Going to have a seventh round of fresh treatments or fresh cycle and that will probably be in the next month or so and after that we will have to sort of reassess really because there are various payment programs that the people can. Sign up for and we just happen to be in one which means that we've got one more fresh round that's already partly paid for at least the treatments paid for the medication isn't so we will do that and see where we get in the one of the difficult things about I.V.'s that lots of people don't do it won't know is that you don't gain more of a chance with each round of treatment it's not like you sort of go you know you keep sort of building on the last you can go very much back to Stage one. And you know not pretty. Any eggs or not produce any embryos Atoll and therefore not be able to have any chance of actually of actually having a successful life birth as they as they often put it. To clinics so we will wait and see and will do next month I'm going to be on a slightly different course of treatment so I'm going to be on steroids which is terrifying because I've been on those for the medication in the past and I've sort of become used to it now it doesn't doesn't bother me and I've been very lucky in that. In a huge physical side effects and I always tell my husband I was so lucky I don't seem to have any sort of like person who has the side effects either as I'm really easygoing which he'd sort of not sat patiently and I'm sure he probably disagrees. But yes so next month we'll give another go see where we are Christmas and yeah two thousand and eighteen maybe makes him new choices and some need to sions good luck to Hannah Vaughan Jones there this morning on break first we'll hear from Ben and live a couple who had two cycles who are here for about the strange support of their relationship and the difficulties in talking to people about what they've been through a three day summit is starting today in Senate go aimed at accelerating action to end child marriage in West and Central Africa charities say the region is still home to six of the ten countries with the highest rates worldwide are West Africa correspondent is Thomas Fessor and I asked him how prevalent child marriage is there what it reminds common practice in the region and you've got to figure that all your seventy percent seventy six percent story of girls under eighteen that are married or also married in a country like Malaysia. The figure is sixty eight percent for the Central African Republic and child and remains about fifty percent Kimani and the some of the most affected call trees. And obviously what the government ministers religious and traditional leaders as well as United Nations arrogance. Charities are hoping to do during three days of conferences to. Remind communities that child marriages conceded a serious violation of human rights and a severe form of abuse on children. In the region you have several reasons behind child marriage you have economies and pressure especially in rural areas poor parents marry their daughters to reduce their financial burden and then you have religion and traditional norms as some could probably find you marriage at a young age and you do not necessarily place you child marriage is a problem and that is key to ending the practice in the region trying to make sure that communities get the message that either actually a problem but many of these children are being forced into marriage as well I mean quite apart from whether it's legal or not entering into these relationships these unions willingly AVE Well the figures that I've mentioned and. Those that are married and those that are forcibly married so some of them don't have a choice it's just what the parents decide to do for their children and again. In the core areas for example parents make sure that they're married they don't really add to relieve them from the economy pressure of having to take care of them and so he had been across the region that some of the daughters some of the girls forcibly married me who's going to be at this summit of. The does and charities who's going to be served it's basically going to be government ministers from order around western central Africa I think twenty five cars. Trade school be represented then you have the first lady and then book in the fast so you come on the stand a quite involved in and in these high level meetings and then you have really just been traditionally does have a lot. More a lot to play that they will be key in trying to get the message across communities within the region and United Nations agencies such as UNICEF charities such as Save the Children that will be that to emphasize the message and with the hope the finding measurable steps towards eliminating the practice in the region and. Try to achieve is it likely that they'll be able to achieve what they wouldn't say of course it's a huge battle but I think that. What they United Nations and the charities are acknowledging is not today's been some encouraging progress in reducing. Some of the most affected countries in the world but a country like Senate for example is a good example of the efforts that have been made in recent years the prevalence rate here is thirty one percent and that's a six point decrease in twenty years and extend the regional average of forty two percent but again it's important to note that the prevalence of child marriage is among the poorest and most troubled parts of the Senate agreed population is nearly twice the national average kicking in the south where it hasn't changed at all in the last twenty or so you can tell you that reaching out to these communities remains the biggest challenge here. German Firstly there in West Africa let's go the five love headlines NY has Joe. Blow prerelease anyone this is B.B.C. Five Live the toughest admissions standard of any world city starts in central London today with the introduction of the tea charge drivers of the most polluting vehicles will be affected by the ten pound levy which we made on top of the usual congestion fee of eleven pounds fifty the U.K.'s biggest business lobby groups including the Institute of Directors and the C.B.I. a Calling for an urgent Breck's it transition deal to safeguard jobs and investment they've drafted a joint letter which will be sent to the Bracks it Secretary David Davis people are being asked to trust doctor's advice when they say they don't need antibiotics Public Health England says a fifth of prescriptions for the drugs are on necessary and are contributing to the development of resistant bacteria and plans for a minimum price for alcohol in Wales will be announced later ministers say it could save lives and mean fewer hospital admissions Sanka as the sport Lewis Hamilton won the US Grand Prix to put himself closer to the Formula One drivers title his closest rival Sebastian Vettel finished second and now trailed by sixty six points with three races to go a fourth World Championship crown would make Hamilton the most successful British driver in history growing up seeing the greats. Mean him and in Damon and James and . Jim and and then to be now be up there with them and with their results it just doesn't feel. I would never do that say we go I don't know OK a really hard way Jerry go now it's still real it's a good feeling. A Premier League record attendance of eighty thousand eight hundred twenty seven saw Tottenham sweep Liverpool away four one at Wembley Liverpool manager you're going club called it a disappointing day and frustrating his spurs counterpart Morrissey a party Tino says they're beginning to enjoy playing at Wembley it's not to be that confidence. We must were talking a lot about Cecil we were talking a lot for this year. So important to make home feel like home that is so important to keep four for us for the rest of the season Everton boss Ronald Koeman says the rumors about his position are normal given their recent string of results losing five two against Arsenal was their third home defeat in a row and it leaves them in the Premier League bottom three it's a really tough time and the team is not performing well the pushing on the table is not the push in that Everton should be on when everybody knows that B.B.C. Sport understands West Ham will give manager at least two more matches the Hammers have managed just eight points from their first nine league games Meanwhile Harry Redknapp admits he would be interested in succeeding Gordon Strachan and Scotland manager when asked if he fancied it Redknapp replied Of course it must be a fantastic job to have Wasps have ended a run of five defeats after beating Harlequins forty one ten in the European Champions Cup director of rugby Die Young says it was a crucial victory we needed a win however we could see that I thought our last two performances were to step up and what a lot better than the previous performances today I thought defense led the way I don't think we had a lot of possession we should need to have a lot of territory a little bit careless with the ball again but now to come away the five tries is obviously really pleasing or something for us to build on elsewhere Exeter one twenty seven twenty four at Montpellier Ulster were thrashed forty one seventeen at La Rochelle Ronnie O'Sullivan produced four century breaks on his way to the English Open title. And you had some consoling words for current Wilson who he crushed nine frames to two in the final one hundred two that's me wow you know what I did really do a lot wrong I've just been a passenger and that can be hard you know physically but the MA laws sometimes think well you know what I have an impact and I know you try to be odd and then your power plays even better and huge sinkhole can get you worse you know but you have to just suck it up Sergio Garcia won the Masters Golf by one shot from U.S. Loughton British cyclist Elena Barca and early Dickinson took gold in the modest and at the European Track Championships in Berlin this is B.B.C. Five Live on digital online smartphone and somewhat good morning after a week as a porter's Ophelia and a battering from Bryan over the weekend Fortunately there are some quiet prospects to come in the week ahead low pressure though is still going to be the driving force of the British Isles whether there will be weather fronts at times when outbreaks of rain it will be breezy the wind critically will be lighter and the Snow White Ma weather on the way for the second half of the week especially and especially across the southern half of the party solves the day that I and for Scotland but a chilly start in the east not a little bit of brightness here but essentially we are looking at a cloudy wet morning rain piling in from the west quite heavy across the hells but we'll see brighter conditions arriving in to the West Bank by late morning and then sunshine spreading to all areas through the afternoon few showers around but overall a much improved picture for the second half of the day for Scotland and it should be a pretty pleasant highs of thirteen or fourteen degrees for Northern Ireland some rain the first thing. To arrive here quite quickly a few showers on and off throughout the afternoon pretty isolated a breezy story yes but a lovely looking off here think at Heinz fifty nine degrees finally on to England and Wales chance of a little bit of early Friday and slightly dry weather across eastern areas first thing but again we're basically talking about a cloudy morning. With a brush out from heavier rain for a time across western hills but piles of shit brought in quite quickly through the morning from sign showing its face here by lunchtime and then northern England and the Midlands improving over the last through the afternoon southern and eastern counties that was numb but with some slightly thicker cloud despite the greatest amount of story even under the cloud sixteen or seventeen the highest simply up to eighteen that we get a glimmer of sunshine I'm Susan Powell that's a five life weather five plus podcasts remember the pilots of this all got them but it was that in the wake you know the laws are everywhere you go up and there's nothing I want strict they I mean else. Where I was going which all of you have though was that when told that should speed punk I guess I got a fresh take on board so you think that really I don't know why he said that but no it's about the catalyst for. The tabloids the would be the people costs I don't do these things for awards but. This is your usual now. Finds leave East to yourselves as yeah sometimes for a full life like college costs money and listen on digital radio Lewis Hamilton is on the verge of winning a full Formula one world title after taking victory in the American Grown Prix in Austin Hamilton finished ahead of charge to rival Sebastian Vettel to move closer to another championship Jenny go and the five Live Formula One same discuss all the results in the checkered flag. This is why the C.E.O. Was changed out welcome to the checkered flag as we take you back and look over the events of the American Grand Prix round seventeen of the Formula one well the championship of two thousand and seventeen in a race which crowned with Sadie's construct is champions for a fourth time running did it cram a Sadie's. With another driver's championship is well known Lewis Hamilton couldn't seal the deal as he discussed everything is Mark got her form ahead of cars with engines and Jack Nickols off FORMULA ONE COMMENTATOR And Jack just take us through what happened today well off the start Jenny Sebastian Vettel got a very good get away over took Lewis Hamilton from pole position and held the new to the race but before too long Lewis Hamilton fought back over to Vettel coming down into turn twelve and from then on he disappeared really up the road had a much more pace than that everyone else Vettel that had odd little strategy of pitting possibly to try and trick Hamilton into pitting or something like that will have to get to the bottom of that one but he managed to fight his way back to finish second makes a step and was third across the line after a great final move on Kimi Reichen but then he was going to five second penalty for that move which I'm sure will discuss a little bit later and so he finished fourth and battery boss ass finished in fifth then on science Perez Massa and could be at completing the top ten some impressive first races and debutantes and returning races as well so an awful lot went on really in that grand prix Yes we cram as much as we can into this program we should hear from Lewis Hamilton we'll hear from Toto Wolff we're trying find him Christian Horner and maybe max a step in as well if we can get word from the driver who's taken a very very long time to come to the media pen and speak to us because of that obviously denied third spot and that mark out of a six race this weekend and a success by all accounts I mean it looked impressive it was impressive We had some fabulous racing wheel to wheel action of the highest possible class and then all the razzmatazz that Liberty Media the owners of Formula one board EPSTEIN The chairman of the circuit of the Americas could possibly bring to an American Grand Prix everything from Bill Clinton to Hollywood stars to all arise with tires America I think really only it knows how to do quite in this style and it really added to the sense of the occasion and really could see that Lewis Hamilton. Enjoyed every second of it sixty six points it's a different set from Hamilton to Vettel now in the Championship when Jack we we've now got our abacus out and what that exactly what that means that when you have some finishes fifth or above in the Mexico Grand Prix no matter what Sebastian Vettel does Lewis Hamilton will be the champion of two thousand and seventy There we go just like in two thousand and eight in his first world championship winning you just need to finish with me over to team a block on the last corner anyone the championship there so for the above in Mexico City World Champion OK Well let's hear from Louise Hamilton winner of the race here in America shoot this came close. I really. Could have only dreamed of this happening the second half of the season you know the first half just constantly chasing Tacey they were standing at the up a bit of the upper hand I think no one can say this year that one of us had the better car I think you know I think this year you know there's been races where they're being quickest and between races where we're quickest and there's been raised with a quick as in a not done a good enough job you know like Singapore. And so yeah what I really want to say because graduation sitting back in the factory because this is it's been a big big push to come into another era of car and be competitive with a team like for our you who have been right on it from the get go so who for sure were the started earlier development than us last year as we're fighting for the championship so you know really great and looking forward to this battle for you know. Years to come by looking forward to as well what we're looking forward to as well as you becoming the most successful British driver of all time which you do as soon as you get that fourth title. That will be very cool I mean growing up I'm very proud to be amongst the great British drivers and I'm in geez it's just such a dream. Believe that it's the time is now you know growing up seeing the greats sister Amy and him and reading about what he has had achieved and Damon and James and. And Jim and and then to be now be up there with them and with their results it just doesn't feel we pinch me I would never do that say we go no it's still real it's a good feeling so how Milton has now won five out of six races here in Austin and on the podium he said he thought it was his favorite race track now I'm sure Silverstone will be delighted if that's in the British friends as well but some days it just goes your way and Hamilton certainly looks very commanding out there Mt Gallagher he really did and let's face it we know he loves the United States and Europe right Jenny you know this is this is he's made it all of his own and not just destroyed course he also won in Indianapolis and we have the United States there so it's it's you know this is where I think he's happiest he's embraced the U.S.O. That he loves everything about it and my world he produced knows how to produce a stunning performance around his truck loved every inch of it let's hear from types who will because they have wrapped up the constructors' championship for a fourth time and I spoke to him just after the cars across the finishing line I'm so happy and so proud of what the team has achieved the last four years so much effort to twenty four seven from so many you couldn't feel any better right now you didn't necessarily have the best car this year either would you say. At the end the best car wins and it's about. Reliability and that made us bring the temperature Mark I feel like they haven't had the best car all the time this year yet they've still managed to win the constructors' championship but I think that's even more impressive because they have had to fight back they had a car which was like they called it a diva you know they never knew what to expect from one weekend to the other certainly in the first half of the season that was really a major issue for Jamie it was good to see James Alison the technical boss on the podium today because James Alice has had to lead to technical team through quite a few struggles as you only have to look really at a performance of Valtteri Bottas who's really struggled with his car tremendously all year to see to really don't reflect on just how well Lewis Hamilton has done and just how well the team has done in recovering from that position this is been the hardest fault of the four championships that receive these have won since these new regulations were brought in because the battle was not between Lewis Hamilton and his team mate it was a battle between Lewis Hamilton and Ferrari Sebastian Vettel it's been a tougher fight for mercy's I think they will feel even more happy about a more rewarded by this. And Jackie think that Ferrari will now have to take action because let's face it the last part of the season has gone into a bit of a tailspin for them I think it's very difficult to put the three races in particular that that all sort of fell apart. Squarely at the door of Ferrari I mean obviously it is their fault and obviously all of them were their folds in terms of the crash of Vettel in Singapore the problem for Sebastian Vettel in Malays around the problem with the sparkplug in Japan they are obviously all Sebastian Ferrari's responsibility apart from Sebastian Vettel crash but I don't see how changing the management is going to mean that a spark plug doesn't fail I mean you Mark you know a lot more about management of teams than I do but I don't think you can just say if Ferrari make a load of changes then Vettel doesn't crash they don't have a power unit problem in Malaysia or in Japan it's everything's fixed my take on the whole situation is that Ferrari got far more right this year than they got wrong they built a brilliant car compared to the last couple of years they built a brilliant car they were competitive they want. Early in the year it all looked extremely impressive but the reality is it got away from them and it got away from them for a couple of reasons yes there were some reliability problems. Ferrari need to take a look at what those specific issues where and address those specific issues someone else really should take a look at it is Sebastian Vettel because it feels like the whole loss of momentum happened without startling shunt in Singapore and Sebastian Vettel needed needs to maybe reflect not on not day and not moment in that second of making a decision he was racing marks for stop and to turn one when actually the person he should have kept focused on beating and not race was Lewis Hamilton they had the wings of that race Ferrari and that's where the championship in my view was really lost Well let's hear from Sebastian Vettel finished in second place at the second of the Americans who didn't have the speed. You know we decided to go two stops which required some passing at the end which Yeah. Got it right right is it now sinking in the tightest of doing you know who played implausibility but so you know what I'm doing you know. The races where we handed out presents didn't help so. Yeah I don't know I don't know I'm just not happy with today I thought we can really win like we can. When another man pretty downbeat today and when we talk about construct his championship we have to look at Valtteri Bottas Yes he played a part in the Championship but the second part of the season has not been great and I spoke to after the race and he was visibly upset definitely very disappointing you know us the race was going quite OK could all time see the leaders and the pace was great but just and then losing all of that stuff OK let's look at the positive to say these well champions for a fourth time in your part that you made that happen. Yeah and it's still. For you no go go true this disappointment of course it is special when I was first time for me and it takes takes sometimes one for me to realize it but. Just at the moment I'm just is a bunch of you know so I wanted to get get over that now Jack want to miss Sadie's do going forward they've already signed for next season that way be in doubt but is he the perfect partner for Hamilton just supporting him they're not really challenging him hugely Or has he lost so much confidence now that actually that they're going to have to look at all the drivers and all the possibilities very seriously I don't think they'll get rid of him to be honest for next season certainly but again it was a one year extension with drivers becoming available at the end of the year after that the the interesting thing that I'm uncertain about is whether both houses tailed off in the second half of the year or how Martin is up his game in the second half of the year because Hamilton had. The edge on us in the first half of the year but on occasion both US did very well and Hamilton would have an off day and I don't know if actually Hamilton is just more on it in the second half of the year bought us may well be at the same level that he's been at all year but it's Hamilton is raised his game I don't I don't know his that way around or both as has dropped away while I was I was about to use the cop out answer and say there's a bit of both. Races going there's no questions in the sense of summertime he's being X. Extraordinary but even I can tell that the body language of his demeanor the words coming out of his mouth he's in a bad place and his career you know if he doesn't improve in a significant way over the balance of the season with a championship effectively all tied up in there for nothing to worry about you'd have to say there is a question is this guy the guy that is going to help receive these to defend this championship next year or dollars total will do some remarkable deal in the off season where they get in a very long into the seat alongside Lewis Hamilton for next year and and do a deal the bottom has to go back to Williams and help Williams to solve their driver problem I mean you'd have to say based on what we've seen from ball tires in recent races it's made for such an impressive viewing and he knows it has to be a big question mark proceedings have to really get their arm around that guy he needs to go and be allowed to understand what has rolled him just so much performance against Lewis Hamilton because once you see five ten six times eight tenths of a second up you know there is a huge problem going on in the cockpit Mark how easy a full moon on contracts to get out of I would just assume that process has a contract for next year he'll be good and generally are they easy I worked or Eddie Jordan any contract can be gone God no. Contract has not been written that cannot be gotten out of and he and here's the key thing actually Johnny on contracts because I. Often I'm asked his question you know protected by by formula media and I say oh but he's got a contract contractually work of both parties really want to stick by them if one party decides they really really don't want this to go forward in particular that party of the contract has got a lot of money which by the way Mercedes Benz did have a lot more money than Valtteri Bottas has money will always sort out a contractual problem of a severance free compensation you put together a nice package there's always a way to go on over those problems and you know what top House wouldn't be surprised if he's faced with some earnest conversations in the weeks ahead particularly if he does not stage a recovery in the course of Mexico Brazil Abu Dhabi it could be a pretty gloomy run into the Christmas for him let's move on from both of us if we can and just go down the list a little bit so you have Hamilton Vettel Reichen and those are your top three with have from them already and Max the sap and. Debate if you can Zack just remind people what happened see him so Max Stepan. Check out the inside of. Can Rock and going on to the final leg of the Grand Prix was a very busy race got the inside coming into the first right hand and then sort of went off the circuit a little bit all four wheels the right hander of turn seventeen and over took right in the stewards deemed that Max a step and cut the track to take that position so they would in a five second penalty so he finished back in fourth place OK so the stewards were absolutely correct to hand that decision because Max must happen was all four wheels off the track on the inside the rule is the white line and the curve defined the edge of the racetrack makes a stop and was on the tarmac going off area on the inside of that when he overtook can be right in and so on the one hand it is totally the correct decision by the stewards but all weekend and throughout the history of Formula one since they started building stupid new tracks. Drivers cut the corner as much as they possibly can and they abused the track limits how many times did we see today Mark people cutting that lefthander turn a nine to go all the way over the curb on the inside then all the way to the curb on the outside at ten nineteen they were running wide all weekend out into the penultimate corner of the track and no one's penalized but the one exciting overtake of the race was actually there if you then you get penalized it's the right decision because he did abused but it's the consistency and is the point that it's even to a debate that is the issue so I'll stop now everything you said is absolutely spot on it's the right decision the rules are clear marks overstepped the limit and he took the penalty as a result of that but as Christian Horner said after the race he used a four letter explicit expletive to describe what he thought of the decision it is horrible it's a horrible outcome it's not what any of us want in Formula One and when we're trying to rebuild a sport in the United States with all the effort that went into this grand prix to today to have to explain to a couple hundred thousand fans why Mark for starters have a five second penalty who cares the fans don't care about it in a Bill Clinton I can't imagine it but you know how how does Hussein bolt get that explained to him you know the reality is if it is a sport you have to you have to the person who does who is the best as to finish in the right order not just a show anyone can finish in any order Jack why you argue with me I'm just about to say what you said we shouldn't be having a debate because exceeding track limit should have an automatic penalty in itself it should be the fact of taking the car off the track that leads to such an obvious penalty in terms of performance that you cannot you know benefit from it I mean in its extreme versions you know when you look back at the old photographs why that was never an issue in the fifty's and sixty's the track limits were defined by a tree by an article barrier by Wall. You know truck limits were there to be seen if you exceeded truck limit you didn't finish the race yesterday and overtake anybody the trouble is now we've got a set of circumstances where these rules are having to be applied retrospectively at the end of a girl pretty good news well let's hear from the equally helping Madison's to Jack Nickols team principal of Christian Horner just underneath the podium as he was finding out that his driver had been relegated from third to fourth in driving off track all weekend this weekend and you know Max made a fair strong I think the penalizing for that that's that's not not right you know the robo fans here from a fantastic podium so it's a great shame was a great Grand Prix and they screwed it up well Max the stopping clearly a lot of confusion at the end of that race and clearly not a happy man I don't blame me I'm so happy. But yeah of course we should have been but. It's very weird because the whole weekend we could run off track and there were no track limits even my fights with both of you went off the track while I was already in from and he came back in front of me and I had to overtake him again there was no penalty given you know I'm fine with other K. You know we overtake him again but then I'm fighting with Kimi and I do get a penalty so it's very weird I mean it's also you know for the sports the fans I guess they also don't understand because they were loving it and then you know they ruin the sport like that so you know they should keep going like this because I'm for sure I would in two years time the fans are walking away here I can tell how close you are is it with any of the series in particular have you been able to rush with them it's one particular story I'm not going to name any names but yeah that's how it is this is consistency issues and that you feel. Yeah that's definitely one thing what is lacking. I guess also just their understanding of what they do understand how to kill the sport that's a compliment for them Well strong words from Max to step in there they know how to kill a sport carry on like this and in two years there won't be any found you don't get stronger the math Jack no. It's I mean it's an extreme view but the points he makes is very accurate I mean when Vettel went around the outside of Hamilton a term one or so he went up the inside but then he ran very wide on the exit that you go all four wheels off the circuit then you know it's just a. You just need it to be applied consistently or not have the problem at all that's that's the best the fundamentals of it say you have heard from the major pretax I miss this time outs and because I want you to look through the list of other finishes and tell me he stood out for you well you got to give it to Max for Stepan really because he started way way down the order after some engine penalties and managed to finish in sort of third but also fourth but the fact he was fighting with the FOR OUR is no safety cars no full course yellows just pure pace and strategy that was that was stand out for me and Mark who stood out for you apart from Max to stop Yeah well I'm not going to go for someone who cheated and. Very good just throw that in there I'm going to go are going to be very Spanish and go for Carlos silent because I think he did make the recent job on his debut weekend for Row A No one should underestimate the challenge of stepping from one car into another car completely different team different set up call a science I think it is stunning performance to there he managed to finish in seventh place just behind Esteban are gone box us. Right in and battle Hamilton in backwards order I've never done that before with it anyway and after sites in seventh or eighth with Perez nights mass and final points paying position goes to Dad OK there and I reckon I'm going to give him a bit of a nod because he was what he was in my time one of my contenders Oh OK Well nice to know. He was you know came back against all the odds he's got a tough job on his hands because he doesn't know whether he's going to continue driving for Toronto or get dropped for a third time and he manages to get a point he's only got four for the whole season so that's actually pretty impressive bounty the other man I think is Brendan Hartley jacket mean obviously there's this battle now do they keep Hartley at Toro Rosso or do they keep the at his ghastly the young Frenchman will come back in for the next round in Mexico we know that So what do you do if you're the boss. Well you got to keep giving it to be honest after this weekend Hartley did a decent job but I don't think he did a good enough job to really make people think Right yeah I will give you a run for that it rest of the season especially when it's so tight in terms of the championship points you know picking up a point today and these horror Also team are only five points in front of read no run of got car signs in the car did a very good job today as well so I don't think you can afford in the remainder of this season to stick in to carry on with your rookie who didn't do a super job he did fine I'm not knocking him but he did that scene standing Yes exactly and a long way away from Danica fear at who's already been sacked twice by Red Bull so I think you got to say would give it up as a write Mexico Next up preview show on Thursday ahead of the race where Lewis Hamilton will probably be crowned the well the champion What a great setting Jack to be crowned the world champion in Mexico with that and three theater in the baseball grounds kind of area yeah it's a wonderful venue is this and the passion of the makes confounds is something and they will love seeing a world champion crowned in Mexico City we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves but he just needs to finish fifth or above and you have to say he's got every chance of doing OK this is what he must be content production the B.B.C. 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