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Being made and urged everyone to reach an outcome they could stand behind and defend to their people maybe a shadow breaks it Minister Jenny Chapman says walking away without a deal would be disastrous it would mean there would be no transitional period in which businesses can adjust to a new regime there would be tariffs of say thirty forty percent on some products including meat and dairy would have three million people living in this country with no status I'm not relaxed about. The presidents of the European Council says the E.U. Won't be intervening in the situation between Spain and Catalonia the Spanish government says it will start taking some of the region's autonomous powers away on Saturday Donald Tusk has been speaking at the summit of E.U. Leaders in Brussels. Hiding to the situation in Spain is about to position I mean. It's. Clear there's still rule no space for in the kind of mediation international initiative action the second teenager has been arrested on suspicion of murder following a stabbing outside Parsons Green cheap station in London Police say twenty year old mates say the was killed after asking a drug dealer and another man to leave the area the centuries police say they're investigating another case of alleged sexual assault involving a Harvey Weinstein the woman claims she was raped by the film producer in twenty thirteen he's denied all claims of non consensual sex Tom Hanks has told the B.B.C. The claims must lead to change in Hollywood perhaps all men myself included should pipe down because what has to happen right now is every one of those women one hundred percent of them need to be listened to the White House chief of staff says she was left broken hearted by claims from a Democratic congresswoman the present. Trump was disrespectful in a phone call to the widow of a fallen soldier Donald Trump allegedly said Sergeant David Johnston knew what he was signing up for but he denies making those comments the Scottish government says it will back legislation making it illegal for parents to smack their children it means Scotland will be the first part of the U.K. To do say Reverend either Martin is from the Free Church of Scotland I was brought up in Scotland in a Scottish culture which I think accepted a certain form of operating in the at the moment parents have the liberty to choose whether to include within the framework of the operating of the children physicality or not that liberty is going to be taken away from them and I'm really concerned about that a badger has been found sleeping in a cat bed at a house in West lazy and the animal got in through a cat flap and fell asleep after eating all the cat food it was a tent eventually tempted back outside by a Scottish S.P.C. Eight officer his soccer with the sports Everton's chances of progressing from their Europa League group look slim after a two one home defeat to live on it leaves them bottom after three games that manager Ronnell cumin admits it puts his job under increased scrutiny arsenal by contrast are top of their group boss Arsene Wenger says his side showed character to win one will away to Red Star Belgrade alleviate sure you scored the winner six minutes from time Scotland's Women meanwhile came from behind to be Bellerose two one in their opening World Cup qualifier in rugby union's European Challenge Cup Gloucester running nine tries as they beat our John sixty one sixteen scrum half Rhys Webb says he will not change his decision to join too long next year even though it means he'll not be eligible to play for Wales a Welsh Rugby Union rule change means players taking up a new deal with the team outside Wales must have at least sixty caps to play Test rugby and Ronnie O'Sullivan is through to the quarter finals of the English open snooker after a four frames to three win over John Higgins. This is B.B.C. Five Live on digital smartphone and stop at the weather saying unsettled with some Western very windy conditions spreading north and east splits across the country even ice today gales may affect coasts in southwest England the morning will begin mostly cloudy and damp skies will price night throughout the day was last Saturday it's the finale of the twenty seventeen European flat racing season healthy but the end to end enjoyment Champions Day then now reaches its peak eight hundred major races from British and instead ask it thank you in the Champion Stakes the Queen Elizabeth the Second stakes. British champion said. Saturday B.B.C. Five Live. This is a fortnight of five. Coming up in this hour we'll hear how the Spanish government intends to deal with the issues in Catalonia and it's going to strip the region the autonomous regional previously worked out of this region it will be by Saturday of its powers of a child to make hair what about the school one five five an hour it's going to be interpreted by the Spanish Senate in an extraordinary general meeting of the politicians in Spain this weekend about the underwood film director Quentin Tarantino he over marks other things of course Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction he has admitted that he knew about instances of alleged sexual assault by Harvey Weinstein and he knew about it for decades what he had to say. I'll be speaking to the first British woman to scale the second tallest mountain in the world Katie Dean listen to that interview in the second half of this hour fascination with Chance India and how she defines her achievements as well. But first lots and lots to talk about now imagine the situation for people in Spain because things aside sound Raval very politically the Spanish government says it will start the process of stripping Catalonia as autonomous powers on Saturday the cabinet will draw up measures for formal approval by the Senate and draws a cool one five five of the Spanish constitution which has never been invoked before last night European Union leaders meeting in Brussels express their support for these banished government in its dispute with Catalonia the president of the European Council Donald Tusk made it clear that the E.U. Will not intervene in the dispute between Spain and Catalonia and rebuffed Catalan appeals for mediation of course for many reasons in the permanent contact or famine if the money on a. Hiding to the situation in Spain is linked but a position I mean. Member states clear the the room no space for in the kind of mediation of international initiative of action will you ask me to marry a Magara who's a journalist who works who lives in Catalonia nonsupport article one five five is and what will have two months is triggered if the push by him in the history of words of Spain I mean after the death of General Francisco Chronicle So if we can see there just these forty years of democracy in Spain is the first time these article is going to be activated by the Spanish government soon to be over this is not so clear what is going to end and what what exactly this article means we have to wait. Next Saturday when there will be the extraordinary. Council of MINISTER I mean that in my great where I mean special government oh we'll we'll be better we'll make clear more Peter about exactly which kind of measure they're going to take according to. Article one hundred fifty five after the first step will be to wait I mean I don't know about the Spanish government or did the first entity have to wait for sort of. Authorization provided by the Spanish Senate it's the session I mean the Senate's it's going to it's two courses not so clear not so sure we should they that they the Senate's going to celebrate next president and say Chena at the end of October because they delay is going to over just the last the last a day or what or where there should be a specific an extraordinary session of the Spanish Senate they need to to provide Spanish government we don't under ization a formal authorization to a Catalan government just to be clear Mariya because you have explained that article one five five is not clear as to what what measures need to be introduced in how it will be interpreted so who will interpret if you like the constitution will it ultimately be the Government will it be Prime Minister Rudd will it be the Senate or will it perhaps even be the judiciary who look at what's written down in the Constitution about Article one five five and interprets it so that if the application the spirit of the over the article is carried out in its application. Well I guess I guess it is Portland the Senate is going to interpret the meaning of. The article one five five they are going to provide the Spanish government wait a formal I'll go rigs Asian but again it's I mean to do to the fact that this cooling is the first time in the easterly a spade that this cardinal is going to activate. The space ship the Spanish government I mean nice to to qualify the Spanish the Spanish people to the sea then to the sea that which had no major They they're going to they're going to activate according to the number one five violence so to be onus I mean really really few people actually currently in Spain vote in Spain and in Catalonia to really know what's really know what the article one of five four myths that's the best the problem because there are these I mean these are to go as not recently basically because this is really the first time is going to be up to me so the first step is again when the extraordinary meeting is going to take place ima beat in two dates the Spanish government and of course Spanish premise that Mariano Rajoy is going to specify which kind of measure they're going to up to me according to the to the article then second suspect is the Senate the say that I'm in at the end of October as I told you I mean even if it's not circle here this session should be celebrated at the end of October is going to I mean provide the Spanish government with a formal alchemy is a shame and then the baby on the measure that the Spanish government is going to is going to propose to up like it would like to apply on Saturday they will as they please I mean that's that's should be that that's should be made the way the article one five five is going to work is the crucial time and not so. And for this extraordinary general meeting of this Senate it won't be straightforward Will it because I'm imagining in the Senate there will be many different opinions as to the interpretation of article one five five or is it the case that Prime Minister Rudd Hoyo will have enough conservative support within the Parliament to back his interpretation of article one five five Absolutely. Will have a stronger and you rich poor old at Seneca Absolutely it will be a very easy step I mean for Spanish government to receive In other words ation by the specialists in it because they have a berry and huge and important majority at the Spanish Senate so it's free and wept you were twenty they were all show I mean and that I mean that also the socialist and the Sudan was parked in there going through to two Kalpoe I mean they are equipped the Spanish government and the prime minister Mariano Rajoy I mean accept that except the here in Spain we have four in there for biggest big sparkly quickly acceptable the Morse the leftist part of it I mean the leader is probably less yes all the other political parties here is being absolutely agri to our debate article one five five zero Premier Spanish Premier I am the holy is calling us and huge and clear majority at Senate at the end of October to receive I mean an eye for modernisation provided by the Spanish Senate so we will already know more or less what the triggering your votes a cool one five five means for the Catalan region do we not more or less know what Prime Minister is opinion is of how the castle and region will be run from Madrid. Absolutely exhausted and that's that's the key point that's the key point I mean I am in my view not a whole called all show the side to up to up the date maybe article one five in a stronger I'm in for a week they came in taking stronger measures against the government I mean it will depend if it will bend it's I mean it's an important it's important decision it's going to be taken by a man or a holy and also we have not to forget that to date your fish out statement provided by the couple on President promised for the more really for the moment was I mean absolutely clear I mean he called whatever the holy if you apply if you will activate article one five five Give me my but my Yeah no I mean we we have in the Spanish the coddling government and the bottle and the couple a part of it maybe we have declared independence of Catalonia So it was a sort of we did I mean for Marianna holy I mean if you apply. The article one Parklife maybe you are going to be parroting it but it's a couple of years so I mean next week it's absolutely the key week according I mean what is going to Epona by the first the day I mean it's really next it's absolutely important to understand what is going to what is going to going on we can isn't and spank Mary Magara who's a journalist and lives in Catalonia the Hollywood film director Quentin Tarantino's admitted that he knew about instances of alleged sexual assault by Harvey Weinstein for decades in an interview with The New York Times he said there was more to it than just the normal rumors that the normal gossip he also said that he wishes he'd have taken responsibility and done more to protect the women involved it comes as police in Los Angeles say they're investigating another case. Several age sexual assault involving Harvey Weinstein the woman claims she was raped by the film producer in two thousand and thirteen seaven Gatos is the executive editor of Variety magazine saying thank you for joining us about this what would she make of Quentin Tarantino's comments in this interview. Well two hours ago when we first discussed having a conversation about Quenton it was a lifetime in terms of Harvey Weinstein stories this has been typical of the most unusual time in the variety NEWSROOM in the twenty five years I've been here. There's five more stories having to do with sexual harassment in the media just in the last two hours here in Hollywood there is a story by Lupita Nyong'o the great young actress who won the Oscar her own. Incident of sexual attack by Harvey harassment a very ugly story and a very detailed and there's a story in The New Yorker that several staffers from the Weinstein Company have sent a letter saying we did not know there's another story about what is happening over to Amazon Studios where their top executives in charge had resigned and now there's a spotlight on underlings looking at different behavior and decisions this thing it just continues to spread and saying that it is saying that the speed at which the stories about Harvey Weinstein's. Behavior has spread of the loss we call side it is surprising then that country towns he knows wasted all his time to make a fools least a substantiative comment on it because you might remember about a week ago when he was being approached on this to give a comment he was quite reluctant to speak more forthrightly was and yes you know the idea of the thing I didn't mention is that the Los Angeles Police Department is investigating. Sexual attack charges for Harvey Weinstein I think if people are consulting lawyers I think they're consulting crisis management and public relations handlers. People are speaking in very circumspect towns in very cautiously and carefully you'll notice that Bob Weinstein talked about not talking to his brother over the last five years which could be a legal defense that he did not know about things in all his five years you notice that Harvey has said through his spokesperson they keep repeating like a montra we have never had on consensual sexual encounters the Clinton piece of the puzzle Clinton made Harvey and Harvey made Quentin and I wrote the first profiles ever published on Quentin Tarantino twenty six years ago. So I know the story quite well I'm afraid that Quentin statement will not satisfy those who are looking for something more detailed and it may satisfy those who just want it all to go away and don't want to hear something bad about their hero so it's you know it's almost like you have to be a lawyer to read these things that we're hearing in cinematic terms then Quentin Townsend Harvey Weinstein are embedded in cinematic terms. Yes I mean Pulp Fiction changed the entire history of American cinema because it was the envy of the little indie picture that cost a twelve million dollars in gross one hundred twenty million and it led to everybody believing that there was a goldmine in the world of indie film so that's a Harvey Weinstein production of a Quentin Tarantino film the last few years the biggest hits for for Weinstein were Inglorious Basterds and Django both Clinton films the biggest films frequent these guys have been partners the very first Clinton film which I was writing about before that even Premier it in Sundance was unmarried Max production Harvey's company they have been a father and son brothers whatever you want to call them for literally twenty five years it's a twenty is this kind of wedding anniversary if you will and it's not a very happy one yeah and he admitted in the statement that he made about how he Weinstein that he knew that an alleged assault involving his food would go for in Mira Sorvino and other actresses. Yes there's a May a cult of build into what Clinton said you know I'll tell you why I'm very sympathetic to Clinton in this particular situation because I frankly don't know who is the Weinstein Company or at Miramax who from that inner circle actually knew the full extent of the Harvey Weinstein behavior I have heard stories everyone has heard stories but nobody ever had heard that the stories were a continuum of behavior that was even worse than that we know that most of us had ever heard I had never heard about you know rape charges or anything like that but to it's possible to me that someone like quit and didn't know the full extent of this demonic behavior I mean it's it's very very. It's unbelievable to see the extent of this for decades. To respect behavior continue Well somebody did now and I think that the Clinton interview and the reason we're talking today is people are looking to find out who from that circle around HARVEY Well you know the legal advisers who knew what yes that's him for a good point to make a nobody's accusing Quentin Tarantino as you said not in the full extent of a lot of not all the kind of allegations that we've heard that's right but even in US saying that when you say that you have some sympathy that he. Probably didn't know the full extent. Probably I'm just I don't have information or you don't have the information are you not you know in to some extent saying and accepting what he says he will have no clue about some of this and the extent to which he knew about the kind of behavior that Harvey Weinstein has been accused of the question now Hollywood sun you know as someone who lived in London for five years and someone who worked in European sentiment Hollywood's grandiosity and self-importance and the riches that are made you know there are people who make film all over the world and they don't live like Roman emperors and Raj You know I think this is a symptom of. Hollywood and I don't know what the cure is because it's been a symptom from the earliest days when people make enormous amounts of money and getting Ormus power and acclaim for doing you know something nice and interesting the grandiosity it's so out of proportion to what the work is that this is a symptom of what happens and it's just a I don't think the examinations of this are going to cease but I'm not sure where they're all going to lead to but I do think that going back to the specifics of Quentin and the inner circle around Harvey I do think that there are probably other people whose names haven't come out and by the way some of them are in London because an awful lot of this behavior occurred there some of them are in wrong we've written about it in Variety already that a lot of things happened with this operation called Miramax Italia which was variety was sort of questioning it back in the days when it was occurring. And some of its Los Angeles and some of its New York I believe the London police are looking into this I believe the F.B.I. Are looking into it New York and Los Angeles there are a lot of in the. To gay sions but I think on a human level personal level there are people in the Harvey inner circle people that were there for ten twenty years and it does decide logic that they didn't have a clearer picture of the extent of this than than many of us who just heard bad stories and rumors and would never have imagined the extent to which this is going to I think a void as particularly when. Actresses were being left alone in a hotel room and so you know the colleague of Harvey wings wants him to go do something else with knowledge knowledge winkling and does seem to have been part of a a continuum in terms of you know modus operandi and even more the nudge nudge wink wink there is one character that's emerged in the wrong stories as a particular or you know like the supreme creator or for Harvey there's another figure that's emerged in New York I have sources telling me variety should be looking into this particular person so there were people who weren't just aware of the behavior and weren't just looking the other way they were active participants in a lot of the behavior so the story is certainly not done on a day when I would have imagined I just flew back from Nashville I thought this had calmed down a little bit and everywhere I'm turning today it's a lot of PAGE ONE developments two three weeks after this thing started happening and you know I can only say one thing I hope everything comes out I hope everything is examined I hope this kind of behavior and this added to that and this as I call it you know this Roman emperors sender and I hope it all gets revealed because it'll be a better town it'll be a better business will get better world because the ship there's absolutely no place for any of this it's it's it's obscene and disgusting Steven thank you Stephen kindness that Variety magazine now you might remember and. Last night's program we spoke to the president of the University of Florida ahead of the speech taking place there by the white supremacist RICHARD SPENCER Well the speech took place with heavy security on campus and Florida's governor Rick Scott declared a state of emergency ahead of the event this all because after the violence that model Spence's unite the right Rally in Charlottesville Virginia in Orcus Well let's find out how things went now in Florida with da Dr Thomas Arabs who lectures at the University and is here with us appreciate you talking to us how did this speech go to G.C. Or hear any of it. Well I was on the outside and I was with the organizers of the event and so I had a certain role and I needed to play outside but we also had activists inside inside the Performing Arts Theatre and they had to by far the most tickets and it turned out that. RICHARD SPENCER and and company. Filled up the first two rows of the theater and they're all entire all the other seats were filled up by activists who are who are angry. What he was saying and there were three speakers inside I'll tell you that the other person that leads up to it what happened inside the theater is that. He had two other Nazi types that are like him and saying exactly those things they couldn't even get they couldn't even get started the crowd was so angry and so and so insistent on saying exactly you are in favor of genocide leave leave Gainesville now and so they were there doing all these chants and all these things inside the theater make the first two walked off the stage because they couldn't talk so Richard Spencer is the third one he's the one that's going to speak and so he couldn't get a sentence out without of being by the end of the over you could hear the hear the crowd it was responding to it and he couldn't finish the sentence some of the result was that he would just keep saying everyone well don't you believe in free speech and don't believe in free speech that's not only could get out really fast and he's tried for. Well maybe forty five minutes to an hour or something like that to probably forty five minutes to try to make a speech and then there's a question and answer period we were getting reports from inside because we had so many activists that were had tickets and the university had been one any activists inside and they didn't want any activists at all outside the university. Everything it could to discourage people including with the governor declaring a state of emergency as having put police I mean it was like an armed camp you couldn't walk anywhere on campus when you were when you were going through police so the result was that people people should have felt very intimidated but instead just the opposite happened and we had I knew we had three hundred activists from Gainesville who were going to China and we had commitments from and from their groups and we knew how we knew you know how come any people had turned out the crowd was away larger I don't know how large it was but I can tell you that. There are four blocks that you had to walk along I mean these are long lines is a resume to there that big parking lots of the bay really big blocks for blocks you had to go past in order to get to where where you could see the other for the Performing Arts where somebody who was there simply here you don't appreciate you telling us about it and she sounds like something of a well how do you want to describe it thank you very much for him to toss out to the from the universe he. Is modern human. Life. This is B.B.C. Five Live series The main has. To clear the way for a break sit deal which he can defend at time speaking during a working dinner in Brussels the prime minister insisted from progress was being made there's been a shot rising crimes recorded annually by police in England and Wales Official figures show that fall into fences have risen by nineteen percent Scotland is set to become the first part of the ban smacking the Scottish government is backing legislation that outlaws the physical punishment of children and Tom Hanks has told the B.B.C. There is no way back into the film industry for disgraced producer Harvey Weinstein it follows the large number of sexual misconduct claims against him Time now for the. Thoughts with. Everton manager Ronald Koeman admits his side's two one Europa League defeat at home to Leon puts his job under greater scrutiny the Toffees remain bottom of Group without a victory in the group stage and says they had no luck on the night before it was on the level in the first cell a lot of mistakes lot of those players without any confidence so put off much better we've fought for everything we've got a good goal it's all good chances are lucky we live in the luck is that of two one up. One to the last boss Arsene Wenger praised his players' characters as they made it three wins from three in Group H. Alleviate scored six minutes from time as the Gunners won one nil away at Red Star Belgrade it was a very different game behind to institute a very heated supportive atmosphere for local team and we. Kept going and try to win the game and very much work interims the threat against starting who was always dangerous on contract arc Well Arsenal are top of the group five points ahead of Boris of Scotland's women came from behind to be Bellerose two one in their opening World Cup qualifier Manchester City's Jane Ross scoring for Scotland and then and only goal proving to be the winner the Football Association is to investigate England women's coach Leigh Kendall's alleged unacceptable behavior towards any A Luko The announcement comes a day after the F.A. Apologised to the striker for racially discriminatory remarks by former England boss Mark Sampson the former England manager Roy Hodgson says the governing body does need to be accountable I'm afraid that every toy there is a situation where people are being asked to defend themselves in a situation like the one that they find themselves in it's got to be regarded of course as damaging but. 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On a. Cross the U.K. This is B.B.C. Five. Weeks went by in July this year Vanessa O'Brien became the first British woman to scale the second tallest mountain in the world K two it's known as the savage mountain because of its technical challenges and one in full climbers who some of the peak will die on the way down well Vanessa's actually got you nationality British Asian American which explains the accident I spoke to a little earlier I am the third British woman to stand on the summit of K two the question is how do you define climbed or conquered ha and this goes back a little bit to Sir Edmund Hillary who always defined a full climb or conquering of a mountain as coming back round trip. That she had to live to see the full thing and come round trip and part of it was what certain Hillary was protecting which was you know the ascent of Evarist. And whether Mallory or Irving might have gotten there first. So there's a little bit of that there but I think in nearing. Lore you know if you go back through time you'll find that a lot of people. Along the hard line will look at it as. That you have to go round trip so that's where that comes from. But I have a lot of respect for my two peers who were certainly there at the summit before me who would not make it back yeah they didn't make it back so in one nine hundred eighty six which believe it or not one thousand nine hundred eighty six and that is so recent let me tell you how recent one thousand nine hundred six is just to remind your listeners that was the year of the film Top Gun. That was the the year that rocked me Amadeus his song of the year is how frequent and new one thousand nine hundred six was that is the first year that not only a woman became the first woman to climb K two but we lost two women to climb K two that year and one of them was Britain's Julie Tellus. The second time we lost a Brit British woman was one nine hundred ninety five and that was Alison Hargreaves. So in fact in the history of time and even till today I am the twentieth woman to stand on the summit of K two. But there and the third British woman if you will to stand on this the summit. Of K two but twentieth woman overall . She. Sounds confusing no no no it's not confusing I was just wondering how sad it is even though it was so recent relatively recently that we lost these two peers of yours from climbing the mountain how quickly we forget these things I seem to remember now that you say you triggered my imagination that we did lose some climbers on K two previously but you know I was at university of a time trying to get degrees what did I know about mountaineering when you bring it back up again it's actually quite sad isn't it the. People who would have been on the level of Edmund Hillary or otherwise in terms of what they quickly forgotten if they didn't come Korea in the way that Hillary defines it as you as you put it well what is so treacherous about K two the the dissent has claimed two great British climbers Well actually it's it's. It's not necessarily K two it's any eight thousand meter peak of which there's fourteen in the world there are fourteen eight thousand meter peaks and that's it they're all in Asia so if you want height or you want to climb the big boys that's where they are you can't find them anywhere in the world and you have to count to about one hundred ten until you get out of Asia and then you're in the Andres and so all of the height in the world if you want mountains you look to that side. And it's it's those in particular that cause harm because they are so high you are climbing at just the very very well let me say you could say the bottom of the strap stratosphere or the very very top of the troposphere So the very very that the troposphere and everything below is where all the weather patterns take place. All the. It's all the jet streams everything that we know as a weather pattern so when you're at the very very top of that and these jet streams these winds are you know one hundred kilometers two hundred kilometers an hour you can't stand there I mean that's that will just pick you up and drop you down you know. Ten thousand meters right I mean you know it's. These winds are so strong you can't possibly withstand them so you're battling forces much stronger than you know a human being. And that's what I find actually most difficult of the winds but you also have precipitation you have very very deep snow you have you know white out conditions. You know hazardous conditions like avalanches you have crosses all of these things work against you to create something that is just so hard to to get to the top of much less get down and it takes some effort actually to get to the top because of course you're working against gravity but it takes very very little effort to fall down. Especially after sixteen hours and you know when you're extremely deep hydrated and tired and. You know you've given all of your energy to get to say that the sun that. And that's why eighty five percent of accidents happen and ascent. Does that play all yo ma and as you're climbing up does that fuel play on your mind what goes up must come down I still have to my great challenges coming down should see the region that's up it does and so you know another way to ask that question is you know what do you do at the summit and you know only in films do you see the high fives in the you know dancing up and down and you know that Hollywood moment in reality you arrive knackered and you hopefully get a good enough date where you can take a summit photo. Maybe a photo of you know a flag and a picture but you are programmed as a mountaineer to know that you are half way and half way is you know nothing fifty percent nothing. And you know like ourselves where we really throw the do needle in took quite a bit of wrist to get there after our third season. You know we were coming down in the dark so you know there's a whole lot of. You know I guess apprehension about descending because we know that most of the work is ahead of us not behind us also we we yes I was a team of twelve does that count and still. Well each person you know it's funny in the old days teams teams were registered Well I guess always. You know one country at a time could register in the in the old days so you know like the one nine hundred fifty three every sex petition that was a you know a British registered expedition that was Swiss before that. You know so countries would register in. Certain days for certain years and Katie was not dissimilar you had British expeditions you had American expeditions you had you know the first expedition to conquer Haiti was technically Italian. In one nine hundred fifty four so but. The summit certificates are are given out to individual names. So you know the twelve individuals who somebody's K. To this year receive a sum certificate in each of their names. So even though we register as an expedition group. And say I am the expedition leader of which I was it each individual member of that team gets a certificate if they stood on the summit. Because different is one of the challenges that of a thousand me to be exposed cage shoes known as the savage mountain and I'm presuming that's not for nothing yeah that's that's it gets that reputed to reputation primarily from the statistics so for every four they climb one dies. And that's there's eighty four individuals who have died at the Gilkey Memorial which is that the base of K two I did a lot of work there the previous year I went with a Scottish climber last year by Gilbert she and I went and took inventory of all the names of the previous people who had climbed before us and found twenty missing plaques and those plaques happen to have they have. Dated back something like thirty seven years across thirteen nationalities. And so I went and I had them engraved in WA append the which is used to be an old military base in Pakistan and I brought them back this year and hung them at the Gilkey memorial so that we could have every climber that had lost their lives represented and I feel strongly about that because for me. These are the real pioneers and here as they came before me that took the risk you know using inferior equipment no weather data sometimes no oxygen and you know they had very little information and they really climbed in what I consider although I had really bad conditions they had much less information so I have a lot of respect for all of them and you know it's a pleasure and an honor to be able to go and pay respect to them well kind of the solution is joking about is it weather patterns not kind of yeah yeah absolutely you know anything from logistics to weather to you know anything that might have improved with technology even the materials that we used to day that help us you know stay warmer wicking you know all of these things I think help us you know everything not every year but every couple of years I think there's advancements that probably enhance the extreme environments in which we find ourselves. But then it's like as opposed to running the four hundred beaches or the marathon in an in an imperfect so that may be the train is the running shoes might get mold cynically That's a design wise but it's still hard work is let him go yeah there's no doubt about it and you still have to you're still going you know a kilometer is up. And you have to climb there's a climbers nobody's going to climb that for you that she or those are your feet and arguably you'll feet amongst other things is you're also the oldest woman survived in the rabbit I mean not only to advertise but I do. I knew you were going to say that you know I was thinking about my wife I was thinking would she like me to mention that I haven't said how you could be twenty four For all we know it was so right there so somehow it's clearly distinguished from and then to be able to you know kind of make that plain I don't know you got me you got me you know but I haven't seen it work on women so well and I knew I know every decade is the decade younger you know it's like you know gray is the new black or black is that Israel or whatever it just it's never quite Your be that ways to know that I'm older than you OK That sets the record straight OK I have however the point I was trying to break is that the challenges don't diminish do they the mountain is still savage and with all the technology that you can revert to as you said your said was probably more treacherous than other people a dog so technology can help just that point but there is still a challenge to get out there and it's still a challenge to get out there in the way that you got up there well let's say this we can say this absolutely unconditionally. A higher age will not help you. So that will work against you the only way it can possibly help you is you have more experience to come down. Was not important because you know there's a there's. There's a lot of time when you know weather will come in it will make delays. You know unexpected laze can occur something like that and I think if you're younger. There's the sense of wanting everything to happen now that's what the youngest like right I mean they they want it now and they cannot stand when things don't happen and you know now or there's that there's a delay and the battery dies whereas the entertainment you know you've got to quiet the mind so if you have if you're a little bit older at least you have the capability to just you know relax and not make rash decisions but yeah and just you know just chill you know it's OK to you know let a little bit of time pass not rush things you know the mountain teaches you you're not in control that's the number one rule and you don't make the rules don't make the rules so it's you have to you know forego that there's somebody you know someone. A deity higher mean and you know almost become. More in tune to the fact that you cannot micromanage everything that's but take place in those terms I wonder if anybody ever really conquers amounts and it feels to me like you're the cowboy the road who manages to sit on the bucking horse and the bucking horse is OK I will have my day may not be with you but be the next one is the drugs ride me but I will have my day you know I think that's a great analogy because you know if the if the bucking horse is the mountain and let's say it Thursday off by an avalanche You know sometimes it will allow you to summit and sometimes it won't it completely depends and it's random so it doesn't and that's that's the funny thing is there was a great phrase I think was Reinhold Messner he said mountains not it's are not tattooed he said he said mountains are not fair or unfair they're just dangerous. So you should never take it personally whether you Summit or don't summit it's not that you're a good or a bad mountaineer. They're just dangerous and maybe you were lucky you know maybe the weather worked out for you you know. Maybe you were technically brilliant over this particular passage but you don't never never think that you have a you know a seeker lation ship with the mountain it just doesn't work that way there is a moment there isn't there you've mentioned how treacherous the summit is but there must be a moment when you reach there you've got no nowhere else to go upwards and something I imagine comes out of you what. As you flew. You know I don't think those feelings are so much on the summit I think it those are sort of Rights of Passage you know what one of the things I was thinking was because the conditions were so terrible on the way up. I caught I called it sort of Dantes inferno and it was almost like for every one hundred meters of those thousand meters there were the nine circles it was like a passage but at the summit it was a bright bluebird day and it was almost like a test like were you going to be able to get through this test and if you did get through the test and you were willing to persevere then I will show you a mountain top of the summit that has blue skies. And that's when you'll have your meltdown. So you know and it could be any number of things that could be should I turn back and you know questioning whether the avalanche will happen and versus how much time your progress you're making in you know a question all sorts of things you know of course you'll have those conversations because any rational person would it's over sixteen hours as if you ever stood still for sixteen hours that's incredibly long and incredibly boring. And you don't have to have fun to have fun and you're sitting there and in sort of a queue of twelve other people and looking around to make sure everybody else is kind of OK in the middle of this white out that nobody's acting sloppy or slipping or falling or act you know kind of signs of high altitude is when they start to look like they had a little too much to drink sear looking for signs of people looking like they might be in trouble and you know if you have to take them down or maybe administer High Altitude Medicine. But I didn't see any of that but I had the strongest team I've ever climbed with the seas and absolutely and they were from China from Iceland. From places that are really comfortable with cold extreme weather unfortunately Vanessa we have come to the summit of this conversation I do feel euphoric actually However now comes the treacherous descent remember the very beginning the descent takes you back to where you started from and the very beginning of this conversation I was she whether you are definitively the first British woman to have conquered areas or Everest I said if you are definitively the first British woman to have conquered Katie and you and you say that's a great question because there were these people who were there before you but whether you define them as concrete because they didn't survive the ascent or not. Actually the Great question is whether you were the first British woman to have conquered Everest the list is keenly would have heard that you've got something of a Twining whether from the I was side of the Atlantic Yankee was or otherwise yeah . Yep so so I think I have a dual national citizenship I've been married to a British citizen for twenty years so I I live here oh well you're one of us that I'm yeah I'm one of you. So yes I have a British passport and I carry the new jack to the summit along with the UN Women and I would like to have as we were very very proud to do so and we're so glad that you carried the Union Jack is that of the stars and stripes I think you yeah Brian they're one of us the first British woman to be set scale the second tallest mountain in the world and come down to tell the tale as she pointed out that she could have been an American in which case desiccant theory Narron the pyramid the Washington Post would be talking about her I don't doubt said he was making your paper this one he does a good. Oh be we're talking about well some clear the president charm which seems to have to wear precisely out here what happened today was Trump's chief of staff of. Marine general had to come in front of reporters to basically defend the president to say president's call to the widow of a U.S. Soldier was killed in Niger earlier this month was not bad and he did his best stand. I tell people that it is a difficult thing and all the presidents can do it and I actually advised him against doing it and so he went to handle it does make them a brave man it was very remarkable because this story has been going on for Monday when reporters asked Trump during a press conference at the White House why he has been quiet all that for twelve days as attack happened in Niger on the folds of this and then he said Yeah I have a written letters which is good to go out this weekend and we calling up people and talk to the. Relative he didn't just stop a doctor he said I'm doing more than what my previous says. Barack Obama or George W. Bush did it that kind of set off a whole debate and then. Pulled back very quickly from that position about he was yeah he was yeah he was he was asked to be directly against say I don't know about it I just go by what everyone told me but the problem was that next day congresswoman was in the car with the little young widow is the man was twenty five years old and she the widow was twenty one years old and she had just brought home the body to. And he spoke to her in the car and a congresswoman was with her and she said wasn't the congresswoman surgeon tribute was the congresswoman that was with it was the it was the words mother in law was on the stand in those in the kernel of the coincidence there was one was all and right it was you know which is yes that's what happened she said to put it on speak on so she. I was just said the president was saying that. He actually signed up for it and then today Kelly actually said he gave him those words because he said that's what it say because you don't know what to tell these people you can say he signed up for eternity expect this he was there what he wanted to do and with the people he wanted to be he knew what he signed up for essentially the the dead soldier knew what he had signed up for which essentially the he knew he signed up for death yet signed up yeah he knew what he was getting into That's what it meant but the thing is. Maybe Kelly was saying it in a more live polished way of Trump and then do it back well and a phone call and but Trump immediately said the congressman was fabricating the whole quotes and he says I didn't say what it was you set but today Kelly actually confirmed that this is what he said but he also criticized Congresswoman he actually said I was stunned to see that she was actually listening in on the car even though Kelly was listening at on this side of the White House and Trump us talking so so let me just get this right now the important question is the president denied that he said those words he said there was evidence to prove he did not yeah those words where are we the most then we very well there's no yesterday it the White House spokeswoman said no they don't have any recording at all right but it all of this call so we don't have to call it is John's is John Kelly saying the president did say those words yes he said because he said he said he gave in those webs you suggest that these are the things he asked the president asked him what he would think I should say he said and this is what I said to. Some people are asked and you can do the same thing so the problem is Kelly lost a son seven years ago in Afghanistan and he has been a former Marine general so he carries a lot of strength in talking about it so that kind of help the problem is you need to get all the people around him to come in and run them all right so the president did say those words we've had confirmation from within the White House of the president. And at least one person from the white so so the president learned that he didn't say those words yeah he doesn't say you. Don't have. Been misspoke at all you just turned one to go it's not exactly confusing trust with Washington I'm sorry George Washington was the president to tell you never mind Jessica thank you just going through and appear Rahm of The Washington Post. For news. Than anyone else this is received through called Good morning this is up or not I'm far from gotten at it by the main use this on to raise and I ask the E.U. 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To do with whether it be a television a telephone a computer or otherwise you get the drift any technique technique Tech me or even techie kind of issues a very good morning good morning morning to you how are you I'm very well thanks very much so listen talk about first of all and I know that you were to talk about a few things if you'll just let me remind listeners the number to call is zero eight zero eight five nine one six nine three you've got the way for us. I do it's . An expansion card from a company called transcend expansion coverage so yeah OK so let me explain So first of all companies who transcends it but it's T.R.A. M S C E N D Just if you John look it up so if you're out of a MacBook computer you might find that you've had it for a few years it's you start to think about whether I should upgrade or not the not very easy to upgrade except for the fact that some of the math books some of them at book as and some of them are pros have got a. Little card slot in it you know Typically this will cause you take from a S.D. Card from a camera or something like that and yes use a transfer pictures but what trance and have done is they've created. Something called the jet drive light and what it does is it fits into that stock but it I'm like a normal car that sort of sticks out this one sits flush it's made for each Pacific model so you buy the one for your particular computer it sits completely flush and expands the internal memory so you can either have an extra sixty four gigabytes hundred twenty eight gigabytes even two hundred fifty six gigabytes of means one of these cards could effectively double the internal storage and. People finding. That's quite useful because they're running out of space things like the i Tunes library itself tends to expand you have a large library Pod Corsa whatever want just launch photos are pretty it's a really nice way of expanding a MacBook without it sort of being a sticky car that can get snapped off or taken out and lost it's in there you know you take you so fingernail to pop it out sort of thing it's kind of hard to to get out once he's gone in and that's how it's going to be and it's a very very neat to be spoke solution for how much each You're saying you're saying very very just the way Donald Trump does it which makes me think hang on a second just ten to one flipping second I'm so he also I never had to sorry resent that. I was hoping you would now hang on a second I have. Exactly exactly. Over the years add since confused became part of our household furniture I have been quote expansion cause of one form or another and then found out that actually it is a diminishing returns because basically competes is leap to another generation and if you go trying to update your computer to try and make it work more you actually slipping behind in terms of where you should be with a computer which needs regular updates because it needs more and more memory to incorporate all the things that you know we now have to have with our computers and so on so where is one supported so I'm a computer my first computer I had something like twenty megabyte hard drive a kid you know and so forth mega by random measurements and palm punched paper tape . It was in those days compared to now and cost me a thousand pounds in those days by the way this is not a business but then you know you kept trying to expand it buying expansion cause or whatever to make it quick and what I didn't realize was everybody else was they've got their money to buy the next. Ration computers which would take you where those expensive cars are taken in any case yet look you're right but that that change actually works to your advantage think about it this way that say you bought the let's say my book air back in twenty eleven at that time the maximum size of internal storage on the hard drive for the S.S.D. That you could have had was two hundred fifty six gigabytes that was you know if you paid top whack so that might you might pay say two thousand pounds for that machine it's physically sound is still sleek it's likely to be working without you know without a faulty you know they were very robustly built and a nice a cable to move all of the modern back my MacBook as the back makes my work as pie the way but two hundred fifty six think about it's now you could say OK well it's you know five six years old time to get another one or you could spend somewhere between forty and one hundred fifty pounds so if you spent say one hundred fifty pounds you could double the internal stories to two hundred fifty six K. Go by it's it's not going to be quite as quick as the internal solid state drive but to be honest with you if you're operating system is all still on the original S.S.D. The original solid state drive this is a very useful way to to store other other data peep photos or videos or as I say you are Tunes library whatever it is and you don't read it you'd have to sort of do a benchmark to notice the difference in the real world the reality is that you've given that machine a mid-life kick so it will go maybe another year or two years or three years with that extra capacity that you've given it yes it's not going to be faster than it was before but it will be more useful OK I normally would not say issue with faves everybody knows that because he is the gadget detective whereas I'm just the numb see when it comes to technological stuff however on this one occasion Xenia about me. Suggesting that he was like Donald Trump on this one occasion I'm going to throw out there was something you know in this one occasion one occasion only on EVERY out there it's all you geeks listing I'm sorry everybody else but this one is for the geeks in particular because they're the ones who will know what I mean come on let me know. Five nine or nine six nine three would you save your money for a new generation of computers or you one of these Luddites who believes what favors the saying about expansion cards giving your computer a midlife lease of life good to tell me well eight five nine and six nine three OK I can write Can I Just what are you going to back out of it now oh now I'm back out there I'm no I'm sticking to my guns man you could well put your forty nine thousand one hundred fifty pounds towards him in your back but you're going to be waiting a long time for near that it might be that I might go some way towards the insurance on the right book yeah OK Well leave it to the gigs listening to give me a call on that oh eight zero eight five nine or nine says Nancy of course everybody else can join in as well by giving fans the call and asking them to solve any issues that you have your techie Garrett everything to why he thinks he'll be all right will be around midnight Trust me about this is a question from Steve in AM she says was the best laptop on the market for around five hundred pounds please and this is for work not for play OK It depends what what you want it's a bit like saying what's the best car on the market for a so it depends what you need what you know what you desire are all the law for five hundred quid. You can get a car for five and you know everyone here. You go I got you got it I say and you got me back I give you a change on a five hundred pounds so. Let's maybe look at giving you some some tips so we're I'm assuming we're looking at a Windows machine so it will have Windows ten on it I'll give you some ideas of the specifications that you could make expect few money so in terms of the process if we're talking about for example an Intel processor you'd be too. About typically an Intel five process I think for five hundred you could avoid the I three S. Which are nice but a little bit slower in terms of the amount of memory you'd be looking at I'd say these days a minimum of eight gigabytes of memory and Ideally choose a machine that has got expandability so. This is tricky because if you're off to one of these sort of ultra light white ones then they tend to have the memory sold on to the make main circuit board not always but usually However if you can find one that is great to pull then ideally one that's got at least eight gigabytes in it but it's expandable to say sixteen and the play has a go that you didn't have. Someone has a slot in the side of the so in terms of that now. As importantly is the amount of memory the fact is these days you don't want to be pointing at a laptop with a conventional hard drive in that's to say one that has a rotating disk inside it because they all slobber they have they maybe have a slightly high capacity still but they're all slow and hacky in transit you have to switch on air the whirring noise or can you just ask does every day you'd look at the specification it would typically if it's cos of the state drive it wouldn't normally say S.S.D. Or solid state drive get one get as one with a solid state drive with a minimum of two hundred fifty or two hundred fifty six gigabytes of storage that's really the minimum that you want to be looking at in terms of having enough space for your operating system and most of your files as well so that make that S.S.D. Makes such a big difference for especially for a laptop computers first of all much much faster secondly more robust because there's no moving parts if it gets dropped on nudged it's more likely to survive because they're on the moving parts it draws less power which means that the batteries last longer per charge and because it's drawing less parent means there's less heat. Is a good thing and therefore less noise as well so you know all round important specially in a laptop computer or not but computer to have a solid state drive so those are the main thrusts I would be looking for if for example you were interested in gaming and why I came in I mean sort of the latest of the three D. Games the ones are graphically very demanding then instead of getting a laptop that just has relies upon the built in graphics chip on the Intel I five processor you could get one with an additional graphics circuit built in then that's what people who as I say want to do a little bit more than sort of basic games on their. So it does depend and that's why I was alluding to the beginning as you know it depends what you need depends what you want to do with it if you're looking for office applications you know spreadsheets of work processes that sort of thing you don't need. Some of the ads on process a bill has been staved Hampshire has said quite clearly is this for work reasons has got the time to yes from playing so there is no then to guess and then the other issue is why now so then the other issues to consider is what sort of screen size do you want obviously the smaller the screen size that say thirteen it's all about since screen that makes the machine more portable because not only is the screen small Everything is small it tends to be a small item machine if you go up to say fifteen or fifteen point six inch screen size that's going to add you know a good half a kilo to a kilo to the white of the machine but make that it will make the screen more usable and some people to rely upon the screen that's built in others say look it's very important that it's a light weight machine that I can use on the go but at the same time when I'm at my office are just going to plug into a large you know twenty seven inch monitor or something like that and then have the best of both worlds so those are those are the things to consider what screen size do I need does it need to be lightweight and things would you go forward to that I mean considering that five hundred pounds I would look at something like some of the tell inspire on computers that they're quite good some of the basis computers are very well built as well some of the H.P.'s and not just I say some of because all these manufacturers can make some remarkably good computers and they will have computers in their range which are not as good but if you if you kind of stick to the principles that I've laid out for you and the only other thing I ses try to get it a balance specification and by that I mean don't sync all the money into the sort of mess we spying on. Seven processor at the expense of the others computers are only as fast as its weakest link so the idea is to cap a sort of spread money across all those components. In a way that none of them is an obvious bottleneck to you to the speed and reliability of your computer and the only on thing I would say is you know consider if there's a if there was a cost effective way of getting yourself an extended warranty you know maybe taking one year up to three years without If it doesn't cost you a lot extra It's especially if it's for business use because then you know you might write off the computer for tax purposes over a three year period so it would be good to know that it's going to be a viable computer over three period I bought a boat a washing machine you have it right and I paid extra for the one that had a ten year warranty on it because although it cost me a shot I don't know I can I can effectively write off fact that washing machine you know in terms of my cost for tax but for cost I can buy that all five say a ten year period instead of a five year period I know of you know all things being equal to that machine should should survive the ten years. OK No eight five nine And once you stand three where are all my gigs when I want them. Oh wait oh wait no one coming to your aid Oh wait wait fire and I say I've missed you sorry I have this. Week we were we started back again exactly where we left off no it's. All going to I was about you know not doing well and hearing in having differences of opinion I goes I was dignify that with the expression on human. Error saying the way that you're going to. Get it that's what most men are this way when it comes to technology and questions of exactly that there are different ways is getting cash so just take as it were and you know people have differences of opinion but they weigh the difference of opinion that I have is I still think you're better off. Weighting your time and investing in a new generation computer than trying to crank the midlife crisis out of a. Computer by expanding it putting in all these expanding what you call them expanding well as an expansion card expansion cards I think there's a risk there is a point at which that becomes absolutely true you know and I say that often when people got machine that's broken down and do you want to be throwing good money at that and often I'll say to someone you know don't spend more than fifty to seventy five pounds on a repair if you goes up say above one hundred better off putting that towards a new computer even if the new one cost you three hundred or four hundred pounds so there is a point but I think particularly with the map books there on how cheap books you know that they're all expensive I mean all right you get a lot you know build quality and so for pretty much money but in a way for a lot of people you know if you know after the you don't need the high spec Yeah I've got five six year old machine I grew run a current operating system and it still looks upon it still well built and what's the point of getting a machine that's really well Bill last forever if you're going to replace every couple you know that's going on but you know so I'm to see. Something of the you to it's good for you it's a question of where where where your argument starts to take hold I would say your argument starts to take hold if you were starting to spend two hundred fifty three hundred or more pounds because then that is just you know some proportion of a new book but I just I didn't question tens or hundreds of pounds on and on an expansion card that's just not going to get you very far towards a new machine friend I mean even if you one more thing even if you buy the new machine it's can be worth you know giving the old one a bump and you know passing that on to a family member or just using it as a secondary machine Yeah you know it's not very environmentally sound of you frankly taught and tend to tell people just to trash the machine. He's got a low blow brother that was such a thing. Anyway so I'm sorry he started we don't have chump I mean you know I have . Zero eight zero eight five nine hundred sixty nine three good friends he called police and be on my side when you do Chris in both of the question of Mack books. He say yet tech guys have the right if you buy say a Dell that is bog standard he works well if you buy well with an unusual proper see such as ultra H.D. You get loads of problems for that privilege OK OK Also this is from Travis who says on the question of macros I bought a two thousand pound MacBook Pro in February last year how long will Apple Support sit for with updates. Well so it's a question of how long it will continue to be able to run the latest operating system I mean typically I mean. That they're all say twenty twenty ten max still running quite happily so I would say you should be able to expect maybe six or seven years of updates to the machine you've bought wisely and you've bought one with enough memory often what happens is that sometimes it's not that it won't run the operating system but even if it does you know by the time you're running the operating system and the applications on top of that that you want the performance isn't as great as as you'd like it to be I think that there's more of a problem when it comes to Apple equipment with with the i O. S. Devices the i Phones and the i Pads they can become obsolete more quickly it's possible to have a you know three year old US device that you know struggles to run the latest operating system and that is a problem because you don't get the security updates and you know the case in point is that she's someone on my Twitter feed said said this would be a few hours ago they said look I've been holding off putting IOS eleven on my i Phone because frankly it's got a lot of bugs in it but now I'm worried because of this vote and this vulnerability that's been reported on recently called crack where they found out that the way in which we secure our wife my connection something called W.P.A. Two which is meant to be very secure has got an intrinsic faults in it that means that it's possible that that folk can be used to to allow people access to the data the wireless data flow between you and your router or you and your wife on hotspot when you're out in the pouts and then said Look have say you've said to us go to Iowa seven get them sort out a few more of the bugs and I say yes but today I read. That. Apple have. Patched for this crack problem that's cracked with a K. . But I believe that they've only done so. The latest piece of version of the US eleven and whether we can to get that patch for the R. If i Phones and i Pads are stuck on I was ten or even I must nine is not clear to me so hold the thought Hold the thought on three six and seven years have you have little or so the question was actually from Craig in La Rochelle in France who got John in Brighton with us and good morning John all right don't we spot little guys girl I'm very well Sal Yeah well served by the center of also went very well elbow I'm sorry to hear that it was it's good to speak to now the case to tell you book for you know Roy the bomb itself a new model five now on Conte site. By so you ought to be able to. Get London well with the reasonable cross amount of bytes on it. What is the best one for me because well you remind me of a long. Term how you know you know one pound a night just takes the little guy you know while they do the job. Yet I throw the chill but if you want to cite numbers really can't say don't. You don't know what you know it would that I'm saying it could be pretty screwed up if you go you know what it yeah yeah OK So so John. Thanks for the question by the way because of that I think that's going to be useful question for a lot of people there are Century two ways that you can go out this you need to get a simple norm small phone in the has real buttons that you can feel your way through and he simply Yeah he's there full relatively simple to use. One that you know has you know buttons to call people that you know maybe buttons to call the people that you want to be has called on S.O.S. Button on the back that sort of thing simple cheap easy to use. Some of the best phones of that type are made by specialist company called Dora D. . And. Yes I think the Swedish but they specialize in in phones either for older people or people with sight side problems as well yeah so and those phones you that you can actually you need to buy them online be very cheap by mean high street stores as well so not not necessarily widely stopped by the the phone shops themselves but you know department stores are never knowing on the sold for example carry them others yeah to them as well so that's one approach they do smartphones as well but they're probably best known for that that a cool feature phones are the norm small fund So that's one where you can go and there are you know there are many Mikes and many good ones but the door of people they tend to specialize in that sort of thing the alternative is to go as you've alluded to for small phone which has. One of one's accessibility options so all right you might not be able to see the last screen but these are effectively handheld computers that also happen to my phone calls and you know you can if you can i Phone for example have voice voice commands in it under System time to Siri and you can you can ask Siri to talk telephone numbers for you Are you well yeah and it's very easy on those devices if you just swipe down with two fingers it just read to the contents of the screen you know. You want to download it you just want to watch Yeah yeah so you tell it's open an app you can do that by voice you can you can swipe down having read what's on the screen and that could be an article but it could just be the various options on the screen as well Apple and so these accessibility options that exist both on Apple devices but also similar options all at once running Google's Android operating system does so fun to get on the side of this so these are fun so by lots of other people so the Apple stuff is so the OK this is a matter of opinion a kind others will who will disagree here both good in my view the apple's the apple accessibility options are little bit better. And I also am being told this by by people who who have sight loss yeah the people generally find it better but most things can be achieved. You know just about as well on Google based phones society and also you will almost want to talk a little right yeah yeah yeah. Well Bell but I'd like to be able to say we're all going to write yeah it's all right well the elders say if I was to write I was a very quiet the probably guy. It's wonderful site Yeah because we don't use size of the frequencies as well you know up on. I mean so we're talking about you know broadcast radio stations Yes well I'm right you know I'm an arcade so yeah OK well . I mean the good thing is once you're into sort smartphone territory that has an app for most anything that you want to do. So you'll be able to experiment with also what sorts of things but I sort of couch come on that I mean these are not these are not cheap phones so you you know make sure if you get a fire like that it's in short Also if you do join if you do take the plunge and you spend you know you know some significant amount of cash on a smartphone that are two or three hundred quid Yeah so so get it I mean if you were going to get an i Phone I mean if you if you not cite it I would say that a good choice of phone in the i Phone range would be an i Phone se because the i Phone Ses that the smaller five mins physically smaller but they've got you know all the power that you need to to run you know all the modern apps in the modern operating system and so forth and if you don't need to launch screen then you know why why why pay for one as it were that that's the most affordable i Phone But having said that i Phones are cheap Yeah they're not cheap now but you can you can get my thing for three hundred four hundred three hundred something for still largely by the way that during your I is a Swedish company John thanks love the cold has got alleged five other headlines not. 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Five Live all night with docility by if it is with us did he tell you this one if you like to join in the conversation we're asking him oh your questions about techie problems to do to your mobile phone your computer how you'd Sally your radio etc etc etc Give me a call number eight zero eight five nine zero nine six nine three billion more than Ali with us from Good morning Bill it came online morning Billy morning. A question I just I have and it's a. Prop farm and I have been told their computers Christ almighty. Told us a graphics card. I wonder as a way I can. Shoot from the heart. But I go to an expensive process so I'm going to R.T. Your three years for my Yeah. So I you are you of the view that this machine is not an economic repair you know and they get it up and running again knowing the. New graphics card cost more than a new computer yeah OK All right so. So. They're all ways in which you can you can get that information out but it does need to certain amount of technical know how and. If the information on the hard drive is you know precious to you either. In monetary terms or other terms then it can be worth spending sort of fifty pounds to get someone to to transfer that that that right to safely if you wanted to do it yourself then that. Is the case at this computer doesn't boot up at all doesn't start up just. So so the way to do it would be to extract the internal hard drive from this and sometimes that can be quite easy or not depends on the design of the machine sometimes it's as easy as a couple screws and out out out it slides as it were but sometimes you have to you know take off the the back and you know every two around inside the bracket once you've got that drive out you would then buy the little caddy that might cost you say ten pounds that converts the the connection type which will be probably a Saturn connector that's a type of connector of the hard drive that's how the hard drive connects to the computer you put in a little caddy slides in and then it becomes an external U.S.B. Drive and although you were actually able to use it I mean I'm assuming the hard drive is still working because you're telling me it was a graphics card very similar and it probably just card and it probably is but just be aware that sometimes one folk can lead to another but you know I hope in all likelihood some hold of the data is still there so you would pop out the card put it in a caddy that allows you to treat it as a U.S.B. External drive you then plug it as an external drive into the U.S.B. Socket of a working computer and copy across the data ignore the operating system because you're not relying on Windows Vista to start up again all you are saying is in addition to all those operating system files are my precious photos or my manuscript I've been working on for twelve years whatever it is you can copy those files across onto a new computer and. By the way for those running Vista or earlier as well Vista is no longer supported operating system by point I want I realize. It will just wow. Those tears and sorry you know if you're running Windows ten twelve I'd be quite interested in that big box and if. You could money to have a look at when I was twelve. Yeah I think that would be the way to do it now if you say well you know it be nice to have to tell you to buy I don't really want to spend you know you know it doesn't matter if I lose it then fair enough have a crack at it yourself it's quite instructive thing to do however if if there are sort of family photos of you know the OR it replaceable or anything like that is the manuscript I was more worried about the manuscript family photograph Yeah yeah I know it was the manuscript you know it's like you know the body it's amazing how many of us have got you know really precious things on the hard drives and it's true no no backup no meaningful pack up by that I mean we will learn that eventually because there's no question of. IF but WHEN YOU as the hard drives to file and they even S.S.T. As you know the solid state wants the people the people when you don't use them and Billy thank you very much for this question well it's not a question this statement says it starts off can favors the help. Docs and what do you think it's a simple binary question yes or not I can help we'll come back to that question the moment you don't worry Brian in Rush Farnham in Dublin says to the environmentally unsound Datsun I suppose that's me it's not me. I don't have to stick with you that Vahey the environment's the other sound also you please also the environmentally sound then see if there will ever be a Windows eleven No Will they just continued to create updates for Windows ten indefinitely as you've just been talking with Billy about I think it will be Windows ten for a long time so you know you know we had Windows seven Windows eight there was no Windows nine from the enough. In the same way that there's no i Phone nine we've got an i Phone at eight and in the i Phone ten round the corner but now yeah I think and I mean I think the best analogy for this was it was it was what was known as macro S ten which went on for years and then was given names of sort of you know Lion Mountain Lion you know in the city although there's a. It will probably go on for a long time because the way in which. Microsoft of viewing windows ten is different to other operating systems so that there century when you get Windows ten Your effectively saying I accept that Microsoft are going to take over the mention mint of this operating system and they will stream updates to you without you necessarily even knowing it Oracene for them for goodness sake a lot of people got Windows ten forced upon them without them even wanting it and they would just do that and there are benefits to them in doing that because they're changing their business model that used to be that Microsoft made their money by selling you a new version of the operating system you know they did because charge you know a lot of money for you know Windows X.P. As opposed to Windows ninety eight C. Or whatever it was they'd be they'd be making a lot of money but fortunately the For them the world has changed you know Google's Android is in quotes free Apple doesn't charge separately for its I.O.'s operating systems all these mobile platforms suddenly have operating systems that don't appear to have a charge for them of course nothing is really free and in the case of say Android you know it's basically a data collection device fought for Google the way they use it to learn a lot about you that's why they they give away this operating system and in a similar way. Microsoft who spent many years poking at Google fault for collecting data on its users is now doing exactly the same thing and Microsoft Windows ten is this operating system which is some kind of one of the most sort of spying pieces of software that you'll ever run on any device you know in in the form when you first get a machine with Windows ten on it you're machine will be fixed leaking information about you two to Microsoft every at every turn a lot of features like Cortana which is their equivalent of Siri you know this voice entity that lives this you know disembodied intelligence of theirs inside your computer the. All of these things won't even work unless you give it information about your location so yes it will stay with those ten for quite a while OK John in South Wales is with us good morning John. Hello Dalton How's it going I am it's going very well thank you good speech it OK Are you two you've got Thanks here you know I always thought you know John because he charges book by the Is it by the gigabyte that you charge fifty. In a mag I had she has actually has as is my advice and nothing comes Shay no selfing is a cheap techie guy you know what I mean John. Yeah. John how can I help OK Well Tom I feel I've got some songs from you know only a subset of all the phones from box where I've been a month or more go into one locks. So I bought it they said the phones are not well I am not a phone number that's. They say you've got an Italian phone. I am me called on the serial number so that is destined for the challenge market. So I was so I was. While on the phone. Scotty essentially so I'm conscious I still why I can't get a straight answer because if I talk to the people on the SOL They say one thing I'm going to shop they say another thing so I'm just wondering is that possible obviously this is all I would you explain it also so at the moment we're all in the obviously and it's you know it's the single market and you know devices like that to get brought in. From other markets sometimes they're known as Great imports parallel import parallel imports great imports Sometimes this is not a problem I mean is it giving you a particular problem you said that the phone is already unlocked that's not generally a bad thing in and of itself although it may be a clue to its history but is the fact that it's in quotes in Italian phone is that causing you any issues at the moment is there something that you're particularly why we'd about in that sense. Well just the fact that I can understand because when I talk to some some they are definite that the phone is most go to a silly shouldn't be in this country so far as a market is concerned it wouldn't go into serial numbers on a phone and then send a person Yeah I know that they are they saying that for that there's no valid but warranty on it from the manufacturer for example where I mentioned. It and then when I speak to those i Phone different shops of course they go to some sponsored experience shops Yeah some of them are saying there might be an issue with the phone because it's an Italian and it's in Britain. There's a warranty doesn't transfer so I don't know until I take the phone and there is an issue on office just twelve months old now so they want to switch to you. And. There are some strange things almost it's like if I phone up my car key part number you know you got the flex when I got cut own it blacks out I think my hand away it comes alive. GREEN So I don't have such a problem that strokes phone and I could be really quick so it comes back up right and then if I go to catch it again in a bloody great blackout again you're right I could have put it to your I'm not going it to my ex I'm looking not right. Because my the strange thing is I don't like pages I don't know why it be a page or. So OK right John I think the thing is this you've obviously got some concerns about the phone in the way that you just described to me and I asked you well you know are they saying you've got a warranty or not so so the thing to do is to try and call upon the warranty to first who will speak to the people who sold you the phone and ask them you know how they would set about solving you know the issues you've described and let see and what are you float with them you know if they can't offer you an instant fix whether you say well let's take advantage of the warranty and either ask them to do it all or make a warranty claim yourself you will then soon determine whether or not you have a valid warranty because you said you think it should be a two year warranty if you find that you can make a warranty claim all well and good. If you find that you cannot them that's then a basis to go back to the retired and say Hold on I thought I was buying a phone that was probably warranties that being being of you know from the Italian market doesn't in and of itself make it you know illegal to be sold I mean there are. You know there are supermarkets same port jeans from other markets because they're cheaper and sell them here and there's more generally a problem but the manufacturers don't like it but it's not it's not only. Go and in fact trying to stop it may be deemed to be illegal so I think you need to first we need to get a fix for the problems that you're suffering but also you need to put your mind to rest or otherwise to find out whether you've been disadvantaged by the provenance of the phone the fact that it's you know was was meant to be sold and used in due time the market is he sat giving you some disadvantages if if you're suffering by it then I think you've got a basis upon which to go back to to the retired and and you know seek redress and that might be your money back Joe thank you pretty sure that Cole Stephen bristles with us as well Steve good morning good morning about how he writes these very well thank you. I was going back to the point from a couple calls ago. The guy talking about. Windows twelve or Windows ten and yet. You know my heart beats every time someone says when I was told I thought it's not that easy you know. I probably. You know I still run Windows seven yeah which works absolutely perfectly for me you know. I don't it's never been well called an early adopter you know all great so I think it will take you all to get it sorted out. But it still works perfectly fine for me is there any reason for me to even LOOK GREAT into Windows. Not at the moment I mean the majority of the machines I run to and I have a choice of whatever operating system I want to run on it you know I have access to all those operating system the majority of systems I run are Windows seven. I do run Windows ten machines not least because I need to know about Windows ten Otherwise I probably wouldn't bother even with with one Windows ten it's like there's more to say there's anything wrong with it and bear in mind that you know for the for the average consumer when you buy a new Windows machine it's going to come with windows ten yet you know just because that's what they put on it. But if it's doing everything that you want then leave it alone as long as Microsoft are continuing to patch it from a security point of view and we've mentioned Windows X.P. More recently Windows Vista stop being supported only. To Windows Yeah oh no and they are and they will do for some time to come so there's absolutely no reason for most people to switch over and I would say that actually there's quite a lot of reasons not to because Windows tend Although yeah has some benefits most of that sort of stability that you can get with when there's ten comes on machines actually come with windows ten in the first place machines are upgraded from Windows seven to ten yes they can work and they can be fine but often you get compatibility issues you have the drivers don't quite work correctly those of the bits where the you know enable all the components in your computer to work seamlessly with with the new operating system. Now. Great to Windows Yes when that was available Yeah. Well I mean I've been critical of Microsoft for the making it so easy to upgrade from from an earlier point system to ten so upgrading an operating system is like giving a computer a heart and lung transplant it's not a small thing to do and it's something that needs to be thought out. And what people need to do before they upgrade from one operating system to another is they need to think about compatibility for example so if you're running maybe some quite old software maybe an old accounting suite or something like that which is critical to your business for example but may run on seven but may not run on ten then you need to know Similarly if your printer is not going to work properly on the windows ten you need to know so you need to do you know there are some good tools out there to check you know for compatibility issues and sometimes it says incompatible or compatible works but not supported or something like that so I would say a lot of stuff stops working when you go from seven to ten not not not huge amounts but it can be critical things and so and that can be hardware or software so if it's working if you're happy under Windows seven is working it's stable within the site leave it alone you know if you if you want to be a geek comply with it then do it but don't do on a system that you rely upon so in a similar way I have an i Pad I don't rely palm I upgraded that to I were seven did I do that with my i Phone No I didn't because I need that to work reliably and I don't think that's a stable operating system yet so in a similar way I would not upgrade from Windows seven I don't really see as an upgrade other than numerically and until such time as you have a problem and typically that will be when Mark so stop supporting it then it's time to go to to a more recent operating system and is similar why you know a lot of people when they when they stop getting Windows X.P. Supported didn't jump to ten a lot of them found a way of jumping to set them. And preferred it so no no need to do it if you buy a new machine or have it on their own you know you don't need to to do anything about that but I wouldn't be upgrading your machine and I wish I hadn't upgraded from the Apple mat classmates of the two I saw in those days which was the king of the moment anyway thank you for the call Steve Briscoe David in Thailand is with us David good morning. Belonging to new Hanley rather there is a loud and clear little bit of a delay on the live decile good tell you got closer to five seven good. OK great yet where I am a top notch on the line audition tree on top annoying Mark computer in the morning train. Second bring it don't leave police are your telephone number holds for the career E one can begin on the file remember the journey be a program OK Like I said to me I've got a shot of three small old NY actually extinguished by a fall a usable twelve gates explosion killed a cell block. We go too far at least only a change equals a red ball and I charge you connected to the contingent saying no phone on charge everything to and T. The memory I don't need to use I'll delete you don't why emails on an eagle on a hundred photos all that it tells me are money using gig strafe I filled the twelve I think he counted this some high last week for lunch there on the tail end of it on Star So do you know if you've upgraded the version of Android pesticides or pricing system but you're five years running Have you gone through a more recent version than the potion it shipped with. On pretty certain lines because some lawyer servants provide a country Mark Kelly contract. May or may actually tell you that it would still be very great and they get people. To do so so probably for modeling still one hundred but certainly not only yes all. Right it's all right three years ago OK and that that will mean that while she might get new features and you might get new security updates which can be important sometimes newer versions of the or pricing system are more taxing on the device than the older one and that's not a problem if you call a brand new device but if you've got one that's knocking on a bit it can just mean that the device goes from being you know. Quick and agile to being to being slow and you know unbearably sun so it can be that. Sometimes it's possible to roll back but it can be a bit of an issue what I would do are you backing up the phone as a tool on to another device such as a computer. Thank you no longer Well sometimes wired to my computer like you know you're. Going to. Be all dying words I don't do anything. Like oh. Well. You know. How much sort of. I'm sorry David I'm interrupt you. So it's amazing how much sort of craft these are these it's a bit like lint where does it really come from but it sort of accumulates what I would say is there's a complete backup to two of them make sure that you've got everything and make sure that you can restore it once you've done that and you're confident you can get everything back when you need to reset it to factory settings go back to how it shipped as far as you can. Reinstate those groups a false you know I want to time perhaps and put the photos back going to whatever else you want to but also when you when you just see running properly as soon as you've stated. Virgin state thank you very much real on a first time caller and also let me say this slowly enough. Eight. Five. Nine six nine three is our number. Larger. Than anyone else says. They may need them five life to read them a plate dinner in Brussels to help us try to break the deal that she. Said. Is there a full Ronald Koeman as ever to. This is. To resume a. Leaders to work together on a break sit deal she can stand behind and defend Haim addressing her counterparts during a dinner in Brussels the prime minister admitted there had been difficulties but says firm progress is now being made the German chancellor Angela Merkel says these are encouraging signs the great pretender same time as he is signaled by those we see not sufficient to begin with stage two here and now but clearly more than has been the case when we last made a good spirit the good atmosphere of the negotiations will be maintained a major study has concluded that pollution killed more than fifty thousand people in the U.K. In twenty fifth day the report published in The Lancet medical journal looked at the effects of manmade chemicals on people with illnesses such as heart disease and stroke the president of the European Council says the E.U. 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We see a fading confidence in the value of free markets in international trade we've seen the return of isolationist sentiments and all these words we need to recall and recover our own identity and one of the last nine letters to have been written on the Titanic is being put up for auction it was written the day before the disaster in one thousand nine hundred twelve and is the only known letter on headed paper to have gone into the Atlantic and survived is expected to fetch up to eighty thousand pounds his share Joe Celko with the sport Everton's chances of progressing from their Europa League group look slim after a two one home defeat to live on it leaves them bottom after three games that manager Ronald cumin admits it puts his job under increased scrutiny arsenal by contrast are top of their group boss Arsene Vanga says his side showed character to win one will away to Red Star Belgrade alleviation roof scored the winner six minutes from time Scotland's Women meanwhile came from behind to be Belarus two one in their opening World Cup qualifier in rugby union's European Challenge Cup Gloucester running nine tries as they beat our John sixty one sixteen scrum half Rhys Webb says he will not change his decision to join too long next year even though it means he'll not be eligible to play for Wales a Welsh Rugby Union rule change means players taking up a new deal with a team outside Wales must have at least sixty caps to play Test rugby and Ronnie O'Sullivan is through to the quarterfinals of the English open snooker after a four frames to three win over John Higgins this is B.B.C. 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Channel four now this morning I was going over twenty five minutes or so of all techie voting to go if you'd like to join in if you will question frog agitated fans he took out the knee and simply pick up the phone and he was cool on eight zero eight five nine zero nine six nine three and I apologize I don't mean to be patronized or anything like that but the last caller David in time I did point out I really got to fast and try and measure mine the tempo of my voice as I read out suppose you feel free to criticize me in a charming I mean faves you always does he doesn't hold back at all does turn on you when you're going to have Yeah it's pressure when I compare him to Donald Trump which you still got the hump about no doubt this week suggested that in Cambridge Good morning I got money on how you. Think it now go question for those who got it yes look at me as I go. Pro and then look up only it's not something I source. Logging in to see Saw go I scream and surrender. And take under not. Basic Needs am I think that's a computer. I think I'm caught Saxo and I was looking. For my friend to get it. They come out with their assessment and there was a graphic on your beat change. And the quote about. What he'll. Just longer was a lot. Right. Like. A lot of me. But she. And there were a lot of. Mock. Wonder and advice. And you are so so let me just make sure I called to order that the machine did you say the machine was a mac pro or MacBook Pro. Pro Yes I'm not quite so is it one of the cylindrical ones who when you want so that's OK and that would have cost you a lot of money how much should you spend on not knowing. But the initially when you bought it how much did it cost to just own the body just so over. A thousand but yeah but how old is this machine is a little thousand and eleven the two thousand and seven OK So this is not one of the cylindrical my pros this is one of the cheese grater Macs pros who began the million boxes you know oh yeah yeah OK yeah. That's nice machines by the way but it was style icons such machines there's a market just for the cases a lot of people make furniture out of them and so. Two thousand and eleven it's one of those sort of borderline areas I mean this. Three hundred fifty pounds . It's it's difficult because you see the problem is even when you replace that graphic circuit the rest of the machine is still you know a six year old machine if anything else goes wrong it won't be warranteed which was in the operating system we have currently running. Just like this one yeah yeah OK . This is a bit like you know when we have an aging car and we sometimes spend morning than the actual machine is worth you know an insurance company might write off but we decided we'd like to keep it because it's less a people and we like the machine if. Three hundred fifty pounds I think three hundred fifty pounds is at that level where I would start to think about putting it towards a new machine. And it would wouldn't necessarily need to be a Mac. For you I mean would you consider for example using a Windows P.C. . But. Yeah I remember baby on your mac but yeah yeah so you wouldn't necessarily need to go for. A MacPro bearing in mind that you know any of the desktop machines be that i Macs or even a mac mini would out a modern one of those would outperform your your your Mac. Probably in most respects. Are you doing anything that's particularly sort of taxing on the graphical side to say a reason why you've got a Mac. Privacy opposed to you know some less less fully featured mac. Just like you like. And stuff well. At three hundred fifty pounds I personally would be inclined to put that towards a new mac if I want one or even a new one or you know one that. Apple have got refurbished units that they sell this well through that that's where their store and the good thing about Apple reef is that virtually indistinguishable from New they're fully warranties and they always look new I think in a lot of cases they they replace the outer casing and all of that and it's fully tested and fully warranty that it tends to be about fifteen percent cheaper than than the the one off that also just be aware if you're a student you qualify for student discounts as well so that's something to to bear in mind if if you if you are a student or you know a student who can buy one for you then you know that that's something to think about as well by three hundred fifty pounds we're going to do just. Deal. Like you know yeah I don't I don't buy a new MacPro though because frankly they launched the mac pro they made a big deal about how it was made in America you know you had to you know graphics cards in it that could be replaceable then proceeded not to upgrade it for I think more than three years now hasn't seen upright and now it's in the embarrassing position of being outperformed by you know i Macs and even back minis in some cases I mean it's just shocking is it isn't really is disappointing because people would have spent you know three four five thousand pounds on one of those machines and then find that oh it's not quite a doorstop but it's just not getting updated in the white that it should be so I think that's disappointing so I would say if you going to buy another mac considering on a mac which has the integrated screen there or if you don't want an integrated screen then consider a. Mac mini. And by the way if you look at a mac mini that goes back to twenty twelve which horse is a long time ago no question and not much or newer than yours the twenty twelve models have courts can have quote core processes in them and that's because the new mac mini's. Apple hired me for saying this and that on the site you know when they when they release the new MacMini they dated the thing they didn't number of things I thought was quite cynical first of all they. Sold it the memory chips down so that you could no longer upgrade the RAM and Apple charge a pretty penny for their RAM memory so people used to do so get the fork in by machine upgraded to sixty that you couldn't use any expansion cards or that had an idea but it's true you could look at you couldn't you know when I spoke about the P.C. Spec and I said get one of those I think abides by expendable you know Apple started soldiering in that they started making a change hard to change the hard drive and and they stopped doing cortical process we've got a lot of calls and I want to get through all these calls tonight just in thank you very much Robert Glasgow first will go to your mom. As well. Really appreciate the call in that case really to. My daughter be daughter April. That's only. Four years and I'm not very technical. See you soon experience yeah. Yeah or not phone I actually don't know. She told me. There's a. Voice recorder right OK so so so you're effectively rats as any deleted it is for those listening to the phone in the dustbin just the app went went into the trash can as it were. So. Yeah I mean with that with that phone you can download all manner of voice recorders either that one or another one from a third party you can do that so the experience. A version of Google's Android operating system. If you access the Google Play Store which is the online store or shop where you can download new apps then you can choose from any number of voice recorders there and that you know that some of them will have a lot more features than the one that you accidentally deleted you'd be possible also to reinstate that particular app but but it might be an opportunity to sort of acquaint yourself with the App Store and have a look at what's available there because one of the benefits of owning a small fun Robert is that you can you can choose programs that will do almost anything that you want there's a huge number of huge huge number of apps to choose from so not just games and things but you know if there's things that you specifically want to do with your fund then then you can do it and it's possible you know you talk about voice recorder it's possible to have one that will allow you know I need to record forces but to edit them change the title up you know you want to you can have a full recording studio only five of these days for you well I don't know you said . Well. Now. You've lost the recordings OK that's a bit tougher. Because Celtic haven't lost many matches at Celtic Park and yet you lost the recordings stuff I don't. Recall are smart. No there is. This is right but it's easily don't don't tell you that it's easily done and small fun song on the A small thing criticism should be bad the person who designed the phone and to not tell you you are now dumping it in the dust when. I that person that is so smart if they didn't put a gadget like that in there you know. I don't know I do not know. Robert do you use a computer for any so other than the smartphone do you have like a laptop or desktop. Computer. Do you so much. That the thing the thing that I'm thinking is as we speak about this is that you know it is easy to delete things by accident and it's also you know ventured out from a breakdown or develop a fault and you could lose things on there are bad people so that's a user to make recordings you've got have a way of getting those recordings off that device even if these one song recoverable you know you're going to start making recordings you might shoot some video or take some photos you need to be able to cross yeah back I need to you need to find a way to do a back up and I could be for you that could be what's called a cloud backup So in other words if the if the information isn't very private you know you could make. Yeah you know so one option for you would be to back that up into what's called the cloud which is effectively. Your speech Yeah well your Google Play store. Or yeah you can access it from the phone itself yeah yeah so you won't be on the Internet but you need to be able to you know access the internet from that phone either using Why Farai or if you if you will mobile phone are for. I'm sorry. For you in this one yeah there's his wife on the phone and also if you will if you will the company that you have the sim card from if they have if they given you a date or location you can to fire that as well but wife I would be the best white but for wife I to work you've got attached to a wife I system and I'm guessing you don't have wife five in your house so then you'd be you know going and looking on soap public public wife I'd be at a library or a coffee shop or you know something like that. And then you can access the Google Play store and that's a revelation take some time to just look around and see what's available there a lot of it is free but just be careful when you start downloading apps don't download any apps are brand new and I need to unload apps of color reviews and and a lot of good reviews area going back a long time and also another thing and I'm not suggesting that I was most of the methods that you can decide you feel yourself from about what I do well I record things or have some things I don't want to lose is I somehow forward them to myself but if you've got an e-mail account then just press forward to email on that smartphone to yours and bingo you've got it saved on your e-mails I just say you don't need to go up into the clouds like you know. Because the couch is somewhere it's not tangible was really Miles or attention was needed to press and there is if you want it and a lot of smart phones aren't made by Apple have got memory card slots in them so it's also possible to put a micro S.D. Card into those as a low memory costs about the size of the fingernail on your on your little finger and those memory causes as you've already suggested are the coven of expansion cards boom boom and drilling so we and so we come full circle a sack. Of enjoyed tonight and your linkage and thanks for the call rather Andrew good morning good morning don't think of the whole thing. My question is for seeing your own daughter. Yes. In the forthcoming year or so. I'm looking for laptop she tells me she actually needs a laptop I'm looking at my cost specification we should be looking to mine if I just say something very quickly from say you'll be OK I want the extra five Can I just say this because of Godzilla who's now sixteen everything but when they were that stage they said any that you find not just any lap top but is the one that all the friends of God You have. Actually said on your head be it on your head be it then see if it's OK. And you do have a particular budget in mind for this I haven't really. Have a no i Pad and i. Do the same if she tells me that it is necessary to have a laptop. So. Either a Windows laptop or a mac broke. Saying she's got an i Phone and an i Pad gives you clue which way she wants to go except except that you need to check with the school to see if she needs to be have to run particular software on it right now make spent a Windows machine so before you try out the cash and you can actually crop or right to claim that she needs one she probably does actually. Good i Pads are and more capable though that they've become with the latest i O. S. That have an operating system for most uses they're not still the still not full replacement for everything the laptop can do but you know investigate and also school you know wouldn't i Pad be up to the job because he might be or is there particular software needs to run that i Pad cannot run in these to run Windows Let's assume for the moment we're going to go with a Windows machine because she's already got the i Pad Macs choices are Archie fewer and therefore easier to choose from so let's let's talk about Windows machines so earlier. In the program I talked about some of the specs for a good laptop which is you know something like an Intel I five process a minimum of eight gigabytes of RAM make sure it's core solid state drive as opposed to a mechanical drive in that with a capacity of at least two hundred fifty or two hundred fifty six kicker bytes here if it's five hundred odd so much the better. We mentioned screen size now if she's going to be carrying this to school and from class to class I would say one with a slice smaller screen so something like a thirteen inch screen would probably be optimal The reason for that a couple reasons for that one is it makes the machine lighter. The bigger the screen the more battery it draws and therefore the battery life will tend to suffer on ones with bigger screens or they have bigger batteries built into them which makes them heavy a still battery life is important because you know in a sort of school setting and in a college setting it's not always easy to get a charge point and you don't want it letting you down when you know so you need something with essentially all day battery life not be aware the most manufacturers lied to you about how many hours you will do on the back on a battery you know safe Apple are usually quite reasonably accurate but some of the others are not so they might say to you get eight hours and you might get five. You know you need to to try and get one with a very good battery life on it so that she's got a good chance again through the whole day without whining about constantly charging it up so I would say an ultra notebook computer so look at for example if you look at Windows look at say a Dell X P S thirteen that's got the same sort of build quality as a MAC not as expensive a bit more upgradeable and a bit cheaper as well I don't really want. Depends on the configuration but yeah I would say sort of seven hundred ish. Maybe more depending on the spec that you go for you don't need to go you know for everything you sounded so depressed when you mentioned the money entry I'm going to do it when talking about not come on should be leaping for joy when you. Actually come back to school and scream am school I never thought of that chance like important. Because also there might be requirements now in those requirements may change in the next year or two when you know progressing through school Chris thank you I think you need you need to do that because you might also find that she might not want this but that the i Pad might be good enough now. And actually that that has advantage of all the way back to you don't want wait to tell of the Feds he said that was your idea by the way Andrew thanks for the call by the way Toby Buckinghamshire Good morning. I like morning good morning. Or like. Oh I have I like eleven but prior. To them until one of the previous cold Justin Justin Yeah. I was being used in a place. And told Assad. For I. Get a little space named spinning Ryan Miller he was you know. By the way I try to retrieve the machine from a file to load up into the a way. That will tell you. I running a half ironic Apple's a poll very helpful. Since I studied case the so it was a it was a bad hard is on the hard drive. But there's value to the height of the machine I don't carry any part for that machine because of the I have to take to it one of their approved repair is yes quite saw to that I took it to a repair. Crew the pair was for a free evaluation. I got five go from them site the it was nice they be on the economical repair that I might have surprised to know that a study that by survey it was the bad sectors on the hard drive plastic plus the graphics card. Bice's a broken. Didn't But because the graphics caught with Paul the motherboard. You need to replace them and the motherboard and the monopoles are not on the revival form I give all you. That Buy it was called his on the economic return repair. As well impossible to repair it's like talking to the motherboard Well they probably count on e-bay to make him well yeah but in all but I'm a Mile The problem is I do have a backup. Right to be fucked up the machine Yeah I'm bought he's the bot because of the cost of any machine always so they always have to thought I needed one so you know I thought by a Windows machine I don't say you can't restore a backup from an hour on the windows. No Not Not Not Not Not really no not not legally because I mean there are things yet to be done to run you know but yeah I mean that's where I go I look back. You can run a still a pill know what there's a there's about it but yeah but Apple don't give a license to anyone to run their operating system other than their on their own their own hardware so you can have one when you know you can run Windows legally on a mac but you can't run the macro S. Legally on a Windows P.C. And also people are going to be legally under the legally but technically you can do it they're off there are you going to take the call if you do it it's not criminal this is it is well known when you say he didn't hire a software I mean you know people run things called hacking torches which are hacked P.C.'s that run like that Mark Macs and so forth I don't actually recommend that to you because that's not right Gloria very quickly can you help with child be saved when we got Mr Toby quickly you are you convinced that it's not just the hard drive because in a way sometimes it's unusual for it to be hard drive and motherboard and graphics and that well my it all to me quickly. The actual my external hard drive backed up on the only poll on the back of the all the hard drive if I Why it all boiled to make sure it's what you don't which was. For the mac Yeah. I couldn't find a pace that had that connection and I boil water. OK you've got thirty seconds for I think the thing is this we need to get more quotes from from people as to you know more pin users to the repair ability of that machine if it was just the hard drive it would be an excellent opportunity to swap out the old hard drive for an S.S.D. Spend a minute money into that way if the motherboard is really short. Genuinely sure as opposed to what one person has told you then that's not an economic I love so it's a bring it to a crashing and be effective cover thank you enough as it was the fight is concerned let's get the latest headlines now his mouth Newman. Blog Premier League for anyone and this is B.B.C. Five Live series The may have. To clear the way for a break sit deal which she can defend at time speaking during a working dinner in Brussels the prime minister insisted progress was being made unions a warning that child care is becoming unaffordable for many families the T.C. 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Lisa now and the president of the Liberal Democrats Sal Brinton the chief exec of next Simon and the Church of England priest and Strictly Come Dancing contestant Richard Coles our political correspondent in what some was watching and he talked to me about some of the show's highlights I think some very interesting things which happened during the course of the of the program I think was no surprise of the general topics being discussed universal credits very much better news this week breaks it's news every week you think there's much discussion every bit well. I mean you know there's two things you associate with Question Time these days and David Dimbleby imes brags. In that order a discussion you think the sky had fallen and it was missing but I thought the new vessel credible was very interesting was we had this contribution from Lord Bruce and Simon Wolfson He's of course a businessman he runs next but also he was very close to David Cameron he was appointed a Conservative peer. I think about seven years ago and he said that the current system of universal credit where people were effectively paid six weeks in their ears was insane and I think that was a very strong criticism and from his point of view actually as a businessman he felt people should be paid in advance I made that point clear even though actually he has many of his workers in areas but I think what was significant about this is our own twenty five Conservative M.P.'s had written to the prime minister saying look we are worried about the implementation of universal credit many of them wanted the six week period cut to four weeks Labor's been pushing for for that as well and indeed for even wider reforms I think you're starting though to get conservative peers putting pressure on the government although they didn't concede in Parliament this week they said today that just abstain when this issue comes up so as you know effectively it was a rather bizarre year the parliamentary vote which was won by two hundred ninety nine votes to zero because only one Conservative M.P. Actually took part and she voted Liberal but the law that is the if you like the headline this week behind the scenes is quite a lot going on and why do expect to see presumably some kind of move between know on the Budget next one for possibly when you could have built in review of the system in January that the government might start to move on that key demand about how long people have to wait for making that initial claim on the universal credit to when you actually get paid and that is a sick feeling when it's a consensus yet because the government's been defending it but are Conservative M.P.'s Labor M.P.'s the dame's S.N.P. Who say look this period should be cut so I would be surprised if in the next few months there isn't some movement but here is the question about universal credit as put to the panel how would the panel survive with no income a nice savings and a six week right for state support. Right that's of course we reference to the introduction of universal credit which has been very much in the news and being talked about in Parliament Simon Wilson I would you survive with no income no savings. And a six week wait for state support I mean I can imagine how difficult that would be . And I think was universal credit in principle is a is a great idea the idea that you go to one place you don't have to fill out millions of forms in millions of different places simplifying the whole process is completely the right policy but this idea that people got to wait six weeks to get paid must be wrong and the reason it's wrong is because what does it cost the government to pay people rather pay people in arrears what would it cost the government to pay them in advance and then says we have to borrow a month that that month of money now the person the body that can borrow by far the cheapest in this country is the government can borrow at less than quarter of percent on overnight money those people who are who are in that position they will have to go to the very very most expensive lenders they'll be boring at rates of forty fifty percent so it is insane for the government not to be the Burra rather than the receiver of benefits. He thinks he's a conservative support conservative funder What do you say to him I mean let alone all the people who are having difficulty with universe so let's explain what Universal Credit is designed to do is he's doing that OK he just says you could borrow the money and get out of the problem that let me explain what it's designed to do it's designed to enable people to move into sometimes part time work reveals full time work to have a change of circumstance where when they're in the system they don't have to keep looking back and looking back on reclaiming it's also designs when the situation where someone is working part time sixteen hours a week I'm sorry what I'm going to interrupt you know let's everybody knows this it's been said over and over again that the question the David make less is about the six week wait for money comes through the think it's Don't bother about why it's everybody's agreed even labor agreed. Thank you because if you go to the six week point I was trying to make his is it's designed to replicate your experience in a job receiving benefits back in a job so you actually have a steady flow as you move into benefits as you move back into part time work now I don't want anyone to have no money for six weeks and we have a system in place that money is available for advance payments people who need it immediately if necessary that's the right thing to say well this is assessed right longer this six week this is a system that's so far it's a huge reform it's so far been applied to eight percent of benefit claimants we're rolling it out very gradually we're learning lessons to make sure things work when things don't work as well as they should we're making changes that's the right thing to do. So. Let me get my French if you're going out on one second just say that again I'm saying through work Mr greatly in the. Tory Party the majority of them yesterday they are abstained in the house of the true were to give a buffer period over there to look into what is going wrong with this and they abstained that has left the people suffering discussed in disgusted so so yesterday's vote was to pause the reform of the reform is a positive it's having a positive effect more people getting into work from Universal Credit is not that was the case from conventional but we're making changes that goes through we've improved the situation room Vance places like we were concerned you all why I mean what I'm saying is why drag on Jools that I was able to be with Rose Austria just to run the risk of playing this comeback Julissa Nandy Let's hear from labor it is just not true to say that the government is learning lessons from the rollout of this part of the with this. Because it was piloted first in Wiccan where I live in twenty thirteen and at the end of the pilot eighty percent of people. In rent arrears three times as much debt as people who hadn't been in this scheme who were also in areas so it is not true to say that the government is learning lessons and it is not true to say that the government isn't aware of the scale of human misery that the chaotic rollout of this program has already caused and yesterday they were given an opportunity to work with olds to pause the scheme and work with else to fix it so that it could benefit people and not cause that real hardship and not only did they refuse to do that but they didn't even bother to turn up to defend their policy if my constituents didn't turn up they would be sanctioned and go without money and anything to eat for a significant amount of time and yet that is precisely what the Tory party who are implementing this policy did yesterday if there was ever a sign that this group of people is not fit to hold office in this country this is a right. I think this is going to. Be the known and Lisa says you failed to turn up to vote and even the speaker of the House of Commons rather extraordinary has said that the government should show respect to Parliament and say what a difference to do why did you abstain Why would you not the government was there we have minutes to speak in the debate we had backbenchers speaking in the debate seemingly actually using nots to votes against a Labor opposition to a motion which is not a binding motion does not mean we felt it turned out it was a big personality or it's worse it was worse than that there was a three line whip for you to abstain they was so didn't want to vote that they told people they had to abstain three line which is a bit of an arcane term that we know but I just find that is quite extraordinary and it just demonstrates that the government do not know what they are doing they should have stopped the pilots that came in the principles were right Simon's wrong . The principles about simplifying the benefits procedure was spot on but as the pilot started it became clear there were problems and then worse than that in twenty fifteen the new Conservative government then started to make cuts to universal credit that has made things much money worse than the nation and do what do you make of what Simon Wilson said that the government should borrow the money and simply pay people to get over the six week pause lot that Labor policy which is that there is a saying so I was like I should pipe it in advance rather notorious for the game is the government says that you can get on it to do that and the government says that you can get advance payments but I was sitting in my constituency office in we're going today discussing this with my stuff we have had so many of these cases over the last few years and they do not tell you about the advance payment so nobody knows so people aren't getting what they need the being told that they have to wait six weeks for the money although one in four waiting longer because the government can't get its act together but it's worse than not so what we found in the pilot in Wigan is that many people didn't have bank accounts so they needed time to get up to speed with that many of the people weren't online and didn't have access to the Internet in part because the government is caught and coats and coats so they don't have access to those very basic rights that they need in order to participate in the scheme and the government says that people wait six weeks in order to get the first pay packet in work but the truth is that for people who earn the least in this country usually a significant minority of those people are paid weekly not sickness we treat so is just simply not true OK I've come to terms with those being the ones of this moment Richard goes What's it like to be skint and then to go sixty any benefits until well it's it's grim and it's also catastrophic I think it's great to see this in numbers were of people visiting the food bank not just people actually other words some people in work visiting food banks to scare us but I think the catastrophic thing is my. More people are getting into renters is what concerns me is that a six week gap in income can create renters to the extent that you face the reality of a vixen nothing seems to me to fray the fabric of a community or to undermine the cohesiveness a community than in secure housing and that's something which I think is a major major problem is harder and harder to access social housing because there are resources going into it but when you get into renter is then you are really really in trouble I am fortunate thing for all the other issues of government is the breaks it does tend to squeeze out their importers who said he said on a night like this I imagine with trees a May in Brussels big night there that even the Brits it discussion even squeeze out some of this conversation about universal credit as well as the that's right I think what was interesting is that break that has dominated so it so many discussions and I think a lot of major things which are going on domestically perhaps I'm getting the attention they deserve including a major welfare reform at Universal Credit and that says fewer than ten percent of people are on that particular benefit at the moment brings together six other benefits but that is a plan to roll out there are calls to pause it and I think know people in other areas of the country the haven't yet transferred onto universal credit to beginning to see what some of its benefits and indeed some of its flaws are likely to be but I think on the on the brakes it's negotiations I think is far more important from the government's point of view to try to get them to move on to roll out if you like the next stage of the brakes at the garage Asians and get on to these crucial trade talks and effective illusion didn't say that in terror that's what reason they were saying over dinner to our colleagues in Brussels colleagues are enemies depending whether your trade minister the chance that you examined all G. Used but that basically other twenty seven E.U. Leaders She had their attention in a sitting down to dinner and she effectively said look let's move on together there is an urgent imperative terms of diplomatic speak negotiations could only be carried out with ease chief negotiator Michel Barnier says she didn't see. Let's move on to trade talks but if you're going to translate it from politicians English diplomatic English into actual English and saying please for goodness sake read on these trade talks of the fact that many of our more fair fight breaks a tears in the conservative ranks have been saying look perhaps we even should consider walking away from these talks I think she would see that potentially as an advantage rather than disadvantage because she could say to your leaders look I'm under pressure and you really need to move you really to give me some slack here it's trying to sway that Britain is has been before some kind of you know the comparison with the unraveling of the winds of change as it were when colonial former colonies across the southern Asian continent but also in Africa were claiming their independence and there would be gauche Asians at that time with Greece and were in the E.U. Positions is an extent and they managed to see those negotiations through rather smoothly if not seamlessly I wonder whether some has been lost in the fifty years since and that we don't know how to negotiate our way out of a paper bag any more is interested actually as the stakes are very much taking a long view is that I think you know a lot of people involved at the time would say this was actually a classic way of dealing with these going to negotiations did they already colonization process we did in a much more if you like civilized way than say move towards the words you know that they are going to like they say. Only in terms of equalization but France got involved in several days of course or into the china decision right North Africa and Britain you know there were problems in many of these countries subsequently there's problems about what states and infrastructure in economies were in but it was seen as a as a negotiating success but of course the people would point out including people are very pro brags that they would not even have their own trade negotiations for forty years and probably devolve too much responsibility they would argue to the European Union and we simply don't have that level of negotiations either the top or the Foreign Office or in. Treasury or amongst Britain's own economists though to some extent perhaps we were not prepared for it but I think that there was at least also a political consensus post-war that it was time to if you like at recognise the. Aspirations to self-determination when it came to creating both and extending the commonwealth this time of course the divisions within the Labor Party the divisions within the conservative party the Liberal Democrats are not quite as divided but you see British political parties even if people say yes we set the referendum result we sign up the concept of breaks it then divisions over how long the transition period should be watch it happen at the end of that transition period should we stay in Customs Union a bit of it should we try and stay in single market and I think from UP point of view the European Union able to if you like. Use the fact that we're not all singing from the same hymn sheet to say actually well we can't possibly speed up these negotiations you haven't told us what kind of post breaks or old you want to the put the ball back into court and I think what surprised some of the people involved in the British negotiations that decided that the twenty seven other countries have shown such unity it was expected that some wouldn't as expected this frankly part of the strategy actually elements of this explicitly that are going to talk to you leaders of the head of the chief negotiator Michel Barnier they're going to try to get some of them to put on pressure because their industries are needed the trade they would Britain it's not really been happening there so it was one of the things a bridge and some would say that we could make our unilateral deals on the side of the euro for you know that you get to happen within the European into that instead over the last year or so those as we say where it has dominated Question Time extra time it has been possible you know my point is a member of the the T.V. Audience at least to see whether a particular audience is pro or anti Brits it's do you get that sort of sense of a division there tonight I think that the audience was certainly divided an issue there's no consensus on an issue both or thought was interesting there was the effect of the when he's in and the lead the. FORMER LABOR FRONTBENCHER was saying look it will be a total disaster if we don't get a deal you know basically trucks will be laying up at Dover flights won't be able to take off your kind of booed and hissed bisection the audience they were very very vocal they didn't like this idea that no deal was indeed the washed possible deal and I think there was a feeling among some of the people in the audience and Dunstable that they felt that people should be talking down Britain's prospects I thought was. Interesting audience contributions actually saying if we get the sake we voted for break that why don't you politicians get together in a more unified way and now you're for it and make it happen and there's very little unity on the panel we're used to that I know it Chris Grayling had voted for break that. The Transport Secretary These an undated voted to remain so Brinton the Dems would voted to remain. As we mentioned from next and voted to leave the business leaders actually voted to leave so the panel were divided but it was a frustration I think among some sections of the audience that those divisions are continuing well beyond the referendum process and I think there's also perhaps less tolerance a lot of expected actually for an argument saying look no deal is the worst possible do it well let's have a listen to listen and I think we can hear contribution to that as well it would be a catastrophe it is a big issue it's the biggest issue that this country currently faces you know the reality is that if we end up coming out of the E.U. Without a deal at all then we will see flights grounded we'll see despite what Chris was trying to say this week no no no. We will see flights grounded we will see lorries fucked up at ports we will see food prices rising and we will face a very real prospect of a hard border with Northern Ireland there is no question that no deal would be worse than the worst possible deal of all and increasingly now I think the cabinet is divided into two groups of people the realists like the understand this and I like this who believe that no deal is a realistic prospect the truth is there is no serious credible cabinet minister who currently believes that no deal is an option and this week we have the prospect of the Bracks secretary standing at the dispatch box in the House of Commons saying no deal is a negotiating tactic The trouble is they can hear him over in Brussels they know that we're full of things and it's missing their own grandstanding and both thing and got serious about how we are going to get the best deal out of the E.U. So that we can move this country and its economy thought occurs M's. Evan's question there's Grayling is did the panel think do you think no deal in Europe is really such a bad thing or somebody believes in free trade and so therefore I think a free trade agreement with the European Union would be a good thing for us and for the European Union and therefore my colleagues and I are going to work very hard to achieve that but we're not going to do is adopt a Labor policy which is a deal at any cost now what happens if they turn around say give us a hundred billion euros or no deal that's a load off. For us. So we are going to work hard to deliver a sensible deal we're going to work hard to have a proper neighborly friendly relationship with the European Union but we're also going to prepare so we're ready if that doesn't happen so you won't walk away in certain circumstances to resume I was very clear in saying no deal is better than a bad deal we will work to prepare the way for a good deal with the European Union but you would all expect us to also prepare for the eventuality that there is none and we will do both I don't expect that to happen I don't want it to happen but we'll make sure we're ready for it if it does . All right. We're going to be growing more vegetables. But we've certainly won't have a plane sitting on the ground the planes will carry on flying the odds it would stop in the plane's landing in the summertime you know it's very minute and then. Hotels and it was just for the birds if it's for the birds why did the chance of the Exchequer reveal it as a possibility he didn't perhaps he said I'm not going spend lots of money on it because it's not going to happen and he says it is theoretically conceivable that no deals in our area there would be no air traffic moving well it's time secretary say it would be unthinkable because we won't know if he'll be you think about goal is to secure a deal with the European Union that's good for all of us all right we're not going to look at MIT's defeat we're not going to say we can fail she said she didn't say it was the best thing or thing we worked towards that but we prepared for the all turns out. OK. And race to get there so that we can get out of the E.U. Yeah what did you work together all right so much time fighting with each other OK I'll come to you later on but you go but you go I think it's a very good question it seems to be I'm having flashbacks the universal credit things we seem to have a real problem with rollouts totally real problem was a wristwatch a big rollout was exemplary but. There's something I'm a big problem of universal credit rolling out we had a big problem with the board is a big problem is all I see projects in the B.B.C. In the N.H.S. Huge room with H M R C and changes to status for employees moving them to employed status and the biggest one of all of course is breaks it my impression is sometimes that we're approaching a very uncertain Well the cliff edge actually and if it is a cliff edge I want to abseiled down the cliff I don't want to jump down the cliff and I want to see a plan for getting still get to the bottom pretty fast I never want to get the ball so without splatting it would be would be. To give you well I'd love to see a little bit more to do you think that sorry but the question was whether the new deal would be such a bad thing giving new deal would be a disaster you say that to abseil down the cliff I think come with ambrosial not one of them not very often lumber right on in a city but it seems inconceivable to me I want to upset OK sovereign. The problem with the rules which is what Chris said was the way out if we have no deal is that immediately we are legally required to slap tariffs on anything coming from the E.U. And vice versa and the sorry. Well forty percent beef and the Welsh farmers union that know we are legally obliged to him we are absolutely and cost ten percent close twelve percent to twenty percent to business spirits and that's a problem it's certainly a problem for both countries in the E.U. Exporting to us but it is a major problem for us particularly in places like Northern Ireland with a hot soft border and ninety percent of goods from North Nolen go down to the Republic of Ireland but the brand such a Beside you disagrees with all this just it's just not true that we have to have those what we have to have the same tariffs on everyone but that doesn't mean it has to forty percent we may change just to say Actually we're going to have zero tariffs on all food from all countries what we can do is say you're if we don't have a special agreement we can't have special arrangements in Europe but we it is absolutely wrong to say we have to have tariffs at any level and set a problem is we have to say the tariffs absolutely identically absolves the world which means we also have to one do the deals that the government doing beginning to talk about with other countries there's one deals everything you can't pick and choose once you these rules I am sorry it is complete do you agree with that it's got to be economic issues but that doesn't mean we have to have high tariffs and in fact a lot of us seem very selective person for it because actually we can become more of a free trade nation we don't have to have this. And that was Christian Time measures are not very So you would soon as well for breaking it down for us in the next hour of the program reviving out about New Zealand's next prime minister our young. Compared to me in any case thirty seven years old would you call growing our youngest leader more than one hundred fifty years and the youngest female leader very developed economy in the world so I know you're asking I know you're asking. For new. This is the same it's called Good morning this is not of. The main news on Five Live to reason man has told the youth leaders she needs to reach a break sit deal she can defend to Vice's. More misery for Ronald Koeman as Everton lose in the Europa League. This is B.B.C. B.B.C. 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Understands why they are going to be promising to start talking amongst themselves about trade and transition Dales but they won't yet go on to talk to the U.K. Directly about that because they say they need more compromise from to reason a study published in the loans that medical journal suggests that pollution killed at least fifty thousand people in Britain in twenty fifteen health charities argue that the U.K. Is not doing as much as the United States and all the European countries to curb harmful emissions it's claimed that millions of mobile phone uses a being routinely over charge by their contract providers Citizens' Advice says customers of three of the U.K.'s biggest companies Vodafone and three being charged the one says which they have already paid for in full the company's insists that they do charge fair prices the president of the European Council Donald Tusk says the E.U. Won't be intervening in the situation between Spain in Catalonia the Spanish government says it will be gone it began rather removing some of the region's autonomous powers at the weekend under article one five five of the Spanish constitution marry a Magara is a journalist who lives and works in Catalonia. Clear what is going to and what exactly these are the gold means we have to wait next Saturday when there will be the extraordinary council or minister up in my great were I mean special government that will make more Peter about exactly which kind of measure they are going to take the White House chief of staff has defended President Trump against criticism over his phone call to the widow of a soldier who was killed by Islamist militants Gen John Kelly whose own Marine some was killed in Afghanistan says he was stunned when a Democratic congresswoman claimed the president had been disrespectful with his comments and his way tried to express that opinion is a brave man fallen hero he knew what he was going to myself into because he enlisted there's no reason to list the list and he was where he wanted to be exactly where he wanted to be with exactly the people he wanted to be with when his life was taken that was the message of the most comprehensive survey of dialects in England is to be opened up to the public nearly forty years after it was created the project will bring back the age old debate savor a role perhaps a bomb or a splinter verses a scale for Fiona Douglas from the University of Leeds is behind the projects we're going to have activities with the five partner museums around the country so people will be able to engage with the project there and we'll also have a project website where not only will people be able to access the fantastic archives that we have but they'll be able to their own stories on their own memories Time now for the sport with showed Osaka evidence chances of progressing from their Europa League group look slim after a two one home defeat to live on it leaves them bottom after three games that manager Ronnell cumin admits it puts his job under increased scrutiny arsenal by contrast are top of their group. 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This is up or not on five daughter an added by and coming up in this hour Tom Hanks has become the latest Bollywood star to comment on the Harvey Weinstein sex scandal he says that there is no way back for the producer embroiled in allegations of sexual misconduct and solved that hang says Hollywood is at a watershed moment but he denies feeling complicit who had also about Muslim women in. Could break the province in Canada and they'll be forced from now on to remove their burkas and the cabs to AG says public services including riding a bus and as hundred new law in Quebec We'll get reaction on that we'll speak to the American journalist who's done the math Yes I said math with an S. The jealousies down the math on how many tweets Donald Trump is composed his becoming president will get the week's news from us as well where it's at the end of an era there for car manufacturing and yes in a moment we'll find out just who this new prime minister in New Zealand is in fact let's find out right now if front page of The Garden this morning says just sinned Nanya just in the mania excuse me just in the mania wins the day and this is because it just. Has become New Zealand's youngest prime minister after her labor party struck a deal to lead a coalition government at thirty seven years old she will also become the youngest female leader of any developed economy in the world when I speak to many hara news a political journalists and Radio New Zealand May What more can you tell us about Gysin there are we know she's young would we know else more about. Well the live it and the English of it obviously the previous prime minister described it was that she has had a remarkable rise to be in this position and August just six feet in the wakes before the election here that was when she became the leader of the opposition so she hadn't been that long and opposition and not only death but she actually only became deeply laeta of the opposition and match it with yes and she has had. A rise in that just in the media that you talked about with differently saying on the campaign trial it was saying Ashton about evenly that we she was one of the crowds of people who just wanted to get a glimpse of her and that the family wasn't previous like the latest And so it was it is an extraordinary thing to witness and now as you say she of marriage just got to deal with one status and they become the next government of New Zealand as well as by default she becomes a feminist feminists I call my visualizer not. Yet it's what lots of people have been talking about just in the day and what she might meet the new deal and she. Must deal and youngest prime minister. To give. A lot of people are talking about what the. Government may look like and we kind of had an indication last night we went announced. That he could do that meeting in economic and social change talked about how capitalism had but more like us rather than a friend to me in jail and what will probably happen is as the Labor Party and. So just to create some of the wealth around here and targeting people in poor conditions people who get lower wages and really trying. To be some of that wealth then that's good if the simpler should be back on track and where we can be talking about it just in the. Historic leader but we should be to grab politics as well So essentially she's to the left as she of the lead the party actually is yes alive party is on the list at least when the New Deal interest has actually. Started with post and national and labor and the past and so the Greens all all part of this government west and your own face but if I lost a lot of them all and I at least in my party you know with leaders like this he have a mania about them or you know love concision sin value says that this just in the mania that the Guardian talks about there's usually a. Honeymoon period in which votes is and indeed a presidency will allow that leader to make the mistake that they're going to make and then after that it's going to get serious you know that along with that how do . You think a few weeks months or. It's very interesting I mean obviously she came in during an election campaign and election campaign has its own sort of but it could have bad politics out even during that election campaign with what we were witnessing was part of the campaign we thought was. Just and I didn't herself you know estate and previous latest doesn't quite have that same idea and even though English she was a promise at the time didn't even have that same minute that I'm Eva we could see light. Drop back a little bit on the pulse towards election night and so they actually got seats least in the National Party but just because of the why the in the empty works and just and I did was able to form a government now what will happen over the next few days is OK it's slightly more ideas around the policy so basically concession the light of cause he had to make in order to secure that government position with media interest I think when we see that we can start to tell a little bit more about what had just had to play and I think that will play into the fact of how long this honeymoon period my own might not go on for that and also this is perhaps the most important question from a point of view may. We were used to previous remailed prime minister of New Zealand and unclog speaking to us here on our poor not own father live on a regular basis fairly regular basis from her office as prime minister do you think just seemed odd and has even heard of us or not. I'm sure she has and she actually had quite regular contact with her in class she was speaking to his wife through the campaign and even here raised very recently as well so you know it's all in class with you guys but I'm sure it would be some sort of exchange about that you guys but just in that it is very explosive and his work a lot of chip tricky question comes across a very frequently open Kristen and I don't see why don't continue to see why not as well and the food to Mary thank you very much Jennifer you was great here again is all saying. Escalate please you may have been there political journalist at Radio New Zealand is fine it was in the morning papers now been speaking to Alan McKinley use the sports not any of the Daily Mirror about the series on the back pages. Exclusive M.R. Shocker I'm signing for Manchester United or Man United in the headline I've got to start Els polities leaving for Old Trafford was partially for a young John Cross the nose will Go Go's arsenal and they're barely even told his team mates you can assign to Manchester United now this is interesting stories because you hardly ever get a player saying what he's going to do before he does it so that's why I take his life particularly interesting of course you have a contract at the end of the day and then can lead to nothing so I would make sense for Arsenal to sell him in January. As of course place a cherished memory knew what he was a Real Madrid and Maria famously called him the best number ten in the world at that point and anybody that source reforms against water could not possibly call mezzo best number ten in the world probably are even in the arsenal saying so perhaps this would be a good move for an elderly loved one who's with wires around but it sets him up for near were skulls and of course he's now a flavor of the Emirates after losing his starting place as none made no secret of the fact he for parents relations are fascinating. Yeah I'm sure the judge would love to play a signing like that just upset Arsenal and of course Aston venturi it's an area where I thought I'll be interested to see what the response is to this story not least from ASA Venables I'm from the Austin faithfuls up here yeah very much because I don't get a license with it leaving price to the many I will remember what I felt about Robin van Persie going to a bunch of different I know. But them first he was scoring goals at the top level as it is now what it's like. It's his language style the piano I've never really understood that he gives it oh you know he gives everything for the same they've always felt the INA is like something of a luxury player yeah and sometimes just isn't up for. Yeah I want simple stuff got me otherwise you know for example a guy writing guitars you know plays look to see the flaws in his fans love to see a trial why would you know the best number ten in the world chasuble But if you have a. Question If you are going back. Maybe that's why he's going to you know. About out of Iraq back you might have to track back and of course one of the European caches this evening was featuring every two months and that almost turned out to be well it was controversial also so was yeah I was here last arms to Leon I've now had the worst I ever bought an English team in the Europa League that I got one point just for my first three games losing arms lay on a cold outside penalty off just six minutes in to be honest I want playing very well at Seoul and suddenly the Williams challenge the Leon goalkeeper there was a big fuss and should have been books just for that and then started throwing punches and pushing people it was like my light down in from says a lot is right and we have it and the fans the players are fairly into the heavens and some of the supporters force pushed back and got very nasty and they looked as if there were going to be a few red cards. Flushed but that didn't happen Ashley Williams got away with it and two minutes later added an equaliser at this point Goodison Park is rocking and as we'll as we know you don't know what you need when the game is drifting away free is a good help from shall not things will happen the crowd on something everything and then we were all expecting the biggest potion of perhaps inevitable in a league on school three Try already with fifteen minutes to go and it's been a disastrous results Ronald Koeman has also been slashed seven to one on knees now to become the first Premier League managerial casualty at the season's are not a good night for Everton and so I was involved to European fig shoes today as we're having today you're covered by those travelling very much in the Very much so they are small. One one nail a Bright Star Belgrade. Juicer an absolutely sensational call Violet had lots of it had stopped right how's that for carnage. It's like when and of course also criticised tire choice offered to capture the weekend for not having the lights just like I. Asked when to rest about on a much hostile stadiums in Europe and the crowd was tossing and you know also things fly nonstop which kept stay resilient and five minutes from the end there was a pretty little one touch my classic Arsenal were to tap the football fell and still be just behind him a tender spot a magnificent overhead controlled as well controlled kick into the corner of the net and Arsenal top of the group with maximum points I'm still here it was fantastic on a course or training day before and I think it was when Christmas Crystal Palace was near the Emirates rated remarkable sort of packets from behind back hail to their school kid has been called out to scold me and of course Michelle condition this not Choir School B. And this is a this is a very but a very very clever goal and yet all they need to do that much more regularly for their life is an awesome Venga United's No good having these pigs actually go once in a while but no score learn a regular basis he would say well if you pick me from the start all the time and I will be more likely to have a pound or so later unless. There is one. And I think June is often luck is it and well because me yeah. I mean yes having seen him do that you wonder whether you know I was too close could have done it but it was they were just one of the one of the great goals I really was yeah it's great to see a spectacular say I think most people would go for the move go trough of it. More is less in this respect anyway yeah and to kind of fit what Troy D.D. Had to say Woods is. Manages responds to what you had to the party knocker Sylvia you didn't enjoy the nice comments that as much as I did I thought it was a great interview and much that I could see some of. The nice on this last no optional found again for the mask on so is that it was right which was which was great and it was great to hear about our But it was also said that famously now that electric car nice and went out for the fight against love it now Marcus over the water managers told me to keep his Mattia not talk about it seems he doesn't mind I'm talking about what that. Says that he knows my opinion of what he said I want to finish the situation pinion studies between me and him but we all know what he's told not to do that anymore which is a great shame for us. You say that many cabs in the club captain knows and understands perhaps the spirit of the club and what the fans want and all this stuff and what is the enemy I think perhaps better than the manager is wonder whether it manages shut up and listen to the captain some jams you I'm sure a lot of fans would love to get off and much much neutrals quite enjoyed what he had what he had to size Well it was nice to it was nice to have someone come to come to the microphone and not just cite a large state well as pledges not to get the three points you know it was nice to hear and nice to hear him talking about what they were talking about beforehand and seeing actually happen on the pitch afterwards story and you want to interview him fortunately for him during that set me talk about the opposition in that way for water things I see that you got some good news is good news but it is good news for those people who were involved in the nativity on Christmas Eve is that Yeah absolutely yeah yeah they do it do we have we want to process bells and Holly on a on a tight and heavy metal type we've got on the back of it it's a fun car to going to going fans at least rather than the elms have fans claiming a major victory is not a life or merely going to be shot on Christmas Eve NASCAR looking to snow this little as a super Sunday for him kickoff that fiction has now been brought forward. Friday. The changes often T.V. Bosses followed along quite strong backlash from fans groups who objected to it I know that also having studio problems because there was a lot I was going to a lot of people having to work on Christmas Eve otherwise would have been able to have that die off and now and now but that isn't going to happen if we call the limbs of the football scores Federation saying that they were late on a Christmas to fiction series never to be popular with much going fans now whether whether they'll be in anymore victories light is over armchair fans and the wishes of clubs remains to be saying the sending us of a trade you can enjoy and saying is down in the dumps and your inside pages yet she said Chelsea boss and Sonny have come to a supposedly losing mind games which are same ring out who they were out a little Chelsea Chelsea instead of the clubs crying crying about injuries and of course it seems to be something I'm not quite right Chelsea with the very last two Premier League guys I mean a lot of love clubs would kill to have Chelsea problems in May But it's not quite the same formidable look that Chelsea had last season comes late does seem a little bit more subdued and down in the dumps interviews and stuff and we've got to Phil Neville saying that one of the perhaps one of the reasons that. Chelsea are frustrated is because I feel a lot of players go out on loan tell me I promise one as a live in Loftus jigsaw in Crystal Palace online and contest at least he's got very few options for his first team squad which he which seems strange Nothing like a nice enough guy was in several calling in line last season left him on the bench at Faneuil to LA Louis Baker playing for England chief James admitting to him and then I'll get a chance at Chelsea and a quote from Phil Neville is a disgrace Chelsea should close their academy. But maybe he's right and what about the person saying that there's a glossy ling for British manages in the Premier League yet this isn't the done with the less the job available now. Craig Shakespeare. And he's talking about there's a glossary for the British managers he says and the big six clubs sits above it is understandable why should one Dodge would be interested in a in the last a job more away just for a challenge left of course if we could forget Premier League champions season before last of the well has been a Bernie five years doing a great job with limited resources by his dangerous you know the less to do list as they prove with Run the area now Shakespeare they will sack the manager the drove his wife he did take over and from the new lecherous of the bottom three he'd be sacked again and he does point out of course Shakespeare was in charge of twenty one Premier League One I last I drew on the top of the losses with the I mentioned the city twice also ice Manchester United Chelsea Liverpool and evidence are no disgrace that and he ends by saying good luck to the eventually feels the cyclist really needs to move on it just shouldn't be left to Leicester City and let's talk about. As we say in French. Well. You had lot of little pain peabrain out peabrain of course refers to Andy Carroll because of his description by a manager of ability chiefly to those two albums a good sense of against Burnley lustily But this is on the door to retire which is of course the Spanish little pay as he's nicknamed Mexico here I might have thought of course he's often been employed that was but this time because of Terrell suspension he's going to be up front after center forward Billy just signed with most players back he can enjoy the games more because he had to play in those positions because of because of suspensions and injuries now he can play up front in the middle and he says slow but he says on a very excited what did the big piece to the little Let's hoopy go on and not. Sure if you're ready for me said Go in schools and go said I'm going to be safe for a couple of. It is the right. 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Smart question of a senior members of staff and not myself he said he said after the players had been training they got back into the swing of it was maek and he said but there's a lot of resentment and anger it's not surprising every question is fair we're very popular manager has done pointed out. With his record to be fired and so McKinley of the mirror the Hollywood film director Quentin Tarantino has admitted that he knew about instances of alleged sexual assault by Harvey Weinstein for decades in an interview with The New York Times he said there was more to it than just the normal rumors the normal gossip he also said that he wishes he had taken responsibility and done more to protect the women involved towns he knows in mission comes as police in Los Angeles say they're investigating another case of alleged sexual assault involving Mr Weinstein in his knees in this new case a woman times that she was raped by the film producer in two thousand and thirteen Meanwhile Tom Hanks has been talking to the B.B.C. And he says there's no way back Fabio Weinstein the Oscar winning. Says that Hollywood is at a watershed moment denies training complicit because he was part of the movie making machine that allowed the alleged behavior to go on Harvey Weinstein unequivocally denies rate Tom Hanks said it's a Will Gump It's about whether they could be any place in or he would for the movie mogul off to be allegations now. Well and they were a watershed moment this is a sea change I think his last name will become a noun and a verb will become identifying a moniker for the state of being for which there was a before and an after no not not at all I mean no do you feel in any way complicit simply because you're part of this Hollywood machine which is I don't doubt this sort of activity go on if Hollywood in the entertainment industry was the only place where sexual harassment occurred I would say yes but you and I know that that's not the case it's built into the rules of society what can happen out of all of this is there is going to be righteously I think a pause in the discussion. For the women to be heard meaning that. Perhaps all men myself included should pipe down and not try to explain it and not try to comment on it certainly not to try to defend it or even try to prosecute it because what has to happen right now is we need to listen to everyone who's ever been a victim and give them the full throated opportunity to speak as specifically as they are comfortable to doing every one of those women one hundred percent of them need to be listened to I was talking to a very famous very well respected actress who's a very good friend of yours who said almost entirely the opposite she said it's time for the men to stand up do something oh well I'm saying that first we got to hear from everybody so that we understand how vast and how all encompassing this was. That's a be is it's all got to change there though I try to figure out if there's a worse word to use than predator and I don't think there is in this in this circumstance I think there should be a code of ethics posted in every lunch room of every company on the planet that says Here is the behavior that is expected of you as an employee of this company on the code of ethics you are one of the actors representatives on the Academy Board I've been easy musta been involved in a conversation about how I was having Harvey Weinstein removed from the account I am a member of the Board of Governors So yes yeah I wasn't at the meeting and what of that conversation sound like I'm not at liberty to discuss I'd be going against my responsibilities did you talk about issues like should we have a code of ethics etc Honestly I'm not it I'm not at liberty to discuss it those are closed meetings and I completely agree with the statement that was put out by our president John Daly and he didn't discuss Bill Cosby or on the Polanski I don't know how many more times I can put it in this way but I'm not at liberty to discuss that do you think there should be. Quotas in boardrooms proper female representation on all the major boards of all the major companies in the movie business all there should be of course of course there should be no without a doubt what there should be is paying no attention to gender whatsoever and it should be a meritocracy. Long before anyone and this is B.B.C. Five Live is going to far above head by Starbucks and human reason. Is to create a new dynamic came brights it talks speaking as a working dinner in Brussels last night the prime minister called for a deal that she could defend time a study has found knowing million people died prematurely in twenty fifteen G. To pollution the reports published in the lone States Medical Journal says the death rate is high in price and that in most of the Western nations Los Angeles police say they're in. Stating another case of alleged sexual assault involving Harvey Weinstein the woman claims she was raped by the film producer back in two thousand and thirteen he's denied all claims of nonconsensual sex people have been celebrating the Hindu festival of to volley across the U.K. One of the biggest events this held a Cossington park in Leicester Time now for the sport with soccer Everton's chances of progressing from their Europa League group looks after two one home defeat to live on it leaves them bottom after three games that manager Ronnell cumin admits it puts his job under increased scrutiny arsenal by contrast are top of their group boss Arsene Wenger says his side showed character to win one will away to Red Star Belgrade alleviation Ruth scored the winner six minutes from time Scotland's Women meanwhile came from behind to be Belarus two one in their opening World Cup qualifier in rugby union's European Challenge Cup Gloucester running nine tries as they beat our sixty one sixteen scrum half Rhys Webb says he will not change his decision to join too long next year even though it means he'll not be eligible to play for Wales a Welsh Rugby Union rule change means players taking up a new deal with the team outside Wales must have at least sixty caps to play Test rugby and Ronnie O'Sullivan is through to the quarter finals of the English open after a four frames to three win over John Higgins this is B.B.C. Five Live on digital on smartphones and tablets Good morning you may have heard that we've had next storm heading towards the U.K. It's called stall Brian set to arrive through the coming night actually and into Saturday to bring our next. Civic as I come back to that let's start with the day ahead it will be brighter than yesterday we've managed only about an hour of sunshine at most across the U.K. So for Scotland the still beads and heavy rain through the night it's slowly easing and it's relatively mild it's going to a bit of a great start but it be a gradual drying out process less great day. Tonight. It is a. Bit of a. Sticky in the. Afternoon. Through the evening. And the. Spring time. Around. With the trees and the. This is. This. Race commentary from seven pm. Eastern. Sundays for. Listeners digital. Business women in Canada will be forced to remove their burkas says public services including riding a bus under a new law in the province of Quebec women who work as teachers daycare workers and doctors will also be forced to remove their face coverings the government there says the purpose of the new law is to ensure the state and religion are kept separate and to reduce the presence of conspicuous religious symbols in public well she hinted city key is from the National Council of Canadian Muslims and she's also the Executive Director of these limits Social Services Association you know my initial reaction was How can that happen in Canada. As experience you're disappointed of us Sure sure that this never happened and my country but. It has unfortunately it was expected to a certain extent because Kodak has been deliberating this issue for a couple years doesn't I know and but most Canadians have been speaking up against it you remember they tried to bring in the charter of values that was defeated we expected a Liberal government that's now and they. Can go against it would not bring something like this just hoping the saner minds would prevail but I guessed it and we can hear the disappointment in your voice Why are you so upset by. You know Canada is a country where I believe we stand for for human rights we stand for the right of women to choose a fourth so far and so long to get women the right to choose to you know and the right to religious expression and then to so it's fairly disappointing because the change we're egressing rather than progress and human rights issues when you don't understand the reasons behind it when the. They just come back says look this is for security reasons and other things and also when I speak to you I should be able to see them talking to the two things that he brings up number one is security listen and women who wear the niqab they show their I.D. When they need to they have driver's licenses they travel the world so they have passports or they have photo I.D.'s and to see who they are they are visual Velika rights it's not an issue and then secondly I need to see your face but just because you are uncomfortable with not seeing me have been seeing me in a cab is not good enough and not protected by the Charter of Rights that you know you shouldn't really uncomfortable we talk on the phone right now you are not seeing my face but are we not having a meaningful conversation. You know and it's just it's bizarre that's really all that snow. Social ban on the niqab or the cories it aids a ban in public places on public transport and so on Exactly so what does a woman do who has who covers a face not leave her home if she is in the hospital she can get services because she's wearing a make up the fundamental right of every Canadian to service in public sector is being denied and be denied turn out who's going to police at the bus drivers the people running the to the hospital doctors I mean it's it's just so ridiculous and can you imagine what they have opened their doors to so I manage a lot of folks sitting on a bus or woman with an income gets on I have given him the legal right or her the legal right to go across a trailer full of funding you know the violence that this going into and a little violence against Muslim women is on the rise and has meaning to beg for our leaders to give that kind of a license to say yes now this is against the law so no you know citizens can take the law into their own hands and police these these women since you brought it up since you brought it up is that a fundamental right for citizens to cover up their faces so for example. When I ride a motorcycle and I have my helmet and I go into the petrol station or in the bank they require that I take my crash helmet off I'm not making comparisons but I'm saying immediately I have to accept I have no fundamental right to keep my crash helmet on and in the same thing you know other respects if I suddenly saw somebody with a ski mask walk into a bank I think a lot of people would object to that is there a fundamental right that is a fundamental right first of all because it's a part of the guard with the Gretsch that the government there's a right so the. We have Taliban who are forcing women to dress in a certain way and now we have. Best in leaders telling us what not to wear Secondly it's suppressed it's the woman's right that this is she considers this her religious obligation or her religious expression now our Supreme Court has already ruled that you know it's a individual's interpretation of their faith and their individual expression of the Faith and Practice of the religion that is protected so yes you may find many Muslims who will say or others well it's not really a requirement in your faith so what if she believes that that's what needs to be protected right and as I have already said they do have licenses they driver's license they do have passports for reasons and that they need to they will and they do identify themselves but to have her uncovered all through the bus ride or all the time she's waiting in a waiting room in a hospital where there is public it's again I think oppressive and if Colonial is anything you can do about say you yourself or the organizations you represent the National Council of Canadian Muslims or in two days not make Social Services Association who do you help people in general people you don't have to be museum to object to this day Absolutely absolutely and there has been an over a very positive support coming from Canadians on this issue so I am expecting to see a lot of protest in Montreal people getting on the bus and the cards on and see what we can do about it but we are also going to be looking at if there are legal venues because this is an Constitution and the vote be looking into that and others as well for our organization where I do social services will be I'm sure it's getting women for counseling for me you know empowering them program and the courage but at the same time. I'm also supporting the families because children of these women who wear the niqab are just such you know one or two percent of the total québec population. How are they feeling how are they going to be harassed and really you know it's not a simple edict that has been passed but it is something that is insidious from the say about what they like to see who to protest march what form they might take there is likely to be a Rosa Parks moment is made she being the black woman who in nineteen fifty five if you get up the front of a Montgomery Alabama bus to see it for a white person says the front and that triggered off the civil rights movement essentially that's a point that he would say to get off the civil rights movement so we had about see him barking Canada I mean who rides movement and you have his bed there is a possibility because the civil society has come forward and receiving calls and e-mails from different sectors in the community giving their support doesn't matter if they're on the right or the left because you remember this is a slippery slope once you take a very rights of one Canadian you take of a tomorrow it could be another Canadian right but they're paying as there was a fudge moment have already happened in in Canada when our previous government wanted to ban a woman from taking the citizenship. And bearing in the car and one Muslim woman who was then the car took it all the way up to the court and once. Again but it was also the information around it the narrative was Oh these women how do they know that who they are what they say that they are both court system is set up for citizenship and the woman takes off a job she is identified for who she is and then they go into court but the place the courtroom is a public space and cameras are there. And so you know an interesting thing is we have to ask a favor I have to of have a low seventy's woman has been wearing a gas figure on providing the best doing all kinds of stuff to just doctors you name read a lever been an issue right and suddenly today you know that elections are up and there is a populous really that you know and that I'm a phobia has become acceptable if you think you can cash in on this show it's it's very as I said in fifty years and it's a very collegial. City from the National Council of Canadian Muslims She's also the Executive Director of these nomic Social Services Association. And listen to this the fake news is going crazy with wacky Congresswoman Wilson who was secretly on a very personal and gave return to law on consent well and I quote That is one of the very latest tweets from Donald Trump remarkably A new report in The Washington Post has found that he's tweeted more than eight hundred times now since becoming president and that amounts to more than eleven thousand five hundred minutes or eight days or approximately three percent of his time in office has been spent to eating or composing treats Washington Post correspondent Philip Bump compiled the figures and I asked him if we should be surprised that the president has treated so much well we certainly do we spend a lot of time tweeting given how often to. I think that I was still surprised when I actually tried to figure out how much time he'd spent over the course of this presidency I was surprised by the extent of time that he appears to spend doing just that yeah it does seem on the surface when you say the he has spent some three percent of his time in office tweeting zero eight days and his time in office or if you like eleven thousand five hundred minutes of his time in office two each in the I'll break it down a little bit further than a different where. In the second so what you're saying is that he has spent on average. Or he tweets on average once every three hours and forty minutes doesn't sound like a lot when you break it down like that I know he's going to sleep some of the times to write LOL what I'm actually saying is that it takes him about six and a half minutes to formulate a twenty. Different sort of calculus right and so that's based on you know sometimes will do two tweets in a row the continuous thoughts and on average it takes about six and a half minutes to finish that second part of his tweet as of we assume that that's a lot of pigs and that means that given is tweeting other times he's spent a solid you know it solid twenty four hour days doing this as a not just a function of how often is tweeting it's actually how long it takes and he likes to tweak it is it definitively he that is sending the Swedes Dizzee know of an Office of people who thinking I know is coming this great idea I mean he may press the button disobedience perhaps compose some of those two. Now there certainly are other people that have access to his account and who tweet for him there is a guy named Danske of you know who runs a social media who we know can tweet from the Donald Trump account at times it's also the case that before he actually want to watch and we heard stories about how he would sort of shout out tweet story full of people and one of them once want to send out under his name and there have been times when he's been pre-planned went like there's a legal statement that he made on Twitter as well we also know that he said she watches T.V. Most mornings and I don't read along with the T.V. Shows watching which is usually Fox and Friends who do that just this morning so we know that the vast majority of these tweets are from him and are pretty obviously so you had to sometimes you see the language is consistent as it were and but it does complicate the issue was you stars who say well yes they're responsible for every single tweet I mean this is not a charge as it would seem on the surface in a city is it of a president who is as no good he's all the job these guys all the social media rather than being president and commander in chief minutes into Does Donald Trump is an unusual president a lot of different ways this is certainly one of the ways. He tweets for more you can see if it took him ten seconds to tweet he tweeted so often that it still consumes a lot of his time in his thinking and he sees it is advantageous he argues that this is his way of stepping around the mainstream media which is out to get him and said he can present his view of things to his followers and so on so forth all of that said he does that a lot of times yeah it's a new kind of democracy as much as you could say is he tweeted as much net is when he first took office. Actually fairly been fairly consistent over the course of his time in office he tweeted a lot more on the campaign trail as you might expect and actually there have been a few periods where he's gone through sort of lulls one of them was during the hurricanes in Texas and Florida in tweet as much then and actually his popularity went up which I don't think necessarily directly related to is not tweeting but suggested his focus on other things is focused on the for games and I think that was reflected in the fact that he was tweeting as much and I think it did him some good as well he said he believes it too it's it is a useful tool What about the American public the great American public from what you know. As much damage with these two incidents. There was a majority of Americans think that he should stop tweeting and particularly stop tweeting the way that he does you know he sort of private justify why this is a useful thing for him to do but really the reason he doesn't is because he has this knee jerk reaction where he wants to get his view out there and he wants to you know if there's something he disagrees with you want to make his opinion known you can't prevent him from doing it and Twitter is a very good outlet for him to do that but Americans overall have been told repeatedly repeatedly even Republicans think they need to chill out on the tweeting and what about the politicians and they paid so for this all the politicians in Congress or else way. See them taken to it's as a way of getting in touch with their constituencies. Well there are there are some politicians certainly who use Twitter in a more aggressive way now that Donald Trump is you know the way he does as a gentleman are in Congress and head Lou in California who tweets pretty outrageous stuff usually in response to try and gain some notoriety for that but you know there's a risk down from an abnormal politician most moral politician can say or do things from dies or says and get away with that voters look askance at that but people look at from people they always have had from his that to them as a Washington Post correspondent Philip Bump Let's get the news from down under not as breeds a film in Sydney quite a momentous day the food because it marks the end of an era really doesn't yes the last car has rolled off the production line at the Holden fact tree in Adelaide marking the end of mass comm making in this country now Holden was the company don't and that gave Australia its first ever homegrown mass produced TA and it's been shipping cause to the Middle East and Brazil for many many years it follows Fords and Toyota in shutting up shop here in Australia the domestic car industry really being overtaken by cheap imports and also really an old time motif set that was slow to adapt and slow to take on new ideas and methods government subsidies have also been reduced over the years and the hundreds of workers in Adelaide and now losing their jobs and for them this is a very sad day it have your ups and downs sympathies are very marginal time is another straw in our condo. And it's a sad day for this country well we're losing manufacturing and I might a great product as well I started working on hundred seventy eight when it was four thousand food on wood. Is working at this point I'll be honest though I did know there was a Holden car company because crucially in terms of exports they never exploded in Europe just how how great a loss is this to strain in general beholden has in fact being owned by the American company General Motors since the nineteen thirties so it isn't an Ozzie icon the Holden car but it has American roots and an American Foundation in terms of that business model and of course we look at what's been happening to the automotive industry in Australia over the last few years and really Holden is reflective of a manufacturing sector on the slide and you speak to experts in this country Dalton And they say that for Australian manufacturers to remain viable in all sorts of different areas their operations will have to be focused on products or high value or high tech goods where they can develop export markets and compete internationally so the days of those quite old fashioned large manufacturing plants such as car makers in Australia are well and truly over we do understand that the last car rolled off the Holden production line in the last couple of hours so this is a fairly momentous day for Australian manufacturing and as we say a very sad day for the hundreds of Holden workers who will now be unemployed but of course the ripples of business the multiplier effect as economists call it Dalton is that those industries further downstream those industries those companies that supplied Holden with all sorts of car parts and caterers and textile businesses all of these industries will be affected by the closure of this part of this plant so it's not just about the Holden workers who will be affected but many of those others in those supply chains in other news row understand the Australian is taking his place on the United Nations Human Rights Council but it's not without its critics. No Australia elected alongside other countries such as Afghanistan Pakistan and cats now the UN Human Rights Council was set up a decade or so ago to promote and protect human rights and Australia's election on a three year term has caused quite a mixed response in this country the government will point to Australia's record of resettling more than eight hundred sixty thousand refugees since the end of the Second World War Also the government says that it's closing down its detention centers where asylum seekers have been held also taking all children out of those detention centers on the other side of the ledger you have organizations such as Oxfam and Amnesty International raising questions about Australia's treatment of refugees in those offshore processing centers Australia has run in Papa New Guinea and the tiny island of Nauru also raising questions about Australia's treatment of its indigenous peoples Aboriginal Australians for example die on average about ten years younger than everyone else so a mixed response as we say but the Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop talking about the position on the UN Human Rights Council says that Australia deserves its position that we are principled and pragmatic voice when it comes to human rights and focus will be on a number of issues including the empowerment of women indigenous rights strong domestic human rights institutions and the like. JULIE BISHOP There Australia's Foreign Minister Australia has been elected alongside Spain it will sit alongside on the UN Human Rights Council Daulton countries such as Saudi Arabia the Philippines China and also the United Kingdom and Anna Brown who's from the Human Rights Law Center here in Australia believes this is a country that when it comes to human rights has much more work to do try to been effective choir of the council in promoting protections for people across but obviously there's other examples where a strategy needs to be standing up and need to be speaking up taking principle positions and not picking and choosing where it's going to stand up for human rights this morning obviously Australia were known for mining among some of things but one of its biggest mining corporations is not being accused of work. Of frauds by U.S. Investigators this is a case brought against Rio Tinto its former chief executive and its finance boss they have been charged with fraud by American or Thora to allegedly because they attempted to cover up multi million dollar losses on an African coal investment now these charges have been brought by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission it alleges accounting standards weren't followed and the mounting losses were hidden and at the heart of this story Dalton are some fairly alarming or startling statistics now Rio Tinto that's listed here in Australia and in London bought Mozambique coal assets in two thousand and eleven for three point seven billion U.S. Dollars So two thousand and eleven Rio bought interest in Mozambique for three point seven billion U.S. Dollars Three years later they sold them for fifty million U.S. Dollars So buying and selling at a very different rate and this concerns Tom our knees the former chief executive he's now left the company in the former chief financial officer Guy Elliott they deny all of these allegations and the company has said in a statement to the Australian share market that it would be vigorously defending itself it said that the case was unwarranted and would doubtless be rejected when the facts are considered but a huge corporate story here in Australia and very important as you say given the role that mining has played in Australia's recent economic prosperity just the overdose talking to Dawn Fraser to be one of our great is a limpin seven taken in for a limb pigs who. Used talking about Australia two thousand and the Olympics then when she was last out on a medal plays by what she described. As a blue saying that whatever he says you will but of course this is not coming photograph of her with Cathy Freeman lying on the track after winning the gold medal in that four hundred made since just to say that Australia is such a great sporting country so because something when the Commonwealth Games comes to the Go-Gos they ready yes in April next year yes well and truly I think the Gold Coast has learnt some very valuable lessons from Glasgow for example Sydney hosting the Olympic Games in Tuesday in two thousand and six years later the Commonwealth Games rolled into Melbourne so this is a country that's looking forward to another sporting gem bery and we now know that more than three and a half thousand Berets all holders will bring the Queen's bats on across Australia to the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony on the fourth of April.

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