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Paul that all has made it very clear that he was to go after labor in the north of England now the Ukip didn't feature so well in cope and in the general election it was the Tories who came 2nd they'll be campaigning there hard too but certainly I think in Stoke there could be a potentially a fight on the hand Gerry Adams claims taken Northern Ireland out of the e.u. Will destroy the Good Friday Agreement the Shin Fein president says it will be a hostile action but the top legal adviser to Stallman ministers says the agreement won't be affected and the Church of Wales has consecrated its 1st female bishop Canon Joanna pan but he has previously spoken out about the discrimination she's faced she was officially appointed at a ceremony in Cardiff that by the Archbishop of Wales Dr Barry Morgan the thing for today seems. To be so I think Cox says it will because if we was important she suctioning the gene pool. 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Playoffs on the world to see the bulls of the wall tonight would be the last game sometimes lost souls from such a forest. With respect. To create a. Focus on 5 flights. A levels if you can switch to digital Radio 5 Live. The Championship this is the Steelers in the wings and teaches f l 5 life and 5 Live Sports Extra. This is a foot out of 5 of them Dawson added coming up in this hour we'll have a view from the White House looking back over Donald Trump's 1st day in office and what a day that was we ask him why protesters around the world have been taking to the streets to show their displeasure and they know Gratian of the new American president will be in Brazil where Chappaqua n.z. Of played their 1st game since the crash that killed most of their squad and for him to quote will open up the phone lines for books phone in where we all should see help us find enough support to soundtrack of up or not and this one we're asking often the best basket renditions of a classic So what's the best performance of a classic cheering. That you've heard and where did you hear it Jason says about 25 years ago in an underpass of Coventry's ring road it was Pink Floyd's wish you were here gets our voice only Dolphus gone for Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd it was in kids in 2001 amazing guy did request through the crowd like a gig and I tipped him 20 pounds that was pounds not dollars made. So I will start with those protests in Washington and elsewhere across the world this was the scene in Washington d.c. Earlier as half a 1000000 women and quite a few men gathered to protest against the election of Donald Trump. So what exactly was it that they were protesting about 25 lives and a Foster spoke to some of the people taking part in Washington some of them sporting quite distinctive headwear. Right. Where from Baltimore we're about 50 people were moms and dads and kids and we're saying you've got to show up to make a difference and we're here today protesting the recent election and we're here today to say we need to make a difference women matter and men quality men supporting women are all about this right now tell me your name Deb guilty and was it you who pulled all these people together no I did not live in shadows pull people together let me tell me yeah. I mean this is how many how many of you all together there's 47 of us from West Moore So what was that when you heard about this March and what was it made you think we need to be that we just needed to do something everybody just didn't know what to do and we just need to do something the 1st thing we thought was we need to get to d.c. We needed a bus we needed to do it so I knew you guys when you just needed to show up your hats I was just about to mention there are so many pink hats here but you will have much involved tell me about them one of the one of the women that came with us on the bus she we decided that we should have something to unite us and she had ordered the show up that this is you want to go there Wendy Boyer when you really stand out because these a New York I see great day here in Washington and you can see you guys from a long way away that was point and we got the show up from Obama's speech that was his parting words to the people was to make a difference you need to show up so that's what we're doing here today and we hope we can keep moving it forward and make a difference we can hear the chanting in the shadowy route. So I describe for me what it feels like to be here it's so emotional it makes me so proud I can't even contain how. Immensely moved I am to see just the sea of people representing people who need to be represented who are maybe not able to make it. We're here to make it for everybody here's a question of all people listening because right here yesterday just over there on the Capitol building you go to new president. Donald Trump is your president are people listening to what you say because you don't agree with his presidency but he's the boss Well I think that the numbers and actions today will speak for themselves I think that something like 10000 people showed up yesterday I think today the estimates are between 25500000 people will show up and I think the actions of people just showing up being vocal seeing all these brilliantly are created signs around us will absolutely make a difference I think that our children are listening I have 2 daughters at home and the reason I'm here is because I have daughters and we cannot allow the kind of attitudes that Trump has said he supports We cannot allow homophobia and Xena phobia and racism and massage to prevail in this country so I think that by showing up people will listen. Yes yes we can. Replicate across the United States and in 600 cities across the world from New York to l.a. Paris Berlin Prague Sydney Cape Town Here's what some protesters gathering in London today have been saying. On the basis of his position on climate and climate change things that could happen to women across the globe I think it's pretty dangerous. Stance where it's really dangerous I'm tired of living sexualize sometimes tired of being objectified basically just to protest against everything that comes to and. It's getting very close to. D.c. That was the place to be I suppose in a host of celebrities addressed a huge crowd of demonstrators at the women's March the Including the Hollywood actress Scarlett Johansson I pledge my relentless devotion to support women's health care initiatives I will not stop fighting to make basic when. Health care available to all * I believe with every fiber of my being that the conversations that we have with our partners and our doctors about what we do with our bodies and our future should not be made father for any politician or political agenda lawmaker and for profit corporation. We must stand up for Why are our basic human rights and always move forward never backwards the current political administration benefits from taking the power away from us don't give up your power. This week suggest Mason is the Royces White House correspondent and Jeff What a day what a day this is really a day of action was a remarkable 24 hours how would you sum it all up well it was a remarkable day then. I don't even know how to sum it all up a lot happened. I was at the White House all day and so I went with President Trump to the National Cathedral this morning and back to the White House after that any His motorcade that we were in and asked some of these protesters some of the signs also passed some supporters. But there were certainly a lot of protesters out there and you could hear them from the South Lawn of the White House when the motorcade arrived there and we got out of the cars then he went to the CIA in the afternoon and I don't know if you played any imposed clips. On your show yet but he the president was turned what we thought was going to be a speech sort of trying to mend fences with the intelligence community into an attack on the media for suggesting that there's a rift between the intelligence committee and present trump it all but you'll remember that it was President Trump as president elect to send a tweet comparing them to Nazi Germany. And then a night at least at the White House ended with his press secretary John Spicer coming out and delivering sort of a blistering attack on the media for suggesting that Donald Trump's crowd at the inauguration weren't that big. And then leaving the podium without taking questions What was it like being there when Donald Trump was addressing the CIA having him describe your profession as my son trustworthy profession as and ever in the CIA applauding Yeah you know. It's typical tromped So in some ways I guess I shouldn't have been surprised I think I was just surprised by the venue but it's not typical intelligence agencies it to. Turn inspiring to go into the media in that way yeah no and that's why I said I was surprised by the then you know I just it's definitely not what I was expecting but that. And that. You know that doesn't change overnight just because he's the president is the president now and. That's what he chose to focus his remarks on during his time at the CIA There were there were 2 attacks on the media today from the chum camp because there was that one. When he was speaking to the CIA But then there was this other attack somewhat bizarrely I suppose from the White House press secretary gave his 1st briefing to the media and the briefing is being interpreted somewhat as fake news what do you mean I meant the briefing that was talking about how many people were at the Trump inauguration yesterday which seems to fly in the face of all other. Suggestions that there were less people at the Trumpet or Gratian much less than they were and the president in organization 8 years ago for example and yet the press secretary of the White House seems to be suggesting that this was the most attended best attended Gratian ever in u.s. History. Yeah you know the statistics he was using there I think was not were not just people who attended in person but who watched on television. I can't speak to the numbers that he cited. But it's clearly something that is bugging the commander in chief and I think that's why he sent his press secretary out to make that statement you were with the president all day I wonder how how would you assess the 1st day you know office was he does he's a Buddhist Why don't see how the. Legacies of his predecessor President. Yes And that started last night actually shortly after the inauguration parade he came into the Oval Office and he signed a couple commissions that would allow 2 generals to serve in a cabinet who otherwise would not have been able to and then he signed an executive order. Basically allowing or encouraging Cece and government departments to ease what he called the burdens of Obamacare also known as the Affordable Care Act And that is seen as a step towards dismantling that law how different from from what you've seen so far is this president from the previous president I'm from your perspective as a White House correspondent how different will your job be evident for you is totally different I mean I don't I can't even really begin to say how that's different they're 2 completely different men 2 completely different leaders are 2 completely different styles and clearly you know completely different philosophies and and policy priorities so that alone would make it different but their styles are also significantly different and that facts. Fit the life of a White House correspondent only because we have the privilege of seeing that up close on a pretty frequent basis so we've seen it in the last 24 hours and it is definitely different Jeff thank you for that Jeff Mason there Royce's White House correspondent that the marches as I say across the United States and indeed across the world would show up 5 lives very an awful night story is in Boston and early asked him what's been going on that there's been a remarkable pouring of I think. Whether you call it protest or whether you just call it marching they've called it the women's MOTs and the women's March started from a tiny seed in the organizers said oh let's have a women's March on Washington and we'll meet the way. Rushing to Monument you know the great big gobble asc in the middle of the mall there which we saw in the inauguration and we'll all get together and we'll will console each other for for what we assume is going to be a tough 4 years and then this thing to cough it went viral to the extent where no it's not only cities in the United States but little Tyrone so I figure I've seen 600 different places where people were marching and that was just in the United States that we didn't count London where there's a March didn't count other places where they were marching So something really touched a nerve here and I for my part I didn't see grief I didn't see sadness I saw in a way a celebration I think it was I think it was enormously therapeutic for people and largely women but not all women by any means plenty of men but lots of women and their men if you like to get out and be together and say look here lots more people like me the Washington one was the catalyst was and people are calling a half a 1000000 woman March of last essentially what it was an attracted women from all across the country what are the reasons that women have been saying to you about why they've taken part in these marches right across the country. I think if I could give voice to a couple of friends of mine who went from here so that's like a 6 hour journey whichever way you cut unless you fly and I would say for them it was a sense of moment a sense that they they or the themselves maybe they owed it to their daughters marry the daughter so with them to be there and to make a statement and to make a statement on the 1st day of the term presidency was for them most important because so many women were deeply offended by the Access Hollywood to not just by their Access Hollywood tape obviously we don't need to go that was the way that all go I would just remind people of well I will I will I was a tape of Trump and show host coming off a bus fella called Billy Bush and making very demeaning remarks about a couple of the women and you know we know this is this is for him but it was extreme even for Donald Trump and it went went seriously viral so Ok that was the extreme event but people understand. That. That their freedoms are they think maybe that maybe that's wrong to say they understand that their freedoms are risk but they think their freedoms are risk and they think they have to go out and defend them and maybe they're just saying I'm going to do this get in 1st. Is there any sense that this there will be a continuation is this was Saturday a one off well there's a question and I think in retrospect we could very well see it as a high watermark but we could also see it as a catalyst for local organizing and I know that you know people of. Liberal persuasion Democrats who are licking their wounds are all saying organize locally make sure that when the next election comes around the turnout as much higher because this state of course Americans were wishy washy about their election and you cannot deny that part of this falls to people who didn't come out and forward because otherwise the turnout would have been 48 percent it would have been something decent like 68 percent so somehow along the way a lot of people just got the idea well they didn't like Hillary Clinton and of course they thought they didn't like Donald Trump or maybe they did like Donald Trump they came out and voted for him in great numbers and numbers enough to get him elected is a very difficult one to slice Mr Trump has won the election I think that most people who are on the March has accepted that they were in there to question his legitimacy. Well that's the question there is no because a lot of the critics over there you would know this better than we are being in the place to be as it were a lot of the critics there is saying that these demonstrations are demonstrations by people who want to really run the concerts and the election that's already been won I think that's an obvious point but it's probably the wrong point because they are no facing a new reality and so they're trying to pilot their way through this and the way that the older women are doing this and I certainly spoke to a few of them as they are going back to their youth when their use was Vietnam and their use was protest and they're thinking this is the main weapon or the main tool that I have as a citizen and I always think that citizenship is something that Americans take very seriously you're instructed in and when you become an American citizen you're told that it's your obligation to go out and get involved in your community and to do things that build up their democracy in a constructive way I think that people take that role pretty seriously although if they take it that seriously just knocking down my own point why did only 40 percent of them turn out to vote that's the problem but a lot of them just left the presidential line blank and get on with the business of choosing a senator or a congressman or whatever it was in that November election wrote I heard you earlier this evening on far vive on our colleague Steve Nolan's program in response to a comment by McCurry indeed saying you saying that these women who were protesting on Saturday were not protesting for Donald Donald Trump I mean in the sense that they were protesting to gain his attention it wasn't about him he wasn't the focus of the protests it was a wider focus if you like than that what did you mean exactly who I meant what is. Objective Well I think it was a cry that the sky I think it was for them a think it was being part of a bigger voice which could be heard just for the day beyond the ballot box and maybe in the halls of power but mostly it was being heard by them right there where they were and that would give them a sense of relief because a couple of months of sitting at home and shouting at the t.v. Doesn't half get you cranked up and I think that was where they where I think they were in that place. What does it matter politically in America millions of women across the country protested what does it matter if you like do women's lives matter in that I know you mean but queerer Where is this going and has to go I think for it to make any sense has to go into the classrooms so that a new generation become politically active and don't become politically apathetic it has to go into local democracy so that a group of people who have coasted and allowed an older generation to do all the heavy lifting actually get involved and and it has to feed its way up through the democratic process through all the many ways in which people are represented they're not just represented by the president they're represented most importantly at congressional level in the state in the Senate and in the House of Representatives and in the state houses by their local state representatives and state senators and by the governor so it's this is a question I think about where power resides and what you're going to see based on the fact that there were a lot of well for people here in Massachusetts or a lot of Massachusetts top government people there today at the rallies saying Massachusetts. It's not going there the attorney general was there to say to Donald Trump if you think you're going to take away people's health care Well we'll see you in court that's a direct quote from Mara Healy there is going to be a tremendous. Push and pull between Washington and the states and the blue states are going to be pulling the hardest the red states where Mr Trump was safely elected one assumes will be rather more inclined to go along with what he suggests So this I'm afraid is not a uniting moment for America it's another divisive moment for America but it's those blue states which lost out in the election really having their say at this time in those blue places the big cities really having a big scene Rajab that to me from Boston the football team have played their 1st match since the crash that killed most of the squad they do with national champions by Maris before thousands of this approach is in the sissy Shoppach Oh well. A reporter for Associated Press and you were there at the stadium Russo What was the atmosphere like yeah death of him was there is a very emotional 1st for the survivors of the crash were also there to lift the broken cup of the many come up with the trophy that they were traveling for when Yet the top and the fans were really excited about having that team back and this is a very small series of about 200000 who have it feels like a rebirth of the city as well you can see that the match in a way made the city revive you can see the trees or something cause there's people going out there is so it is very different from the left and we were here in the beginning of December and there were some remote new elements before the match began as you would expect so those events those moments. Well the 1st thing that happened was players that survived the crash being awarded with the pro thing showing that the crowd with a lot of this is one of these with a list of the trophy but under NASA said you had to do some extra work all this week just to be able to lift the trophy then the families the men the families of the victims they were awarded medals as well and that was one of the most emotional moments when you could see the service the survivors trying to the pl from from from the families and some of them still feeling of course very upset about that then the math again for the 1st goal and that made subsequent defense very suspicious because they know they want that back in a way as well but then with the level just 3 minutes later and that may be the huge pile of relief in the city and you can see to be worth starting to get enthusiastic again as a 71st minute the natural stuff because that's also the number of victims of the aircraft in Colombia and it was a minute of not of silence but of applause and and sense of let's go stop this with the name thing in shorts and it. Ended in a nice note to say no one was disappointed in the end there were still families going around the aftermath and this and it was very clear that the result was the thing to say the least mattered it was just a very good moment to restart the city about the the cim which perished in that and crash was really cleaned sides if you like to the spirit of the city in rebuilding that is there a sense of that connection still to do the job of 2 engines residents to do they have that same connection with the team that has been rebuilt. Why yes it is partly built but this is a city that lies very far from the city the bridges of 500 kilometers away from the State Dept of. Some of this and this is from other states that this is really a very isolated area in Brazil on the border with Argentina and they would build their own way very differently from other cities and they want to see that these players are cut from the same cause that the player is a terrorist Well the custom coat partner Mark is experienced in like that and he was a champion of the Brazilian Cup in 2005 with a team that is almost like upper classes of all of and he is that point right but of course say they have to assemble these were 4 players and only 20 days was variance as they're still hiring people and of course the city will feel more excited about the team and the coach who want to see the results come in the marriage and thank you marriage to the reports of result you'd pressure after the news will continue assessing charms 1st day in office and all the events surrounding that and also we'll hear from Gambia where it seems now there has been something of a peaceful if not somewhat bizarre transfer of power from the outgoing president to the incumbent but 1st let's go the latest 5 of headlines as we say in the. Digits on smartphones and tablets this is b.b.c. 5 Live the prime minister says series I'm a woman president the White House on Friday a possible trade deal nice impregnates are expected to be on the agenda more than a 1000000 people join protests against Donald Trump in cities across the u.s. At least 23 people have been killed and about 100 engines in a train crash in the south eastern Indian state of the product many people a sense of the charts the defeated presidents of the Gambia Gemma has finally left the country he'd been refusing. Except last last month's presidential election and the u.k. Played a will stand in the Stoke central byelection poll muscle is hoping to replace Labour's Tristram Hunt he's resigned to take a job at the Vienna. Let's cross to Melbourne now and get the latest from the Australian Open with easy salmon were Andy Murray and Don Evans go in search of a straight Open quarter final places later today Well number one Murray faces the player who 1st competed against at the age of 12 while world ranked 51 Don Evans in the British number 3 takes on 12 seed and former finalist here in Melbourne Joe Wilford Tsonga both matches relies over on sports sex or we think from around 3 am do you k. Time what you better stop of think Angelica and Venus Williams also in action today and we do have our 1st singles quarter finalist for 2006 girls champion understands the public beating spent a lot of his nets in straight sets 6363 to reach her last 8 in Melbourne for the 1st time we have you with us today sport is clear cutting it so Bobby Charlton says Wayne Rooney is a truly great for club and country Rooney over to Charlton's goal scoring record at Manchester United scoring his 250th goal for the club in a one old tour against Stoke City iconic figure. Has been for many years when you sign for the club. To this football club and surpassing goals as you know it's. Sort of. The lives of the. Most respectful. And congratulated me. He's pleased Tottenham came from 2 goals down to draw 2 all with Manchester City Spurs only had 2 shots on target in the match but City boss Pep Guardiola says his side needs to improve always we can do is create a better and better that is what we can do but. It's the same of all this is this is up and keep going. You know we are corrupt. That would happen but Him source of protein what would we do in the place we didn't answer that again it's $10.00 out of the bottom 3 after a $32.00 win over Liverpool and filled it means Chelsea could go 9 points clear at the top of the table if they'd be a whole city today Sarrasin secured a higher match in rugby union Champions Cup quarter finals off debate in 2 long $103.00 the French side also go through to the last 8 as pool runners up they'll be joined by Glasgow who thrash left a $43.00 nil at Welford Road Ronnie O'Sullivan goes for a 7th Masters title later today he'll play Jerry Perry in the final after he Barry Hawkins by 6 frames to 5 now was won this tournament more than 6 times but O'Sullivan says he's not bothered about the records Cabot's and way honest because if I won this one of the figure I want to win another one I want to win another one but I really can't my I'm going past and I'm just enjoying myself for the great said well should I be doing. A lot really suffered a great deal most people pay for the privilege and persimmon 45 on 5 Live Sports Extra you can a commentary from England's final one day international the series against India the hosts of already secured the series victory b.b.c. 5 live for us it likes to be a woman working in the cardinals of power at the heart of u.k. Government has asked female members of parliament about their day to day experiences of the job and the challenges they face or hear about sexism and personal attacks the impact of the job on family life and what they saying is the best way of encouraging more women to consider politics as a career so that throughout the day on Wednesday we'll be finding out exactly what they say does the 5 Live women in politics 71 instead of 5 across the u.k. This is b.b.c. 5 Ok might go to the bio news from Washington now Donald Trump's 1st full day as u.s. President of course he's known for being bullish but the new book tells Press Secretary. Sean Spicer has come out fighting 2 denying claims of low crowd numbers at yesterday's you know Gratian this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration period both in person and around the globe even the New York Times printed a Fatah of a photograph showing they that a misrepresentation of the crowd in their original tweet in their paper would show the full extent of the support death in crowd and intensity that existed these attempts to lessen the enthusiasm of the United Nation are shameful and wrong spice added the some American media were serving division by putting fools who proves about the no Gration across so can we expect this combative style of news conference to become the norm during President term in office let sauce Professor Bob Thompson director of media and popular culture at Syracuse University Professor have you witnessed this kind of combative style from White House press secretary be full no and in answer to your question can we expect this to be the norm I think the answer is a resoundingly yes there's absolutely no evidence to indicate that this is going to change we've seen it for months and months before we see it now that Donald Trump is is in the office and I think this is going to be very much the norm and it's especially interesting that the 1st full day in office. Sean Spicer gives his 1st kind of performance as press secretary and the fact that he chooses to focus in on the fact that people are saying the crowds weren't big enough is really kind of an astounding thing but that wasn't all that was astounding one of the ways he proved what he was saying was by to cite something the New York Times had reported now we know that Donald Trump and his people have been attacking the New York Times as being has been. The paper no longer relevant constantly getting things wrong but here he uses the New York Times to in fact support and we've seen that a lot how when the press is doing stuff that they like then they get thanked and they get cited when they did doing stuff that they don't like the opposite happens what's the impact of that kind of. Conversation then with not just the press of course but with throne of America well if this gets really complicated let's take the basic take away from that press secretary thing was this claim that this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration period. But then he goes on to say but nobody has numbers the National Park Service doesn't put together numbers so he's made a claim which he then goes on to say that there's no was the numbers to support it the press however did go on to look at that 1st of all in the areas that the press secretary said were completely full as he was trying to come up with his own numbers we have photographs from yesterday which showed that those areas were in fact not filled in comparative photographs that those same areas had more people in them in 2009 in 2013 than this time around the claims he made about the metro people using the public transportation also don't stack up the numbers that he gave are not the numbers that we get from the metro public transportation agency itself and then if we go to television ratings 30600000 is what's been estimated that watch the Trump inauguration yesterday compared to 38000000 in 2900 and it crossed the well didn't he did had that og b. I did how you measure that kind of thing but maybe this was was across the world move in any of the new groups and that could be right in the in the 3rd that 3rd part because a lot has happened a lot more people are watching this stuff by streaming than were 8 years ago or even 4 years ago and I suppose there is a possibility that if you added those all together that might be the case but we got no evidence for that claim certainly not to make the claim and then use the word period after it which means this is an arguable because he can is no more got an ability to compare let's say 2013 Zindagi aeration. To this one then that anybody else does at this point so these declarative positive statements which in many cases can be very quick. We kind of denied would make one think that nobody would everybody would immediately then believe the person but here's the most serious part of this is that there are a lot of people out there who have become so convinced to be entitle ism and anti media and associating it with the lead ism that even if they see cold hard facts stacked up against claims it doesn't really seem to matter and that's something that I think journalists are still having a hard time figuring out which is what if we do our due diligence What if we do our job what if we refute these claims with facts and then a large percentage of the citizenry just doesn't change doesn't care that the facts don't stack up with the claims and that's really complicated and on to help the situation yeah how is that going to pat out and what's going to be the conclusion of that if you have I mean a lot of Americans you can understand will believe what the president says that's what the legend in full to tell the truth among some things what the president says becomes history we know that and if the president's present country is dismissing any conversation that the press might be having that doesn't tally with what the message they want to get out that. Is the American public gauge listen to well that's the big question and this is uncharted territory and far be it for me to make a prediction because every prediction I've made about this candidacy from the time he rode the escalator down to announce it has for the most part been wrong so. We're going to have to see and clearly this administration is now and the candidacy before that has decided to make the media the equivalent of an opposition party one of the ways he's going to be able to continue to play David to some other goal why if once he. The most powerful person in the world is to have the media somehow be. The new Goliath which is going to go up again where does that leave the Democrats in policy then that should bring official opposition that that's another whole story entirely because the Democratic Party let's face it this was pretty much a tight election in fact the Democrats won the. Popular vote by a very small margin but the leadership now in the Democratic Party I guess is the former president because it's. Completely arise so we're going to see over the next couple of months all kinds of different things happening and I think it would be foolish for me or for that matter for anybody to really try to predict how it's going to how it's going to play out but a healthy journalistic establishment is important to a democratic republic and the citizenry that's willing to take that take facts and report Taj and make decisions accordingly is just as important and at least in the 2nd of those elements that seems to be collapsing in some cases and I find that disturbing does that make me an elitist I guess but. That's what I think is true well he's providing you with a lot of topics with discussion for your classes with undergraduates for the next 20 is no doubt professor has been a President thank you very much Professor Bob Thompson the medium popular culture Syracuse University and I don't deny this presidency so far is feeding the press with a lot of discussion points as well now during these gc's on Saturday present chum denied that he's got a feud with the intelligence community or has had a feud with the intelligence community speaking at the CIA headquarters Mr Trump promised strong backing to the agency. And said what its abilities were needed in the fight against Islamic state medicines he told employees of the CIA that there was no one who feels stronger about the intelligence community than him I want to just let you know I am so behind you and I know maybe sometimes you haven't gotten the backing that you've wanted and even to get so much backing maybe even to say please don't give us so much backing. Mr President please we don't need that much backing. But you're going to have that last week and I was a former senior CIA official thanks to talk just let me 1st will address the context of this speech which was a perceived feud between the intelligence services and Donald Trump What was your reading of that in the explanation of that because today the president is simply saying that it wasn't true going back as far as November whenever the feed was supposed to start in October before that the whole feud was an example of media misinformation with our doubts or the president never criticized the people who risked their lives together intelligence can risk their lives to commit other to get other people to commit treason against their own country who who actually kill anime's what he if he objects to was the president of the United States and the director of the Central Intelligence Agency lying about him and I think you have to assume that the 15000 employees of the Central Intelligence agencies are morons if they fought it it depends it was directed at them did I think the president made it clear today. That what he objected to was the end of the invasion really a civil servant like John Brennan who has never been anything but somebody schoolboy . Into the into the activities of the national government did the drawbridge of the CIA lie about the job apparently he did sir or he was the one who was a responsible for looking for. Providing that dossier of some former British intelligence officer to the press without a doubt you know nothing gets done. Accidentally leaks are directed from the top of the government whether it's from the president the time rates of the CIA. About prisoner outs are loaded out lied what the what the law I think what Europeans it I think sir what your opinion of the British people haven't understood is that under both George Tenet who was the beholden to Clinton and Bush and under John Brennan they were there to protect the president. That's all they were there for just go look for yourself sir how many times you have numerical Joint Chiefs of Staff said that the Afghan government was winning and now we're faced with the situation we're in there. That's very different from lying about the president you know well it is a lie and can be direct Why are we slowly now hearing about the president elect now let's be real there if the answer if the director of the c.i. a The most prestigious of the intelligence agencies of the United States essentially the intelligence agency is lawing about the incoming president has he not broken. Some serious flaws there is enormous or should he not be in cool should he not be arrested immediately for law again again sir but you have why there has or why hasn't he been arrested sir because the United States is a lawless country it's a country where no no just wait a minute now missions coin in the liberally used I'm classified I mean encrypted you know we have you know we know that in the Republic no doubt but we've covered that so many times and I'm saying right had been you're saying that the United States is a lawless country Absolutely sir. We have no laws at the border we have no laws regarding officials you know look at the most one being things are. Obamacare Act was a disaster for the American public but the Congress to pass or that's a matter of opinion you know that that's a matter of opinion you know there's no citation that the Congress exempted themselves from but that's a matter of opinion that it was a disaster for the American people know you well you know 17 percent increase in your in your your ear as you well as I recall it wasn't just the CIA the suggested the Russians had some kind of influence on the American presidential election was the f.b.i. As well and other agencies as I recall are you saying you know you saying that this president cannot trust any of those intelligence agencies because I'm saying you know sure I absolutely not the people who do the heavy lifting the people who risk their lives those people are American nationalized but under the Bush administration and the Obama administration the intelligence agencies have been so do with political apparatchiks that's what I'm saying and I told Mr Trump preened of them out he probably will have a very hard time trusting his intelligence agencies he will have to clean them out completely and they have to clean out the senior levels right and he'll replace them with new interests who should be replaced the particular people that he needs to clean up with Well he'll have to replace them with someone he trusts 1st of all and someone who can recognize the truth from the from false what is the truth when you say he decided. For example what Mr Trump talked about at the CIA today. He said that the Islamic state needs to be handled with and abrasiveness with the lethality that we haven't seen before and as I said earlier we've had presidents we've had vice presidents we had Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who told us that we're winning and for years on end and it's obvious whether it's in Afghanistan or Iraq that we're not winning sir and so if your intelligence if indeed the president and the Defense Department and the Joint Chiefs of Staff are saying you're winning and then and clearly you're not there is something wrong with the system would you make of Donald Trump speak for the top job in the CIA. Is he the right man for you he is a man sir I think that certainly is not somebody is poop boy he was like George Tenet was before before Brennan. And before the 2 the other 2 officers George Tenet was the head of this Senate Intelligence Committee's Democratic staff John Brennan was pendent assistant now all you can do is to try to get your best and Mr Palmdale is a congressman 1st in his class at West Point and a Harvard Law graduate now I don't hold a Harvard against him but I still think that it's important that you get a qualified. To excess Well individual then somebodies. Catspaw to be the head of the Central Intelligence Agency. Michael I wish I was brave enough to cause you for a translation of people it's an expression we don't have a very bright badge and. I think those who. Understand it I think we say that dog of you have it I think. But we read you loud and clear as it were and thank you very much for joining us this evening thank you by climbing higher sure you're always kind to me Michael Scheuer the former senior CIA official That's right it was the stories in Newsweek magazine now and their website by the way obviously can to mirror in good he's been covering the women's March from that I was at the March today. We did a couple of space but like video. I mean it's just incredible the much in London because it is I think it starts at the biggest protest I've attended and London I think the estimate is 100000 people with interest August watched sort of demonstrate and then I went d.c. And New York my colleagues are covering the March and obviously the one in d.c. Is it's the really really big one you know they they said they're expecting 500000 people show up I don't know how many have actually arrived but I was reading reports that don't even Gainesville to March because so many people you know they call it progress along one ridge so I mean it really is it's just kind of incredible and you know the protests in d.c. Sesame of the biggest protests some to drugs a little Gratian. And the women that. Were there why were they protesting giving needs to certain extent very American story you know I mean that's a good point I think you know 1st and foremost they would show solidarity with with women a surprise you know as well and in the us a feeling afraid now that trumps taken over but I mean people I think I would all praise as much as you know people's motivations of being that do you. A lot of people who are that say they don't like how politics is going more generally talking about things like rocks and I suppose the sense that with the coming sort of in terms of the Western world more sort of isolationist more insular you know they were there protesting that as well. But yeah I mean by and large it was supposed to struggles in fact even though we are supposedly a developed country women and not equal to men and I think a lot of people that just to demonstrate and say it's time you know women were given the rights they deserve at the other crucial point when we consider how these . How the process of you know spread across the world but even in the u.k. Is what was the medium that was used to bring everybody together a lot of people listening wouldn't even of know that there was a buildup to this there was some kind of coordination right I mean I I found out about that actually saw a colleague asked me if I was going to the March but I think very much it was disseminated on social media you know there was a big Facebook great set up a Facebook event for the set up for each of the marches because of course the marches happened in countries across the world it was just here and the u.s. I think you know is very much a word of mouth thing but I would be surprised if say the majority of listeners didn't know about that just because I think you know it was reported that you know national news outlets were saying these these marches and protests are being planned but as I say if you didn't have a Facebook account you might have missed who is Betsy divorce was she making the headlines in the Newsweek. And Patty Davis is one of Trump's cabinet picks she's going to be the Secretary for Education and she's in the knees made recently because she had her confirmation hearing so when she saw that and I think it's fair to say it didn't go very well it was quite clear very very quickly that she didn't really know too much about the the process of being the Secretary for Education. Anyway she didn't know about major federal laws it was quickly established that she never had any real experience watching in education particularly working with and with in the public school system and she never managed a budget on the shift scale of the us is educational budget but people are worried about her because it's not just that she's most experiments because you know in times of not having what to do in the public school system not even having attended a public school it's a fact the track record and her state Missouri has had track record and has state of Michigan has not been good to. Her and her husband her face very very wealthy have pushed hard to have the jobs the state expand its charter schools and children who've been attending my schools have not seen good performance you know the schools are essentially privately run organizations and some critics of us say that just basically a waste of money and that profiteering essentially And just to be clear when you say that she has never attended a public school we mean a state school in the state what we are at odds with no no no no no children just to clarify. In terms of what people expect her role to be is education secretary do we have any inkling of that. Well I think she's made it very clear she wants to expand the choice Americans didn't. 'd you know regard Lisa without Michigan she tried to expand charter schools She also supported about system which is where children a lot of the parents would be given a lot of money so they could park private schools. Be on not interest rate Not really she hasn't really said very much what she wants to do and I think you know it seems symptomatic of a trend cabinet as a whole that several people on it don't have very much experience I don't think. That policy will be good for Newsweek Ok I think it's fair to say we've done the easy stuff in this out you know that the hard stuff 509-0693. And what we're asking you for is when you've heard. 509 or 993. The about. This c.d.c. . And this is up to my knees on 5. Presidents at the White House on Friday and in sport Mario haven't lost 8 places at the Australian Open. This is b.b.c. 5 Live. At the White House says Theresa May will be the 1st foreign leader to have talks with President that he saw me to the White House where it's expected that discuss possible trade deals Mrs Ma is also likely to try to persuade the new president that NATO is vital to the security of Western countries Mr Press Secretary Sean Spicer the president has will welcome his 1st foreign leader this Thursday when the United Kingdom's Theresa May will come to Washington on Friday. It's now being confirmed they will meet on Friday more than a 1000000 people have turned out to protest against President jump in cities across the United States the rallies were originally planned in Washington to demonstrate against his statements on women these people in the u.s. Capitol told 5 live why they join the rally where I'm from Baltimore where about 50 people were moms and dads and chairs and we're saying you've got to show up to make a difference women matter and men quality men supporting women are all about this right now we just needed to do something to make a difference you need to show up so that's what we're doing here today and we hope we can keep moving it forward and make a difference is our North America editor John Sopel having seen today it's clear that many many more people were protesting against Donald Trump then came to his inauguration yesterday and that underlines just how divided this country remains one bit of division that Donald Trump tried to put an end to today was that visit to CIA headquarters no president has gone that quickly before but no president before his diction almost declared war on the agency the ministry of defense insists it has full confidence in the child didn't need a missile system despite reports that a test firing went wrong last year the Sunday Times says a missile fired from h.m.s. 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Dot co dot You Ok what's the best performance of a classic by a bus that you've had that gives your thoughts please the music critic Jonathan winger is with us good morning gentlemen good morning to us and this is going to be an exciting unpredictable ride tonight as well know that unpredictable because we heard from listeners one missed a indeed even heard vis from above. You could have said you know how you news do this yes this is remind ourselves that because and then imagine how a basket would have done it. And said is this is said he had a gent not. That jet is a crucial word they're playing whitish a detail on a good stock has that were in chest and that was as recently as this Christmas and I can't even imagine what you've got to imagine it that's the point because interestingly enough this is why tonight's book is so interesting because it's going to depend on list is descriptions of this will show not just of the song but of the busker this is just on the guitar you're thinking as a going to do those keyboards at the beginning on the guitar. Yeah that would be fascinating to hear can you can you believe that song was released in June 967 that's 50 years old this year what I can believe is an 8000 day. Car believe it is a basket chest this Christmas remember both because the looking for our support financial support and of course if you think Ok you done you've done a good job there you'll reach in your pocket for a pound 20 p. If you want but you're going to reach your pocket visible change for other Bosca and you know if they if they murder these cheered they're going to go home hungry are going Yeah and this is this is this does takes them I was there 10 and can tell me is there a how nice. I don't know if I got that same rights I don't speak Spanish but it just sounded like a word the same to suit the moment the occasion. In Swedish. You must know you could be stumped me there. The sort of thing about the Swedish language doesn't have strong words you know right there probably something like sub . Think you mean the word for could spend years well yes the chutzpah works for me that was a good way every time but never put. Well what is it that makes this. I mean it is just. The greatest son the whole time I think. Linda McCartney today I think she's famous. Like this you know something that you hate this. Mom and I didn't. Get. Along still live my life and I'm sure. She bought some today you know thank you my man I said a Life to Live it was going to make. Me to apologize One Life to Live longer to live it I'm going to eat. Rock n roll or like mc is with us itself on the mic Good morning yes come on down. And here have a spine for a while so take us to Bournemouth you imagine that you're working on the problem lot of bored with the way my secretary came over for some. Years I somewhat like cars from from the side of probably not. True to pleasure gardens a right mess sort of 2 lots of pleasure cogs and when you get some sort you cross this sort of main road and then it's kind of a parser error but all the shops around the erotic apartment stores and all that sort of thing. And as we reached out with their. They said I think it was almost like if you imagine we were asked by and would play but it wasn't actually apparent stand there and there's a young man with an electric cable. We sat there and we recently very clearly very dexterous on the cable I mean I've always been. Ambitions to try to keep always wished I could but he had a very individual voice and also as he played for good hearts and haven't for we moved on. And so you're trying to hold your attention both if you. Know that's what I mean that's a long time. Attention that's what about Wednesday and he's got she's a right change as well as me because it is one of your favorite make and merger Oh yes that's for sure and it is one of the pulse of us argue for a change don't you know I think like a me there of course was I was sat there must have been listening to the Bosco while Mrs results show me I don't get me wrong that does help doesn't it I mean the beer not the Mr notional fame maybe their talk why won't you accompanying her for the shop in. China something serious started and I am of course right here not want to have to bring the conversation down to that level of trying to just. Makes an old friend of the show and I thought I'd just get to the number that. Was to remain married for just know the few years Jonathan Ferrell as you say Mick Yes So what was it you. Chain was tangled and I think. By John how. Little by little in the background. He's not going. To marry Frank Sinatra and I think you know I think he's a genius and also John how this is a good version that I'll love I love you see. What people don't realize and I thought about this because the reason why we're doing this phone and this would be make is the other day you know the Mrs took me out for a drink oh that's nice and they were shopping but I mean. It was you know such a you know these. Clever they see me about Mrs coming out then immediately the guy goes into one. He was never played that before. And they are actually these guys like the sound system people they say let the right you know I think this is what this fight is about. Have a listen to thanks for the story make you. Dance and. What I can say. Is that it is a good job. That. Mix Mrs went out shopping. I'll tell you why. When you hear this version. Of just goes. And your partner is within the same postcode. Grab them. Pretty close for tongues you hug up clues you know I mean when I say close I mean time I'm talking skin to skin even though you're in public. Public we didn't even know we were in probably we just. Think that's what John holds for years now so. Yeah we're going to talk about John hold the in his name his name and now most famous for having written the Tardis high for blonde. With here this is from 1000 pulse of House which is the seminal album while trying to try. His that there's something so. Wonderful. This is what he is he hasn't been a mellifluous for an atheist he's I mean I we always talk about Molly on the show and you and I get into this thing about the on the reggae singer I always say he's the John Lennon of reggae of course. Through my life I love John Howell to me. He is one of the greats as Sun as. One of the greatest reggae So what you're doing is putting pressure on that poor robust Karim Bournemouth that may stumble upon you remember the guy had all these cables and now you're basically telling the boss to pack up his bags and go because he is no you know how this is the problem with people like me is that a place is not allowed a man you know if make is remembering this off to be here is now the man. It could have been it could have been Ok You know John Holtz we know that but the point about this is no. Does the equivalent of the original. Does something that makes you know we're out because music is famous for. Hundreds of musicians and I would guess a lot of them started off as well the passengers certainly the monks Elvis about lots and lots of music tons of them John and some of the Ok I'll tell you just a random example. Maybe he had made money when he was east. Which is the department store in New York. Lacey says to begin with and he I think he. And he would he made a fortune he always said to me. He always said to me that he if he didn't have a record day and it wasn't you know famous violinist he. Might. Have cause he cared because go violin playing classical music most prostitutes from the u.k. The cost of food to fly over to the states used every day. Living there he was he was studying at the school. Studying here at the year the menu him school and then I think if you're a violinist. And a play and of course the idea of a 2nd. Play 2nd work class complains it is dreadful you'd prefer to listen to. Your Mrs complaining a year being a passionate Michelle. You know come on it's one of the. All time. Hearing him well just the accident just threw me off you know what he used to do the ads but this is the thing that. I. Remember to the young remember during. For some stereo speakers anyway. He said. I know him and so you know you. Just want to spend the last 5 minutes praising him it's like. Come on crime and show them your views and then suddenly you declare an interest or something the people say he fell out with the head of the problems for some reason this is quite a strange he's an eccentric character where you send one of the greatest value to civil talk yet you say yeah I need it clear that you know he's a mate of yours yet but if I say that what do you. Question that with no indeed I would I would say I'm going to say I said it because people are funny about Nigel Kennedy because they think of him as a cartoon character so let's bring John into this conversation John good morning. I mean. When you join. The reason we're asking about Chines class achieved by buskers is because there are some times when buskers are so eloquent in their choice of shoot in the way they deliver it that we are forced to reach in our pockets and pay them something for the privilege for brightening up our day essentially isn't it yeah. I saw what doing stand I made a penny King. Tax base near the could see Joel and it was a cross section which cathedral actually took a seat right near there and it was fantastic and they had a whole brass section with yeah that's a little bit. Universe You see I don't know how you feel about this John and Jonathan into the you know there are buses and buses buskers can be an entire orchestra can't you can't ask is an intelligent u.k. And I. Mean like the r.p.o. Showing up. You said it was they said it's. A football team Yeah it was fantastic even how long and listened to it twice and what were they doing like brass band music. Yes they did stand by me I felt it here on the classics How do you share out on among people actually out a lot ask us the special. Sean I'm Ok fair enough what about the singing did they just play it was. It was instrumental It was instrumental yeah Ah so they did the did the process by come that she did that because obviously when you hear it. You wouldn't make any money they were actually I have I have been so you about that you can either because I have been asking for them or coming to that later on Sorry John you know they were spellbound everybody just stopped and of course spellbound is a different you know stick to one. So this was it. John thank you really appreciate that yeah going to enjoy this thinking about this band full orchestra by the way. Doing this that have to do this but right when that. Has Come. And. Let. Me just. Say. It does lend itself doesn't. Lend itself to the kind of read. That. You don't need the vocals. Exactly and you see this is why it's such a tricky thing with busking you know where we decided to do an instrumental version . Which change so we get to choose it will resonate immediately with remember people passing by as is sometimes you can even get them to this is more than a b. And a half before they move dog. So you got to resonate with them and somebody has sat down in the brass band and said let's do stand barmy. By Betty and somebody else in the Bronx but it's probably said that we can't get away with that because. I can see why it's taking the place of the but what about the roots really such a positive Jim a day is such an Merrick's No no I think yeah I don't even think I say the words but take the. Know what the we saw ahead of us standing up together made on each other around human beings this is love men who love long with a little bit of squalor of whom you didn't tell you didn't tell me a couple of weeks ago and I mean nothing about. Did I say yeah you did I haven't forgotten it's in teleplay Right now my school the press my I wouldn't say you can't say no you may have heard that but many have asked actually be sure it was me that said that because I remember I'm not saying I'm not I'm thinking of that kind of a car just yeah you can say. That at least we were on national radio Oh we were only radio that was right you know and I thought you know telling the whole country. Are similar I never say that which has been said before he died I might sound for me much when I see you or you say you can even sell off all these years when I can tell I'm just saying on the inside and I'm not saying out held a grudge but you know I'm now Truman saw as is true besides Was it me. Well I'm a bit traumatized I've been saying a psychologist about it anyway so another you know can you know I. Can you know. Maybe get away from the subject they can you know see how the process work. And you depressing that we need to present me a moment ago I was asking you to stand by me you support me you just drag me down now and we drive mayhem in the 1st place I met a strange Sheik We know be friends communal kiss and make up I don't want to kiss you but in a week America you put on the make up I'll just. Add a Martin says I was at one of the evening in the West End of Glasgow about 10 years ago and a 15 year old 50 Euro bus Skylark at least 2 of them young lads shearing was a member and 50 Euro busk it was playing a Neil Young song can you imagine which one it was Ok am I only love can buy you know. Cinnamon Girl No I'm not helpless. And line by the side of the road but how many I was if I don't how many I was and you go I'm just going to nail you. Know it's a load. Will be here oh no I need to I want to do something from Weld. I was his noise album Ok this isn't so much noise but as Marty says this wasn't just any Neil Young song. Comes. To his. Stu. He said. Yeah. Last chips and salsa Wow 6 months in a 10 minute song about a dream it was fantastic. He chatted same after was Guess how much she tipped him. A fiver. Yeah. Imagine that 50 year old kid. Probably spent that 5 on the bag of chicken and chips. For 99 the flats a show you see. Here that's some of my shots from Neil Young is a debut album he's not beautiful the most I've ever to. I confess wasn't in the closet it's probably about to quit actually and that's because. It was a basket of having to play and shoot that was one of my favorites you know you're going on the London Underground and somebody is playing the St James Infirmary blues Yes I think come on now this is hurting me too much where's my money. Of what's gone back up the stairs on the say here and get not to go take money out of cash if you're serious because the money that comes out of a cash Bordelon that I defied his every move by the way he did 10 inside to couldn't give them at the 10 it could I wasn't doing that this is getting complicated you know I go out in the chain to spend some money to give him some change Yeah exactly because you can't possibly come on be serious buskers have got to eat to you know they're human beings as well and she's itching for you when you walk past them and not even the that because we should also get the buskers on the London Underground I would say I think the standards and their protection Ok tell us about that in a moment a 599693 the what's the classic shooting that you've heard a brilliant rendition Bob Brusca some time some where Give us a call please 05996 not 3 but 1st let's get the latest headlines with Allison his form Digicel on smartphones and tablets this is b.b.c. 5 Live I'm. 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Now he with the rest of the day sports news is clear cutting him so Bobby Charlton says Rooney is a truly great for club and country Rooney over to Charlton's goal scoring record at Manchester United scoring his 250th goal for the club and I want all sure against Stoke City I cannot figure how much rest United has been for many years from when you sign for the club you realise how important it is to this football club and surpass into the goals as you know it's. Sort of saw the lights of the. Most respect for suburbian he comments are some of their game and congratulated me . He's pleased in some way anyway Tottenham came from 2 goals down to draw 2 all with Manchester City Spurs only had 2 shots on target in the match but City boss Pep Guardiola says his side needs to improve always we can do is create and play better and better that is what we can do but. It's the same awful this is all this is what happens will keep going and we are upset that would happen but him so. So proud too about what we did in the place with didn't deserve that again it's $10.00 out of the bottom 3 after a $32.00 win over Liverpool and filled it means Chelsea could go 9 points clear at the top of the table if they'd be a whole city today Sarrasin secured a higher match in rugby union Champions Cup quarter finals off debate in Toulon $103.00 the French side also go through to the last 8 as pool runners up they'll be joined by Glasgow who thrash left a $43.00 nil at Welford Road Ronnie O'Sullivan goes for a 7th masses time to Later today he'll play Jerry Perry in the final after he Barry Hawkins by 6 frames to 5 no one's won this tournament more than 6 times but I sell of and says he's not bothered about the records on campus and way on the same as if I won this wannabe Fink I want to win another one I want to be the No one really can my I'm gone past and I'm just enjoying myself for the great said that well should I be doing it and I'm not really solve it quite right most people pay for that privilege I'm sure a 745 on 5 Live Sports that extra you can take commentary from England's final one day international the series against India the hosts of already secured the series victory coming up this week on b.b.c. 5 Live on Tuesday artist Taras shorter will be guest editing Austin In addition looking at the relationship between rock and politics throughout the day on Wednesday we will look at the results of a special poll from 5 life about the experiences of women M.P.'s in politics and on Friday we'll be taking a closer look at the Winter precious facing the n.h.s. This week on b.b.c. 5 Live. This is b.b.c. 5 live on the b.b.c. I Player radio all night doesn't Attaboy. You just send me again please. Has Come. And. See. That Stand by Me many. A watershed of power we're asking you this morning on the verge of 2 boats to have as the cheering that you have had a classic tune that you've heard a boss perform very well quite well and. Some. Saw him somewhere give us a call at $500.00. 3 Which is why I. Was performing it. This week. In Bristol. Good morning. You're right raise yeah I'm fine I have to say I think the nomination already been married this time tough. Says infirmary. Not me you know you did that on the trumpet Mr Bojangles found I may even be and I'm quoting I. Just had a big effect on me is about 10 years ago English so shocking and and there was a woman on the cloak string guitar with its acoustic and. Playful. And she was singing I'm not into r.e.m. But she was singing I thought the song was cool consider this it's actually cool I think it's called Losing My Religion. And the other thing is in America losing my religion doesn't mean losing my religion it means losing the plot Yeah yeah that's what I say. But how did she do it how did she do what was it that struck you. The lyrics tense consider this she was like singing out consider this and it was amplified in the power of the 12 string guitar I never knew how powerful acoustic pumps if I 12 string guitar is killing the house shopping and it was an outside shot let me bring Jonathan in on this rose and just stay with us because I'm the interesting thing Jonathan about what Rose is saying because you didn't know the tune before hand Rose did you I mean you were. Never listening to the lyric I never listened because it would be quite some if you hear a bus complaining that knocks you out you don't even know what the tune is and you go back and think wow now I know what the tune is that is really something in the way that they performed it was something else and until this point I already am really and he was into you can never understand what Michael Stipe was singing about until they came to the Green album and this one which is out of time as they can they're kind of break through period so this is the 1st time anyone could and I understand why he was going on about anyway but this was 10 years ago in Bristol did you say Rose in Bristol did you drive where exactly Bristol is crude Broadmead shopping center she does and it was it was because it was a woman as well I might not pay so much attention if it's just. Money. Oh and then I stopped to listen to what she was saying look you know I know into another things and you say they're not now but obviously so. To do that. And I also go this route has a losing where legend was about. Which is about suffering from required to be love . About 3 times I've heard on the radio saying the translation is not about losing religion it's about. You I don't know I know. You. Be thinking about this woman in Bristol shopping sentencing in years ago where Rose . As well the fact that Rose said if it's been coming from a man saying you know it probably wouldn't of course her attention you know. This is a great shoot you know it's a great shoot because. It's less Yeah and you will say you can as in any style can you or you could but with a strong chin that's the mark of a strong chain look at them as an example yesterday by the podium of the Beatles here you know there's so many versions of it for a reason or Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen you you can do it and then a star because the actual song is so strong that it moves people on such a kind of deep level the as long as it's a good rendition you can do anything with the chair over is true but I remember you very clearly on this program one of the say you know huge in civvy was it Perrie give the big G.'s we get over it use a never ever made the gender based choose their will to have changed. And of course with the great achievements there are gender less when. A man or a woman sings it will be just have a different meaning or has a different president saying this is resonance meaning residents also you talk about that resonance thing you know we're quite often on the show the listeners get me thinking about me so I think you know I mean it is so central to my life like often like of us take away the music after the show down way and sometimes go back and listen to things or just think about it after the after we've done the program and. Listening to it now and they listening to the mandolin that could be something by Fairport Convention or Pentangle. Which is you know that's British folk rock and it could be that from the from the late sixty's early seventy's or fathering gay or something and yet it's a band from Atlanta Georgia who would have been employed by British may say very much. Just as fast and had never even thought about it before they are pulling the mandolin slightly out of context you're hearing it. I'm listening to as a folk song now and r.e.m. Were a kind of they were an alternative rock band with regards to famous musicians starting out busking as you said Jonathan before they were famous you used to busk only Saturday afternoon on Grafton Street in the center of Dublin says John and wrote you know where I live where I live says Mark you Merseyside where I live we've got an outdoor market every Friday and I've seen all 4 buskers But last year there was a young lad with a good saw he was brilliant he had crowds of people around him every week and he did a fantastic rendition of races Don't Look Back In Anger he would be what a voice he's not been there for a while he's probably signed to record label now but he was that good and will in Glasgow's says not really a busker but instead a local woman who plays a piano in the local pub on a Saturday afternoon a Mrs Mills type sing along here has a car we love. Oh school nights except she would do going to Brazil by moats and followed by Amarillo and similar it was always makes it always makes me laugh she is Word Perfect and delivers with us issued even incinerates do you think we should or you should explain because you're older than me of course. Yet. You should explain him mischa's mil says. Sure why did anyone on class on welfare anybody under 100 she was the equivalent of Winifred at 12 yes yeah he got to number one and who were his best friend and well she was like. I said she was a black Mrs Mills in the 1950 s. And interesting enough and funny she asked me about when a friend at well who ended her days in Australia bizarrely but she came over very early from the Caribbean to these shores and she became very popular playing going let's have a party kind of Chines in a honky tonk manner and she used a lot of her wealth supply up most of Brixton in south London when when when. Immigrants from the Caribbean started coming on the wind rush and post the wind rushing $948.00 when there was so much racisms they couldn't get anywhere to live so she'd buy these houses and just read the amounts of people coming in from the Caribbean spend a lot of money that way and they should be spared of sorcery interesting but I always think of both Winifred that well and Mrs Mills as like you remember the piano player. Lieutenant pigeon or Mody old you know the old kind of school mom playing the piano with honky tonk sorry I love you I'm using their rule the 0. Point is when is with us by the way. The morning of the morning our coverage I pull on a couple Greg's which you say were asking about great renditions of classic chains by buskins And if you come across one then yes I have a half proper sour instrumental one of my favorites are 3 of course which is what you have to worry about the words I know I know I know which instrumental you're going to go for because every basket every single busker that's not going to sing this with a guitar goes for Albatross Jonathan you know held which will allow you man you're going to actually want to have some Spencer day and I know but they do they do do that and that's what you're going to talk about is a pool Well now nights are totally different and really what 967 you know was another instrument for the bus because that's right saber giant spider sculptor. Dave Edmunds. Well that's right yeah definitely yeah and operation of the world there topping our fate of the creative people right about here and making splinters from the center What was that the number yes there were 39999 when I think it's a lot and it's still stayed with you all this time that's right yeah yeah yeah I love the way you said the everybody was tapping because it's a comedic spirit sometimes isn't it when a bus is really rocking it it's so different I don't know that that the bus gave Yeah I remembered it from one is released in 67 and. I'll get it but your 3 planes have a so I'm so impressed I'm totally just returned from. All the buses How do you know how do the bus could know somebody like you would remember from. These places. That it's like they've got special antennas you know hey come somebody from the sixty's on the play the MacI will lose I was telling him. Before he played I got a photographic memory and partially started and I know for a friend I've been gifted with a photographic memory and I remember something like that over the years god that cannot just you know certain what was your favorite. Wait one second please so if. One side is not a monkey it's a big they call for us to have crime. One size them one thing is a big big carburetor but less and. You've got a photographic memory you're going to find a graphic memory you know Pavarotti. You never said he was Pavarotti say. I'm just pointing out that he's pointing out. I'm not safe I'm not for 10 years yeah I know I like that don't give the moon away 3000 Utah for a bus and it was because of this go Oh thank you for go think that it makes up in all things as well. I. Think well. You know what we forgot songs pole before you well you. Really should it. Was the bus could I do the next a good song. Yeah otherwise is go bloody figures now as me how do I say that sounds to me like. A sentence so must metal version of me crackle. I think in the mix I can see where you play with that in the mix it's the Echo isn't that yeah yeah they can hear the Holloway Road in that in them in the end then the bus is going to have to have a decent to recreate order that yeah. Yeah I do remember Swindon Town Center you don't want to lost people because the people in Swindon I lock the people at your rug might I had to actually. Do people in Swindon and I'm like on the paper I'm. My brother's been living that way it's a minute let's stay off that one now Joe thank you in Swindon. I you need like traumas being but it's such a fun time I mean many of us are a people that's a record and a half is not yeah yeah it is. Necessary not to answer because if I didn't tell you the end and she started out telling that yeah yeah yeah yeah you would expect to have actually had a long time yeah sure monk sculptures culture of long history out here so. You'll bask in Korea will. Come on to that eventually don't I'm not going to get away with that seriousness is the best and what's the best. Well I'll tell you one thing I'm the best boss because I have a rule my men on Monday old cheese or whatever it was who. Was doing the Bali. One love just for us you know. The best bus driver Hood was on the New York subway Yes where this guy pulls out I mean he had on these huge sports bags you know and he surely pulls out and saw a keyboard you know so you have the keyboard you have the speaker is there so I was resting and huge because well you know how many Bay 3. Was in Hammond he pulled up you know quite large speakers and he rested the keyboards on top of the speakers just because they were like the legs for the keyboard and then he pulled out a stool as well this big sports bag a little stool he said and he started playing it was either. Member which Chief it was but as James Brown chewed the New York Times and she had to look at him and said. That was amazing man right that was amazing because it sounded like he had the drum machine known as well playing the funky drama and see that's always a dodgy thing I think doing that help on Tempe organ one man right and you're right it can really know a good thing because you really want line Stubblefield and jam us about to have been introduced when James Franco and I had the drum machines in the real thing and I ain't ever going to be you can forgive you can forgive a busker for not being able to sing like a wreath of Franklin about. Getting them to play a drum machine when you say you drive have Clive tried Stubblefield playing it or whoever it might be and then have they come for the help but see call in Sango. Thank you when it's time to me it sounded right everything else i because. That is a lame is not good but better than that I remember these cheap guys going down again on the London Underground once these 2 guys are right above their scale aces you know so you couldn't bypass them they moved right between the up as well as they sound and were millions in the West and nines probably like only at Square right between the escalator and the down escalator they were like standing right behind each of you know almost like. You know when those 2 twins from climbing up the other proclaims he was like well I know they are tense when they come yeah but look not between. You and say you're standing right behind each other there was singing Love Love Me Do we know I love and it was obviously for the. Better me of course or I think you sang all these Beatle songs Ok so much money you know I thought I'm in the wrong job anyway never mind me because once again the true will in Bournemouth is with us as well we'll good morning oh wow. I'm fine thank you fine thanks very much you know him to move you about now I mean. No bearing I mean just in Scotland did say by the mouth but I thought that was completely settled I said nobody knows where it is any less the difference between . Us but 500 miles now that's been for climate so. Yes it's been a coincidence but I actually I actually live in Michael's field normally I'm on holiday moment and that's. Going through the whole country traffic to. Realize I'm confusing everybody yeah and I don't need to confuse anybody I know that Michelle. Used to work in Michael still call me a name is and I don't know it on Facebook. But. Those gaps are Marks and Spencers and Michael seldom illustrate where I work in most instances and I come out on the break. And it was a brilliant version of well by Fleetwood mac with a grain song. Just just playing on an acoustic guitar Scottish guy who has a lot of long. Loves has strong strong opinions about everything. Is a wonderful car takes off in Germany somewhere you know playing with some of these my. Skin had a book. That. You know if you know well it's a really difficult something to play into that brilliantly it's got a great gravelly. Bluesy bluesy voice and he doesn't want to flee. When he gets to the difficult instrumental but again so have a. A a segues off in something else. Which are to get people happy Chichi. Don't be rude that you'll be coming up short of the reggae song I think. And it works really well so how does he do it well and the case and I think there is a role there is a reggae villian of. That. You know that statement saying a chair sort of like red. Without well is a is an acoustic and it's that to me and I was those 1st 2 verses. And it's wonderful. You know whenever I came out from a mistake or at the right. Age felt like it was playing and play. Play it out on my own and I think it's a good bloke. I can hear about. But I don't have you want to. Give things that you want me to. Think that this was too loud for the good people that make you feel. And yet serious and yet the kind of words. I was what I sound that whole life could. Yeah but when you think of flavor magic as 3 magnets to play with magical stiffly with that which took out the real story about. The real. That could almost be a Black Sabbath. Like. To me and I. Love that song and I'm not a quarter. That's it that's an adrenaline rush in the interim a truck and. Inch of rain is Rock Around the back is the intro being there for Joe cars are all corrupt I didn't know that was one of those that but anyway oh Father look at it you can get it from your doctor. For I know my doctor you called 05 puncture 040906 model to smokes 563 because. Just for the past March still this c b c 5 my 6th Street Talk. Added This is the main news I'm fine lines the prime minister is preparing to meet the new u.s. President. On exporting. Cotton and. 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More than 600 protest marches have been held against the new American president across the United States and around the world the biggest was in Washington from where our correspondent Barbara Platt reports this was a a rally that was organized by women's groups but quickly became an organization for many other groups that felt felt vulnerable who they were all quite angry and fearful about Mr Trump's rhetoric during his campaign they joined together as a show of solidarity they said they wanted to send a message to him that he was their president he needed to protect their rights and if he didn't they would stand up and be counted the ministry of defense insists it has full confidence in the Trident nuclear missile system despite reports of a malfunction joining a test last year the Sunday Times says a missile fired from the submarine h.m.s. Vengeance in the Atlantic Ocean Vade off in the direction of the United States at least 23 people have been killed and 100 injured in a train crash in the southeast in the Indian state of under President Bush reports say 7 coaches in the engine of an express train have derailed the defeated president of the Gambia has left the country he's run since a coup 22 years ago he'd been refusing to relinquish power despite losing a presidential election to a down the barrel last month a charity suggest more than a quarter of young British women aged between $25.29 a too embarrassed to go for a smear test Joe survival Cancer Trust also found 2 thirds of those questioned didn't think the test would reduce their risk of getting the disease is the charity's chief executive music Michael screening saves an estimated $5000.00 light every single year but we're seeing coverage go down year on year in England not in you know those who shoot but I think 2529 that's the 1st Age get your invitation so if we can get it maybe never get in the program you know what to do and the potential risks happen increases. The new u.k. Bleeder Ponette own will be the party's candidate in the Stoke Central by election his run for parliament 4 times Nigel Farage tried and failed 7 times is also a byelection in Copeland in Cumbria our political correspondent is much colder Paul not all has made it very clear that he was to go after labor in the north of England now the Ukip didn't feature so well in coping in the general election it was the Tories who came 2nd they'll be campaigning there hard too but certainly I think in Stoke there could be a potentially a fight on the hands. 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Government the following is asked female members of parliament about their day to day experiences of the job and the challenges they face will hear about sexism past . Tax the impact of the job on family life and what they say is the best way of encouraging more women to consider politics as a career so that. They will be finding out exactly what they say that's the 5 life women in politics at one step from 5. To one Jack Hensley's. Has com. And the lending dot. Com. Might. Know. The. Answer. She. Spit. On Me. This is frequent back so well before that love sculpture about Dave Edmunds already I'm losing my religion mil Young's the last trip to child so stand by a neighbor Benny King Mr Bojangles by John Holt and procol harms why it's a shade of pale that old shoes that listeners of called into Sandusky may have heard a Bosco doing and doing quite well because on tonight's Richard j. Books we're asking you to help us for another track soundtrack of up and the theme tonight is classic choose that you. Have buskers doing that you were impressed by their version of it that is 500 sorry sorry sorry 500 Nonono and he's joining us our music critic tonight and he's always quite rude when I try to speak I never interrupt him but in chops be trying to gets my flow through and also violence and rarely did he so you Karen interrupted me if I just wanted to get a word in and. You can have to get it in edgeways can I eventually remember just remember some people I mean some famous people who started off as. I was interviewing this really goes back to the beginning I was. The last big interview with Les Paul who invented the electric guitar literally invented the electric guitar and the electric guitar came about because. He was he was busking on the street outside what do they call in America or a county fair. You know a hotdog stand and he thought he was passed a note saying I can't pay properly you know turn up and that's how he landed up getting making an amplifier from a telephone and I'm right and. It's in the land of inventing something called the log which he made the 1st proto electric guitar from a piece of. Road track you know what I call the sidings. And that's how the electric guitar got invented by a bus came because people couldn't care less pull properly and it's only my money of people could hear you just love children they just love Jonathan. No matter what which once it's how which once it conducts phone and he will insist on us all wearing anoraks to. In the course but that's not an American is saying comes back to Les Paul No I'm saying well coming back take a listen on a cold night like this we could all do with an anorak Don't get me wrong Jonathan that is not and I think you. Come on my out my outdoor job my choice about door attire is not what this is about. To me that's fascinating see if I was honest extreme. It is history it is however I was trying to tell listeners about the parameters of this phone and I was trying to say to them the theme this morning is changed by buskers a classic change Dumbo bar buskers tell us about the buskers that you heard during this great tune that you wanted to talk about and where it was innocent and what was going to say is there's a cool 050909693 with any recommendation of the evil boss kitchen I was also going to say which we know folklore we want to know which of the choose that you've heard you feel is the one out of all the Choose the buskers of done is the classic you know the one that you would love to have heard a bus could she do that is the chew that will put on a virtual jukebox this morning and all you have to do is text us an 85 or 58 or e-mail up with a b.b.c. Dog and tell us which that she has Remember we've got 3 love sculpture by Dave Edmunds Fleetwood met so well r.e.m. Losing My Religion new young the last trip to Tulsa stand by me by banking Mr Bojangles by John Ho pro-car. And there will be others as well between now and 4 o'clock so energy Lucina gets the most support from you gets to go on to the virtue jukebox It's as simple as that and you know what else is going to listeners don't go on. You know apart from the fact that I'm wearing an anorak you're wearing you know and reckon we're all wearing anoraks Now what was going to listeners was just bear with us tonight we're getting in or didn't a bounce of calls because people have got great stories to tell us about the bus because they stumble across who done it quite well and young Sam he's answering the phone is the only one of all of us Jonathan who's not wearing an anorak tonight. You know I'm no where yeah what I'm trying to say to you now is an arising say. Yeah sure rock n roll but I have another life. Where all rock or rollers in another life were all Elvis Presley in another life but in this life I was sat where and he's wearing his underpants thankfully knowing says. Jonathan many many years ago in a tunnel in the London Underground there was a young man all on his own just him and his acoustic guitar he was singing the lady came from Baltimore he had the most beautiful voice and of course the acoustics in the tunnels to help the sound but it wasn't just that every note was perfect his delivery was like he was singing in a true story about the love of his life love to head up to 4 pounds it is good saw a case they made tonight I put 4 pounds in his guitar cases I went by and when I got to the end of the tunnel I waited there to hear the end of the song it made me cry I wonder if buskers realize the danger they Yeah I did I wonder if they really wonder if they realize the effect they have on people saying you know they're on heroin and all impose Don't get me wrong don't get me wrong they do know when people don't like what they're doing is that I'm going to cash in on a little bit of abuse is washed about the best song by a busker I've ever heard says Kevin live for is by 9 Inch Nails but it was the Johnny Cash version he was singing it was the 1st time I'd ever heard the song it stops me my tracks and I've loved ever since the Cash version of me to make it was on Church Street in Liverpool 10 years ago walking past with my girlfriend who turned out to be my lovely wife you know I just thought of one or 2 of those buskers that people are talking about might be listening to the proud owner of course I will be here if you are to give me a cool 599 since 93 in 10 is about that rendition that you did that listeners are talking about this is well from key thing Gosport he says. 2 Christmases ago my wife and I were visiting Chichester while walking around the shops and market I was drawn in like a fisherman reeling in a catch that's how they get it that's how these buses get you like a fisherman reeling in a catch to the tones of a deer buskers Yeah twice the fun double the fun they went by the name of steel strum one playing a steel drum and the other and the other terrible man. Kept them a brake job the thing that's such a bust because that band put on another goodness that easily the most talented into the entertaining buskins I've ever seen or a car a member the exact cheese What did stand out was their fresh take then he cheated they played I've since found out that they've played the album whole another very utterly brilliant and of forgettable are you still a busker was you playing the whole. Yeah. You know he started out as a bus goes well just putting that around back on the b.b. King Ok and they smell like do you want to know you know the best basket still was up. To that. B.b. King was the best you have to come on shot of that piece of real now. Stroud. Julian Moti please save us Julie good morning morning of the show and I just thank God that it thank you Mr gray clouds you know missing the good ones will still be still time to catch up on the i Player Of course Anyway great timing and I was right I just know how to do that. Magic. Music music is magic but the cheating that you've heard a bus can do where was it where was it was on the steps of Paris in the middle sixty's. Ok And it was a French Pesca I suspect I was actually working as a French past summer holidays from college it was good yes French one I think. And he was playing me some memory you know Yes yes that's a classy. And I went home I bought the record. Because you hadn't heard the record before that no one was quite young you say yeah I was probably sort of 19 something like what you remember about you know what would you talk about how why the song. The words and the Chuen I was like the to the tune always kept just me but then there was at 2 it big Leonard Cohen fan. What you call in the rush. Right I love that what about the way I got a t. Shirt from the fan club What about the way the busk performed. It just to my attention I start to start to hate Mo which you don't usually do and he said in English I was. Obviously yes you know I'm just checking just checking in case it was a French round Strout there are excellent bus in the streets of Stroud there very good stand but it's very sort of artistic musical come. Round here but none of them have resonated with you as much as this one basket in Paris all those years ago yeah I think it's the song because I love song writers you know yeah I like to tell my cap to be Jackson Brown I'm going to take you back to that of the steps of 2nd I mean I grew up when it all started. In our power stuff when the when the stones with my local band and I travel by train so you can you can even do more with me mention Did you sing just when they find that what I mean is that so fast night and yeah everything because it all started in one place really did you see the Stones both went before they had a record deal yes they were. I knew some people used to watch judges. Seriously yeah I went so well when did you see the stars that I went on a. Musical shift from when with them on it wow and was so this would be when $9062.00. I'm not very good with dates I'm just practicing Yes but I mean that's what they do like. Fantastic cues would go right down from heel pad into the railway station did you see the. Pilot I saw them at the Ricky Ticket we said before they go. And so tell us what that was like then and to do will you. Let me stage. Stop. Jonathan as well. And the Yardbirds were very good too I want to go out but when they did and would change you know that for Eric Clapton and they had Jimmy Page that wow haven't they somebody got to south of the. Kingston to come and view them they were obviously practicing and we all stood on chairs around the stage it acts of lined up is about 20. To few laughs but she was an oldish and Judy Davis is incredible I know I am not started to write it down that you yes because I tried to save the round house not something. I think I got the community going. Well the round house and phone Yeah I mean some of the houses credited it for it but I got the community going to stop the architects getting in there Julie is the man I sing a song to. And then I have to. You mean. You're a secret anorak whereas. The one on the mobility scooter libby Davis announced that they would and I mean. We've got a wild one as well that's here away now and then that's what it's going to be caught school enough for us as I know it set you back to those teenage years on the steps of said crit. I was afraid say also say. Yes' and he passed out. And look what's happened to him no one of us is back with him. And I think it was taken off my You Tube. Is that. Was that what to be used to call him self. Oh yes I suddenly. Say it was like someone a bit and I'm reading a biography post Simon what. Wait to read Jonathan. Rushing about if you join. The show Ok it's show time now much to put in I get back to sac or for you say click. Ok and. Then we. Put. On. Bond's. Speed. He's on he was on. He's been a song for. The. Account. And change I'm honest on this nonsense you. Can. Always win. Was. Was. This play. Was a. Lot of us was. Still . Missing. But. I think. I'm going to play many That's. What. Is funny people not knowing so nice and caring that are about. 3 things and don't have Yeah yeah. The British diner in children. Good morning and you're. Just Fine so your joke about the slates now. I'll. Choose a president should be with you think boy which I can recommend. And she was the guitarist with the switch for the body doesn't that it's very time. That I think. About. And I've always been one of my surprise man she was good Russian. And I know you thought that a long time ago you may have a meal out but with. Chicken in times I'd know him very well is what I can say I don't want to like Oh well he could go Oh very good my shift I feel very good but anyway I am but that was 3 presidents for 4 years I wonder I didn't get anything well. I don't use ya for anything but I think I was very very special Absolutely but you know I tried the way I was making my way into Can one diet help often in one afternoon but this time that it was it was very close and I thought this young chap asking me that very cold and. I said to him Do you know a bomb by Muslim and he said I'm glad to be did me play typical girl. Particularly if the mother must hold him to the bone and if not a nearby weapon if true and told and told him how to play it better I gave it to be part of. A package of time with good luck to John Dyer enough to get a break. From it but probably why Father Christmas look like good to me he's his version did not sound like this you know it needs to be buried. And of course like I said. Carrying. A bad 2nd visit a different experience to write yeah Diana thank you very much yeah yeah. That makes you think they were brainy I had a bad time even then that sounds a bit like. A cross between the limit. Teams and the Pixies say one thing the coming many Busk is playing this June and a marquee match that is with us is sort not markets met Isn't it good money meant Yeah good morning Dylan how you doing. Well. As we say all for all say well done so let's talk about the Beatles then yeah well don't mention the song yeah I want to try and see if Jonathan can get it but I grew up in all I'm doing Florida and I just got to get softball for me for Christmas with my mom my mom and I was about 12 or 13 and we were downtown Orlando and this shop was playing to get Sorry I had breaks on the disharmonic. Anyway I used playing that song this is also this song and I actually went up and asked him so I didn't have to go in those days so I went back and I actually ended up listening to a local oldies station called Madge you get that middle Lando and found out that it was a Beatles song and I've heard of The Beatles over 1213 years old but never appreciated the money spent never really listened to them and I learned the song and I'm still playing it to the day it's. One compared to the likes of Hey Jude and Grace please me and Larry Summers. But. I think I'll give Jonathan one clue it is inspired does give me the name Guess this. Story has. Only 3 and rather was 500 limit and I began to have a guess of a guess what it was and let me get the clue and I think it was my Lou and little clue Yeah it's funny look. A little clip. From the help album. Age. It is a huge quake is 12 songs on it so narrows it down quite a bit. I think just about songs maybe. And yeah just to start your song for the 2nd biggest be all spot on the planet Jonathan when did I. Claim it is. The 2nd. Of a cast and crew is the queers this is the quote you guys because we were Jonathan the song from my research John Lennon was. The inspiration behind the song was popular I tell you you've given it away now I mean if he can't get this right then he is not worth the sort that. He sprinkles over he's had a right it's just to make sure he doesn't fall of foul of you know. I got it I'm not going to give it a few actually give me the few Just give me the one with the one it's got to be. A way. You understand all in on the rag he's a man Iraqi is anyway oh it's all the whole song Hold on hold on let's do this again because you talk about Orlando Florida man yeah the bus is there you're how old are you about 12 or 13 and this kid. He was at the time Jonathan you know history carefully take off that jacket is obvious heating up the bread. And this knocks you out and is it because of the way he does it is he doing exactly like the Beatles and was instrumentation just a guitar I mentioned. Yeah I was just. How they had some of the harmonica and at the end of each song you probably were because you never played a mole do you call something like that so there's a trend you want to something or. You did it with his harmonica and he wound it just like John Lennon and I listen to this so I still play this. Everybody still asks me what the hell is this song this is also and then Eddie. From Pearl Jam covered it as well. And I. Was in there. And now it's just trying to think of Matt in Manchester in Orlando the age of 12 or 13 the bus remember the head band thing with the marquee phone on sort of the harmonic on as well playing with his guitar and this is what the Beatles did with it. To the along. With. Bangles that have one of those one man bands you know the one. The big. Tambourine that's not yeah exactly. And it with a high hat is well you know the legs you know I mean yeah it's you know the whole thing. Is like a page from my diary Yeah. Jonathan it's not about. Your diary it's not it's about our listeners experience can we keep a diary for another phone in Yeah in about 10 years time yeah we'll get there eventually I promise you 40 and some one of course May and well as I said it's about our listeners experience is a busking and of course mine which you hear about in a moment yeah but I forget that you thought I'd let you forget my experience here and. Don't forget we do want you to tell us which of the change of urgent not deserves to be on the verge of having for the white email open at the b.b.c. Dot com about u.k. 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Thinking to listen to this made from Boston was it not that song that is sending shamefulness down my spine and loads of songs too but this was made for busking but it was but you know me I'm a I'm a purist not a tourist and now I didn't finish it's you could just an idea to be doing a song he'd better be good if you can and do this on the Beatles you can how did you like the way. I think about purist but you said you are one of the curious to. Curiouser and curiouser exactly what that's what it should. That does not send does not give me goose bumps it just made for busking is that you wonder why is it why these great pop stars and pop bands write chains for buskers to play it's like pool because I mean you go down Princes Street in Edinburgh Trust me you will see some blood wearing this good. They should know you're right it's true this is b.s. And combine a lot of people but the thing is he does well sing in the break in this good. Is no singing just waiting for the big where he can do is bagpipes Yeah exactly and he's there on Prince's day if it's the same blood because if it is he's been standing there for about 40 years playing this one. And the American stories they think he's. Released at the height of time grow close now. And remember the video say yeah him walking across the landscape if he's following. The kids wherever m.m.a. Like a fire on the beach come about but jam there is Mrs Evans I'm Linda McCartney of course. And a whole band coming along with a very light they like a fire on the beach as well yeah yeah she's big she couldn't do it more than a piano and the baby I didn't know the big show that you did the phone he'd have to ask you. Because it was going to charm you devote the whole breach you know how no crime climbs a lot and 2 and 2 and a lot of stuff that is not let's not get into the politics more than highlights a night when we talk about the Oscars Yeah and I thought this song Larry people were people this is musical Marmite I love this this is a big I mean this is big you will hear well things as a prince's string. United but this is the big. Now Paul McCartney wrote this. For the ball skills. With back to Mars what was in his mind of the goose it was because it was because with back parts had not had a modern Chub written for them in a 100 years and you know fair enough you go with your wooden good song and then a few shillings about a poor bloke in the bagpipes could just the bagpipes would just be killed when he's got the full regalia of you know you know the biscuit hat and everything like that yeah oh you know. Some coolness mean. By the way I can Ireland that maybe this is the this is the Campbelltown pipe but talk about break good news John Cantonese say that on air you are not a cab anorak you might think we've got the evidence here you've got the evidence can I knew he would play the bagpipes to hear it I said but why do people why is this such a case and this is the classic case the quintessential case of music oh my my people at the time I think they sold my finished up his career and it was a never you know it was a multi-million selling record and I'm still thinking you know you took it out put McCartney's got hundreds of millions of quids going for the good stuff for the poor bus if this is musical Mama he's better off just dumping the bad part is getting a little it's temporary moving melody Now isn't that that's what Paul McCartney is about pressing those emotional buttons Yeah yeah yeah as far as the other Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here we heard that you mention collectively number long that yeah now remember this is the one that our listener gave 20 quid for this is duff like a herd of busker playing this and he must have reached in his pocket. He must have reached in his pocket and thought he was pulling out a little note even though. Maybe a fiver over to the boss and then you realize when he got his bank statement 28. And she was here the bank statement for cash for. That didn't work you know why me. Thinks I'm sure it's what he could know it's. A must has got to his lawful way to the bank or to the local supermarket whatever is doing it was it worth 20 quid you think. Well I didn't say a scammer. Liz I mean you said this sensitive and down years well that's not you could have bought the whole album and still had change for your bag she couldn't chips I remember saying he made a full chain now I remember when I was a little boy seeing. The p.s. . I think he was fought and I wish I was here. But I've just been told that we cannot talk of the Gets also be quick be quick. No Be quick finish it was I was the I wanted to kill him so the best bus driver saw and it wasn't any is but I remember any as I'm making a fool cheat. Hundreds of people in Covent Garden at the heart of this I'm and people love to me was amazing I think he was like a circus performer or something and he was the time when the kids also was coming out of this big for a little bit more Ok big say just what more would. She like to He's running the show exactly. Anyway Kevin in those last having good morning. I come in you're a Michael yourself just fine then so much so that you come across a basket doing a Blondie version of what it was last along song by Jeff OTOH. I was really complicated but what made it special was to fight shape. As she was doing it just on the acoustic guitar but she had been doing a lot of stuff she's a one man band and she returned like us and I mean I go about all the stuff was that I have to try and everything but she did a version of All Along The Watchtower to tell them version she did Stairway to Heaven and she did this amazing version of this Jeff wrote so song and I was stood there with me man I just opened I could I couldn't believe it it is called Believe what I was listening to I had such a deep gravelly voice that age to send it right you know it was amazing I love the way you are married I love the way you stress she. Is a one man band yeah she was a one person band. It isn't just Rhodes whole program. Yeah. Ok. I'll hand you over to Jonathan he knows our deal where you go Jonathan and the thing Jonathan I think Jethro Tull is a band I need to be educated about actually going to what I think is not as simple as program it's not just a one trick. Shtick Hey I did Jethro Tull I think there's more to it and I'm never ready investigated it so it's good it's good to be investigating the best job I can cite coming from from what you want to interact to an opera. Really if you take if you take convention as you asked him point and then you stick in a little bit of course from if you can remember them. You push you push Jethro told it because what you've got is you've got because you've got maybe 4 you have got a little bit of blues Ok stop stop stop so that's not that my was with his. Kevin mind if you. Look at your problem the 2nd go in Kevin please I was. So fearful convention look gristle. Gristle Yeah that's what I thought Griffin Ok yeah and then the original spy Regional are out to make you feel inspired. About music I mean I do stick it up a little bit of blues and jazz you can tell you know even as that's when I get confused. That of the rest yes. I just think you just throw everything out a lot you may as well. Not. Know what it is he said I'm out of it. If you haven't. Been I'm I'm sick is a break some people you just waste your breath on you just try them in the music I've been listening before you go yeah and I just thought you were talking about the guys doing the track but. Yeah. We were in Edinburgh and there was some guy wandering into the kill a play in the back why it was the same book now but it was. Coming along to try to play a. Very tight. Player away from. Everybody must enjoy the mind when you go there. Kevin I love it when one and a record speech are now the quote of every single song. Oh by the way this is Jethro told. Especially to the blues even and the medieval bit of cool. Down is the point in the show that sounds. That that sounds really good oh that's so that is. Suddenly it's not so medieval when he mentioned that he didn't is an argument and Charles Zewe that bad I don't like it yet I don't say they sound surprisingly good and this show is about introducing people to stuff them and never in time domain thought I didn't like and they did that sounds to me like. Something from my amazing album called slapper a composer here I am and maybe it's a song called in sick. Because the guy claims he's not an anorak. Jenkins says. It makes me laugh each time my name is Jerry Lee Lewis from a Louisiana I think that's a great lyric if your name is Jerry Lee Lewis you got to stand by my name is Jerry Lee Lewis from a Lutheran and you go and we take you some time out from one of our writing projects to share personal anecdotes that might appeal to you as a young screen Paris who. Were Young busking passerby to ask you for buskers to get in touch so as a young screen Paris more years ago than I care to remember. I arrived back in the city one glorious autumn morning and headed straight to the subway beneath the Arctic Triomphe to try and get a pitch to my surprise there wasn't another bus greenside So I set up play for 6 hours and made the equivalent of a good week's wages while on the strength of this I booked into a decent hotel for a change and went out for good beer and several drinks the following groggy morning I confidently headed off for the same spot when I got there it was occupied by an American bluegrass band would Adam and Eve it. He was so good and so loud that I had to vacate the area entirely and look up another and less rewarding spot or as I say in Jamaica come out of the studio come out the studio because somebody else was so good and so loud and so much better and every day I went there was the same story the same band always playing on our politics Mike since everybody from Jamaica by the way and at and every day I went there it was the same story the same band always playing the same song that I didn't know. Typical isn't in their place something that you don't know so you can't compete with them. And grew to detest for purely mercenary reasons as it happened I struggle to make enough money in other locations eventually had to quit the city and move on again it was only years later that I heard the song again and couldn't place it and then the penny dropped it was that same song do you know what the song was. Don't know it's just about. This night that was so close i swear i knew i'd like money to Squid's me. Say. Swearing aloud on the program and it's just about this I don't know so. You. Get. On. To them. And. Just there is. No. God. Send out that about my dad Amanda McDonald is a. Friend of the Devil Dog Grateful Dead. This other one on the last album yeah this other one from John in Bournemouth not sure of this council that it involves massive embarrassment on my part my fellow and of my fellow. Is a comedian's underground commute you seem to enjoy the impromptu rendition of the long days at work and we get to get home and probably get back out again that evening along with quite a few fellow passengers I got off my usual stop on the Northern Line am sent by us live at home with my parents in the eighty's I was obviously the most eager to catch the lift right up the Says only to be met by 4 boys who were probably waiting for the 1st girl to pay off and into their lap really is there was a convening cab as I was ahead of my fellow commuters in there I was met by a harmonic and I must say rather practiced version a full rather cute and confident boy singing waiting for a girl like you they were in the least bit intimidating but it was a year but it was a huge girl in my twenties and the shade I went was definitely crimson as they surrounded me singing his money yeah they were definitely charming. As I look back at my leg and for the communities they were clapping them on me was part of the cash into one of the key young chaps caps they had the right idea busking at Hampstead only when I got home to my face Richards you know which I was the most well planned busking I've come across here the planet is vast So which is a change you think the listeners going for tonight. Wow 2. Yeah so which a bit go for. I reckon. R.e.m. Is Losing My Religion Yeah well this one yeah I think this is what this is what. Are the options Ok we're running Upshaw and I reckon you've got to Hide Your Love Away by the Beatles or you really can. Stand Yeah yeah which is a cover for pink. Slips are no each are you trying to run through every single she does not know that you're a dance Mike or just anyone just really want to give us one for goodness. For my favorite song of all time which is the Beatles you got to hide your number Well I can sell you that you're wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. Huge I've said in 6 joint 2nd place said John Holtz with Mr Bojangles and coffee sent me with the new business so the list is well full Fleetwood Mac. Oh well Paul was the ultimate boss because you want to hear it done by Buster done well of course Thanks for everybody's contributions and I thank you enough as always for joining us for all the change you both and of course don't make just. Funniest thing in the best of my school this is c b c 5 my it's a full call good morning this is up. From a nice song 5 Live the prime minister is preparing to meet the new us presidents in sport in Melbourne on the way he's full match one gave all against mischa's. This is b.b.c. 5 live with the b.b.c. He's on Fox lot of his Lucy Salem the White House says Theresa May will be the 1st . Leaders to hold talks with President of the past are expected to me some Friday when it's expected discuss NATO brags it's possible trade deals labor as Stephen Dartrey is former shadow Foreign Affairs Minister integration speech said every decision on trade will be made to benefit American workers and American families I don't see that rhetoric about America 1st he's very clear about what he had which is protectionism. You know any hope that Britain is going to get so large crowds from this high table I think is you know what are pretty more than a 1000000 people turned out to protest against President Trump in cities across the u.s. Originally planned as a March in Washington to demonstrate against Mr Trump's statement some women the rallies have joined huge crowds in many cities these people in the u.s. Capitol told 5 live why they joined the demonstrations where I'm from Baltimore where about 50 people 7 were moms and dads and carers and we're saying you've got to show up to make a difference women matter and men quality men supporting women are all about this right now but we just needed to do something to make a difference you need to show up so that's what we're doing here today and we hope we can keep moving it forward and make a difference the Ministry of Defense insists it has full confidence in the child didn't need to miss l. System despite reports of a malfunction joining a test last year the Sunday Times says a missile fired from the submarine h.m.s. 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Products many people are said to be traps in the wreckage a car bomb has exploded in the Libyan capital Tripoli 2 streets away from the Italian embassy reports say 2 charred bodies were recovered from the vehicle there were no other casualties the former presidents of the Gambia Yar Jemma has left the country he finally agreed to hand over power to Adama Baro who defeated him in a presidential election last month delays in receiving Social Care assessments is contributing to England's bad crisis according to research seen by 5 life the data from the watchdog Health Watch suggest some people have had to wait nearly 2 years for one Joanne Slavin was told to 9 year old mum had to wait 19 weeks for an assessment I was shocked because I'm a threat to tell the lady of the Queen of the full she's going to. Go in on her in the cell phone the fat man played her in the south of the sheeple from the pope. You can have more on 5 investigators from 11 Now let's cross to Melbourne and get the latest from the astray and open with a sofa Alomari it is far from actually playing a man whose ranking fell outside the top 1000 less than 2 years ago but mischa's Vera has fought his way back through from injury he's now 50 in the world and he's got a bright start against Murray he has had a save break point in his opening service game but he's taken Murray to Jews here very early stages one game Murray serving it advantage on the commentary is on 5 Live Sports Extra the rest of the morning sport is for play a call to go to Bobby Charlton says Wayne Rooney is a true great for club and country after the striker broke his munches united all time goal scoring record Rooney scored his 250th united goal in their one Stoke 2nd place talk Then came from 2 goals down to draw 2 all at Manchester City then now 6 points off leaders Chelsea manager Tino except his side got a bit lucky so as the city are out of the relegation zone after a 32 win over Liverpool it was their 1st league win and failed Sunderland their back bottom of the table after 2 nil loss at West Brom Saracens have secured a home quarter final in rugby union Champions Cup after beating 2 long 13 the French side also go through to the last 8 as one of the 3 best pool runners up and Perry fought back from 5 to down to be Barry Hawking 65 and with it booked his place in today's final against Ronnie O'Sullivan this is b.b.c. 5 live on digital online the smartphone and tablet the weather staying mostly dry and cloudy throughout the ne Allison the early mess will clear it's leave a dry and sunny day in the south and east it's a bit cloudy a further north and west to some wintry shallow as in the West highs of 5 Celsius in Manchester and 3 Celsius in Edinburgh 6 Music as well and start heading back green so use this like she's refining their craft playing for 50 quid one each. 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This is offered out of 5 Rob Dawson added by coming up this hour Saturday was quite a day of protests throughout the United States the 1st full day of a new president and women particularly came out in numbers right across the country and in fact those protests in major cities in America from Washington to New York to Chicago inspired protests right across the world as well will catch up with what happened on Saturday that will get the week's news from South Africa this week and it includes their own presidents was Jacob Zuma often in the news says Well an elements of the a women's league angered by that president will find out as a different perspective on women's protest against a president and we'll hear about the outgoing president of Gambia he finally conceded defeat sin is accepted that he lost elections in November and as left the country in somewhat of a hurry now more than 1000000 people joined protests against President Donald Trump in cities across the United States originally planned as a March on Washington to demonstrate against Mr Trump statement on women the rallies have drawn huge crowds in many cities including London it's been an eventful 1st weekend as president for the billionaire businessman and we've been bringing you all the. Angles Here are 5 Live saucing of the nation's capital lost much of the Royces White House correspondent Jeff Mason and he said it's been interesting to say the least so far well it was a remarkable day and. I don't even know how to sum it all up a lot happened. I was at the White House all day and so I went with President Trump to the National Cathedral this morning and back to the White House after that and he is motorcade that we were in past some of these protest and some of the signs also passed some supporters. But there were certainly a lot of protesters out there and you could hear them from the South Lawn of the White House when the motorcade arrived there and we got out of the cars and he went to the CIA in the afternoon and I don't know if you played in your post clips. On your show yet but he the president was turned what we thought was going to be a speech sort of trying to mend fences with the intelligence community into an attack on the media for suggesting that there's a rift between Intelligence Committee and President Trump at all but you'll remember that it was President Trump as president elect to send a tweet comparing them to Nazi Germany. And then it at least at the White House ended with his press secretary Sean Spicer coming out and delivering sort of a blistering attack on the media for suggesting that Donald Trump's crowded at the inauguration weren't that big. And then leaving the podium without taking questions What was it like being there when Donald Trump was addressing the CIA having him describe your profession as the by some trust with the profession ever and ever in the CIA applauding. Yeah you know. It's typical tromped So in some ways I guess I shouldn't have been surprised I think I was just surprised by the venue but it's not typical intelligence agencies it to. Inspire him to go on to the media in that way you know and that's why I said I was surprised by the ban you know I just it's definitely not what I was expecting but that. And that. You know that doesn't change overnight just because he's the president now is the president now and. That's what he chose to focus his remarks on during his time at the CIA Meanwhile the new what House press secretary Sean Spicer made in immediate impact on the media it came out fighting denying claims of low crowd numbers at yesterday's you know Gratian this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration period both in person and around the globe even the New York Times printed a Fatah have a photograph showing they that a misrepresentation of the crowd in their original tweet in their paper which showed the full extent of the support death in crowd and intensity that existed these attempts to lessen the enthusiasm of the you know Gratian are shameful and wrong spice added that some American media were sending division as he put it by putting false reports about the integration onto it and so can we expect this combative style of news conference to become the norm during chum's presidency Professor Bob Thompson is director of media and popular culture at Syracuse University and he told me it was certainly an unconventional approach the basic take away from that press secretary saying was this claim that this was the largest 'd audience to ever witness an inauguration period. But then he goes on to say but nobody has numbers the National Park Service doesn't put together numbers so he's made a claim which he then goes on to say that there's no Was numbers to support it the press however did go on to look at that 1st of all in the areas that the press secretary said were completely full as he was trying to come up with his own numbers we have photographs from yesterday which showed that those areas were in fact not filled in comparative photographs that those same areas had more people in them in 2009 in 2013 than this time around the claims he made about the metro people using the public transportation also don't stack up the numbers that he gave are not the numbers that we get from the metro public transportation agency itself and then if we go to television ratings 30600000 is what's been estimated that watch the Trump inauguration yesterday compared to 38000000 in 2900 ad across the world didn't he did had that he can all get beyond it how you measure that kind of thing but maybe this was was across the world move in any of the new groups and that could be right in the in the 3rd that 3rd part because a lot has happened a lot more people are watching this stuff by streaming than were 8 years ago or even 4 years ago and I suppose there is a possibility that if you added those all together that might be the case but we got no evidence for that claim certainly not to make the claim and then use the word period after it which means this is an arguable because he can is no more got an ability to compare let's say 2013 Zindagi aeration. To this one then that anybody else does this point so these declarative positive statements which in many cases can be very quick. Lee kind of denied would make one think that nobody would everybody would immediately then believe the person but here's the most serious part of this is that there are a lot of people out there who have become so convinced to be entitled as a man and time media and associating it with the lead ism that even if they see cold hard facts stacked up against claims it doesn't really seem to matter and that's something that I think journalists are still having a hard time figuring out which is what if we do our due diligence What if we do our job what if we refute these claims with facts and then a large percentage of the citizenry just doesn't change doesn't care that the facts don't stack up with the claims and that's a really complicated and under healthy situation well during the official Gigi's of such a prison chop denied that he's had a feud with the intelligence community speaking at the CIA headquarters Mr Trump promised strong backing to the agency and said all its abilities were needed in the fight against Islamic militants much sure it is a former senior CIA official we spoke to and he told me Mr Trump's approach is rather refreshing but admitted the challenge ahead is a big one he said that the Islamic state needs to be handled with and abrasiveness with the lethality that we haven't seen before and as I said earlier we've had presidents we've had vice presidents we had Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who told us that we're winning and for years on end and it's obvious whether it's in Afghanistan or Iraq that we're not winning or. And so if your intelligence if indeed the president and the Defense Department and the Joint Chiefs of Staff are saying you're winning and then and clearly you're not there is something wrong with the system would you make of Donald Soames pick for the top job in the CIA Is he the right man so you hear he is a man sir I think that certainly is not somebody scoop boy he was like George Tenet was before before Brennan. And before that to the other 2 officers George Tenet was the head of this Senate Intelligence Committee's Democratic staff John Brennan was pendent assistant now all you can do is to try to get your best and Mr Palmdale is a congressman 1st in this quiet said West Point and a Harvard Law graduate now I don't hold a Harvard against him but I still think that it's important that you get a qualified. Successful individual then somebody else. Catspaw to be the head of the Central Intelligence Agency. Let's move on another topic now Andy Murray is in action in the Australian Open in full coverage of course on far vibes was extra But Russell Fuller is watching on our behalf for Russell how is only getting on. Mornington he's made a good start he has the break against mission of Germany not an opponent he would expect to face in the 4th round of the Grand Slam was outside the world's top $1000.00 a couple of years ago after all sorts of injury problems he's worked his way back up to 50 he's the same age as Andy Murray they know each other from junior days He's unconventional he likes to serve and volley which is a throwback really to grass court tennis in particular in tennis of yesteryear Murray has the break he leads by 3 games to one and he has advantage to move forward ahead but it's very it's putting a lot of pressure on Murray serve a couple of games of going to juice and Mario myself has had to fight off a breakpoint in this game so it's quite entertaining stuff but I would be very surprised if Mari he's beaten here the softer now time and he's got competition in terms of bridges interest as we've got to keep abreast of all the other bridges in transgenic we know he's already through for example I had a call to apply here for frown tomorrow we're still waiting for the order of play to see exactly when she's going to be playing she's playing it actually in the back or over in the 4th round of the other British player in the 4th round is Dan Evans and he will be in action from $530.00 u.k. Time today he is up against Joe Wilfred Tsonga who is the 12th seed so it's another huge ask for Evans to keep on winning but he's already knocked out the 7th seed Marion Chile She's a former u.s. Open champion and he had a good win over Bernard Tomic another cd player in the last tragedy full of confidence and he's developing a legion and an army of fans a lot of what she had practiced earlier today and people just relate to him I think don't they because he just seems like one of us he doesn't strike you perhaps as the obvious looking sportsman he does work incredibly hard. These days but the people definitely empathize with him and you had of the she can call me Dalton once in the future to me with Janet but it is quite something for us listening to all of this coverage and watching it on television. Russell we've we've we've seen the American domination in terms of people streaming the most in terms of even the Swiss domination tennis and now it's out so it's Howard soon how many players do you need for you to dominate do you think How about if you had a concept both on the singles title here that would probably counters brief domination of tennis you're right things have changed we don't have the strength in depth that some of those other nations do there were 7 British players in the main draw here and then in both the qualifying draws no men and 2 women which means roughly speaking that there are 9 British players ranked in the top 202-2250 of both the men's and women's singles so 9 players out of nearly 500. That suggests that we've got a long way to go to catch up with other nations but we have a champion Andy Murray that many other countries have get out i.t. For and we have somebody you have to counter who is looking like a potential grand slam champion plus a really excellent supporting cast so I carry with you things are improving a lot we just need to increase the playing base Russell for now thanks very much I will catch up with you later and I've got full coverage of that of 5 schools etc Now the former president of the Gambia Yo-Yo Jama has flown into exile after green to hand over power to damn about who defeated him in a presidential election last month it's thought that Mr Jermyn is flying to Guinea before travelling on to exile in another country is departure from his lengthy negotiations with West African leaders backed by the threat of military force the incoming president at Emory Barrow was inaugurated in neighboring Senegal for his safety but said he'd return to the Gambia in due course given by a sooner than later. Kind of Sept. Consultation with a course. Serino fighting forces on the ground. Most of the communication to make so that it is clear for me to come to. West Africa correspondent in early. How we got so this point what it all started on December 1st when the Gambian went to voyage for new presidents and when the results can mount it appears not surprise in Germany it was actually defeated after 22 years in power. Rapidly and to the very surprise of many admitting defeat but then a few days later he turned around and said no on rejecting these results there's been some irregularities and we have to rerun the vote so that sparked a political crisis here but the international community was tricked by item of borrowing the president who can mount winner of these elections and West African States decided to stand up to. Germany telling him that he had to step down and accept the people's will and then when President refused to step down will they mounted pressure with. With troops that were sent from Senegal from Nigeria from Ghana ready to advance on the country told they had crossed into the Gambia a few days ago and they were ready to remove him by force yesterday to West African presidents can back to the Gambia to basically Germany that there was no more time that they had to go it was basically not tonight. And today he's finally taken off to Conakry with the Kenyan president and has that been confirmed because you will know the last couple of days have been all sorts of rumors the state of play with regard to the former president. Yes exactly and if you look at the social media now alone again going people are asking for pictures because they saying until we see it we won't believe it but he's confirmed the pending. Jamey has taken off so he's now. With the president of Guinea heading towards Conakry there we don't exactly know the tons of the deal that prompted him to accept to step down whether or not he was granted amnesty for example you know that there's a lot of allegations of crimes committed in there is role we don't know exactly the terms of the deal yet. This stalemate has caused a lot of projects within the economy of Gambia As it with tourists in the country depends very much on tourists many of them being flown home early and that kind of thing is it too early to assess how the country's been affected by the stalemate. Well there's no doubt that this will have repercussions on the economy as you said Tourism accounts for nearly 20 percent of the Gambian economy so that's a huge for them and a lot of people here who are struggling trying to scrape together for the daily necessities depend on a tourist so the fact that foreign embassies had to change their travel advice over the last week and telling people to leave a huge number of British people Dutch people were flying home even yesterday we saw another 6 charter planes flying Britain's home that is a huge blow for the economy of the country and the last 3 days Ben jewel the capital has been a ghost town everything was shot gas stations banks markets told shops everything was closed so there is no doubt that that was a huge that there has been a huge impact for people and families here but hopefully the political crisis ended soon enough to avoid a complete catastrophe and the many people who were flying fled the country 45000 people have fled the country into Senegal Guinea Bissau our neighboring countries Well hopefully they will return soon now assessing the situation understanding that it is now safe again yeah and that is I suppose the good that's come out of this is that the bloodshed that was feared has been averted and this will will be something of a victory words for the the Community of West African States ECOWAS which was at the forefront of putting pressure on yeah John made to leave before there was a armed conflict or otherwise and you know the the incoming president said I'm a borrower who people might remember just a couple of days ago on Thursday was inaugurated in neighboring Sandy go he hasn't returned to Gambia Yet despite the news that his his nemesis if you like the outgoing president has left the country more not. Yes exactly but to pick up on your 1st point it is true any and I think it's very important to the friends of West African states have certainly sends a very strong message across the continent that they stand ready to fight for the people's will elections were held results were announced but the incumbent presidents will now find it extremely hard to try to overturn these results in their favor scenario that we've seen multiple times in the region or on the continent so these regional institutions have said you know if now it is true that the new president out of my Barrow is still in Dakar in Senegal and he said he would return to the country as soon as the past is clear until safety is guaranteed if you will so there is little doubt that he will be returning if it's not within the next 24 hours within the next few days when he does eventually take off is one of the main issues that he's going to have to do with. Well the economy is a fast and that's what he told my b.b.c. Courtney's in an interview today in Dhaka he said looking at the economy will be one of the main issues to make to make sure that they can improve their life of . The just in the 2000000 Gambians here remember that a lot of young Gagnon people are taking the migration routes through the Sahara and then trying to cross Mediterranean over to Europe because they're fleeing an economy situation that is not favorable to sustaining their families so that would be one priority he also vowed to set up a commission to investigate crimes that were committed and the Germans rule and that will go right to the heart of the Gambian people here who want freedom of expression. And how how will the how will these stories assess President job is 20 some of your rule. Well this was a strong man but too covering a coup in 1994 and he's done some good things in the way that he developed some infrastructure he passed a few goals not that benefited the people but on the whole I think what's historians will remember from his role is a very poor human rights track record the fact that they were disappearances and there is rule political prisoners esteem in jail journalist have been appeared there was no freedom of expression if you will and the security services were very well known in. Torture and treatment to civilians so I think that the fact that there was no opposition possible here in this country that will be what needs to Germany will be remembered for Also a very eccentric man a very unpredictable man somebody who once claimed that he could cure aids somebody who said that he was able to heal all the diseases somebody very unpredictable and who was holding firm on to power. Gambian after the news is will we will catch up with the week's news in South Africa as well as keep you updated with the tennis rebel bable 1st let's go to the latest 5 Live headboards are with Lucy Salem from digital online smartphone and tablet this is b.b.c. 5 Live change night so an break say it's unlikely to be on the agenda when the prime minister meets President on Friday Theresa May will become the 1st world leader to hold talks with Donald Trump at the White House more than a 1000000 people demonstrated against Mr Trump's presidency in cities across the u.s. And around the world a huge March was held in Washington in protest of the his statements about women the m.o day insists it has full confidence in the child and Nikkei a defense system despite reports that a test firing went wrong last year the Sunday Times says an unarmed rocket fired from h.m.s. Vengeance in the Atlantic Ocean shot off in the direction of the United States and a charity suggests more than a quarter of young British women aged between $25.29 it too embarrassed to go for a smith test the Department of Health says more needs to be done to promote the benefits of screening Now let's cross to Melbourne and get the latest from the astray and open with Russell fuller Misha is a rank outsider in this 4th round match with Andy Murray but he's made a brilliant start some fabulous returning and it's a break a piece in the opening set 3 games old and Murray's how to save 2 breakpoints in this game to avoid going a breakdown for 3 he has the advantage now but Sarah $58.00 in the world rankings is really performing 5 loosely Well so far in his 1st Grand Slam 4th round match Don Evans will be in action in. A couple of hours' time he plays his 4th round match against Joe Will Fritz already today we've had wins in the live in same goes for have a study of have you checked but as Murray wins the game to go for free you had had previous Williams 36 years of age to back in to be a straight Open quarter finals with the rest of the sport that is player coughing up so Bobby Charlton says Wayne Rooney is a truly great for club and country Rooney over to Charlton's goal scoring record at Manchester United scoring his 250th goal for the club in a one old tour against Stoke City I cannot figure out how much rest United has been for many years someone when you sign for the club you realise how important it is to this football club and surpassing to the causes you know it's even sort of saw the lights of the. Most respect for suburban he comments are some of their game and congratulated me on always. He's pleased in some way anyway Tottenham came from 2 goals down to draw 2 all with munches to City Spurs only had 2 shots on target in the match but City boss Pep Guardiola says his side needs to improve always we can do is create them play better and better that is what we can do but. It's the same of all the season this is all up and keep going and we are already said that would happen but I am so so proud to out with it in the place but didn't deserve that again it's $10.00 out of the bottom 3 after a $32.00 win over Liverpool and filled it means Chelsea could go 9 points clear at the top of the table if they'd be a whole city today Sarrasin secured a higher match in rugby unions Champions Cup quarter finals off debate in Toulon 13 the French side also go through to the last 8 as Paul Ryan is up they'll be joined by Glasgow who thrash left a $43.00 nil at Welford Road Ronnie O'Sullivan goes for a 7th masses title later today he'll play Joe Perry in the final after he Barry Hawkins by. 6 frames to 5 no one's won this tournament more than 6 times but O'Sullivan says he's not bothered about the records don't care about 2nd top way honest because if I won this one to be frank I want to win another one I want to win another one but I really can't my I'm gone past and I'm just enjoying myself for the great said the afternoon out well should I be doing it and not a lot really salvage a great day John I mean most people pay for that privilege and for 745 on 5 Live Sports Extra you can a commentary from England's final one day international the series against India the hosts of already secured the series victory this is b.b.c. 5 live on digital online smartphone and sound but very good morning to you another very frosty one out there right now temperatures have been down to minus 7 degrees in parts of England not quite so cold across western and far northern areas of the country little bit more than one or 2 spots of light rain in some of the coastal areas it's actually around 5 degrees for example tip of cold war there as so what can we expect on Sunday will western there is always have a little bit more cloud temperatures by day will be around 5 or 6 degrees anywhere from Cornwall west coasts of Wales more than Island the Western Isles of Scotland but basically the further east you go the brighter the weather will be so I think eastern coast of England and most of southern England today are in for an absolutely cracking day lots of sunshine and clear blue skies and after that frosty start it is of course going to take a while before things warm up so I think a high of maybe 4 or 5 degrees across the Midlands 6 or 7 degrees in London but the very very very beautiful sunny day in the south but the further west you are the more cloudy it will be and maybe one or 2 spots of red so that's Sunday a little heads up for u.n. Day even a word of warning as we head into the following night and into Monday we are. In for some very thick fog across England and Wales So Monday morning not just rural areas but in some of the towns and cities as well Senshi some very thick thick fog slowing things down and if anything that made the re thicken through Monday night into choose Day morning 2 days of potentially some really focus conditions on the way that still to come I'm 5 life whether the road to the Super Bowl fallow on 5 Live and 5 Live Sports Extra reach the conference championships of the n.f.l. Playoffs on the road to Super Bowl 60 waltz a lot between breach of the laws game so far as lost souls from 7 45 pm of responsible for the end it's just a great day because travel to the Atlanta Falcons on 5 flights stalls extra 10 11 pm switched to d.c. Radio 5 laws to laws coming through a.f.c. Championship between the Pittsburgh Steelers and the New England Patriots Fallon on 5 Live and 5 Live Sports Extra Take 5 Live on the go from digital online smart fun some plant all night with Dawson and a buyout so very busy weekend dominated by events in Washington and inauguration and the protests as well said the unconventional weekend I should say something we can expect more of Babs from President was he's in office firearms and a false has been getting a flavor of what's been happening in Washington d.c. . 15 minutes. Good morning guys have a great day to day journey my fellow job hope you guys help us but you know inauguration week and good morning good morning good morning. This is where it all starts raining this is the Make America Great Again welcome celebration you can probably hear a plane going go right in the halls of Washington right in front of the Lincoln Memorial have people have packed say and there are so many great Make America Great to get baseball caps they really are the item to be wearing here them I've been less suitable for you trouble from from Texas Tell me about you yes well we're the Crawford family and we came from Texas and we drove all the way here it was a very lengthy drive 20 hours away laughs I stayed Yes but we love Donald Trump and we are all American where all for everything related to America for family and for God and to we were so blessed to live here so excited and grateful to be full of him throughout the campaign was he a guy from the start no I actually wasn't but we see with made the nomination we fully supported him and we're ready to make America great again we're ready for change in changes come there are so many people around America around the world who are watching to see what happens next what kind of job do you think you'll to where looking forward to his new position as president and we know he'll be fabulous and he's got a lot on his plate and his agenda is broad so we're excited to have a new and new start here in America what will he do for you as a family that you've been lacking so far how will he change your life for the middle class of America we've been left out the last 8 years we've been left out had a voice at the table we expect change is going to benefit everybody we expect more jobs better health care. Health coverage my health coverage has gotten worse in the last 8 years it's the on Affordable Health Care Act my premiums have gone up and coverage is gone down and we need change and change is come we be watching those promises that he's made things like the old Awolowo you'll see the border of Texas he hoping to see that I'm not a big fan of a wall but then we need to secure our borders whether it's a wall or a gate I should mail or walk across the border into the u.k. Without showing so identification we need secure our borders how closely will you be watching what he does in these 1st few weeks how will you be watching to see if he measures up to all those promises that he made during that campaign. We maintain contact will be watching the news and watching our read the newspaper every day still and we're going to be watching to see how things come out again with Congress we expect a lot of the Christ there's no excuses now they have everything in place to which. the people here are full of anticipation now they are waiting in a few hours time they know that Donald Trump will be the next president it is the moment that they've been waiting for and not speech the way that people here reacted to that speech the things that he said he knew exactly what words to use exactly which buttons to pricey to. It's about the military he talks about bringing jobs back to America he talks about securing the borders of this country and it's exactly what these people wanted to hear these people from working towns across America these people who feel that Washington politics doesn't necessarily represent that what they're about what they do but tonight. In among these memorials in the nation's capital they feel that this is that moment they feel that this is time for change and they really genuinely believe that Donald Trump is the man to make America great again. 10 minutes. Hello I'm from. Hi I'm Rocky solely from Rogers Arkansas right in the middle of the United States and I am well muscly from Rogers Arkansas and I know it's a cell you're wearing me to make America great again baseball cap yes I've been wearing it ever since he walked down the escalator and said he wanted to run for president so you're all here for the inauguration Yes try to come every 4 years to celebrate the peaceful transfer of power in America. Supports a home in the United States of course so imo supporter of my president don't draw he is a true American which means that he remembers America back when we had the drive in theaters and back when we opened the doors for women and back when America had morals 'd and had principles that we taught our children when we taught our children American history about what this country is founded on and how many countries it's helped and that's what I want America to get back to where Donald Trump and I agree I like it that he's a businessman and the government is a business if we all ran our homes like the government's been run then we wouldn't be able to sustain it and I'm glad that we're going have a businessman in there that knows how to run store the prosperity from Lenore North Carolina we're here for the in. Here ation we came out today will be here to send a very different tram and we're very excited to be here and to be a part of this is story of the ant is really taking shape around us now is just. Looking ahead of us we can see all of the pens and things are coming together you can probably hear that the sound check is going on in the background as well yes we can it's very exciting Dyster be in the atmosphere are there and be around every one to see what's taken shape and we plan on going to Arlington tomorrow for the replaying ceremony and the concert after that so we have a big weekend planned so when this is all over them come Monday day one of Donald Trump's presidency what do you want him to do because he's promised to do a lot on the 1st day what are you hoping for. There will be soon or so he was going to do the 1st the. Hope restrictions what he's told us. From our. 8 minutes. And Barbara Black Cervi of North Carolina what brings you here today are you must be big supporters to make this journey here to Washington are very big transporters and we are just here to experience history to we what we can see around us right now is this all is all taking shape at the moment isn't it yeah there's a lot of people I think a lot of excitement in our not thinking about it cares about the writing We're just here to celebrate our new president and support him from what you've seen so far today are people you know it is because the Ripper test is around here in Washington as well not just supporters like you that's part of our freedom we have freedom of speech they can express their views we can express ours and then we can just walk away free and you know we're not going to agree with everyone. We should do. Michael Field about the the numbers of people on the national will because I think a lot of people when they cool it into a curation to mind now they think if Barack Obama is back in 200911 point 8000000 people packed into here I mean all the way beyond where we are now back to the Lincoln Memorial the crowds are looking a little smaller today it's cold it's a Democratic town but there are. Many people here I would think just from a visual inspection that the crowd is about a 3rd of the size that it was for Barack Obama for those of you who have been to Washington you know that we number our streets and 0 is where the capitol is the crowd currently goes to about 7th or 8th when you mention 2009 which was an extraordinary large crowd that crowd went all the way to 23rd Street the president elect of the United States Donald Trump please raise your right hand and repeat after me I Donald John Trump do solemnly swear I. Do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States the office of president of the United States Congratulations Mr President. Every decision on trade on taxes on immigration on foreign affairs will be made to benefit American workers and American families we must protect our borders from the ravages of other countries making our products stealing our companies and destroying our jobs together we will make America strong again we will make America wealthy again we will make America proud again we will. Make America safe again and yes together we will make America great again thank you God bless you God Bless America I was thinking greatest inaugural address I have ever heard nothing comes close to us an American the how do you feel right now how do. I feel our system is going to undergo a stress test that we have not experienced in 50 years and it will shellshocked I am. 4 minutes. It was a powerful powerful speech let's meet some of the people here on the National Mall that it was directed at the speech was perfect it was to the point short and to the common man it spoke to the people and I think that's why it's going to stand out it's going to stand the test of time well Rianna rated his promises when he 1st said he was going to run and. I think that we all think. That makes the speech good because a lot of guys back off then they changed the rhetoric if you will and then make it politically correct where Same same thing you said year and a half ago which is think refreshing I'm looking forward to him doing the things that he he promised from the beginning and I believe that since he is not a politician he's used to doing what he says and he's going to fulfill those promises to all of us some of them with difficult promises let's be honest he talked about eradicating Islamic terrorism from the face of the earth which is a very laudable thing to do but people have been trying to do it for a long time but they haven't managed it he's talked about making your country great again about job the economy he set the ball really high for himself yeah I felt that you know the last president really didn't do anything to combat Islamic terrorism if you can't say it how are you going to do something about it. Well is the security perimeter around the center Goshen to. Dismantled this is by no means the end of the story normally an inauguration weekend might still be at the end of the day will miss the USA had a new president but this time around there is something a little different happening women from right across America are going out to protests today and the numbers are expected to be absolutely She huge you can see the women who would say maybe because ladies I notice you've got bags with you so you've clearly floated Why is it that women from rights around the country have been compelled to come here the day after the inauguration and March like this can't speak for all women the for us well I'm a married lesbian and I live in Missouri and we just got the right to be married in this country and it's a scary thought to think what might happen with the new administration so you're concerned the what your marriage might be in danger of being an old maid illegal Yeah certainly could be reversed with the kind of alignment of Republican power that's now been placed here in Washington so and you know on a broader scale for women's right to think that some of the things that are really are unprecedented in terms of the kind of things that were said on the ugliness the Volga nice during the during the election and some of it directed at women we just can't sit around and say that this is Ok or that we're going to say this is going to be normal for us going forward as Americans here today to just voice my opposition in the name of humanity and this planet against kind of the hatred and the arrogance and the violence and the oppression from and this whole platform has really stood on I think. This time in history and more by people who have stood up and said that they did not accept it and they were not Ok with it and they tried to fight. You know what is happening this time. America may be one country but. It doesn't speak with one voice thousands of people hundreds of thousands came here to Washington d.c. To welcome in a new era the era of Donald Trump the man who promised that nobody would be forgotten that he would give America back to its people and that he would make it great again but yeah it's 24 hours later hundreds of thousands more people turned out who didn't agree with that message who think he could be the worst thing that's ever happened to that country it's a divided nation it will be his job to try and unify it's Donald Trump's chapter is just beginning who knows how it will end was. Was that. 5 hours and a Foster there reporting from Washington d.c. As catch up was going on in the Australian Open and the Mari's on cool Russia is there for us in Melbourne Russia was the latest twice to break up in this opening set against mischa's Vera who is the world number 50 he's now breakdowns Vera is playing quite brilliant match she's broken Mari twice in succession He's won 3 games in a row he is now serving for the 1st set leading the world number one the 5 times beaten finalist here by 6 games to 5 a Russell being the world's number one you are in the sides of absolutely everybody in the draw your the one they want to be yes there's an even bigger bounty on your head I agree that players do love to be a grand slam champions the reigning champions the world number one in this case Maurice just missed the 402 points away from dropping the opening set and Vera after after all the problems he's had with injury fractured wrist 2 fractured ribs herniated disc a tear in his patellar tendon and then. Fighting is way back inspired by his younger brother Alex who nearly beat Rafa Nadal yesterday he's got himself into great shape and he's playing absolutely brilliant tennis he's got 3 set points with another big so pay to take the 1st set from Andy Murray the 1st set Andy Murray will have lost this week as a therapist Charlie 30 does that he just serve volley which is rare these days so he says he's coming straight into the net trying to put the volley away 1st at the setpoints Ace I really is tennis for a mission is very simply outstanding long way to go pretty taken the 1st set against Andy Murray by 7 games to 5 cross my heart jump. But as you say a long way to go in particular when it's the world's imo I would been here before not just revalue Murray but with other worlds number ones Russell they do have a habit of raising their guy somewhat Is it do you have any sense that maybe and Imari wasn't fully concentrating on this 1st. I think he was looking at is statistics the way he's been serving it up and serving too badly at all I think it's just that the policy of the returns from the other end of the court has been magnificently good cans verify it out that's the difference Normally we have one who's 50 in the world one who's number one in the world and they are in those positions for a reason can he continue to play the brilliant kind if he has ever said to me I still might marry quite a clear favorite for this match but that has certainly made it interesting unmissable and thanks for now Russell full of the Melbourne full coverage of that is on fire Bob sports extra Let's catch up now the latest news from South Africa where John Jack. President over the other side of the Atlantic is having issues certainly and being protested against by women's groups amongst others I see the similar things happening with the president where you are. Well done to not not quite the same I mean everyone because we have them democracy and presidential problems all of the what about in Gambia where John is just slipped this morning into exile and in South Africa in a wonderful race I mean it tends to be the case in African elections you that razor head above the parapet until absolutely necessary Well Jacob Zuma is former wife of course as one of the meanings to the current leave the African Union Commission chippers and she will lose that job all got at the in in just a couple of weeks time she's been named by the African the African National Congress is woman's league a very powerful body as big candidate for the presidency not the a.n.c. Has elective Congress at the end of this year a new president will a new president of the a.n.c. Will be elected and that person will in all likelihood become the next president of the country in the 1990 dictions that we do not have presidential elections the head of the region party then becomes the prince that it will the Women's League members of the woman speak of a and get at this and then say what we said we had a woman candidate but there are many capable and by naming and causes are not by means of at this time really a bitch been a sect in the face for a number of other type of woman one of them speak about Nick and Betty believe she was pretty capable as she is now seriously Jacob Zuma as it goes to 6 Why because she's saying that he has long promised me he is a dual sman Well that's no longer the case so I think that business better now for the prince or did see the a.n.c. The deputy president sitting Ramaphosa he a very much wants the job that he's making the noises to indicate this but there are other forces attracting the anti Zuma elements within the party and the. It's believed it says the show had according to analysts is that if you supported an cause and sign a check of Simmons ex-wife then you supporting him and if you supporting a tsunami of phones are who actually wanted to succeed Nelson Muntz Deborah but wasn't able to do it wasn't allowed to and then went off and made billions in business ties come back into politics all this it was a clear plan of becoming president that he might be stymied if he doesn't get the support within the party the issue here of course adopted is that Will the party all these factions within the party split at the premiere of Limpopo Province north of here a very very powerful man standing by Vika is saying that do we want to have this again the Congress of the people the Koch slipped away 9 years ago the economic freedom fighters led by just by leverage they stripped away and that has weakened the party to some extent chipping weakened it as we saw in the local elections this year of course Nelson Mandela famously tried to reinvigorate to South Africa the new South Africa as a non-prejudiced country whether it be prejudice against people because of race or sexual orientation and so on and gender causes South Africa today South Africa ready for a woman president. Interesting phrase you use because it's exactly the phrase that Jacob you do many years the saying it's we are ready for a woman is that not interesting to that plan meaning Suma it's not the 1st time she's been put out for the job it was none other than Zuma has previous s.s. Come on Vicki who said we are ready for a woman president and he indicated that he would very much have liked him closer than a Blimey needs to succeed him well he didn't get not the 1st not decide who should succeed him but he was in fact recalled is the word they used and he is presidency was cut short by some months and they voted for checkups even to come in it seems from what you're saying that a beverage who have a sense sees Jacob Zuma he will definitely he him selfe will continue being influential in South Africa opponents and for some time when you know I don't know about that he's. Well all the corruption and the mismanagement that the ring has stuck very much to have you know there's some say that it won't survive until the end of the year till the elected conference that we have something beforehand that you know this scandal after scandal are parading down on him so you everywhere are kept out keeping its job until the night the night in the election very much doubt that he will be a figure all of power over the great interests of the party out there that I said has been a weekend of President Zuma you know Jack thank you very much enjoy Coney's as in from us thanks for listening thanks for this quote of course we're back lead tomorrow from one. You. Still miss the c.b.c. 5 quid the 5 o'clock Nissan 5 Live I'm Lee csail and the White House says Theresa May will be the 1st world leader to meet President Trump the power expected to discuss the possible trade deals that night so and breaks it has our political correspondents and what's in the u.k. Cancelling the trade deal with the u.s. Until it leaves the European Union but number 10 has praised the enthusiasm of the president from the Asians and the school of a future do is likely to be discussed but turning Street has also made it clear that Mrs May wouldn't hesitate in raising any issues of concern the White House also announced that Mr Trump would meet the Mexican president at the end of the month during his election campaign Mr Trump promised to halt illegal immigration from Mexico by building a wall along the border and making the country pay for it more than a 1000000 Americans turned out in cities across the country to. Protest against President Trump originally a single rally was planned in Washington to protest against his comments about women but marches were held around the world these 2 joined a March in London sexist announcing the fact that it's being voted industries our people are still accepting not in length I have been. Searching me and the racist have his position on climate and climate change that things that give it to women across the globe I think it's really dangerous I mean it's a really dangerous person and what he stands for is really dangerous So here's our North America editor John Sopel having seen today it's clear that many many more people were protesting against Donald Trump than came to his inauguration yesterday and that underlines just how divided this country remains one bit of division that Donald Trump tried to put an end to today was that visit to CIA headquarters no president has gone that quickly before but no president before his diction almost declared war on the agency the ministry of defense insists it has full confidence in the child didn't need a missile system despite unconfirmed reports of a malfunction jarring a test last year the Sunday Times says a missile fired from the submarine h.m.s. Vengeance in the Atlantic Ocean very off in the direction of the United States at least 23 people have been killed many more injured in a train crash in the southeastern Indian state of progress reports say 7 coaches and the engine of an express train derailed a charity is claiming more than a quarter of young British women aged between $25.29 aren't going for their smear test because they're too embarrassed the Department of Health says more must be done to promote the benefits of screening our health correspondents meet him and reports that test the aim to pick up early changes before cancer happens last year and has figures suggest more than a 1000000 women invited to take the test didn't take up the offer. The Department of Health says cervical screening saves around $4500.00 lives a year a survey suggests the crisis in England's hospitals is being made worse by delays and people receiving social care assessments the data from the watchdog Health Watch claims some patients have to wait nearly 2 years the recommended time is 6 weeks now less cost to Melbourne to get the latest from the Australian Open with Russell fuller where Andy Murray has lost his 1st set of the week and he has lost it to Misha's verify the world number 58 in his 1st Grand Slam 4th round match a brilliant performance by the serve volley of with some fabulous returns of serve and he took it breaking Murray 3 times by 7 games to 5 Murray there to has the does have a break in the 2nd set he used to love all this just half an hour before Dan Evans comes on court to play Joe Wilfred Tsonga in his 4th round match his commentary now on 5 Live Sports Extra as Clare costing him brings you the rest of the morning's sport so Bobby Charlton says Wayne Rooney is a true great for club and country after the striker broke his munches united all time goal scoring record Rooney scored his 250th united goal in their one Stoke 2nd place talk Then came from 2 goals down to draw 2 all at Manchester City then now 6 points off leaders Chelsea manager Tino except his side got a bit lucky so as the city are out of the relegation zone after a $32.00 win over Liverpool it was their 1st league win and filled Sunderland though they're back bottom of the table after 2 nil loss at West Brom Saracens have secured a home quarter final in rugby union Champions Cup after beating 2 long 13 the French side also go through to the last 8 as one of the 3 best pool runners up and Perry fought back from 52 down to be Barry Hawking 65 and with it booked his place in today's final against Ronnie O'Sullivan former Stuart see here they'll come out semifinals when it's day 8 o'clock sometimes in. So I'm filled with him to defend their one mil lead against Liverpool will they come to really that mischance is from the 1st like I. Should. Because cars have a photo of a 75 Manchester you know if you take in Syria lead to Premier League strugglers whole city climbing side battle back to overcome the rain years many of the takeoff training for the fall for. The e.f.l. Car on final ice full Chris and Sam have a break 1st from 6 pack now it's time to join Dr Chris Smith and the team for 5 Live Science This is a pre recorded program so please call or text. Hello welcome to 5 Live Science from the Naked Scientist team I'm Chris Smith 1st this hour we'll take a look at some of the week's leading science breakthroughs including how scientists are turning to robotics to help treat heart failure the chemical from a shark which can prevent Parkinson's Disease and do you really eat 8 spiders in a lifetime when you're asleep plus people have been writing about humor for centuries and it seems on the face of it that we have quite a lot of theories of humor can robots learn to tell jokes we're looking at the science of laughter the naked scientists are 5. First this week 40000000 people are affected worldwide by heart failure this is where the heart muscle itself is diseased and it cannot pump sufficient amounts of blood to meet the demands of the body it's really debilitating and it robs sufferers of their quality of life and their independence. At the moment the only long term solution is a transplant but only a tiny fraction of people who could benefit from a heart transplant actually get one each year and this is prompted research as to develop gadgets called ventricular assist device is which can help to boost the heart's pumping ability but they do have some serious shortcomings now National University of Ireland researcher Ellen Roche has helped to design a new one which fits around the heart rather like a glove and it solves some of these existing problems. So this is a sleeve made of a rubber with embedded balloons I can contract and beast with the heart to help the heart to pump additional blood around the body the advantage of this type of technology is that the sleeve goes around the outside of the heart and it doesn't contact the blood like the existing ventricular assist device is why is it a problem if these devices contact blood because blood is pumped through foreign materials and in contact with foreign components it can clashed and clotting can lead to events such as stroke so patients that have these devices are on blood thinners and this medication can itself have complications now tell us about the device and how was it put in and when has it work so the device will be placed around the heart surgically for this study in our preclinical models we open the chest through the sternum which is a chest bone and it's surgically placed around the heart and the device itself is made of silicone and we've imbedded artificial muscles that are small contract I elements and we oriented them in a way that mimicked the way the muscle of the her to is organized so when they contracted you got squeezing motion as well as twisting motion and this is how the heart itself move so by mimicking the heart we could improve the push and how do you power the device how do you make it go through those changes. So the elements work by pressurized air that comes from an external pressurized air source and we have pressure regulators and valves and these are synchronized to open and closed when the heart tracks and relaxes so you effectively applying a pressure to the heart from outside squeezing the blood is a bit like sort of squeezing a cloth in your fist I'm bringing the water out it's sort of doing that to the heart and therefore helping it to eject enough blood to go around the body exactly I'm as you mentioned squeezing but also ring this twisting really helps and that's something that's different to previously described research in this area now heart failure comes in lots of different flavors and can affect one side of the heart over the other because we have a left side and a right side to the heart which do slightly different jobs so can your device accommodate all these ranges of heart failure types Yeah exactly one of the nice things about our devices it's quite modular so we can independently actually pressurize different sides of the device so we can program it so that only the left side will contract and we can also adjust the timing and the degree of assistance delivered to the heart to tailor it to air with if a patient needs and what sort of performance can you get out of this I know you've only done this preclinical and that means you're working on things like pigs doesn't it but what sort of performance will it generate. And so in our preclinical models we used a drug to slow down the heart into reduced contractility and the output from the main vessel coming from the heart the flow in the aorta it's called and reduced down to about 50 percent of healthy function this simulation the reduction in function that you would typically see in a heart failure patient and we were able to bring that back up to very close to the healthy baseline level. How does the heart tolerate having one of these devices in contact with it does it object to being squeezed from the outside in this way could it become bruised and damaged Yeah that's a really good question and it's one we looked at in the paper at the interface between the device and the heart there is a risk that you have some friction and damaged so we looked at introducing a hydrogen kind of a jelly like Lair that would sit at the interface of the heart and device and reduce the trauma are there friction that the device could impart on the heart and protect it really is there no Turner tive to doing this with an external compressed air source because of course one of the things people are going to find objectionable is having to trail around with tubes and leads coming out of themselves Yes So currently. There are devices that have portable pressurized fluid chemistry is that could be worn out of there after a backpack and we used air for this proof of concept study but we could change it to helium which is you know a lower molecular way sure we could use fluid like water Ideally we'd like to move to an implantable pump so you know the last hardware that's external to the body as you mentioned the better even in terms of power eventually it would be nice to move to batteries that could be charged through the skin or trans cutaneous flea that's in the future and we wish her luck Ellen Roche there and she published that work. This week in Science Translational Medicine Now we were saddened to hear 5 Live Science to learn that NASA astronaut Captain using Cern and who was officially the last man on the moon recently passed away Tom Hamlin has been looking at his life. On the 16th of January 27th the last human to stand on the moon passed away Captain Gene Cernan had there in a lunatic with fellow policy 17 astronaut Harrison Schmitt. Gene traveled into space 3 times on Gemini 9 I a Politan and as commander of Apollo 17 he's also one of only 3 people to travel to the moon twice. Back in 2014 the space puffins part cost interview and he encouraged others to literally follow in his footsteps but also to explore the rest of our solar system. All you've done is prove we can do it close a barn door and said Be happy about it and that's not good now we are going to go back to the moon why all we did was prove we can work and survive up to now we've got a group to take advantage of the resources of Monet has to offer us here on this planet and it's a stepping stone to go to that place called Mars is it water was your water could a life exist is Mars like Earth was Julian years ago or is my as like Earth might be a Junior is in a future maybe we're going to go simply because it's there simply because we can and that's why. We will using the moon as a stepping stone to explore Mars would help us further understanding of the universe and our place within it but not only that if humanity is to survive the threats of dinosaur killing asteroid super volcanoes or even a nuclear war. We need to have a backup home and Mars is the only candidate so far with current levels of interest a mission to Mars may be on the cards sooner rather than later. Ok We're just 2 years 10 years or 50 years and I'd like it to be a mom or a it in Going to me but those young kids are gonna fall for steps are going to pick up where we left off it takes us back up there we belong in December $972.00 is June prepared to return to planet or he scratched his daughter's initials on the lunar surface and left us with these words was. I was. With God. Was. Tom O'Hanlon reporting on the death this week of messes Gene Cernan. You're listening to 5 Live Science with me Chris Smith still to come we're looking at the science of laughter and hearing how a chemical from a shock is showing scientists how to halt Parkinson's disease but before that it's time for our regular myth conception the part of the show where we take dogma and dodgy science to task this week cattle me is looking at the science of the midnight feast but this isn't what you think the land of note is a mysterious place and with blissfully unaware of most things that are happening to us while we sleep it's common knowledge that one of the things we do is eat play does a remarkably precise 8 every year so when did this idea come from talk that given the current media discussions about fake knees it was made up by a journalist back in 1903 according to the myth busting website Snipes Lisa Holst writes an article for the magazine p.c. Professional highlighting the way that emails packed with ridiculous made up facts well being circulated by the gullible and credulous. How times have changed as part of her piece host presented her own list of totally made up stats including the one about eating spiders in 10 she got it from a list of common misconceptions about insects in a book published back in 1954 however and this must be pointed out with some irony there's no independent confirmation that Snopes this story is true either so let's think about the likelihood of snapping up a spider in your sleep at night according to scientific american which spoke to several spider experts in search of an answer spiders are more likely to run away from a sleeping human then start exploring us the scared off by vibrations produced by a halt beats breathing and especially snoring and people are likely to be woken up by the sensation of something crawling on their face before the spider gets into their mouth however there are plenty of anecdotal stories of people being bitten by spiders in the night and also biting back reporting finding bits of legs between their teeth in the morning so although we probably do eat the old smelly to Jaring a lifetime it's impossible to know for sure or how many the only way to find out would be to film many people asleep night after night and then cafe watch the types to spot any spiders crawling their way into an open mouth not only does that sound like a very boring research project it's also a more than a bit creepy in itself. In fact if you're worried about eating spiders or other insects you're actually far more likely to have chomped on them when you wide awake as that often found in processed food one estimate suggests the average person unintentionally eats about whole of the keel of insects every year there are even legal limits on the amount for example the u.s. Puts a limit of 60 insect fragments per 100 grams of chocolate in case you're wondering why that fruit and nut ball was extra crunchy finally rather than worrying about accidentally knocking back a few spiders at night time some cultures even make a point of eating arachnids Freud spiders are popular street food in the Cambodian town of skew on West species of Tarantula the size of your palm is mixed with sugar salt and garlic and then fried in oil apparently they are crispy on the outside and soft in the middle tasting a bit like a cross between chicken and fish proof if ever it was needed that anything can be made edible if you fry it with enough garlic. And well I may never know exactly how many spiders I've eaten by accident I think I'll give those ones and this cat Arnie and if there's some suspicious or dodgy sounding science that you've come across and you'd like us to look into it do drop us a line to 5 Live Science b.b.c. Doco to u.k. And we'll see what we can dig up for you. Next a chemical which is found in sharks can block the process that leads to Parkinson's disease that's what scientists at Cambridge University found and announced this week known as squirrel mean the substance prevents a protein called Alpha Psi nuclear from accumulating on and damaging the membranes of nerve cells in the brain a synthetic form of squalid mean protected cells cultured in a dish as well as microscopic worms that have been genetically altered to make them develop a Parkinson's like syndrome Christofferson explain to me how he and his colleagues made the discovery so what we've in fact done is to find a compound that in our laboratory conditions appears to be effective in inhibiting the process that we're sociate with the beginnings of Parkinson's disease in humans and what all those processes when someone develops Parkinson's disease what's going on to cause those symptoms Our view is that Parkinson's Disease is one of a range of diseases in close out Simas and as in your attention diseases and these are associated with proteins that misfiled so proteins in our body do just about everything necessary for life but sometimes they will change from their functional forms into malfunctioning forms particularly they will aggregate in clump together to form species which actually toxic and generate the processes which lead to the disease and how are you seeking to intervene what is the nature of the molecule that you are studying which you think will give you a way of either stopping or reversing that process of mis folding of the proteins. Over the last few years we've been trying to find molecules that will interrupt specific steps in this rather complex process this particular compound came back for a very interesting reason that we realize that alpha synuclein the proteins associated with Parkinson's disease seems to need a membrane surface in order to begin the misfolded aggregation to form these toxins the normal function of our facility which is not fully understood something to do with the action of nerve cells involved interacting with the cell membrane and what happens in the disease we think is it interacts in appropriately with some aspects of the membrane starts to aggregate So the membrane is intrinsically involved in the process not just its function but in the the processes which lead to the disease and so you're saying if you can find molecules which can get between the officer nuclear and the membrane neither prize it off or stop it gluing itself on in the wrong way in the 1st place that might help to reverse some of the damage to the cell that would otherwise occur that's absolutely right There are 2 ways you could think of that one is it could prevent the initial steps of the process occurring and if you didn't get any operant species form then you would never develop the disease and the compounds you've been looking at actually interestingly we think actually also make the. Toxic clumps if you like less toxic and therefore may actually be able to operate not just by stopping the process itself by making less serious when it happens what's the compound the compounds called squalid meaning it's an amino sterile but it has a very interesting history because it was originally discovered in the dogfish shark a bat more than 20 years ago and it was known to be an antibiotic and the Daschle been tested to see whether it might actually be effective in. Various types of disease but the really key issue this collaborators at Georgetown University here discovered scholar meaning fat interact with cell membranes and if they knew the type of work we would think the possibility arose that the interference with the cell membrane might actually affect the way the alpha synuclein interacted in fact that was really where the whole process started because we then tested Skolem in and we found in fact that it did inhibit the process of clumping of the alpha synuclein and also reduced its toxic effects do you know yet how the school I mean is doing this how it is protecting the cells and stopping these aggregates from forming or from being harmful we have a good idea about both of those issues squalor mean appears to compete effectively with Alpha snooped and for the membrane surface and therefore it's less likely to undergo this aggregation process but like her making a cell a bit like a nonstick pan that's a very good analogy it actually makes it less sticky to the alpha synuclein The other thing it seems to do is that when you get these species which are toxic. Squalene appears to make them stick less strongly to a membrane and it's the sticking of the toxic species to a membrane is the next process which actually is thought to cause the damage Kristofferson from Cambridge University and that discovery was announced this week in the journal p.l.o.s. . A new study suggests that tens of thousands of middle aged women could be suffering from believe me or anorexia or binge eating these types of mental illness a usually associated with teenage girls but the research from University College London has shown that one in 28 women in their forty's and fifty's are struggling with an eating disorder and the majority of them are not seeking any help or treatment Liz Fraser had believed here for 15 years and a she explained to Greg Jackson it nearly cost her her life. With mental health problems I think it's very difficult to identify the moment that it started I mean I was a fairly typical case I guess I was 15 not very happy at home brother leaves home a lot of academic pressure very highly driven very high standards but losing a little bit of weight became a thing and I had to Groff you know I needed to like plotting the numbers and if the numbers didn't go down then that was a bad day so everything good or bad became associated with this growth regardless of my son that was almost immaterial what starts as something every so often then becomes all the time and then becomes an addiction and at that point even if you don't want to exhibit these babies even if you don't want to behave that way you still will because that's what you do Was there a point where you just thought this is a I've gone too far and I need help or what was that turning point for you for me as with many people there were probably many points like that that's one of the frustration things with addictions isn't it you have those moments we go right I'm going to sort this out I'm going to you know are going to put lists on fringes and I'm going to you know and then you don't or you do for a while and you have a relapse and every time that happens you know got this was I was not going to do this I was going to be determined and then knocks me even further down and then for whatever reason you wake up feeling stronger and you can go right I'm going to sort this out so there I think you have to be prepared one has to be prepared in the recovery process for these relapses to occur and not to get lower and lower down I mean I had 3 children during this time when I was 15 I hasten to add you know this continued till I was the city 30 often quite a turning point for people. So I looked well and I appeared to be functioning well I got a degree from Cambridge and I was making films and t.v. Programs I had young kids I was looking off them to anybody in the outside world I was very well but I think the real crunch moment came for me when my youngest was about 111 and a half and I just one day in my kitchen I just nearly died right standing right there and I can reckon remember the feeling of this sort of sculpture and just freezing night that was it. Sadly Liz isn't alone Dr Richard slight from the eating disorder charity Beat they affect about 725000 men and women of all ages and backgrounds in the u.k. It's not just the stereotype that people have of you know young middle class teenage girls going through a phase or doing it to look good it does a serious mental illnesses which which you know can impact on anybody not Liz described her experience of but she had been a mere 15 years but amazingly she was functional still she had 3 children but my understanding is that eating disorders actually claim more lives than any other mental illness like depression or psychosis Yeah absolutely I mean anorexia nervosa has the highest mortality right out of any mental illness either these illnesses which can really destroy someone's life and impact greatly on the family of that person as well because the study published recently in the b.m. Say is looking at for the 1st time which I find very staggering about the prevalence of eating disorders in women across all ages particularly in their forty's and fifty's and I was surprised at some of the statistics in that it was 15 percent of women had had an eating disorder at some point in their life and 3.6 percent are currently struggling one now is this something that you were surprised by Well 1st a lot so we wholeheartedly welcome this research there's not enough research to do this is actually really important really exciting research and this figure of 15 percent of women having an eating disorder at some point in their life and 3 percent currently suffering is is actually quite alarming but it's not something we're particularly surprised by so be run a helpline which is open $365.00 days a year and last year 15 percent of our calls to the helpline were about someone over the age of 40. So this research further supports the importance of providing an of an appropriate treatment pathway for individuals with eating disorders of all ages because at the moment the focus is very much on helping young people like people in their later years or in mid-life find a very very hard to get the treatment they need for their reason disorder and what is the treatment for it how do you get better or recover from something like that if. Recovery is hard but it's possible and it's incredibly worth it generally it's going to be a form of talking therapy and people can start thinking about the reasons behind their behaviors because the sad fact is and this is something the paper highlights is that those who reported having an eating disorder less than a 3rd of them actually sought any help and I what I just wonder why is that what is the barrier there from people getting what they really deserve a neat I think in this population that we're talking about they can find it almost embarrassing to go to a g.p. And say that you have this illness which wrongly associated to be you know teenage girls illness and I think there could be a lot of shame or embarrassment around our lives despite all the stigmatizing and stereotyping did seek help and turned her experience into something positive a website it's in my head case dot com She hopes headcase will turn mental health on its head by sharing her experiences Yeah headcase came out of all of my experiences of different types of mental health problems whether it be eating disorders when I was younger when I was in my thirty's I had panic attacks and then I had a breakdown in my early forty's and what I found every time I talked about it that person would say I had that too or my mum had that my friend has that there's a guy at work who has that it really began to strike me that this stuff is everywhere and mental health issues affect absolutely everybody and if it's not you it's someone you know it's part of your life and for as long as we keep it as something we it it will be associated like that I want people to wear the headcase badges and stand up and say yeah I look after my head I've got let you know problem with that so if I've got a sore knee I get seem to if I'm feeling anxious jumpy panicky freaked out in any way I will go and find some help about that I acknowledge that and I look after my head just as well as I look after my body and if you or anyone you know has been affected by an eating disorder you can visit the b.b.c. Action line website for details of organizations that can help you as a b.b.c. Doco dot u.k. Slash action line. It's time now for the news and sport straight afterwards though we will be hearing about songs of laughter from Digital all morning smartphone and tablet this is b.b.c. 5 It is 5 30 am Lisi Salem the White House says Theresa May will become the 1st world leader to hold talks with President Chavez hit store shell meets him on Friday night so and breaks it so likely to be on the agenda the Energy says it back see you case nuclear weapons system after reports an unarmed missile went off course during a test the Sunday Times says an unarmed rocket fired from h.m.s. Vengeance in the Atlantic Ocean shot off in the direction of the u.s. More than 20 people have been killed or many injured in a train crash in the south east an Indian state of Andhra Pradesh reports say 7 coaches and the engine of an express train have to rails there are calls for more to be done so encourage more British women to have smear tests at Charity is claiming more than a quarter of those aged between $25.29 aren't going for the screening because they're too and barest Now let's cross to Melbourne and get the latest from their strategy and open with Russell fuller where surprisingly in his 4th from March Andy Murray in a real battle against the 50th ranked player mischa's Vera from Germany who's playing a brilliant match he's broken Maryse 5 times Murray's broken his 4 verify set to the good having taken that 75 and having just broken back it's back home serve in the 2nd set 4 games old Dan Evans June quarter the next even it's a great job it's on as we get the rest of the sport to crack cutting and so Bobby Charlton says when Rooney is a truly great for club and country Rooney over to Charlton's goal scoring record at Manchester United scoring his 250th goal for the club in a one or against Stoke City icon a figure how much as the United has been for many years when you sign for the club you realise I want. And to use to this football club and surpass into the same goals as you know it's never even thought of and so annoying delights of the. Most respectful suburbian he comments are some of their game and I'm congratulated me on always he's pleased in some way anyway Tottenham came from 2 goals down to draw to a with munches to City Spurs and he had 2 shots on target in the match but City boss Pep Guardiola says his side needs to improve always we can do is create them play better and better that is what we can we can do but. 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This week on b.b.c. 5 Live. Welcome back to 5 Live Science I'm Chris Smith And now George Mills and I going to explore the science of gags giggles and laughter look at why laughter evolved what babies find funny and with a robots can learn to tell jokes and better still jokes that are an improvement on my own but 1st do you find science it's so funny Well comedy troupe festival. The spoken word are running a Best of Show at Soho Theatre in London and all of their comedy is about just fat cats on a has been hearing all about it. Hello I'm Helen only on one 3rd of festival of this week and we are 3 comedians who all have a background in science and I've decided that what the world needs more than anything else is a comedy show that is not taking the mick out of science that is not the same old science gags about 2 atoms walking into a bar and all that stuff this is a comedy show that is science we do experiments are the songs that have been peer reviewed Steve. Crazy things that he's been around the world investigating Maps does stand up math package that is the case premier slash only stand up mathematician here you're all right the poet Oh sure. And between the 3 of us we created this thing that we did for our own pleasure really to start with that was trying to make comedy the felt like real science maybe gentleman few people and. Any science that you apply to your gigs are there any scientific experiments or thinking about things scientifically when it comes to trying to make people laugh. I do think there are some parallels between science and comedy because when you're a scientist you have a hypothesis you think that an experiment is going to produce a certain result and you have to be open to the idea that that result isn't going to go the way you think it is when you're a comedian your hypothesis is I think this joke is funny therefore this audience will laugh at this joke and you take it out there you say on stage they don't laugh you have to accept that you might put this is all the evidence says this audience does not find that joke funny no laughter here you have to accept that and you are right you change how you do it maybe there was something wrong with your method maybe how you delivered it was wrong maybe you forgot one of the variables and of course the secret of comedy is. Timing Harry I am not saying this is what you. Want to. Harm you are. Hellen on me and she was being interviewed by our own cat on me and yes they are related Kat is head and sister and Helen is performing on the 1st of all the spoken word the Karni on the Soho Theatre in London. Now laughter isn't just a founding comedy shows people are laughing their socks off all the time but without sounding like a grouch What is the point when and why did our species for instance start laughing and is laughing unique to us as humans we're joined now by neuroscientist Sophie Scott she's at University College London Sophie why what she is laughter Why do we do it it is a very interesting behavior because if you ask human adults about it it's something we like we'll talk about but we will say that we laugh at jokes and comedy and humor but if you actually watch us and this is done very nicely by rote pro Vine what you find is it's a completely social behavior something we do when we're with other people most of laughter occurs during conversations with other people and even then we hardly ever laughing at jokes we're laughing to show that we understand people we agree with them or we you know we know them we like them we're part of the same group as them so we're doing huge amount of social aspects of interaction we're actually managing with laughter but when I'm actually laughing Sophie what's going on physiologically what's my body doing because it's quite a distinct thing isn't it laughter everyone can recognise what a laugh is exactly and it's actually a very very basic way of making a sound so when you start laughing what happens is the intercostal muscles in the diaphragm which I'm using right now to produce a very finely controlled flow of air out through my larynx that's how I how we all talk you instead of doing that yes these muscle starts to very large single contract. Sions and that just squeezes air out of you and you squeeze the air out under very high pressure so you start making sounds you wouldn't normally make but each one of those individuals ha ha ha sounds literally just being pushed from you you could be you could achieve the same end by jumping up and down on someone's rib cage this very very basic and that's probably why you know babies can do it from a very early age There's nothing complex to kill it sounds very similar to coughing it is extremely similar to coughing and also of course to crying weeping so it's a very basic very un complex way of making a sound and something we don't understand is if there is a competition between talking and breathing and laughing laughter will win it there's something about the can motor control of it that overwhelms everything else that's why you can tell if someone's talking they start laughing it's absolutely a miscible in their voice when do we think that this behavior 1st evolved. Throughout history humans have been very prone to think that we are the only animals that love nature thought only man left I think Aristotle the only man left but actually you find it in other animals it's very easily observed in other apes so gorillas and chimpanzees Tang's they laugh and it's very like human left it looks and sounds like human laughter but it's also been described in rats so it's possible that there is more laughter out there and I think at the moment is very fair to say no one's really looking for it but it would be very interesting to know about exactly how you can trace its appearance in the evolution of mammals because that does seem to be what it is it's a it's a mammalian behavior which is not something associated just in a straightforward way with humor because chimpanzees and rats aren't laughing at jokes they're laughing at interactions and they're laughing at things are being tickled so it seems to have a very emotional basic role for mammals and potentially there's a lot more of it out there is that why they called howler monkeys who were possibly know what about looking at our own species from an event what about the ubiquity of laughter do we all do it we do all do it so laughter is found you know in terms of the University of it left as being seems to be a basic human emotion we don't find cultures where people never laugh you find cultures where people laugh more laugh less there are cultures where public laughter can be quite impolite but people will still laugh in private and they'll still laugh in other situations so it seems to be as far as we can see a genuinely universal emotion though it can be socially quite variable how you know to any one extent within any one culture how appropriate it is to laugh from minute to minute basis now when you say that it's not just us there are these other mammals that laugh how do we know they're laughing and what do they lost that. The main thing that they seem to laugh at is very common with humans it's tickling is very common across animals that laugh that's what tickling is what gets rats laughing rantings laughing gorillas and humans but it's also play and all mammals play when they're infants it's a very important Malian behavior and pank scare who's done some very beautiful work on laughter he 1st noticed this sound actually when rats were playing with each other and he wondered if that was laughter insulted tickling the rest to see if it made the same sound but he says at its heart laughter is an invitation to play it's kind of putting the interaction into a playful unthreatening enjoyable basis and that's a very very useful way of managing interactions for animals and mammals are very often highly social so it matters to them one thing I would be clear is that we do need to distinguish humor from laughter because as far as we know all humans to one extent or another will show laughter laughter is a you know it's a very very common behavior although with the proviso it can go wrong in some psychiatric conditions maybe we can come back to that that's not the same as everybody having the same kind or use of humor and human there is really widely across even within a culture you know based on how old you are you find different stuff funny and even all sorts of other stuff influences that So what you find is that humor is incredibly variable and complex and plastic and then our behavior which is often laughter can actually be very very familiar So is there a sort of humor center in the brain which that can then activate or be activated by things like the tickling center so if I tickle you and you laugh and that would also elicit the same reactions if I tickle you with a joke and you laugh it seems not to you so what people have put people into scanners and they've tickled them. What they found is that tickling laughter is associated with increased activation hypothalamus is. It's quite an old party there's a tiny part of the involved in all moan release and in contrast if you scan people while they're listening to jokes what you Senshi get is the language system working away to help you understand what the jokes are so they do seem to be quite distinct you can that we've certainly got a whole mark of brain activation that seems to be associated with tickling and it's different from understanding a joke and how he got the joke 1st from Sean so for me. What's green and invisible I don't know what is green and invisible This Lettice. Absolutely the best for radio so far thank you very much for Sophie Scott from University College London no shortage of humor there see if robot can top that later on in the show so when do we actually start laughing Casper I didn't is a developmental psychologist at Goldsmiths University of London and he's been investigating baby laughter I gasped So why babies how have you been doing this research Well I you know the 1st thing I notice is that babies that seem to laugh a lot more than others and because they were doing it seemed an important thing to look into the starting point for doing it was just by asking parents so we did a big survey all around the world of the things that made their babies laugh in the situations and people have you found out what babies find funny Well it completely echoes what Sophie was just saying really the thing that makes babies laugh is people it's well to cling but it has to be tickling done by someone that is really trusted and close to you but then beyond that everything that makes a baby laugh is a social interaction of some cart. I said well the tickling thing it's funny isn't it because that's you laugh but when you're being tickled it's also kind of quite hellish you know so it is a strange link between the sort of laughing and also being in a bit of peril Yes And I think that's part of why it sort of it only works with someone that you you know very well is that there's a great bit in one of Darwin's books where he observes that little little children don't like being tickled by strange men with me. And yet you know they seem to find great when it's their parents doing it. And so what did you find was the most if I wanted to do stand up for babies what would the most funny thing I could do be so I wouldn't try getting a whole room of babies and trying to make them actually I've worked with some people fitter they say the best way to do that is to drop things babies like it when adults make mistakes but if you've got a one on one situation with a baby and you want to make it laugh my main advice is actually to take it as seriously as you possibly can really Chuen into the baby's own tempo and when they notice that you're actually really attending to them they're going to be delighted and you'll get big smiles and then once you spot the thing in the interaction that they really catches their eye then you'll get laughs I guess so when you're playing peekaboo or something with a baby and they're laughing why are they laughing at you what's the point from I guess an evolutionary point of view for a baby to laugh at you I guess there are 2 parts to it one is that they're just very happy they are enjoying themselves and it's it's it's an indication of that it's a measure of pleasure but it's also. A social signal to you so if you are saying an invitation to play it's an invitation to keep going with this in some ways you could think of laughter is the opposite of crying a baby a crying baby is telling you please stop this laughing baby is saying no no carry on this is delightful. I guess it's kind of a reward for you spending this time giving them attention but there are any other sort of discrepancies between what babies found funny in compared to sort of older children and adults so I mean I think you know not when it unexpectedly what babies find funny is the foundation of things that come later it's quite slow to build up and so. Jokes really don't start to be recognizably years jokes until to really quite late children for about 2 or 3 years old start to understand situations where you use the wrong words or look at the dog when you're pointing to a cat and that's not really a joke as yet but they find it funny because it's wrong and they recognize that it's wrong but it's only about 6 or 7 that they actually sort of really understand what the jokes are and are not just laughing because everybody else around the table is laughing and do you know when babies actually try and be funny back and make mommy and daddy laugh that is a lot earlier so that I mean typically I'd say it's around about a year old and what. Often happens I mean the classic mistake parents make baby clothes a big rasberry into their food parents laugh is find this Larry this baby realizes this is a way to make parents often and keeps repeating this action again and again and again so they've learned that oh I can make you laugh by doing this oh no see positive reinforcement by laughing that baby should always be getting everyone thanks very much I was cast there as human we're talking about the science of jokes and humor this week I'm going to share with you a joke George which I think ranks up there is my favorite all time joke it was in fact told to me by my biology school teacher and so here we go are you ready we can try this we can also try this on Casper and Sophie as well went into a shop the other day and I said Can I have a packet please of helicopter flavor crisps the shopkeeper said I'm really sorry we've only got plain. I don't like it I think I can certainly after. When I have some jokes for everyone here so what kind of a tree is noisy a ted. It's a sycamore. Club or what do you call an official that has a pavement and Maggi street and finally a woman is going to head around just Wiley's What do you call a chimp walrus. Obviously you call it a chimpanzee horse or you took on calling the place it was going to you feeling like you might like to enjoy life anytime soon. But you can blame actually our next guest because Dr Graham Ritchie from the University of Aberdeen actually wrote the computer program which wrote those jokes he studies artificial intelligence and he's been looking for a long time into finding a theory for humor why actually did you set out trying to make a joking robot we started this in the early ninety's and that stage artificial intelligence was trying to model virtually every aspect of human behavior except for some of the more emotional and creative facets of human life nobody had looked at humor or jokes and we figured that was a good way to to model human behavior and to understand what was going on so we started at what we thought was the shallow end with these very simple punning jokes the kind of things you've just been listening to. Because we thought there was. Had some structure to them we could see some simple patterns in them and that was just a 1st step along the road so we aren't really trying to model a sense of humor which is a much more subtle thing we're just trying to figure out what the shape of jokes here are and how we can write rules that will describe those jokes and we saw this as a one step on a very long road towards getting a better understanding of our jokes work they are actually quite clever in the sense that when you when you see them like what do you call an enemy image that's another one of your computers jokes a photo Turbo which I mean they are quite clever but they're not that funny what theories do we have of actually what makes something funny there's a bit of a lack on a theoretical side. People have been writing about humor for centuries and it seems on the face of it that we have quite a lot of theories of humor several But when you examine the very closely they're not what a natural scientist would call a theory they tend to be very broad opinions about things that go on in humor can you reverse the equation Graham and you got a computer program that would generate things like puns that have the potential to make us laugh didn't work on Sophie but you know we're working on that can you turn it around and feed something into your computer program and it would know I was joking because if I said certain things to you certain word orders or certain manner of speaking you'd know I was punning to you can your computer do that not at the moment and that's actually quite a difficult problem because they're the whole range of what you could in principle feedin is so vast that it's quite a challenging task to figure out whether it's a joke or not because there could be so many different ways to make edge or when you're generating. You can you're under there you have the data under control you're of experimenting with exactly the area of humor that you want to look at and that's all you're generating so you can narrow down the focus to a particular genre of humor when you're except again perfect then it's much more difficult you could it would be just an act of programming to write something which takes the jokes of the kind that are generate and recognizes exactly those kind of jokes and no other. We could do that but it would be very interesting because all we would be doing is just vast sing the the process and if you fed it anything other than exactly that kind of joke it would just say no even if it was a very funny joke of some other kind is pretty important isn't it because if we seek to use these sorts of systems in the future in engaging with people whether it's the a.t.m. Machine few getting money out or a telephone answer system or something people are human and they do have humor and humor is a very important part of our social interaction that's what Sophie was saying and if we don't have systems that are capable of understanding and modeling it then we're not going to enjoy the engagement with the models like you're creating. Well that starts true and a lot of people have argued that if we're going to have avatars on our computer systems and our foreigners or our tablets that interact with us in a very natural lifelike way they're going to have to have the equivalent of a sense of humor because they're going to have to pick up if the the user is being lighthearted or just making a journal they're going after recognize that and there's also an argument that says that maybe the the intelligent agent on the on the device should me be lighten up it's own interactions with the occasional joke but that's a bit more risky yes it is it could go wrong couldn't it thank you for joining us and telling us about your jerky robot that was grown Richie He's from the University of Aberdeen so while we still don't know exactly what makes some things funny than others do we know actually if laughter is a good thing type of yoga does rely on this very idea you force yourself to l.o.l. And then you get some of these benefits so earlier in the week the Naked Scientist team had a little outing to their 1st ever after yoga session I'm. I'm I was. Hired My name's Terry how it was and I teach after he left you can basically be boiled down to a series of funny exercises say think of improv of think act saying and feeling swear repetitive exercises that perhaps you don't find funny at 1st but you soon wail was. What the laughter is supposed to do it has to have an effects on the body so physically you're inhaling a lot more oxygen using more of your lung capacity so it's oxygenating the blood is helping you feel more energized and has a real positive effect on the body in terms of psychological benefits as well because the process of laughing helps which used to stress hormones in the body so it's helping you feel less conscious. This is more confident about yourself physically also the process of laughing the deep belly and the diaphragm Cyrix is sizing muscles internally especially your heart muscle as well and it is said. One minute of laughter is worth 10 minutes and they were a machine for your hearts so that's good news I'm late for me it was. Like that and the beef I quite like the bees I think I do that work if I was getting stressed. I love the bees really good as well when you hung like a bee and you close your is it was going to hold but I do feel a lot better when I started or maybe gone from a kind of a pretty low 4 out of 10 kind of a 7 so so that's something I'm definitely into practice when I get home and freak out my housemates. Zoe Harris then so whatever your sense of humor have a chuckle when you can thanks very much to all of our guest this week Sophie Scott Casper the men and Graeme Ritchie and that I'm afraid is all we have time for this week 5 Live Science is back though at the same time next week when we're going to shed some light on the technology that's taking the world by storm and that's the. If you'd like to get in touch in the meantime the e-mail address is 5 lies.

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