Steve Hanley's book he says the North was initially inspired by Mark's dislike of nori Saren art on the way back from playing that Mark said I don't like it round there is 2 flats I can't wait til we hit the north and a couple of days later we had the words to a new political anthem wrote Steve there that was hit the north by the fall of course so for the 1st hour today reflections are Marquis Smith undoubtedly one of the key figures in u.k. Independent music a true individual iconoclast maverick watts on the right words a genuine one off there was no one else like him ever so manu assembled bands that may groundbreaking and on forgettable music I'm a flawed character undoubtedly particularly in the way that he dealt with there is ever changing bandmates most of whom fell out with him at some point and in fact is a glimpse of his working practices he was on the show on Bank Holiday Monday the 6th of May 2013 I remember it vividly apart from him saying that he liked Wigan both of Paddy's and I remember vividly because it was a blazing hot day and we were of a grumpy about having to work on a Bank Holiday and on the lawn outside where all kinds of people sort of stretching out and having cocktails and enjoying a day off and through all these people in Bermuda shorts and you know in halter tops came a figure in a black gabardine raincoat tightly belted up and it was Marquis Smith with his carry a bag coming across the paths and and so this we talked about many things that day but there is a short clip from that interview. So to give you a glimpse of his practice within the band and the way he dealt with his fellow band John Gallant Seanie Texas chaos Mark what makes a great fall sat laced does he decide well in advance or does it just you know as it comes on the day that's interesting because Jim in York says I'm going to play in white lightning on Thursday night in your when when he signed it. About 2 or 3 hours before. The new usual sort of the band after almost ready to go yeah. The group sober I'm sober. I usually cross out. When City Hall goblins on the other side how I wrote elastic man bricks Mistah joins us hey breaks I mean this must be a day of mixed emotions but great sadness for you. So. I'm already in shock and. Really the 1st time right now going about it publicly ouch I'm trying to digest that I get it yeah really really just hearing that over the radio hour because. He yeah yeah I know do well but you're a what is your abiding memory of my of mark today obviously we talked a lot about the book I've never forgotten you describing when you moved into that flop with him and you know the the did the scene you out the out you know fridge in the milk was kept on the window sill and I've never forgotten that pitcher Well what's your abiding pitcher of today our name Mark Mark with that's a complex. You know and there's been so much that about him. The press by people who didn't really know him or only were showing one side of him but obviously you know he was my husband my 1st love my writing partner my mentor it like a so I know him deeply and you know people need to understand yes he is complex Yes he was different he created chaos he was a maverick he was a free thinker he you know when people say they people move you know they push the envelope was no envelope he created completely from the ether He was absolutely amazing but he was also a really a time super loving human being as a gentleman which you know it's something that's not often talked about what I can tell you that he was chivalrous and he was he was such a was a super great supporter of mine certainly in the early days and all my time in the fall and you know so so incredibly brilliant brilliant man he said you can think he said that you said created chaos and obviously everybody knows that some of the time he was props you know he was Dylan to you but you know it's not about some of the people in the band props might not feel they were treated that way but do you think that that was his natural personality or do you think as you say he created chaos to see what came out of that he was a was deliberately sort of self destructive of his own group to see what happened well yes I mean he he deliberately did he was this is this is one of the ways that he were to you know if things got too safe he take it up and pull the rug out from underneath everybody because in creating tell it caused us to work harder and find a different route to the same solution and by doing that new ideas were born from the ether you know and it forced actually as a group of workers to be better musicians to think on our feet to be able to cope with any circumstances and more import. Only he knew that that was the recipe to keep the Falls music fresh and alive evolving and different and that is why the fall music stood the test of time whether he knew what he was doing consciously or unconsciously I believe it was conscious. Although it wasn't always pleasant to be a part of the chaos when he or linger around you and you had to hold the ship you have to try and right the ship. But you know that that was a brilliant way of working in the way that you worked in a lot of people don't know this before every show he used to ask us to stand in a circle as a whole the whole like cold on treats other and then he would say Now we're take anticlockwise which is like literally manipulating the energy flow of the earth and you know shake it up you know before you went on stage was it was he always right I mean people talk about him always on the carrier bag was it was he proof it was the always scribbling on bits of paper yes he was always scribbling a bit to paper in our house there were steps that I do use lyrics in pieces cut up technique he also carried a carrier bag because it looked really discreet so he would a lot of times Nancy were in Europe and he has a carrier bag stuffed with thousands and thousands and thousands of pounds of money . Carried around and no one would ever like nick it off of work. So he really was a carrier bag man Yeah well listen it is so kind of you to come on the come on live with us today and everything and I suppose with the extra k.g. When you do some of those full songs I mean that is going to be an emotional thing even more so now isn't that you know I can't right now I can't even get my head around any of that. I just really trying to take in the fact that Mark is gone and I am like wavering through like an emotional ocean at the moment trying to kind of keep it together. So yes it will be emotional I'll get to that point eventually but right now. It's time I'm just so happy that you know in part life I just I don't think the fall with ever ever fully appreciated and it's sad to say but at the when as happening I think what people without be aware of it did the contribution to the to the art and if it knew that world that that man brought you know he really did that and I just think you know sadly in his passing now that flag is going to be raised in every one in of the year where the let's celebrate the fault Shelley Absolutely and I love tea breaks and send I love to Stephen Paul and all the guys running away and I think Mark can we say to everybody that contacted me on Twitter me and the band personally thank you so much for all of your loving sweet and condolences and best wishes and gave me so much honestly really so much to thank you thanks a lot breaks do you take care all right bye bye c say and thank you very much a break Smith there talking to those that lived that day and he said when Mark Smith came in he was talking about the a full album remit 2013 so from that So William write. From the 2013 now been remade and that's the fall with so William right and we joined now by claiming the Inspiral company take plenty sad news this isn't it yeah but these these days calling all that we've It was so I can use the blues in. Idols of the one by one but you say Idol is that is that is it would it be fair it's a cool marquee Smith and Idlib Yes when you think back to being a young man and thinking about forming a band was Mark e. Smith someone who was an inspirational figure Absolutely I mean I bite my idols musically that can be presently to be too simple isn't real then you know out on the pool you know so the pistols at the Electric Circus December night something say so cannot moment it was all about Clay and then I 1st saw the fall of I remember writing it was the last night of the Electric Circus which ability to ignite some 7 just immediately it was just do a punk with a just so on simple because I mean this book at it I think that the t. Shirts on the. Buy smart shows are just their press trousers and they did a little skip you saw dance that wasn't light and it didn't any of the points that you know I mean and also a little bit of the media and it did inspired me to. To be in a pound and I want to go on a very strong fall influence. What was it like to work with a lot of people who told me you know certainly Phil Jones who manages junk and is promoted gigs with the fall since 1979 he said that when he arranged to do something with Marc Marc had a real kind of Northern working class work ethic if he said be there at 9 he was there at 9 he said he was always totally reliable. Yeah very much so I was actually we did this when I was a defense cooperation with them on the I want you single which they didn't record in past 3 Liverpool so we had the actual recording session we did a couple of for shoots with the top of the Pops we got on top only appearance. On every occasion he was prone to of all. Things and he was predictable he was eccentric he was he could be horrible he could be beautiful we don't mean to show every side of him but I think you know Shelton see question in terms of what it's like to work with. Tragedy every moment that we got to spend with him creative I mean I did the Clinton experience we did a gig along the Nicholson did. The Stooges So one of the old dogs don't quote you on the proudest moment so I did work with him on several occasions but when in some time in the mid ninety's I got a call from him he left a message for and it was asking to join the fall if I've still got to have somewhere something along the lines of the clinic and I think the Fall need a new cable and I think you're the man for it so give me a call and we'll McAlpin you know so I don't know and I said. Just I'm doing this I'm doing that and I wasn't. Just in the fall. Because I. Love the fall of my or I wouldn't want to be in the fall I think. It could be done about fantasy not it was doing what we did the models are beautiful and the results were just. Incredible and you know. Sometimes artists. And you know well we're going to play out on you and there's a great record and it is a fantastic collaboration you know his vocals make this that Made In fact you know I don't know whether anyone listens to your version of it without him you know because he's. Made did you have to work very hard to get the vocals we sort of you know in the control room shouting on him down the top bought for hours on and then he was being irascible. What we did we didn't possibly want try to have a lot of produce it left the building because he said I'd go to work on the basis of a bayside ritual and. We lefties prize Michael Costello this beautiful by those words but ground is like a seat by a couple of the fall in it. We did it with Cliff the role of the engineer I would start to arrive at I think you got a look at let us say students at their country got a 6 to quit foot socks got to compress which to the little. Play that we set a goal that he just he just did a show quite right I want to slightly just not like to cross the studio audience just destroyed it. Differ by. What we did get it he really did it people she won't say can then we just did a bit of passing chops into position notes make the call and response so I think that we ended up with. Oh yeah it's all a cut to the sport if you know the madness of. Well good talking to claim and you know that's perfect the 1st thing you did was actually for 60 quid for the taxi that's part of. This so that you know he began with memories and Marcie Smith collaborated with the in spirals I want you. Right that's good real is glitter freeze from plastic beach featuring Marquis Smith obviously 1st out a program we're devoting to reflections memory stories about Mark and then there will sort of kick up the show again who will do the chain a new Gene Kelly from the Vaselines and various bands is going to be on with as well so where will they get back and sort of restart the show at 2 o'clock that. Crane is here hi Larry with Lisa in west No it has been all said my husband Matt how the lengthy down south 69 years ago with Mark e. Smith What a joke or nation Adam books than party pretty frenzied marquee was unstoppable we'll never forget it we love the fall when you actually Party experience of marquee Smith Yes and also young Owens one of the moment that's Christmas parties are there on a rehearsal studio and space is called 23 new Mt stay in Manchester and had lots of the I Can the quality C.D.'s Clinton with a smile and the Full of their night a marquee Smith was up singing Kylie Minogue Sasha bass a lucky guy Ok just gotta love that out of You've gotta love that yeah so obviously you know if anybody in a band in the north has at some point saw a Vienna leg heard the fall been affected by the fall been influenced by the fall been intrigued by Mark e. Smith and even talking to Tim Burgess I have indeed he's got some very fond memories and he places a lovely tribute hunter to tell him and I spoke to Melia about the 1st time they met in 99 she went for a switch. The album launch party of extricate which was the full new album and they had in upholding press which so ironic because it was kind of breaking and the only other person that I was mocking if. It was going away you know we were. Just. Talking Terminator and you know everything and it kind of said. From that point on I never really knew whether a joke you know and how you remember friendship in kind of memories was. Just an amazing way of me growing up. You know become an attorney you know so you know you know it's. For around and to have a drink. And take and. Yeah I remember doing a program doing a pro north on Radio 5 a marquis Smith coming in and they did this interview I think they'd just been signed to a new label and so a bloke he didn't know brought him in it was from that label. Who I knew from before Mark e. Smith did the interview and then I saw he says it was not long run and said Oh he works for the record company says Ryan I'm going to sting him for a few pounds. Around it now I had a very strange experience last night I know the strangest Marana because I was doing the folk show and picking the way we're doing a session and Nicholas from Stephan the band stick in the middle so no I think Mark e. Smith died so we had been hearing that he was not at all wells is not a shock so on my way out of 8 o'clock last night I came in this studio where Mark Riley was doing his program and said he had this he's in we're just trying to verify it you know and that monkey was with him of course it's some of the really memorable and landmark moments in the false history but you know like a lot of people in the fall had longstanding differences of color where he did and it is the reaction to the news last night that he can do about the time when he will teach it to the full cake Harris but I have to say that I met Mark e. Smith when I was 16 I want to see the fall they were all in for I think it was probably when counting the electric chairs and I went away and I made a fold t. Shirt and they often strikes me you know that if I made that t. Shirt I probably wouldn't be sat here now doing this because I went to the next Fall gig where in the t. Shirt marks or and asked me to become a roadie and then age 16 you know he taught me it really did teach me so much he taught and taught me a lot about life and he certainly taught me a load about music in the fall when my favorite band when I joined Juno and they were still my favorite bar when I got kicked out. That was talking to give the idea of. The end Mark show when there were when he just got the news yet and of course reactions of. Hiring and firing musicians throughout the full 66 musicians came on when there's a great guy and we had him on Dave Simpson Yeah he did a book about trying to track down everybody in the Falls. That's an interesting phrase but as much as you know I want to. Sound technician fording us. On the other side he hired somebody that space that letter through his door I do know he. Was a contradiction all the way through and I just think of him it was all about the music as well you know he had a relative success with. The album got top 10 in the ninety's and the cover of. My house which is top 40 but that was never the point of the foliage and I want us thing was all about you know his living. Creating if you know that the different influences those upscale influences that came to him that created the fantastic layers of the fold music and heaviest discussing them back in 1985 at the b.b.c. . In. Educated. I was right. I mean it is something you go to music when you go. To the music. Teachers. You know just just. You know. Talking about his own rights and techniques. Well those lyrics and the. Pic of them open in a carrier bag full of. Elizabeth. Documentary with mom and a lot of other people unlucky p.g. Stray of the 1980 s. Albums and that fantastic country pieces and 6 Music on something like listen to that as a test of the fall and it's on Sunday at 6 Music and on the website as well thanks very much Claire we'll catch up with Stuart leaves a massive found in the fall after another classic conspiracy. Coast. And. I think that's not overstating it. Is still Lehigh he still I mean did they did sod needs is now yeah I said to you when did you 1st when did your love affair with the fall begin Well you know like a lot of people when I was a teenager least innocence a job paid under the bed clothes at night and I remember it was sort of in between and in the road up to the heights and auction amp and they were playing lots of sessions where the 4 of evidence found it incredibly annoying to me as they thought it's repetitive droning and the man can't sing and the words don't make any sense I still hated it and gradually by attrition I became absolutely fascinated and I think it's cool that's my favorite group of altering because I think it's pretty in that way that you your initial reaction to it can be so strong and yet But you know there's something there and then it just once it's go you never let it go I was going to ask you what do you mean so it's interesting really because you see he said initially it repelled you. So that's even more interesting question the next period is that what made you stick with it was we couldn't escape if you listen to Joan pale I think you just simple clicked with the I mean to see a single really realized that it was sort of meant to be funny as well which I think was a very important part of the 4 which I hope doesn't get overlooked in all the. Analysis now is just or how Larry a 6 was you know I mean I'm there's lots of great little request snapshots of people I don't. Release with an absurd satirical economy and a. The enjoyment of the concept of the Group of an in a more than 4 decades of this could leave fluid thing front front and plan man who would pay it not to want to be that. Is just the you know and Fritz be it when consensus is entertainment is just so it was something funny and and and a lot of the fun of things for fun as well as being part of this sort of junk thing wait it kind of might you isn't even a foreman in London almost to punish you the gigs would be owning them when it is places like semi abandoned Irish social clubs up in Cricklewood what they really discusses in Croydon and you've got these places and you never knew which side of the line separating a transcendental show from the one that didn't click it was going to be and I will miss the adventure of being a thing for fun of being part of this sort of. Task you know the community of people you get sort tacitly not to have this sort of progressing loyalty to. I mean to say I'm not making comparisons but people who follow Dylan obviously one of the kind of things they do they go to concerts and try and work out what Dylan songs Dylan is playing do you think there's something in the fall in the way you know we do because we're so used to show business there's days where it runs like you know I just really listening cues I resigned you never knew what you were going to get it was sun exciting and predictable you know in my mind you know you know I didn't know I was going to have only one if I wasn't working and they had like 4 night running plays Otranto every noise and the difference between more noise in the next could be just standing room last year. Well you know before last year so for now it's in the running is links and and the time the different wanes up to different songs vastly different lens on different noise would be totally different and what Judy brought to the stage where there was playful whole style the way of and it never got to the end of it and whichever the album recorded version of a song was rather like Dylan that was just what happened you know that was that's how you can lay with fluid and can change and live to fight the for rock me is getting critical improvisatory elements but also this grinding crushing Kovar rising repetition at the same sign and will just all just missed the still had that thing like a kitchen when the new album out you know want. Would you would you sit down you've obviously still do the Larry King everything because another thing live you couldn't do I was saying not so reveal a lot of the time so did you actually try and decipher the words to get the little ball most out of it when you could I mean they were they were much more clear in the mid eighty's Well I think he sort of ran away from when he's These are so bloody You know when they were saying he was a great poet and a brilliant lyricist and I think then the best thing the thing he would do then he's shy away from that and in the last few albums he was rather brilliantly experiments you know I think with that kind of incoherence whether the voice was becoming like a ground or Bach and he was drawing these sort of textures in the b. Tiny little phrases still pop out on the last album The phrase that popped out was we worship the ultra filo pastry and some in amongst them which are. Asleep when I never saw him and then she paused the mystery of it was that the way little snatches would jump out at you and he wondered what it was all about and it was the best fall gig you ever saw do you think I saw 52 right right so it is a blur a bit but probably like everyone says the best album. It's the one thing if 1st and the 1st food giggle I saw that plate conspiracy answer thing but doesn't it come out point it was at the end if I'm fat which is a hippy festival in in Comal when when they brought a black cloud of sarcastic menace to go. And did. You know gone and smile in the Liza Long epic trikes breaks it just joins others this extra vocal quality they still have to drum and line up and it was all lit by flaming torches and it was just all never forget that it was a sort of live and where I mean I've written about it before about the I didn't realize score and how. Exciting culture could be you know and from that from that night I know a new things like that you know they set you on a course I mean if a lot of people have said this to a fan it's important to make lemonade for someone else about you but I would have a city different life without fully got me reading comically reading so much of Lovecraft on the mechanism listing to Cannes and the Velvet Underground and and they got me into well you know it's cool to chip in to the comedian opening for the moment never seen otherwise and he was warm a standup So I mean it and of Mays made and maintain friendships as a result of linking him and so you you know and it and it gives is of cycle to life you know when's when's the next Fall I'm coming on which we can see him and for those people that. In the hearts and I will replace the genuine life changing Yeah. I don't suppose so I think they think they probably mean lots of very specific sort of person I mean you know after Polito it was a general I think everyone knew he was and everyone had a position you know notion of his place in the culture that we with for I think it's a very intense thing for particular people and it's strange where you know he was on News Night but you know no one to 5 percent of the people watching it will never refer to them and yet the the impact they have on the nation at large them is just tremendous. Embraces Bush he said so inspired by his time working at the docks and written about an office party cruises Creek anyway by the full playoff until they can said please play cruiser create my dad who died argues the world's biggest fall fan probably hotly contested today isn't it Trevor McDonald said very sorry to hear the passing of Mark I would say as an accountant in a recording studio in Dublin the fall came in for a week to record how did the invoice to Mark and he smiled and says I ain't payin la. Dave in live houses my mate might was the spiritualized gig in Liverpool he was over the top as you could smoking venues in those days Markie Smith approached him for a light and said to him You look like Damon Albarn he does a bit my mate took his lighter out for the up to cigarette reply you look at my mates mome. Votes off laughing his head off and hide to Dave Mullen You said I met him at the poll wants absolute gent seriously for his the conversation me or at Mark how's it go and play off to Bucky Smith propping up the bar sound thanks mate going to get done Sc nice one where you play and no I'm a I'm going on the I am. Legend greatly missed says day.