I know you could be sitting with me now and we'll have a chat intimate. Course Johnson's won a majority in the commons so big that suddenly looks like he owns the place he can please himself and he asked Can we please the rest of us and for how they want to sound good on this pre-Christian see Sunday morning but how long before the promises start turning into excuses the chair with the Tory M.P.'s Grandy among grandees to Graham Brady to. Look forward to in the next hour and here with us through all of that is back political correspondent of The Guardian Heller Kate and I thank you for coming along and they bring back the political editor of The Sun on Sunday guys which you know Mark 8 Well I think in the last 24 hours or just you know bloodbath on social media particularly from met people in the Labor Party from m.p.c. Floss their seats from commentators and I just really felt that people needed to just get off Twitter just stop you know the hostility and the vice at any given Well exactly I mean it's just a bet to have it all out in public like this this continuing splits or bring back to the force of those arguments have existed within labor for the last few years basically between some groups of M.P.'s and commentators and activists and it's all Wally about how long Jeremy Coburn should stick around for shooting I mean. Should he have paid for flexion and exactly how long is shut that bay and what's it for you know he's the man sitting on your right shoulder to lend interest a 2nd a day was when you might I think I think Kate's right get off to a junior to Radio 5 Live. Make a cup it's a relax so we need to do 10 days to Christmas as a Christmas $41.00 shopping days to breakfast so we'll be watching what Boris Johnson does in the next few days we go in speech on Thursday will be able to focus on what he's going to do to try and cement his foretold in the in the labor heartlands of North would be very very interesting but. As Kate rightly says the focus is now switched massively on her labor because Labor needs to rebuild it's going be a long haul back to the top but there's a lot of work to do Q limitless community led Good morning good to see you didn't sit down hard to me Well you know obviously it was a devastating result is no doubt about that but David's right about one thing I don't often agree with them unless it's about Liverpool Football Club but it is going to be a long cold back and we do now have to kind of reflect on things using new leader and then move forward to why only your thoughts on all of these are commiserations and we'll just losing or losing dreadfully which of course Labor liberty must be a show you must have expected on polling night before that exit poll can flashing up on the screen you must be expected to be doing so much better yes I mean Labor's challenge of course was to break through Bracks Boris Johnson called the election on Bracks the media especially the right wing wing media wanted it to be about Bracks it Labor's challenge was to break through there and to talk about other issues and obviously we failed and we failed badly but you say it was all about break do you really think that's going to wash Len I mean this journey called in in in the Observer newspaper today saying the label won the argument you lost labor lost everything especially the argument and especially with working class a bitch will Labor voters people Labor policy exists to serve the only constituencies My biggest fear when fortunately came home to roost on Thursday night and not is that in our heartlands in the north and in Midlands in other places Labor fails to understand people's strength of feeling about breakfasts we voted for Bracks if we want Bracks is labor unfortunately was seen as a remain policy and we've seen. You seem you know you know and I know you know because I just know you know that it was about more than that and everything I heard from anyone who spends about what during this election in the labor side we're talking about divorce maybe in some cases smashed in their face but in others hearing that Jeremy Corbett he's not going to be my prime minister are people saying on labor I will not have that man and not just that when it came to the policies they were saying look it's not real it's just not real we don't think you're going to do it you lost every argument on every count absolutely disagree with that all of Labor's policy towards me that's what people were saying to me all the world all of Labor's policies were extremely popular the problem is that yes when they were put together there was a question of credulity could labor really deliver all of this and as regards Jeremy yet there's no doubt that it became an issue on the doorstep because of course for the last 4 years every single day has been attacked on Miss flee in a way that no politicians have by the media but Anita by the media of course by the Meteor I mean by some of the media you know the sun the Daily Mail and us Up Close which suggests that people can't think for themselves you go this is not a quite good Mauresmo if you're working on the bill on that John that's nonsense it's not about thinking for yourself it's about when every single day every single day there is vicious personal attacks and constant attacks on an individual eventually that seeks into the psyche of people I mean this is patronize it's people know it as if there's nothing that was going to is not seen patronize him 2 years ago Joel just over 2 years ago Jeremy Coburn took us within touching distance of power what is affectively happened is breakfast anybody who wants to look closely in an independent or not. Way will say that Labor Labor seats all the seats we lost I think with the exception of. 2 seats we're all leave seats because people you've done in the other city are you know up and down the clock as regards folks if you want to talk about Jeremy Coburn go and examine how many votes Cherubim coping go compared to at Miliband Gordon Brown one even Tony Blair literally right there maybe not of great value for that reason that I was an easy answer just referred to short time the other day and 1st person especially some of the dumb things you said already for Germany could not very labor after their money was a local m.p. But not on your life to one and while I clearly happened it's no use of running away from the clear journalist except just because he was a liability to labor What was the liability was Bracks the results a little bit was walking the journey it's the same thing they all they all linked together that leadership and Bracks it's all linked together and they both don't fully in our heartlands and then all metals it was something well fortunately I had been predicting inside the party that we're to take a close pull you reckon you reckon women German capital which will be a few weeks when we know of your bit of a wrangle to be had about precisely when but when he's Kerry if exaction itself will lift Labor's fortunes I think what will happen is there will be a new leader a fresh just one of the germy will be a good thing for labor it's not about a good thing for labor Jeremy Kovan has changed British politics forever he will go down in history as the man along with your Mark Donald who's changed British policy is to have a we will have a Labor party consistently now offering on all 10 assists at the daya austerity that the Tories have been paddling for years so the point is we will have a new leader we will have to regroup my message to the Labor Party members yes you'll be devastated this morning but remember why you joined the Labor Party. It is because we stand for fairness decency in justice. Is still needed right a question is was it's needed more than ever yes or no it's not this one put the question for you the let's call it a covert agent is not just a covert agenda is a socialist agenda that's been what it has been for a very long time before you marched nationalisation for example that must stay at 7 nights a revisit and hear that it's a radical alternate such to last to another John fer 1000000 of our kids go to school every morning hungry what's the prime minister and the Tories going to do about the 13000000 live below below the poverty line all manufacturing in the street desperately needs investments or public services housing the crisis we're stepping over people on our streets let's see what the prime ministers about that what Jeremy Coburn and John McDonald It was off an old senator and lay back in my opinion will continue to offer Daryl Synods of how many times did we hear private Soko been on the doorsteps they're all the same you can't distinguish between the parties they're all in it for themselves they're all the same you want hair then anymore because British politics has changed young people are engaging mention homelessness you mention schools and funding hospitals of the fun in your unfortunate people disagree with those things that exacerbate how you deal with of course it is about making certain that the rich to see a rich pay their taxes the corporate elites pay their taxes the same as ordinary working people people did it simple making certain that the wealth that we created on nations that where can people get a fair share of the rather than it being sucked away into the Cayman Islands and that's the big picture Ali wouldn't do it clearly enough people your point of view but the argument you could fund your massive raft of policies you describe them as a kind of incontinence a Martian policies from them by hitting a few billionaires over them on a budget so. Confederations it was one of the little yes it's not a few 1000000000 and and the independence Escobar G.'s tell us that the Treasury loses $40000000000.00 pounds a year through tax avoidance the only labor that ever to look about doing so also learned nothing so you think it's fair to say that my reading you correctly the really should label when Germany has gone you should stick to the hyperbole under under Jimmy cauldron of nationalizing the uterus you should stick to that but also stick to the present spending and tax policies that were in that great book of the manifest they stick to that says sadly stick to making certain that the corporate elites and the super rich pay their fair share of taxes remember corporation tax that Labor were offering would have raised $23000000000.00 pounds a year so now it's pretty straight not one on the tax I'm going with chance they would answer John John $23000000000.00 pounds a year and it would have been the same corporation tax levels that these these companies pay in the rest of Europe so yes $1.00 of the of course we made mistakes I said that in my article and the we had too many policies we should have Follow me a policy mistake we should have focused No no I'm not going to pick a specific you can't say that I can't means I join but given beyond zone I can say what I want to reality is that the reality is that we should have priority as priorities and constantly sits on specific issues and they're the type of things now we're going to have to reflect what might you be concentrating on that you'll be better off not your concentration we we will now reflect on those issues and starts to listen to what people are saying to us because sadly in our heart once and we shouldn't take anything for granted we can't take for granted that people are going to come back to Labor we did long enough in Scotland and look where that is we have to make so we listen and we make certain that we reflect and then continue to pull forward policies that ordinary Where can people. Needs to change their lives I'm sure from here you say you need to change anything apart from the leader who's off anyway I'm saying that we need to reflect but the policies of the socialist old Senate of a radical old Senate the are all popular we need some makes we can sing you're looking at me strangely if I have to say very popular sort of policy what a result if I have to say this a 1000 times I will to Breck's it was the reason for this defeat and I've been suggesting she that the evidence is absolutely contrary evidence is staring you in the face John every single seat that Labor Lost was a leave seat you must be spoken we're going real ground here in the space of 10 minutes but you respect people that it was that they would have been telling you that it was about more than bricks that they would be selling you the journey called members yes and yet you say there was a was just about Brother I'm saying the pope both of them are linked the reality is that when there is an issue like breakfast which Labor unfortunately didn't get its policy and its ideas the roots of people it's linked with the with the leadership so yes of course that was an issue on the doorstep and I'm not denying that well reflecting on where we are you'd be better off with a new leader like it or not you will be better off you say well we will be having Can you lead to John we will be having the lead but John Mark Donaldson and Jeremy Kovan should be proud of the fact that 4 years ago they changed British politics and it will never go back we'll always have a radical alternative in mind so many will be a suitable leader to carry on keeping the socialist torch flying let's just pick a couple names at random kissed Omma How different is your Leslie Well I think to be honest with you there are a number. You'd be happy with there are a number of good candidates and I think we'll wait to see who's putting their name forward I don't know of events or hear of putting their names forward. Little bit of a head I guess and I guess I made I use commas for example I think there's I think there's lots of names you could talk you'd rather bang your head against the red move or have their lines not true that pokes very very good politicians a lot there's lots of other names specky long Bailey hunch a little rain you know there's a whole host of individuals who will be considered Phillida if they want so you're sort of carrying the tradition you've been the skull I've only known I believe that the values of what Labor stands for yeah all the ones that we should continue with they're the ones that have made us the largest political party in Europe they're the ones that have attracted young people the future of our nation as young people they flocked to labor she was a socialist a pureblood social I want to radical all sensitive to the misery that has been caused for 10 years by a Tory government and I want to see what Boris Johnson now there is the great hair all of the working class to listen to what is he going to do about all of the ills that he's been part of for the last 10 years is brilliant trade and. Ok Fred well you can and said the practical I say am in part came about because if because it's what the members wanted and you had their process set and conference by the members passed nations that when suggesting a 2nd referendum public 5 is a good idea so Labor's all about listening to the members how do you square that how do you square with them what the members one on back say with what devices that was Jeremy Covance incredible dial m. 158 Labor M.P.'s who come from leave seats 100 Labor M.P.'s who come from remain seats the vast majority of Labor Party members who believe in remain and the vast majority of our working class folks who voted leave that was the terrible dilemma that Jeremy how to deal with and unfortunately the voice in the power of the remain vote the 2nd voters and it can't be dismissed as a 1000000 people on the streets etc was powerful enough to move fully back into the position that they were in remember just over 2 years ago we came within touching distance of power on the platform that we would respect the 2016 referendum and we would take the u.k. Out of the European Union now unfortunately we didn't bells on all humans and there were those of us who were saying yes we have to keep the party together we have to respond to our Labor Party members but you need to understand the consequences of this in all leave seats we are in serious trouble unless we can break through the argument that's Bracks it and she's somebody some hurt labor at the symbolism and the perception that Labor was tolerating or harboring and she and she shall March and that was not to put it mildly that was not handled well by the Labor leadership by Jeremy Coburn and those around him I don't agree with that I mean we really. Would you describe as a problem or no no it's clearly a problem the bar I don't agree with you saying that it wasn't handled well by Jeremy coop and Jeremy Kovan initially asked Shami Chakrabarti someone who is highly respected to produce a report which he did unfortunately the the general secretary of the Labor Party at the time didn't implement that report we have to wait for Jenny Formby to be put into place there's all kinds of things that are Jewish there is rich as you were previously Labor supporters turn their backs you know they're all in an enormous number and that's and that's deeply regrettable and we have to win their trust back because let me say this the idea that the Labor Party is institutionally anti sematic is absolutely not true but we do have to she disagrees with that and I disagree with the Chief Rabbi So there we go we have to kick Alex every Semite that there is in the Labor Party are force against it all my life to blame Jeremy Coburn for that was just deeply deeply unfair this man has fought against anti semitism all these like but yes it was an issue and it played into the media remnants that Jeremy wasn't a strong leader which undoubtedly got through into some people's minds of everything yeah I agree with so a lot of what you say about the game it's just twice today. It's quiet and usual and what you say it was an issue there was no clear message and people were confused and people want to Bracks that voted for it 3 times now in elections and I think that's that was a big problem and also the leadership yes I'm that was partly connected with Bracks it people didn't like Jeremy Corbyn they had too much baggage they felt but so that was a toxic mix to the you're right but I think there's a 3rd ingredients and that was the the heavy left wing policies you know these have been a Jew rejecting over a generation several times 983 Michael forth the longest sewage. Side note in history Neil Kinnock tried slightly softer left but still left wing policies twice and Ed Miliband is recently is 2015 and they've been rejected what makes you think moving further to the left will attract more voters when it clearly doesn't Well David you know you don't surprise me that the song disagrees with a radical old senate other fellow likely Lotusphere So what we what we have by saying that the policies that Labor forward. Nor acceptable what your arguing for is the status quo I've already sent 4000000 of our young kids going to school hungry every day you proud of that because I suspect soon readers on proud of it a teacher's happened to back the. Contributions to buy pencils and pants this is this is 21st century Britain the 5th richest nation in the world which has been appallingly handled by a Tory government to tend to austerity that is had people Labor had support forward and all sense of it almost took us to power in 2017 we lost this one because of Bracks and we'll have to live in the lessons and 5 years from now we'll have to build on the popularity listening to all parts of our party with the fantastic membership We've got my message to them is stay with Labor the war of values that we stand for a desperately needed now more than ever finally you know where they are just on that last point just for the sake of clarity of the images are reasonably clear it should be just for the sake of clarity for pretty for the sake of argument your pitch in this election was heavily heavily defeated the elections are won it is set from the sensor ground of politics not from the the left your answer to that well the You'd have to tell me where the sensor grounds and there was a laugh was all of Labor's policy taken in isolation are very popular we lost this election because of Breck's us and we are. Didn't understand because generally we didn't understand and realize the impact it would have within our heartlands we've got to start listening a lot better than we did the McCaskey good to you thanks for coming along to say hi to Allie McGovern I was McGovern labor m.p. For Will south the chair of progress which which meant I think it was considered something of a Blairite organization that if it quite that way the morning Ali. Definitely. As much. As Blair or anything else your reactions were let me say. Well. I think for all of us it's devastating. I hear what Len says about Praxair but the truth is we lost everywhere you know we we lost support everywhere and there's no doubt that there's no doubt that our Bracks it position took a long time to come to it looked like people weren't really sure what we believed and what we really felt we weren't clear about the wider offer. Well I think that was I think 3 problems in the election I think that the timing handed bars Johnson a massive opportunity and we never should have done that I think organizationally we weren't good enough I think there were lots of problems with the way that we operated the election which were wrong and we need to learn from but I'm not going to watch a little even the recent past Ali should Jeremy Coburn go now. Well Jeremy said he's going to go you know I don't think I need to add further to what everybody else has said about we need to change but the thing is just my final point is on the manifesto I think it was Len He said you know in the aftermath of the election result that we had this incoherent massive policies we had massive promises and I think we underestimated how high the bar of credibility is for us and we needed really we needed to spend to you know make manifest for us all this labor pitch as a as a failure would examined in. I think that the way that it was put together was definitely a failure you know this is not just the methodology of putting it together you saw the offer of the plan the policies were a loser. I there there are there are policies in there that I've fought for you know the need to and food banks and how you do that is something that I campaigned massively all everybody else thoughtful but also willing willing the means not just wanting the outcome but winning the means but when you have when you want to make a big argument for big radical change need to spend time and effort bringing the public with you and some of the things you know the waspy commitment which loads of us have campaigned on for such a big spending commitment to be dropped in at the last minute with no way enough information about how we would deliver that I think that was a massive list only this sorry this what have you learned since the days of charity Blair. What I learned since the days of table as you changed my mind I was aged I was tenacious Blair and Brown Well John I was I was a teenager when Tony Blair was elected so I really hope I have learnt quite a lot of stood for election for for 4 years of your Blairite Brown on whether or not you were there the immediate vicinity since the era of Labor politics what do you think has been next it's been necessary to change and rethink Well I think the politics is far too concentrated in one particular place in Westminster and Whitehall I think that we know that in a lot of towns particularly those places that used to be at the heart of manufacturing I think that the voices of those people were ignored for far too long I think Labor did great things in government and it was huge amounts of regeneration as voices saying that it. That they'd like a High Street that isn't in a state of dereliction place that people would like to feel a sense of pride about the work they do and not be left on the scrapheap working in a warehouse where you're treated like a robot I think people want proper careers and they want to feel a sense of self-respect and pride about what they do and you know when you've got a politics that's almost entirely run from Westminster and white hole then you're going to miss those there's the what is leader. Did I know I did I want to hear what people got to say to me for me the test is about who can change the Labor Party and crucially who can win because I am sick of losing. The consequences of losing this election on mass it's about more the personalities that it's about that it's about the the tradition of the future of labor in the vision of the person who's chosen we know some of them likely run a certain run it's just almost going to be that we know that this discussion of Rebecca long but I'm not sure that's she is actually going to be that this precise moment and under the reign of like was a specially made friends of the deputy leadership Mobley's all names that are being discussed Yvette Cooper is being discussed Lisa ninety's being discussed just Phillips is being discussed which of those names on appeal to you more perhaps than the other almost just you cast your vote now just to help us with your thinking. So for me it's about the future it's about who can take on the challenges I just mentioned also in a world where we have to face devastating climate change will need radical change for our economy you've mentioned a bunch of really really good politicians here I think if they want to make the case here Yeah well let me let me just say some things I think I would ask myself why wouldn't the Stans the reasons why we lost and I think you know some of the questions about where politics is based in this country makes me think that we need somebody who understands parts of the country not the kind of london area I think that moves out here and. I think that it's not ruling out anybody but saying that they've got to understand them or their you see them and you can understand and still be in north west London or. Yeah I think so you can understand and still be from London you know just like you can understand London and not be from that but I think people are really hurting and what I want to see is empathy and listening from all of my colleagues and especially those who are actually more than just the Rebbe Peter Mandelson gave you your party the red rose just to just to swap it for a red eye for something you know I know we can't just have a new Labor party app and fix it that unfortunately that won't work I think we need a good pair of listening and trying to understand to you know loads of people in the Labor Party spent a lot of time listening to the voters and hearing what I had to say over the past weeks I think it's time we reflect on that and work out what to get rid of me when I was in the government over to see listen be happy about the state of your your beloved Liverpool Football Club I'm surrounded by Reds fans this morning in the studio and on the last minute or yeah you feel very lucky too which is a much more coming up politics it's 933 on digital b.b.c. 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For West and chair of the committee says the that the chair of Tuireann piece. And I'm going to me if I can I I was asking were you surprised by that result. Everybody was surprised by the result I thought we were going to win we won with bigger majority than I thought it was like they won in some places that we haven't won for a very very long time so they're surprised and excited yeah because now you've got you know boys don't snap safe when you see 4 for 5 years you know that assuming he's going to go that distance Monken at this stage that he that he would begin she's still on the agenda and they're not going to be easy Graeme they always thought of the one that we probably finished talking to last time we spoke on the show breaks it's a little talking to be done in a nutshell Graeme if we don't take longer to get the the deal the all important deal with the European Union then obviously you hope you will and others might hope it will would be Ok just taking a bit longer to get it right. Well I think one of the things which we see you know over the last couple of years is the negotiations or the years of constantly being undermined whether people like Paul of Ontarians hope it's a media seeking to suggest things simply calm down not looking at what the optimistic positive outcome of this is a good win on both sides Graeme is the winner is that again precisely I think the good will is the outline of the future arrangements is there in the political declaration that. Tariff requests the free trading environment obviously we want that to be as broad as possible including services in the best possible trading arrangement services Well yeah but with goodwill on both sides I believe that it can be done in 11 months and I know in Australia there are a few years ago that free trade agreements with a fight with s 3 biggest trading partners Japan Korea and China I think all within 11 months needed on a scale way you need of course aim for a Need It was a clever one we didn't know didn't know these things. And who knows maybe it could conceivably happen inside the in my point was it would it be the end of the world if you had to extend to get it done for the sake of the prize would be the end of the well well I want to talk up the possibility of things not happening in the next month I want to talk about the prophecy of it being done and done the surprisingly quickly and surprisingly good outcome. Fundamentally believes that this is possible in the interests of a so I think we've seen the frustration on the side at the way that recently is present publications of British the British Parliament surveyed incapable of pointing in one direction and being positive about the future now we are in a position to do that we've had that welcome from the e.u. Side already I think they've got an appetite for us to get on with it but if you want to move it actually in the end will be possible we will be going to the ground one thing by Johnson is saying now in the wake of that result so say much of the north in the middle and former Labor surgery turn blue these blue coat pocket of conservatives are that with the hopes and expectations and promises what do you think Bush wants and can and should and will do for the north in the Midlands to keep those new blue Tories happy what can the government actually do well I think a huge amount of this was already in train in terms of some of say. Policies are already in place the increase in police officer numbers they very big funding increase for the n.h.s. The increases in school funding as well so those are all positive things but also speaking from the northwest in the way my constituency is we have being very clear in our commitment to an old impasse rial to the continuing infrastructure infrastructure improvements that are essential to get the economy of the north so I mean I'm really looking for specific a much better Brylin between east and west across the across the pond that well I think I base that he's Westling which is. I think very important if you think there's major cities across the whole 2nd that will have a key. Effect and homeless in the potential of those cities but it's also we've seen those cities and within the reach of making sure there's proper Multan connectivity for people trying to get from small towns to the cities and various cities it was houses it within the power of the new jumps in government to change the lives and if they transform their lives but change the lives of people in these northern middles regions to the point I think yes finally we're being paid attention to finally and needs are being being looked after Can that happen in the space of a parliament Well you know I think the North has had a lot of attention over the last few years on the conservative governments and the whole concept of the whole and I was giving credit to my former neighbor George Osborne full so that it's something that really has a key commitment but I think a lot money than business rate reform to bring these dying high streets in the regions the we're talking about back on I think and you know here I am an ocean which is one of the most exciting high streets that you'll find in the country has been entirely regenerated I have to say started and mostly implements it under a conserved Council before traffic went to. The North everywhere acking do the same things that ultra high streets down but it is absolutely possible to regenerate those high streets there is a commitment to funding as being put in place all over put in place was there in the manifesto but also you know I think one of the things that is really important is that we simply open up and recognise that you know we have a an optimistic future and I you know I think investment has been helped back people have been starting to find because nobody knew where the country was going and nothing ever seems to be resolved we've had businesses that have been not investing in the King of redundancies all of that can now. And we can move on from the only thing David not even a case in a grand but just a just in a would you happy that Bush runs with this majority denounce how some of the the people blood pressure to some of the right of the party to get back in the box. I think we've seen over the last few months and indeed I saw an interview on the television the other day with France Well he's one of the leading members I think you're saying actually quite say pragmatic approach people recognizing that it's more important to keep the get than the fact. You know I think things are going to be a difficult thing to achieve we have a prime minister who wants to achieve it wants to smoothly wants to do it in a realistic sensible timetable and you know I think people across that also and across the country are going to be pleased to see the outcome of Graeme going to be talking soon again I hope it's just finish up with a chat amongst ourselves also 2 of the new faces in the House House of Commons it was good to meet those early on. Anderson is the newly elected Labor m.p. For Pani I like kind of lovely to see the labor only grain that put you in a pretty distinctive category takes it from just being green and then a Davison is the new conservative m.p. For Bush a book on the 1st time a Tory has ever held that seat it's been read since 1935 Vienna had good morning. Good morning so it will be both of you in a well what are you feeling right now from what are your feelings on the brink of this new book. This is never the plan that I was going to be the only light again some really disappointed and heartbreaking really to be the any one to be getting in that's not what I am very much and that's one obviously really really sad to be anyone Ok what about you. Incredibly incredibly excited this is just such an incredible opportunity to get parliament to be a few really strong voice for the northeast in a way that I don't buy concert tickets for it's what it was into this but it was just happen in the last few few moments come on foot Of course the Labor m.p. Who was shown the door by voters in the Dome Valley she was trying to brag but didn't didn't cut much ice she was too great a conversation with the of the shadow foreign secretary Emily Thomery on Sky News to get to safety richest a listen to this you know kissed on the lead us to a policy that did not listen to lay believe voices who just caution. He led us down the path of a 2nd referendum and I'm afraid Emily Thore did as well she said to one of my colleagues and I'm glad my constituents are stupid as yours. I'm sorry it's so acceptable reason to believe what I haven't asserted would be just to tell influence that they want she suggests that Emily Thornberry who was of course remain and would have campaigned for remain in a referendum because they went to be taught she told Helen Flint Emily Thornberry that the voters were stupid as well as stupid as hers for that's it's terrible to say just stupid of but it's far more than praxis this election and the results of it what about what about what just a few thoughts on that and when I heard that and I just said it out loud on ad effort for the 1st time but if that's not accounted to be believed when you make really thought recording votes is stupid oh I don't I don't know the whole context of that but obviously as I just said you can call his stupid and get away with that and I definitely haven't been in my campaign has been people cowed campaign of listening and that's Holby as an m.p. As well listen to residents and respond to what they're saying and obviously I need to listen to management far wider than just party as well as being a little London bubble as it were and we've come away. We had a fantastic campaign it was all going in opposite direction but you can have a version that you're going to voice and I know now just on this little this little sob sob sob story is not the end of Emily from Brazil ambitions as Labor leader calling leave Labor voters stupid leverage is. That. Something Ok for your political judgement what do you think I mean I think if that's true and that's a really pulling thing Emily to embrace to have said and just how much of a blood was huge I mean it's just solidifies the idea that you know the Labor Party is about it's a London based elate the Metropolitan out of touch with its voters the whole point if this is that working class folks to people on low incomes have drifted away from labor then you have a comment like that that leave is stupid and I just think if that if you want to inflate I think this is a significant playtest chance if there were a cost of Emily tweeted that picture of. A council house with England flags flying outside your European championship tournament and with a sneering comment I thought she'd learnt a lesson from that well Ok well as could of course help a brazen attack in the last few moments it's a bit of a bit of an eye popping developmentally same political space in the wider space of this country and its future Diana there you are in Bishop Auckland a conservative m.p. One extraordinary thing to happen but now you've got a job to do with the Member for that area so what is your mission on behalf of Bishop opened you know dealings with burst functions in government if your area is neglected and it's a pretty easy case to make that you area has in many ways been neglected what is proper treatment for your area look like. I think proper treatment starts with really listening to the priorities of local residents so you know what is less not will be interesting what you think should actually be done and what you're going for locally might my key figure is like a house cat because Scott as well as been so spoken about on the doorstep for the past year with these our local health care provision is not good enough so I'm already lobbying at Hancock to try and bring back our actions 97 hospital knowing it's not going to be an easy task knowing with political will with public opinion on our fight and if we can get the money in place it's absolutely Gable So that's number one priority and the 2nd something that us discussing earlier with Graeme Grady is leveling up a high street and I'm lucky to have full high streets in my constituency 2 of which sort of get barely 2 of which really need some serious help I'm so I'm really looking forward to seeing what's going to come in the Queen's speech to help level up those high States liquor assistance that was new before Bishop of the district with us then a flood from your perspective your new labor m.p. And there you are in Putney which hasn't got the most famous cases of poverty and deprivation in that I don't know that even partly there are problems but it's a pretty well Hill but it's after area do you think that London in the Southeast have had just too rich a slice of the cake maybe for too long is that your vision you'd be surprised the ponies are very diverse constituency on I can see that I can see down you know what I'm up in the air at Roehampton and that's an area that has felt very neglected as plainly the rest of the country has in many ways and we will be working very hard to take up the issues of residency Roehampton obviously Rex It was a big issue for us in Putney and the effect it's really all 3 ongoing negotiations will need them for the particular case just of just a focused on this down a little bit you look at the the Treasury figures from some of the ones they say that in 20809903 pounds was spent in the capital for every resident while in the us it's you know it is a big place but then we had 370. 6 pounds on transport spending $200.00 times more . What you make of that I think that should be more fair distribution of us country as well but we also can't look away from the fact that one in 3 children in Putney all in poverty 40 percent overcrowding of houses in some areas your only problem is London in the Southeast a bit too I think it means you need to be a fed more fair distribution and it also doesn't help the housing situation that so many people need to May have to London to get to get jobs that should be more fairly distributed across the country but also we need to look at those for local people they voted for Labor and came out many many people for the 1st time to vote this time they were inspired by Labour's manifesto but we've got to look at funding for schools and action on adult social care came up a lot on the doorstep as well also the environment we can't have 5 more years of inaction by the conservatives on the environment we just can't wait and we'll be opposing Heathrow expansion as near oh let's go you will get both of your thoughts we're counting on your on your leaders the different different leadership questions if you can both your party's going to start with you floor for later what leader you see in the lineup we all know the card a lot of it's going to be it's not fun little difference here but who do you fancy I absolutely don't know I haven't met many of them yet they really like general idea it's like it's like also the person coming in on the 1st day of school to vote for their head to go over something I really want to meet them and they'll be lots of factors and I'm not going to say which factor it is there are lots of factors in play some games what would you say what would you say what you want to see because I want to see what they're going to say 1st I want to talk to them and sit down with them and talk to them all. Day on other let's talk about your leadership question 1st Johnson is your leader Lord of all he surveyed say you are you as happy as you could possibly be with Boris Johnson as your leader I am I think he is really a great the right man for the job yeah I mean you know people said that he would never be able to renegotiate a Briggs deal that would call him and he's done a lot against the odds he's going to get Briggs it done by January that's a 1st but also much more. Not the vision that he selling is totally intruded why I became a conservative so visions in Indiana. It's easier to sell a vision and it is right after becoming It reaffirms the new prime minister and as I say a lot of recent research as he says he was going to reach out to areas like yours and unproven earn the trust of the former Labor voters in areas like Bishop Oconee then voted Conservative and voted for you clearly he hasn't done that yet these are your trust in him that somehow putting off that trick is absolutely not going to prove yourself. And no I honestly do you 100 percent believe in his vision because having a vision that we need to spread opportunity evenly across this country means that every policy that comes out now is going at it so I am 100 percent behind it leveling up areas in the northeast like Bishop work and making sure my residents have the best possible life in the future yeah whatever you say that they want to come into Yeah we talked a lot I did there and we talked a lot about. The Labor Party needing to change after his defeat but with yourselves winning all those northern seats and form a Labor stronghold do you think that the Conservative Party needs to change or will it be forced to change will evolve because of what's happened or do you think do you think the need to be a sea change in the way in your policies and your outlook I think that there will be a natural evolution given some of that really diverse range of candidates that have actually gone on to become M.P.'s and not and if not maybe through lots of what they are and I think I think basically we now have more people from what I call normal backcross more working class background you are going to have a very different outlook on life so having this a blue collar conservative movement within the party to really prioritize those those kind of key areas that will working class read bring in a party like now. Real world experience and a whole range of ways you know that I'm not just saying that people from backgrounds like mine have not real world experience but the point is dying because we live in an incredibly diverse country so making sure we have a real range of backgrounds a real range of views in parliament is incredibly important you know we begin to be in there in a couple days and I'm now you feeling about that you feel excited that would be natural you feel a little bit a bit of a feeling of trepidation How you feeling right now I am really looking forward to I'm really looking forward to standing up for those things I've been talking about on the campaign trail for a long time now and standing up for residents and making and trying to make those change which will be much harder now that we're not going to be in government but I'm very thankful to getting in there and making a difference and holding Boris Johnson to account for all these things he's been saying along the way because I don't think there is a trust there in the Conservatives I think people have given him their vote but it's very much a wait and see and I want to be making sure that we have a firm voice and see if those promises about the n.h.s. And cry and more police and the new money will be delivered an awful lot to prove as well as that it hasn't been able to prey on looking for to be part of that debate as well you know when you don't know what are you looking for what your days in the House on those green benches are you excited about it you're a little bit nervous about it was a feel I think it's probably natural to be a bit apprehensive in the sense it's kind of like 1st day at school. Realistically it is such an incredible opportunity and I'm so humbled that residents of Bishop will combine a council so many more children have given me their faith give me the actress and given me this opportunity to really shake our community I should say there are just tell us how old you are I'm 2626 your baby. So you say say they say you know there's a lot of life experience behind us about motion space you basically look the to me look to see you thanks for coming thanks very much for coming in trying to talk again before the 41 we really got half a minute left guys but this week it's going to be big it's a feeling of a long after the storm but it's so much going on his neck and yes he's you know you've got the Queen's speech coming up and really want to hey what some of us try and keep up very fragile and that's been one of the no. There's going to be see you guys back here again with a little different stuff to talk about. Thank you Jon I'm more and coming up but under Levon I have Snow Patrol under the spotlight we'll be talking to the legend Gareth Thomas as he nears the end of his amazing sports believe challenge comedian Reese James will be here to talk about his new series live music by Navan and we'll look back at the last 7 days in the news feed and water 7 days and it's been. 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