Smith thank you Richard Moscow says it's an honor to become the permanent c.e.o. Of the Premier League following a bite of the 20 clubs he's been acting as the interim boss for the last year and he's a full person to be offered the role it comes just 2 weeks after David pencil was forced to resign before starting that followed newspaper allegations about his private life interim also boss Freddie ember can escape the questions but he says he's yet to hold talks with the club over the full time managerial vacancy there in your I play action in a couple of hours they need to win or draw against under the age or Frankfurt loss to progress Manchester United wolves and Celtic are all 3 Rangers can also progress to the knockout stages with a win over young boys that's a boss Brendan Rodgers has ruled out selling any players in January he says it's clear they've got something good going on at the club with a 2nd in the Premier League and Elop double Olympic champion Kelly Holmes says there will always be a cloud around me far as achievements due to his past links with disgraced coach Alberto Salazar far as always maintained he's a clean athletes. 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Sounds as part of your drive for it so let's see good afternoon everybody welcome to drive it is Election Day of course so off commercials mean we can't talk about politics till 7 o'clock tonight so our main story today on drive focuses on football for. Announces it's more than 3 months since Barry f.c. Were expelled from the Football League leaving a gaping hole in the community. And blog football's a lesson for the practice for the players. On. The flow on from Spencer again. And. Most people that are using closer to his plan. That's Michael the mighty McLean on the day that the English Football League expelled Barry over their longstanding financial problems he's been a fan for 65 years cause many are just think of it the way cannot challenge to Spurs to watch Burnley and it just occurred to me on the train down that Barry fans won't be doing that so we were all there on the day that will move away and that is a club that's a can a community a whole bunch of fans who've lost the one thing that they really love one of the pivotal moments in the whole Barry story which brings us to where we are today because in a moment we're going to focus on the championship and worries that that division is on the point of financial implosion one of the one of the focal points on the debate about Barry was when I interviewed the owner of the time Steve Dale here in the studio and he admitted that he didn't even know Barry had a football could just just have a listen to that moment again you're not a sports fan you kind of freedom it at that have you been surprised by the passions involved as this is just not one of the normal businesses you'd run as it is now. Yeah I think it's fantastic that they are passionate but what they need to the wrist Sempra and not be sure and not shoulder. Bar disgraceful behavior when the full of and discredit the club and I never once a better. Place I frequent So you know for me to awkward from Barry and never go back it is a very easy thing to because I don't do anything don't but I'm not I won't didn't even know there was a football team called back to be honest with I'm not a football fan and it was that interview that elevated a beyond just a story about Barry f.c. Got millions of views on social media and fans began to debate the ownership of the clubs and and at the time they seem to reflect that that well it's it's a little league want to shoe a league to rise much higher up the pyramid but that's not the case Have a listen to what's coming but when Barry were expelled from the Football League 5 librettist spoke to the interim chair of English football at the time Debbie Jevons who said that whilst the finances were being looked at they will confident that he is a sustainable league discussions have been heard that the club's about the way to run either through the champion traditions wants to stand ability in the Championship but those discussions are going that well everybody wants to stay a little league no plan is it it's not sustainable the way it's being run now because you have people like this coming in buying clubs for a pound and Barry in a situation is sincerely it's an indefensible position isn't it it's not sustainable the way it's being run I don't know I don't dispute that when you look at trust the matches are taking place every week successive that the 18000000 people that go through they skate every year it is a successful what we have here is an individual case the person came in he was eligible and so the onus and directors test is applied to everybody at that time but I have said yes of course we will sit sit back and look at it which is. Government should continue to work with the league but it is a sustainable e that's the view of the way you have to ask yourself what what's the driver here between these owners and fans as well who get carried away it's an attempt to reach the Premier League is not to get a $125000000.00 pounds a year or so after that interview we decided to take a closer look at the finances at the top level of the that's the championship the league clubs are just one promotion away from those hundreds of 1000000 pounds on offer in the Premier League what we found is that the finances of Championship clubs are in a worrying state working with accountants Deloitte and sport finance experts visible to examine the most recent accounts of clubs in the Championship we found the Cubs are making huge financial losses more than half the clubs in the league spending more on wages than the bringing in in revenue when we took our findings to David Sharp he was chairman of Wigan Athletic until the family sold the club cause former Premier League side now in the championship he told me what he made of what's happening with the finances in the Championship we sold for one reason only because we didn't see an improvement and held all the finance we're going it was it was going worse and it still still quite a scary prospect watching on from afar know what is it about this league that seems to make owners take financial risks that they probably wouldn't in other areas of their lives we spoke to some fans who say they say it's now a league of gamblers Yeah definitely and it gambling is the word that gets used I mean it's even worse than that because if I go to the casino in the roulette table and you've got a 5050 chance of young white or black with a Football League it's it's much worse because you you've really got a 4 percent 5 percent chance of getting to family. When you competing with $23.00 of the teams in the Championship and it is a lottery you hoping every year you might get close and you might gather and if you don't you have to pump in 1520000000. Yeah from from your own pocket not many not only people I do not know many people can afford to do but I think if you know a billionaire you struggle to afford it we know from our history at Wigan we were putting in nearly a 1000000 pounds a month and my family my grand just just to keep it going in the us that's what I think we have the full flow assuaged win the championship so. It's quite a frightening prospect we've already seen Barry disappear from the f.l. Do you think a championship team might follow suit I would be surprised I think Barry in my opinion what chasing the dream of the Championship and life wise they'll be they'll be Championship clubs chasing that permanent dream and when it doesn't come off and when when the gamble doesn't pay off some Somebody has got to be so of accountable and has the has to fit the bill and if you can't afford it to move the club ends up an administration one of the huge Deila Ms underlying all this is that the 1st people to to winch when things go wrong and I've done it myself so I can say that affirms who same lie may have reversed our club but actually where money is being spent on new signings and everything is rosy in the Premier League's within the reach of the playoffs fans are the ones driving it as well it's that that's an issue too isn't it I think the Premier League make everything hell to make it makes football fans see it seen that there's loads of money floating about in the game and everything is rosy and and they see the superstars in the public pay paid for genius and then the reality is side of us there's a lot of great football clubs with huge following and a great community that are lying on one individual or one company to keep up football club going and if it never person loses interest of a company loses interest. It leaves hundreds of thousands of football fans the process of losing their football club and it's just no way to. To run a football club or a business and how it will be sold this isn't the only way to be sold this controlling wages. Because that's where that's where 9590 percent of your cost is it in terms of wages they profit in sustainability rules were brought in 201620172 try and counter all this but the growth in losses on the growth in wage spending has gone on so all they fit for purpose to do thing they're not working well obviously obviously out obviously not. The effort pay can lose you can lose 59000000 over 3 years and then jumping ship is clearly not stopping clubs and Birmingham got a 9 point deduction last season it's a slap on the wrist and tens of yeah you get a point you get a point adoption it didn't affect their season they didn't go down a thing or. I worry more about the bigger picture in terms of what a club does go into administration and and does face the prospect of going totally all business oh alternately David is the championship sustainable financially do you think. It's a bubble waiting to burst this is it can't continue. If the model is just built off having enough billionaire owners to keep funding it then sister strange crazy model in my opinion. Because there's only so many people you can achieve that is and in 5 years time will be so I had discussing maybe losing a couple clubs probably will probably will we all want to be successful football fans want that team to be successful so you've got a balance of being successful but on the page but also off the pitch and it just doesn't go hand in under the chairmanship if I gave you the magic wall mill famous magic wand what would you do with the salary cap is that where you're leaving to how would you solve the problem yes salary cap is the only way. Yeah people talk about a new t.v. Deal all just go but the players ultimately the and and the clubs and the owners that want to gamble will just give give out higher wages so I think a salary cap would be the only solution however the us to be voted for by by the Football League teams and and the chairman of ourself that might vote one way and be certain of the other way and they're the ones that are. Obviously fun a club with with the mass of money it would be hard to pass but. If they don't it's got a big big problem on and that's the former chairman if we can laugh at it David Sharp they're essentially saying the championships are financial basket case later on we're going to hear from fans of Sheffield Wednesday now that could have been investigated by the f.l. In relation to the purchase of Sheffield Wednesday's ground for 60000000 pounds or so by the owner the allegation is that that was to get around these profits and sustainability Russo here from m.i.t. And if you're a championship fan of a side in a championship How do you assess the gamble your team might be making to try and get to the Premier League the f l for their part say overall championship revenues have risen for 5 seasons in a row but rising player wages are a challenge there they say Clyburn is a well aware of the league's regulations they know the risks to sustainability at the same time they have to be allowed flexibility to succeed within those regulations the a.f.l. Goes on to say shown that appropriate action will be taken against clubs who breach regulations it's also set up a working group of the clubs to examine how sustainability can be maintained into the future interesting David Schardt then said he didn't think the championship was fit for purpose as it stands at the moment I'm very soon one or 2 clubs could go bust What do you make of the late 5058 at b.b.c. 5 Live us a look at the news headlines quarter past 4 before we do that actually let's just look at a story that we mentioned in the news at 4 o'clock 8 people have been injured. After a bus crashed into a railway bridge in Swansea man's been arrested our correspondent Thomas Morgan is in Cardiff Thomas what do we know about what happens Well this album they're owned 20 to 10 this morning when as you mentioned a double decker bus crashed into a railway bridge. Road which is close to the city center in Swansea berths was transporting mostly students between the 2 university campuses singleton in the new Swans e Bay compass However due to a road closure it wasn't actually travelling along its usual route list of hawks on board when the crash happened I was sitting at the back of a talk that I was just really exhausted but there was a loud noise I was thrown forward if I had only seen front and next thing I know I'd look up and there's just there's just a bridge halfway through the bus 8 people were injured to 2 seriously and another with life threatening injuries was airlifted to Cardiff University Hospital of Wales songs e Bay Health Board have asked people to avoid attending their Anian Morriston unless they have a serious illness or injury saying the department was extremely busy after the crash all the railway line is now reopened the they say that they expect delays roads remain closed in swarms years the work continues to unpeel the bus from an Denethor bridge Now you mentioned also that someone has been arrested South Wales Police have arrested a 63 year old man and the bus company involved 1st can be said a full investigation had been launched Thank you Thomas Thomas Morgan our correspondent in Cardiff with the latest is 17 minutes past 4 now this is 5 Live Drive a sad lines it is full it is on drive it was was waiting it was $55.00 Live has found the championship teams are making huge losses as they chase promotion to the Premier League place in New Zealand are preparing to start a recovery operation on White Island and 8 people are just heard have been injured after a double decker bus drove into a Swanzy Braille Weybridge or not as the trouble thanks to any city and 61 in Lancashire heading south there was an accidental visit reading. Between junctions 8 and 6 so all the keys are still there from the seventy's backing up to junction 8 and 57 on the northbound junction. One lane out and that's because of the 5 northbound. On his left Q.'s and imagine that junction. That's again on the m 5 the I'm 42 very slow on the southbound side. There's been an instant. On the m 20 westbound heading towards London junction 3 Sorry junction 6 at Maidstone. Still underway and there are problems on the trains Great Western Railway made and had this been an instant which is coming to us delays 95 minutes so watch out that there is a travelling between reading and. Thank you and a little bit later on in the program I speak to somebody who's having a strictly party this weekend is the final. What is the Strictly. Because I decided to try and find a menu for for a strictly party so I suggested salsa Yeah yeah yeah I suggested I go yes. Well there's got to be something based on the American Smooth 1000. As. I thought everyone could. Possibly want even. If you could put together a bit of a strictly menu I don't want to give the. People close to fall but I have got today were. Time to show that the reason for all those Everybody else is there. Is. A 5 hour 58. Already. So who. Should time go so far. 5 thank you for trying. 855820 past. 8. This Saturday this is. 3 pm. Sunday is meant to see you know it is against Alison. Arsenal against Manchester City for a league is your station and this is I. Just want to spend a few seconds now on the program to send our thoughts to our friend and colleague Nicky Campbell to Dad And if you saw this on social media or in the news on the b.b.c. News website please moms died the age of 96 and Nick has written a brilliant and heartfelt tribute to Sheila who adopted him as a 4 year old baby in 1961 of course it was that adoption that led to he presents longest family you'll know on i.t.v. When he reunites a lot of children who were adopted with their parents down the line he said this on Twitter my mum Sheila died yesterday at 96 we made a b.b.c. Programme together about her service as a radar operator and she was immensely proud of her role on D.-Day life's work was a social worker helping others the day she and dad adopted me was the day I won the lottery she doted on the grandchildren of my girls completely a daughter everybody did I'm so lucky I'm proud to have had her as my mum and we will miss them more than we can ever express she was my adoptive mum she was my real mum that's what Nicky said to him just on a personal note my dad died about 5 months ago and Nicky sent me a wonderful email at the time it was really uplifting really meant a lot to Maine so obviously managed to do the same to Nikki today but I just want to spend the focus was a really emotional moment on prefaces morning when Rachel tried to read the message this thing is you know you probably know Nicky's moment as well because he talks about her dad so much and because she came home 5 life. At 1st and talked about what she did in the the Women's Auxiliary Air Force in World War 2 when he made that special program about us so it probably feels like somebody somebody you know is well almost a member of your family and the fact that you know Nick has talked so much and and so often and been so open about the fact that he was adopted in that incredibly loving relationship he had with his his mom and with his dad as well it just was clearly an extra special thing so we're really thinking about about Nicky today is a tough day for him he's going to be back on se but I know so many of you have sent messages and tweets to him so many messages and I know for a fact he'll be really thrilled and really really grateful for every one of those I find that's why I put in my message there because he's off today but he's going back to work tomorrow what I wanted and I said I see him I'm sending you back to work tomorrow says You brought him up well giving him those were good bye to Wernick and he'll be back there no doubt thinking of her tomorrow as well so just to say we're thinking of him today I strive on 5 live with honor and Tony 23 minutes past for now let's talk about the Premier League for a few minutes they'll be hoping it's 4th time lucky after announcing that the interim chief executive Richard Masters has this afternoon been given the job on a permanent bases it comes just 2 weeks after the Premier League's 3rd choice David pencil a media executive resigned before starting the role following newspaper allegations about his private life let's get a bit more detail from our sports editor Dan Ryan because Dan this is been an incredibly convoluted process for something that should have on the face of it been pretty simple it has a date on it yes it began this saga when the longstanding former chief exec which is suitable announced he was stepping down back in November of last year and the m.t.a. Richard Masters who's an Aston Villa found by the way this previously worked late spring Templi charge was searched against Republican placement it's a very exact of course is an advantage was and shows them how to get out she was taking over the boss of the discovery saving network and suddenly shocks the league by having 2nd thoughts and pulling out if that was. Embarrassing it soon got worse when the 2nd choice candidate Tim Davie who's a senior b.b.c. Executive was offered the role he also turned it down and then as you said in October David had so chief executive the Guardian was announced as the new boss is all set to take up the reins in the New Year and then as you say 2 weeks ago he was forced to resign before starting the job because of newspaper allegations surrounding his private life by now masters have been Sempra charges so they say months and there is clearly a growing feeling among the clubs of the time it comes to eventually go in a house that you know on the right be given the job on a on a permanent basis as well as powerful roles in World Sport and today Chelsea chairman Bruce Buck who who led this recruitment saga said that Marsters had proved himself and risen to the occasion yeah and he's going to have a lot to sort of deal with in his injuries need to what's going to be the most the most pressing items for him to to try. But he takes the reins in a really fascinating and challenging time I think that this controversy of course over an increase in incidents of racism that we're saying across football but also in the top flight how best to tackle that the chaos and confusion of if they are in this its 1st season in the lake that clearly needs addressing then as the the issues around money the most recent all important domestic t.v. Deal generated half a 1000000000 pounds less than the one before that was the 1st dip in revenue in a long time and I think he'll be judged you know in a large part by the next day all that he will have to negotiate now on behalf of the clubs are made changing audience habits the rise of social media and interest from digital giants like hammers and piracy and illegal streaming of course is an issue for them the effect of Brecht's it if it happens links to gambling the money that the Premier League gives to the a.f.l. Given the financial difficulties that a lot of clubs in in the a.f.l. Are experiencing with a lot of that so they have a real 5 live in and I think also the reform of the club competitions always will be priorities for masters in the New Year Yeah down Frankie gets to run the b.b.c. Sports editor I you know we said right to start the program that because today is polling day is the day that we can't to. About the election and I to be out there just that being so many bizarre identifies because we've talked about the thing for weeks but so many bizarre So it is literally war and this just caught my eye from the b.b.c. News website so if that edition. And this is true this is truly on their checked out this is the headline woman 89 granted big biceps stripper care home wish and 89 year old woman's Christmas wish came true when she received a visit from a stripper with a large chest a big biceps and a care home this is Joan was given the almost quote Full Monty after she placed her request on a wishing tree at the Suffolk home manager said most residents ask for a beach trip or a nice afternoon tea but Joan got what she wanted when the firemen arrived stripped off See look at all the stories that we miss is very much it's a daily basis there are they. Look as a picture of any stone that ever there's never that is never a good look for a man in a phone no more advice I disagree where all your bicycle lights race is these things at the tops of your hours at the beginning you are a dismal bad to me yet you said you go either you are the man look. 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Final one for now mainly because I can't I can't see any others that would merit it calling Wales as Walt Stuart solid Oh good just let me ask you the money is a lot that I'm also heartened by the fact that even though I you know you might be busy because it's nearly Christmas in the stuff today to buy the the large number of tags Nobody is too busy to get to know it I like That's nice thank you and I mentioned I could bring tango Yes just so much shouting going to shouted in my yes they could drink 7 Nope. Yeah. Ok. That went down very well 285-058-5058 at b.b.c. 5 Live you want to tax the program we're going to go to the headlines very shortly keep your thoughts Green Actually lot of you texting in about the travails of the championship that's our main story tonight about how a lot of owners. Are perhaps risking administration in order to gamble over a 3 year period to get their come into the Premier League marking you talk to says Darby sold our ground to our own m l Morris' the league close the loophole and then Sheffield Wednesday falling foul of that said we're going to hear from Sheffield Wednesday fans with a bit later on and we mention Barry as well so Barry went went out of business in League One so fans above that in the Championship tend to think a little side couldn't cope got it all but Barry as we heard a moment ago which Chasing Life in the Championship and there's no there's no guarantee that it won't happen to a club in the championship just a text about Barry regarding the financial status of lowly clubs there's no in mention about the impact on young kids my 12 year old son had beena Barry Academy for 4 years he had fantastic training funded by the film and Barry lost its status the Academy closed overnight there were 150 kids their age 8 to 16 they were literally dumped overnight they were all devastated so we should think about the impact on kids' mental wellbeing as well as was the club itself got a thought say 5058 up b.b.c. 5 Live half past 4 now on digital b.b.c. Sounds must be done on this is b.b.c. Radio 5 Live to the headlines and as we were just saying 5 lives discovered more than half of Championship clubs are spending more a wages than the earning accountants Deloitte believes the gap will widen as teams gamble to try and reach the Premier League the a.f.l. Says set up a working group specialist search teams e.g. To start recovering the bodies of those killed during the volcanic eruption a white island so far nobody has tried to see to the risk of further of options. At least 8 people are missing a person's been lifted to hospital with life threatening injuries and 7 others have been hurt after a double decker bus crashed into a railway bridge in Swanzy a 63 year old man has been arrested and millions of people of voting in the 1st December general election in almost 100 years the Republican stations in 650 constituencies across England Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland and they close at 10 pm That's a nice Katie school sport Thank you Richard Ma says has been appointed as the c.e.o. Of the Premier League he's the 4th person to be offered the role well it comes just 2 weeks after the Premier League's 3rd choice media executive David pencil resigned before starting the role following newspaper allegations about his private life hospitals had to sit down Rowan has been speaking to Dr mast as a bit in separate charges so I say mobs and there is clearly a growing sailing among the clubs That's why would come so when she go in a house that you know the right be given the job on a permanent basis as well as powerful roles in World Sport today Chelsea chairman Bruce spark and he led this recruitment saga said that boss disapproves himself had risen to the occasion while Arsenal are in Europa League action in about an hours an hour and a half sorry only a 5 nil defeat to standardly age will see them eliminated but interim boss says that taking European football very seriously this season is a very important game for us we know. What's at stake we think there will probably come out us because they don't need to win the game of course that we are in the Premiership and December we play a lot of games so regardless of it it was here was not a game sometimes we have to change but we have a lot of respect for the game and we definitely don't take it lightly we want to win the game and get a result on them play in Europe for the rest of the season Celtic goals are already 3 to the knockout stages as a Manchester United the Dutch side that Alkmaar they could be without Jesselyn God though he picked up a knot in this weekend's Manchester dopy but boss says he has faith in whatever team he plays inside we've always had belief that what we do is. Right think so results you can't control that's just the nature of it both times live the margins your side and I think the decision we made by sending a young team to Kazakhstan. Made the players that stay here have more energy and be really ready for this week because it was the concrete ranges can also progress and help their great with when I have a Swiss side young boys the use of a often marginal offside decisions could be amended next season that's a joint bid by you on the home nations Football Association succeeds the president Alex on the sefer and has admitted there are issues with the precision of the off issue lines drawn on the pitch to help make decisions Meanwhile estable spending Rodgers says that he won't be letting anyone go in the January transfer window with his side sitting 2nd in the Premier League now save his century so England 227 run when I Pakistan's women in Kuala Lumpur and she says the squads eager to impress on the new coach Lisa I will see are no higher than I am from Pathan from the academy when I was in it along time ago I bet I'll get a lot for guys right now as much about them not very I guess looking out for a little bit but it's good to have you here and get to have that pressure and encourage it is good for him to lead the 3 match series to now elsewhere Andy Murray has cancelled his training block in Miami because of a growing injury he suffered a breeze his pelvic bone jarring last month Davis Cup which ruled him out of most of the tournament but Murray says his Grand Slam comeback is still on track he's hoping to compete at the Australian Open in January at the latest now from b.b.c. Sport this is b.b.c. Radio 5 Live on digital b.b.c. Sound small speak up by corrupt Aussie Brussels. Are too much I don't think I don't think that many people go for that so me saying cha cha cha girl chicken which I rather like with South cream and. Yes of course or just good thank you a 5 o 5 it's obviously from of your text a program today I want to see with the travel musings Tony m 5 and in the West middle. On the northbound side junction 2 would all break away the red wax others have broken down Van Long delays backing up differently services and they've now put in a temporary block on the sometimes side of town so and I can see that q. Is a junction 3 a tale so imagine has a taking place and if on that date in the next 10 minutes just another quick thought on the financial issues surrounding the championship and whether clubs are risking their future to try to get to the Premier League Jamie in Sheffield says I'm a Sheffield Wednesday fire and I think if the club broken the rules we need to take the punishment we are given that said I feel we're being punished despite having an owner with the mains to pump tons of cash into the club but it can't do to the rules however the Fells profit and sustainability rules will always be a joke while teams relegated from the Premier League receive hundreds of millions of pounds in parachute payments without kicking a board that distorts the competition and encourages big spending the whole system is broken will focus on Sheffield Wednesday I around 5 o'clock this is b.b.c. Radio 5 live over at the on the b.b.c. Sounds at 5 Live Drive for it's only live see now reformed x. Prisoner who fought the London Bridge knife attack with a fire extinguisher has said that he was prepared to die to protect others John Kriti was jailed for murder in 2005 after a burglary went wrong he's giving his 1st broadcast interview since the November attack to our legal affairs correspondent Clive Coleman and cars people will will know who John Quigley is because of that footage that emerged of him tackling calm on the bridge how did he come to be that day well as you say John Kerry was given a life sentence for murder in 2005 and that followed a burglary in Manchester in which his accomplice punched the elderly resident who lived in the property and that person sadly died now he was convicted under what's pretty controversial or known as joint enterprise and not enable someone to be convicted of murder and given a life sentence if the. Somehow in it together with the person who inflicted the fatal blow they didn't inflict the fatal blow themselves until 2016 The reason I says controversial is that the test applied was something called the foresight test in other words could it could you foresee that someone in the group that you're in or someone you were with might commit serious harm or killed so could you foresee that they might even see that the test is it is a test for the prosecution there was a lot of controversy about that law and in 2016 the Supreme Court had a look at it and they say said basically the law had been going wrong for 30 years and that they imposed a high a test a test that you had to intend to assist the person commit committing the offense the person who inflicted the fatal blow now junk pretty as a result of that appeal his conviction it was reduced to manslaughter and he was released on license in 2018 and he became involved with the organization that was holding this prison education event at fishmongers hole almost a fortnight ago that was attended by Cambridge graduate Saskia Jones and Mr Critz friend Jack Merritt also a Cambridge graduate and it was at that event the junk really hood a scream said it was just a very high place on hills the sexism of a life filled scream. So I just thought it was. It feels nice and about was a scheme was it laughed at all girls laugh and scream and self won't show. Up a 2nd later just go pro quo a lot louder a lot more intense but I was over so it was take you know if you came down the stairs round the corner of the stands was it. Just just. The flat London Saskia was a lie and I. Was just basically sprawled. Just slide in. A certain sort of. Coward. And shout and clever see I wasn't just out of all modesty on the part of the. Just of the 1st 2 knives we know now Clive that John cruelly confronted the attack Well John paints this absolutely terrifying picture but what comes out of it is that he snapped into action he attacks come with anything that he could find initially he got hold of a wooden leg he ran with it it snapped he ended up throwing what was left at the stump of it I didn't then he had to back off because he was in real danger and he went off and he found a far extinguisher and he attacked him with that but all the time he was aware that Khan was wearing what looked like a suicide belt I'm spatially skin I'm supposed to save you from plywood and if you can blow it I'm sorry it's on You Tube But also tonight and I'm calling his post often see all the balls applause. He said I'm going for the police. He said it was always a good place for any player. I was a passive public lose my life and alls. And after that John chases amounts of the building and onto the street well this is the footage that many people will have seen this is junk really chasing him out of the building with the far extinguished he told me that he was trying to fire into his eyes to blind him you'll see on that foot he's there's another man who has this shirt this narwhal tusk this long toss that he's prodding calm with and then a 3rd man comes in and Poles come on by the coal the time colonies wielding his knife pulls him by the coat and he can fulls to the ground now the police arrived within minutes and joined Crilly said that they arrive within minutes but he said they were being very careful they were taking talking and he ended out shouting to them shoot him because of the belt now it was only after that only off the calm had been shot by the police that John critics thoughts turned to Jack Merritt who was clearly a good friend to him as a need to talk to you made you feel comfortable. And even in hall and saw. Listen to this and Uncle Charlie is generally interested can you tell me. What he meant to you. Just pleasure I hope. People think of you as a hero do you think of yourself as a hero I had all. Their face on my face. And I had no. Well that is John Curly here you may remember from the footage of people tackling has been called the London Bridge attack about day he was speaking to our legal affairs correspondent Clive Coleman It's 18 minutes to 5 they days just a reminder you don't need this reminder polling day today but the reminder is that off commercials means we call talk politics here on 5 Live but we can a little bit later 5 large election coverage kicks off tonight with Stephen Nolan at 5 to 10 then Emma bonnet and James not to will take you through the night here on 5 Live breakfast joins in with all the latest developments from 5 am tomorrow morning and then throughout the day I'm far from up myself and will be needed in all of the election fallout tomorrow when you tuned in to drive at 4 o'clock right 443 now. That's Paul McCartney of course with wonderful comedy thing that ranks if you join a funny I don't mind dance or stuff I brought up my next top tantrum about some of that wonderful Christmas time but what kills Christmas of Paul McCartney's house look like but it's actually pretty standard issue here and I said before one thing when it comes to the music there's none of. Them. Chris Rae would bottom of the bar I mean driving home for Christmas Oh it's not it's all right now isn't going to fill the downs for any time so he saw right to ride them anyway Paul McCartney doesn't resort like we would do to all the traditional Christmas hats instead he told the b.b.c. That actually privately he made an album of Christmas songs years ago which he only plays to his family no one outside of his family's ever heard them but he plays them every year the Beatles legend was speaking to ceremony to get paint is the scene of the McCartney Christmas is there a big family gathering is it a You're listening to music are you watching the Queen's speech yeah it's like not it depends how many family we have around 2 of the more the merrier but it's a bunch of us and. I'm coughing a roast and with the rest of the store sold Carol's brussel sprouts No actually I think you're wondering whether to tell you about the music thing years ago I thought there's no very good Christmas records there's a Phil Spector record I like but I thought I thought I'd like to something kind of traditional and simple and easy with all the all the Good King Wenceslas and all and so I actually went into my studio over a couple of years and I made wall but it's just for the family so I'm afraid dad's Christmas carol record comes on to you intervening to tune ching ching Cheech Yeah. It's I hear you haven't really this is not something you've released this is nothing released no this is just for the family that's why I was wondering whether to say anything about it on all it is just gets brought out each year I'm just a little demo of it but you know the kids like it. It's kind of traditional So it's something they've heard through the years you know and now it's the grandkids getting doctrine or you sit with Mike our old record but it's fun we. A few little things like that and then there's the booze. Very jolly it sounds good in theory that is a bit like your uncle will be getting up and singing Santa babies after 3 baby you want to create. That little kind of taster he did oh I wasn't sure I wasn't really in for us I was trying to on the topic of Christmas music you know to try and start an interesting kind of conversation with a half Well I tried this morning to have a conversation said John is that your Christmas music Christmas songs when was the last time she does this kind of Christmas present that you hear all the time ever yet and I said when was the last time the disown actually entered that because you get sort of bits of novelty Christmas songs every year but they don't actually make it into the Christmas Canada Day and the last one I could think of I was kind of wavering overstaying of the day by 70 and I'm not sure that's entirely in the Mariah Carey which I think was the ninety's yeah all I want for christmas is you will. Hellish in the most except it is a colossal Yes And every year they have them and all the x. Factor songs in this and the other but they don't actually permeate like the others so I said to him what was the last what do you think. I care and carried on scrolling on his own said another as you deliberately trying to get interesting coalition of topics it was just that when popped into my head I thought it's a great conversation if you didn't want to have it with me you think it's a decent conversation was a great conversation I'll be happy to have that a breakfast tomorrow I want to say to my with I'm going to yell out hat. Like woman 89 grand big biceps Christmas wish Yeah it probably does you remember that I guess I've still got it I didn't close it down is still on my desktop look though ya see still oil my car with oil is in readiness against anything here I did a little a little light for the stool color. And is definitely is thought Jordy really weird. Most recent carry on your interesting conversations with listeners get interested in it probably not just be rebuffed by now you see they don't miss people saying the darkness is all it's just that's what I think most Americans Who was she said Ellen was a saucy call that all the bells and all of the bells she said yes on the last on the list that's a Christmas classic song is not the only behind it it was not I didn't think it was on the. 100 I think I wouldn't call that part of the Christmas interesting conversation you started here are you being serious problem with me now c not accepting the downside on a life that was. Anyway Ok so if you got a thoughts on that if you want to continue on is interesting topic just just don't know why you're going to put yourselves in the in a foster household every morning. Yeah laugh a minute. $85.00 o 5 b.b.c. Father did that come before a 17 East 13 even which on the darkness Yes No the darkness was after that I realised what I did waver over whether reception scene deserved include always got you know is it also laid as a Mariah Carey's a cursory on what hearing is I so much as Ariana Grande I sing in Santa baby but Santa baby was done but no I mean enjoy is yes and no not in the sort of you know Christmas and I dismiss canon as I worry Jory interesting conversation could be over now because so many people are saying the darkness but will say we'll see where it goes Oh I'd also people are now picking me up about the fact that it's called Don't let the bells and is the bit in brackets afterwards is called Christmas time brackets don't let the bells and so oh well that's interesting that makes the conversation more interesting but I'm not I'm not I'm not sure you are on my side now. I'm wavering 85058 up b.b.c. 5 Live writes Well I've lost track now it's so interesting one to show it was when I saw it it was interesting it's 10 to 5 or less look at that lunch oh yes this is Firefly Dr. It's working to keep the championship sustainable as the gap between clubs. Preparing to recover the bodies of some of those killed. And opposes a critical condition and 2 others are seriously injured after a bus crash. Brought some texts. People. Sort of. Somebody says Christmas lights. Christmas classic made for the sole purpose of being cheesy therefore must be included Yeah it was a deliberate attempt to create what it was but their Christmas songs are. Sort of. Don't be ridiculous of course the. What if they don't this is did you work out. All right then if there's anything post because that is still a long time ago. It was anything more recent. On the northbound side. Is closed because of the queues. Delays on the. Northbound heading up towards 50. 5 north. North. And then. Also problems in. One of the. Found. One on the south. Between 6. Closed off the form. And the entry heading north junction 2 at the m $25.00 an accident in one of the lanes on Imagine 5 like trapped. By the time form a bit later in the program in terms of the weather is just an awful way to do it but he's playing old so hey how he's getting on on Dr before 7 at now how much you think you spend on takeaways new research suggests the u.k. Average is $450.00 pounds per person fall of money to save $450.00. And that is not even top I was in London $709.00 created per year that's what the survey suggests if you're in Cardiff it's a $203.00 so there's a bit of a spread across the country one of the stat I thought came across is quite interesting in Southampton 5 percent of respondents spend 35 or 35 to 40 quid on a male on a take or a male 35 to 40 craters quite a lot isn't it and why Ben is from the grocer magazine she's here to talk us through some of the more of the numbers over there in Emma 450 pounds a year that's round about as a mass about 8 pounds a week that people spend Have we reached peak takeaway it's an interesting question as an s.m.s. Definitely It's really excited after the party is and it's in depth look at it great then with every essay I think we haven't quite made Yes actually I think a still small price to come. That the question is how long can this continue it's going to have to tail off at some points and what is the kind of the motivation is this because we've just got busier lives oh and has the market become increasingly more accessible I think it's a combination of by 3 I mean I think. It's all that Africa has a grocery shopping event with people to take groceries did it with it and so I think that whole lifestyles could be terrorists and whole site of the likes of delivery would just be ready I found out the markets even had to go out to your favorite restaurant you can now get your restaurant say it's delivered ts So I think that's also I paid a role and that's where as one of the things I was I scored theory about this streaming t.v. Is kind of like created far more of a market where people are going to order stuff to the house and one of the things I kind of I stumbled across today was just eat market value guys is fine 1000000000 pounds Sainsbury's on today's share price 4200000000 said just a takeaway app is worth more than saying it was quite something are we going to see a change in this market so you know I mean for example everyone says it's all about casual dining is as kind of demise we've seen the rise of the takeaway are we going to see therefore sort of buy something supersede this is there more coming on this market. I think it is going to grow like you say I think it does sound crazy to have an apple with a crisis but putting into context I think the just looking at the fake is the actual feet delivery it was estimated to be with a very early and 20. Amazon trying to get in on that raise so I think people are saying real potential actually prophetic right full any kind of best and that's thanks very much indeed as any one burns from the gross magazine I thank you Mark Marks art from 5 love money it is $5.00 to $5.00. Jimi Hendrix blasting out while thing you may remember right at the end of the program yes we want to mention we can talk politics that are joked about finding a parrot to talk to well we've nearly got there we're going to talk parakeets instead of the rumor that Jimi Hendrix introduced parakeets to this country back in the 1960 s. Letting them loose in the trees around it's an urban myth apparently researchers from Queen Mary University in London been investigating Dr Sally for is one of them Hello Sally hello you know I said what's he supposed to have done Jimi Hendrix he apparently released 2 Parichay named Adam and Eve I'm on Carnaby Street in the name of peace so this is just one of the up myths about why we have so many parakeets and so at the sight of him so did he did he not do that we can't find any evidence to say that he did that and if he did they definitely but most likely they went the source of of our population of parakeets So there are those but there's quite a romantic story isn't it it is I do apologize to everybody that that I have kind of the boat but it's there is no evidence of that story the other one that Humphrey Bogart and Katherine had brought them over while they were making the African Queen fortunately so yeah so what's the what's the Monday truth. The Monday in truth is that there was just lightly multiple sources off of so letting her go that they came from multiple locations and this could be that people were releasing them as pets which is quite common if you don't want your pet anymore you just release it they could be escapees or it could be because of the sort of parakeet flew or the suitcase this epidemic that happened in the 1950 s. And everyone kind of went to panic mode and just quickly all these pets that I have I just need to get rid of it get in the my and they really there was no reason to do that some of the headlines on my sensationalist and. Surviving in the wild parakeets how they're doing very well they are. They're cavity dwelling bugs so they like to live and so poles and trees there's very little evidence and potentially is because there's very little research done into them causing any harm they don't appear to be at competing our own native species at the moment that's not to say that they won't change in the future and how many do we think are a mainly around London parakeet they are across the u.k. But they're mostly around the scythe east of England last week there was a Piper I think in 2013 that estimated about over 8000 breeding pads so twice that number of individuals it's incredible I know yeah and they're fantastic what you know what a lovely sight to see their colors are amazing you can go feed them and Hyde Park the London new and you can feed them they really are nice thing to have I think it's I think it's great that they're here so it's fair to say that to our quality of life however they got here I believe that people think that they're noisy and I guess they are but also in life if you mean that if that's all you've got to complain about it barricade to no you didn't have any predators Yes some of the bigger bags will definitely take them I said they're actually providing a food source for some of the big bad we have here have charming or should never asked for us but a bit of a downer on it was that. Brother feed them I get my crash helmet Sally thank you very much for that thank you thank you Sally for that so that other method Jimi Hendrix released 2 parakeets on Carnaby Street and you know I'd never heard it before so I never had time to enjoy it before everybody has the bones and about 5 and a half seconds with it thank you but a great story a lot of interest because home station down with. You know if anybody My bet is. To Britain around the breakfast table I just I just want a funny list it's got anything they can add to the list of interesting subjects for you and your husband tomorrow don't I thought somebody 5 or 5. B.b.c. Radio. That's what I'd call call I'm sorry I do apologize that. It is for I all but so off today I think there are other it's like a fly under. Yeah it's 5 o'clock on 55 o'clock I'm 5 law this is driving on a foster until it's a common story Championship clubs run up huge debts in the hope of reaching the Premier League again we were putting in nearly a 1000000 pounds a month and found them around just to keep it going and going to get the 4 lowest wage on the championship so it's a real problem it's only going to get worse as I install Arsenal are looking for lost $32.00 spot in the right believe with Lembergs future is still up and yeah a few games kick off at $5.00 to $6.00 ought to keep things 3 much as I'm going to have to watch a 5 to 6 very complicated business here for live sport from 7 o'clock tonight it's the inside track with old Royden Darren Campbell going to hear from former Bradford defender Stephen Dobbie on the x. Got locked all the way as they discussed living with motor neuron disease. This is b.b.c. 5 live here Powell says it's working to maintain the sustainability of the Championship after a 5 block investigation found more than half the league's clubs all spending more than my mike wages outstripped income by 11 percent in the 201718 season a sides pushed for promotion to the Premier League down Jones's from accountants Deloitte even if you just got to throw me away for one season that's worth another 170000000 if you manage to stay up for more than one season is worth a minimum of $300000000.00 so you can see whether award saw and so those $50000000.00 pounds a year losses in that context suddenly don't look so irrational but of course it is how long can you sustain that especially as teams due to begin an operation to recover the bodies of those killed one of Ok no erupted on New Zealand's Whitehall and at least 8 people are missing no one has yet reached the site to the risk of further volcanic activity the focus on Judy Turner has been speaking at a news conference by the families and the community have been asking for action we are waiting with hope for an outcome that sees families free you know. That to those who are going to undertake this recovery we wish you all the best and we will be praying for you an unlicensed drivers been jailed for more than 7 years for killing a 10 year old girl in a hit and run crash in New Castle 24 year old Khan amassed and pleaded guilty to causing Melissa Tate's death by dangerous driving in Canton in September a person suffered life threatening injuries after a double decker bus crashed into a railway bridge in Swanzy 2 others have been seriously hurt a man's been arrested voting is taking place in the case the general election in 5 years polls are open across England Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland until 10 pm as Paul McCartney has revealed he wants recorded a secret Christmas album for his family which gets brought out and played every year he says although it was created in a studio the instrumental versions of traditional carols will never be released and therefore will never make it into the official Christmas Canon patent pending which I have invented today yes and given to you as a pro like a Christmas gift on the program I can tell you really really into it know I am the sum of a lot of people are suggesting you know we what was that we had the darkness so York your interesting conversation topic yet you try to start with yours and this morning but he couldn't give a monkey's face what's the latest Christmas song to be inducted into the Hall of Christmas fame yes we decided all the listeners between us all of these artists the darkness they'll know the bells and oh yeah one of his Kolya which which I don't entirely agree with given it's my topic and therefore my ball. Yeah well do you would like to see it out we were digging this one out we're going to play short because I have never heard of it Jimi though in a quite a few other people say one more slow.