It isn't good for society that he's lost a defamation claim against the law Musk the Tesla found cold Vernon with Peta guy on Twitter after a rout over a Thai cave rescued u.s. Officials say they're trying to work out why a Saudi student shot dead 3 people of the military by some Florida he was killed by police President Trump says King Solomon has apologized on behalf of the Kingdom Britain is the longest running rail franchise will end today Virgin Trains has the West Coast Main Line since 997 the contracts being taken over by Avanti West Coast and the m 25 and he quote was in Essex is said to be closed to much of the morning after a crane collapsed across both carriageways happened yesterday evening at Junction $27.00 for paying one lane shot clockwise so kind of a horrible horrible it's not going to be close to. Shopping said there maybe because there's not going. To be fun isn't it I wonder what this new train lines going to be the new operator on the west coast because that is a service I know pretty well we all know how to think to hear it but I want to know is it going to be more than just different different colors is it going to get it getting rid of the red device or trying to say. I think Senator Phil. Similar kind of things like telling you what's in the shop what's on offer in the shop when the shops open Yeah and the shops closing and I'll never get enough of a problem just the. Drinks Yeah alcoholic beverages it's one of their always alcoholic beverages no alcoholic drinks. Revelers revellers with their alcoholic beverages it's like you put your headphones on and you listen to some musical to a polka So whatever it might and then it all starts up and you think maybe this is important I should probably distance and tell you have his off with a wide selection of how. Do you know him and that he go into. We get it we get it all right this is assume we expect there to be sandwiches or actually Anyway we've made a point. To be more important that it will talk about a little bit later on Dom the boxing Yes the book saying we're going to go into great detail about this this morning of course you can hear on 5 Live this evening the way in has taken place just a much lighter than last time and about over a stone heavier and when you are not particularly toll which he isn't for a heavyweight you're carrying 20 stone around that's going to be hard work. Going to find out if that's you know we have various predictions and talk to the experts also of course it is Dobbie day at the edge he had this time united going now off the back of a win against Tottenham and spoiling Joe saves return can that adrenalin rush that they got from there as salchow was talking about be enough to beat City and of course what have a new boss to have peson back in the big time we'll be chatting about that little later on as well Ok Don thanks very much I think I think Joshua could have his work cut out some of you know that's just just my hunch and he Ruiz looks so chilled out the way and just totally relaxed but I know that doesn't necessarily mean anything when it comes to getting in the ring but it's going to be interesting to big fights to talk about this morning we're going to talk about Joe sure re Ruiz to walk about Corbin v Johnson head to head in the last televised debates of the election campaign you made up your mind yet wherever you live whoever you vote for one of these 2 men will be prime minister in a week's time we have a deal it's a wonderful deal we're coming out on January 31st if we can get a working majority and I'm afraid listening to Mr Coburn is as I type saluted clear that what would happen next years would be a period of negotiation about this mystery deal led by somebody in the Labor Party that was we can't yet identify since it was a cold he doesn't believe in the deal himself it would they be put to another referendum to the people of this country parliament our country would spend the whole year. Probably more ract looked in debate about bricks but what people want to do is move on and focus on the issues facing the me will turn it over and then we can do immediately Mr Johnson will spend at least 7 years negotiating with the USA on access to our public services on the price of medicines in Britain on the access to our National Health Service and he knows he can't get a deal quickly with the USA because of the way 'd in which the Us political system works and so what he will do is walk out of a relationship with the go into a relationship with nobody and that is where the chaos will come out let me just make one point I do find it slightly curious to say the least Nick to be lectured about the union between Great Britain and Northern Ireland by a man who all his life political life his campaign to break up that union and actually supported for 4 decades. In the. Body of the father to be to destroy it I must say I find it a curiosity to recover what I wrote Under that the prime minister showing a degree of honesty about the range once he's actually made with Northern Ireland he spoke at d.p. Conferences that there would be no restrictions whatsoever we now know there are restrictions he should and could have said that at the time and so it is a question of openness on all of this being when he says you've supported people who are opposed to you need your whole lot of you don't even believe what I've done it is always wanted to see a peace process in Northern Ireland and that is exactly what we've got and thank you to the Labor Government negotiated after 9 General briefly are you still claiming that the n.h.s. Is up for sale because your document doesn't seem to show any such thing well read the documents that were discussed in secret and the government refused to rule release them between themselves and the Us administration about access to public services and the extension of the life of patents on medicines which would increase medicine costs in this country a person Trungpa said many times people pay too little for us medicines. Around the world that's the kind of agenda the prime minister wants to get involved with that's the kind of deal they're trying to make with the us or is Jones and he says you want to sell it to say this is pure triangle stuff we've heard it time and time again from the Labor Party during this election campaign. Here about the remember next to what I believe very passionately it is I use it I love it it's it's one of the most incredible things about this country it is a moderate in the world the central idea that if any of us get sick all of us take care of it's a fantastic thing now we believe in the n.h.s. Free at the point of use and no under no circumstances will we sell it off to anybody socialism or capitalism Jeremy Corbett socialism carried out in a democratic why in this country in Scandinavia and other places has raised the living standards of the very poorest and it was the post-war Labor government that didn't massively to improve the living standards of the poorest working class communities in this country and our Labor government will do the same again and I would say that if you use it is one nation conservatism which understands the dog vital importance of a dynamic market economy is the only way which you can pay for fantastic public services and for giving to looking after the poorest and neediest in our society that is the balance and symmetry at the heart of what I'm trying to achieve with this government so they way out I just gave you a flavor of it last I don't know what you made of it would have changed your mind I'm not sure it would have changed many people's minds to be honest having watched it because and if you learn particularly anything new whether it was personally about the 2 of them or indeed policy of felt by both of them are playing a fairly safe with this close to the general election and I just wonder as well with these kind of debates and I want to listeners think is well you know people often point to Nixon and Kennedy. That was the that was the big game changer. Back then you wouldn't have actually seen much of those guys on the news you know it wouldn't have been lucky you call avoid them now in the moment. But it's been it's been you know it's off right if you know Friday night viewing has the. Top Of The Pops and you know you couldn't do that because we would watch any election day but this is it but it was interesting shows listening to the excellent election cost on my wife and and and actually they did they did a little bit with Nick Robinson who said that actually he's a with this debate was to try and get some get more light than heat as it was so he talked to the Copan and Johnson and he talked to the audience and said let's just try and not be too shouty in not kind of talk I reach other all the time and in the end you wonder whether actually they were all a little bit too low key maybe they didn't really line the punches that wasn't ready you know going to go down this boxing analogy but it was it was you know it was a point thing rather than a if either of them won I don't know whether either of them did win but it would be no on points rather than on a knockout we're going to hear from Nikki Morgan later on in the program from the conservative perspective and Andy McDonald as well from the Labor side school taught them live on the program just this text saying do we have to have these 26 am Now I don't know if they're referring to you and I. Think. I'm going to presume the latter I'm going to assume the latter on this particular occasion. To come look at the crimes and counter crimes from both sides after 7 o'clock as well It's 11 minutes past 6 this is b.b.c. Radio 5 Live on digital b.b.c. Sound small speak of. Some kind of model I got this morning news scraping of the car windscreen Alina Jenkins morning morning to you Ellie you got a look at a couple of miles to start save the next few days but increasingly West and windy this weekend that's helpful costing school and any kind of day here some showers around especially the Highlands and Aberdeenshire and rain will move in from the west 3 days. In the north and the West the northern are having some sunshine a few showers as wintry for Shetland with cloud increasing here this afternoon and the winds strengthening across all of Scotland through the day and into this evening for northern unfairly cloudy dry for a time patchy rain spreading in ahead of some heavier rain which arrive into western areas by early evening tending increasingly windy hate to rain into Wales a few showers around the fest's morning these will tend to fade to leave most with a dry day some spells of sunshine particularly this morning calibrating from the west this afternoon strengthening breeze by the end of the day perhaps a few spots of rain into the far west by this evening a little bit cooler compared to yesterday for most 4 to 7 Celsius for northern Scotland 7 to 10 Celsius generally for much of the. Parts of southern England Wales and the Channel Islands. This is b.b.c. Radio 5 Live on the b.b.c. Sounds. Like the big fight tonight full coverage on 5 Live of course we'll toss Johnson over and in the next hour of the program about Joshua against Ruiz I will talk more about the fight as well in this hour of the program but don't Busby's here before we talk about boxing dome Let's talk about the football because it's Del b. Day in much state isn't a looking forward to this and it's quite intriguing one as well actually. Run through the sort of very. Moment to going into the back of that win against which many people feel lifted a lot of pressure. He's still remains very much up in the air according to some people but. Returned to Old Trafford and speaking yesterday in saying that. Moaning on one degree that a coast one reason for the inconsistency is that they just don't have the strength in depth in their squad but he says he's young side carry a lot of spirits with them and he says the adrenaline from that victory over Spurs may well just be enough to carry them over the line today again City City 11 points behind Liverpool now but starting to finally clicking the game and look at the side they were last season was always coming really you know that kind of good can live because of course is the major question more on them in a moment or 2 going to one available for City aquarists still out there that could be pivotal today and Marcial looks set to return for United but Paul Pogba still missing has this long standing ankle problem so I won't be featuring today. The press comes this took place goes on as usual and you get the impression Pep Guardiola doesn't like talking about this too much because he's run out of things to say about the double but this is what he said this time the sides are more. 530 start the game in the previous decide who is going to win the rest of course the story is that it is huge in the team the quality of players the hub is always there always have been used to try to get them and with Mr today to speak a little bit with the players with the others the team would be should do to read we will have updates from the Derby of course in 5 life support kick off the saving at $530.00 and a county game at 3 o'clock today features the leaders Liverpool the Isle of bull they have a trip to Bournemouth of course 8 clear at the top and in 2nd place swapping with City all the time is Leicester the nearest rivals there be boosted of course by Rodgers signing a new contract with them hopefully they think they'll Scotch rumors of him going anywhere I wouldn't completely bet on that but it's a club record $32.00 games unbeaten for Liverpool which is just extraordinary certainly making a huge strides on the club lived to have dropped just 2 point. It's the 2nd best in Europe they haven't had a clean sheet in 13 games that gives any side a little hope that they can nick something from these games their pens always seem to have a chance but in contrast have lost their last 4 league games in a row sitting 14th in the table as well and really in something of a battle at the bottom off the table if you look at the points difference is that there's not a great deal of difference between Southampton who are just outside the relegation zone and the mid table arrow just 3 points or so so a top at Christmas for Liverpool many feel they can still be cold and pop is very cautious about being the festive fairy We want to try to win in Bournemouth what that means for Christmas I never thought about order Christmas tree being top of the Christmas tree means I never thought about so it's not really interesting in Reno that we are in a really really difficult situation with the games coming up we know that Bobby expects up to that long ago constant decision somebody else you can quote whether he was going to be the fairy of the Christmas I just think he's a kind of random conjures up. Elf like facially isn't he with a beard and stuff did you see the press conference is evolving that sort of thing to do you say the only one the other day was shown dosh so he's only had a little bit was a little know mine and then the Christmas tree completely fell apart all. Some poor bloke was trying to put up and this is a. Plastic Christmas tree on the top. Yeah it was it was yeah it was it was amusing it was it was amusing as these things go they can be very stilted these Friday press conferences having been to a few in my time as well but but let's talk about well 2 interesting managerial moves Everton with big Duncan Ferguson in charge of the 1st time and what have also got a new manager but not new to the Premier League yeah this is not your place of course back in the big. Time. Linked In many people's memories of course with less the city. Combustible character is probably the best thing you can say about him of course he was a no nonsense player the Sheffield Wednesday back in the day many will recall his clash remember with James McArthur on the touchline when he accidentally went into him and it all got kind of a little unpleasant. He will bring maybe you could argue exactly what what the need at this point there are 7 points from safety sitting right at the bottom of the Premier League beaten recently by Thilo struggling Southampton and so we shall see what he can do and as far as Everton a concerned Marco Silva leaving this week it was always going to happen wasn't it they face Chelsea today with the return of club legend big Duncan Ferguson he's been as you might imagine you know he's in the interim care they say on the job full time he said quote No he's not considering the role at this time which is just kind of formal speak for yes I suppose if you give it to me I wouldn't be Chelsea 2 nil at home last season but of course they set the bottom adding spent big in the close season and got nothing to show for it yeah logic is an interesting point of form and I think he was very much the man who I think laid the foundations for Lester's magnificent title when before Cloutier Ronnie area came in and had a bit of a falling out when he left Leicester City but yeah really get a point I think potentially for what would so far like sports day Mark Chapman with you from midday born with against Liverpool to set is our country Game 3 with updates from all across the country from the f.l. On the Premier League and in Scotland as well 5 o'clock Sports report then 6 o'clock 606 with Chris Sutton and then boxing on at 8 o'clock Jonathan over and live in Riyadh in Saudi Arabia and then 1st bell approximately 9 o'clock and be released you. Against Anthony Joshua with the best team in the business yes and diet obscene Oh you're about this Mike Kostelnik Stevens and Richie will all ringside in Riyadh it's going to be good it's going to be interesting the 1st fight was so so interesting wasn't so you can remember the Joshua wasn't just knocked over once in the 1st fight was knocked over 4 times hands speed the Ruiz's goal is going to cause him bother isn't it Ruiz was so much heavier than Joshua he's got 3 sons in mind and he is and I was saying before when you consider that he's not a tall man in a heavyweight terms you can if you can imagine to put in perspective Joshua 6 foot 6 if he was carrying 20 stone it would be very obvious that he was carrying 20 stone yet he's got a much bigger frame says he think you know how is he in all honesty going to carry 20 stone or what he does affect his mobility surely. I mean he looks Joshua looks very lean though doesn't it as well much more lean than he has done in recent fires and I think our own son he's kind of when he struggled in fights he has been against short more kind of compact opponents so it's going to be fascinating Rivendell repayed we should say I spoke at the end of the summer a little bit earlier on in the year to Eddie Hearn who's the boss of March from the promoter of the fight the promoter to answer the Joshua anyway among many others and I asked him about this thorny issue of the choice of venue and that of Saudi Arabia the focus right now Fred your. Man he doesn't like the man he doesn't like the man's comments he stopped me I did my Before times at Madison Square Garden you could use the word might be humiliated on that note and here and now every conversation I've had with. This man. You know we want to. Saudi Arabia you know we do criticism do you regret bit now the. Because you never in any way you know are a great because we have it you see to provide the right to boxers died recently in the rain you'll get a mansion ahead yet if you will I don't any talking about I can see the heading stoning So you are talking about a country that has revolutionized sport she knew and such a stately and time it was way following the w.w. Me roll rumble where following the p.g.a. European tour we followed in the Italian Super Cup tenets with football we follow in the world boxing Super Series we follow in the Amec home fire that was just held at a recently so we understand the criticism not always perfect also on how to chase the clay You have been out there several times the sport events Formula One are out there are some places a bit more perfect though you know well yeah but I mean from a sporting events perspective having been out there logistically this place is 2nd to none going obligation as well that when find your opportunity comes in for a fight so this has to be considered especially when we're looking for a neutral venue for my teachers have been trying and trying to join ve is in is to stage mega flights in the Middle East and Saudi right via the filed Unfortunately for me I did live it and I have to live with the stick that comes with it and when you do it again and you do it again in place you can get a Chinese Box in France a carrier in Manila rumble in the jungle all took place in controversial countries at a time where there was huge amount of of called USA They were the biggest events in history this event on December 7th will be one of the biggest heavyweight events in history and if the Middle East continue to invest money into boxing all that make a fives will be that people should be know even enough to think it's about that time I simply don't think it's just following the money is an old he said. Yeah that's fine this season I got a MacI think if you'd like I said then does that mean all morality has sign of the window just you know it that's the bottom line the morality following might you're old and I was like. There is well we're not going to a country. Organization. That Matchroom all the fights but you different go on and make out your sights of the fighters the guy at the ice is going to ring affectively to have a fire to get punched in the head you know in a ship in a ritual group carries a financial opportunity for years and the she's going to every 4 I thought wants to fly at that location at the venue we could most amount of money like I think it's prize fight so it was that he earned it's it's a tricky one isn't Joshua was asked about and we played some of the on the breakfast program yesterday morning and he basically said for now it's all about the fighting and are not going to concentrate on anything else perhaps in the future I'll be able to turn my hand to these kind of issues I wonder if people think that's enough really you know when the win goal of this guy we know him but I suppose he would say llama sportsman I'm going where people asked me to go out simulate But you know I suppose you've got a bit more power than the along the why haven't you I think it's some some times you know I mean I've been to a limpid Games in Beijing places with interesting to say the very least human rights records and you just say well that's your job you know you go where the sport is but I don't know if I've been sent to Riyadh would I want to go I'm not sure tricky as far as the fight is concerned she just looking at some of the telegraph they've they've talked to a few champions a few experts Frank Bruno Tyson Fury Hasim Rahman who beat Lennox Lewis of course George Foreman and they going there predict sions Josh were going Joshua for a late stoppage according to George Foreman a Wilder says he's going to do it again asking Rutman thinks the same thing Tyson Fury thinks that Reese may be the bogey man for Joe She was so lots of very well connected. People thinking on dearie studio could do it too. Which is interesting is that we should say I was thinking of the When We Were Kings documentary of the Rumble in the jungle form and whenever you mention George woman's name and I was thinking this bit he had this small trying to call Dixie he would hold on to the heavy bag as foreman was going to work on it and George Clinton the journalist would say seeing George Foreman hit the heavy bag is one of the more prodigious sides of any kind and he says and after a workout about half an hour where foreman was just absolutely relentless didn't kind of stop in his punishment of this heavy bag he would describe a hole an indentation basically the size of golf a small watermelon. Screw. Though I. Just think is there anyone who's ever hit harder than George Foreman is absolute face tossing would have been up there wouldn't be extraordinary Anyway that's for another day really isn't it. $26.00 now this is full of blood breakfast I'm just not going to travel news that we mentioned earlier on the m $25.00 in Essex it remains closed anticlockwise off that crane collapsed yesterday at Junction 27th and it's not likely to reopen until lunchtime so if you're planning on going around the m $25.00 in Essex then bat in mind may affect your Christmas shopping plans down it's going to be Christmas shopping take me about the the the big stores the online shopping but about small business is Small Business Saturday it is today which. Passed So watch out by the m 2500 s. Excretion a junction 27 I think the real problem now 19 closed clockwise available now on b.b.c. Sounds and that gets. You I'm an advantage I talk to the people in power and I aim to get answers from them on the issues and questions that must be some I was not so hard. He to say from the beginning when you give me that somebody tells you what he was straight you might compromise I don't think he's in fact statement why would he commit to that because I'm sorry if I'm boring and the. B.b.c. Sounds had a very very strange experience just that you know one of those ones are just doing a kind of straightforward interview when I was an interview Michael Gove on the breakfast program and we go into all sorts of areas we were talking about how possible to leave a 2nd referendum we were talking about homelessness trust integrity in politics all those kind of things and we were talking about whether the Boris Johnson would do an interview with Andrew Neil Have a listen to the head of one to 10 what's the chance of the Andrew Neil interview with Boris Johnson happening just give us a number I think the number would be 793 double for double 3 that's the downing street number and you ring the problem is that I respected him as one team he will know or she will know what the prime minister is going to do I'm not the prime minister's die recently could of course of problems that might jam the switchboards it was just such a weird moment we see coming with this number he gave out and then all of a sudden I realised people were calling. Yeah I'll rise to the challenge this is what you hear if you find that number. I know you have reached the Downing Street switchboard Please hold for an operator yeah pretty straightforward stuff and then it all started kind of it bonkers because the story was going all over the place and he had said this and all on social media and clearly then more people started finding the number I'm assuming because then after that interview this is what you know here. You have reached the Downing Street switchboard we are unable to give out any information relating to the Prime Minister's diary. For an operator the way he says . He will say I rate. You in my cook crush the switchboard Warburton goes viral I'm not going to pay for taking any responsibility for it so you know better but I mean I imagine the 1st people would think How could it change the message you know and try finding it this morning I don't know but I think we should just leave them to be absolutely honest because I quite liked. Some suggestion he was talking to age yeah lunch time he said he said you just got. Through to the prime minister that was so suddenly so slightly confused that Michael Gove's would know that number off by heart the switchboard that any one of us would call he would have had a more direct number. Can you hold this to go 15 minutes later he's still listening to the music. And I write itself to get the news from digital b.b.c. Sound small space. B.b.c. Radio 5 Live Boris Johnson and Jeremy Colgan about campaigning this morning after last night's final televised leaders' debate before the general election Labor's promising to electrify the U.K.'s buses over the next decade the conservatives are pledging more than 500000000 pounds for grassroots football as part of a 2030 World Cup it's lawyers for the British who lost his defamation case against Eagle mask after he called him pedo guy says the. His decision isn't good for society the Tesla boss said he didn't mean the comments to be taken literally but Vernon's worth said he felt humiliated firefighters in Australia struggling to bring a massive fire north of Sydney under control they're warning that it could take weeks to extinguish what they've dubbed the mega blaze and today marks the end of an era for Britain's longest running rail franchise the Virgin Trains which has operated the West Coast Main Line since 997 is running its final services before new operator of West Coast takes over tomorrow you know having little around the top of the program about about the the annoying announcements and the buffet car particularly although the shop as they call it one of our producers said so the other pet hate is afraid or unable to take cards today because the card machine isn't and so just the point we're all kind of going cash is a couple of weeks ago on the train thinking test for coffee test for coffee I sit down for the count you. Cast together seriously caffeine deprived and actually we haven't even touched on what a hello Euston can sometimes be but that's for another take at the moment well part that out for another day. Right let's talk about today football and the boxing of course and the boxing of course Joshua's shot at redemption is finally here the British heavyweight has the chance to win back his will title belts from and erase junior when they meet in Riyadh this evening Joshua will entering 10 pounds lighter than he was back in June when the Mexican star to me in the 7th will form a super middleweight world champion Richie Woodall reckons that Joshua's strategy will be different this time he will go back to using lots of jobs lots and keeping the punchy straight lots of straight punches and maintaining a gap of says he'll move on I think it will be very very important starts I think not jobs going to go and I want to just see a big gap between him and Ruiz I can hear Rob a crack and say just keep them punchy straight and whatever you do don't let him get away for this one you can err on 5 Live the saving of course Bill. Up starts from 8 o'clock the ring work expected run about 9 and the Premier League's bottom club have appointed Nigel Pearson is their new manager until the end of the season he won't actually take charge of the team against Crystal Palace the satin in that role goes to the under $23.00 coach Hayden Mullins But Pearson's 1st game in charge will be a nice easy one against Liverpool next week the league latest themselves in fact travelling to Bournemouth today the country match on 5 live for you from 3 pm at half past 5 the champions Manchester City host Manchester United is only going to sold shy side 9 points behind their local rivals the Norwegian though says The expected to be a close match bunches of Darby's are always special special games of course we're all for it fans are up for it they were fantastic at home and I'm sure we'll hear them on the Saturday as well Tottenham who lost to Manchester United to midweek host Burnley the Saturday Mountie Joe same Renia says that they need to put Wednesday's defeat behind them and remember how good there was of players with quality great human dressing room like because very very much what we need to change that feeling of shooting story about our mistakes feelings. Results we need to be more than we need to be in rugby union's Champions Cup Clermont are then came from behind to win 3417 at Bath Edinburgh be WASPs 3120 in the Challenge Cup and at the u.k. Snoo could championship Steve Maguire Matthew Stevens by 6 frames to 4 to book a semi final against Mark Alan Alan came through a final frame decided against the veteran Nigel bond strongly edging early on some really Percy a face that night Nigel dictate the pace of playing out a bit of a warm soft end of all one had some balls the 1st of a balls a streak of the interval than any match so today we have a rhythm back and. I was hoping to break it frame 5 and can really remember. For every holiday over the island this is the 2nd semifinal and York the seething the 1st semifinal is an old Chinese affair inside between the 2 time when it playing the 19 year old young being towel on Tiger Woods will go into the final round of the hero will challenge in the Bahamas today just 2 shots off the lead the u.s. Open champion Gary Woodland holds heads rather the field on 13 under par this is b.b.c. Radio 5 Live on digital b.b.c. Sounds small street guy from Omar. Jenkins has the weather this morning morning Kyle a very good morning to you mostly cloudy across Scotland today early showers fading the rain will moving from the west through the day tending heavy in the north in the West than all the sunshine in a few showers perhaps wintry across Shetland with the cloud increasing in the afternoon and the wind strengthening across all of Scotland through this often 8 and into this evening Northern Ireland will be mainly cloudy dry for a time but patchy rain spreading in ahead of heavy rain which arrive into western areas by early evening increasingly windy to the England and Wales a few showers around this morning these will tend to fade to leave most with a dry day sunshine this morning particularly. Felt it in from the west this afternoon a strengthening breeze by the end of the day comes a few spots of rain into the far west by the Safe think temperatures across the u.k. And generally 7 to 10 Celsius the self to name a few degrees cooler than over Scotland up to 11 or 12 Celsius Fos of South Wales and the Channel Islands and then heading west and windy for all of us overnight as the rain face some very strong winds developing. Across the u.k. This is b.b.c. 5 my brother 1st. So 3 days to go until Christmas still to panic here or anything like that but if you don't want to sit down and shop online if you fed up with just clicking your mouse and waiting for the the packages to roll in. All not as the case may be then go to your local small businesses that's the message today it's Small Business Saturday it's been running since 2013 is a campaign and the idea is that it only Sunday 3 for Christmas go to local shops and give them some of your love and some of your money so if you do that then would love to hear from you and if you run a small business why did you start it Jules Bailey runs grub in Manchester it's a street food in craft a venue and a set up still a Christmas market for independent trade is as well Morning Jules and I and Terry and Tad runs the dressing room which is a women's fashion shop instant old ones Halle Berry and hi nice to have you both with us this morning I would like you to pose talk to each other as well on this busy Saturday what are you doing at this time on a Saturday morning when we're so close to Christmas chills and I'm well I'm normally it's time anyway forgot a little boy he's long so we can hear him. As they possibly Job it. Go I'm sorry to interrupt so yeah no we would normally Yeah actually be a. Time of year for us there's always so much to do so it's almost like a blessing to have you get you know because they wish at the dairy and how about you you what time do you do you open this morning we have 10 at night that day I'd like Joe's also have an. Ok he gets me out for it but yeah we're always on a. Time if it's small business it's so important you know it's it's a k.j. In the retail shopping calendar now so and so yeah we're all older all and still waiting for this to come in and hopefully have a great shopping experience with us I should ask your son school as well. Excellent job is in the air joining Jules and Jerry I don't need anyone. So why is this such a crucial time I mean do you think do you see a real rush at this time of year an increase or you do. Pray for a big increase dairy on at this time of year we send the day I think December full . Retail businesses is kind of that came a calendar month way you rating need to make you know you can make majority of your profit in December of a perfectly honest and we have on live as well so we do you know the people come to our online side of the business but it's it's just it's that time where what I don't understand is why people do discount souls on Black Friday and things like that because December is the time of year where people will go out and shop you're almost guaranteed that people will shop because they want to buy presents I want to have that great Christmas shopping experience so you know you've just got it might show that you offer them a great experience that they're going to kind of come out and say you know I say you know tame and enjoy coming to kind of get those gifts for their family and I think that's basically what independent state best is kind of offering that quite shocking experience a Jules we mentioned that you've got this it's a you got grubby will sickle store you go branches g.o.p. Is knows how to make a just because it is so still the idea behind if we wanted to open mike util independent market where all the trade is here with that you can sort of look into the eyes and speak to the person who's made the product that you're buying So for example we've got to amass chocolates with us today who are making chocolate that they've literally made from scratch from the beans right up to the bar so it's kind of like a diary and that really the experience you can get on the High Street where you can just speak the piss Newsnight product you buy in and everybody's local as well and you know everybody's back because of that you get that really really atmosphere where everyone's very passionate about what they're selling and you can speak to them about the process it is and also you know you supporting a tiny little local independent and that money's going to go straight back into the economy and to support you know that children and things like that and. The idea behind a Christmas markets always a good thing Terry and they help people to they. Sometimes he names and I think anything that adds to kind of the local town experience can only be a good thing I think sometimes Christmas markets so. Wonderfully and sometimes that I'm not so I well I think you know and I think that kind of gives people a race and go wow this is the local high straight face say that you know that independent retailers as well as you know that mine high streets as well because we all need to chop the to thrive at the end of the day you know and I think I think yeah Christmas markets are lovely I dare oocytes say when I'm up on a margin that is quite it's quite good jewels that you're feeding people to because it is I think you're more likely to go and buy something pops is a little bit of a you know an impulse buy if you've got a nice glass of something inside you know and yeah we always have plenty of mulled wine can you think that people. This is this is what Chris if you do the Christmas as well as what I always find that this is this is always the issue that you know a glass of mulled wine you buy Also So you think I would. Actually I'm going to be going to go visit says I'm going to be going into the mine just a market someone jewels you you've got a good thing on some arm you're thinking of public along with our friends from down south Yeah every group we know. Yeah. Sounds good to have been doing just that so I was see a bit. I'm sorry and if somebody is instant opens today and they want they want to pop into the dressing room what are going to your big sellers this Christmas what's going well at the moment paper loving kind of the whole sustainable element of some of our parts but not a sustainable store at so what we do have some projects in and we've got trying to Browncoat fights which is kind of a neighbor and my man that everybody is what I'm saying so well that hopefully lots of lucky ladies are going to be treated so they have a Christmas and then just general. Lots of excess arrays I had bands randomly having a moment at my so lots of hair accessories and things like that so there's lots of kind of like gift ideas but a paper I love playing the how train a trend at the sustainability at the moment which is great. In my local high street there's a Christmas shopping event every year and it's the way it was last Friday it was well I wasn't lost last night it was last night in fact I popped ounce and you know and lots of shops stay up until well later 8 o'clock 7 All in all small high street and all these court because that quite a lot of the shops in our high street are occupied by state agents that's the way of the world because the rents to so high but at least they are they are giving people a lot of free alcohol so the free booze is being handed out but looms for the kids alcohol for the parents and they then went down the street and bought lots of things in the shops and they were really busy that I noticed walking past that lots of the small independent shops in our high street were really really busy and actually do something that's coordinated that's organized is that the way to get people in do you think do you need the local community to come together Jules Yes definitely we were saying if that for example whenever we show started growth we opened in a place where all the local breweries let And you know some of that route we kind of all talked together and realized that actually it was going to be making it and to be at the destination where people would go from one group to the other that was something to eat and it went really well so I think it's definitely seen as an area has a few few things for people to visit makes that area more desirable and so will the local independent schoolteacher the 3. Final quick word to both of you Jules you've got Jarvis we've had Gerry and you've got Leo they're both one at the moment so what are they getting for Christmas it's Ok but they've been so good I haven't seen a disaster presents adjustments What's top of the list for Jarvis absolutely love books so well it's very. Twinkle twinkle book song instrument Thank you fantastic and Barry and what's what's on Leo's list he's got a haze he's in the kitchen couplets up for him and Little many little kids in high finding that he's going to put a nice cup but I'm. Sure you do if you do realize you're going to be having to act up. In a cafe and. Say oh yeah yeah yeah well. I thought you were going to say I thought it was such a festive cupboard lol. Yeah yeah very. Lovely thing to produced Ok thank you both so much for joining us this morning Small Business Saturday so I was celebrating all small businesses would love to hear from you if you set up a small business and how it's going and why this is such an important time of year is what I mean it's obvious isn't it because it's December and you're going to have to get lots of people through the doors and that was just by you by the way he runs grub in Manchester which is street food new and dairy on top Tod He runs the dressing room installed and you're right if you've gone into that you know it's such a he might have it is a dream all of your life and then to actually take that step get the financing put the effort in is such a big kind of life step isn't it so be lovely to hear from me if if it's if it's been a while you wished for I suppose to get in touch 85058646 though this is a fun blog breakfast but a travel news to tell you about this morning a keeping an eye on the situation on the m 25 in particular in Essex and sequel clause is likely to remain closed until the day after a crane collapse across the carriage by yesterday junction 27 foot tapping causing all sorts of disruption as you would well imagine one lane has reopened clockwise so we'll keep an eye on what the implications of all and keep you updated through the day. Nightfall it was one. The biggest upsets in the history of heavyweight boxing day were. To your. Head on Saturday night Anthony Joshua has a chance to regain his title was against Andy Ruiz today it's not about a little bit it's just about me isn't my legacy here on the field for the. B.b.c. Sound like you would be doing tonight b.b.c. Radio 5 or. 647 is the Chris and older Chris Warburton Have you ever had the norovirus or something that's the sort of question you begin evening and sing for ages you haven't had the make clear exactly you haven't had it. Yeah I've had bugs yeah you will have haven't we and it's this that we talked about this last week didn't we were talking about the norovirus it's particularly bad this time of schools closing all over the place and it's all about it's all about hand hygiene isn't it that's how you've got to try and deal with it because there's now more than a 1000 hospital beds in England. Taken up because of norovirus if you've not got it the winter vomiting bug. You've probably got some other Brava altering. Those sick kids not at the moment we have been speaking to snot expert Dr Kerry Harrop about the start of the germ she knows all this stuff she's got a Ph d. In the properties of mucus and she knows just why we need snort it is to protect our waste from the outside world say anywhere our insides come into contact with the outside world we have a layer of I mean the airways is small so you me every time you breathe in and out which is something most of us don't think about we're breathing in old school folks in germs and things that could potentially make this incredibly ill and that layer of not is that a trap that staff and kicked out of our race. Why did children have caused so much of it. Is. Always a joyous time of year as well as well the problem is that children come into contact with lots of other children and because there's not really talking about the moment it's really caused by a virus which causes the common cold and viruses ever changing so while one child will get one version of that virus you know it's refuge a cell and commence contact with another child not a slightly different version of it is that younger than us and like being around the last time they've kind of come into contact with fewer of these viruses so bless them despite our best efforts they continually pick up told us to call after cold particularly this time of year and we've all seen those kids with the streaming noses I mean I've seen it where a child a baby has done a massive sneeze the snow is just run down and into their mouth and they just you know. What And now when you see a child with a finger outside knows what do you tell how do you presumably you don't want them to ingest that stuff is there a problem if they do the so basically as long as the mucus not is still moving and he's getting rid of those germs although it's disgusting it's doing its job and everything's fine you can get into some real excuse the pun sticky situations if. If the stock actually doesn't move out there are ways and you can get a lot of secondary infections so you don't need because itself is made of lots of sugar coated and proteins our national life should we know is kind attack 8 so it will trap the bugs and if we can't clear that from our notions from our lungs we can get some quite nasty infection say actually that is not moving out and getting the kids to play their noses in clear outlays folks and nasties is a really good thing to carry her if she knows her stuff she does and so you need to know what I want to hear it because she doesn't know that. Yet if you're struggling at the moment in your house then you have my sympathies because it's like when one person goes down the whole house goes down a lot of the time doesn't it early in the. This is not the time for a will of the stress an onerous of in the run up to Christmas so yes. Thank you let's move on from snow yes we can talk about Christmas trees in the moment because we've got you know it's a festive feel about Saturday Breakfast is always a part from the politics of the boxing and we'll talk about Christmas trees when is the best time to buy a Christmas tree if you get a real one if you have a fake one then obviously then any any time is a good time to put up your Christmas tree but but we'll talk about the best time to choose your real Christmas tree but before we do that as many as 100 wildfires are burning across the Australian state of New South Wales and what's described as a mega fire is raging some 40 miles from the city of Sydney it's believed the goal spose mountain mega fire will burn for many weeks Ronnie Hayman from a.b.c. News in Sydney spoke to does not buy a short time ago Sydney itself is blanketed with smoke from these fires which of pain then in for the last couple of weeks but out on the 5 firefighters bracing for more due to rewriting conditions this afternoon and over the next few days with more than he said 95 standing across the state of New South Wales. This season because of these fires we've had 6 bushfire related deaths we've had almost 700 high and destroyed across the state but just north of northwest of Sydney of self the country's sort of most populated region firefight is about doing what's being called a mega blaze a large out of control 5 which is standing around 300000 text is and firefighters say that this blaze cannot be distinguished extinguished rather some residents around the 5 pane of evacuating and just to give you a bit of context around the breasts of this fire it's actually double the size of Great a London. Some mega fire as you describe it to me. In Sydney Can you see the smoke can you feel the effects of the smoke from the yes certainly over the last couple of weeks there has been steak smoke sort of blanketing the city the city of Sydney as self you know people have had. Folding in their backyard we've had blackened leaves pulling in our backyards from this side which some people there is leaves and ash of troubled golden 100 kilometers. Around the state itself. We've had about $1600000.00 hectares of land which is about 10 percent of the landmass of England itself which is gone up in smoke. And there's the smoke that sort of lingering in the is causing a lot of health problems for people here in Sydney. And breast the tree problems there's been a spike in the number of people going to hospital emergency departments 30 percent spike so it is it is quiet debilitating for a lot of people believe in Sydney and it's around and that was Ronnie Heyman from a.b.c. News in Sydney speaking to just not a bio magnifier about 14 months and since he in Sydney now I wonder if this is that we can get a train of evil where he got your tree where in that situation to set our house for the moment and. It's a situation you have to have it like a showroom. Like in some kind of hotel well something normal life doesn't exist so having a tree within that is always so we can't possibly do that to the kids and it's addressed in a very very well as Good Housekeeping kind of way so we can get a treat. Maybe Is this the optimum we can put the Christmas tree up say the Lions is the managing director of the Jade cliff Group Limited the limited in a Christmas tree grow. A wholesaler and she considers about all things to do with Christmas trees Good morning say good morning good morning how's how things go in this year oh very well we've had a great quality Why isn't. Picking up a little bit something to do with the real versus fake and all the plastic negativity how many trees do you deal with each year we deal with about $80000.00 trees a year Ok and they will grow grown in where they grow they're usually grown or through the u.k. We do source with the u.k. Actual certain species that don't go well in the u.k. Such as Welsh coal and Opal but the majority of our trees are you can grow one of the side was the biggest tree that you have in your armory where the biggest tree we do is about 30 we do the registry entry every minute trail peroration and so we sort of used to handling from the very source smallest up to about 30 feet with a specially that must be a stressful operation as well as you know I'm always very happy with not one but. You can ask you say about the tree in Trafalgar Square the the the one that's don't give in every year by Norway Yeah it's the Norwegian spruces that it is yes because I saw some stuff on b.b.c. News website about this yesterday saying that he looks at the sun and. You know what's gone wrong with that tree. And yeah well they had a really lucky. Tree When was it forget that every growing season is different and sometimes in the handling of the trees for such a big tree get broken branches that you can't help so I think it's the fact that it's being gifted I think we shouldn't lose sight of that. That's very that's the great for. This is this is one of my annual things Sadia me people who listened to the program probably this for. They lost you will know that this is something I'm little bit obsessed with is it true that it doesn't really matter when you buy your Christmas tree because they're all cars at the same time that pretty much every Christmas tree that you buy if you're going to your garden center or to the pop up Christmas Tree Shops that are in your local high street they've all been cut right to the end of November so the best thing to do is to buy them as early as possible put them in a bucket of water and then take them into your house afterwards is that true I said No I think they are cut through because you can't harvest everything in one go because it's normative numbers and there has to be a rotational system which we certainly use to all sort of host. Situation in new Berry there are the options of going to a Christmas tree farm and obviously then your stock is a lot fresher because they cutting daily and you can see the trees in the plantations and certainly the Bush Christmas tree growers so you see a sion sort of pushing that more and more because it's an experience that people really enjoy as a 20 if it's not necessarily fresher than one the boys on the 7th can be because of the rotational harvest and but the advice is the media pushing sales earlier and earlier and so your trees are requested into this garden centers and shops because Christmas starts early years ago when my father ran the business we didn't sell a Christmas tree and on the wholesale 2 after the 6 November that was when everything was no way spruce before those sort of needle drop and he's gaining So I think everyone's following the social media trends off we've got to get the tree in it's got to be in now this weekend coming we would anticipate to be the largest sales weekend last weekend was certainly very good to an on off that the 15th we find generally that people's attention turns to food and so it's like ticking a box for a lot of people these days we do this they do that. And it's now. Always the best reasons to do it but it's the country now tends to be if you haven't got an absolute ton of money you know you go to garden center wherever it might be a pick it up your Christmas tree and they're all looking pretty similar What is there any kind of guidance that you can give as what to look for to get a winner. I think garden centers what any any way you go it depends away you go to the tree and you'll view our. Oval. All. Sent to Norway spruce So I find that people choose a tree depending on where they're going to put in the house and she said you're only using said she you know it might be a trait that you can actually pick up or cut down but it's a case of horses for courses really Yeah all right Ok Well good luck with the rest of it thanks very much indeed for your time today that's the law ends she knows her Christmas trees so you need to have fun finding yours to die. When you. Play nearly anyone and this b.b.c. Radio. Good morning it's 7 o'clock you're listening to 5 Live a Saturday Breakfast with Ellen Oldroyd and Chris Warburton there are 2 fights in town never mind Colvin versus Johnson what about Joshua Ruiz 2 Yes looking forward to that one we have full coverage of it and I just was 2nd chance to be raised and of course Manchester is bragging rights are up for grabs on a day pass as were urged to shop smaller for Christmas we want to hear your stories of why you started out you'll small business and how you get it. Is b.b.c. . Boris Johnson and Jeremy Colvin and making fresh election pledges off their final televised head to head before polling day a Hugo poll gave the prime minister a narrow victory Labor wants to electrify old u.k. Buses by 2030 while the Tories are promising more money for grassroots football as part of a bid to host the World Cup in 2038 will Musk says his faith in humanity has been restored after a jury cleared him of defaming a British cave expert who we called a paedo go on Twitter that has the founder said it wasn't an accusation. Worth 145000000 pounds in damages. Linwood this verdict sends a signal and one signal that you can make any accusation you want to as it may be as damaging as it may be as untrue as it may be. And somebody can get away with it a 15 year old girl has been charged after Katherine Jenkins was mugged when she went to help an elderly woman being robbed in the street in southwest London the teenagers accused of robbery and assault on a police officer firefighters in Australia say a mega blaze burning north of Sydney can currently be put out around 8 fires are thought to have merged covering a 37 mile area Virgin trains will run its final service on the West Coast Main Line later after more than 20 is it was blocked from bidding again for the franchise of anti west coast is taking and the n.c. Clockwise stretch of the m 25 in Essex will remain closed until at least lunchtime after a crane toppled over yesterday but one of the clockwise lines has reopened around junction 27 for Epping and we were having a little rant when we had here on about about top of the buffet car on fashion trains which we will know quite well and the tendency to list every single item of stock that the train manager has on board we've had this text from the Brighton he says Be thankful you have refreshments on your train service se and trains don't supply any less complaining plays that will be almost high for the morning nail less complaining will say between now and not a clock. Was soaking about the boxing this is really kind of do or die time for Anthony Joshua isn't it because if he loses I think my Costello said it will be a long long way back for exactly what is left for him it won't come to that but as you say it's a clash of styles this is the problem the you know the shorter guy you would think would be pretty straightforward for a world class heavyweight but not always the case styles make fights and this is why it's so interesting so. Looking that full commentary of course the scene with my Castello and the team from Riyadh it is Dobbie day city hosting United this time so we will have updates on that for you from $530.00 and of course the leaders Liverpool to the south coast today to take on board with yoga stressing that he's not concerned in the slightest about being the special one being top of the Christmas tree but we shall see coverage they don't thank you very much indeed talking to leaders talking about big fights there's a couple of big fights in town never mind Joshua Ruiz to warn about Corbin Johnson who went head to head last night you might have been watching you might have been listening will Moyet has joined us chief executive of full facts to sift through some of what was said last night Hello Will. Good morning how did you find as a spectacle 1st of all can I ask Well I'm sorry your previous caller asked for less complaining please I'm not sure I'm going to satisfy him very much the context of this debate is of course both parties manifestos going from g.b. To Northern Ireland and there have been contradictory comments haven't there between the prime minister and Stephen Barclay for example the br.