Other call it religious sect or perhaps religious cult I compared it to the endless It's got some very very strong forms not least from Olivia Colman who is good in everything it's Oh I enjoyed this film I thought it was it I always knew it was a small release and a small audience but it's worth seeking as you get a chance and I'm in sulphide I've just been to see them that followed and my interest having mean picked by Mark's review them the fall is a film that somehow manages to be both tightly wound and slow burning a searing melodrama grounded by a solemn tone and terrific acting from an excellent cast I give my mention that it reminded him of the similarly themed. Rethink from an accident cost changes out what. What was that that was my phone interacting with with me and I think that's a very bad thing but you seriously was trying to find it thought I was asking it to find something that was this strange is thing Ed's there listening you know well in the case of your phone they are listening. Mark mention that remind him of the simile theme to the endless but it lacked the lighter touch of said film instead bringing me to mind the super Martha Marcy May Marlene a film with which it shares much of its unsettling d.n.a. Overall I thought it was an extremely accomplished and fairly engrossing film and while as Mark said it won't be a for everybody I urge anyone with a passing interest in the subject matter to track it down how interesting that that happened during discussion of a film about religious cults who believe in weird sneaky magic. Sneaky magic they believe in snake magic but they they one of the ways they test their faith is by putting poisonous snakes around their necks believing that their faith will prevent them from being bitten by the snakes does it know now Ok just checking number 18 is in the top 10 count at La Bella Polk I think we have a yes we want to say I think we have a lovely sense. I think we have a lovely correspond we do Richard Garnett just seen Park wonderful new beautiful funny sad moving and so one of the friends you see a voiceover artist or. I just run in the UK anyway what are you doing now would you like to come to the local who now where I think I have a crime Des Moines precinct quasi And I don't think I'm going to see that film about Michael that would be good for my image. My name is gone it reached God. It's in the Bill of public so I mean I like the free for I really love the ballot but why didn't sound anything like that 6150 Judy in Punch is it 16 we still know in the 10 I mean again a very interesting idea very strong performances didn't quite have the magic that it needed to lift it to the next level but it was all the elements were kind of in the right place it just never quite jailed for me although there are individual things that particularly the use of the puppet show which I think actually is very well done Francesca says Martin Savidge in the eighty's my dad was a street entertainer who while performing in Covent Garden defriended a Punch and Judy perfect as we asked about this where it is actually come from Explain that the show traditionally reflects political and social issues of the time which is why his version contains Judy venturing to her weekly bingo game and burning her bra Well I enjoyed the films Kick-Ass climax featuring I think will go further than me I agree with Mark that Julian punch never found its feet after the central moment yes perhaps because I was expecting something more dark and mystical On the other hand the film still has some good laughs and I found the Damon Harriman's embodiment of the egotistical abusive punch made me feel uncomfortable to the point his very screen presence put me on edge yes there I think that's that's very well also thanks to the costumes and sound editing at times it felt more like being at the theater rather than at the cinema or the more along the lines of a good warm up for Panta season thank you for keeping me company when I am going down with the lying sausage eaters and hello to Jason. We're still not in the tent because Harriet is 12 which I liked This is based on the true story of a slave turned from an abolitionist heart Tubman I think it's got very very strong Central Falls by Cynthia revoke I think it's very well there it's because it's I think it's a shame that it has been somewhat overlooked by the press because I I think it deserves a wider audience and it looks like it's getting if it's only going in at number 10 how many screens is it playing on 100. 91 screen so on a little bit but not too late she screams so I think it should Amber that I think yes I think it I think it wasn't given the attention it deserved so Harrison 12 number 10 Sean the shape movie farm again I think we've kind of your loved it loved it loved it loved it molestus and mistress of ether Hill Yeah not crazy about it it's despite the fact that the way you say the word molester seems Addams Family is a day still haven't heard a lie or is it 7 year joke or is it say we've all wrong thing to do is Ok fine joke that much to be said on both sides but I liked it 21 bridges at 5 I thought this was a good solid lead on a list b. Picture again I saw some sniffy reviews of it but in much the same way as black and blue I thought the efficiency with which it told it's you know it is it's absolutely a b. Movie plot crime happens they shut down and they close the 21 bridges they've got a time frame they have to work through the message only until 5 o'clock and then one of the Law little addicted to it quite well although the dialogue is super ripe and there is an awful lot of scenery showing by the calls but that's kind of in keeping with the tone of the film the splendidly named Jacob Hirsch Korn Hi I'm Jacob has come. Just like to tell you what I think. Anyway you imagine Jacob's voice Yes exactly anyway he signs off overall I was thoroughly disappointed the film Oh ended up developing into cheap action scene after a cheap action scene with every shot fired by the protagonist hitting his opponent squarely between the eyes whereas hundreds of other highly trained officers could not aim if their lives depended on it which is something I think we've seen in quite a few for us that is over these various points in the film the music would swell indicating that it was a moment of tension but I was left feeling no adrenaline fueled fear at all disappointed said such a however you're wrong and Mark and I like to say that there we got it that. 66 is a number for really good fun and I didn't know that particular story I thought there was a lot of joy to be had in the relationship between 2 characters. Everyone's talked about Christian Bale I think Matt Damon carries the movie I think he's he has the slightly more difficult part because the Matt Damon the Matt Damon role is the weirdly the kind of the slightly less sympathetic one and he's the way you're meant to sort of absolutely look at the question broke at center of I thought it was really good so a couple of interesting points here one is from Giles Brown my father raced at the moment in 1969 there's a glimpse of Steve McQueen standing by my dad's car during the Recchi for his limo from the following year in McQueen the man and limo film a few years ago my dad took me to the moment as a kid I guess he was also the manager among in 1903 as a small boy some of my earliest memories are of walking around the paddock and sitting in motor homes at race meetings so as soon as I saw the trailers for the mall 66 it was obvious that I had to see this film with my dad I lived in Marbella on and off since the mid eighties and can confirm that we're not all orange because medically enhanced have the i.q. Less than your average Tapper and never call this rather beautiful place. Mobs we don't say that mob so when I saw your local multi-screen cinema imports a bonus was showing the most 66 we decided that this would be a perfect father and son experience much as your father did yeah I think we took our 5 pm showing on a Wednesday with only 8 other people in the cinema the 1st sound of the cars echoing around I got that tingle of excitement that I used to get as a 10 year old sec it's a man of petrol head I love the film chatting to Dad on the way back to the car it too is a Ford they were last of the focus rather than 40 he also said it had been better than he'd expected and they'd got some of the period detail right especially the open pit lane where mechanics would change wheels while other cars flew past at 150 miles an hour and he also remembered thundering down the face some will send straight My dad raced long distance sports cars in the sixty's and seventy's at a time when racing was extremely dangerous and he lost many of his friends before retiring after his 1st race in a Ferrari in 73 as a small boy growing up with a racing father the film struck a note and I found myself having a Kermit moment as it's known after saying goodbye to my dad and sitting alone in the car it was an absolutely perfect petrolhead dad and Lad movie Thanks Charles and Dave Greene in last breath a nasty cold meant that I could spend the weekend catching up with the pod cast whilst being very brave at home this as ever was very entertaining until I got to the podcast on the 15th of not of when you played a clip of Christian Bale from fold the Ferrari what accent is that you are slamming which Simon said it sounded like East Midlands Leicester Nazi Mahdavi warts Well I should have shouted but I was more of a goggled crow because I was bullied I'm afraid you have accidently me ended up my hill. In East Midlands x. I have to say is it a hill or hill upon which your bad and dull an East Midlands accent is nothing like a West Midlands accent something that I know very well but I'll explain. Ok so neither was Christian Bale really most of the clips I've seen but in that clip he was clearly attempting in a silly West Midlands accent East Midlands is closer to a soft Yorkshire. The West Midlands particularly the tendency to put on the end of valves instead of the so the excellent footballer Jamie Valdez and Leicester legends Kasabian are known to chant. Time and time again film and television to pick less their accents to be like the West Midlands and each time I absolutely have no one to correct until now I did have the opportunity in the summer to congratulate the great and lovely Jason Isaacs are not being Brummie. For Leicester accent in an audiobook that he did however the confused look he gave me in fact that nearly every other character Yorkshire accent did make me think for a brief moment it was a fluke so spread the word East Midlands is not the same as West Midlands although both are pretty awesome and I am a doctor anywhere I should say I lived in Notting for years so I know very well and he's been in Saxon sounds like and so that's why when I listen to that clip I thought that's what it sounded like a Russian say that and when you said is that what that is I said Well actually technically technically West Midlands because that's where it's meant to be all the vat the fact of the matter is that Christian Bale's accent does go on a large walking tour of the district Yes and it crosses several boundaries during a very few sentences in a way that I mean one of the things I said in my review was that it's a testament to how well the film works that Christian purpose wondering accent doesn't put me off I just kind of thought that's fine last Christmas is a number 2 and I think we've got to have got some correspond I'm aware that Ok we're not going to talk about the story Oh I do but you upon my mistake Lamar's in I'm a 4 year Blue Stories in a mystery my apologies because a Blue story came out last week and you'll probably know you will have read all the reports you know the allegations of disturbances in the malls than it being pulled by cinema chain and then the cinema sort of pretty quickly being accused of racism for doing that and then the cinema chain and changing their minds and now it appears to be back in cinemas so I saw the film last week before any of this stuff broke I mean my own feeling was it wasn't for me and I wasn't crazy about it but the one thing I did think was that there is no suggestion of other there's any suggestion by anybody that the film is anything other than a condemnation of violence and particularly I meet a very sort of straightforward well known story 2 people who know each other grow up together and then are torn apart by the postcode of where they live and therefore rival gangs become involved and they are set against each other and for me I found that I found the film a little bit on the nose but it already had I mean the. I managed to secure access on You Tube and I'm very very aware that the film is not aimed at me and my surprise that what happened was that because the film is very clear the film is absolutely a film which says violence is a bad thing and talk and clearly it's appealing to you know a very very widespread audience and it absolutely is very clear in its message its message is violence is a bad thing and it needs something that needs to be dealt with Dave McMillan I saw this film last Friday morning and found it quite affecting there were all double gasps and appropriate time subs for members of the audience I watched it with and I thought it did a good job of highlighting the issues that burrows of London are up against that may not be fully understood around the rest of the country this is not a story of gangland violence that headlines may have led you to believe this week instead it is a story of how even the most innocent a good kids may be dragged into a world they are desperate to escape I think exactly so Dave thank you very much indeed now I'm aware that we've got needed support coming up so Ok I'm frozen to is number one last Christmas you kind of dealt with I think I mean we all are it's doing well it's doing no absolutely no you know as well as we predicted it might do and I have some e-mails here which say on the one hand this and then the other hand that last Christmas is a number 2 and I think we've sort of done with that I mean no we did I mean it's has done well it's found an audience that has been now knocked over the off the top spot my frozen 2 which is kind of one surprising but it's done pretty well it's dropped 15 percent so you know it's found a New Orleans but it's not a runaway hit but on the one hand one star reviews on the other hand it was a number one film so I'm glad we put in all the cabbie at the v. There absolutely but we said at the time you know it is very likely that it will find all these iced all the preist all the problems I have with it still stand Ok James l. And pepper in Norwich my wife and I have just got home from a Saturday morning screening of frozen 2 in a pack to view in orange it was a 3 year old Pippa's 1st fi. The length cinema outing and as a big fan of the 1st installment her anticipation was palpable I wanted to send through a lobby correspondent recording so people could tell you what she thought but when the film finished her tears started cuddling up to mom she just said I just love frozen I just love frozen I just love frozen all 3 of us thought the film was super and dare I say even better than the 1st the story was excellent with a thorough theme I could compare with Pocahontas Samoa and the new songs were just as mesmerizing in places I'm already planning when to go again to book 8 my daughters adrenaline come down it's a morning I remember for a long long time in the experience I hoped it would be O'Con tresses mango tree bugs. I have just got home after take my 8 year old daughter Autumn to see Frozen to autumn has been excited for weeks about seeing this film as she loved frozen I think I must have seen it 643 times as it was on constant repeat when we 1st got it on d.v.d. Considering the 1st film was so good it was a shock to find the same cast director and writers could stray so far in the sequel The plot is now so complex that for the entire drive home autumn is asking me why certain things happened in the problem was I couldn't tell or there's nothing in the plot seemed to hang together or make any coherent sense Frozen was a film filled with joy fun and catchy songs and all these are missing from frozen to the film is overly dark and downright miserable in places. Autumn is an avid cinema go and normally when we come out of a film she will ask when it will be out on d.v.d. And can we bided speaks volumes that when we came out of the cinema today she told me she did not want to watch that film again. I mean he's definitely on the one hand this and on the other hand I mean I was I was I was kind of lukewarm about it was not frozen Pan was terrible by any means but I just I thought that we. Lacked a certain spark for me but it is interesting that some people have had such a you know such a powerful response to both sides do we have a lobby correspondent I think we do his Claire Doogan and daughter. Ok and I thought it was get to chaps to have as succinct and yeah exactly do that again with that is so perfect that we can play that twice what do we want from a lobby correspondent reference or something like this. And I thought of his get to chaps Ok thanks See that's it you can get that you can go as far as how you do it you can do 8 seconds if you want but in a way that is not useful so that's 2 voices in 4 seconds and we know exactly what they thought of the film we do it's just that captured the moment Ok so if you want to get in touch b.b.c. Don't use it as a professional broadcaster would have struggled to top that I don't think I would have been able to talk you know you said I think this what do you think Mark and you said I agree with Simon something Lima is there anything is that yes there is loads of stuff new so Charlie's Angels this is the latest reboot incarnation of you know what was once a seventy's t.v. Series written directed by Elizabeth Banks who is you know I got a real force for change in a mile dominated Hollywood interest or encourage Kristen Stewart. And me Scott. So the plot concerns the theft of a new energy source which is capable of being weaponized and therefore sold on the black market so rival angels really was arranged to be here and I missed team up with a new recruits and I know he was blowing the whistle on the company because she was the person who designed the energy source and then realized it was a potential glitch in it that could make it weaponized and as a result of that she suddenly finds herself on the receiving end of some very dangerous attention from On the one hand some very very bad people and on the other hand from the angels and they want her to come and join them in the fight against wickedness is positively curious. To take whatever I want Laura. Is an actual room Ok so you want to start with protect you basically you're never commanded to get a terminal and. Some kind of pollen on material but 1st come to set money on it was originally developed as a protective but spacecraft. And it's a broad it doesn't date progress and I didn't hear. The sound of her spa that there's another closet. And. Nice guitar I know that's one of those things in which you know the sound tells a 1000 pictures isn't it so when you consider the catastrophic results of the previous big screen incarnation of Charlie's Angels which was those 2 things which were you know directed in this that kind of hyperventilating style that was McGee's on as because we saw in Christian Bale like Sean had a meltdown when they were making Terminator Salvation and you think about how fundamentally you know cheesy and ropey the original t.v. Series was I think that this version of Charlie's Angels is really much better than anybody had the right. To expect and I should say from the beginning that although there are certain things in it it's frothy and it makes no sense but it doesn't matter because I really really enjoyed it and the reason I enjoyed it is twofold firstly it does a proper updates are in this new world the angels are an international organization Bosley Bosley is now at Samar remembers exactly because everyone remembers the buzz the is now a code name given to a rank within the Angels organization so in this particular version Elizabeth Banks is balls Ok so it is the name that he is watching his kind of as that's rather well done and she plays that role with the grand degree of chutzpah and the plot is fairly standard fare that you know there's some setting the scene as a new technical thing it could be weaponized somebody in a bar on the black market somebody is in danger now what must happen is the angels must go through a series of James Bond like adventures in order to you know stop the bad thing happening with the bag and this will involve some action set pieces it will involve some undercover work there's a scene which they have to go to a party in infiltrate the parties a lot of glitz lots of glamour and there's also. Bubbling along in the background a kind of double crossing thread that you know you don't not entirely sure who side everyone's on and you know there's lots of sort of nice red herrings and you know Patrick Stewart beginning stands and as he's been with your message for a long time and he stands down this question has been pushed out of the organization you know or did you just want to retire anyway so what I what I liked was that all the coordinates a fairly sort of straightforward but what Elizabeth Banks manages to do with it is these kind of nice neat not too Kanzi subversion So all the way through the story are Harry wins use the traits of sort of dumb male chauvinism to their advantage there's a lot of stuff about the fact that it takes a man certain mountain longer to suspect that a woman is a spy than him because he just is just assuming that she's somehow lesser than him and there's a lot of conversation that dumber than the done very tongue in cheek and done very artsy but they're also kind of making a point. Also the action sequences and nicely done and you know the set pieces are nicely done but what matters is the sort of Sparky interaction between the leads who have got a very good line in kind of deadpan droll slightly snippy conversation and of course this is not surprising when you consider Elizabeth Banks has got a great history in that kind of quite drawing quite droll comedy and Kristen Stewart is very funny and in the past she hasn't that often been given to refit me funny roles I'm into the 1st time you interviewed it was around sort of a ton of Twilight and there was a whole thing people were kind of complaining about her being signatories the straight face but she demonstrates a real comic shops here so obviously Charlie's Angels is a sort of Marang like confection But what I really liked about this was it is in a in a quiet all the way it is quietly subversive because. It's a big fun frothy spectacle action movie that in all these little ways makes little change like this one moment when they're in Istanbul and in order to get something that they need they have to donate an entire van load of stuff to somebody who's running a woman's shelter just to make a huge big deal of it but that happens all the way through our heroines are smart and that but they constantly use the fact that people think they're not against them which actually of course was one of the things that was written into the original t.v. Series so it dispels the memory of those 1st 2 big street on a place in which that would just terrible and it's it is funny and it is you know disposable frothy fun but good entertaining disposable frothy fun made by people who use it would just you know managing to slip some subversion in there amidst the froth I had a poster of Charlie's Angels on my wall I think many people did is they yeah you're listening to count as from review the weekend coming up Edward Norton after the latest 5 live news on digital b.b.c. Sound Las Vegas. Is b.b.c. Radio 5 Live. 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The euro 2020 has thrown some interesting tie. Side some familiar faces in group d. Wales meanwhile will rack up the air miles in group a with all those details on football correspondent John Murray England's Euro 2020 campaign will kick off at Wembley a 2 o'clock on the afternoon of Sunday the 14th of June against Familia follows Croatia who defeated Gara Southgate's team in the World Cup semifinal in Moscow last year but who then England went on to knock out of the nation's league their other 2 group matches 8 o'clock kick offs against 1st old post Scotland if they come through the March playoffs and then the Czech Republic who lost 5 but beat England in Prague in the recent qualifiers for these finals Wales will go to Azerbaijan to play Switzerland and Turkey before the daunting prospect of Italy and Rome and if Northern Ireland win through the playoffs they'll be in a group with Spain Poland and Sweden Thanks John as a. The b.b.c. 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Sport it's available on b.b.c. Sound Hello everyone it's a listen John here and we are very excited to introduce How do you cope with Alison John we're going to be talking to range of guests about the challenges turtles and setbacks that they might face in their own lives while asking the question how do you cope there is this is a kind of culture for saying who goes and pursues goes I'm winning cannot understand when life will be a baby. And I definitely get into depression and how do you cool Ellison John on b.b.c. Sounds Hello this is Kevin is from review the weekend on 5 Live please don't take it's recorded show more of used to come including knives out but 1st the 1st is the writer director producer and star of Motherless Brooklyn Edward Norton and you'll be hearing from him after this clip. Could I get that slice of cheesecake could you make it one I'd like it want after this it is get a ride on one of his horses for God's sakes he controls everything all. He said they just created this now. Structure slumps arms he's got 14 points is all I'm just going to Glassdoor none of that matters it's all b.s. a. Borrow authority you call yourself a reporter on what the arts but you really don't listen should I yeah you. Should write Emerson said in an institution is the length and shadow of one man this town is run by the morning in the borough authority is Moses Rayno and that's a clip from Motherless Brooklyn I'm delighted to say been joined by its right to direct it's done it's produced which fortunately for us is all one person which is it would not and hello it would have you good to be here thank you very much stevia time if you haven't done all those things before I know you've directed before but if you have ever worked quite so. This was my 1st film that I directed I did all all those roles I don't want to say it was an easier film no film is easy but it was lighter lighter in tone and it was contemporary So we made it in New York like this one. Ironically we had more money and more time you could point a camera anywhere because we were shooting the contemporary city when you. This one was a much more multi-dimensional puzzle and the role was a lot more difficult so let's just explain the story so you and start at the beginning when did you read the book it came out in 99 so maybe I read it in late 98 or something like that. I feel like we were wrapping up Fight Club which would have meant it was the end of 98 before I was directing my own film because when I read it and really was quite drawn to the character of the central character of it I think I said to the author Jonathan that I was heading into directing a film and had a couple of commitments beyond that in that I wouldn't be able to get to it for a while but it's in that zone of about 20 years ago that I read it so when you said when you get to it for a while that was kind of true. But the impact that it had on you I mean I think you've likened it to reading Catcher In The Rye Can you explain why well when I said what I mean is that all books all films even songs what everyone tries to do is set a hook early grab you and pull you in and hold you there right you know the brilliant thing about Catcher In The Rye is that he tells you his own story in a Holden Caulfield narrates the story to you and your affection for him comes from the intimacy of his sharing and that's how Motherless Brooklyn commences and that's how it works he literally says Let me explain to you the uniqueness of my crazy brain and then you can ride with me and watch me trick myself up and have to navigate it and it's it's funny it's poignant it's all these things but by the end of page 2 you're just hooked you've never met anyone like this I thought forget the fact that it's just a great challenge for an actor it's just what we try to do in films is create a character that you root for quickly the thing that struck me more than anything was that it will. It's like like a Forest Gump or a Rain Man what they engender is empathy for an underdog I think films that remind an audience that it feels good to to root for someone who is being diminished by other people is sort of who they want to be the audience feels uplifted by cheering for that character about Lundell then why was he such a such a few words and what is going on in his brain Well he has to read syndrome an obsessive compulsive disorder he works for a detective you could call him a detective but in truth he works for the detective the Bogart like detective is his boss and he is kind of an operative for this guy who appreciates his unique gifts that come with his condition and they've known each other since he was a boy he's an orphan who's found a place under the wing of this street smart Brooklyn detective and when his boss who's really his mentor and only friend is killed in a dark dealing and Lionel feels in some ways that he messed up and failed to step in and stop it he's driven by his grief and desire for revenge and desire to figure out what went on into trying to solve the mystery and how much this murder and how much of a challenge was he as a character to to decide to get your head around but you know literally in this case you know you know whenever you have a well written character in a novel you're way ahead of the game right the core of the whole novel is this portrait of the mind and the mechanisms of his threats now that doesn't reading a thing and doing the thing are very different I would say the research is a process of doing literally what you're doing with me right now that's all you have to do as an actor to invent you talk to people and you you read about a thing and you watch documentaries about people with Tourette's and you touch talk to them the absorbing of information about a thing is not difficult translating that into a thing that you can. Have happening in your own body fluidly without self-consciousness in a way like you know a basketball player doesn't think about each shot it's a muscle memory it's an instinct and I think you've got to get it to there and that's almost it's like Malcolm Gladwell s book you know about 10 you know you need 10000 hours and I was you know it's that it's that idea it is honestly just about the work of rehearsing and going through that phase where it all feels inauthentic and like you're faking it and getting into a groove you're playing the instrument without really having to think about the notes so he will have crazy stuff going on in our heads it's just that he says he's become an external I like that you said that I have often said the thing about a heightened condition is it seems exotic but that's not the actuality what you said is true or what's true is it's much more like everybody than one would initially think because we all have an anarchist living in our heads he wants the cookie he wants the next cigarette wants a drink wants to behave in appropriately and we have another part of our head that says no and that that argument is going on in all of us all the time about things began small we we review ourselves we could take ourselves we limit ourselves we fight back against it and we think things about people we hear things and our mind does something funny with them but we just don't say it we don't externalize it and the only difference interrupts I think is that it becomes externalised and it's part of the reason. Lionel is easy to empathize with because you you look and you feel like thank God I'm on this side of the line because if what was in my head was coming out I'd be in trouble too you can smile at that you can laugh with it and not add it and I think that's the key to empathy that would know we appreciate your time thank you very much my pleasure as he said quite a few times on the program over the years my favorite interviews are the ones where someone is so intimately involved and invested in the success of the film and clearly like he has the film and you can tell from the passionate way in which he's answering the great now you haven't seen the film you know in on the millions of faces of the interview I'm really I really want to see and it comes out next week and you're of year next week but what else have you got that Len ticks this is. Job who's a French Senegalese filmmaker who made history at the Cannes Film Festival She's an actor she's enclosed in these 34 shots of rum and she made a dock in 2009 on I think is the original title about 2 friends from Senegal making the you know the very dangerous crossing by boat to Europe and now the idea is revisit it here in a fictional film which has got a kind of social realist authenticity of a documentary but also has this magical realist fantaisie or element that it into weaves really cleverly to the point that at certain moments in the in the film it almost shows the iconography of a horror film or a mix with a kind of heartbreaking melodrama romance and yet it always seems to have its feet on the floor so the screen plays Rajab and Livia. Starts with workers in the car and this huge great big towers being built looks over the ocean they have been paid for weeks and one of them is Solomon who is in love with her she's engaged Omar who is rich and rather creepy and both. Both need to kind of escape from. You know from the strictures of their lives their impoverished lives and they both have potential way out for her it's marriage to this guy that she doesn't like for him it's getting in a boat and leaving on the trip to Europe trip here which he does one night completely on announcers a brilliantly understated scene in which she discovers that they've gone to sea in a boat the men have gone home and none of them know anything about you know your boat through this very very dangerous business or suddenly he's gone and they don't know what's happened to him. So what has happened to him and what will happen to her then becomes the sort of central subject of the film and what follows is really remarkable because remember I refute that film by a chaplain were asked to call cold Uncle been me who can recall his past lives I do remember that title Ok and I said at the time there's a this is there's a scene in that film in which something is happening which is completely domestic and a supernatural element appears in the film but it's treated with total normality as if it's just literally part of the everyday drama of the film and this has a similar sense to it it's beautifully lens bike Claire math on a matter on a made t.-h. I-n. And it's really mesmerizing and it's telling a story which is really kind of a say grounded in you know in real ism of its subject matter but it's managing to do it in this way which blends elements of the supernatural with the absolutely every day and you never question it you never I mean I've seen a couple of quite trite descriptions of the film which totally missed that the point of it is that the magical real the magical element is completely intertwined with the realism it's not a fantastical story it's a real story it just happens to have a slightly transcendent subject to it anyway I met your became the 1st woman of African heritage to have a film in competition in Cannes and she won the grow. I'm pretty and there was a quote before the competition when she said My 1st reaction when I found this out was quite sad I thought oh am I so there's still a very long way to go before it becomes something completely natural and normal and something that's not noticeable the fact that I am a black woman and after the success of the film it's not by Netflix and I suspect that most people will say on Netflix but it is a really remarkable film from number of reasons firstly because the tone of it I think so beautifully melds the natural the supernatural the eerie the down to earth but also because it is astonishing that it's taken so long for this kind of recognition to come and you realize that things are changing very very slowly but they are starting to change and it is called it's called over here it's called Atlantics Ok I'm quite looking forward to tonight the 2 popes so the last thing the pictures are like the pictures yet you meant when John the price was on I do and he talked about this I said What are you doing there he said I'm making this film in which I play the pope because people many people have pointed out that he looks or look you know the physical resemblance a paper a papal shadow Now that doesn't sound right does it he look like the pope so this is there it's been on them or a is stars John the process and Sir Anthony Hopkins and it's essentially about the resignation of Benedict and in 2013 and succession boy we can Pope Francis and the fact that this was an historic event because pope's serve until they die what they don't do is renounce which is what was happening why do the presidents of America and Russia and China come to you because unlike them the Us heretic comes from the fact that you will suffer and die and the job. Amounted to justice and truth but this people can't forgive me but. That Christ did not come down from the cross because those granted the right words now pope was gone forever be the personification of the crucified Christ. If you do this you will damage the papacy forever and. Much damage will I do if I remain. I love it I know and the sound of ham being sliced but but very fine have yes I thought that was fantastic and I got great voices yet they have and I have to say that part of the pleasure of the movie is exactly the look on your face when you listen to that clip if I can but all that are just in price his voice I love it but yes Jonathan Price has got one of them but so has Anthony Hopkins when he's doing something that he actually cares about and so the screen plays by Andrew McCarthy whose credits include theory of everything darkest down and he raps and if you're any good then yeah he has some form in the area of taking historical events and you know in the same with Peter Morgan does and of course a bit more when the other credit on him in wraps it was me so it's inspired by. A certain degree of invention I mean the historical facts of you know what happened with the papacy are historical facts but the conversations between these 2 characters are assumed and in some case completely fictionalized So we start with Jonathan Price's big old Leo now pope trying to book an air ticket on the phone and he said he says you know the he says his name and they say oh like the pope and he says Yeah like the pope and they say what's the address he says Vatican City they hang up. There you would exactly but the point is because he's a pope he's trying to bookies an air ticket we then go back to 2005 called The Big Audio and and Hawkins Ratzinger both in contention for being the new pope which of course is Ratzinger then becomes Benedict and he is described as God's Rottweiler he is the person who is defending the old traditions of the Vatican meanwhile but all goes back to you know tending to his flock and working with the poor and they are so essential they set up is completely different one of them is a reformer somebody who who believes in the church being connected to you know to. Roots to the poor to the needy to the oppressed another one who is absolutely about tradition and you know the red leather shoes and the spectacle and so they're absolutely children cheese and then at one point he is cold to an audience with the pope who says I hate the you want to resign he says well you know I don't want to retire because you can't because if you retire I'll be seen as a criticism of me because you are very high profile and people like you and think about God always tells you what to do you always have the right thing to say so there's a tension you cannot retire because if you do it will make me look bad and it then moves on forward to a later discussion in which is decided to renounce and now what he wants to do is he's really says there's a lovely line about you know I've listened so long for God's voice and I never thought I never thought that it would be I hear it through you. So essentially what you have is this series of imagined conversations between these 2 characters the 2 chalk and cheese characters and this is this is like a perfect setup for a theatrical thing in which they are discussing theology The discussing politics they discussing their life there is the drawing of a veil of silence over certain accusations about Ratzinger but I have to say My own feeling was that there is literally a moment when she starts to say something in the sound then goes down so you don't hear what I liked about it was it allows the audience to fill in what they what the audience may already know what the audience may want to fill in also in order for the drama to work both characters have to be burdened by guilt both characters have to have the thing that they can't personally get over and what the what the what the drama does is to create in both of them a belief that they are not fit for the job to some extent so we have one more movie to discuss and it's taken quite a few posters take a few on buses Yeah so knives out which is I sort of mean it's I think it's a terrific modern day Agatha Christie style whodunit from Ron Johnson. All star cast gathered together in this gothic like house where the finger of suspicion following a death points everywhere or nowhere a famous crime writer they gathered together is family for an 85th birthday and he spectacularly capped off the evening by dying dramatically in his attic study bedroom it looks like an open and shut case of suicide however However however however. Each one each member of the family may have some Him So is it suicide or did somebody else actually do the throat slitting certainly the presence of gentleman sleuth Ben while blank suggests that at least one person here thinks that foul play is afoot Mr Blank I know who you are I read your profile in The New Yorker I found it delightful I just buried my 85 year old father who committed suicide why are you here. Me here at the behest of a client. So. I cannot but let me assure you this my presence will be on a minimum you will find me over suspect full choir passive observer. Of the truth. Now you're already sold right yes absolutely I'm going for this one guy so all star cast Jamie Lee Curtis Daniel Craig as you know the Daniel Craig just a parrot showing himself probably the 1st time they heard the accent the the rest of the cost went because he's like Ok he's really committing to that accent and he is going to do that all the way through the film and there must on Johnson the key Stanfield Michael Shannon Toni Collette Chris Evans I mean the propagators and there is an Orient Express everyone was like coming in it and everyone everyone may have a motor media Gates a suicide or there's no question that it's a suicide but you know the son who's publishing empire depends on the good favor of his father and maybe he's fallen out of that fight with a daughter in law who my have her hand in the till in some way the son in law who has a roving on I and a secret all all of them may be sneaky lying except for the most a character who is Martha who is nursing care who we know is telling the truth because in one of the film's most brilliant. Set ups she's told by 10 to Craig said I hear you have a regurgitated reaction to mistruth and which means that she can't live because she vomits and they so it's literally up plot point that there is a character in the film who cannot lie because doing so makes her vomit so you've got this spectacular cost all of it what's interesting is the film doesn't look like it was filmed in bits they did use a real house I mean it's brilliantly set design and everything but there was a large section which they had that incredible ensemble cast together in the same place for a large period of time and 1st on the one. You know I sometimes use that thing which is that the amount that somebody enjoys making a film is often inversely proportional to how much you enjoy watching it well in this case there's none of that like I was saying before with the 2 pokes you can see every member of the COs going yeah sign me up and absolutely this is my These are my lines I get to say these lines because firstly there are more laugh out loud quotable one liners in this film than in most of the years alleged comedies and it's not a comedy Oh is it not no I mean let's be well it is it no it's not that's the interesting thing it is a very very funny drama and in the same way as the you know the Paros that we've seen in the past which is kind of almost like kind of variety shows it has a lot of humor in it but it works because at the heart of it is a murder mystery or is it I mean is there a murder mystery the whole I don't know what he did mind you say I don't know I don't spoil the film Oh yeah but the whole thing is but surely it's a suicide but no if it was a suicide what he's been want blank doing here with the regurgitate developments in medicine it's a humorous drama with Ben Maher Blunk and regurgitate of that's a comedy Ok the reason it's not a comedy as such is because I would say that it is 1st and foremost a really brilliantly constructed whodunit and here's why the best whodunits of films in which the is there but you don't see it Ok the worst whodunits is a film in which a whole bunch of stuff happens or a story a book you know in which a whole bunch of stuff happens and then at the end a character who no one is ever heard of before. She said Oh but it was Jess from down the road really well you guys are so sake of it I said when did that happen it's like the thing in Murder by Death about you know it with the whole thing about of these detectives all nonsense you brought some character in well or Oh it turns out it's him in disguise that person didn't really happen to think he's only just delivered the pizza having seen knives out twice now loved it the 1st time 2nd time loved it more because in the 1st 10 minutes of knives out once you've seen it you go oh that's really that's that is so clever it's so Priss It's like what you know I know this is a cliche but it's the Swiss watch thing and it's the finally strong steel trap that is put together so perfectly that the 2nd time around it all makes sense and the 2nd time around you go how did I not see that he did the screenplay Ron Johnson Oh it is and what a genius and so what So 1st and foremost it's a whodunit Ok beyond that it's a whodunit with really really funny things in it really funny lines at one point he's called because their Southern accent he's called c.s.i. K.f.c. Which I laughed about for about 5 minutes but. None of it would work if you didn't actually believe in or care about the characters and there is a scene early on in which you know which you heard there from Jamie Lee Curtis in which she says I would just like to remind you that my father who committed suicide on as I see fit this is for Jamie Lee Curtis is called What the lightning rod conductor in the middle of the film who reminds us that it's not just a comedy it is also something else and that's why it works it's really well designed really well written really well directed really well plight and the reason it's funny is because the jokes happen around this central role of a really well done coiled spring in metal you know steel trap of a plot you know what this is going this is the film that was coming out this festive season which we're about and which you can get by the sound of it yes you can say to your parents come see some show we go to that we have here and you'll folks will go yes yes I will be show and you won't see that guy oh I know I didn't think I'd be the boom on scene and all that no no no there's no nipples of Venus in the excellent This is been a something else production for b.b.c. Radio 5 Live Thanks for listening will be back next Friday at 3 with Oscar winning documentary maker Thanksgiving. Thanks Simon thanks Mark tonight we'll hear more of this story showing heroism of the people who tackled along the bridge attackers Thomas Gray was one of those who wrestled. To the grind so here in his own words what it was like to be face to face but the terrorists of time. And money. Anyone. B.b.c. Radio 5 Live it's 9 o'clock and 5 life I'm Stephen alone I may need some 5 guy the fast and 10 people killed that night. She is named and described as a beautiful spirit and in the space. Of a 1000000 photos that year a 2020 and Wales face a trip to pack a bag and try to free clerical interviews continue in the run up to the December 12th election will speak to the Lib Dems Home Affairs spokesperson Christine Jardin on the day the party's former leader Vince Cable has described their flagship colas 8 to revoke Breck said as widely improbable. This is b.b.c. 5 Live 1st as good news here is to Harmony Scotland Yard says those no evidence that anyone else was involved in the lungs and bridge attack it's also being giving more details about who was a convicted terrorist out on license off the serving Hauffe of a 16 year prison sentence being part of a bomb plot he was shot dead being restrained by members of the public as he sits in the commission of the Metropolitan Police. He was on the multi-agency public protection regulates and there was an extensive list of license conditions for this individual to mark the best of my knowledge as I started today he was complying with those conditions the fust of 2 people stabbed in the attack to death has been named as John narrates he was 25 and was working at a prisoner rehabilitation events the attack I was attending at fishmongers whole politicians and senior police officers have been visiting London Bridge the queen has also offered deepest sympathies to those affected by what she called terrible violence Becky and Kate's How is the traders at nearby bar markets and say it's been business as usual. Try to come down and that kind of what you might not like Yeah exactly I think it was really proud that they try to go.