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Only b.b.c. Radio 5 Live. Welcome back to the show I'm Laura Whitmore a reminder were pre-court show this week said don't call text email tweeting Sacha that goes for my parents as I've. Been revising and. Egg comedians even Bailey and broadcaster Lauren have read knowing me in this Ciccio and coming up in the final half hour live music from the clockworks you heard from them a little bit earlier on and a bit more from Taylor Hawkins as he gives us the last word but right now my next guest she is an Egyptian born London raised journalist his new book looks at not fitting in and being in between 2 cultures it's called the Greater freedom life as a Middle Eastern woman outside the stereotypes and the author is al your Morrow who joins. Now how I am good how are you going to go we actually met a while ago and you tell me about your book and you sent it to me and yes I just slip in your d.m. He said to me and I know everyone sliding into the can I get was I'm going to see our little son anyone can slide into my hands and he's all DNS later on but I. Was someone who can probably relate to on a different level just being divided by cultures and what you should be and how you grow up and I think I think ultimately ultimately it's about finding your individuality but I be Rice Yeah I think so I think you know there's so many things that the world I think especially as women tells us that we should be or what we should one tear you know what we should do or think or look like and I think what I wanted to really look at is you know when you have 2 different invisible juries I've called them in the book telling you what you should want how do you kind of make your own decisions ignore like tuning them out and kind of figuring it out for yourself and that's what I really wanted to do alternately was just kind of on pick all these ideas so I suppose when you come to look up you top this in a book like googling Arab woman and then the image that you get back was an image that you didn't relate to yeah I think it's very reductive at the moment especially you know it's very much like oh you have to be very old and you have to there's so many assumptions of what it means to be an Arab woman and there's so much Islam a phobia at the moment there's so much fear of the other and that's something that you know I was I kind of became a bit more confident with my words I've been a journalist for a number of years but as I kind of became a bit more you know I felt more comfortable that I was able to say what I wanted to say and as I kind of increasingly saw these reductive stereotypes I felt like I really needed to contribute and that's where the greater freedom came from ultimately is that I really wanted to provide an alternative narrative one that's true to my friends and the people that I know that you know I definitely don't find when I google Arab woman where you had to tend to write this book where you fret about. The backlash of any of any thoughts or ideas you might question I was definitely quite nervous but I had to teach out in target otherwise I definitely wouldn't have been able to write I think you know I'm very lucky in that my family are very supportive they're very open minded my parents are you know super proud and they agree very much with what I've written had they not been like that I don't know that I would have been able to write the book which is another reason why I felt like I had to because I was like you know I'm in a position of privilege essentially where I'm you know in between both cultures I have a bird's eye view of both I'm very familiar with Middle Eastern culture and with British culture on my parents are supportive and I'm a journalist so if I don't say this then I don't know who well and I just count wait for anyone to do that has any of your views changed from writing the book from doing your research I think what's been really interesting is that I feel like writing the book definitely made me feel a lot more myself and Mabel need to unpick you know when you're supposed to you know get married a stop you're not supposed to have sex like all of these kind of expectations I have same for Irish people. Cotton Ixia Yeah well that's the thing I think that's what I really realized as well in writing is that none of none of this is just limited to the Middle East or into being Muslim or any of those things actually as women we live in a patriarchal world so across cultures we're very much told the same things something I found interesting actually t.i. This week I don't know if you guys heard about this he came out saying that he takes his daughter who has just turned 18 to get tests to see if her hymen has been broken is a t. I drop or just around here our music yeah he was on a podcast and he was saying that and everyone was shocked and Twitter is going crazy and obviously it's shocking but for me I'm like yeah I know who this like what happened this happens all the time so I was really interesting to be like oh actually this is not just Islam or it's not just Middle Eastern people t.-i in America they're liars doing it to. Do you feel yourself like obviously coming from a journalistic background and you're comfortable with questioning but have you felt in your life up to this point the pressure to look a behave in a certain way because of the color of your skin or because of how people identify you I think so I mean that's really interesting that I'm really trying to get over actually is this assumption that I always need to like have my hair blow dried or like have my nails done and even today I have my eye I really struggle to not have my hair blow dried So I think it's more on the radio Yeah exactly and it looks great still to say you know thank you hair for radio for sure but yeah it's one of those things I think that you just have these expectations of how you should look and thing we all have to like perfect and I suppose I think we all have that in Western culture females particularly too there was I remember Louis Walsh saying this about looking after he'd rather look after a boy band than the girl band his girl band how to look better they have to be more pristine and the quite in the boyband Yeah. Although I would say sometimes now I look at Instagram go where's my 6 pack. As a performer do you feel pressure to look a certain way sometimes like I mean some Sometimes I think it's in your head like sometimes I do not care of I would drop the fried chicken and I'm just really happy to me and I completely accept I'm never going to have a 6 pack so don't put the effort in and no do I wish to go. Yes sometimes a day like an a and sometimes I think it's just like a mental thing for me like I lost 2 stone and then got my 1st t.v. Show and I was like it's because I lost like the one time I had for ages and I might have a confidence thing yet it wasn't actually the way it was how you hold yourself or what you thought it for yourself one thing that was really interesting in your book I was the beginning of one of the chapters you say I'm not a feminist explain I used to I think the word feminism has so many negative connotations associated with their youth. But you're like burning you're broad and you like hate men and you know all of these things which is not at all what feminism is it basically just means that I want to be equal and have the same opportunities as a man and not be limited because of my gender which now I'm like does but at the time you know I really didn't want to I didn't want to be contrary I guess I wanted people to like me I wanted to I wanted men to like me and I think it's just something that when you're younger you do have a lot more you do have a lot more desire to like fit in you don't want to be that person like causing a problem and being like contrary whereas now I'm like no I'm definitely feminist we should all be feminists we should all want to granting it's be owning a word isn't it is the word that. A loss in words even in the gay community you can take it back and let it mean something else so for me I shall go with the word feminism and I'm as in I'm being a feminist and the negative connotations with us but I say I'm like No I am a feminist because this is how I define a liar and have you kind of I thought even this book is Life is a Middle Eastern woman outside the stereotypes but we all struggle you know meaning some girl this I just I just think there is so often we're very fortunate. Because I thought we were on the cost of real change and we actually moved in the ball that we want for ourselves. Fortunate to be right and be at this time is hard like I've lived my feminist off and on not me saying I want to have the same rights don't speak to me like that about her appearance like it's value isn't a bad thing and it does have a negative connotation and it's called it can be really draining having to constantly unpick you saying I was just having this conversation with a friend though and we were saying how you actually have to call people out now you can just allow people to say things because I feel like I feel like we're really at this turning point where we can either go one way towards like openness and understanding or the other way towards like hatred and fear and we all have to do everything that we. And to go towards openness and an understanding. That includes calling people out when they say things that are inappropriate it includes kind of being the buzzkill as people might like to say and kind of just being like no that's not Ok it's just having a conversation that was in it like I have female friends and say I'm not a feminist probably for the same reasons when you said a but as eloquent as it is I don't know you are a feminist you just so you're not like the like. I think it's just having the conversation isn't it consensually all's we'll never it's like feminism like I like people of color it's just a quality full stop as I like across the board you talk there Ali about your parents being extremely supportive of the writing this book have you had any resistance from the keyboard warriors have you had to deal with much of a backlash in that regard I'm really scared to be like No because I really don't want to jinx said but I'm so far honestly I'm so happy with the response to the book I feel like everyone's really getting a even you know my mom's friend's mom who's like this 80 year old Egyptian woman read the book and she was like I wish that I had read this when I was younger it's completely changed my mind sat like actually why should I care what people think why can't i just be myself and it's been really amazing to to see that a lot of people have been saying to me like you basically just said what we've all been thinking but didn't have the courage or the ability to say so so hopefully it continues and they'll be a little girl who will Google like you did Arab women and see a picture of you and then feel that relations so as I said it's just about putting out options it's not taking away from what you want your culture to be and some people will live the traditional culture but it's just having that openness and diversity Yeah I think it's there are so many different narratives and so much as humans there are so many nuances of what we who we are and what we want and I feel like it's so important to have all those different examples. Being shown because you know I always say it's easier to be yourself if you can see yourself in it. At the same time it makes you know it's it's hard to otherwise someone if you see the human to that and that's what I really wanted to do with the greater freedom was to kind of give a human face to this story that no one's talking about. And yeah I'm really happy with so far so good it's a great way to even get some kind of an Irishwoman reading I really find that there were so many narratives in there that that really were up to my life as well thank you very much and the greater freedom life is a Middle Eastern woman outside the stereotypes by Morrow is I thank you Erin thank you so much oh no forget this squad is up at half 11 with Nick bright and it's a massive day a premiership force each day on 5 life what Liverpool and Man City Time now for my truck of the week this is all the boys are jealous This is the pockmarks. Cars. That is the clockworks ad that was incredible guys where can we find out more. On Instagram or Instagram's to talk or expand our Twitter has done good for lots of d.m.z. Yeah the last filled up and I work we see you next are you getting at the moment I think yeah she was told blue turns out moment. And they were playing a couple of gigs 9 and next month you have over here now you've made the move we've made the move high finding London life growing fast. So yeah like it's a bit quicker than the bar you know a. Lot of us sometimes that we're playing London when the new year in the new year so keep an eye out to keep an eye on Ok so that's the clockworks there graduations on old success so far thank you so much more. As we are I forgot you're in the corner so. That area was out of wood in the corner there you are hiding and this happened a lot with the yeah it's Brian is the guy I requested that you've asked for so yeah . The radio is finally. Taking up too much funding their time in the spotlight Holcomb's was my bros this week and as always as we near the end of the show it's time for the last word so this is Taylor's last words which starts with the last time he was scared. I was Time scared. Have you seen this Ok I have children. No it's this doctor there's a 2020 I don't want to have 2020 here but you know Michael Douglas actor that. Documentary about him and his son it's so heavy it's and he does the interview at stats Watson and Diane Sawyer. And if you have a child and you watch that you're just like oh my god. Please don't let this happen to my child I really don't want my son to go to jail for 20 years 1st dealing drugs. Hold our eyes watching the ads. Scare the crap out of me having children is the scariest thing you could ever do ever in your life I'm telling you right now it's like bungee jumping 25 times a day so well. The last movie I watched was I watched half of Goodfellas on the way here and I think. The last song you listened to. Them or do you actually kind of check out what else is going on I mean it's it really is hard for me to listen to sort of just computer generated music it's just it just doesn't appeal to me I'm going to be honest like I like to hear musicians play I'm not bad mouthing and I understand why people like it I get it it just doesn't really appeal to me so when Queens a stone age come out when they record a listen to our tech monkeys come out with a new record. And Jack White record something new I'll listen to it and you know I'll try and you know my son you know he's he's always trying to turn me out of some little Yardy or something like that he's 12 so you know I get it though that's his rock n roll at this point that's the that's the rebellious music of the time so the last time you cried. If you watch in like the Elton John movie or something like that. Yeah and the last book you read you reached Yeah I just read Roger Daltrey's biography and then I just now with him the other night I don't really hang out with them I was like high road tour or you are if you're going he's like hey. Whatever finally the last sporting event you watched. Definitely it was the Vikings kicking the crap out of the Redskins. Or did I watch. That no no the last it was a World Series and the Nationals won Are you a sports fan Yeah yeah absolutely and he can learn proper football Hawkins' there at the last word I just kind of feel like I want to be I made a kind of you know maybe we are friends I think you can claim that yeah yeah I think that and I love as well his wife was in the room during that interview in the corner and everything he said he kind of look at her approval. That is a man who knows how to treat a woman. And that's it the end of the show thank you to all of my guests Stephen Bayley you're a busy man at the moment you've got a tour yes pull the dough into spring next even Bailey come in please buy tickets because if I'm in Leicester alone I will be at the south side and that's not how Les is meant. This is a fun place Ok 1st place every d.j. Had a great night it was actually I didn't know what so amazing and then finally tell me about the show is a coming back seventy's on the farm I just have some of the things that we just so fingers crossed fingers crossed I've got live at the Apollo. Coming out so serious . Celebrity must. Be Dolly Now table because I'm not like get. So close but now is a girls I'd go. Girls Aloud Lauren thank you so much for coming. On the show and coming back on the show we did a great she recently tell me about use by girl versus cancer yeah we did this shit for my life French. Fries awareness for get guys and gals checking. That chest. 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Ok we'll get you back on again and we can talk about that later on I'll just talk to you afterwards I'll tweet about it thank you very much and of course we had a row on the show as well the greater freedom incredible book at Taylor Hawkins album. And the clockworks are still in here and I am very quiet because I was asking. Is this thing that kind of show and give us one more time where we can check you out what's the website our instruments to talk or expound on our Twitters Dr Walker exterior talk or. Ice thank you very much guys and that's it guys next week when I'll be back from New York. This has been a t.v. I media production and they said they are back next week with me and next is Nick bright and the squad thank you very much. To show on b.b.c. Sounds of course if you missed it right now it's the squad which made. The news money printing money for anyone and this b.b.c. Radio 5 my son is 1130 all. Right well up next an all ages 5. Bring you full commentry of Manchester United against say with updates of. A name from. 8 is the big league leaders Liverpool against Manchester City. And if you may stay in the early hours of the morning you can listen to highlights retail saw a good. B.b.c. Sound. This is b.b.c. 5 my Right now let's get to like 65 live news. The royal family and senior politicians have gathered in white Seoul for the National Remembrance Sunday service the Senate's half Prince Charles light of recent behalf of the Queen who is watching from a balcony thousands of veterans a marching past the memorial has remember those who died in conflicts across the 20th and 21st centuries and of the news 7 severe flood warnings remain in place along the river Don in sounds to me and says a threat to life in the environment agency is concerned about rising water levels on the trends around. The Conservative party is claiming Labor's spending proposals will bankrupt the u.k. Shadow chancellor John McDonald has called it fake news all parties all yet to publish their election manifesto and millions of people. Cross the will have watched the pretty she cheap it can be the American Logan poll and a professional boxing match just did babe it was one of the celebrities in the crowd to chase these fine lines I like Should 29 See Radio 5 Live. From London I live in batting and I'm still new to them don't just Hello Welcome to the squad today with meaning right a big day at the top of the Premier League you saw there is Liverpool Manchester City we've got folks coming straight of that game right here on 5 live Sport 4th as part of 5 lives. And we start with the build up to that match right now where else would we start and in the blue corner we've got not only Pavlik from Manchester City Man City t.v. Alex Hill and from Blue Moon Rising you cheap shadow and in the red corner we've got from the I'm filled and Chris page at the bread maintain how we all failing that I think haha. I am show nervous for this game I always go like this for big games though show until I get to the ground until I start singing with a Liverpool fans I will continue to feel in the well Chris way the last time we had you in on the show actually. Before the Manchester United game Old Trafford I thought you guys were heading over to Old Trafford for the game just off the after we finished and in that show we were like it's going to be you know you're going to wipe the floor with Man United it should be a walk over for Liverpool brother and actually turned out to be a tough game and you Cody I remember you saying you know against Man United We never going to say it's going to be easy but it's never been a bad time to be and you did say the same thing big games it does weird things those and everyone knows what happened in that Manchester United game and I think for those it was a point point we won obviously going into the City game is completely different These are 2 good sides and we can agree on that Ok. So it's going to be a tough game munches the city are brilliant with a brilliant manager will talk obviously more about them and Liverpool have just got to focus on the job and on today and they've got to go out there and get 3 points and hopefully put a dent in one month's City's title challenge right well if Liverpool win they'll be 9 points clear of city which is huge clear of Chelsea unless stuff and the last time Manchester City want to Anfield get this like this not only I'll tell you 16 years ago the last time it happened so Lizzy Chris is that a good omen I think that I think it's a day without well we play him as well they rather than the fact I don't know it's been 16 use a month I think we've all 45 you know whom in the league or something like that I. Feel it's on me Allana take every really very good team to call a mess I don't think and if someone's going to do it it's going to be asking oh you're the only really really good team and the label I do it I mean but as a neutral someone who doesn't support of these teams I've been waiting for this game over season like. I'm so excited the 1st time that I'm going to Rochelle human properly get ready to watch the games you know might get some snacks and all I'm super excited and I don't know what's next I'm going to get but I should be an amazing guy. You know what happens but I guess for fans of the club you guys really were he was great but let me just rate case after Pep Guardiola on whether the fate would be the end of his team's title defense he said I don't know I don't know the season is long I guess what might seem to fight to the end Liverpool are at saying that lost one game last season on the season so you cannot believe that they will lose many but the Ses and along side. Is this a much must win match for you guys it's got to be you've got to look at that way I mean Liverpool the illusional all season was absolutely right I mean as Gattex but really really special dish it's a bit of a pole and it means that the old record is going to places on Phil West he always struggled I think. I think he's never never scored unfairly corrects not in reality you can you know great players go and have a tough time I think it's going to demand some extra at the minute Liverpool can be 6 points clear of city but the league is still a month to a times if we if we win our games we will win the league if we don't win today it's all a little time to rest of the season so from that point it's absolutely must win and the way the league is now was just a little push it so hard every single game I think performance with absolute max because you're the team is making them so you call for the drop any points whether it's away on failed or whether it's you know a way at Norwich or we've already put the season every single point now has to be a must win. Natalie Yeah I mean I totally agree with Alex as well I don't think we are the sort of team I don't think with us or a club with a mentality where we go somewhere you know to to draw or go somewhere to defend I just don't think that that we have that and in our locker to be honest you know it's not it's not I don't believe that Pep probably is ever a nice life that I'm going to go somewhere and try and get a draw and I think you know Liverpool obviously have very much the same mentality so it's all lining up to be a great game today but you know it's also you know it is a cliche but it is worth saying as well that leagues are not won in last in November you know lived for 10 points ahead of us at one point last season we still won the league and you know maybe that's me trying to just play it down a bit and just you know try and be calm I want to know what the feeling is amongst the fans you know because you guys get to go to the games and stuff generally amongst the fans in the terraces or a pub or waver is your check into these fans what the people think will come come to the Liverpool side of things 1st Lizzie and Chris you can both jump in on these monks Liverpool fans you've been talking to is there a confidence going into this game and if you win the game are Liverpool fans going you know what this this is it I think so yeah I think there is a confidence going into any game I don't feel nowadays for us because of everything to lose you mention before I think it was maybe it was April 27th team lost lost a game on Fields was a ridiculously long time and in the time you know we've obviously constitute Champions League finals when one of them and there is a confidence that comes with watching this Liverpool side we can we call it a no win the Whoever you come up against this team can find a way to win whether it's a possession by a side like munches the city where the teams are going to hit long balls against goes where they're going the flow there where they're going to play low back it doesn't matter Liverpool's crowning glory at the moment is they can win any type of game of football and that's the thing you know you see week in week out and you realise the. We're more than the sum of our parts and I think that's the last thing for me Lizzie that you know every week I think you are full of confidence whether whether we go out and win the league if we win today they said You've got to keep that level of commitment or peach in every game in the level of intensity and the rush will follow hopefully I mean from a I can't remember the last time as a live. You know I constantly walked into our field each time thinking it's absolutely fine we're going to win I will play a month you know won the League One of the best teams in your best team in England and I'm still feeling quite calm and it's not and it's not a to say Vista Man City it's an absolute compliment of this Liverpool side because I've seen them like you said Chris when in so many situations and it just it just doesn't feel like a team that's that's going to lose does it and I felt really foolish when we played Aston Villa I was thinking we're going to play for know that I'll be at home we're not going to score I'm a going to get peace but of course there's left field sides of me goes wait a minute and you know still on this pitch of course any in Konami it's over 95 minutes and it might be similar today I don't think it's going to be a Saudi or goals but I think it'll be a really really interesting game and I do think if people do come out on top I said it could be a title decider but not because of the points the point or at the time of the season I have said all along they sleep will be worn on the head to heads of Paramount and this is one of them that we need to take of an advantage of I think so not only what about the city side of things a safe and genuinely worried because if you lose this game that is quite a big lead and you know we saw what happened last season where you know you managed to overturn it but surely livable can't make the same mistake twice. I think some say fans on if they say no on this day and you know I've seen on Twitter and there is a feeling towards this game that we've not had in a long long time you know we all we want everything in England last year you know we've won the primary for the last 2 seasons we go into every game being favorite but we're not today you know it's a different feeling for us but it's a display I'd say the some say fans on Davis and I'd say this some say fans are still like come on bring it on with the best you know we were the best team in England last year we won everything going with a world class players all of the pitch bring it on you know I think I think is a real divide in my friend Sinitta I say fans so we will because I just see fun like over the last we've been so spoiled in the last 456 days that we've been generally going into every single game even a lot big games and your We've gone in as favorites this is the 1st on the I remember in what recent memory the media seem to be putting those as an underdog out here and I mean to just say that the. Confidence that they are quite calm about it and I think that Little Poll going to put it why it's so weird strange feeling but I'm excited you know let's bring you all. The rage in that game raising the standard for the special occasions or do you think they say they She's was the rivalry between city little pool is going to go pick and I think I think a clock. That exchanged a few words in the press conference is the dressing rooms are up for it and I think this could set into this could be this decade's version of those absolute classics that you used to get between you know you know it all still that I was growing up and there were there were amazing to watch I think 16 little you know replicate that led to cold and these battles between c. Same General Motors days form goes out the window it doesn't matter. The why the teams play the mother toxics I think today we're going to see a likely hero it won't be a. It will pay. You know someone's name the one that you have the gold light but you remember the moment that it. Flies or pollen are sort of feel light. They say. We can pull out the back to you I mean we saw that we have some company you know score not incredibly. Looking at this you know again you guys can tell me because I'm neutral but but look at this at this point in the Ses and with the point that that's already there don't you guys just wish it was out instead of Anfield right now oh no no no no never really want to know because we're going to go on fail to support the season. And bring it back because right now the show which will be played and we control is Gable per week it's a massive fixture but the 2nd guy the 2nd leg is going to be even bigger draw to have the 2nd one place because a little cooler confident now and we can. Have a happens will happen but when the pressure is on and not league to do that sits around a little pool and failed they're not win the league with they blew it last year they blew it when Gerald slipped a couple of years ago you have the Sterling in the season as well and the stories are plentiful the pressure is going to be a little pool next year when it comes to a result I really think that will be one little. Way around where it builds up in the pressure is all a little unfilled now so we can bring about to our place and I get what you're saying but then we go into an international break 9 points creates a weekend that May the only game I concede of losing the she had a gun is. On if we need to me win every other game or all match you win you over Soltz that's it then isn't and you constant that and say that Liverpool long capable of my results that's what I will say I am I think wants to bank as many points as physically possible before we go to Sam but we've got a huge huge huge December in January it's absolutely we're playing 2 games in 24 I was and I think even supplants on the board so it might be best if it was I think past. I don't know about you Chris but I think the on field like this is better for the it is better for us because you know I think we've got more chance of winning this game which puts more pressure on months as the city I mean bunches the city when I think Alex is probably looking at it right yeah the game still to be played so before the game and the question was before the game I think Liverpool play in this game at home obviously shooters much more than Gagan change from a I think he's a conservative manager of Hearts and I think he's changed because of what Manchester City did last season I think everybody every pundit around well football expected the 2 teams to drop points in that race for the tie or a concert a that I agree with with Alex saying that we bought all that last season we want to ridiculous amounts of games at the end of the year and managed to win the Champions League and get to the final Jorn the period as well as a ball in it that's doing something actually that was only of abetted by one of the team which just happened to be playing in the league with Elizabeth as a reason so I think there's 2 sides and no shard ball than Ethan last season to believe all sides but because of that learning curve we're now seeing him again bring on the likes of have a career he withdraws mercy and often 3 plus we have sure that our C's need maybe think one points gold at Old Trafford they season he went for it regardless and maybe didn't get the 3 points we didn't get the 3 points police these go in for now because he realizes that the caliber of opposition that he's off against He cons bonk on months is illusion points which means I think he goes into this one going draw when nothing else matters do you not think they're nasty I mean you separate for you touched on how Pat doesn't pay federal Pac doesn't go to fans of I agree that Papelbon go for a draw but do you not look at the game last season and think it went against all quality Ola's I don't know tactics as usual and he did event very defensive and we ended up with a no net Ok you missed the pad but it was a boring game let's be honest any day changes tactics and suppose that that is a compliment slip your little bit of flattery but do you think he will do something similar again or do you think he will go traditional on safety bang bang bang. I think we're going to go tradition and last year we put in a defensive display that I think most people don't even think we had in our locker and when I look at last year I think you know we could've won with Morris hadn't of missed that late penalty then obviously we we would have won and all of the stats would've gone out the window and I think it will take something like that to break your incredible stat record but I think it will although you are in this incredible run day season something is different with Liverpool you know you've conceded or you know you've not had a clean sheet at home is in 8 games or something you walk conceding goals so I think that's probably looking at that thinking nobody can take advantage of this you know despite the fact that you are in this incredible role and I don't think I think something's different they they share and I think maybe we can take advantage of that today if we go out in on typical all out and try and keep possession you know I think and perhaps in tie it could managerial crease only had only had the last possession not 2 or 3 games or something so we go out there and then we attack and we do that and hey you never know but also if it's no no I won't be surprised if it's 50 I'm surprised I get I get a failing you won't go for defensive performance at that I mean don't have any defenders like that yeah. I mean the funds we got I was just no one is actually not that bad anymore and the thing is it's just our absolute best defender you know if you want the best fans in the whole world it's the same as you if you lost and you know the John Di case is not the same situation he's pretty much the only 1st choice defender that we know right with it but the big news from the city camp I guess is that Edison is out with a guy how do you that you won't have any sit in today's game Alex Oh yeah. Talismanic. What a goalkeeper what one of. The security. Community does it does everything it terrifies you terrifies players as well you know I have a vision of medicine short of that time to a child and feed him roll me. And. Brian Kidd image to go pick it up on a Friday night by going to the doctor about and released an hour into the world. I think that sort of play you bring game Claudia Bravo played Wake. Of the know the less said about. Cowell Kringle David James Not for and let's go for it. But equally I mean not he said that we haven't got one sent off. Injured on is gone Roger is gone is in Chiang Co is gone silver is gone we've got I think that whilst so much to say we're blessed with incredible depth everything always plays out something David Silva is a talisman it play and what he brings that calmness to the restroom that comes on the pitch we're going to definitely missed out at us and not secure in the puck there was definitely a question of Claudio Bravo he produced the Likud final last year with Olsen as he's definite got him brought in for the big games but come on you want your my mum that you want you want your best 11 on the pitch and it's frustrating to a man I think City have got the best squad but with those players were chased it's just another one in the mix you know the Bravo play in the Community Shield against the other guy for which there is wild in the end and from a Liverpool for Specter violate the fact that the 1st 2 is goalkeepers out because every time a 2nd trick goalkeeper comes form field he put in well these guys. Have been in the way and out of here you know you want to settle for this I thought and I don't really think that mistake last week that in the end I'm stuff and. Believe it will go with people for me I was at the FIA and the FIA like any good they'd for space the other week if he's a bad. Thought I'm going to have to since. I don't know how you can see that as an advantage for all of it because I got the FIA honestly every time a 2nd goalkeeper comes in the always of well these against those who go into this game the Russian will find in me says of course he won't go in there but the irrational fan which when I was in my Instead Obama will say and this is ridiculous Chris. Bravo is going to have an absolute superstar of those I mean I don't. Don't think you get the respect they deserve some say if I'm to rails like a full apostle or a goalkeeper you know we talk but like you some sunday league shortstop with a tract of the puck you know that it's all player and if you put She says it will be remembered as a hero if he doesn't it will go and I put it off the process of all of just it's like a weight expression of regret. But yet there's that you know that's what we have to do the best of it and hopefully that I will talk about Claudio Bravo and he's the unlikely hero that we talk about when he saves 3 panel is in schools or would you say yeah I'm crazy I think it was. Always one of them I think for me that's one of the go that's the most exciting thing that can happen in football when an outfield pry as to going go if I wasn't even watching the game or I just I just saw right on and social media I switched on strike Oh I think it's going to be possible and I saw some tweets about that if you guys saw this back Shelly statistically he's like the base keeper in the well because he's got like a 100 percent. So yeah I'm sure he's there if God ever about Bravo I can do the job today car will come to me next right let's talk about humanity's then because is it the biggest managerial rivalry that we've got in the Premier League in any league in fact you know they the new game and also. Yeah absolutely it's still brewing and if it is a little bit more of a polite nice about at the minute but with every little pool player that I can know the little bits that into the fire I think with the Post today the last of the little pool funds going to post again I think that what we're going to talk for. The moral distance that a lot of rejections and I think in 5 or 6 years we will talk about Pacman Jones I happened Klopp in the same way that I thought we would talk about Papa Joe as a robbery whether it's a picket robbery I mean there's a couple there's ones going around and I think. And a punch in Papeete a little bit something I think is I don't think of the all the money management rivalries I mean there's no one. Welcome everyone. I think the British. Public mixed in a good old managerial post well we've already seen haven't we guys that you guys have mentioned in the little digs that they started having each other in the press conferences and that was it did pay star I think they started it with the dive Khomeini and then as since then kind of crops nibbled back as well by level at least to meet it we saw a carrot to pepper as well and I was like we played it out on a post about show us a square straight after the game outside the f.c. Had to be played out every. So of current to flow in but no I love to do you probably know I love the Venga figs in kind of rivalry you know it was pretty on a lot of the eating at Austin games and I really agree with Alex I totally feel like we are in the you know the 21st century's version all of that now and yet and I love it I think this goes back to when they would and Jamie as well though you know the other when they wouldn't do that in your if they've got here I think you can call a rival report I actually do think they really respect each other I fully expect a path to come out with something not really so why would you try and get in the heads of officials of the other managers the other players inside why wouldn't you do that it's about creating an advantage and Alex Dickason was the master of it just like to clarify those that there is absolutely no orchestrates of me soap of any post that anyone who is listening there is no. Obviously what happened last year was ridiculous and no live proof on concerns that it was wanted he is on there is nothing I would like to think there's nothing to fear about the boss because the talk of all of Bill funds is we want to we want to win the league more than so much of course and we want to get into that stadium Hoff and I would say we want to get all the flags and we want to be screaming Frost seemed to win this game I just wanted to make that you know I don't job it sort of yeah I did want to come across is that I was offered a little pool funds could also little pool funds like robberies aside everything there also to cry upon the most upon the money to build that much it always electrical. Well welcome in the post like the way that the weather did with 1000 people on the streets it was also they wanted to get carried away a lot I'm sure every single film would agree that for a ball to the players because that's a minority and that doesn't represent a political book the atmosphere that would generate I'm still possible it will be all you know that's what that's what that ground is all about and it will be a much cooler Kasia than that in a huge pot down to pull funds and do what they do best agree and I agree with Alex and Tony think it's a really great sentiment How about you just want to say that it wasn't just one fund and I think leave a pile of money to kind of. Kind of try to make people believe and I know the clips that it's about it was one fun it wasn't 100-1000 doesn't cause that level of destruction on a bus what it was and I think it's just worth saying I think Alex maybe meant that the welcome for the bus they want to they want to line the streets again like that Champions League night to start the intimidation early rather than you know actually attack the boss which is silly and not needed in football it's almost like if you look kind of big year playing games or a cop with a laboratory game you know matches like that where the fans are already on the streets ready to put in a shift to scare the up at say before they even get on the pitch and I think Liverpool do that really well and I think it's partly down to the fact that the location of m. Field is still. Very residential around there the guy down some windy streets to get to the ground and they can really get close to it where is you know when it's. Complaints a bit like the Manchester City the because it's where they have Commonwealth Games was and so it's like a little bit out of town there's no houses really around there it's hard to kind of create that image intimidating atmosphere I guess just some quote here actually when he was asked if he and caught up with the modern day equivalent of anger and Ferguson said I would need my head to grow because they were more than 20 years together we kind of compare anyone with Alex Ferguson and Austin Venga they were legends at their own clubs and they were there for more than 2 decades which is true Bob. Kind of feel like already because the appetite is there for rivalry we're seeing this escalate so quickly and then if you think of you know back to Alex Ferguson versus Austin make it all the shenanigans that we had between those 2 would you know pizza guy and they said that the mind games that started 6 months before they played each other but because of social media I feel like this rivalry is getting loads of attention and it's growing really really quickly here it is and it's not because the 2 teams are the super seems in the country and them whenever that whenever whenever there's a rivalry like that it's because of how many games you seem to play against those teams so the one in the Premier League era that was kind of a new rivalry the Rizzo's and Chelsea in 2005 to 2008 something like that and that's because we can't meet them in Champions League so many finals you know 2 out of the 3 years we can't meet them coach semifinals or school when you play more than 2 games against one of the best sides arrival reduced bring up quickly I don't think it's anything no surprise to anybody that this is happening and then because you throw in the the historic rivalry between by Munich and Dortmund then coming from Guardiola there in clumps ability to get the better of. The on in the rivalry and Guardiola did a really great job last season in changing and doing well against clock probably for the 1st time actually getting the better of him and now it's back on the clock when he's on the defensive slightly where he has to figure out how to get the better this month as the city sides and and and their great players so the arrival we will continue to grow will continue to get fiercer and fiercer. Because of social media but more importantly because the 2 teams are absolutely bloody brilliant Chris because of people like yourselves a you know it's there in pieces on the on your channel was you know that finds out you are different we don't wait on time for months if I'm going to make on time for Liverpool fans and if other people want to watch it that's fair game you know you're saying you're the. Right. We were going to break this down now who's the best this is where we got it and I'm not just going to say who's the best full stop because your book your view side for your own money I don't Weiss to base So what we're going to do is going to break into categories so who's the most stylish thinking along the way as it's had a book called a gun you raise an awful cause it can reach I can't defend because you look at it. Seems like ecology that it is it's part of who it's such a bad cause you need subpoena all you Joe Kubert all the old Claudio is making called a confession of guilt because he felt credit for the white people already well life coach Paterno is by the college a good sexy drummed out is well. It's incredible that you just was called if you like to challenge people couldn't handle it football couldn't handle it the cost of the stadiums wouldn't take it if it was thought Russians actually might bring it back when we got in folding clothes Yeah I'm going call and he's aware of it like why the old its eyes didn't go to me Oh even I don't like the cardigan I'm still going to say Pat I think the day that we made my tracks to and say you style he's going to be yanking on it and I was outrageous prices so we split down the middle of go at the cost involved I'm going to say club just because of his take you know the old Nash is down any the I would have stayed you know looking great I'm still here for anybody. Best go celebrations. Last season running on the pace with all of us. I mean that's not good and soft that it's obvious and that was like last Christmas I think was on average celebrates more than cloth cloth quite on the states it usually is me but he just couldn't contain himself if the singular celebration I thought of it all I probably say quads you want to celebrate small so I think it's off say that fell on our fridge always still gladiola sort of right slot must have goals like and socks on Christmas Day It's all right smile I'm going to get the old fish I think I'll give you clothes. Individualize a clump and the ring around and up your release of energy that you get from you can call always heat up from poppies a little bit more calm. Balls and balls and balls and then I must go guys Ed and it makes right to make it so I'll get a call yam agree with Alex I will give that once called All right yeah. That's Ok so you know it's a close it's no good just to say yes I fall guys will put it out who would you most like to go on a night out with this is it yes you know they are everything. You know I mean Pepys cool isn't going to pass Go take you for sophisticated meal somewhere he's going to give you some nice selection of wine maybe some champagne and you can get all the best fineries that you can and then you probably going to go out and have an old you know also a night out with them I think you can probably do it if you want to just go down the local pub and just you know have a you know a down in Pike County Ok I don't know how do you hear that yeah I totally gig and I don't actually go for you know I mean this is you may as well go in. 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