Radio 5 Live. On the West Midlands. Do it all right what do you think. Just a pollie. I am no fan of Doris Johnson whatsoever but it seems to my. Free. Fall that coincidence. Destroys a blank and. There are so at least a few that call being big here my i Phone 6 to remember when you were at school you 16 year olds. Animals from. The don't want to stick do you know how many pages are Tom the m. Pace are expected to be across and terms of Boris Johnson's new proposed date 65 over 500 pages. The other $500.00 titles less than 24 hours to read it but the point he. For example self employed get Yep and if I saw 100 pages of something to worry eat to come and do something to go haggis and I actually want to be a. Front runner of the person that's going to get your job then crush on going to read to follow 100 pikey or if I'm not going to read the fall under Pike I'm going to go through that anyway obviously metaphors I hit them for going to 500 pages thing what do you think we should do next. Person one of our kids laced my family didn't leave. The space need to mobilize and start mean bad get lucky to still speaking tonight. I think we should release another really did and I think we should lay the daylong Now Dale purely and simply because. If you leave your local local social club that's 3 years less. Well for Sansom has said he's going to press on on taunted despite m. Pace today back in the principle of yet another delay to the process here's what he said I continued in the very strong belief that the best thing for the u.k. And for the whole of Europe is for us to leave with this new deal of truth. And trying to separate the questions that are coming from the benches opposite I will not negotiate a delay with the e.u. . And neither does the law compel me to do so I will tell our friends and colleagues in the e.u. Exactly what I've told everyone in the last 88 days that I've served as prime minister but further than they would be bad for this country. You can find full democracy but the Liberal leader Gerry Corbin had by labor is not prepared to sell out the communities that we represent we're not prepared to sell out their future. And we believe that ultimately the people must have the final say on Bret's it which actually only the Labor party is offering today as it is storage day for parliament because it said it will not be blackmailed by a prime minister who is apparently prepared once again to defy a law passed by this Parliament I invite him to think very carefully about the remarks he just made about refusing apparently to apply for the extension which the e.u. Number 2 Act requires him to do in the last or forced Johnson has sent a letter champions 3 entering his position and Bracks said one of our producers has voiced up the letter for us dear colleague I wrote on Friday to outline why our new deal allows his country to take back control that breaks it down and let the country move on. I have made clear I do not want more delay European leaders have made clear they do not want more tonight it is to my great regret that today the House has voted for more delay the public wants us to get Briggs it done so the country can move on the best thing for the United Kingdom in the European Union is for us to leave with this new deal on the 31st of October I will not negotiate a delay with the European Union I will tell the e.u. What I have told the British public 88 days as prime minister further today is not a solution that is why next week this government will introduce the legislation needed for us to leave the European Union with our great new deal on the 31st of October it is quite possible that our friends in the European Union will reject Parliament's request that further delay or not take a decision quickly in these circumstances I hope colleagues on all sides of the House will faced with a choice of our New Deal or No Deal support this new deal colleagues more than 3 years after the British people voted to leave the European Union they expect us to finally to live on our promises they expect us to get Bragg's it done so we can all move on and focus on the people's priorities I will continue to do all I can to get Briggs it done on 31st of October so the country can move on I hope I can count on your support in doing so you'll sincerely bars Johnson Bush Johnson aka one of our producers chauffeur Baker is a European journalist piston proselyte Hello Jennifer. Good evening good evening so this letter requesting an extension it's going to be sent the next yars right. Well God is always believed by law but everything about this progress process is it is your money and it's going it's very very difficult to say and of course if Boris Johnson sends a letter as the panic requires them to do. Do we know yet if he intends to send a 2nd letter basically contradicting the 1st one. He could do that I mean we don't know I mean I'm looking at this in the Brussels perspective I'm talking to the diplomats in the e.u. 27 and they are old looking at this and of like the more they can do it is genuinely send to them I'm right across the ocean the European Commission right now and the talk why they respond because a big issue for us here in the e.u. Literally for those that is here is here in the e.u. It. You know or isn't one of the genuine basis for an extension sorry a technical extension that's fine that will be granted and the likelihood for a further extension probably based on something called Great Basin either a referendum or a new general election the idea were up at the 2nd letter is it's still you know it isn't very much you know in the of the e.u. Whether or not by happens but what if they call to lose Jennifer and granting an extension because the longer the u.k. Stays in the e.u. And I guess the more chance we might be in the e.u. For ever it might give them peace and more time to begin the momentum for another referendum or a general election result and a party saying we don't want to leave any more provoke Article 51 ever so have they got anything to lose and are laying bricks. Well I mean from the e.u. Perspective the only issue with the delay is that it just pure rag this whole thing out farther and let us not forget dregs of fatigue that months ago that a lot of people like to hear in the corridors saying last year are there any. Chance or can you hear me I can hear you hello Jennifer Yes Well around Washington for Kathleen critter Manchester Hello Kathleen how do Stephen I've been waiting a long time to speak to you. Hello Jennifer can you hear me 9 I can hear. Jennifer make your card I can hear you fine I can hear program fine sorry Jennifer you are there I can hear you know if I say I can hear something went wrong with the with the line so I was just . I was just asking is there Jennifer and I think you responded by saying that look it just keeps the striking on but is it not yet in the interests of the e.u. To keep the striking on. In a bloater macro sense it's not you're absolutely right and there's a lot of feeling here in Brussels that they would just like this over and done with you know 1st Johnson's new multo is get Gregg's it does put a lot of people who actually don't really agree with bankers but still I actually agree with his idea of get it done because it's very tiresome and the 22nd but and that's a very big but no one will so arland under the bus I mean what we need to remember by the e.u. 27 is although there are some big countries that we all look at we look at Germany we look at France but it is actually predominately a group made up of smaller nations and they all the island and they will not so I don't under the bus on this they will support as long as we have a anchor says we need more time we need to work this out harder and I you know and I'm in the front line in the in the negotiations on this they will still continue to give an extension what I think is interesting is that this idea that if Boris Johnson ask for an extension he will be allowed to say how long it is that is not the case under Article 50 the case is that the e.u. $27.00 decide how long that extension is. Key truly any significance into Polish Johnson speaking to some of the e.u. Leaders after this result command from the vote today I notice that he's been speaking to the Dutch prime minister for example. After parliament forced him to seek further delay. On and. Said we discussed the situation in Iran Bracks I wish him every success the next steps in the British parliament and prime minister ruts the Dutch prime minister said yeah that the 2 leaders have agreed to keep in close contact. Yes I mean obviously Barton's is going to trying to do as many of the he did as he can over the next few days and hours Margaret as a Dutch prime minister he's very much your gateway act that city like another gateway doesn't exist the same but they leave a way access to some of the rest of the feelings of the e.u. 27 microphone is very hardline we will only give links tension if it's brought warranted because of the general election or a referendum angle or Merkel is always the peacemaker you know and I'm going to Merkel and Emanuel McCrone over say this good cop bad cop and the other says it's not unusual it's actually quite smart to talk to Mark 1st because he is somewhere between the 2 and he has the ear of a lot of the other guy that I'm to say to him is a good idea yeah my being too cynical Jennifer finally and wondering whether the prime minister could be talking to some of these leaders to try to actually convince them to not accept the sentiment within his letter that he's been forced to send sign sent to them could he be trying to some to return. If he is then Margaret is not the president this big day because he will grant an extension. If Boris Johnson wants to try and persuade in the lead to to veto it and that is a very serious issues of that press and we do it because that's not just vetoing this one single issue that is unlocking that person's core that country's cards for the next 5 to 7 years old whether or not they can be trusted in the European Council it's a really big political sort of ace to play if you like in the poker game of e.u. Politics and I don't believe any of them will really play it and journey if anyone's going to play it it's not going to be the Netherlands. So no so if you could try and persuade someone is going to be. So more like maybe like someone from Poland name is going to be bitter or better from the way but I generally even then I don't think they would play that card I don't really see it happening that anyone will be to it from Boris Johnson's game maybe they will do for political gain at home but that is a very very dicey game to play Ok thank you very much and to speak our poll Cournoyer Joelson play evening to Joe Wilson I stated. Anything Joelson Hi Can you hear me I'm here. Not there let's use the time we have them he is with his night Jonathan play can evening to you Hi Stephen it's a busy night we got there in the end we did so we're wondering Jonathan. About these this letter I nearly said these letters that the prime minister may send to the new Because of course the Ban Act requires him by tonight by then to play tonight or so by 11 o'clock tonight Jonathan let me talk to the line yeah to send a letter to the e.u. There has been speculation that he might send Turkey there has because from the very start since this prospect was raised and Hilary Benn got his legislation through Parliament requiring him to send that letter asking for an extension Downing Street has made it clear that while they would comply with the law in the government would comply with the law requesting that extension they would certainly look for a way round it and while complying with the letter of the law do everything to give the impression to the e.u. That it was certainly not Boris Johnson all the government 60 intention to ask for or receive an extension to the Bracks it process so the idea of sending 2 letters is a as you suggest one way that people have suggested the prime minister may well look to get around that legal requirement to ask for a delay but the letter is on its way in some form or another we know now because the prime minister spoke earlier tonight to the president of the European Council Don of Turkey represents the 27 other member states and he has said that he is now expecting that letter so what may accompany it or what else the prime minister may do to signal to the e.u. That he doesn't want that extension that he has written to them requesting will have to wait and say so so in essence what he may then to Jonathan is make it very clear to the to not really pay much attention to the spurt of the lesser he signs because he doesn't believe in it no and we've seen in recent days when the prime minister. Started calling the extension Parliament's request for an extension styling very much as a request forced upon him and made by parliament rather than he himself and so that plays into the strategy that Downing Street is employing in the narrative they're trying to put forward that is Downing Street prime ministers doing all he can to deliver bricks it by the end of October he's negotiated this deal made significant concessions but its parliament is doing everything it can to stand in the way of that over the many M.P.'s would disagree with that yes if he tells that Jonathan is he not going against the spirit of what Parliament intended for many people will argue that and we've said commentators journalists many M.P.'s have said that if the prime minister tries in any way to get around the lore and do anything other than comply with it wholeheartedly and enthusiastically then this could end up in court I'm sure whatever the prime minister tries to do alongside sending that letter there will be parliamentarians lawyers ready to pounce and ready to challenge the government's actions in court as we've seen several times throughout this process I get a headache sometimes trying to keep keep I had a run and what's actually happening here's another thing I don't understand tonight right so I hear that the government and I read that the government will attempt to hold another vote on its Bracks a deal on Monday not Bracks it daily will not have changed by now on day so why are they holding a vote 2 days after losing it Harkat they possibly get that through if nothing has changed it's another go and it's another chance for the government say to M.P.'s look this is the best you're going to get is the only deal we're going to negotiate with the e.u. So it's time for you to support it and it will be different if it goes ahead because that's down to the speaker it's not necessarily a given that it's going to happen if it goes ahead obviously today's very on the deal was amended to the point where the vote in the eyes of Downing Street became Nolen void and it turned into a vote for further delay to. Breaks it process and to further ensure that a no deal breaks it is ruled out but if Monday's vote goes ahead and it isn't amended which it still could be then it would be a yes or no vote effectively on the Prime Minister's deal but many ifs still before that ends up happening in the House of Commons but his jumper not already made it clear last month. If you can't you can't present the c.m. Vote twice that's why M.P.'s didn't get to vote for a 3rd time on to reason May's deal and that is one rule one interpretation of Parliamentary Standing Orders which may come into play the government may put down or a motion which is a bit different to the one which M.P.'s were voting on today as a way to get round that rule which the speaker has enforce that you can't just keep asking M.P.'s to vote on the same thing over and over again until you get the answer you want and there may be other things that the government does to try to make sure that it's in order in the speaker's eyes but certainly he wasn't very happy John Bercow when Jacob Riis more the leader of the House of Commons stood up after the vote result in the Commons earlier and said This is what the government was planning to do said there should be an emergency business state and they should be time for M.P.'s to look at what the Government's proposing and put down amendments to it so he's certainly not on side yet and we'll have to wait for his decision on Monday to see whether M.P.'s get another vote and another chance to say yes or no to the deal nice to talk to Jonathan finds you very much indeed Oh in with 5909693 let's head to London and Richard hello Richard. So you were at the March today were you I was indeed yes very much but tell me why . So I think probably the right. Thing a 1000000 miles away from what thankfully but now there are a 1000000. Of them. Where the money if only. When you say you're demanding a people's vote why do you think you're entitled to vote if if you've seen what happened as a result of the last referendum that the country has now been divided for 3 and a half years why why should result of the next food that you want bring any more of a conclusion to this saga than the last one didn't. Know it well and I think there's a really simple reason why the last one didn't because there were a number of contradictory frankly as well as anything else made on it by the by I certainly was one of the people in a campaign where I made it 26 they even accepted it was over the referendum but the reality is that you talked up what was probably one thing and in the end I just more funding likely tried bills across the world the Bracks it being delivered now either in or still able to raise my voice of the public quite unique interview and I believe what they were writing. Isn't anything on its promises so I think the most democratic thing it's millions of people across the u.k. a. Good bye being given something that all of them have out of sight. Of some of the protesters actions today towards for example Jacob Reese Morgan is young son Peter really really I mean by training. And I mean you know darts on legs and was abused as she walked out of the possible Westminster they have a police escort. Yeah I saw a couple of videos of that and obviously any of the so any member of Parliament or any barber of public no matter what side of the break the pie we absolutely can dine in that's not what I would expect of people if the 4 people 5 or the anyone in the. Yes I'm a happy with how my played out I think I think is of reflecting upon the fact that there were a 1000000 people on the streets of London but the overwhelming majority of the nasty 9.99 percent of them display and I think it's a service pack yes you're right obviously. The division this happened in the country and come down to it from people on both sides I can tell themselves with isn't a cry for and that's not how we want when it's the know how we want the conduct and did you get a sense of anger or frustration and not protest. Until this was the more of a sense of hope and in particular jubilation at the end you know there are tens of thousands of people in Parliament Square we live green the. Women the of the spoke about a fair amount on the show that the thing and when the vote came through and it was clear that Boris Johnson can or through his practice there which I think would be part and I think it would be part of the u.k. If people are very happy and I think that it's genuine that we have not been going in the next we are now any better than you or anyone else but I can see today what's going to happen what I do know is that for the 1st time potentially as there is generally a credible path of the part of the delivering a majority perfect. The evidence for that Richard. Well I mean you see I've got to say with that what about that amendment is not of course to stop Rex It has to deliver Of course it's not a was to ensure that it was to ensure that the climate wasn't I'll also respect it like the reality is that if you voted for that as well as other and you know it would. Be willing to vote for the climate. Which support the. We're talking about very slim margin but I do generally among scholars in the conduct of every lengthy censure the d.p. You know whisperings. To be less than say. Other labor m.p. Who maybe want to try and quote unquote get work that might be minded because it genuinely is the only solution to that quite the poor people like Richard nice to talk to you thank you very much indeed I'm very much 590-9693 we're getting use of half past 9. Digits old b.b.c. Sound. Is b.b.c. Radio 5 Live for the headlines I'm Richard Foster Boris Johnson has told the president of the European Council Donald Tusk that he's going to send a letter tonight asking for a braggart extension He's also written to M.P.'s saying he'll tell the e.u. a Further delay is not a solution and suggesting European leaders might reject the request it comes after the prime minister lost a key vote in the commons in which M.P.'s backed an amendment withholding support for his deal until all relevant legislation has been approved that I believe Jeremy Corbyn says the result was an in phatic rejection of Mr Johnson's strategy and the result was welcomed by thousands of anti Briggs it demonstrators in central London they were marching on Westminster to call for a public vote on the terms of the deal one of the story tonight and aid workers say a medical convoys managed to remove 30 injured people and 4 bodies from a border town in northeastern Syria Turkish and Kurdish leaders have accused each other of violating a truce that was arranged by the United States as the news Don Busby has the sport largest city have closed the gap on Premier League leaders Liverpool to 5 points with a. 2 nil win away at Crystal Palace Pep Guardiola was pleased with the win but culture aside to be more ruthless in front of goal he played a less power to me than the rethinking happened because they belong in the 2nd those are good and the referees and the terms are set pieces free kicks and it is difficult. To score 31 We deserve to be more clinical in this kind of games Leicester moved up to 30 in the table after they came from behind when to want to Him to lead the match didn't pass without v.a.r. Controversy though as Chris would thought that he'd scored an equaliser but it was disallowed after v.a.r. Ruled the strike had accidentally tripped Jonny Evans before the ball and hit the net and the Bernie manager Shaun Di feels it was the wrong decision the thing for me is Chris where he doesn't look anywhere out of accountable for the whole instant Well if you're going to trip someone trust me it was just a little look when you look at the election and I know so I am frustrated but I remain a farm I think it's a good thing for the guy overall I think it will strain on it will get better and better unfortunately we're calling still probably will hopefully learn from Delhi I scored a lady cries of a Tottenham as they were held to a one hole troll with bottom side was that there was some confusion with that goal as well the video assistant referee correctly awarded the strike but the screens inside the stadium indicated the decision was no goal the Premier League have since released a statement with Hawkeye apologizing to fans after they sent the incorrect graphic Everton Leicester Chelsea and Aston Villa all one was born with a Norge to nil nil and Celtic return to the top of the Scottish Premiership after they some dross County 6 now the Football Association say they're working with the match officials and the relevant authorities as a matter of urgency after an f.a. 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In sli sets at the European Open in Antwerp live on the late Premier League anyone else. Find life Premier League Sunday for Manchester United is House level this is. His b.b.c. Radio 5 Live on the b.b.c. Sounds less stable and so have another Bracks a delay after M.P.'s voted for an amendment to parse Johnson's e.u. Agreement tabled by the former conservative independent all for let went today he was thrown arch of course of the Conservative Party when he voted against the Prime Minister's earlier Bracks and plans let's find out what's in store what the conservative m.p. For on 1st Andrew Ross and all thinks about the escalating very good evening so let one Wednesday. Well I don't think so because we have discussions coming up this week so yes it certainly delays it but it doesn't mean the BRICs it's all happening but it does mean that the Prime Minister's Super Saturday is not super. Nova it's a disappointment and I think they'll be millions of British people around the country who will be in can test and what's happened today the fact is that we've waited 3 in office to get a reasonable deal that we can actually seriously look at we had to put Tuesday and I think most people wanted it done and dusted we wanted to have a meaningful vote and get it through at last but unfortunately so all of us decided to scupper things so I don't think really is what the British people want they want it over with and I think it's a great shame that today was super Saturday and we could say to the British people well we've got the deal now there's going to be no deal that actually going to be with you and then I think people would have been much happier Instead we've got another few weeks or few days of agony until this whole thing is over on the 31st of October there may have been some people Andres watching politics watching all of all the shenanigans in the House of Commons for the 1st time today they might have been tuning into the Parliament channel listening to the radio whatever for the 1st time would they not have been called smart when they heard opposition M.P.'s point out that no economic impact assessment of Boris Johnson's proposals for this country had been dong. I think there's been so many predictions about what may or may not happen about Brecht and how the effects will pan out we already know that so many of them have been proved to be incorrect to the protections of the time of the referendum. Unfortunately we don't live in a world where you can play to things will definitely happen and of course you can make impact assessment as you will well know is a pretty basic function of government isn't it that when they when the when the proposal policy and indeed a policy change for a country it is standard practice to do an economic impact assessment on and here we don't know if any of the most fundamental changes to our country certain in my lifetime know we can all make impact assessment on. And how do you handle anything that would take I mean for it has only just come back from Brussels to tell you. I don't in all seriousness think that within 36 hours he could present a detailed economic impact about the implications of city over his structure. If I create a lot but surely my follow up question to you would be on very wide to the set this artificial deadline that wouldn't normally we're responsible prime minister to say we've got to give them peace time to read the fine detail of this we've got to give the house enough time to be as it ought to scrutinise the legislation we've gone give it time and in the economic impact assessment to make sure this is all right for this country. No Absolutely no I mean this is where he was. You know we white society many protections and specimens about what may or may not happen and only does his delight and delay and delay it we already understand that practice it is a big adjustment we know that things will have to change but we that's what we voted for and the government have already made lots of preparations for potential change and have already accounted for mitigation for any possible problems that may occur so I don't think there's any mood to be honest even I really don't think there's any mood for more and more delays and more and more reasons to put it off until you know forever never the country won't sit down and we've got a deal Boris took that to Paul and I think they'll be widespread disappointment once again we've got to wait for this to come back and we still don't know if the most happening people are getting really fed up and I think it's time this matter was put to bed here's another thing the public will trust will will be able to understand because it happens in all of our lives the ability or lack of ability to trust someone so I saw Boris Johnson I literally saw him walk in to the do you pay party come. Since last year I saw him stand up to the people who were keeping him relevant who he was comforting as someone the could help get him to par as prime minister and he promised not just the day you paid but the people of Northern Ireland the new British prime minister including him could ever contemplate it regularly alignment he walked out of that having made the solemn promise he said that would it would jeopardize Northern Ireland's place in the u.k. Walked I went back got the gay guy and betrayed the very promo see give to unionise in Northern Ireland is not a man the country can trust. I can't pretend that I'm getting body happy with everything that positive. Forces pull back I know I this is what has integrity Andre and I know whether you can trust. Account so. That he had to make some very tough compromises to get to the position we're in now of course the regulator lime and the d.p. Kept it actually if you remember that was the 1st cough of it that he put forward and they kept it they would they would remain following the single market so I agree good and industrial good so they did except that heating came back anyhow talking about the content and also being aligned to the Customs Union in respect. So yes we did have to make a compromise and I don't particularly like those compromises need a night of people to be denied to people in Northern Ireland when he said he had never learned that he has a law and he told me he would he have an eternity owners community of Northern Ireland that he would never do what he has not done what can I just point I'd like to finish the point of course because the point you're missing is not permanent I want. To find a way. To get us over the next few years until we've got the technology we can quite developed yet to actually do this without having to have these regulations imposed no law it is accepting that it can be can't be exactly as you want it but in the future it will be we can get to spiritual where we don't have these problems on Satan its own side we've said it you've said that he has not lied he did not need to make a cast iron promise and he was making a cast iron promise to the people to the Unionist community in Northern Ireland and he was making it in order to be popular with the biggest Unionist Party in northern Alabama has he needed them to get the job and he stood up and he could have used language too to say Well look I can't make a promise because I don't know how these negotiations are going to go or I might have to provide might have to compromise it's not what he did he stood up and he said no British prime minister could ever contemplate doing this and he told them he would never do it and he went further and this is my next point Andriy he told the Unionist community that to have regulatory alignment and that so-called bordered on the Ari say would threaten northern Ireland's position within the u.k. Now why is that language and I've heard this from some loyalist Andriy Why is that language dangerous because they believe them and some loyalists on the grind who might have been involved in the past in violence and very serious followers in Northern Ireland they believe the prime minister and noid those very people who have put violence behind them feel betrayed is that not dangerous because this is beyond a politician spoofing this is beyond a politician changing his mind. What if the prime minister actually has made loyalists in Northern Ireland feel so betrayed that they even contemplate come back the violence this is what is at stake here from a man who should surely realize that his words mean something when he gives a promise. I don't think any justification from any side to talk about any kind of violence over this it's basically about what he's put forward a 100 percent comfortable to myself I think that he's a compromise and of course if the u.p.a. Are happy but let's just look at it very carefully what he's saying so he's not actually saying there is a border down the r.e.c. What he's saying is that could that are being exported to the island of Ireland would have to meet certain reget customs regulations if they were heading towards the self so things that are coming from Great Britain into the art of the fall and if their intention is for them to go on to the south then of course they would have to pay any Jew to soon follow certain regulations that is what has been proposed and that would not happen is that wouldn't happen in Ireland that would happen either on a ferry or in Liverpool only had or ever else it might be you know if I would be a foreigner now I see. That you know it depends how you define a border when I think of a border you know you we're thinking of the watch towers in the ball draw ire and the gates and all the things that we remember that happened in Northern Ireland. Between all of us in the self before they didn't know we talk about we talking about importing goods and most of this will be done in a tone so that comically won't need any challenge or do you understand and I'm not trying to be popularising I think I'm really I'm genuinely all such you don't understand of attention to the danger do you understand who don't you yes no let me put this point is a final point do you understand the sensitivities in Northern Ireland do you understand that the peace process can be fragile do you understand that there are people from within the Euless community who are starting to talk about thinking about what violence would bring in terms of political gain for them and they are asking what they know because the prime minister has broken the promise that he made to unionise in Northern Ireland. I don't think there's any justification for anybody to consider going back to violence I think it's very important to keep peace measured and don't exaggerate what is being proposed However I completely accept that the he's beyond where any of us wanted to be However we all know Paul find that the entire country the whole of the u.k. Is on a par outs of the all the things already transitional until we finally get to the ultimate destination which is the entirety of the u.k. Including over the island being part of a global free trading partnership with the rest of the world again that's where we want to be and that separates he's taking us 2 outs of the orbit of the e.u. Completely annoyed all the more not be part of the Customs Union those people out of the u.k. The customs arrangements and any trade deals any arrangements will be through the United Kingdom it's we're only talking about goods going into the Irish Republic so it's really important Stephen to keep this measured and not make it sound as if the some huge barrier between Great Britain and Northern Ireland which I would never support for is a unionist he would never support that but we've got to look at it in the context of getting through this this period of change because it is a period of change and we need to get it right so become a permanent success for all British people under thank you very much indeed the consent for Rome for 2. 100 forget the horrid arts rules and notice your who's 80 mph. The s.n.p. Spokesman on trade is even Schuster if you're here are you good evening I'm doing Ok Thank you my goodness in black for today and your party you're not happy a part of Northern Ireland on the benefits that Northern Ireland got you think this is a good deal for Northern Ireland to the point where in Blackford was crying out today that Scotland will not be the disadvantage to Northern Ireland so maybe the people of Northern Ireland should be rejoicing stirred. From a practical point of view some of the advantages some of the advantages which the going to get. Well what having the problem and this pertains to your last conversation is there are other people in all the violence a holes in the mother the trail the broken promises the will be a Customs Border done that ever see that is not our inevitable but is was the vote because of those regulatory this new regulator light at the moment that's I suspect subject to the consent of Stallman want to stop and running and imagine the fin the what and you hadn't lost sight regulate freeboard of under the east west customs border you know goodness gracious me that would be pretty bad place to be in the long run but in the short run of course our advantage is Scotland was summoned of said people for this is a proposal we've made unfairly l.a. In 2016 only for the u.k. Government to say it couldn't be done so the whole thing really is a bit of a shambles. You seem to be looking on with envy after top point to you but is this just another excuse for s.m.p. To push for an independent Scotland is this a bite back to the whole feel this is all about rights. We don't like this is all about right we don't like we don't like the process we don't like the outcome the deal of course being even worse than to reason is due but it certainly gives us an added justification as to why Scotland should be independent a lot dragged out that I don't think that in many people in Scotland would have chosen but there's new type of pranks it that you will support there's no type of deal that you will support that isn't true and again if I could take it back to 2016 we actually put forward a very detailed proposal if the had to be it Bragg's it I told the was one that could have walked that would have absolutely minimized the damage it could be part of phases of. The type model where you affectively stay in the single box and the Customs Union of course if they accept some freedom of movement that was rejected out of her mind and I were in a position where what I was being offered this far far worse than not according to the government's own analysis so if I had to be a break. The governor said yes to call provides it would be pretty difficult for the s.n.p. Not to support So what happens next. Well obviously they let amendment was passed today that requires the. Withdrawal and implementation bill to come forward on some point but of course that's been butchered from its original proposal so we need to look at the details but they it meets consequence of passing that is that the deal such was not agreed it's subject with all agreement therefore the prime minister is Jersey but I did legally buy land not have to seek an extension so I think the answer to your question in one puff is let's see what he does if the cult courts up to get involved and I think that's going to be important then what the government doesn't Thames of business because if they try to simply bring back a meaningful vote for the 6th time I think they're on the hiding to nothing if it tried to bring back a simple motion to overtime but I suspect that would have any force lol and I'm not a toll sure what happens on Monday or Tuesday as relation to the remainder of the Queen's speech debate because it may well be next week and amongst all the breaks and stuff the government failed to get the programme for government or the House of Commons so I can't tell you precisely what's going to happen there are 'd a number of options I think we're going to all have to be pretty much of a toast to keep up do you think the Speaker John Bercow will a lot of this vote on Monday Kim do you think he should well essentially said in the points of all of this evening I'm slightly poller facing but what he was asked the specific question he did basically make the point it would be quite irregular for that to come back again so I think the government is going to have to be quite cute or open and honest about their intentions up and I do suspect this added complication published strengthens the justification that many of us have the prime minister should seek the extension to find a cogent way through this there is speculation I'm going to find out very soon. What Boris Johnson the prime minister. Is going to do about this mandate this requirement to write to the e.u. By 11 o'clock tonight so we'll find out next hour. When he says there's been some commentators have been on this program tonight and they don't or the last week or 2 you have been wondering if he will send 2 letters one letter that he has been mandated to send and another or some type of suggestion that actually he doesn't like it doesn't want it he may well do this sadly because he's played the Sioux games if I was what it used to this would I suspect came to the intention of the legislation and I think the courts were going to involve the reach of Lee you know that the bad. Provisions are pretty clear he's got the railway on a stick an extension to January that's what everybody understood that legislation you're going to want to see that inspect that but it would be to be fair to the prime minister it would be quite disingenuous would it not for a British prime minister to just send a letter to the e.u. As he's legally required to do and not to point out to the e.u. What he believes and what he's been telling the British people I've looked I've looked at Ben not there's nothing in the Benedict. Prevents the prime minister putting and writing what his political beliefs are indeed a 100 letters containing Indeed I would be copes by if he didn't in his life to make clear we have he thought the position actually was but nevertheless requesting that the extension I doubt might give the European Union food for thought about whether to accept the tick see to it I want an extension to cut for example so maybe from his point of view something better in doing that but I'm absolutely sassed to the tabs of the legislation passed so far. He's to keep I want to send that letter to seek that extension to the final question where will you be in Monday than a year old gathering around the House of Commons on Monday ready for some type of vote for Michael Jackson Monday I want to think of I'm trying to think of some type of term like super super Saturn is it going to be Bob Muglia or what's going to May well be I can tell you will be I'll be in my office writing the speech for the cheers of the debate or the Queen's Speech one of the speech ever gets made one of the debris ever finishes her nose but yes coal weeks will all be here on Monday but because it was no match of the business statement close of play today we're going to have to wait till Monday for the leader of the House to actually inform Polman what the business will be and just a kind of time gentle vote what a ridiculous waits of a country when elected parliamentarians don't even know to any great extent the business they're going to be dealing with the next working day if you don't you won't find out what's happening among the until Monday not in detail because there was no a better chance a business statement such the bullet points for the debate they had that really is no way to run things because they come north of being. On the margins by the government one would have thought that the father the foresight to pre-pay or what they planned to do next of war and peace were expected to do on Monday Sure thank you very much into age just came by much from the s.n.p. Georges in Lancashire Hello George hello good evening George go I had meant what do you think. Is some of these politicians get to buy these Ramona's verbless when them with children. No visual of well I throw that up by In fact I asked one of the people who was out the process the protest if he was him the one who. When you're trying to magick embrace Mauger needs a police escort with a young son. But was one little comment but so will this lead apologize for both so you know these people should be trying to play in the dull with women I thought was the other side it also is going on. I mean it's just . In the middle and sort of. Hello that go ahead. Just want to say that. This extension. They want today. And the general. Extension. Union. U.k. Pulling out. Because they pull out and all the other countries 27. As well. To the people this is the deal tell the people give out the deal now if Sharif. When they did the referendum. This is the voice on this is what's going to happen now then straightforward as it is. At the Dail. And if we stay we stay one thing on. He's learned. People. And he decided to leave which is a big strange. So do you want to know the referendum that I think should happen tension given to the people Chris was going to happen in January extended and extended an expanded look at the x. Factor for. Josie's and he was dead last and then he turned it to the people to vote for. And that's what they should be doing they should be going to the people now they can be so. You want to take our lead from Simon. Thank you for my give me a brass feeds and I after m.p. Signal breaks it could take longer today or your problem are you all by them I'm about to tell you some dramatic new developments so stand by. For news and. Anyone else. I can even I'm Stephen old Richard has some breaking news this hour that's right Stephen the main news on 5 Live Boris Johnson will send 2 letters to the e.u. Tonight one unsigned for a break that extension the other saying he thinks the request is a mistake and saving City win at Palace to close the gap at the top of the Premier League till you have it it's exactly what we've been talking about over the last couple of weeks it's what some of you suggested he was going to do on the phones and he's done a confirmation of what was being rumored to letters are going to the e.u. From Downing Street tonight the 1st a letter to the Donald Tusk the president of the e.u. That requests an extension to the Bracks a process not complying with the law a senior number 10 source says the prime minister will not sign up letter the 2nd will be signed by Boris Johnson and will make clear that he believes of Breck's a delay would be a mistake and will appeal to e.u. Leaders to ask M.P.'s to consider their decision today and vote for the day in the u.k. And e.u. Have agreed with fight any further delays will be sent to don't ask and copy to all of the other 27 countries. This is b.b.c. 5 live their show the attorney general has been busy looking at all of this here's the news with Richard Foster Downing Street sending a letter to the e.u. To request a brags that extension of that sum to stood that one won't be signed by Boris Johnson but it'll be accompanied by another letter which he will sign saying he doesn't think there should be another delay all this is. The latest twist in a dramatic day in Parliament follows a vote by M.P.'s backing an amendment to give them more time to scrutinize the Prime Minister's agreement. So the breaking news this are force children will obey the law and send the letter to the e.u. Requesting a break to the extension but guess what here's the real use he won't sign it and it's only a photocopy of the letter that's included in the ban on which M.P.'s passed earlier this year so politics is all about thanks not putting a signature to it and he's making sure it is a photocopy and then what's he doing on top a lot he is sending a 2nd signed letter that makes it clear that he believes that delay is a mistake he wants e.u. Leaders to ask M.P.'s to reconsider their decision today and vote for the withdrawal agreement with 5 further delay that letter will also be called to all of the other 27 countries let's work hard at what this new development actually means with Jill Rutter from the thing to.