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For the weather overnight Charles will continue to push in from the west some heavy on prolonged the should be some kind of spells today the best of these in the north of Scotland close of 8 in the sorry Manchester on 7 degrees Celsius in Belfast. The 22 from the. Q 29 t. Because I. Think you are getting to you Kiki. McLean to keep the peace thank. You keep you. Listen. To. This night is just amazing they can't be bothered to cut 29 teams to file a police week and find life and find life sports extra Question Time extra time on b.b.c. Radio 5 Live. And well controlled Question Time extra time Good evening just over half an hour will be broadcasting question Tom as it goes out on baby c one but before then both try and have a good think and fathom out what the big story of the die is their reality is that today we have a deal which allows us to avoid chaos feel called fit between your 27th United Kingdom. Yes just after half past 10 u.k. Time this morning Mr Johnson tweeted to announce a Daler been done but the battle back home is far from one Northern Island the pay says he won't support the deal when M.P.'s vote on it on Saturday in the fading is many Tory M.P.'s called follow their late it's come towards the end of a wake which at times a stretch patients to breaking point and he was doing things as possible to give another organisation to release the other militant organizations I'm speaking of. And a scrape it felt like a struggle just to get your voice heard at all not really we have had. If we leave it will be delightful that this idiot will shut up he's exercising his democratic right I appreciate it makes a very able to do an interview do you want to do we'll have a guy as well we will try. To have a go. Joey. Is with us from the from the b.b.c. Or political department and the distinguished professor and and man on director of u.k. In a changing Europe Joey your the money shot a chance at people as they walk into down history going to resign prime minister what would you wear what would you what would you be shouting tomorrow morning Joe if you were positioned out there well suppose the obvious question is have you got the votes or you haven't got the votes have been other deep a way you are now you've got to keep it succinct you have got the votes that have you got the votes nearly syllables is not what you need you need that you need that feller's big Trump Well how you know thing don't I can say I've got to know him pretty well over the last couple words years your eyes look if and when this is ever so or to bite off and all pay for it amend next time you next time you got to shout something the whole of the whole of Westminster will hear what's what's happening around how are you doing I'm all right how are you not 2 but how you got out and I think is there's a there's a Villa fan next to your Leeds United Farm you're not in the. We beat West Brom as of yesterday but it's not going to be well otherwise sit down a few hiccups while we're at sea in that count the 3rd is bad for us you're I'm Ok . Charlie how are you doing. Just that. In the quarter actually I really am doing well we have Charlie Webster a fan of Sheffield You know I don't know here I knew you'd bring that ball into the football or introductions out of the why now where do we start here. Professor Ananth do tell us how this deal differs keep it simple for us would you how does this Dale differ from the one that's been rejected so many times before well the signature achievement the Boris Johnson wave around is the fact that the backstop is gone that's to say there's no longer this insurance policy for Northern Ireland that keeps the whole of the United Kingdom tied to a customs arrangement with the e.u. And tied to some e.u. Rules the price he's had to pay for that is that Northern Ireland alone is in a under a different set of laws for some things in the rest of the u.k. And there will be customs checks between the rest of the u.k. And northern oil and that's why the d.p. Don't like this deal at all so I mean to be fair to the prime minister he's the chief things I didn't think he could the e.u. Have agreed to arrangements on the 80 for instance or so appallingly weird and vague I never thought they'd go near them but he's managed to persuade them but the price he's paid is to have that slight separateness between northern oil and the rest of the country and if the day you pay have to cry themselves to slate then so be it would appear to be is fear you can't get it you can't please everyone all the time much as he seems to have tried and we're told he apparently doesn't you know you know we want to be loved by everyone but you know somebody was going to go are miserable and it looks like the day you pick the domain doesn't he need them there well I mean that's our job he's the one on on the sort of political mass of a county can he get this through without the support of the day you pick say impossible but extremely difficult and I guess what I've been thinking about today is having so many of these massive days in the to reason. I flew over and got her tail and you kind of look back and you think which days really mattered and the one I think back is June 8th 2017 went to the conservative lost a majority which is just so affects every part of this process that process because if the Conservative Party had a big majority then even if you therapies didn't like care they could get a deal through but now you have this constant kind of horse trading and battles and negotiations going on to get to this 320 votes to pass any sort of deal now we know that the deep a 10 of them say they won't back it surely some Conservative M.P.'s won't back it labor and pay some of the might that really like to get more of them on board then we've got this group of kind of rebels who got booted out of the Conservative party early this year some of them will back it so the next few days in Westminster are going to be this really intense of whipping process you know the whips will be trying to make sure every last Conservative vote for this because the Conservatives 2 years ago they lost a majority and it makes it really hard to pass a law especially something as contentious as this. Guy And we have all of the swerve the question from my side so Joe is I want I got the numbers to get the. Question Well but what what has got to happen it looks unlikely looks unlikely they have got to get almost all of these conservative euro skeptic euro skeptics on board and what happened last time is there were 3 big votes on trees amaze Dale the 1st time lots of these euro skeptics including Doris Johnson including dominant Rob including people in the cabinet now rebelled and then those numbers are kind of whittled down another 3rd of people up for us Johnson voted for it now I think about 30 of them voted against it on the 3rd vote and Bush needs to squeeze that down to if not 0 then you know like 5 or 10 and then there are Labor M.P.'s There are lots of Labor M.P.'s particular representing constituencies in the Midlands or in the North Wales where. People voted Labor and they want to get breaks it done even though they might not have supported it 3 years ago and lots of those M.P.'s have so. A lot over the last year or so you know we need to get back to done but when it's come down to actually voting for a deal proposed by conservative prime minister lots of them actually haven't gone through with it because if your labor and pay and your seniors voting for John Barr is Johnson's deal that might make your very in popular with a lot of your members a lot of your Labor colleagues a lot of them kind of haven't actually done it when it comes down to it and that's a big question whether some of those M.P.'s will be able to vote for this deal or not but Joey isn't the bottom line that those Labor M.P.'s that represent a constituency of leave have to save their constituents and not their party politics or those dissertations Ph D.'s written on me I mean sure I mean like surely like I'm not saying that either way I suppose there's so many things that who you're representing are you representing. But their job is to say who's voted for them. I don't think it is technically it's the it's well there's lots of M.P.'s who just say area that they don't they don't agree with the constituents of one specific issue they believe they vote for what's right and I suppose. You don't elect M.P.'s to necessarily vote what 50 percent 51 percent of the decisions vote for every single issue sometimes they'll deliberate and make decisions that are not popular for example the death penalty you know half the country support at half time pretty much virtually no one pays. So I'll show you how to vote tomorrow the death penalty in the Commons it would for by an overwhelming majority are quite often and pays will take a decision based on their own conscience their own decisions and their own opinions basically So it's not always just based on what the situates what not obviously if you're a constituent and you voted to leave 3 years ago you can justifiably be maybe annoyed if you're in pay. It seems to be not that I mean they're more likely to go for it I mean would you show it doesn't of course is their minds a bit they've got to make you know this or go shopping in their own constituency and and and face the wrath of if they don't do as the constituent Yeah I mean if you represent one of the states in south London where 80 percent of people voted remain in your labor and pay much as Kate Hoey who supports proxy represents what those states but I do think I do think we need to be a bit careful though because even in those northern seats were a majority of people voted leave it still perfectly possible that a majority of Labor voters were to remain absolutely rotten So actually if they're thinking about that there are there are 2 things I think if you're a m.p. Who's thinking about your electoral future you worry about that but the other concern is because everyone knows a general election is coming up and everyone knows that the best thing that can happen for Boris Johnson is to go into the election being able to say he's delivered Bracks it and I think that is going to make Labor M.P.'s we're wary Why would you give a conservative prime minister a present just before a general election so I just wonder so many of us out there are going I don't know I don't I don't believe what will happen on Saturday it don't believe anyone anymore and I don't know whether it's a good thing or a bad thing what will happen on Saturday but what does happen if he doesn't get the votes exactly so it's like it's not no deal it's only a single neverending deadlock if you leave it. It's you know we're going to have to go back there to Europe and get the 3 month extension if you doesn't get the vote is committed by law to write to the European Union and ask for an extension after that the e.u. Will consider it Monday and Tuesday is that the 3 month extension Well what the what the Hilary Benn lore says is that the prime minister has to write a letter they suggest that letter us for an extension till January the 31st he's free to ask for a different extension but parliament has to approve that if the e.u. Gives it and then what happens if he gets the extension if he gets the extension then this wonderful breakfast saga drags on into the new year here yes it just repeats itself yeah yeah Ok but they sort of got their heads together didn't they Johnson and Bonnie I and the impression they wanted to create I think was that there wouldn't be an extension which affectively with us which effectively turned Saturday's vote if that were the case lead to a Deal or No Deal scenario but in reality that's not quite true is it not it's not a body I guess Anyway is it to say that will or won't be or it was it was the press conference with you and you said I don't think you need anymore tare what you could didn't say firstly is we're not going to give an extension and secondly as you quite rightly say it's not up to him anyway it's up to the member states and I think under circumstances if parliament votes this down and we right now ask for an extension I find it very very hard to believe they're going to say no what happens what what's this confirmatory vote bits that is that's what I really get confused that say that confirmed confirmatory referendum is an amendment to this bill which Labor would vote for is that right that would pass from from a labor Lib Dems point of view but Tories wouldn't vote for that well look there are 2 species of referendum those just having a referendum because once a referendum confirmatory referendum which is meant to be a sort of more polite way of saying this which says will vote for a deal if we can have a referendum on it before we finally approve it there is a massive rally going on amongst M.P.'s as to whether or not they should be putting an amendment in on a confirmatory referendum for Saturday the fear is that they weren't to have the numbers if they did it now and they're wary of losing another vote in parliament. Ok So that seemed a bit of a certainty about 8 hours ago so it let you think that fighting because they can't work out whether to put that amendment a now as a possibly as a means of getting the bill throws so this this sort of the people's vote campaign called these people who are pro another referendum a kind of constant playing this careful game of like when do they move if they move too early and lose that not all kind of. Think about his idea of another referendum on projects I mean 2 years ago to seem like a crazy and almost seriously thinking about it and then you know there's been times which has looked like it is plausible now you've got labor backing and so I guess the thought is if you move at the wrong time then. It will never happen so I really want to get the timing right and I just I've always thought and wondered about a 2nd referendum what would happen if it was the same results or about the same into the other way about 5149 other where I think the same result actually would be the clearest possible outcome to this if we virtually tours we leave I don't see any way around that I think as Jerry says the really messy outcome is if you get 5149 the other way and a lower than one in 26 thing which one do you want to hear because isn't it really going out on either of yesterday or get through to 5 and then how long would that take a look at which this week we just need to talk to the foster just what we do so I got a question for you to comes from Dave. Johnson described Mrs Myers Briggs it Dale as I polished turd of the century the question you voted for how polished is polished is this one how would you describe this one if not polished turd I'll leave that with you keep it clean I'm as in as in Brussels are you party you know what are you doing or sitting in a hotel room exhausted that's not me if you listen all I know that if you start talking Don't interrupt him we've really seen him fight. Yeah I wish I was particularly funny though if I started the day I just didn't get it sort of very bbc low red but I started the day in a really swanky hotel where they were holding one of these pre-summit so maybe it was that the European peoples. Sort of the biggest group to get the call but I managed to speak to what. It is you know he's he's pay say let's say and I like sex you are safe Ok I thought you saying that. Basically I mean I did look to you to the guy I don't like you have said I know what it is but it is past 11 o'clock airspace pozole to said. He repeats the same page it is actually what he said So you know these things a lot people turn up and you have to kind of like shop your elbows a bit before I put them so I go right in front of jungle gym and I sort of looked him in the eye and I said you know I can get this deal through parliament on Saturday. And he looked at me and he sort of narrowed his our eyes and he said I do not control Westminster and then he sort of turned away and stalked off a lot feeling so beautifully chastised I think it turned interesting I was in a note nobody could actually say the opposite to that nobody could say oh you control Westminster because you know you really controls Westminster it is armed to have control Yeah well if this is a I mean it was it was a statement of fact but it was really interesting because he was he was at that sort of quite brusque whereas Donald Tusk a while so I was not for today I was I was pushing people out of the way left. I had a few minutes with you have to be like that these things I had a few minutes with Donald Tusk and he was sort of the opposite he was quite emotional because he's never bait any secret of the fact that he wishes that happened and you know and the debacle of positivity which you know the latest they've been really trying to look positive about this and all this you need to try to say this is it we're here is nearly over but all talk still today said no I wish I wish the u.k. Wasn't leaving you know I'm not happy about rights I'm still a rebate so it doesn't he said you know this is a sad day so may doesn't feel like a happy day but they've been kind of baking all these these efforts today the thing that really entertained was when we didn't know this was coming through about half past 10 this morning so we were waiting for the 1st arrival so the prime minister of Croatia turned. Entre plank a bitch. I said to vote if there's a deal and he said Oh yes I just found out I loved the idea of him sort of like the rest of us looking at Twitter in the backseat Fishel call him as he pulled up and realizing that you know. He had no I think he would vote but he knew as little as everybody else about how it's probably the cards very close to that you're saying that I would get out of the picture I was very he was very cool he was very cool just like all right thanks thanks for that from Brussels Let's go to John McCormack b.b.c. Northern islands Political Correspondent Jane I mean can you at the moment at the moment do you pray realize this was coming to pass I mean can you imagine the thunderous look on my face is that I mean no disrespect meant of a particular. So a very even when they are paid so what was that I mean that they're known for saying no to things and never I guess but they've probably known for a few days now that this was coming down the tracks because they were in and out of Dani's straight repeatedly at the start of the Wake trying to say if they could get forest Johnson to stick with them and it seems in the end His decided to push on ahead without them. Let's I mean let's just remind ourselves the promises that the promises he the promises he has made to them in the past he's what the Prime Minister pretty said to the day you paid the day you paid conference here is that the party conference last year opposing regulate rechecks down the r.t.c. If we wanted to do we genuinely wanted to do free trade deals if you wanted to cut tariffs on as we should by the way on through from it to make through cheaper for our people from something or Africa or whatever we wanted to very regulation. Then we would have to leave Northern Ireland behind as an economic Sydney colony of the e.u. . And we would be damaging the fabric of the Union with regular checks and even customs controls between Great Britain and Northern Ireland on top. Those extra rigged 2 checks. That are already envisaged in the withdrawal agreement. British Conservative government should try not to any such arrangement so. There we have it John and we won't be take any holidays on the arm from coast in the foreseeable future I wouldn't a thought No and I don't think he'll be back at the g.o.p. Conference which actually is due to take place next weekend but I think it is worth saying just you know a couple of months after Boris Johnson made that comment he did turn raw and vote for Terry's amaze boxtops in the withdrawal agreement to the do you pay have known for some time that they can't necessarily trust Boris Johnson and keep him to his word what is perhaps more surprising is the spade with which he has turned drawing today and has decided to press ahead despite their concerns and the problem for Boris Johnson is he knows that with all their 10 votes it is going to be incredibly Checky for him to get his deal through parliament because what do you pay thinks about this deal really matters you've got people like and Duncan Smith today saying look if the d.p. Has a problem with that well then there's presumably a good reason i'm not something we should listen to before deciding whether or not we're actually going to back this you've got the likes of kiddo in the Labor Party she's from Northern Ireland originally very close to the do you pay she would traditionally be a bags of tear and be happy enough to go along with what the government is proposing but she's turned on today and said anything that drives a coach and horses through the Good Friday Agreement isn't Ok with her for so their voice matters it's important their influence is still there because they really hold the balance of par on this deal. Jimmy humble says What a great moment for sharing fine they couldn't have dreamt what the day you Peter about to deliver incredible the do you pray you so bring point to bring is to protect the union of g.b. In northern on did not see this coming when supporting Bugsy they must be praying for a 2nd refrain them votes remain and gets them out of the hole they dug themselves in is there something in the. I thought Well it's interesting because what has emerged from the deal is this whole issue off consent and hard basically the roles on customs would work what the do you pay was hoping it would have with some kind of a veto that if we got to the stage where the Northern Ireland Assembly got to have a vote on it Davo would have to have a cross community elected basically a majority of unionist nationalists voting in favor of it so the do you pay could effectively say well we don't want to switch it off it won't work and should fail in has on any pay in the European Parliament they've been saying there is no way that you can have some kind of a system where unionists could effectively control these rules on customs arrangement so clearly what they've had to say in Brussels has been heard by the likes of some of the parties they're on has maybe been passed further up the chain and they're sticking with the Irish government on this as well that they feel that the job's done tonight they're happy they're blocking the u.k. And that they're saying look. It isn't good for anybody but if there has to be some form of brags that well then where Ok with us Ok take the rest then off you can have a busy week. I think. Thanks if interest listened Nigel Farage is reaction and he says predictably are suppose that. This isn't this isn't Briggs at all he's his view I'm just interested in what your view on this is frankly I think that we probably have done the easy bit the last 3 and a half years the next bit will be even harder and look it is a new e.u. Treaty it binds us in to so many other commitments on foreign policy military policy a list as long as your arm and look I frankly think it should be rejected I think the best way out of this would be simply to have a clean break so it's just one of the e.u. Treaty does the great man have a point. To an extent I mean insofar as northern oil is concerned that elements of truth to that I mean cynically it is hard to imagine any kind of deal Boris Johnson could have negotiated with the e.u. That nodule far as would have liked you know any withdrawal agreement had to include things like the BRICs a bill payments and would have had to include some sort of special status for Northern Ireland but the calculation here is interesting on the part of nodule far as because I think the BRICs it Party think they have got Boris Johnson at his weakest possible moment if this deal doesn't pass on Saturday because on the one hand he's negotiated a deal and he's had to make a few compromises for which they can attack him and at the same time it could be that we have an election while we're still in the European Union after the 31st of October and as far as the brakes of policy are concerned that is a perfectly sort of rolled pitch for the electoral campaign. So sorry I was just going to say I would and could any pm or any negotiate or any party get a break deal done like I could anybody agree if this doesn't pass what would pass we will remain with you know you know I know it's Baris Jones but if you see him as a negotiator which he is and that's what reason May was then but it doesn't matter they just a negotiator could anybody could it be a Brecht could the breaks about even get it done because there's still be disagreement that's why it was said the election was so important because the election deliver this parliament where there isn't a majority and without That's what Boris Johnson What's one so much because so this doesn't work out but he gets a general election wins a big majority and then. Presumably be much easier to pass a deal but with the parliament the way it is it is incredibly hard for any prime minister to pass any sort of deal of any party well at the moment yeah but there is no is going to Georgia and I suppose general election might be different Dr Simon Sheffield's But in touch says is there a limit to how fast a marathon can be run and also for some time lapse on these texts that some case kind of a more interesting question than begs a proper look yes really has just broken out as a sub Suau is yes well I know that much but can't can you get below an hour and what do you think come and go you get the only care about politics if I did not place my case I reckon I could do you know it was a day of about 45 face make us go is quite an operation but credit to him anyway we'll focus on politics for we must it is just coming up to half past 10 Let's get the news and sport there often will be after question Tom Unless the. Home digital b.b.c. Sound must be done on various cities b.b.c. Radio 5 Live Boris Johnson says he's very confident Polman will back the new brakes it Dail he struck with the e.u. . The member states approved the agreement which was finalised after intense negotiations in Brussels it comes ahead of a special common session on Saturday when M.P.'s will vote on the deal but Mr Johnson is already facing strong opposition including from the Democratic Unionist Party and labor Turkey has agreed to a ceasefire in northern Syria to that Kurdish led forces withdrawal from the area it follows negotiations for with the us all military operations will be halted for 5 days and American troops will help move Kurdish forces away from the Turkish border and the White House says next June 7 summits will be held at one of Donald Trump's goal for salts in Florida his chief of staff says the venue is cheaper than of the sites and the president will not profit from the decision sports headlines. His tombstone a little supporters group has called the new 8 pm kickoff time for the club's Boxing Day game away at Leicester in the Premier League disdainful the changes made because of Amazon's new t.v. Deal which means they will show all 10 games schedule for the 26th and 27th of December the spirit of Shankly group says it was a 0 consideration move on a once in the authorities to move Boxing Day games back to 3 pm the report said they will put on free coaches for fans traveling to Leicester and are asking for a 5 pound reservation if they will go to a local food bank there's been a number of kick of changes over the festive period to check the fixture list in regards to travel arrangements full details can be found on the b.b.c. 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The a c j maintain sovereignty over u.k. Law is this correct. No I think that's an awful simplification I think the European Court of Justice is going to have a say over what happens in Northern Ireland because Northern Ireland remains bound by a lot of e.u. Law the one area that I can think of where the c.j. Has some say over what happens here is under the terms negotiated by to reason may and this is part of the withdrawal treaty that hasn't changed the e.c.g. Has a say in adjudicating the rights of e.u. Citizens in the u.k. And that was simply because I think they didn't trust our courts to do if there was a change of government and we changed the law so they want the e.c.g. To patrol the I think it is for 8 or 9 years and then it lapses so this stuff was a huge fight a year and a half ago now people such as the example that yeah it's interesting also some someone says yes the day you pay of learnt what the north Scotland in the Liberal Democrats amongst others of learned don't trust a conservative Chia's says this person it's the changes at the very chairs at the end of that which which I mean does make it and can you see any way this ends up with almost all to right to remain situation we end up just remaining and going back to as we were could can you imagine that I mean yeah I mean what's what's both infuriating fascinating about British politics at the moment is there isn't an outcome you drew out of hand because anything seems possible it's messy I think if you assume there are the numbers for a straight vote in parliament one route to it would be the deal gets voted down we have a general election Jeremy Corbin comes to power probably at the head of a kind of progressive coalition involving the s.n.p. The Lib Dems and yet and that coalition decides to have a referendum on e.u. Membership or have to ask perhaps after renegotiation the beauty of that situation is I suspect the price that the s.n.p. Will demand for participating in that it will have not one but 2 referendums one on the one in Scotland within about a year of their election so you'd say it is imperiled Well I'd say we're in for Laura from them so. I mean I'm not sure what would happen in the Scottish referendum a lot would hinge actually what happened on the breaks that referendum because obviously the sorts of BRICs it we have and whether we have a Brics it will determine how easy it is for Scotland to get independence and how complicated that border between Scotland and England becomes. Ok. Go on here you actually John you know I felt a referendum was not really I was just a bit higher Oh my gosh when you said about Scotland was I mean we can't even make a decision right now but you know right now it's just like how long will that take and also something actually lights ask one of you is about you know people say let's just get it done let's get the brakes a deal done but then how many negotiations often and how much of a hangover would be the cost if with the deal was done but then how much of a higher would it be if it wasn't difficult it's not I mean that's not the end of it's no deal isn't a clean break end of it is it that only There's so many negotiations and years afterward trade negotiations and laws and how much ball there is that Joe you know kind of like. I think absolutely every outcome means years more talking about direction right because if by chance and process is still then they've got this kind of loose political declaration about what the future might look like but I'd be much more negotiations that we don't have all the details of the if there were no deal then that would mean eventually you would have Tom said well you know daylight citizens rights and that's that still think they're owed money if they're another referendum in the u.k. Were to vote to stay and you'd have lots of people who were very unhappy about that and would maybe want another referendum I think whatever happens we talk about process where it's just so much uncertainty I think that's what worries me no matter what you very good for you know 3 years ago what party or what may no breaks it is just the uncertainty that I think both is man a lot of people think I think we all get and sort of slightly used to it now what we're just going to be it's going to be the why things are there is of course a lot of anxiety I think I think I will again used to but there's a frustration and anxiety going among people that. Just get it done but the reason why you have quickly and cleanly get me down I think no deal isn't quickly get it done there's no you know. There's absolutely no short cut to certain I want to. When Boris Johnson uses the Tim Ziff Ok then we can concentrate on other things like the n.h.s. Like m. Series file and the Maimane and that's so it's education like what does that mean when he says that well I think the reason that there's no certainty the reason that this is going to drag on is because public opinion is so split and I think the one thing that could lead to this being sore settled is of public opinion with a shift in a big way so for example being being generous across Johnson if the deal passed and then lots of people who voted remained thought Ok I can live with that let's go with it. That maybe people could move on or if you know there's a referendum who had remained and lots of people voted leave for the effort and I mean I don't really see it with those things happening any time soon because very few people change their minds on bricks or but that's what you need almost more divided there is always there is one but in terms of getting the deal through there is one bit of hard hard drama is not going to happen but can you imagine if chin fine employees took their seat took their seats in parliament for the 1st time and came in and I was never out because it got to sway a lot into the crown of my but they could get the deal over the line or imagine if John Bercow got a casting vote yeah. Who threw that one in us you have you've got your dark side and I'm going to think about that and you know in your nightmares do you think so go ahead on just in the seventy's as the government was there hanging by a thread the needed one vote so there's this guy who's kind of dying in Yorkshire or something that pulled him down this ambulance and kind of dragged him through the the yeah on his sick bed so we might see it as kind of scenes we could see on Saturday because it's so close there's not been a vote as important as that you can even write Ok You know I seriously thought about not going to Middlesboro on Saturday but I've I've rejected it I'm going to Middlesborough anyway just so you know they're going to have to manage without me Mr Wright let's let's go off to Fiona Bruce because it's high time for question time I see what they got to say from Sam's tonight when Lester welcome to question time. On tonight's panel section of State for Health under trees in May and Boris Johnson Anneliese dogs form and he now Davis shadow treasury minister Philip Wood the consultant surgeon for many years and health spokes person at Westminster for the s. And p. Editor of the men's lost on magazine loaded in the northeast a former Labor Party supporter elected as an m.e.p. For the breaks that party last May want and don't need and chief executive of but known to use the oldest and biggest children's charity job in college. Welcome to all Planet old is here and of course you home join the conversation you can argue along in the usual way using hashtags need to see t.v. On Facebook on Instagram and on Twitter right let's start with our 1st question tonight which is from Angie triviality. Thank you should I be jumping for joy or crying in my to the new brakes. Even jumping for joy Well I think it's a very sobering wrap it I think is a very good deal and I'm very pleased that we've got a deal I think it's incredibly important that we deliver on the results of the referendum because we're a democracy and that's what democracies do I think the deal is a good one for the u.k. I think it's a good one for Northern Ireland and I think it's a new day if you don't share that view Well I think it's good for Northern Ireland because nor the Nonghet the best of both worlds. There's no hold on the island volatile be no tracks at or near the border and yet they are and remains and of course within the u.k. Within the u.k. Customs arrangements and I think it's a good deal and crucially crucially after 3 and a half 2 years almost after the referendum this deal should be backed by my colleagues Westminster on Saturday and then we can get this done and we can move forward and concentrate on all the other things that matter and deliver on the referendum and then move the country forward so when Boris Johnson said leave Northern Ireland behind as an economic semi colony of the damage Aceh because the United regulatory checks and even customs controls between Great Britain and Northern Ireland no British Conservative government could or should sign up to any such a range we said that last year how is that not what he's doing now with that body isn't in the directory. Thank you thank you. Know the. The Northern Ireland and Great Britain leave the European Union within the same customs arrangement and they will because and 6. Good game between Great Britain and Northern and this is it in order to be able to leave we're leaving the whole country leaving together with one within the u.k. Customs arrangement as opposed to leaving the whole country within the Customs Union but more important than that more important than that this deal allows us to move the country forward we've been riven by this BRICs it route for more than 3 years and this deal allows us to get bricks it Tom. Crawling all jumping for joy. Certainly not very happy I'm not crying because I want to try and get something done about this. Actually said particularly about the north and Irish arrangement just is not what's written in paper as part of deal actually it says for any goods in Northern Ireland there is going to be exports to its. Or that could become part of an export so where there might need to be extra checks it will be part of the e.u. Customs union support you would have just 2 different customs approaches occurring at the same time will make maybe you can explain why all those Northern Ireland businesses that are concerned about this have got it wrong and why your government are the only people who are saying that this will be simple to operate but I don't think anybody else is of course not even without talking about the fact that this deal just opens us up to years of wrangling because it says we don't have to keep in step with the e.u. On working rights or environmental protections or consumer standards so we could have years and years of argument with the e.u. After this and indeed with other countries particularly with the u.s. And to open ourselves to a trade deal with the u.s. Where we could see our working right slashed our environmental protections go go to the wall and I just don't think that's what people voted for when they voted to leave so I don't think this is the deal that should be celebrated let's say we're going to be so thank you thank you the man here in the in the blue sweater. I don't if I really want support of the do you do you just pay him off as a reason to 2 years ago. Just a way that someone approached me and talked about not you someone in the us is anybody else 2nd time listening to Boris Johnson's cabinet members constantly repeating the same unconvincing messages over and over again as if we're going to fall for it as if we actually believe that uncertainty it's all going to come right and you're going to suddenly start spending money on the n.h.s. And public services because you aren't a nobody believes you anymore and nobody will believe you ever again that is the thank you by getting this deal through parliament on Saturday that is exactly what we should be with you I know I understand how frustrating it is for people when that other strange going on your eate it seems you want to go on let's get it done and when you come to the n.h.s. And the money that we can spend on the n.h.s. Here in Leicester we are rebuilding the hospital and we're able to do that because the economy is strong and with this deal because I mean we'll stay strong and we can get a living that you know you're doing reality so you're trying grazing one of the other hospitals there may be one that you're improving but there's another one that I'm grading I want to change such as me not hands into Lester and we're able to back the n.h.s. In Leicester because with this deal the economy will be strong and we'll deliver on the result of the referendum within the cabinet will continue to be light over and over again I don't. Think it was pretty much. Here we are off to 3 and a half years and we're at the same place where we were a few years back there's been no progress you are utterly utterly out of tune with the rest of the public here you will not represent us what we voted you in for and it's a crying shame that we've got this haven't you right here right now you better negotiate on Saturday because it concerns all futures our children's futures and this is something that you ought to hide your heads in shame. If you get it wrong. I just wanted to ask you peeping to the hospital to see my stuff filthy Yeah absolutely I was that about a month ago in the hospital Oh yeah I was there at the hospital we've rebuilt the knee which is much better but the rest of it absolutely needs rebuilding with putting 450000000 pounds into less the hospitals because they are not good enough at the moment I can't believe the Labor Party's against it but we do it and I can't so I just think you've got to be on a step by the reality of what I'm going to a bridge that you said I'm going to get and stay with I know it's not right so we're going we're putting home might you really putting me in 14 you've also been told I didn't like minutes that was blown and now let's just say all this weekend if we thought they would think it's not easier just a money. Inefficient with no money it's not a case of throwing money at this hospital in Leicester and many of those around the country need to be turned around the we need more people working in them as well and we're going to do that and let's get on to debating things like the n.h.s. And to do that we can get bricks it done and then we can get on to the n.h.s. And all the other things that we need to talk about as a country. The Monday yes with the declaration they saw well and good say in the investors' money is a lesser order what about Glenfield or the General can you guarantee it is going to be a net benefit yes of beds in terms yes you know as a whole yes already less Royal Infirmary is. These 2 problems no With poll yes the rose color always sex a trophy Aus are going to cope with it yes yes we can do all of those things and we've guaranteed the money and it's coming in the next government. Think you have an x. Ray that they believe it is entirely up to you yet may just drag us back the original question which is about the bricks that plan. What was your head so to be absolutely honest with you on it like most of this audience and all the millions of people watching the program I don't know whether it's a jump for joy or a crisis situation and this is part of the problem that we found ourselves in the politicians with great respect you know are having a field day in debating all of these arguing disagreeing arguing disagreeing again and who knows what's going to happen on Saturday what we need to bring it back to is the Joes and the Abdul's and the wreckers and the Marys out there in this audience and across the western the rest of Ukraine who are suffering at the moment suffering one because they don't know what's to come so the uncertainty the lack of confidence in the future their fears for their children as a gentleman was saying and one of these are the children who are going to live with the consequences of this decision far far longer than than our lifetimes we've got to get it right now there is some hope I think it's good to see at least there's been some progress today I would personally I wasn't expecting anything today is not you know let's just give credit where it's due something has been put on the table and it's going to be debated I think the politicians are going to huge responsibility on Saturday to really test out the detail of what's been presented my test for is all my advice would be make sure that whatever deal if if this deal issue to belief you agree it that it is manageable in terms of the economic shock risk for this country because if there is a shock the one that we are expecting it I don't know deal would've been much worse I think it's going to affect all of our lives in ways that we can't predict in terms of education employment job prospects skills housing. You know even people losing faith in the government and in their own futures we cannot allow that to happen so deploy that test the absolutely sure you're going to sign us up to this because you have that power then make sure that we pass that test make sure that there's a medium and long term plan as well that you're not just getting yourself out of a sticky we could now because that's what politicians can do very easily there's got to be a longer term view because we're going to have to live with this for years to come . To the deal does anyone in the audience support the deal of course. Yes one person I know we got 2 people to 300 yes that's hitting the white and so I think we've had enough now but it's going on as we've mentioned for 3 and a half years and although we have reached an impasse arguably you can say that it's caused by some strong break it's breaks his you have a sports it's reason a 0 but it's also accountability on the other side of M.P.'s who have opposed the deal time after all and I think it's clear now more than ever that opposing M.P.'s will never support a deal brought by this government no matter how good it is how bad it is and if on Saturday we don't support this day oh will they take counsel a team responsibility if we leave with no deal. Thank you thank So really is good is good about is the deal is sort of like we've waited a long time for this is finally happened I think we're just going to take it Selfridge because the Spiro is going to end of the 6 months another 12 months in the 24 months to get another deal like a slightly better every time we have the time we voted to leave a sit when he's leaving otherwise No Doz the only other option I think you're thinking any deal will game you know any any deal at this point because this sort of we saw from the last till the you just got shut down 3 times if you're going to shut down 3 times more than 3 times more 3 times more is no point right just get on the ago. So I say who is jumping for joy about this to you Michele Bonior Emanuel they were beaming with the Lloyd today and on the way over here I heard a Belgian I mean the brake the steering committee called this they owe to reserve my use they owe without the backstop 3 people and less to support it and I think on Saturday it will be voted down and you will Corbett today said they won't vote for it no matter what we have even seen that they are you going to vote it down so that you can so you say Ok We're going to try and read it for like $5000000.00 Labor voters including myself about the labor all my life and to go into this were betrayed by your policy but you were is amazing I'd like to tell yourself sorry I'm confused and I'm going to let you have again maybe it wasn't a little business in what way was I not a threat to our position is this get Boris credit this is not the worst thing in history it's the 2nd worst deal in history. When you go through this day Oh and I've actually been through some Brussels that I will print you still with a political decoration they're all they're all key things which will not breaks it the so-called level playing field means we cannot do trade deals with the rest of the world or more favorable terms in the e.u. Already do that we're going to business deals with our hands tied behind our backs the fishing opportunities quite clearly stated here that we have shared stocks and quote to show that we would not get back control of our fishing waters. This is an absolute The trial of our coastal communities including in Scotland and the more you look into this military lawyer moments regulates realignments for aid alignment this is Brecht's it in why you mostly were once again betrayed the British people 3 and a whole years if we cannot move forward on the public have every right to feel furious about this in my opinion. I mean I think the slogan get it done and then we do other things is known since I mean this isn't even Thank you. This is actually the bloke sleeping in the spare room you know we haven't got anywhere near the divorce so this is the beginning of the beginning I did wonder how it is now that you would get I didn't know you so so in actual fact. It will be hanging over the u.k. For the next decade there is no question about that and I'm the sign here get bricks it done you know I mean if you had someone who you were trying to talk down from self harm would you just go yeah fed up now just get on with it no you wouldn't and the thing is there is nothing in this deal that would be remotely like what we have now and 2 words that are missing from it one is frictionless and the other one is Scotland Scotland doesn't get a mention anywhere and I'm sure you can talk about fishing opportunities will my constituency is a fishing constituency where we catch langoustine 85 percent of which goes to Europe and the Northern Ireland fishing boats are just off our coast they will be able to land through Northern Ireland and you know I'm from Northern Ireland I don't begrudge that but fishing on the west coast of Scotland will be absolutely how merged biters and as someone who spent 33 years in the n.h.s. Everyone's n.h.s. Will be hammered by this how many Europeans have ever looked after you as doctors or nurses these are the people who look after us these are the people who work in our universities doing research. We are losing so many health benefits by coming out of Europe including the wee plastic card if you're sensible you have it in your wallet you know we talk about all of void no deal because we'll have medicine shortages the end place is a Canada style free trade agreement that means we are a long way from Europe that means there is lots of friction and we lose a lot of options and frosts in Scotland our European citizens are critical both to our public services but also our rural communities and we can't afford to lose freedom of movement it's been a huge benefit every single one of us and many of our young pardon me many of our young people thank you very much. I'd just like to say something that I never thought. Which is I think Bush announces done a brilliant job with going over there everyone said everybody said oh you can't he would do this because yeah you know what I mean but he actually is proven everybody wrong and from our perspective it seems to me that. You know issues knocking things out of the park and people just can't stand it and that's really got you know people on myself a lot more interested again I'll add to this God wants to do it for the people want to do it and he's really pushing forward now and the point I'm going to make is that do you Pete and the e.u. Seem to be really lever in the island backstop thing for the whole of Bragg's these thousands of issues I'm sure to do with Briggs it because to do with the Good Friday agreement do you pay the Northern Ireland back start over this summer or what why does that one issue stop a big break on the whole thing and we have to negotiate Rama what doesn't you know it's going to sound crazy but Arlen being referred to his island the island of violent Why don't we try and just get that as. An island again and then we can carry on with. Just. Get on that no break up like you had no longer have as part of our oh yeah just you know I thinking island the whole of Oz and about the Scottish government put forward a compromise we were the for he was suggesting that no but we are so our compromise in Scotland's place in Europe in December 16 so nearly 3 years ago was to respect the 2 of the nations of the supposedly precious Union had fought to to remain so yes we'd be out of the e.u. But to allow both nations to stay in the single market impossible you know you think weeks that we'd have stayed part of the United Kingdom but we'd have been allowed to have a single market and Customs Union Northern Ireland and Scotland all vote we would have our own in the you know it's a kingdom Yeah a quite different United Kingdom where we were promised the only way that we remain in the was to vote no report of the kingdom yet and you've completely ignored us for 3 years we voted to remain were not mentioned in the deal we've been treated with contempt and yet our solution of both nations being a single market and Customs Union would have solved the Irish border issue overnight I think that this is actually this is a good deal I think many people said that we would never pull it off and the Boris Johnson would never police haven't we didn't think about it all then I think you have yet to come with another and then I. And then I did and then I said and then I support and then when I did when we when I pulled out of the leadership race I backed Boris because he had the biggest chance of anyone of getting a deal and that's exactly what he's done and I think the most extraordinary speck spectacle today of many spectacles today has been Nigel for the bricks at party announcing they want to delay bricks it boded for this is the bricks that well just break in itself so what actually happened well I read I read it on Twitter I always listen through Robyn Curnow for you truly great it looks like our what's actually out because of the Brits it policy of being. Distance I want to leave with a clean break break on October 31st that's now not going to be possible and I do I don't even think that they will teach you and you things will get voted through on Saturday Yes and this 2nd referendum and the s.n.p. Wants that referendum and the Liberal Democrats want that's what they're heading for they're using this as another delaying tactic to push for a 2nd referendum and what's even going to be on that ticket but we even have a proper leave on that ticket would be remain and a version of hang on there's a question like he's a leader but he's right let's.