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And Scottish independence leads to an amount of displeasure installed the heat has been cranks out between New Zealand and South Africa ahead of the Rugby World Cup which starts tomorrow. This is b.b.c. 5 Live from Times the news now 2 o'clock William Smedley a booking palace source says there's been an amount of displeasure about David Cameron's admission that he sought the help of the Queen during the Scottish independence referendum he asked officials if she could raise an eyebrow at the idea of the breaking up of the u.k. Here's Scotland's 1st Minister the s.n.p. Is Nicholas sturgeon I think revelations if I can call them that from David Cameron to see more about him than they do anybody else and really demonstrate I think that the panic that was in the heart of the u.k. Government in the run up to the independence referendum 5 years ago the government says it submitted what it calls technical documents to the e.u. On what it wants from a break that deal but it says These don't amount to written proposals that comes after Finland's prime minister said Boris Johnson had 12 days to set out his breaks it plans to Brussels our system political editor is Norman Smith What is the difference between a technical document on a written proposal sounds to me as of the British government is very tentatively slowly beginning to reveal the outline of its position without having to put everything on the table in one big fell swoop fearful of the proposals being rejected all Downing Street says that submission has nothing to do with the message from Finland's prime minister meanwhile the government lawyers have told the Supreme Court Johnson could consider suspending parliament again even if it rules that the current production is unlawful the suspension which began earlier this month is you to last 5 weeks the promises counsel says it depends on the reasons given by the judges when they reach their ruling a record number of people you. 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Room 5 minutes past 2 thank you so much for all of the really well thought out text that you sent in the 1st hour this one said a by the way we're just talking about free speech whether it really is under attack or not mine a real concern with left wing worse is right wing these days in discussions is that all too often each side will sum to a particular hive mind attitude they will only listen to those around them who agree with them and will attack with venom those who oppose this means you can have reasonable debate and it turns into a round of slagging each other off no where is this more evident than during pm queues or a rally for the extreme of either side I consider myself just right of center but my views on controlling immigration instantly countered with well who don't you want in the country rather than why David in Manchester said I think that now you have to think about everything you say in case you offend someone I'm 52 year old white man who is pretty liberal occasional might say something that could be considered racist or sexist to someone this is unintentional and no one seems offended I worry that I've said the wrong thing I want love thy neighbor off Gannett back on t.v. I believe that anyone should speak at universities long as it's legal why don't you keep but they are entitled to a public outing if it's lawful Hello Now I study dog behavior what amazing start to text and the animal kingdom is some much more simpler in their language we humans have made life very complicated and over intellectualize which ruins our society we should go back to basics is poorly meant cultures to make dogs what their backsides across people. Gardens you don't humans do and I mean there are loads of things I mean dogs clean themselves in ways we don't want to clean ourselves or let's not the let's not go there I'm quite happy being human and top of the food chain John inlaid said let's be realistic be p.c. Is now all too often uses a tool of oppression to prevent diversity of opinion frank open discussion of a suit issue so the p.c. Worries increase and exercise their own powers so in the mainstream media in is me monitoring and regulating them please discuss I think if you just replaced political correctness with good manners it probably closer to the heart of what political correctness actually me is you know it just means don't be rude to people and if you are rude unintentionally and someone says probably no except to bow then just move on from the evolved thinks itself Occam not going to say that in future and that's fine I mean human beings been evolving for millennia so why should we stop. Stop evolving in terms of speech This makes no sense Steve says in a democracy Firstly who decides what the red lines are when you get one democracy having a different red line to the other and how does that work good point well that does what people who go to Dubai for instance and carry on like they carry on in a high street in the in the u.k. And find out you can't go there we'll do some research I'm a bit exaggerated very overweight says Terry in Peterborough I'm fighting fit if I took offense to everyone who deliberately tried to upset offend me oh m g I cracked poor and simple pun at work nobody was being attacked criticized or slighted this person down in Dudley said I used to think that the Jewish lobby was the entrance hall in a synagogue response you can't say that when I asked them to explain why not they blasted when I challenge their bluster they got irritated and walked off I'm very happy to discuss why something I said might be offensive apparently the thought police are not they just want to tell other people they can't do things it works both ways look at the abuse Donald Trump and Boris Johnson get says Fran it's very strange that talking about which groups can be attacked which groups can't why is it that you can't you can not attack immigrant groups which is fine Could you then attack white middle class males with impunity. I guess it's about where you are right and whether one group is already a minority and under attack another group is more than capable of defending itself and of course having the power structures in order to maintain that marks is one of the problems with defining what's acceptable free speech is except in that people are scared and would like to discuss what might be happening to their lives and culture and that sometimes means disagreeing with the way that other people behave and not having that speech shut down because it has to be critical of those people as a cultural group with free speech comes great responsibility discuss Wally go Frances you may listen or in some ways both and yes there is such a place it's on God's own space x. More thank you 2 days in a row of read a text from you happy days oh. Ok who was lively Liam Charles in the building only him how are you a man who nearly conquered the breaker for nearly You were clubs was close. Actually I want to God's not you but you know what I mean 2 years ago Yeah 17 and you're 19 years old I mean how do you deal with that amount of pressure. On this Lee It's just been right people around me because if you're in such an environment like the 10 you can have a go left or right you know and like because obviously not a lot of people knew about my experience apart from what my mom my uncle my dad's So everything that happens update update live or to find here that if I just keep on going so just about keep it like a level head is that you took control self I know is that other people. Are going to go is it serious as half and half because obviously you can have. You can get you know help from like your mom dad or close ones but most importantly it was myself telling me I'm doing great I'm here for a reason just crack on you know it was the 1st series of bake off after it moved from the b.b.c. To and of course there's so many eyes on it. That was did you feel that as well did you not 100 percent because you know the whole thing moved at being from the 1st series on Channel 4 there was I feel I was a lot more eyes on it but I kind of forgot about that because regardless I want to be in on it I'm saying so I focus about myself focus on myself for yeah. And I mean you you went 8 weeks. Is no doubt I mean to get through stages. I mean you were a lot younger most of the people there. Did people underestimate you. I'll probably say don't necessary underestimate me barges feel like maybe I was just a little bit naive when I 1st saw it you know. Oh it's fine just break into his hand and come back and live a but the amount of emotions you go through just baking one k. Cannot tell is insane so I def he did a lot of growing up in those 8 weeks. Or so terrifying I know in a lot looked absolutely terrifying it's so creative is artistry pretty much what you do look this is not a normal thing for a teenager to be doing let's be real your friends one guy and Haley and what we do and yeah let's go bacon Yeah that's Kobe and you know there's a lot of teenagers doing a different type of bacon right and getting the bikes but not doing what you were doing yeah I mean it's like it's almost like an athlete when you when you interview them and they would tell you when the rest of my pals were out doing this I was doing that was that you. Know it's really funny because I went to a star international school. In the middle and they are very like. They're very creative school solves a round chute the the idea of you know different open to different categories different activities so when I went to my mates all year I want to take over the weekend obviously initially it was like you bake Well yeah like cakes or not but when I was bringing it in on Monday for them to try it's a completely different story John say. With my with anything like the 1st you know time you introduce all of something new to criticize people. Will start but then when they see like you're doing pretty well that sort of changed a fuse and opinions how did you know you were good at it I mean people who made some things that looked terrible previously were eating right and baking I have to sound terrified Oh yeah there's something about pastry that I just think I'm not going to be able to do that I knew when or because my mom or my not an Aussie understood me like even if like. Ok even if it was all for their would tell me in a constructive way what you know and then I remember I made my 1st wedding cake when I was like 18 and it took me like ages to like frost and stuff and then phosphor than of a year I did another one in Cape May took me about half the time precious to 2 waiting cake oh yeah right so because you commission this is their big day but you can't mess this up because you can't yeah I was a lot of pressure but it was the wedding cake. Because you know in this current day and age everyone likes the rustic sort of vibe so to tears carrot cake up on cinnamon top. Cream at that time Royale just such a low as a yeshiva years how do you take a hard it is hard it's a bit like many 4 hours to do but I can see probably a take 8 now after an order sponsors are based on like 2 hours if. It was just such issues of course that's true now you know your latest book The 2nd book 2nd Helpings and. The amount of. Cardiologists that would be getting work from this book I mean this book is not a book for dieters. I'm going to be honest like this is power food is power free Also there are a few recipes there that are like remotely healthy because you got like juices remotely has been the word Yeah Dartrey healthy you've got like the salads and stuff and now was the main thing about this but because the 1st one was sliced really like cakes biscuits and light loads of indulgent stuff but I want to show people that I can to both sides of the spectrum. I can honestly say I'll never do like fully healthy book because they are for life for me there's a balance in life you know you don't have to go super healthy you don't have to be super light on healthy Ok let's talk about the thing on the cover them oh yeah Ok explain a list talk us through this is yeah talk us through the cover of your book 2nd Helpings Ok So 2nd Helpings his knee the cover is at me honey like a massive life fish and chips on the right and honestly we went through like you know different things we can point to cover for the chicken cats who don't know if we try to salad chicken catsuit her or not yes I was crazy. That's what I was intimidated to make that I thought I didn't have the time for that last night I'll tell you what I made for my kids and my wife the other in a moment we're going carry on cover Yes So I came to the cover now and we try like different soft tried cheeses tried every fit but I just for we just for. We needed something like drastic Roy and you can see different elements you can see how Elvis wouldn't be in this but you know or one thing I'll probably say though you know my recipe say right to eat the whole thing by ourself. Right so if it is completely up to you yesterday if you want to say serve 6 right yes right for is actually so you have to bear in mind portion control as you know very important but also just find a passage to healthy and I'm just like you know treat yourself sometimes by for like for the sake of the book you have to put some indulgent on it I mean it's not a fish and chips sandwich. With mushy peas whole big bread just crazy. Ok so I made the cheeseburger cause when I last night because I don't eat red me I replaced the beef mints with Turkey Mint nice but kept the mustard and the tomato puree in there and because I had a moment with you just before we came in where I said precut smoked paprika in mashed potatoes and that is a thing officially in my life it's very easy and I'm never going to be able to eat mashed potatoes again without smoked paprika and yeah I mean like that's one of the recipes that is for I love a good mash up you know like as sweet potato and King Edwards is actually my love you know pin flavors of one thing into another so when I came about the idea was Ok How can I capture the cheeseburger element in the minutes so I did you know the mustard the small period and the kittens gherkins really make a Burger King and I can put a Go can sing this you know no because my wife is. You know I know you I know you're straight to him but I couldn't do that if he was just like you can't like people a lot people sleep. But like kids I swear they make a bug when you have how many people go into a certain well known burger place and they'll take the top off and they'll take the but I've known so many people they take the Gherkins off and then put the I advise those people to put the Gherkin bucket. I try it I. Really need to try a while that it is this this I have to say went down so well did it in my house because this is everyone Walther up son had 3 helpings everyone was very happy with her and it didn't take that long to make actually. Happy that you said right because the 1st book those lows are cakes and stuff and baking for of it does take you know you've got a devoted time to it whereas with this book there is a mixture there are some take like you know a couple hours but if somebody can whip up in like 10 minutes. If you're a massive fan of Liam you remember him just 2 years ago a 19 year old in Great British Bake Off And there's anything that you would like to ask him the 85058 is the text number this 2nd book The 2nd Helpings has got so many indulgent Let's talk about how you come up with the idea she can cats who don't not a case where does this come from hey so there's a period by the way someone in Tokyo cried when they saw that I'm sure I. I'm so sorry for that but I feel like sometimes especially food is a great way to like combine different ideas and make some blame there. How did I come about I was a massive fan of a particular restaurant not the like you know the chicken cat suit and then this whole wave of the burgers came around as well for how courageous Mitt is more you know like indulgent and tasty the same time for safe return Ok I commiserate with spices and not put. The fear of spices in the you got us a really vibrant yellow color and you put a nice chick you fit in middle somehow it's merely a Japanese house manners. I'm sorry my came out. So much but. Do you come across people who How often do you hear people say I'm intimidated by the idea. By. Honestly quite a few quite a few but remember I would like of anything you have to start from somewhere I'm on asking you to make like a 4 take 8 the 1st time e Bay start with something simple a loaf of bread cupcakes even a few biscuits and just slowly just work your way up to like a certain level that's all you have to literally have to do I mean you went to theatre school you haven't coarseness Yes I drama and study drama I mean that's kind of worked well in the presenting t.v. Show yeah and do you feel as though when you were on Bake Off that it had to be more than just the break is that it was a performance you know I said this the other day to someone when the cameras are in my face I just sort of said to myself they're not recording me they're just like it's weird machine and just don't pay attention to me a lot of people awesome on my family like is he really like that my mom can shuffle Queen and country I am always like drum saying so it wasn't about performing which is about the baking I remember the people that are selected to go into play cause they're there because they love baking everything else is just a bonus John saying yeah yeah but you stood out didn't you because you were the youngest right and also you're a big personality and. There is a row without a doubt you did stand out and obviously China for that Wow Ok this is something going on with this guy I guess so but also I was for like when I 1st entered and I said so myself. I just have to be myself and if people love me for the sick if they don't then is why is buckle look back at the process and what chip unfair Yeah I did myself project did you get trolled. Yeah I mean you know or you can be the most loved years person ever but there's always going to a few trolls a just cause later I'm you know. You went back at them to do you know it's funny. A cough no I didn't because remember it's recorded anywhere before and right right and also you can have like 50 positive messages and all it takes flight one message is to commit you for your head so I listen to a reply I always such a quiet voice she rubbished. But obviously I'm not in it because I got a so there's that and then professional says well. You know obviously people who are you don't so unprofessional show really stepping out you come now you own a staff and you go a few people I said ice times are like I don't even know why he's doing this and stuff but I guarantee they're all called whatever they live on if there are stairs and that each like because fish fingers I have one cut so you just have to look into perspective there's a lot of people in this world when you reach a certain level or you see or they do see some sort progression they don't want not and quite frankly just having an aura and just continue what you do yeah that's carrying regardless right exactly not paying the bills. Knew that it would be gherkins of all things that people texting in. Kids in Burgos work because the acidity activates tastebuds says Andrew Andrew London. North London. Steve him said when I have to go to you know well known burger chain my order extra gherkins or my burger it makes the guilt go away this is what I say I told you guys go kids make. You could you would never ever be able to persuade my what this says no I haven't it that's what you if you could have seen loyal listener to 5 life limbs face when I said on out and put it in the cheese for he was not happy if I must not put Plato on but if you did our just about how much experimentation goes into the. You instinctively know now that 21 what the tastes and how they can emerge or is there still a lot of what doesn't work is there a lot of kind of having to things that you don't like very much there is a load of trial and error I can't sit here and say to everyone I've tried in the good old days yeah impossible it took me so long to have donuts but inside but then sometimes there is like Ok I know this works and notice works so if this works you can put up with and he should be quite up you know so it's a balance between the see Ryan Ok or what is the been the most difficult. Part of baking for you personally to overcome that took the longest time that meant that you know the most trust ration to fings Ok Joe Knotts and she pastry law or shoot pastry it was like my kryptonite for ages I couldn't do it I don't know why I thought what Professor O's written literally Yeah but you know is I already my own body weight and shoe Varese. Yeah oh my cautious Federals of the war I deserve because I. Knew when I 1st thought it's a made. A lot people can make profit rose but there's a difference between a good profit roll and a maze and Professor I like saying Yeah so I was looking for an amazing prefer and it just took me so long to get the right Christe them out more shit taken out of the shoe pastry but recently I was lying my bed can even as I show up on this machine you above my bed I just made a. Little see but this is the difference between you and someone else right the fact that you would be lying in bed at 9 pm and start thinking do you dream about cakes chick. I daydream about cakes a lot I'd feel like 60 percent of my break a posse is big goods or food in general I know I swear like even like I'll be having breakfast on a Monday. Bobbie think about what I want for dinner on the 1st day it's food pretty much runs my life a lot so in that respect though do you like to be impetuous do you like to say right I'm going to try this or do you have to have your meals planned out so you have to know in advance because making some of the things that you make it's difficult not necessarily in this book because I made one very easily no time at all and and the measurements were right that's one thing to me than anything else 750 grams of sweet potato 750 grams of King Edwards I was on it all these artists. Because obviously I do make lucky you know indulgent stuff yes you. Have to have a balance between like what I do actually healthy when I exercise or when I just want say all I'll just wing it so that you know like Monday Tuesday Wednesday I try to eat as healthy as possible 1st day is like eat healthy but if you see everyone is you know I've been a fishing sandwich I'm a firm I was as a society if I run I would get to be a Sunday Post raving vibe is known as comfort food on a Sunday getting out of bed at midday making night and making that it could be a vibe and then Fridays Saturdays like just enjoy yourself but obviously enjoy yourself in moderation you are saying and then Sundays like normally like and Sunday dinner. Tonight is not get in and stuff so yeah every thinking about us and everything in moderation that's what we have to scream what's your cultural background so I'm half for making half solution oh wow Caribbean 2 beautiful parts of the Caribbean I don't know how much of that has. Filter down from growing up especially with your grandmother's food how much of that has we had a meal Heskey the football of course oh no you know play fellow poster you won't be a fan of course being a man you know it's funny. But he was talking about the Sunday lunch the Russian. And the chicken house what has there been any kind of cultural crossover for you oh yeah 100 percent especially when it comes to my savory bakes in the 1st but cheeky trees I actually. Did my nun's Curry go into a pot and is a very simple concept of doing. However he hasn't From what I know senior and Iraq's self Ok if I just add my bacon element my bacon sides me but then obviously shot tonight I spoke with a recipe as well. If I add that side as well is slice of a new day but this does Nan approve of innovation I guess story for you. So. 2 days ago I was at my nan's and she went for the new book 2nd Helpings and one of the recipes was prune Curry and waffles and as I saw that yeah so it's you know roughly her recipe right but I sort of put in like normal potatoes I added sweet potato sweet potatoes and she's going for the recipe. That's not right none is right because it's my interpretation. So yes 09 is like you asked permission Yeah yeah you say look I want to take your dish and I want to remake resent I mean I you have to as much as I love like remix and stuff and you have to have a balance between actually having respect for the food so I every every dish I come up with that has inspiration from my 9 I do Jeffrey right by her I have asked for such a wealth of information you haven't even probably touched the surface of the knowledge that your nan has about food right my nose even measure anything. That's a classic my mum doesn't measure anything so there I am with the way in the darkness where I need a 500000000 is of stock and. It's just crazy because especially for my nan's fried dumplings Rye because that's essentially baking Yeah but like every time and I makes just away anything on my how much is a how much is she just doesn't know it's a little bit of this bitter sugar and that's what that's where is why it's just crazy only gets light level from what I can deal with the cake that's one of the not going to work well for cookbooks though. Just a dash of this. Bloated that. Is with us is going to be with us for a little while we'll hang out with this a little bit more please. Ok Charles is here 2nd cookbook it's called 2nd Helpings who of course no 2 years ago he made week 8 of the bake off age chest 19 any questions for Lim get them in his 31 minutes past 2 coming up we've got Francis from the Pixies We've also got Gary Lineker on the show Stay with us here on 5 Live Richard Foster is here with the news from digital b.b.c. Sounds smart speaking this is b.b.c. Radio 5 Live in Buckingham Palace has this been an amount of displeasure after David Cameron admitted asking the Queen to help him join the Scottish independence referendum here after she could raise her eyebrows at a time when an opinion poll put the Yes campaign ahead the government says it sent technical documents to the e.u. Reflecting what it wants from an e.u. Briggs's deal it says they aren't written proposals and are not in response to the Finnish prime minister giving Boris Johnson an end of the month deadline to make a breakthrough. More people than ever using class a drugs the crime survey of England and Wales shows 1300000 people took them last year with increasing cocaine and ecstasy amongst young people and the U.K.'s can head of counterterrorism says far right extremism is the country's fastest growing terror threat Neil Bassett says 70 of the 22. Even rather of the 22 plots foiled since March 2017 were linked to far right ideologies That's the news Katie Shanahan has to support the Rugby World Cup starts tomorrow in Japan and it's already heating up with South Africa's coach us who saying the world champions New Zealand get treated differently by officials because of their reputation Well the New Zealand head coach Steve Hansen has since accused of trying to influence the referee ahead of their World Cup opener on Saturday Meanwhile England sends a Henry Slade says his bones with midfield paan amounted to a line he can help the side be successful in Japan Slade also believes people are starting to see what he can do for his country I feel this last 6 Nations gone by was a big step in the right direction for me I was very for sure before. Maybe not played as was a hard luck to fall could have turned into I think you know the last 6 Nations are off it was a supposed to force me to forget a chance and keep proving what hunger on Sunday in every game from the tournament's will be on 5 Live or 5 live sports extra tall and also mercy approach Tino says they need to improve in all aspects after they threw away a 2 goal lead to draw 2 to an n.p.r. Last night Postino says it must be about your mentality and your will nor city's highly rated sporting director Stuart Webber has agreed a 3 year contract extension with the club Webber was responsible for bringing in manager John Rafalca rather compete so is to leave Williams at the end of the season he returned to Formula One this year after an 8 year absence following life changing injuries sustained in a Ronnie crash back in February 27th while as cross live to Wentworth as it's been a good day for Matt Wallace of the p.g.a. Championship golf correspondent encounter is that yes well as celebrates a pace setting start the Wentworth crowds are still coming to terms with the disintegration of Rory McILROY opening round he looked in fine form 3 Under off to 6 but fell apart around the turn. Losing balls then on the 17th and the 18th coming home in 42 for a 4 over par 76 tied 110 to 11 shots behind Wallace who was round in 65 to lead by one and provide the perfect starts what will be a lengthy Ryder Cup qualifying campaign before last year I think I answered the question I said I was like yeah I'm up for it and I had to win 2 more times and I still didn't get in so I was going to be a long way before next year for the picks are chosen and the automatic says well so I've got to take care of business and myself and play hard and play well and hopefully I won't need to pick this time as Mike Wallace is closest rival on the leaderboard right now Henrik Stenson who was round in a 6 under par 66. 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Sound and discover the best of 5 like podcasts including you me the big sea bass called cystic Paris and the only cd and this training for you to come on issues your story is phenomenal no brakes this is politically very provocative thing to do people love how badly I love headlines in that context should we really be surprised download the free b.b.c. Sounds out the music radio and podcasts thing you can say this is b.b.c. 5 Live Oh. Yes indeed and sitting to my right hand side is a Liam Charles Baker extraordinary nicknames do you have. Half ones that can be repeated on the radio Ok cool. That's most of the government. Kate boy my mom called me Judge to know I. Live here legally listen legally live Ok but why because obviously my name is live so like literally who calls you that. Family friends family family when I was younger as well Ok and cake boy has become something since he became famous oh yeah go. Because obviously this is other guy of course in him but he's like Ok he's being called Kate were for ages as I call him a child and remove myself from not just record live make sense you know. What are the things that people come up and ask human history most commonly. What was bake off like number one is poor word nice. That's number 2. And why people with substance to think with whether he's nice or not I don't know because obviously on the show before he judges your bakes is very new sure isn't me so you just you just don't know and that's what you should do as a judge for sure. I know Paul is great is really what he's resupport as well and the 3rd one is he still vague because everyone has his preconception that as soon as he you know make it to some way in the baking industry you don't bake anymore. I still bake as much as like on policy now because the there's the t.v. As well as day in Berks and there's so much more going on there's obviously I bake still the same amount but just in like bulk sort of spread out evenly for the saying Ok so when I'm less busy do you do weddings some things are to do wedding cakes much well no no I have the time but if by God's will. A commission is coming for wedding cake and I'm free apply Yeah up to I don't want to give you every day I just realized what was it like or were sick so it was like is my mate knightly Shah who in graduation writes the chocolate cake is chocolate but cream children are going to strip so if. We have some high us in knots and. It was Ray's you live again Nashville as well. It was so I have any but you know we like you taste as you go along so you know you have to level the cakes to stock right I had like a few cake scraps just so you know quality control and it was a solid 8.5 I turned my apologies to my mom who has type 2 diabetes is a mom sorry you had to hear that I should explain. That she's that sounds I was byan so. But that question of whether you still bike or not is a valid one in the sense that you are so busy doing the things. That you're famous for but not being allowed to do them as much as you did before which is kind of ironic it's a weird one because I actually do them but when I don't when people ask me are do you still bake they probably mean jeez to bake. Right so I still bake I'm still I'm always in the kitchen because that's how you know my t.v. Shows and that's how the book has been developed for side these recipes but in terms of like I'm just going to wake up and make rare is you know it's more rare but I still have time to do. What do you get from it what do you love most about you know a slip but what's nice is like to have a baby even I have one so and having these really painful being there at the birth bar for my kids I don't tell you yeah. Seriously. Really don't like that it's like you know like if you go through the pain. Is like this very much like creating so yeah yeah it's like you see the growth of it you know because yeah from my flour sugar eggs butter and then you see like the mix and it's like it's really nice me if I'm in a repaste goes and see oven a completely changes form into it's like a solid and need you do like you know creams of it so you really see it's actually own child you know you see the growth but how how do you get home of the psychological disappointment when you 1st start baking and in your head it's going to look like something and then it comes out and it doesn't it looks terrible you think you're making this beautiful design to your of a cake ends up looking like the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean is a mixture because I remember when I 1st started to mit meringues I was absolutely awful however like if anything you just have to remember. You're just not going to be perfect the 1st time around and if you g. Is 100 percent luck if he'd give you get some respond the 1st time out it's a 100 percent up and you should do it again just to make sure they snore you know. By the chances so. Yeah. Just pack to smile just practice but good I plan on doing that limb thank you so much Lou Coming in it's been such a pleasure to have you here on the show and 2nd helpings the name of the book and I can see by kings or not I can swear by that courage by them Thank you pleasure pleasure. Walks out and Charles. Thank you very much. I'm away from the mike I do understand that but I'm doing it for you know good reasons because Gary Lineker is just what Gary can ask you to sit on the green Mike force please certainly how are you very well thank you good to see you whoa yes a book I said above can everything to add to all the accolades you've earned in your life. First I want to start with something quite awkward and get this out of the way 1st I think we move on to other things. Puberty at 17 Yes I mean do share it just know. That Joan Tower me and I thought wow this is a moment of you may you know jump out. And go you know throughout the year. You know it's really waiting so I'm here making some on the try and I'm making now is something else. He said Yeah interesting but I thought what he's done was he's done the 1st thing I've gotten to know people to 17 and it's like imagine my You Tube yeah I know it's true I've just developed play and of course you're in the dressing room exactly where there's a lot of nudity let's be honest I mean it was interesting when he saw Liam the bookies know all about the subject only 7 Chata says. You know it's true I was like you know I used to hide in the shower in the corner because obviously you know it's very embarrassing. So yeah on legs it was a you had a really you don't shave you know apart from the pathetic guys you think I've got mine like these but said like babies bum. So yeah I did something wrong in me somewhere it's a very funny book and also as well of course I'm surprised you don't mention the golden Bootle I think it might be nice. Just to fit you make a Jones out of the one I wanted 96 I think it's a World Cup What is that kind of tree again I think is mixing Mexico Well I'd like to mention you don't let's can we change the subject from the golden but I want to . Know we're only 4 minutes in I've already brought up 2 very awkward things that you don't like talking about but well done on that go to go on both. That's what gets the quote you yeah yeah a slightly stronger version of this time of the day yeah so it was really nice actually how you spoke about cancer in the book that Shakespeare today actually calling me golden but but yeah. But it was really nice to have I thought it was a lovely insight into how he used to stay off the training and if he saw some kids playing football that was a real he was into the kind of guy well you know it's exactly how he was you know he was a. He was one of them you know he was he was a child in in an adult body in many ways with remarkable talent and it was great funny by now ages with I'm not Magnum the know my you know know my you know and yeah. This incredible enthusiasm they had for football he was and he was he was hilarious I mean need some tolerate obviously there was a there's a line and he frequently went past it you know sorts of ways and all sorts of things but boy he was funny nobody's my life and my life I don't think like him but you wouldn't share a bath after a game with him I'm not necessarily in those days we used to we had the big the big plunges but the least said about this in the book that in fact is that line in the book and I know you. Also as well I find it very funny this is of course a conversation about you said I want to make it about Gaza but how mischief the sea was so there's a band right the angling game so I think I'm going to you know mess I'm I used to yeah and he would kick the ball and try on the guy's Chub are awful or yeah not the hats off and also thought that he was just joke after joke even playing in much as you know of a play in the World Cup much of plan a welcome news for a running round he's tugging road police dreadlocks. Driving very mad it just. Barely laughs a wonderful talent as well how do you think you managed Gary in all of your career never to get a yellow card if I thought size him up for later life on social media. Ok. Ok like I got really got a temper that you know I take. I don't really get I write so I haven't got that red mist thing. And never tackled anyone in my life so I was going to go and missed time on whatever I did you know of course when I played you didn't get but with the frequency the players get but now I mean if I played now obviously you'd be impossible not not to get a yellow card but yeah but it was quite remarkable did 3 years in Spain which was without game which was actually kind of been incredible because it's a bit like it is head the modern game now that they book people for fun. That cultural difference between playing him playing spy was quite interesting for you wasn't you know to get in a corner no go corner for everyone saw that yeah the boss and I think those things things they change different things over there you know I care if if there's a thumping tackle or somebody like kicks into rows ad from clear as a bit dangerous if you kick the ball deliberately out of play when I played at Barcelona you get booed by your own fans that's unacceptable they want you dead soon as you try trick and just get yourself out of trouble and otherwise if you get they'll pummel as Blanco's they'll watch the chiefs of and say we lost yeah different things but Chad you know you get the big buzz when there's a corner in England when you're this kind of phlegmatic over that totally different Yeah it's a lot goes Yes And you know and especially when you score a hat trick against Real Madrid they like that as did I say it was one of most memorable days mind so i career. You know that 1st time applied in the classic playing at home and then I scored 2 goals in the 1st 5 minutes and there are no white funds in spite there's a few Now in those days were like 0 so it was weird if you scored away from I was like deathly silence but when you go to Harvard Law School 2 in the 1st 5 minutes in the class 120000 people the noise. Literally goes bumps all of my body and it was incredible when I got the trick just after half time there were 3 nil then they score turners like 15 minutes 20 minutes to go nothing on da da da da in this place but we managed to hang on that was one of the best days because of course you landed in Barcelona and you're taking to the president a hotel and you know huge swathe Jacuzzis was it was thought you know saw as the studio which is about 5 by 10 how many suitcases about 14 I think newly married so you went out that Spezza. You know it's a kind of big star treatment you would expect which they clearly would get now big penthouse way to top of the hotel nothing and revolves it $53.00 was it must have been a 5 on 4 Sort of yeah and it was yeah it was just a bog standard small hotel room with no room for the cases we had stronger another room which we had to pay for by the way to get to just a cases and. Then we went down the corridor and Mark Hughes was next door but while he was he said this I say thank you says Well 4 states and we were in there for 4 months until I found somewhere to rent and you said you say in the book that the 3 date the suitcase is all around it's like a wall around your bed as I think you know you won't believe it and I will melt I was a river a very young race still and he's making a documentary of no use making a turn of radio thing or something and he came to interview me and he came in the room and he couldn't call police say. It was thing it's I said I know it's not quite what I expected but I think I imagine they don't didn't treat my more messy and swore as the same old blackly when I joined the club probably know you also mention the book making documentaries yourself and some great stories about marriage Donna you decided to make it and I know as of capacity here yeah and he's told me some stories about that I mean yeah you want to subject 100 grateful Yeah exactly you had an interesting meeting with Maradona didn't you I mean but someone very important fix that for you well try to fix it but we can call it serious Yeah I was. It was the 2nd time I did my own I 3 days in is Bring it was madness brilliant but the 1st time I tried to get married on I didn't sit like in a 9 to midnight probably about late 9697 something like I did a documentary series about the people who will in the golden boat I don't know if I've ever met you know anywhere in the Golden Pond I did that we should probably raise the dead. So we thought we were. I know a lot of the wow did various interviews and I wanted to talk to Diego Maradona because a play he didn't he hadn't won a gold but obviously applied to get and he was that game in the hand of God in all this and I wanted to try and get a minute a movie having a lot of trouble and were told yeah you do it but then he couldn't and then he was there and then he was and then we actually not only front door with an appointment and we were told No he's not in no is gone somewhere and anyway I said we let me try to follow him somewhere else and it didn't work out as it was ridiculous and then I played this game of golf it was organized against President Menem there Argentinean President Hu reason we we organized the interview with him because when . Won the World Cup for the in 78 when he was actually. Right yes on after the exactly so I want to talk to you about those experiences sort of watch the game on the t.v. And stuff like that because Campese was the golden but we know that yeah and he said Well it's a game of golf some play a game of golf and we get around we get to this we played the 17th on the 17th green and hollowed and it was all square going down the last Now I was playing with the president's best friend and the president was playing with the golf pro from the club that he always plays of course and it was all square going on the last and we're just about to take off I'm up on it comes over to me said. We don't win this whole the president doesn't lose so and. Oh boy is this a Bond movie. Yeah oh right Ok anyway I saw scout not step put the ball on it saying I get my club ready to give it a couple of bags and there's a big like on the left on sort of thought I just I'm just smack in the lake no problem and so and then something to me just before I thought. That can do that I'm going to take down the phone and I've got a hit on actually which you can use I shined on the foul and hit it down a fair way and only I would have hooked it in the water and then. The president's My Don't tell me decide on what he did I suppose OS I try to turn the water but I slice them and then I'm not on the grainy give me another look and the end we will have the how because that Pro got 4 and I got 4 and the president came up to me at the end of the game and said thank you for trying and the other thing is half way around the course I was talking about you said who else you could do I said you're going to do Maradona said Well I've been trying I just can't get out of it he went well I'll call him for you so the president asks thing to call and yeah yeah the blah blah blah blah blah blah he said he said he'll do it for us fantastic so I get back to the hotel room light of that night it's about 11 o'clock in the morning and like the hotel phone rings or 2 o'clock in the morning something or photo phone rings and he has Hello it's President I mess it up he says Yeah. Really he said yeah yeah go do it there's a club in when is are is if you can get to know and I thought that's going to be lively I'm going to get I'm going to get my crew I can throw people in the boat you know it's always bizarre life they lead What a bizarre life you are someone who doesn't shy away from controversy you have really in the or now diverse as Michael. Tried out let's be real. Objects. Views Exactly exactly and you wade into the room. Out of us is messy thing and you say well actually it's not a thing at all it's messy it's limited what you mean by thing I died I absolutely massively admire them both I think they're both wonderful time of spurred each other on over the last decade or more. But if you asked last time you're asking me which player thinks the better football obviously I would say Messi because because he's. You can compare them as goalscorers you need that there's certainly you could argue for not as a more prolific goes go than the Vesey but the figures are about the same Fair enough but you can argue the fact that Messi is significantly the better dribbler And significantly the better passer he has much more assess these that need but I admired them both and I think we can be allowed to mother said It's my opinion that Messi is a backpack so I judge players by how I when I watch a game for but if I watch the match Messi joyous just the things he does with his like he does 4 or 5 things in every match the beyond belief but I have my the buzz but what happens if you say something positive about Messi Goldman out of fans all you have said it's about Ronaldo and then you say something positive about renowned and you know the Messi fans going to tell you it's just the times we live it it's tribe indeed but at the end of that chat tongue in cheek he said go ahead and slaughter me on Twitter this week in a very serious context you've actually said to people don't do that anymore or certainly don't react to it well it was childish what's changed things and you attitude towards trolling Well it just doesn't change drudgery of the years I used to engage a little bit with the trolls and you know in the light hearted way I was I've always tried to respond to any abuse in a lot healthier way perhaps to try and model humiliate them more with a joke or something like that but I think over time the Dutch kind. It leaned towards let's say more of a blocking approach and I was approached about this kind of don't feed the troll Yeah because a lot think a lot of people get affected by it and and I always think it's a lot easier if you just get rid of that from your life. Which I've not and I blocked tens of thousands of. People on on Twitter not all of them are just abusive to me some of them are just like cheap to get Madea written they go on years and up and you know I never looked at an emotional educations Anyway I sometimes see some of the below you tweet you do notice them and blow take hold and stuff and I also block a lot of people that not have never Atika me but actually I'd want to read their stuff in my timeline do if I don't necessarily agree with it or it's nasty or I think they're not nice people whatever have you ever a tool thought twice about entering the political space in what you put online if you ever thought maybe I should have just never done of course I wish I'd never got involved you know why. And sometimes I don't know that I think. I do an adult I understand your question and there are times where I've thought to myself I'll be honest well you know I have a bother. And but I did bother because I felt strongly about something and I had a platform that didn't really exist pre-social media. And I give my views nice people want to disagree with them then that's fine I have no problem with that and I now disagree with them I'm very serious I've got I've got my brakes it is but it doesn't affect our relationship but it's become so tribal and politics has become so tribal I mean it's always been trouble to degrade that. It's almost as though you have to really hate a person with a different viewpoint and that I find it hard to comprehend that side of it that's the only side of it that I think. Kind of wish I'd stayed out of it because you obviously people start to loathe you just because you think perhaps we should we should have remained in Europe which is you know it's just a viewpoint and obviously the vast majority of people are not like that but the people that shout the loudest are the ones perhaps you notice and the gender of the ones that get a bit angry and they get really angry when it gets to an extreme point of view which I'm sure has I'm sure you've had some very extreme things said to you is it just a straight book does it affect you emotionally not really on the football people sadly know just how it really sounds in the euro if you got that tens of thousands of necessary tens of thousands but thousands of people shouting abuse at you and it's particularly boring when it's your own fans. Get used to take Asian a bit of abuse online but what I have found is that I never get in the street you know I think in all the years I've had one person which was a little old lady it used and came up to me not a poppy about something or other but apart from the I've never had that I've only ever had good feeling on the street so it just makes you realize actually it's a tiny percentage it is a tiny percentage of people that their disagreement of their views into hatred. Gary this book is really good it's really good. You're going to hang out with us for a bit more after the news I'm keeping you here I'm going to whiten to you mention what it's called and I have a book that's behind closed now it's called golden. Golden Boot and how I don't like talking about it by Gary Lineker. Behind closed doors inspired by the number one podcast and is Lineker and anybody goes well we need to make that very very clear as well live for laughs and football we've got lots more to talk about and I we've got you for much longer but I'm going to make sure the boat that we got it was already I'm sorry but no can image go to the. Venue and knowledge play nearly anyone else this c.b.c. Radio 5 Live coming up Also we have Black Francis from the Pixies are going to be hearing some lovely stuff from Sam Fender who's of course Gallagher this weekend an amazing artist his new album came out last week it's brilliant Go check it out Ok it is 3 o'clock it is me now here on 5 Live the main story this hour the queen is not so muse with David Cameron in small parts she now says told no need to improve in all aspects after they blew a tuna lead against n.p.r. Cards last night. This is b.b.c. 5 Live and now it's time for the news that one minute past 3 Richard Foster Buckingham Palace says is an amount of displeasure after David Cameron admitted asking for the Queen's help during the vote on the Scottish independence referendum the former prime minister said he'd hope for a raising of an eyebrow but denies being on stage to unconstitutional I didn't ask for anything improper at the time Alex Salmond was saying that the Queen would be a proud Morlock of an independent Scotland and there was a sort of frustration that that was being put and nothing else was and so I had to talk to some of the aides of the Queen about the government says at the end of the season he was one of the biggest stars in f one. When he suffered the running crash back in February 20 and Latin I'm out well as is the clubhouse lead to at the p.g.a. Championship golf at Wentworth he's 7 under par after his 1st round picks feel truly in the country like significant .

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