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Good week bad week good evening on Chloe telly Hi I'm Lisa grey and this is a good week bad week where we look back at the people on the stories making the news the last 7 days as Joining us are Stephanie Bowles and here is the U.K. Correspondent for the German newspaper developed the entertainment journalist and the Berlin Wall and the director general of the Institute of Economic Affairs Mark Littlewood is him making his good week bad week I'm going to talk about David Cameron's reemergence we're going to ask if Northern Ireland is becoming a poor one in the BRICs again I wonder if anyone wants to eat healthy fried chicken and you could become all full of panelists just text as a 5 o 5 A or tweet B.B.C. 5 Live Now it's a little over 3 years ago that David Cameron the man he called of bricks that referendum and law. Aust resigned as prime minister here he is outside number 10 on Wednesday I would attend as Commons the prime minister's questions and then after that I spect to go to the palace and off of my resignation so we have a new prime minister in that building behind me by Wednesday evening thank you very much. On a set I can in the 3 has but now we have heard from Mr Cameron about Bret's that the referendum his old colleagues and why he home that little tune as he went back into Number 10 apparently he was nervous that he'd been locked down well he's also a has been serialized in The Times and the panel have been having a look Mark what did you make of it did you come out of it feeling sorry for David Cameron No I didn't feel sorry for him other than my rate of these excerpts was that he still seems to be as confused about what happened on the day that he actually resigned as prime minister you can sort of understand that he had a shock on the noise of the referendum and I think most people in the betting markets were expecting remain to narrowly win not leave to really win but I was expecting given he's being sitting in a shed in Whitney writing this book that he would have been able to articulate exactly what he thought went wrong and he hasn't really from what I read what I thought her insight did you know what did he think went wrong and he just sort of said well perhaps I underestimated the power of the leave Gene in the day and day and eye of the Conservative Party perhaps they appeal to Hearts and they appeal to heads but he still seems somewhat confused about why this from his perspective is the prime minister who effectively let the remaining campaign ended up losing and I was expecting given we haven't seen much for him for 3 years for him to have Also that conundrum for us and I'm not sure he has so a bad week for him I think Stephanie 1st of all I think it's very very interesting of course and I think a lot of people are waiting to to read the whole book and see how they perceive those 3 years and especially the time before the referendum. What I found a bit astonishing is how he the blame game that is now going on and feeling the headlines about Boris Johnson and Michael Gove and it was one bit in the interview I think on Saturday which I found actually Holmes a bit cheeky when he said well he had to do this referendum because the European Union was going into a direction that Britain could not follow and he was talking about the euro zone crisis and. I happened to be a Brussels correspondent exactly in that time and it's simply not true so he's rewriting history there because he's saying well we had to jump off the train because otherwise we would have been dragged into the euro zone crisis well in 2011 it was agreed that Britain would not join the bailouts for the Euro Zone countries so you think this is more about the internal politics of the can set off policy he's blaming the absolutely and that's how it is perceived as well in Europe what I find spectacularly offensive about this whole thing is the timing if he tweeted that he was going to serialize his book and there's a comment underneath that just says Read the room Dave you know we're not ready for this we don't want to sit around and listen to you contemplating how you felt about this and your emotions the country is more divided than it has been in living memory this is something that if you're leaving if you remain a Everyone agrees it's not going well we don't know and when would have been a good time for him to do a lot of these 1st days or it to be OK I have no emotional cost because he might be there a while I have no emotional capacity to deal with how he feels about this issue I just don't care we all know that it went wrong many people think it was a bad decision to go to referendum he sticks by that in this book very clearly says I you know I didn't expect this result but I still stand by my decision to have a referendum I just think just just not right now my lots of brick city is think it's fantastic that it was a referendum Well yeah I suppose they do but I mean do they really think it's fantastic the situation we're in now Monti you think he was forced to call a referendum do you think it was down to your down to internal strife or do you think that he just didn't think it through was a bit arrogant and so I will remain a win so we'll just get this referendum. Away well a bit of each agree what's been said I think the European Union force if this upon us but I don't think it was a strategic decision made by David Cameron Really he was forced into a corner his own party was increasingly becoming euro skeptic he had the Roys of Ukip to contend with there'd been a campaign for a referendum on Europe I think all of my adult life talking from what I can remember on one thing or another the Maastricht Treaty the Lisbon Treaty sooner or later a referendum was going to be called or I think because he sort of was seen to have pulled the Scottish referendum out of the hat at the last minute because he was saying to pull the coalition together in 2010 sort of last minute and because he won an outright majority in 2015 he's been given the sort of he's been given the moniker of being the essay crisis Prime Minister when he actually got hit get into trouble with just about turn around the outside but sooner or later you miss a deadline and this was the one he got called out on he thought he was going to put out the hat again just squeeze over the line but this was the one where he just fell short but there's not enough emotion he kind of says that he regrets it and it didn't go the way I wanted I wanted to say he's also he gets it I want to say I cannot believe this is keeps me up at night he said he was depressed there and you have enough to see it in the end that he says I just didn't go far enough for me I just think that it's not you know it's also not you know I'm pressed enough many people are extremely angry at him not just any daya many other people and I think we want him to go further but he's not to to violence remain or right I mean if you think back 4 or 5 years it would have been conceivable that Cameron would have come out on the leave side and I you know we know how our present prime minister apparently agonized about which side of the debate to come down on but I don't think that David Cameron is a sort of devout pro E.U. Type but it's not about being a remain a not it's more about being responsible for war where the country is now let's him but if you like in the decider Greece should be his decision was to bat. To the people to actually say effectively myself as prime minister of my party are incapable of muchly making a decision on this one way or another you're going to have to decide my voice is that you should do X. But you chose to do was do you think he'll be remembered for anything else or does this absolute as we look back in history will this just be the single legacy of the day David Cameron time in office well he would love to be remembered as the man who legalized gay marriage but is NO NO chance my this is going to be what will be remembered full well in Europe he will be definitely remembered for that and for the prime minister who then left the stage. So the question then that we are is whether he had a good week or a bad week I mean we're all talking about him his got several headlines as an A.O. Across the front pages we're all talking about his new book so it's been good fame on that front hasn't good published book cycles he's got a very good week his publisher will be thinking he's had a very good week if he's more interested in his long term reputation and historical legacy he's had a bad week in my opinion but you have to come down this is I know you knew but you have to come down on one side you start when bad starts with bad my good we're with you we with it we hear what you're saying Stephanie it was a bad week for David Cameron if some people like me it's just stirred up all the anger I had for him absolutely a bad week. Bad week OK to carry on with threats it because Chris Mason the very busy fellas called correspondent has just run off our telly screens and into the studio waving evening if frex it was only about Britain and my being wrapped up by now but the question of what happens to Northern Ireland has always been one of the biggest hurdles to finding a deal with the E.U. List week there seems to have been some movement with lots of talk about whether there could be a solution some have said the Northern Island only backstop is back on the table others suggest a halfway house where Northern Ireland would have regulations a bit closer to the and the might be some checks of goods going between Britain and Northern Ireland the time splashed on Friday that the D.P. Had offered to blur some of its red lines to get a deal that was pretty quickly squashed wasn't it Chris with the D.P. Saying that it was bad journalism Yeah so what we've got now is various members of the company including Stephen Barker the boxes which is today talking about a landing strip that they can see for a deal now I don't know if it's just my sleep deprived mind pictures as you imagine that kind of imagery I mean in the in the hours and some tiny strip of grass somewhere that they're going to try and London Why do I say that because what they're trying to do it would seem is looking at this idea of a Northern Ireland only backstop I'm reminded of. But is it an implicit question has gone what on earth does this mean this is an idea that's reason I had and then decided to own house because it wasn't going to work because the D.P. What this is about is effectively saying that Northern Ireland would economically stay closer to the European Union than England Scotland Wales the idea being that that would mean you wouldn't have a border between northern Ireland and the Republic solves one problem creates for some another which is this idea of a border in the Irish Sea effectively you are dividing up a sovereign country the conservatives knocking on Mt They are the conservative and Unionist Party they certainly weren't keen on it when the reliance on the day you pay to prop them up when trees May was prime minister the kind of silver lines on the now except that majority smashed to smithereens anyway so it's an extent it kind of doesn't make any difference so there was talk of can you revive this idea of the Northern Ireland backstop the D.P. Don't like it we kind of know that Boris Johnson there was also sides that he doesn't want to start parceling up different parts of the U.K. In a different why I thought he started quoting the late Ian Paisley who talked about this idea that the Carrolls in Northern Ireland around Irish but the people are British In other words this notion that it is a single agricultural economy they already have some checks at the ports and then on the east coast of Northern Ireland don't they for livestock exactly so there's a conversation going on about can they find a way bluntly I suspect of dreaming up a Northern Ireland backstop that is called something different which Parliament can wear and the E.U. Can as well but it seems to be kind of what they are definitely not call a backstop when I think that word is pretty well grounded to push for capital I think when you get a sense that I mean and they were crystal ball gazing as we always do Chris but do you get a sense that we are edging closer towards a deal or is this all just bluster. We can say as fact the government is talking a lot more about a deal rather than as they were a few months ago talking a lot more about no deal Boston's off to look some more smidgen of the European Commission and I think we can expect him to return to his mantra that he wants a deal but he'll leave October 31st come what my and I mean on the timeframe right now it seems not I only impossible I think to get a deal and get it ratified by the 1st 1st it's not impossible they could do something at the summit as in a month's time could they realistically get it through parliament in 10 days and get onto the statute book of not a tall order whether that would actually count as a proper postponement of Brecht's if it was kind of a technical delay to dot the i's and cross the t's but with the way Parliament is that I mean I cannot say well if I say this in documentary I mean maybe Stephanie you want to comment on this because he's got to convince the E.U. Hasn't he that he has the numbers that anything that they were to agree should should there be a new deal that he's got the numbers to get it through parliament is otherwise why would the E.U. Bother but it's not only about the House of Commons and having majority in parliament it's 1st of all whether the E.U. 27 will accept that and I've spent the last days talking to people nonstop because of this meeting tomorrow in Luxembourg where the Prime Minister's meetings uncle junkers So I talked to a lot of people all over Europe is there a deal and they are saying well we haven't seen anything so the fact is that David Frost the negotiator for blacks it has been in Brussels many times now but there's nothing written on the table and those Johnson after he met are going to America in August said well we've got 30 days but more is $25.00 days have passed and there's nothing on the table and these summits they do not work that you go in there 5 minutes to 12 and then you've sorted out they are papers are solved $1015.00 days before month sometimes 5 days but this is not going to work and for foremost it's what Ireland ones and you have to talk to the Irish if you want to hear if there's a deal or not and all of that is true in normal circumstances and but this is Bracks it this is backs up against the. Well time for base the British government and the and it's clear that everyone wants to get a deal if it's all possible so count things move slightly differently in the circles for this extraordinary event then they would have moved to differently already in the holidays brinkmanship it says it is always brinkmanship and that's why I think there were going to be an extension what are you hearing Chris from the Brussels side of things ahead of this meeting I mean we keep talking about or you know positive noises both sides on that. I mean Brussels is keen on a deal but the point the point you're making is a fair one from the conversations the more limited conversations that you're having I suspect but speaking to colleagues in Brussels or LOOK AT THIS DAY TO DAY I'm farming for instance they're not hearing specifics that's what they're saying they're not getting in terms of anything that is concrete a lot of the stuff we've heard around the Northern Ireland backstop and those are the things Stephen Barton about sex stay on pain as part of section 5 I was talking about the idea of extending the transition period which sounds new and you realise that it's there in the with George agreements already as in the deal that was rejected by parliament that reason I negotiated with Brussels and and so it's possible if you get a deal and that remains part of it's you could ask for an extension to the original agreement now be politically tricky because effectively you postponing Yes you've left but the nature of a transition period is currently set out is that nothing changes other than the flight comes down what do you think I am not particularly about this idea of this in Northern Ireland only situation I think it would be extraordinary difficult to get that through for the reasons that Chris says he's quite right to point out I think the government's majority is now minus 42 so it's no longer the case that they're totally real and of the day U.P.A. They need to find some numbers from elsewhere but if the Democratic Unionist so not on site they're going to need more Labor M.P.'s or rebel independents from the opposition benches to get anything through so we're in the old scenario in which we don't seem to be able to form any majority government more present parliament there isn't a majority in parliament for any particular Brit bricks at resolution and there isn't a majority in parliament force a general election so it was a poem that we call in this twilight zone area on the Northern Ireland issue I think there is a problem in principle of allowing an external agency which the European Union would be if we left to treat different parts of the United Kingdom or a different fashion I get the oil and of oil and has geographical particular difficulties because they would be a LAN. Board of that but I think it would be extremely difficult for the conservatives to agree to something that treated Northern Ireland differently particularly because those 10 Democratic Unionist folks could still yet be crucial in getting any 2 through what about you and you were less depressed about this subject the next time the David Cameron memoirs Well this is just such a sticking point isn't it and if you know people like Chris Mason who work at work in this area every single day I think about all the time doesn't really know where we're going with it how the rest of us ever supposed to know you know it's so difficult you know the Good Friday Agreement is surely one of the things we can look back on as one of the few triumphs of modern politics and surely that is sacred Surely we need to hold on to that and trying to find a solution that on as that means forward with bricks it just feels not impossible but we're going to do it because otherwise we're just going to be in this Groundhog Day situation forever more are you in any way optimistic that something can know it will ever. Happen even finish about you Stephanie do you think that there is any chance in the next we've got 6 weeks left haven't we until the October 31st deadline day do you expect any movement no I don't think there's going to be breaks in the 31st of October I don't think so I think they were going to be dead in a ditch you know he's out there but he will say I was forced by Parliament I was forced by the Europeans I have to ask for an extension on going to go for no deal do or die again. Or says a lot of things and I suppose our question then what was our credit's week more than 2 weeks in Northern Ireland Yeah so in terms of perhaps if there were a deal would it be good for Northern Ireland in terms of preventing conflict or an encouraging future trade with the E.U. a Bad week because anything that pulls Northern Ireland away from the U.K. As a whole is unacceptable not good week or bad week on actually going to say good week because it did look to me in the middle of the week as if if you like northern oil his position was going to be surrendered perhaps as a bargaining chip to get some deal through from what the prime minister has said and the Democratic areas clarifying the position I think that's no longer the case . So where the end of the week I think good week for the awful lot of stuff and I think every week for Northern Ireland is a bad week as long as there's no bucks to do. OK how about week. About week now parliament Claes down this week with much acrimony. Opposition M.P.'s loudly shouting no when purgation as it's known took effect they say that Boris Johnson suspended proceedings to avoid scrutiny of bricks in the government says it is just closing Parliament to get over the not true break for the conference season and to get ready for a queen speaks with a decision to prorogue went to the courts the English High Court ruled it couldn't interfere but the Scottish Court of Session ruled that it was unlawful to see Priem courts will decide between them next week the government minister said this 200 nail none of us has any ever seen anything like this before what I would say is that the more the courts get involved in politics that is a detriment not only to politics but also to the courts because many people are saying I'm not saying this but many people and I'm sure Nigel fraud might have a view on this many people say are saying that the judges all biased the judges all getting involved in politics I'm just saying what people are saying that's what people assert so you don't think these judges too can independent and profitable I said you know what I said Katie decision I said that I think that they are impartial but I'm saying that many people many leave voters many people up and down the country are beginning to question the possibility of the judges that's just a fact and I just think he's right people questioning well one whether the court should be involved and how impartial judges are I think people are questioning if you do call this what comes up is could the queen of said No I think people just don't understand this whole situation with Boris because the queen she can't really say no even though a question is being put to her and then this whole thing about the courts why is it the Scottish court can see. One thing and all can say another thing and there's another court considering the fact that a lot of people say broke that happened because the common man felt he wasn't being listened to this is just a more more complicated more moral way from every day she's I think it's just getting even more confusing actually for most people who are sort of political journalists are thinking about this all the time and I think it's getting less and less relatable it's just very frustrating What a mess if you look at this from the outside and you don't walk in politics one absolute mess what do you people in Europe think Stephanie I think it's absolutely astonishing that the representative of the British government puts into question if judges should interfere into politics he would say that he was in question but he was vitally focalizing what some people say yes but I saying it he also empowers the people to say it so I think and especially I mean looking from outside Britain is especially from Germany it is just we at my own Britain so much for the democracy for Parliament for for the judicial system for everything and everything is not put into question here and I find this really I mean tragic and also bit scary because how can people go out and say well the Scottish judges surely they'll remain is and that's why they took the decision they took I mean this is this has been reported very widely this this Dutchman I think it was on Wednesday in an Edinburgh and there was a big story in Germany and the idea that next week the Supreme Court could say that actually the probation was illegal the constitutional crisis that would follow that actually a prime minister lights to the Queen this is something absolutely breathtaking but it's also something down snobbish about it that well you know we don't mind until someone lies to the Queen and we don't. Think well of course the courts are getting involved in politics but well yes I don't blame them for that the courts have to. The courts are being asked to make decisions about the British Constitution I mean the idea that the court should. Ever being involved in politics is crazy but what this highlights I think is actually how fragile Britain's unwritten constitution is if nobody really knows what the rules are about when the prime minister can probe parliament or whether the queen can say yes old no and all of this is based on sort of convention and whatever somebody reckons a gentleman's handshake was when we 1st made it up in 1804 or whatever it was that's pretty fragile an unwritten constitution works when all people agree to abide by the same rules but if you actually have a very fractured politics as we did at the moment the rules need to be clear and the problem is they need a little too weak to say when it can be programmed I mean it's ridiculous there isn't a straight forward more about this Maltese the rule about when the problems on the House and what we should write the whole constitution because what's happening at the moment is people are 2nd guessing the courts not on the basis of whether it was good jurisprudence but on the basis of whether they like the outcome now I actually don't like the outcome I'd like to see happen but I totally appreciate that independent courts have got to judge whether the Prime Minister acted in appropriate fashion so even though I don't like the outcome I like the process but it's confusing isn't it as Imus says for people who aren't involved in the in the legal system when how can one court say one thing and one court say another it does confuse people who are just watching this and I'm feeling at the I'm a bit confused in a bit desperate situation anyway but this happens all the time that culture is different opinions in Scotland has a different legal system but I disagree court will adjudicate there's no there's no room to go beyond that we'll get a final answer on cheese like it's all very interesting having this high faluting augment well done Charing Cross Road there are more homeless people out there than I've seen in years you know the and it just is crumbling when are we having to deal with the things that affect people in Britain every sign waivers OK but that could be never could be never but that's one reason to have died before the result over it needs to be a result right so has it been a good week or a bad week for the coal Stephanie very good week. Good wake up a great bad way because they've more confusing. Could we. Right sort of us on a little bit lighter shall we a Boston K.F.C. Said that this week that the fast food outlet had given up on some of its healthier options the company had spent 8000000 pounds on avance to make lower fat recipes but the problem was the new ones just didn't sell Cassie's Jenny Packwood told a public health England's annual conference it's no good launching a product which looks good nutritionally but then nobody buys it it doesn't improve the health of the nation and in terms of sustainability it's a disaster Well no she's got a point there's no point in doing if no one's eating it doesn't she get 3 cheers to the mom I want food producers to produce food that people actually want to buy. And I don't go to K.F.C. For Assata I've never gone to K.F.C. Thinking what I really need now is a healthy element of my dog. I have quite frequently because I actually really like their products or other false or other false food out there so I think the idea that you try and sort of foist on people things which is just completely out with the brand proposition is just crazy I mean. Quite a lot of relatively unhealthy food but I don't only get that every day and good on K.F.C. To actually listen to their customers so that we try to trial something which obviously people just don't like it return we have a report this week that found 4 in 10 children could be obese by the time that they leave primary school in 2024 and surely the anything that goes towards trying to prevent that is a good things why is it K.F.C. Is full wasn't every other fast food chains fault why isn't it the parents fault for you know educating their kids was it not advertising there are so many different things that will come together to contribute to the problem also cast of change the chips nominal for nice so that healthier healthier for the not very nice and you know the point is that if you want to treat if you're thinking you know this is something that I'm going to treat myself to then that should be your choice other people can smoke or drink and if it is something that you want them you know it's your job to decide whether. I can treat myself to that or maybe you know I shouldn't because I'm overweight and it's you know it's not a straightforward issue but isn't it also that we sometimes need a bit of encouragement and if we haven't got the self-discipline to necessarily. Say Well actually I need to not pass that fast food outlet actually if you go in there but this is a healthy option or a healthier option isn't a good thing once you're in that you're in there I mean you're not going to say oh look at the salad Well I mean it's simply depends I think how often you go there and if you go there once a month or twice a month that's different I think it's it's a question of age and these these numbers about obesity among kids that's the point I think because you need to have kids being used to healthier food but some people just don't know they do that I mean I know it sounds ridiculous but when they started putting the calories on some things in coffee shops or whatever and you will can you see that a muffin is like 900 calories you don't even need to eat another meal if you've had that you know it was quite shocking perhaps people didn't know that I mean I know that people aren't going to K.F.C. For you know if they're on a diet perhaps but in some way a lot of people don't really think greatly about the food that they're consuming and maybe they do need to be healthy it's not only thinking about it they just like this food they're like food that's full of fat and full of sugar because their taste how do they taste but I just used to this kind of food and I I often observe in the schoolyard moms who pick up the kids a quote of us 3 and give them the whole chocolate muffin I just looked it up I think it's like It's 106 it's way it's. Of around 30 grams of sugar I think and that's that's already more than the recommended daily intake of sugar for a child so no wonder they don't always want sugar you're not going to solve this problem by encouraging restaurants to produce food that people don't like there might be a number of whites that was essential to make healthy food that tastes nice that we do that well this is filed in that regard and you know I'm a great not just fast food but K.F.C. Much more than once or twice a month for the fast food 3 or 4 times a week if I want went into K.F.C. As had I've got 15 pounds on me I want the maximum amount of calories you get me from the look around. You like you had with them after going through the menu myself something I'm really really hungry. So maybe you know it's not just a normal day that wasn't a normal day you know I was particularly hungry that day but I mean I don't really like the few that sort of the great unwashed out there have no clue what I think they do and we've got to encourage him to take more responsibility and actually the restaurants from the government rather less you shouldn't be stuffing your kids full of K.F.C. It everyday should be a treat it should be used sparingly but we've got to give people food they actually like the idea of food that people don't wish to consume is the solution to any concerns about obesity is completely what I be forced to scope of their own business they don't the point is that so good week or bad week for K.F.C. I think I know what I'm on so many customers sorry yes wait for it 3 customers they're going to get more of what they like I think those were good week for the customers good week but better if they change the chips back. To week right after the nice. 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Good week bad week yes it is Lisa grey and I'm play recently and this is still good week bad week and I look at the last 7 days in the news still with us a little bit from the Institute of Economic Affairs and the Bullimore his hands time and Chan list I'm Stephanie Bowles and from the German newspaper difficult and coming up was the speaker and M.P.'s champion or just to remain out with a loud voice doesn't help to say sorry for something happened 100 years ago do you mind saying bombs on the telly absolutely not Texas now a 5 day 5 day 2 you can tweet us at B.B.C. 5 Live right good we badly thought it's in the last of to reason why but she's popped up again with her resignation on as lest 26 of her former advisers got awards but most controversial gong went to the quick Geoff Boycott he became a knight women's rights groups though he shouldn't have got the award because of his convictions for domestic violence in France suggests insisted that he's innocent he's insisted his innocence on the Today programme it's called case in front you're guilty which is one reason I don't vote to to remain in Europe you're guilty until you're proved innocent that's totally opposite from England it's very difficult to prove you're innocent in another country and know the language most people in England don't believe me I didn't do it. I move on it's a cross I have to bear right or wrong good or bad I have to live with it and I do because I'm clear in my mind and I think most people in England there is still true although the chief executive of Women's Aid has said celebrating a man I don't get a toss about 25 years ago so you can get your political nature and do whatever you want with it Geoffrey Boycott response his former girlfriend Margaret Moore told the sun this weekend that he hit 20 times and he didn't deserve his knighthood do you think that we can separate something that happened in someone's life 20 odd years ago a conviction. That clear scale in the field of sport not when it comes to a knighthood not when it comes to giving a special on A to someone something that is you know start to very few people and you know a lot of people don't really agree with the night it's system anyway but if you're going to say going to take set number of people and just really elevate them and say you are you are the greatest we have I think any of these convictions should just rule you out instantly 173 women died in 2018 as all people sorry mostly women as a result of mystic violence is something we do not take seriously enough it's something the scene is behind closed doors it's very difficult to kind of combat and the numbers keep rising convictions keep going lower. We have to take it more seriously than just saying all the something that may or may not happened I just don't think is good enough why do you think. And all saying we shouldn't take domestic violence more seriously but I don't think your with your granted on or on or should depend entirely on whether you did have a criminal conviction in a foreign country I don't know the ins and outs of the case or whether Geoffrey Boycott is innocent but here's what he will say where he's completely still claiming his innocence from a in a foreign court I just don't know about that but to my mind it's not an absolute veto if you've committed a crime to be on it for something which is entirely separate to that. Why you hand waving a wire what he may or may not have done but clearly his contribution to the sport of cricket has been pretty sensational not just as a batsman but probably the most recognised engaging pundit. For cricket over the years and I'm not quite sure where we draw the line which is not to say let's pretend to Mystic violence doesn't happen but what level of conviction would you have to have before you were excluded from getting an O.B.E. a An M.B.A. Or anything else now any or anything well certainly a spaceship speeding falling in your excluded for getting an M.B.A. That's a criminal that's a criminal conviction so if you were caught speeding when you were a teenager No not had for you whatever you've done in your life afterwards and even if it doesn't pertain to it we could take that position I think that would be an overly strict one of the pope of the honor system is to try and not necessarily a poor people's character in the rant but to honor them and to start on the pole poem a recognition for a specific line of work find it Helen is far too often use as an excuse for these kinds of things this is why we end up with celebrities whose you know misdemeanors are just ignored because oh but there's such a talent but I don't know I mean you know what it has in terms of giving him a night he's had it was had in the north a lot published to the Certainly being no you know but it hasn't stopped him being bestowed with the greatest honor in the world but it's actually probably brought more attention to the time. Violence issue actually in recent days so I think we've got to be clear about what level of conviction should preclude it and if we want to sorry as you know a speeding falling when you were 18 years old and you can never get annoyed where you are so different Only if you want to say that there are certain levels and domestic violence you would like that murder an armed robbery might clear that but we need to be clear where the law in news rather than I think focusing on each individual about you the director general of a company if you were recruiting people for a role you would do a criminal records check presumably for their suitability to be representing your company Yeah I was representing the United Kingdom in a role as a as a so I wouldn't necessarily preclude somebody with a criminal conviction I mean I believe in rehabilitation for example I've never knowingly employed someone with a criminal conviction but I did want interview someone who was very honest I had one and I seriously considered him for the job stuff and I find this absentee and acceptability has got a knighthood and I think what is what has made it even even worse is that I mean the way he talks about the court in France and about courts in Europe or say that the principle would be how did he say that you are guilty unless you are innocent I mean this is so I find this outrageous I mean how can he say that if a French court or a German court was something that wouldn't stick to the law he was convicted he was found guilty but he doesn't even he doesn't show any remorse and he comes on air I mean obviously he wants to he claims he's innocent so he keeps on his narrative but there is not one little bit of remorse and I think of I think I mean this whole system for someone from outside anyway is a weird thing and someone is it is a so or a dame but anyway that's very British and it's probably also very makes this country so special but I think it's unacceptable to someone with this conviction especially in these 73 days ago the new numbers of domestic killings came out and you think what's going on how is that possible in the dismissive disrespectful ways. So that female journalist interviewing him I just. Says we need to know so on the question of whether is a good week or a badly for to reason man I think I know where we're going to start with you think it's terrible good wake I think this is a. Bad week. Although we had 2 good didn't we there are 2 of us sorry no ignore me. You made me doubt about momentarily I thought I'm sure you said to themselves I asked her to move on they want to think on the but. Very confusing sitting in pieces there I feel like I need to be all grumpy. Anyways all confused little about the speaker Terrace all of it breaks it was a film John Bercow would probably be hoping for an Oscar as Best Supporting Actor. Throughout my time I. Was Speaker. I have sought to increase the relative or forest see all this legislature. For which I will make absolutely no apology to anyone. Anywhere at any time. To deploy. A perhaps dangerous for a use. I have. Sought to be. The backbenchers backstop 3 I. Will speak it on backache given his defense was actions as he announced he was going to step down as speaker he received applause from the opposition benches but not much from the government side illustrating the way that he has divided the House of Commons some praise him for standing up the Parliament others say he really is just standing against Bracks it Malthouse he feel about the speaker do you feel that he's entertaining he's good for democracy in that he's trying to hold parliament to account would you feel that he's a vista the mark probably all of those things I don't. It's part of his role to be entertaining it probably is the most entertaining speaker we've had in our lifetime so that's not part of the job spec is supposed to be a referee and as a king football fan I get irritated when I see referees who want to be a star of the shot would wave their hands in error want to get involved in the guy you want your referee actually not to be and to take you want to play his to be don't notice him you don't want to notice him and he's being very very noticeable where I have some sympathy I do think his job is to stand up for Parliament if you like against the executive that's far right I mean he's trying to hold the Government to account but unfortunately whether you believe it to be true or just the perception is definitely seen as if he is more partial to the opposition benches than to the Conservative benches and whether that is true or not is definitely a wide perception and the same way that a referee in a football match would probably not be acceptable if one football team strongly felt that that referee was biased against them I think is probably right that book has replaced as the speaker of the House of Commons What do you think Stephanie I know I keep asking you to speak for the whole of the E.U. . As an outsider's view looking and is this just like total nonsense to you the way that our parliament behaves Oh no no no not at all and John Bercow is very very I mean famous now in Europe and there's been so many profiles and even gifts in UN German social media and the biggest like the German B.B.C. Has done a show on him and he is the very probably with Boris Johnson the most known politician from Britain now but I do agree I think it is not good that he was so entertaining because I think that has made the poll process more polemic and I think it's a good thing he's going in that sense because it will be interesting to see after the 31st of October and I assume Rex is going to go on how the next speaker of the parliament will deal with defending parliament and not being biased that's going to be very interesting to see. I mean well I agree but I just think all of this is these the tricks these personality politics are actually very damaging and it would be really nice to see some Harriet Harman come in who people respect and to just do the job without all of this nonsense that goes around you know if you just sit and watch Pam cues and watch them Jaring each other like boys 18 or something I don't know it just is so off putting I need just want something to get done especially in this kind of Brecht's stalemate that we're at the moment so I mean it's quite a win for John Bucher he was going to go anyway fairly soon now he gets to do it with you know a big funfair which he enjoys so you know great for him but I just yet enough already whoever comes next that in these bizarre political times can anyone going forward truly being a troll I think it's nearly impossible sadly because hope or exit by as polarized the nation and parliament is it now actually possible to find him pay you who is widely respected across the house across party lines and across bricks it lines are now I'm scratching my head to think of a competent well known in pay who is trusted and respected by both sides of the press in the party political debate that's going to be extraordinarily difficult I don't know Harriet Harman at all but she would be seen as I. You know we're now boxing people almost exclusively into their politics their previous party politics and their stance only a year and the best speakers of the House of Commons we've had or those who are able to overcome that Betty Boothroyd came from the Labor Party background but there was no question in the always of people across the House of Commons that she will scrupulously neutral to all sides treated Conservative M.P.'s with no federal favor and labor in place with no federal fiber No no human out of the 650 is coming to mind but to be through it was best I guessed on this program and she was absolutely talking about how she laid her her party hat to one side and that is the privilege of the role what do you think Stephanie do you think anyone can be truly need troll going forward in these crazy times no of course it's. Difficult but John Burke also said himself he is not neutral in the sense that he is always standing up for the interests of parliament and that's what he should do and what the next speaker also needs to do but it's only what we also have judges in a court of law isn't it I mean I'm sure any judge you know everyone has a personality they're watching a defendant think your don't like him or whatever that's the matter if you have an opinion as long as you're able to be neutral in what you say out loud and how you to blast the question has he been as neutral as you would expect not in what I'm saying I don't think we are sort of finding someone you know you're not looking for someone who has no opinion whatsoever but if they've got to have trust and respect almost immediately I think the problem with John Bercow from the outset was that when he was voted in and typically the 2 major parties take turns I think only about 3 or 4 Conservative M.P.'s voted for him are like than expected to have broad support from both the Conservative and the opposition benches not for it to be their guard against that gal you know I mean to actually see someone who can command pretty widespread and deep support in both the Conservative Party in the Labor Party but I don't have a night it was interesting in these time sensitive times that they spend 90 minutes of parliamentary time giving him you praising him and thanking him for his work wasn't it so the question is then was it a good week or a bad week for the speaker he is going so it was a good week because he's making sure that he goes on his terms when he wants to badly because he has to go because people may have lost trust in him I think it's a bad week for him I'm not sure he really is going in on his terms I think a consideration here was that the conservatives were threatening to run in his seat the next election in another break of standard convention and quite possibly the conservatives would have taken his seat off him so I think he was a bit like what we're discussing with David Cameron earlier I think he basically ran out of political real estate so he's not a bad week but he's getting his pastor to the 31st deadline of of no deal anyway I think it's a good week for him because it looks like he decided when he's going and he's going at a time that this might be crucial but he's out of his knee can't be seen as part of the crisis anymore they get weak. I don't know if we can help so I missed the bottom because there's nothing like delay that no one of the most dramatic pictures of the week was one of the Archbishop of Canterbury lying face down in India he apologized for the massacre that took place that 100 years ago I cannot speak for the British government I'm not an official of the British government you would believe that I can speak in the neighborhood prize and I am sorry shame and sorry for the impact I think that there's a crime committed here on a 919 the British general Brigadier General die ordered 90 an Indian soldiers to open fire on an crowd official figures say 379 people died but the total could have been much higher Emma do you think he was right to apologize Well I mean obviously he said he can apologize on behalf of the government or whatever but I just it was such a striking image because we hear so many times our leaders be there religious or political say they're sorry for something say they were grateful for something but it's all you know lip service whatever this was such a striking image has to made look personally affected amazed and ashamed I look like a genuine so of moment for him and I think there should be more of those displays of humanity and then that's actually something to believe in and something to look up so I just I thought it was quite good moment stuff and I was very touched by this picture and it reminded me mediately of a very important moment in German post-war history which is the 1970 when the German then German chancellor travel to of WA So this was in the height of the Cold War and he visited the monument for the for the uprising of the ghetto and he was he liked on a wreath and then suddenly he felt like this is not enough and he knelt down so he was on his knees and asking for forgiveness and that was really the turning point of to. A mini A West Germany obviously. Building up better relationships to Eastern Europe and at the end of the day also in 30 years ago the Wall coming down and I think these days just as at the time people the Westerners didn't like that at all 48 percent that they were completely over the top but I think these Justice can really have if they come from the government of course and it's well the obvious is not that that isn't I think there is a big difference but I think these justice can be absolutely story and very very important and an image as you say it is very defining isn't it of a name rather just somebody seeing somebody standing in a crowd or whatever at a lectern saying somebody's lying face down I'm going to at least I'm going to sound horribly unsentimental I'm afraid I mean everybody can agree that the Amritsar massacre was utterly horrific there's everybody agrees that but I'm not sure these gestures do matter unless they come from the appropriate authorities and I'm not sure the Church of England is the appropriate authority and unless they come with some recommendation or remedy of some sort I mean it's obviously a 100 years on too late to actually sort of compensate the families I would have thought opposed to or affected but I would like robber than we have I think a bit too much in our culture at the moment on all sorts of things many things much trivial and Amritsar where people are called upon to apologize and always want the apology to come with a plan about how you arrive are going to remedy what went wrong you know should we build some sort of monument in Amritsar room museum or something like that to commemorate Kannan that isn't of this place it's easier for Man of the church to lease your political views not really if you like the appropriate authority this was a British military engagement I think both David Cameron and to reason I have said things about is I think Cameron said it was shameful treason I said it was a scar but I would have thought the appropriate authority is the prime minister or somebody in the British military and always want more apologies to come with a plan for remedy an action in this didn't come with on the. Maybe this just came from the hot Oh I'm not saying that he's insincere I'm not saying that at all but. I'm starting to understand and sentimental but if we want to look back on bleak episodes of our history I think Rob I'm just noticing them but also make sure we do something about OK Very quickly we need to move on to a much lighter story you're good we work for him good week good week. Good week. When you talk about bums on T.V. . Everybody spends their Sunday evenings listening to this program I'm sure but if they don't they might be watching television by the sounds of it they're getting question I feel in particular from the T.V. Show Sanderson which in the 1st 3 episodes ashamed 3 naked male bottoms the writer Melanie Madonna and identify This is a trend this week pointing to male bottoms appearing in P.Q. Blind as Victoria War and Peace pops most famously Tom hit all bomb course not Hiddleston in the night manager do we need bottoms on telly and do we need male bottoms because this is what it seems to be these be times in there on the when you would often see female flash but it seems like it's turning now this is so hilariously British that we also lated by mail bottoms but then we watch Game of Thrones who are perfectly just accepted that women walk through the street totally naked being humiliated It just depends you know I think it's a Sunday night period drama classic story for The Daily Mail which is where this is come from and actually I think it's sexist to see Darcy in a in a way than this I mean it doesn't really do much from a conscious decision I don't know I think it's something that often happens in period drama just to kind of like make it a little bit more edgy because otherwise they can be a bit stuffy I don't know that it's a general trend if I'm honest Stephanie I I find this absolutely a non-story. You have to entertain us this is how it works you know but in Germany you know Germans generally are far more relaxed about being naked we go. Naked on the beach we go naked swimming we we like all sauna and all that stuff so I actually wouldn't even think about. T.V. Is there last night this is a job yeah it's a lot of snake and it's wasted on you Mark I just I don't know who watches this stuff I mean I spend most of my weekends watching sports which has quite a lot of my post here isn't it but you should but usually covered by sports where. But I'm not prudish about this if this is what people want to watch for whatever reason that. I could wait for the mile post area. And I wish we wouldn't have these hang ups about it OK So good week in that it's great entertainment and bottoms are all fine or bad because it's unnecessary perhaps exploitative and. When no explosive I go out go on them good wake wakeful nail bombs. Good wake Well you know most. Of the we know. 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