Most of your life because we are confined to our cabin we are not getting any choice of food it's pretty basic in a changing media landscape the culture secretary Nicky Morgan suggests the b.b.c. License fee is up for grabs if you have to criminalize the norm payment of a license fee in order for the b.b.c. To say it has the funding to remain relevant and that was just to me there's something wrong with the model and who is this guy remember where it's not just this represented this time of the shooting victory for this event this candidacy decision that you all have been important. To gauge a gay military veteran is leading after the 1st official vote to choose which Democrat should take on Donald Trump our very own Jim knoxy is up early in Scranton Pennsylvania to talk to us the b.b.c. News is read by Susan Ray the Chinese authorities are stepping up efforts to control the spread of the corona virus which has now caused the deaths of nearly 500 people in some areas orders have been introduced allowing just one person in the household to go outside to buy supplies in Hong Kong visitors from mainland China have been ordered to enter compulsory quarantine for 14 days our correspondent Robin Brant is monitoring developments from Shanghai the highly restrictive measures put in place to try to contain this virus in will hand and now slowly emerging in of the cities far far away the government is continuing to stop long distance travel and increasingly it's asking people in parts of some of the cities or forcing them to stay at home for almost all the time it would hand doctors say a newborn baby born to a mother there with the virus is also now tested positive for it raising the prospect that it can be passed on in the womb or thirty's in Hong Kong for further tightened restrictions there mandatory self quarantine for all visitors from the mainland who come into force on Saturday. Thousands of passengers on 2 cruise ships have been placed in quarantine for 2 weeks after a number of people on board both boats tested positive for the coronavirus one ship is anchored in waters off Japan the other is docked in Hong Kong here the health secretary Matt Hancock has said the government is taking the outbreak very seriously a final flight to bring British people back from who Bay province is due to leave early on Sunday the Foreign Office has advised all British nationals in mainland China to leave the country a man who fell ill on an Air France flight on his way back to the u.k. Has no tested negative for the virus the b.b.c. Has been told it must evolve to meet the challenges of the digital age if it's to avoid becoming an historic relic speaking in central London the culture section a lady Morgan said it was time to think carefully about whether the t.v. License fee was relevant in the modern media landscape she's also launched a consultation to evaluate whether criminal sanctions remain the best way of dealing with people who fail to pay for their license as our media editor Amol Rajan reports on the current rules nonpayment of the license fee can lead ultimately to a jail sentence in 2018 more than 121000 people were convicted and sentenced for evasion the average fine was $176.00 pounds 5 people in England and Wales went to jail lady Morgan asked whether the current system was still relevant in the context of a revolutionized media landscape the b.b.c. Argues that only no point 3 percent of court time is taken up with evasion cases and that removing the criminal to Taren would cost the corporation $200000000.00 pounds but precisely how much it would cost the b.b.c. Is impossible to predict because in June 3 point 7000000 pensioners who had been receiving free t.v. Licenses will have to pay for them this includes many of the B.B.C.'s most loyal audiences. The health secretary Matt Hancock says the government will adopt the recommendations from the inquiry into the disgraced surgeon in Patterson Pattison is serving a 20 year prison sentence for wounding patients by performing unnecessary mastectomies and other Saturdays the report yesterday said he got away with it for years and it wasn't convinced a similar scandal couldn't happen again his own health editor Hugh Pym the Paterson inquiry report contained 15 recommendations to address what it called a dysfunctional health care system which had failed patients up until 2011 when the surgeon was finally suspended the health secretary Matt Hancock said this morning that the central recommendations of the report would be implemented including information sharing between different regulators He said that be an update in a year's time on the introduction of the most important changes his predecessor Jeremy Hunt who's just become the chair of the commons Health Select Committee has told the b.b.c. The committee will look into relevant issues in the n.h.s. And private hospitals raised by the report when in office he'd made patient safety a priority but he said the safety culture still wasn't right the jury at the trial of Hashim Beatty the younger brother of the Manchester Arena bomber has been told a friend refused to buy sulfuric acid for him after learning it could be used to make explosives the 22 year old defendant denies murder and assisting and encouraging his brother Salman ab a baby to carry out the attack in May 2017 which killed 22 people and injured hundreds more from the Old Bailey down Johnson reports the jury heard that during the early part of 2017 Husham a baby and his older brother Selma approached friends and relatives to buy stuff you're a casket and hydrogen peroxide on their behalf Asham a baby's work colleague Mohammed Solomon is believed to have ordered 10 liters of acid after he was told it was needed for a battery powered backup generator in Libya another friend tried to make a purchase but didn't have enough money then approached his father who warned him about the potential use the friend then had no further contact with the brothers the prosecution says they were able to amass more than 70 liters of chemicals to build there Bob. The government is planning to reverse reforms introduced while to resume a was prime minister which restricted the use of police or pre-charge bail in England and Wales the home secretary pretty Patel has set up proposals which would travel the length of time suspects can be given bail for and ensure it's used where there are assessed to be risks to victims witnesses and the public the number of new cars sold last month by 7.3 percent despite sales of electric vehicles nearly doubling this is size of Motor Manufacturers and traders said $11700.00 fewer You cars were registered in January than during the same month in 2019 it blamed a fall in sales on the confusion over diesel and clean air zones and weaker consumer confidence Susan thank you a cruise is meant to be the dream holiday of a lifetime that has probably changed for the 2600 passengers on board the Diamond Princess of Japan they would all be confined to their cabins for the next fortnight because at least 10 people on board the ship of tested positive for coronavirus the $1100.00 crew have also been quarantined and the ship is floating off Yokohama I spoke to David Abel and his wife Sally who love the 1st part of their holiday until this happened the captain made the announcement at 6 30 am to say that it's 10 passengers at proved positive for the coronavirus they have been waken off the ship by the local Coast Guard and we are told that they are now in a medical facility we were told when the announcement was made the captain said we have been instructed by the Japanese health horse already were you are on the ship right now return immediately to your cabin and do not leave your cabins you are all going to be in quarantine for 14 days are you in your cabin now yeah absolutely How long have you been there. All day when all at out we cannot open the door and walk around the ship we are not allowed outside the cabin and are you not allowed to leave your cabin for 14 days correct how do you feel about that . Well I don't feel too bad about it because we've got a rather nice cabin with a bow Carney so we can open the door during the day time and have fresh air and if the weather is good we can sit on the balcony and joy the view and the sunshine the passengers the are getting the really bad deal of those of got the inside cabins where they've got no natural light and no fresh air and say Well food and water is being delivered to your cabin it was supposed to be a luxury cruise Well it was it was a fabulous Cruise can't complain about the ship or the food the entertainment it's been brilliant but most definitely the cruise has ended and we are now similar to being prisoners if you lie because we are confined to our cabin the food that we have enjoyed for 2 weeks it has been fantastic Aleko every mail now we are not getting any choice of food it's pretty basic Are you able to communicate with all the other passengers only those that you know so when we go on the balcony I can talk to my next door neighbors and on the deck that involve us but we can't talk with anybody else that we don't know so for instance during the cruise we were sitting on the dining table in the evenings with the same people and we all got on very very well so we got their e-mail address Facebook details so we are in communication mainly via Facebook every day on and off throughout the day how are they coping and how are they coping. Well 2 of the ladies are not coping at all well because they're smokers and the Japanese health or Thora he said that no smoking was to be permitted on the ship and they really are strong smokers you know before the meal and have go and have a cigarette straight after the meal that be out have a cigarette and they're climbing the walls they really are climbing the walls of her home and are you getting any more information about whether anybody else is coming down with the virus. As it stands right now there's been no further announcement about passengers health I would expect Now this is speculation but I think it's an educated speculation that within the next 5 days I would expect every passenger will be checked by the quarantine people again and I know you both a bit nervous I mean if either of you have coughed today you must have thought about it I'm not concerned I'm anxious not about contracting the virus because we'll be well taken care of who are after we are sure that occasion happened but my anxiety is more about the family at home and our 2 that Yorkie dogs and this ship are you Dr alongside the harbor we have been the dogs they Port Authority will not allow us to dock so we've been on the anchor in the middle of the ballet for the last 2 days. And the ship is running low on water not drinking water but the water for the showers having a bath and water in the taps and so on they make their own water through the salinisation process they've got on board so they have to go out to sea for the salinisation processing to work and we are now returning to Yokohama where we are being allowed to dock for the ship to take on extra provisions and what then you also have to go out again to see for the same process yeah what do you most worried about it given the days that you have cooped up just the 2 of you what are you most worried about and from the days ahead. I'm not worried honestly I'm really not I always make the best of every opportunity this is something we never wish upon ourselves but we just take it as it is and we'll deal with it in the best way we can my biggest concern on board this ship is having food that I can enjoy and Sally can you talk to your wife Sally how what are you worried about. Well obviously getting hurt I mean I don't like the fact that I feel like a prisoner but. No nothing in particular we somebody made a comment earlier about they didn't know how they'd be able to cope in the cab in took 14 days together they might kill each other well we won't do that we've been together a long time so put up with each other but it's. Be you must be a bit fearful of going stir crazy and just finding enough things to do with your time. Well we have a large you know we have a t.v. We have a load of movies that we can watch. Take he's going to his knees we're the invader when I greet so ever we will be fine whoa whoa we really will have Dave and Sandy able. To make contact again is that quarantine goes on Professor Callum Semple is an expert in Outbreak medicine at University of Liverpool is also a member of the expert committee that advises the chief medical officer and Department of Health on new and emerging respect tree viral threats Professor Good afternoon good afternoon sir I mean in one sense I suppose a cruise ship is pretty easy to quarantine what does it tell us though about the spread of this disease it's absolutely the right action to be taking by the Japanese authorities there's a very long history of Corinth tuning ships as they come into court if they're carrying infectious diseases and it can be a very effective method well preventing disease entering a port city I'm township or city is because of the ships another. Tourists and pub activities in there it's a perfect place to spread the virus so their actions are absolutely correct it's also remarkable the fortitude resilience been shown by Sally and Dave I think that's the spirit are all hoping for that this is of course day one for them not day 13 into their minds of press but by then as we're probably can see the exit. The difficulty though with all these decisions whether it's a ship or for example the Foreign Office advice now that British people in the whole of China if they can should come back to the u.k. What it was that was that the right advice. It's a different it's a different issue the issue in China is one of a humanitarian issue for the British the British citizens there and we're starting to see challenges in health care provision. So therefore if people. Can couldn't selves into a better safer position that's also a good idea in the British government has a responsibility to do that but the challenge is going to be accommodating these people when they come back to the u.k. Because if they do come from a risk area. There's likely to be an expectation that they will self isolate and there's going to be limited capacity to do that there's only so many blocks of nursing accommodation that can be repurposed for this right so it's for fear of their treatment their all their ability to get treatment there that they should come home but it does create the. Necessary treatment it's actually the basics of food water societal stability what tends to happen is you get a breakdown in normal provision so it's not simply just health care it's can you get baby food can you get. Can can you be safe in our society and if if people are being forced to stay in buildings that's not something that could be comfortable for many British ships at sea for a living out there doesn't it increase the chance of spending the virus if they come back then yes that's that is the risk and that's why I would expect to see action similar to those taken for their return needs to be replicated say what anybody coming back from China will need to get into 14 day quarantine I can't I can't prejudge what decisions will be made but in the earlier stages of an outbreak these would be the reasonable actions to take there comes a point for it's it loses its effectiveness once you get disseminated spread within a community but so far the authorities have been incredibly successful at limiting spread and we have not seen sustained onward transmission in Europe or America mainly because the right public health message methods have been taken so. Isolation and quarantine at this point is worthwhile doing that that could change in 3 weeks time if in 3 weeks time we've got stained on richest mission in Europe that becomes less valuable to quarantine because essentially the cat's out the back Professor Callum Semple thank you very much now coming up on the program we'll be talking to Jim knocked he in the States about what a gauge the dark or Susan merged as a possible challenger to President Trump to get in touch on social media hash tag is b.b.c. . Email address if you want to contact us wild at one at b.b.c. Dot co dot uk a. Now the need government consultation launched today is about whether it should be a criminal offense rather than a civil one to watch or stream the b.b.c. Without paying the compulsory license fee but that's not all it is about since the arrival of the Internet mobile devices and viewing on demand are listening and watching habits have changed beyond recognition the media regulator Ofcom said this week that a quarter of all children don't watch any live broadcast television at all it's one of the reasons that when she launched today's public consultation the culture secretary Nick Nicky Morgan said it was time to think about the whole way the b.b.c. Is funded and whether there should even be a license fee of the negotiations for the next license fee settlement the mid term charter of you will take place between 20222024 this will look at the B.B.C.'s governance and regulatory arrangements and ahead of the next charter reprocessed we were under take a detailed look at the future of the t.v. License model itself the license fee will remain in place for this charter period which ends in December 2027 however we must all be open minded about the future of the license fee beyond this point. If the license fee changes the b.b.c. Is funded in the same way as other broadcasters either from subscriptions like Netflix or from advertising like i.t.v. What happens to the public service commitments that it has the culture secretary confirmed that the government was looking at redefining who in what is a public service broadcaster or p.s.p. In an age of x. And streaming the p.s.p. System including i.t.v. Channel 4 channel 5 as well as s.t.v. In Scotland n s 4 c. In Wales provides a wide range of benefits to the u.k. To our culture often and to our democracy. Peers bees remain popular with audiences but peers b. Business models including the B.B.C.'s must adapt and as the world around us changes our laws and regulations must change too in this age of absent on demand streaming services our concept of public service broadcasting should extend beyond just linear t.v. Channels of Commerce stated the public service broadcasting is now at a crucial juncture I think that it believes the time is now right for government parliament regulators and industry to consider the need for a new framework for Public Service media in a deal reached with a government some years ago the b.b.c. Will be taking on the costs of free television licenses for the over $70.00 five's and it decided that in June this year they could no longer be free for all but should be means tested the culture secretary announced today that the government would introduce a new flexible payment scheme called the simple payment plan to help those who are struggling to pay the b.b.c. Media editor Amol Rajan told me the government's move on decriminalizing nonpayment would be popular I think a lot of people would find in do you think it's kind of mad that yes in 201-812-1000 people got criminal records because they failed to pay something which is to a lot of people affected your tax it's a tax because it's a compulsory payment and if you don't have a good crew record the b.b.c. Say the only points. Percent of court time goes on this but the fact is 5 people went to jail in England and Wales in 2018 because of this and a lot of people think that's not only outrageous but that if you move to something a bit more like a civil procedure where if you pay a utility bill for instance you get a slap on the wrist and a fine that be not only a but he's a cool time but more just as well but this is also tapping into something much wider which is as a result of the all of you in habits are listening habits change exam much in the baby's coming out 100 years old and for most of the pieces exist it's had something approaching a monopoly in both news entertainment that is gone and faces on precedence competition and one of the problems when we talk about this is we talk as if there's a solution for this there is a surge of this the internet happened and the younger you are the less attached the b.b.c. You are if you're between $18.34 in this country so when you might want to pay a loss is free you almost certainly use a huge amount more of You Tube Netflix and you do the b.b.c. So the she's got a huge problem in that younger viewers are much much more interested in the Internet and that's not only a kind of a behavioral problem but it's also a financial one because at the moment with the Internet and streaming giants there is enormous hyperinflation and we often compare the B.B.C.'s Nicky Morgan did today to Netflix that's a bit bizarre because actually Netflix is a business is in tens and tens and tens of billions of debt and it's not realistic to suggest that you creators subscription service without funding that somehow well it's what the b.b.c. Says about it class is director of policy at the b.b.c. Good afternoon. Can we start with the the consultation launch today that of decriminalising nonpayment of the license fee is the b.b.c. Going to fight that move to turn it into a civil offense rather than a criminal offense. I think what we're pointing out today is that the vast majority of people actually pay for their t.v. License we reach 91 percent of adults across the u.k. And people pay their license because actually that delivers across television it Cross radio and of course our own mind I mean that the fact that apps and on demand services is the b.b.c. Is trailblazer so not behind the curve Ok so for that reason then so for that reason will you my question was about whether you would be fighting the move to d to decriminalizing it we just don't think it makes sense because the government themselves actually looked at this fairly recently and a q.c. Found that the system was working it was effective and fair and if anything had concerns that other systems such as a civil system would actually make it worse for everybody the other key point here is that potentially the b.b.c. Could lose hundreds of millions of pounds which would be paid for programs and services for audiences and also lose that money from the creative economy which is you probably know is the fastest growing sector we just don't think this may make sense Ok we all know that the culture secretary if you Morgan made the point that that last room review was 5 years ago and even I mean the media landscape changing so fast that even the last 5 years things have changed so dramatically that it's very hard that is as the culture secretary said it's hard to justify the license fee let alone criminalization for not paying it. Mo several things really haven't changed Firstly we reach 9 out of 10 adults audiences support what we do and they also support the license fee model I think what's most important to remember too is that actually the media consumption world has changed and the b.b.c. Has been keeping up and sometimes at the forefront of that change and also in fact when you look at the civil and criminal systems actually those haven't changed and if anything there's more concern about civil bailiffs in the way they conduct themselves the Minister of Justice actually doing the review so some things in the civil system may have got worse what according to the B.B.C.'s own research what has happened to support for the license fee Well the main source I think is the government's own confrontation a chance at which consulted over 200000 people which found that 75 percent support the license fee our own research continues to show that there are many people who support the license fee above for example a subscription or an advertising model of 75 percent Is that enough when I think what is enough is the fact that the vast majority of people in this country pay for the b.b.c. It's a universal service which we recognise and delivers something for everybody we also bring the country together support British culture support British talent in a way that no other organization does does that I think causes the b.b.c. Not recognised culture as well as the b.b.c. Ok but does a so well said what so what is the B.B.C.'s aunts or to the change in viewing habits that has happened for young people Illustrated not only least by this week's off com report showing what has happened to the way that younger people watch media now. Well I think this is a really important thing for us all to recognize young people are consuming differently of course they are and they got masses of choice online but we have been growing our I plan on demand service and no destination for those lights t.v. a New box and last year over $4000000000.00 people requested downloads of our programs that's a huge amount younger audiences are coming to us more as our offer has increased we're putting in more content to live there we're also growing sounds which is our digital audience again with more pop casts more music mixes and more things that appeal to younger audiences but we've also got to remember we are here to serve everybody to feel we think offer of services do you fear that there is something else going on here between the b.b.c. And the government which many of the questions at the the launch of the consultation today were about which was the suggestion then actually not least. From one number of questions about whether this is perhaps part of a bigger fight that the Beeb that the government the Conservative government doesn't like the b.b.c. In its current form and this is the part of a death by a 1000 cuts. I can't speculate on the government's motives but I think what I should say is it's really important that politicians and others don't if you like a catastrophe eyes the big c and talk something down there is actually fundamentally unique and brilliant for Britain I mean the role we play in Britain is really important the role we play globally is really important and the fact that so many people are still watching as does show that we are still relevant now of course we've got to be moving younger audiences more for diversity but those are all things that we are actually working on and improving on you know when you look at it really careful not to talk to b.b.c. Down and I want the b.b.c. Is doing is that what the government is doing well I think we just got to be careful when we look at the media today and the comments that are being made that we remember that the b.b.c. Is reaching 9 out of 10 people across the u.k. It's reaching 80 percent of younger audiences and people for example as a christmas love Gavin and Stacey blue planet today was watched by 3 courses a 1000000000 people across the world this is an organization that has got a great deal to contribute but do you think this is a government that would be supporting the license fee beyond 2027 but what they've said is that they want to look at that at the appropriate point in the cycle which is 2027 at the charter review and I think the government and I think Nicky Morgan acknowledged today b.b.c. And the public service broadcasting ecology is really important to this country it's also really unique I mean it's interesting that for example in France McCrone is trying to create something similar to what we have here class I'm not thank you very much. And the winner is Pete who to get might be tempted say Who is he the front runners ahead of the Iowa caucus in the race who should take on President Trump with the old timers Joe Biden and Bernie Saunders But when the vote finally dribbled in and it still doing so it was the youngest candidate who appears to have triumphed He's a former military man here is talking about his promises should he become president of the United States. Many veterans struggle to find or define their place in family. America deserves a commander in chief knows what that sacrifice will honor the sacred promise we make to our veterans when we also need to pay attention to Mike Bloomberg he swerved the Iowa caucuses to concentrate his far on Super Tuesday the really big test for Democratic candidates when several states choose their man or woman for marriage New York has outspent all of his rivals and is doing very well among black and Hispanic community leaders I've spent my career bringing people together to tackle big problems and fix them it has worked well in business and in running the country's largest most progressive city and it can work in Washington as well. As in Scranton in Pennsylvania and Jim do we finally have the results of the Iowa caucus. No we don't say that it's a complete fiasco the Democratic Party of Iowa which runs the caucus not the state has really mucked this up went wrong and all the rest of it but what we do know is he vindicated is that people to judge the mayor of South Bend Indiana complete unknown to most of the country a year ago has probably edged Bernie Sanders to win the Iowa caucuses doesn't mean much in terms of delegates for the convention in the summer but it gives him huge momentum going into the important primary in New Hampshire on Tuesday I mean I'm going to be reporting for you to morrow from Scranton Pennsylvania the so-called Rust Belt about what Democrats need to do or want to do if they're going to take on President Trump who is bullish as ever in his. State of the Union address in Congress last night as he will have had and it's a daunting task do they move left words with Bernie Sanders or possibly much less likely Elizabeth Warren or do they go for a more centrist figure a really represented by Joe Biden who had an awful night in Iowa he's slipping and sliding if he doesn't do well in New Hampshire last thing. We can probably say goodbye to the former vice president and judge who at the moment is by far the most intriguing Democratic candidate although you're going to ask me about Mayor Bloomberg I'm going to ask you about Mayor Bloomberg get on with. His name feel. No he doesn't I mean he's announced after the catastrophe in Iowa the organizational catastrophe that he's doubling his t.v. Ad spending in the run up to Super Tuesday on March the start a great clutch of primaries in that day and he's joining the fight there well you know because feel about Mayor Bloomberg of New York you know he's not a figure that. Really gets huge recognition on the street believe it or not I mean you know that the huge Bloomberg Empire financial media empire is not one that people associate with him. You could say that he's going to be trouble for Donald Trump because the president is spending a lot of time talking about many Mike he says because of his short stature he claims it's a complete untruth as far as we can tell that Bloomberg has said he wants a box to stand on if the candidate debates because he he won't reach the microphone unless he's going to box to stand on it was a funny line quoted by somebody last night saying somebody said to Bloomberg what would it be like if you had to billionaires fighting it out for the presidency and Bloomberg looked puzzled and said which is the other one. Do you think about Ok but just to give out going back to Pete Gage do we start taking him seriously now I mean to judge you know how do you know but it you know cross the country. People will be Googling him let alone how to set pronounce his name. You know with a better learn how to spell it I mean he's a fascinating character he's openly gay of course the 1st person. To reach really this kind of prominence in a presidential con contest who's been able to say that Mitt of a relatively small town Bend Indiana which is most famous for Notre Dame University so not a figure that ever featured on the national scale he was a Rhodes scholar at Oxford he was in military intelligence he worked from the Kinsey the international consultancy firm I mean he's a very capable guy but what's interesting about him is that he seemed to be he seems to be touching. Of with Democrat supporters who are wondering how they take on the formidable armory of trump they worry that Bernie Sanders might be the but the candidate the Trump dreams of and booted judge might give him a shock we shall see it's the earliest of days said about New Hampshire really matters and Jim thank you very much Jim noting now families who have severely epileptic children are going to take legal action against the n.h.s. Over its failure to prescribe medical cannabis the law changed at the end of 2018 meaning medical cannabis could be prescribed by individual specialist doctors in the u.k. And some cases the very few n.h.s. Prescriptions have been written instead those with epilepsy and other chronic pain conditions attending to private clinics went to one welcome American was going to tell us very briefly about the history of the plan if it is essentially exploded I was carrying his patient who doesn't want to be named has had excruciating back pain for over a year I went from I was very well paid middle managerial job to being an employee overnight and the next morning I couldn't I just scrape and I couldn't imagine any more power than I was in my God you try it pretty well everything the reason came to losses banking is I'm sure he's been taking 22 different kinds of painkillers for his back don't he says the foam acetic will reduce the pain need to take tramadol dies and pick up and say Ok from 9 till it's 8 and a half is unbearable yes week please he's come to the medical cannabis clinic at a doctor's surgery on how many streets in London it's one of just 3 companies in the country registered by the Sikh u.c. To run medical cannabis clinics medical cannabis clinics where we are today as 650 people on the waiting list and that's without marketing without advertising Professor Mike bones runs the clinic He's also the doctor of. Feeding really the epileptic child whose dramatic recovery through using medical cannabis caused the law to be changed Bones has long advocated the use of medicinal cannabis some of the American States was a list of over 50 conditions which doctors can use cannabis for at the moment sadly the n.h.s. Is not prescribing out signed 2 products one for epilepsy and one for stress to city following say stroke I'm brain injury so sadly the only way they can get legal prescribe cannabis is through the private sector many people can't afford to get it through the private sector my worry and concern is actually the publicist around kind of I was actually driving people to the black market doing a good job for the drug dealers that's something the patient recognizes he says the inability to get cannabis medication on the any chance has forced him into a position that's against his principles not for recreational drugs asshole I'm totally against it on functionally often pushed into to having to buy from the black market from the drop to as and for that I could be arrested he's not alone a recent You Gov Southern indicated that up to 1400000 people could be using illegal cannabis to treat medical conditions spending up to 2600000000 pounds a year many feel it's the only solution I was introduced to your medicinal cannabis and after my 1st invite a mosh I'm psychic right within a minute or 2 with the pain and gone back to a level I didn't think would be possible in an endless stream of just absolute agony cannabis makes the price manageable get out of description and we want to root for flour and that's why the flow this clinic provides him with the opportunity to obtain medical cannabis legally but the debate around cannabis is still a long one. And not everyone is convinced Harry Some know Professor of substance use at the Public Health Institute of Liverpool John Moore was university sounds a note of caution we have a dense base is quite poor in relation to cannabis and certainly weaker than the sorts of evidence we expect to see before we would for example introduce perhaps a more traditional medicine or medicinal product we don't really have good evidence around cannabis products that contain by c.b.d. And t.h.c. Many clinicians of course are very concerned around exposing particular children to t.h.c. Because it's a psychoactive chemical and this broader concerns about the links between t.h.c. Mental ill health and symptoms of psychosis but it is today taking all down. To the last day of not effort here and there is another patient at the clinic he has severe epilepsy his mother Rachel rankle says that before trying medical cannabis he situation was terrible is a risk of sudden unexpected death an epileptic patient because it was happened hundreds of seizures a day and the seizures caused him to become bedridden tried over 20 pharmaceutical drugs the drugs would work for a couple of weeks and then they just stopped speed up horrendous side effects he wouldn't be able to war he would have had a lot of aggression he's hallucinating they've also given him I mean crease in seizures as well welcomes interviews he's been taking medical cannabis containing the psycho active ingredient t.h.c. Which is almost impossible to get only in a trance the family have been a painting through a private prescription and it's costing them 2000 pounds a month but they say it's transformed his life his quality of life has been immense He doesn't sleep all day in bed he said he's playin he's holding conversations be unable to feed himself he basically got our boy back she says growing cannabis or obtaining it a. Eagerly would not provide the quality of medication that Bailey needs so this clinic is that only option we are in the low on those funds and we've only got 3 months of medicine left if we don't get any more many baby goes back to a life of hundreds of daily seizures even survive commit through them anymore. Caroline Tara for reporting. The conservative m.p. Daniel corrosion Skee is facing called to be suspended by his party after speaking at a national conservatism conference in Rome he was talking alongside other far right well talking alongside far right individuals from across Europe fellow conservatives and leading Jewish and Muslim groups have criticized his decision the Labor Party says Sir Tory party whip should be removed but the British born m.p. Says the reaction to his trip has been hysterical and his critics should take a more inquisitive approach John man Lord man is a now a crossbench peer he's the government's independent adviser on anti semitism Good afternoon a grafter and independent as an independent Lord man what do you know 1st of all what did he actually do can we get to the bottom because there's some question of what he actually did at this conference and who he was talking alongside what do you know but we don't know what he said because he's speaking literally at the moment so we'll wait to hear what he says but there are some. Awkward individuals that he's sharing a platform with and if he's doing the appropriate thing what you'll be doing is he'd be highlighting the growth of anti semitism on the right in some of the countries that are there in it's a way in Hungary in Poland and what should be done about it because that is certainly one of things that links many of the people on the panel that there's been a significant growth of far right anti semitism that's had a very big impact including stuff in the last few weeks in those countries and I also hope he's saying I I fear isn't because he did make an extraordinary intervention in the debate in the House of Commons on Holocaust Memorial Day where he was challenging the definition of a not say and trying to. Suggests that the only National Socialists were German and of course on the platform he's sharing there is one individual who's trying to rehabilitate Franco from Spain another one is trying to rehabilitate muscly name who of course was a a fascist and part of that Nazi war effort so we understand speaking at the same event Hungary's prime minister Viktor Orban and Italy's populist leader Salvini who are of course elected leaders within the e.u. So the. So it for you it comes down to what he's choosing to say when he has this platform perhaps rather than his presence that. He did speaking to Conservative M.P.'s his presence there is a huge embarrassment to the Conservative party but what he says is the determining factor and I'm perturbed by the approach he took in the debate on Holocaust Memorial Day So I've been tracking for about the last 15 years series of conferences particularly Eastern Europe eminent out of Eastern Europe they're attempting to rewrite history and rewrite history of the Holocaust and particularly to try to remove any responsibility of anyone in those countries and we've seen that in laws that have been instigated in Poland that make it a crime to suggest the poll was any way involved with with the Nazis and it's this rewriting of history is incredibly dangerous and I suspect that he's not challenging that today lord man thank you very much. Well before we go just reminder of our headlines the thought is in China bring in further measures to try to control the spread of the corona virus which has now killed nearly 500 people passengers and crew on 2 cruise ships in Japan and Hong Kong have been placed in quarantine after a number of people on board both vessels tested positive for the virus the culture secretary has launched a consultation on whether nonpayment of the television license should remain a criminal offense saying it was time. To think carefully about whether the fee was relevant in the modern media age the B.B.C.'s director of policy class summer told of the move didn't make sense and warned against talking down the b.b.c. I think we just got to be careful when we look at the media today and the comments that are being made that we remember that the b.b.c. Is reaching 9 out of 10 people across the u.k. It's reaching 80 percent of younger audience is Blue Planet 2 it was watched by 3 quarters of a 1000000000 people across the world this is an organization that has got a great deal to contribute. The government has said all the recommendations of the inquiry into the road breast surgeon in Paterson will be implemented within a year. And just finally the weather dry bright day with sunny spells a few light showers in the north that's almost it from us we'll going to leave you with some music friends fans of a game while the after a cryptic Twitty message by the actor Matthew Perry he suggested there might be big news on the way. And you heard it 1st on Radio 4 now the disrupters Kummel armored and romance other speak to some of the biggest names in business about the lessons they've learned along the way today one of Britain's foremost inventors such a mess Dyson. All this week on Radio 4 we're telling the stories behind some of the world's biggest businesses from the entrepreneurs who started them it's about hard work risk ambition plus the attitude you need when things get tough now we think that these stories are not just about business they're actually about the tough things in life this is the disrupters presented by me c'mon Ahmed and me romance over I'm an entrepreneur and I'm not Today's guest is one of Britain's most influential and pioneering entrepreneurs so James Dyson is Georgia you know it's really interesting if the interview is particularly lucid and illuminating his case I couldn't make it to this interview because I was in Los Angeles where I've been spending time as an entrepreneur I saw off starting my business over there and your office. 3 stories is really incredible it's one that takes you from relatively small town in Norfolk to this huge campus in Wiltshire it's got $4500.00 employees it's home to the Dyson Institute of Technology there are students there and also a lot of the new products that they are working on so secretive the when we went in she had to have stickers put over the cameras on your phone so you would be able to photograph anything that might reveal what the next Dyson success story might be books are on your bookshelves that's one of my favorites because I was asked to write about my father who died when I was non He was in hospital from when I was about 6 he had lung and throat cancer and so from almost the day I can remember he wasn't really around and it was very very sad what effect did that have do you think on the get huge effect on being an entrepreneur I think a huge effect because I think I felt on my own and so it was about being self-sufficient. Self-sufficient relying on. Oneself wanting to be independent wanting to be different is really one of the great engineering success stories but unlike some of the entrepreneurs we've been speaking to he didn't come from a background of academia or business and indeed James Dyson didn't even have an engineering degree they were going to one day downtown this is to your c.e.o. This one well yes because well we're going to down to the Senate and the coaching I get this is this is really cool this is where Dyson test their products is that right yet it's really old space because there is no echo a tool it's like sort of walking in to a vacuum but the floor is a large slab of concrete on rubber and if you see the walls massive pyramids of foam can hear the sound completely change it completely changes and the odd thing is after about 10 or 15 minutes in here you start to feel dizzy because you're getting no feedback as to what's up right. Well let's try a little baby's gears maybe for both effect as you try to feel it's not easy. As one of ask of really straightforward question how did an art student from North Norfolk become one of Britain's most successful entrepreneurs start from the beginning well yes so you're quite right I grew up in North and often and north of it then was very cars off there hadn't been discovered by Londoners and hadn't been discovered by mainland us in the early days no one went there so I had no idea what to do with my life at all since I love doing art I went up to London to do what they call a foundation course as an art school and while I was at the art school doing my painting and drawing the principal called me into his office and he said What are you going to do and I said I don't know he's dying I think you should be a designer. So I said What's a designer I mean this sounds naive but you have to remember that in the sixty's there weren't design magazines I mean design wasn't a subject it just didn't exist. He said Oh well that you know there's a stained glass design there's interior design there's an industrial design There's furniture design I said No I know about as I said I'd love to do furniture design but James quickly moved away from furniture design and on to things on a much bigger scale What do you later describe as the nitty gritty of design for his final year project James as part of a small team about design the Ro talk c truck which is a sort of small landing craft and soon after graduating he created his 1st marketable invention something you might have seen is called the ball Barrow and it's a wheelbarrow with a ball instead of a wheel at the front was there any history in your family of what we might now describe as entrepreneur it is a good habit I didn't know what an entrepreneur was no I mean my parents were both teachers one of my grandparents was a vicar the other was a headmaster So no I don't we met an architect so absolutely nothing on top honors born or can you learn it well no I didn't really want to be an entrepreneur I wanted to make things had a burning desire to make a product to develop a piece of technology that is different to make a different product that does things better so I wasn't consciously being entrepreneur or businessman now the board Barrow sold well but because James didn't actually have any money of his own he had to get outside investment and he says it was something that ultimately caused him to lose control of the company and from that he learned a number of lessons I learned selling direct is what you want to do really not sell through a whole lot of other people because the whole lot of other people making money out of you in the end customer also that I wanted to do this thing entirely on my own but mostly I thing. To charge enough I think a lot of entrepreneurs always don't never charge enough so you don't make money if you don't make money you go bust and the thing's a failure so you got to put in yourself in a position where you can make money and it wasn't long before James spotted another opportunity for his next business idea one of the things that really annoyed me at home was a vacuum cleaner. Bag that can clean it really annoyed me and I discovered this system of dust separation the vacuum cleaner is a dust separator it's sucking up dust and separating it from the air and I discovered a system called cyclonic separation where you spin the dust out of the air rather than using a bag to try and trap the dust and I thought that would make a much better vacuum cleaner because it's the clogged up old bag that is the cause of all the problems in a vacuum cleaner so I rushed home and made a cardboard cycling literally out of an old was a box for an I and I think a cardboard box that a new one came in and I got a bit of hose and lashed it up to my vacuum cleaner and pushed around the 1st vacuum cleaner in the world that didn't lose suction so I started developing my cyclonic system are the textbooks and the very few textbooks on cycling's but the ones that do exist said that you can only be efficient down to 20 microns and I went to see the person who wrote this wonderful book on Psych Holmes who is called r g doormen at the chemical warfare establishment at Porton Down and he said Oh yeah they're really good down to 20 microns and I had to get it to half on my call . And 40 times better than anyone had done before. So I just set off developing cycling's building more or less one day and making one change at a time that's really important when you do development and seeing what difference that one change made and so for a period of 4 years I was building sort of one prototype a day and testing it and slowly increasing my knowledge. We do this on your own yeah it's a one person I was doing it in the rather wreck of a coach house behind the house and I was in there on my own every day building these cycling's and I had very few tools I didn't have a lathe I had a Black and Decker drill and that's about it and I used to make these prototypes by hand I didn't enjoy the fact I was getting further and further into debt but when you do development it is really exciting because you'll have a success one day and then a failure the next and better very few successes usually failures but you're building this knowledge for how many did you have to go through until you've got some of the you thought might be workable Well it's over $5000.00 I would say $5127.00 and then they were all failures of course until the final one James had a vacuum cleaner he believed was fastened period to anything else on the market the hard bit was done or so he thought surely one of the manufacturers would take it up and they wouldn't take it up. They all turned me down I don't know why I mean I don't think they really wanted to change or improve their product. They were quite happy selling bags and the very fact that they turned it down actually spurred me on. Because I thought they're not turning it down for good reason they don't want to change they don't want to undersell what they've been selling for the last 100 years which is a vacuum cleaner with a bag but with every refusal disappointment I was getting more excited understand from failure from rejection from whatever it is why they rejected it and overcome it there were problems to be overcome if my competitors as people who don't want to innovate That's quite a good market to go into now we maybe don't need to point out the obvious that they have been a huge success Dyson now has over 19 fowls and employees and does business in 82 countries but let's be clear they've also been some products that haven't worked out in 2016 Dyson discontinued a washing machine that wasn't turning a profit a very expensive washing machine and last year they scrapped the ambitious and in much vaunted electric car project because they concluded that it wasn't commercially viable would you describe them as failures or yes. That successes but which were tell you receive all the time we're not copying someone who's made a successful product and therefore we're certain of sales or in the risk business and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't famously James you've been a supporter of Britain leaving the European Union you announced very recently that you were moving your actual h.q. Of Dyson a British business to Singapore lot of people criticized you and said that just shows you not really backing Britain added you respond to that. Well my duties to my employees and to making keeping the business going we were expanding rapidly and we'd run out of space here and I had an opportunity to take an option on some land next door and build a factory and reapply for pan you can mission and it was referred to the sector state rich and you that takes 2 years I had to find somewhere to make my vacuum cleaners so I started making them in Malaysia to the production there was very good the quality was amazing and so I decided to move everything there because I needed all this space for engineers for engineering what I'm doing is expanding here since I made that decision I think we've taken on several 100 extra engineers and employees here but one of our main markets is Asia and you need to be there to understand it but here is still the heart of Dyson So we're very much a British business it's just that we're global savvy ro can't be with us he's in Los Angeles he said some great inventors find the business side of things a bit of a distraction how do you strike that balance yet running a business or being in a shed inventing things oh being a shared inventing things you know that that is the most important thing that's what I spend all my time doing I don't really run the business I mean I might steer the tiller a bit but I'm really here if we get the 1st bit right our products right and look after people the business will survive. Another one what's the middle number one piece of advice you've got someone thinking about starting their own business their own business. Well I never give advice because I've always ignored device myself but if I were to give advice it would be that don't think about making money. And start a business because you have a passion for something and want to make a difference so much change something you want to do something better than anyone is doing it at the moment start a business for that reason you're not just being an entrepreneur you're making a difference you're making a mark you're doing something interesting that's what's important so enticing thank you very much. So again really interesting from someone outside the entrepreneur World me the 1st thing you think about is these people must be driven by wealth James Dyson said if you're doing this to make money you're probably not going to the right thing yeah I really believe that entrepreneurship is a creative act like music sport art it's got to be because you're passionate about it if you haven't got that it's never going to be as successful as is it my friend that was the destructors with me c'mon Ahmed and me romance over tomorrow we'll be speaking to tell me to Boston whose company Life Bank has saved over 7000 lives in Nigeria. The disrupters was presented by Come on it and returned so that the producer was ga Katz and to hear more stories from the series search for the disrupters on b.b.c. Sounds. Towards the end of her life the author Andrea Levy gave an in-depth interview I found a lump in my breast and so they did a c.t. Scan and I got breast cancer on the condition that it would only be heard after death I've been very honest more honest than probably I would have been anywhere else in the public domain the author of the acclaimed small island the content of the book is The important thing and me not being a writer and really happy in her own words on b.b.c. Radio 4 on Saturday evening at 8 o'clock. B.b.c. News 2 o'clock the Chinese authorities say they further increased efforts to control the spread of the corona virus which is now killed nearly 500 people in parts of who Bay and she Jan provinces millions have been affected by orders permitting just one person per household to go outside every 2 days to buy necessities thousands of passengers on a cruise ship docked in the Japanese port of Yokohama are under strict Koren 1000 conditions after at least 10 people on board tested positive for the virus it's feared the number of cases.