To cover stuff coming to the u.k. From the e.u. The Royal College of Nursing said it should be abolished and the conservative policy would change the immigration skills charge which all employers have to pay to hire foreign workers the plan does not cover social care where skills shortages have been acute the s.n.p. Will launch its general election campaign in Edinburgh the Smalling revealing plans which the party says will prevent the n.h.s. From being used as a bargaining chip in any future trade deals the party's leader Nicholas sturgeon says while health policy in Scotland is governed by Hollyweird agreements signed in Westminster could dramatically push up drug prices across the n.h.s. In June this year President Trump said the n.h.s. Should be on the table during trade talks although he later retracted the suggestion a conservative parliamentary candidate in the Norfolk seat of broad law and is standing down because of criticism of comments he made 5 years ago about a rape case hosting a b.b.c. Local radio debate Nick Conrad said women should keep their knickers on if they didn't want to give out the wrong signals a Labor candidate has also quit in a round generated by social media comments Kate Ramzan stood down in the Gordon constituency in Aberdeenshire after the Jewish Chronicle highlighted a blog post in which they said she compared Israel to an abused child The becomes an abusive Adul. A new report suggests that the Home Office is taking substantially longer to make decisions about asylum applications than it did 5 years ago with 3 quarters of cases still unresolved after 6 months the analysis by the migration Observatory which is based at the University of Oxford also highlights the uneven distribution of claimants around the u.k. With $150.00 local authorities failing to support any asylum seekers or home affairs correspondent Danny sure reports while asylum seekers wait to find out whether they can stay in the u.k. They're not allowed to work most rely on state support but the migration Observatory has found that the process is taking far longer 5 years ago 80 percent of applicants received an initial decision within 6 months now the figure is around 25 percent The report says management changes and budget constraints are among factors that have caused the delays pointing out that the majority of asylum applications turn out to be successful the study also reveals that 20 local authorities mainly in Scotland in the north of England host as many claimants as the remaining $362.00 council areas combined the home office acknowledges it's abandoned a 6 month target to determine most claims and says it's focusing instead on cases involving vulnerable people and children a judge in New York has ordered Donald Trump to pay $2000000.00 in damages for improperly using charitable funds for political purposes the case was brought by the New York attorney general against the directors of the Donald j. Trump Foundation which include the president himself and his 3 eldest children Donald Jr Ivanka and Eric from New York another Tofik reports along with being ordered to pay $2000000.00 in damages President Trump was also required to admit to personally misusing funds at the Trump foundation he also agreed to restrictions on future charitable service in one example I found. Ation fundraiser in January of 2016 was found in fact to be a campaign event the judge said Mr Trump allowed his campaign to orchestrate the event and direct distribution of the funds to further his political ambitions last December as part of the civil settlement President Trump agreed to dissolve his foundation this comes as the president faces public impeachment hearings next week into claims that he abused his power by pressuring Ukraine to investigate a political rival. The pensions regulator has issued a fresh warning about the risk of losing thousands of pounds to pension scams in a new survey it found that those educated to degree level could be a greater risk on average victims of pension fraud lost $82000.00 pounds little parachutes from the regulator says there are many ways in which a comma might get in touch maybe a call out of the blue it could be a tech stick a pin a mouse there are some very professional looking websites as well to try and people and part with their money make sure you know what the signs of a scam are always deal with her and if ca authorised advisor before you part with any of your money once you can submit your money it is very difficult to get it back Nicola parish that it's 9 minutes past 7 Scoobie a real battle for women's votes in this election with opposition parties believing that the conservatives are vulnerable while of course it is far too simplistic to lump all female voters together there is a gender gap in some polling Labor says it wants a step change in the way women are treated at work the party is promising to raise the Tennessee leave and to push for more flexible working let's talk now to Shami Chakrabarti labor Shadow Attorney General good morning good morning and why do you think this is a need for these measures will the one of the parts of this some very radical package perhaps the most radical offer to women in 50 years that you didn't mention in your in your opening was the policy on equal pay now you know that we've had equal pay laws in this country for the just under 50 years but we do not have equal pay Why is that why has the law not been working in a word enforcement you know more for the at the moment it is left to individual women to suspect that being paid less to gather evidence to make a grievance to stick their neck out and ultimately to go to the tribunals that is really hard and it's unrealistic for most women in this country particularly those who are in lower paid. Lower skilled work we're not talking about the dizzy heights of the of the b.b.c. It's really really hard to do that now if you really care about a standard in society whether it's school standards or food or medicine standards you don't leave it to individuals to sue the powerful the state stands in their shoes and present them and say now. That the next Labor government or a new work is Protection Agency working with h.m.o. C. Will be able to take in Foresman action directly against employers here who refuse to pay the law on equal pay and a number of the measures that you're announcing has been have been supported by business the c.b.i. Say that they support the reintroduction of protection against the party Harris meant they had engine of such a maternity leave but one of the issues that they're worried about in that's the idea of people getting a greater entire title meant on a flexible working so just explain to us what that proposal is a you saying that people will have the right to demand a flexible working or just to request it so at the moment you know it's the right to request but it's too easily batted off so instead of just the bare request where we're suggesting a presumption so it is still a request but the presumption is that unless the employer can justify why this particular role is just not suitable for flexible hours and flexible working then the presumption is that the request be granted so it is or it is a tweak to the law but it could be important to you but but not necessarily for business split between what the c.b.i. Say they say that these diversity action plans are bureaucratic to the point of being ineffective and unaffordable that the wrong answers to the right question but I so I saw that quote in a in a short press release which is fair enough because they've just seen our press release of yesterday and they you know that that they've pushed out a quote but but there will be time I believe to work with business on the trade you . Going forward to make sure that people are comfortable with the detail and that we can we can make these policies work in practice at the end of the day if you believe in equality the state has to the state has to get involved as it does as I say our food and school standards and health and safety and anything else that really matters to society people will be voting on policies they'll also be voting on values and we heard earlier in this program from labor m.p. Margaret Hodge longstanding Labor politician former minister who couldn't bring herself to endorse Jeremy Corbett in this election Well I'm you know I'm sorry to to hear that from. From Margaret his wife you know. Worked with and debated with with great mutual respect for for many years I'm very glad that she's been indorsed in her and her seat. In barking and I and I believe that you know there is still the possibility of of greater healing in this in this movement of ours not least not leading over anti semitism yourself carried out a report into this is a number of years ago we discussed this detail exactly with you because it's a separate issue so this is what I say this is what I think in all honesty I think that in recent times we have seriously improved our processes in a way that we took too long to do there's no doubt about it 2 years after my report it wasn't implemented it's only in more recent times that we've that we've increased capacity to do discipline and speeded up to see just how well that irreparable damage if you look at the front page of the Jewish Chronicle the main newspaper for the Jewish community they quote an opinion poll saying the vast majority of British Jews consider Jeremy Corbin to be an anti seem well. That obviously is incredibly alarming and disappointing but what I'll say is this because we tracked our feet. An implementation of the Siloam there is a trust gap and so even though I believe that our procedures are way better now than they were a few years ago it's going to take time to rebuild trust and it's going to take more than procedures and we've we've got to give the community time a new say and demonstrate over a period of time how serious we are about a patch tackling this issue in society as a whole Shami Chakrabarti Thank you it's now 7 and there are 120 flood warnings in operation in the north of England to rainfall which has been described as not far from the political a major incident was declared in Jeff 11 a large shoppers were trapped in the city's metals and buckets roll than Kells had been used to get down some roads. And been brought to a complete standstill down boats of emergency contract to streets ahead and be marking the waters in Sheffield overnight. Sportin members of the public. Were being taken to being flooded very very floodwater very soon after the community through the city American chanteuse are now in the middle of the night that still have to James Bulger a resident who lives in a village called Whiston in South Yorkshire which is near Sheffield morning to you Mr Baba how is it where you are Good morning this. This morning is. Somewhat quiet pool reporters think it's around 2 o'clock this morning and how bad was that in your house. Actually in the house itself didn't go to a barrel surface about 7 inches so. The lower levels in the lower rooms 7 inches so you've got a sea of water across the floor. Yeah yeah absolutely absolutely both House. And yard in that drug. Got to about. Wolf in full feet we all feel so impossible to get into a car impossible to get to get out you're trapped effectively way yeah yeah absolutely absolutely. The car out. Earlier on and I'm really glad of it because we saw that with all the pinnacle of it was to around 3 o'clock yesterday and. Now to believe that we know to be no Whiston him is that something he used to do their roses come as a real shock well. There wasn't the one since I had it worse than on. A limb cold more handling. Boats we've had our last time I can recollect all floors one in the early eighty's was a late ninety's 2007 was pretty. I don't know if you remember. The old reservoir Yes Yeah how does this compare with the Is that better was it well different. In 2007 it was it was it was the rain came the floods came it was gone within a day. This time the rains came from the state. And the water is just frozen it's been here about 24 hours you certainly admirably relaxed if I may say so Mr Bob or is this is all happening around you thanks very much and they. Take it it's element of the world as do subside and he can rescue things now we're also joined by mall Janes is the cabinet member at Sheffield city council covering the environment he represents a boon grieve in the city morning to Mr Jones good morning what's the what's the picture like around not just in the city of Sheffield but in the surrounding areas and it depends on so something much reach the people of mountain as you just heard can sort of previous commentator I mean I'm rather I'm just up the road there were people being rescued from a shopping center with about 5. Yeah we had some issues a lot of medical people were trapped that we while the lower down area has as police face the brunt of it and we had to we had a couple houses evacuated in off of our city. I think compared to her office our neighbors and I'm saying we keep an eye on Doncaster because we know we're expecting the was levels to rise. In the next couple of hours so we are we are offering to call for service much with our new neighbors and because in all things and hope that the differences hold. Likely images of streets that are flooded to quite a high level impossible to to getting killed but being used in places yes it was it was a very worrying one for everybody. At this stage and I'm not aware of any any. Significant issues in terms of. Such a life at the moment I don't think anyone could have been worse I think that's fair to say that's one problem stumbling over their equipment for good reason that as far as we know that no fatalities and no serious injuries Well thank you so much for bringing us up to date with that and the weather forecast obviously we will bring you in detail just before 8 o'clock seems a little bit better than it was yesterday. It's 20 past 7 the Bank of England has signaled it could cut interest rates if the economy continues to slow down Rob Young has the business news this morning yes one measure of interest rate expectations suggests there is a 2 thirds chance of a rate cut before the end of next year the reason 2 members of the Bank of England committee that sets the cost of borrowing voted for cut this week the majority of the committee didn't but the bank has said rates could fall if growth stays weak with us is Martin we'll professor of economics at King's College London and a former member of the bank's Monetary Policy Committee morning morning do you think if you were on the committee this week you'd be voting for rate cuts to you Well I quite honestly I don't know who I mean I can certainly see the case through rate cut members of the committee has shown information that isn't available to everyone else but no I'm quite sure that I would have considered the possibility there's not been a disagreement on the Monetary Policy Committee for a little while Does that suggest that economists really don't know which way the economy is headed Well economists never know which way the economy is headed things are always I'm certain that's the nature of the future you have to make the best judgment that you can and it's not surprising that from time to time different people come to different judgment if things are uncertain is it perhaps not better to act to act quickly just in case well remember the committee does meet 8 times a year so it's not as though it's making a decision now that has to be set in stone for another 12 months or anything like that and of course since the committee's deliberations we've had both major political parties announcing that they intend no to carry out substantially more government spending now that would be likely to add to demand in the economy and probably to weaken the case for a rate cut could it also have an impact on the financial markets and therefore push up the cost of borrowing Well it may well be that in the longer term financial markets though people do. Decide that they want to charge a bit more for lending to the government but remember government borrowing is extremely cheap at the moment long term interest rates are extremely low and of course this is the argument for saying that there should be more government investment than there has been some people long been concerned that a cut in interest rates perhaps would not be all that effective jibbering the next recession because rates have just not got back to anything like a normal level do you think that is a real worry well we don't have the room for cutting interest rates that we had in the past when the bank rate was 5 percent you had quite a long way to go before you got to what's known as the 0 lower bound now of course the rate at 3 quarters of a percent doesn't give the same scope but my view is that other policies like quantity of easing are probably still effective and so we shouldn't think that the bank is short of ammunition so this doesn't necessarily mean that the next downturn could be worse than the last No it doesn't necessarily mean that the next downturns going to be going to be worse than the last Ok not a whale thank you we're hearing from Royal Mail they told the stock market that it is making an application to the High Court today if a planned strike by postal workers in December claiming that irregularities in the ballots would render it unlawful. Thank you it's 723 the best of both worlds is what the Conservatives claim they can deliver when it comes to immigration control today they're promising a new n.h.s. Visa to make it easier to recruit doctors nurses from overseas at the same time they say they'll introduce a new post directed immigration system to curb the numbers coming in overall let's talk about that at an important new report on asylum processing as well to meddle in some cities direction Director of the migration Observatory at the University of Oxford morning to good morning so beginning with that government announced Do you think this new so-called n.h.s. Fees are a effect of a cut to the cost for immigrant workers coming here into the n.h.s. Does that reflect a worry in Whitehall that they're no longer able to get the work is the end it just needs a badly. And I think the key thing about this announcement is to know is it is not a radical departure from the status quo so that the immigration system actually already prioritizes the the n.h.s. But there that's a cap exemption for doctors and nurses were example ness is a great example from the 30000 salary requirement that most workers face so what this announcement does really it kind of makes the process a little bit more attractive to individual applicant a slightly more convenient for them presumably in order to have to facilitate that kind of recruitment that a lot of people are concerned about but I wouldn't say that it was a total game changer for the n.h.s. By any means not a game changer but as it were is a game changer needed in other words all this all means in the figures that you study that the workers who wants really were so vital the n.h.s. Are coming in rather smaller numbers. Well actually the number of non e.u. Doctors and nurses over the last few years has has increased the n.h.s. Is already one of the biggest users of of the work it's a system so one thing you could look at and say Actually things are working for them quite well there are oversee you know some some complaints I do the n.h.s. Employers worry about about the costs not just the applicants face but that of the employers themselves face one sponsoring that is as for example now you at the University of Oxford have produced important court today saying that asylum seekers are having to wait much longer than they used to discover if the claim to live here in the u.k. Is going to be processed and accepted what have you found. We show that there's been a recently significant decline of the last 5 years or so in the share of decisions that sort of an initial decisions for asylum applicants that are made within 6 months now 6 months used to be the government target for when it would make make those decisions and and there's probably no single reason why this happened is probably a number of factors including the the end of a fast track program that. That used to decide cases very quickly but was struck down by the courts in 2015 on the basis that it wasn't given people treat process and other factors like budget constraints that presumably also play a role but the consequence for the kids themselves. Vir are if it goes beyond 6 months. Yes I mean there's there's no there's no optimal length of of an asylum process obviously these are complex decisions and if you're going to make a high quality decision and give people due process then you don't want to rush that but if you have very long periods when people are left left in limbo and haven't yes they're excluded from the labor market there's some evidence that it's not harder for them to integrate after that time is accepted Maryland's option of the University of Oxford thinking it's 26 minutes past 7. And Gary is here with the sport Hi there good morning to you we're following England's cricketers today in the latest t 20 against New Zealand having been put in I think England will have been pretty pleased with their in leagues calls to Milan to sit on the leg side that's going to 6 worry about I learned is gone to $100.00 punches the how to get a hug from Morgan and England went on to make 241 for 3 let's cross to the ground get all the details and the latest on the New Zealand innings Good morning again to Adam and put Hello again Gary Yes New Zealand are 76 for 4 in the 8th over the young Blanc should legspinner Parkinsons taken 2 into to grant home for 7 for 30 of on a hat trick in a few seconds time Gautami 27 Seifert 7 wickets for Tom Curran and the returning Chris Jordan but those fireworks for England's batsman 3 days after bonfire night the highest scoring t 20 is by England to $41.00 for 3 David Milan the fastest 100 by any England player made for just 48 balls he ended up with 103 not out knowing force and 6 sixes He's only the 2nd England player to register a t 20 century Oh in Morgan The captain made 91 from 41 balls sharing an England t 20 record for any wicket of 182 with stuff attached to get it in this must win game for England too 41 for 3 they said he didn't 77 for 4 as we go approach the 9th over and commentary continues for you on 5 Live Sports Extra in the Europa League wins for Manchester United Wolf Celtic and Rangers Greenwood Marty Elam Rushford scored for United who beat partners on Belgrade 3 mil and that takes them through to the last 32 was defeated Bratislava one Millwall Celtic completed an excellent 21 win away to last c.e.o. That takes them to the next stage Rangers' beat Porto 2 nil now really interesting story to reflect on in cycling Dr Richard Freeman who worked for British site. Clinton Team Sky for 6 years will appear again today before a medical hearing in Manchester our sports editor Dan Rowland joins us Dan good morning to you. Good morning down to Gary give us the background if you would on why the hearings taking place this case centers on a mystery delivery of the banned substance testosterone to produce cycling's headquarters in 2011 yesterday as a long awaited tribunals to determine if Freeman is fit to practice finally got underway we heard that the man who let's not forget was the most senior doctor he was the country's most successful sport admitted to 18 of 22 charges including that he tried to cover up ordering a drug that he lied to the you panty Doping Agency about that and he failed to keep proper medical records however his lawyer Mary a rock said that he denied the most explosive allegation of knowing or suspecting that the testosterone was for an athlete to enhance their performance he's expected to claim he was pressured into ordering it by British Cycling spawn head coach Shane Sutton a key witness who will give evidence next week he will deny there any knowledge of the delivery and how are you expecting it to unfold in the coming days will the General Medical Council who are prosecuting Freeman more such help their case today we may also learn to think more about intriguing details that emerged in legal argument yesterday when Iraq said that she'd been approached by people with information against Sutton and that she would try to question his integrity and credibility during this hearing Iraq went on to say that she also written to the m.p. Damian Collins chair of the d.c.m.s. Select committee who last year issued a highly critical report into cycling because she said she'd been told they had received information about Sutton which didn't get published she even said that she may make a Freedom Information request to a national newspaper forcing them to hand over a document relating to the case so lots more to come the tribunals expected to continue Gary until mid December Tyrone thank you leaves me to pass on the racing tips they run it Hexham to 45 number 3 no trumps Warrick 5 minutes to 3 Number 6 Nesterenko Thanks Gary now Philip at stoplights and you know Phillip Paul. Let's take it on b.b.c. One I can teach you to me and he must let me match the mistress speak English I took. To find out this is cool that we are excited by the discovery of his promise to go visit a fish well protected and well funded stop a rescue these 2 whispers that come with this in the wrong hands. Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials continues on Sunday night at 8 on b.b.c. One he's just too excited at the prospect. And to look at the weather cloudy with patchy rain in the south a nice Laci dry and bright elsewhere you are listening to today am Radio 4 with the county and Nate Robinson a 29 minutes to 8 Chris Aldridge has a summary of the news 3 severe flood warnings and more than $115.00 other flood alerts are in place across the north of England following hours of torrential rain which is continuing to fall a major incident has been declared in Sheffield where the river dog has burst its banks the Scottish National Party is launching its election campaign this morning with a pledge to protect the n.h.s. From trade deals with foreign nations including the United States yes N.P.'s leader of Westminster in Blackfoot says they want to bring in a new n.h.s. Protection bill to make sure the health service can't be used as a bargaining chip in any post breaks in negotiations Labor's says it will extend statutory maternity pay from 9 months to a full year if it wins the general election the party also wants to create a new workers Protection Agency with powers to fine employers who fail to report or tackle their gender pay gap so the conservatives have unveiled plans for a new fast track visa for doctors and nurses from overseas who want to work in the n.h.s. Under the scheme the cost of a visa would be harmed. A new study suggests that the Home Office is taking substantially longer to make decisions about asylum applications than it did 5 years ago with 3 quarters of cases still unresolved after 6 months the research by the migration Observatory which is based at Oakford University also highlights the an even distribution of claimants around the u.k. With $150.00 local authorities failing to support any asylum seekers the Home Office admits it's abolished a 6 month target for dealing with applications in general but says it's prioritizing cases with vulnerable people and children instead. A judge in New York has ordered President Trump to pay $2000000.00 in damages for misusing money from his charitable foundation to support his 2016 election campaign the judge ordered that the money be donated to 8 charities to settle a lawsuit brought by the New York attorney general against Mr Trump and 3 of his adult children thank you it is 27 minutes to 8 have the tax and spending plans of the 2 biggest parties running in this election ever been so incompetent that was the question posed yesterday by the man who led the treasury through the financial crisis and the deficit cutting is Lord Macpherson the former permanent secretary at the Treasury he was commenting on what looks to me like a spending Elmes race between Labor and the Tories now is that simply irresponsible vote buying or is it a victory for those you've long been arguing that this is precisely the time the country can afford to borrow cheap and to borrow big we're joined by another former permanent secretary at the Treasury and indeed cabinet secretary to 3 Prime Ministers Blair Brown and Cameron cigars O'Donnell Lord Double I'm sorry he's president of the Council of the Institute of Fiscal Studies and also by Professor Mariana that's a Carter who's director of the Institute for innovation and public purpose at University College London and has in the past advised the Labor Party morning to you both morning I am I should stress I'm speaking in a personal capacity not for the Lord O'Donnell let's let's begin with you then when you see those had to spend spend spend lots of jokes about the magic money tree having been found looking at not the headlines but the details of what the too many want to be chancellor was saying yesterday how worried would you be if you were still back running the Treasury Well there's 2 aspects to this one is the big increases in capital spending but the other side is they both signed up to a version of what we call the golden rule so that's your current spending must be matched. Why taxes so if they don't want to increase taxes then that's going to constrain their current spending so if for example you take education if you want to improve educational outcomes maybe you want to build more schools if you build more schools should be more teachers has more current spending you know perhaps better not to possibly build more schools but to give teachers more resources to help them say increase the well being of children and do things with that you know and have more teacher assistance so the heart of these speeches was a simple idea building things infrastructure good day to day spending so good in a new organ is not really going to snow as simple as that and also I mean when you look at the big capital spending increases you know it's about 50000000000 for Labor 20000000000 for the conservatives. Do we have the capacity you know the civil servants are writing their briefing pads for the incoming ministers for various parties will be thinking well what could you spend this on what's as it were shovel ready when you get good value for money if you rush it this quickly so I think they'll be lots of bottlenecks Professor Master-Card So do you welcome it however as a as a sort of change to Treasury orthodoxy or a challenge to. So 1st of all I mean I think it's curious the language that's being used you talked about spending and actually a lot of this is about investing in the future including you know anything like a green new deal if it involves not just shovel ready projects but actually transforming for example our infrastructure in a green direction and a moment that the entire world is you know going to have to do that it's no longer going to be voluntary businesses themselves will very soon have to comply to different types of environmental targets actually being kind of 1st being able to lead being able to invest in areas which then crowd in business investment all this is good for growth so the real issue is basically what Gus was does Adonal is saying before which is it has to be planned out well it has to be a strategic spend these numbers actually don't mean much Currently we have a low deficit it's less than 2 percent we have one of the lowest debt to g.d.p. None of this really matters what matters is the degree to which you stimulate growth you have a strategy for the country to transform it to invest in all the things like research and development human capital you know schools in the short run these things look like they cost a lot of money in the long run they not only can stimulate growth but they can save you money because educating people costs less than imprisoning. Them hospitably I hear you saying that the numbers don't match much but for the poor old voter who was told in the last election only 2 years ago by the conservatives for example that Labor's plans were reckless plans that they've now doubled by the way it is confusing and the conservatives apparently say well we can now invest your word Other people call it spending and borrowing a pretty much the same amount of money is that Professor buss ago absolutely so it is a u. Turn and it would have been nice to actually began perhaps with an apology given that the austerity has caused you know a real decimation of the social fabric around London. Yes I think so to some extent I mean but but circumstances have changed interest rates are very low it makes sense to invest more that they've been though I would agree there are obviously things like climate change you know I've argued for a long time that we need to spend much more research and development to basically. Ensure that we've got a green energy that can be cheaper than fossil fuels that's that's perfectly possible if we devote the resources to it there are lots of good investments but there are also lots of bad ones just. Give us a window on your world Professor Mexico the only thing your say is that actually people like goes Adonal particularly people like Nick McPherson used to run the Treasury they were the ones used to impose rules on politicians are you Carbo simply spend as much on your rather pleased if those rules are removed. Well the rules have very little historical evidence I mean I'm from Italy which has had a very low deficit but a very high debt to g.d.p. Precisely because they haven't been investing in either the private sector nor the public sector in anything strategic over the last 20 years and it's very important to remember that u.k. Growth has been consumption led not investment led and that consumption has been fueled by private debt so that the ratio of private debt you know you're talking about public debt private debt to disposable income is back at record levels that should be headline news because that's what caused the last financial crisis we really welcome that the b.b.c. Changed the debate start talking about private debt and the quality of public investment I suppose to this kind of war about Spander not spent reporting what they're telling us rather than the sort of the general terms that what else would you load or don't you know she's wearing your other old hat as cabinet secretary this is an extraordinary election many people think we may be heading for another hung parliament there are 2 governments with policy is regarded in historical terms as extraordinary radical break. Of a 0 colleagues in the civil service Well I guess a During the classic scenario planning that we did before the 2010 election. It will be hauled there are lots of different scenarios to play through but that's the job of civil service and impartial permanent civil service which actually will be ready for whoever you the electors turn into Number 10 loaded on a Professor mass account and thanks for joining us it's 90 minutes duration time to look at the papers the news websites and many highlight the comments of to form a Labor M.P.'s you've made outspoken attacks on the Labor leader Colburn in crisis is the headline in The Daily Mail after both in Austin and John Wood Cook said Mr Coleman wasn't fit to be prime minister the Daily Telegraph describes it as an extraordinary intervention and pitches the 2 rebels in front of the billboard which calls Mr Coburn to describe his party and country the paper says the comments laid bad the deep deep. In labor breaks it's an anti semitism and feel continued speculation that other labor moderates could quit the party the Daily Express is spoken to Howard Wilson's press secretary Joe Haynes who also says he won't be voting Labor he tells the paper the political pygmies have destroyed the party he loves the Mira puts the focus on the conservative leader most of it sees as Boris is Britain the papers from Beijing is a frail 88 year old woman who it says spend 6 hours in a hospital trolling he describes her as another victim of heartless Tory cuts the paper's editorial says it's a shocking to trial of the true state's the health service and it blames a Tory administration which the mayor says has starved the n.h.s. Reforms several papers including the some carrier port about the z. Brits guzzling the equivalent of a $108.00 bottles of wine a year the figures from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development say people in the other 35 countries in the group drink just 99 Bottles according to the sun the biggest culprits are people born in the 1950 sixty's and seventy's who share a bottle of wine evident in most nights the Daily Mail says that alcohol consumption in the u.k. Is actually falling all over he sold it more than Australia the Us Spain and Italy the Maira also features an eye catching picture of the 85 year old pop piece an edgy waltz with he's used coal board paint and other materials to transform. Into a world war 2 tank complete with tracks a gun and rockets the paper explains that Mr Wadsworth is raising funds in swaddling kids and. In memory of his father John who was killed in the battle of n.z. And in the 1944 the Telegraph stuck in cheek headline on the story reads tanked up and he sells poppies at gunpoint you have to say yes but. It's 70 minutes to wait you're looking for of course I mean basically prohibited water 0 her father's daughter. She. Was my are depressed and feel sorry my. Best wishes him have got a one on one and your beloved heart will have to sure until I get back at my feet I don't believe my real Christmas. Gurche about and over. That was a clip from Lauren harte a Nigerian film which was entered for the Oscars but has been rejected for containing too much English dialogue not being in a foreign language although he has some Igbo spoken in that clip but since the time of the British Empire English has been one of the most common languages in Nigeria some filmmakers have criticised the decision saying are you barring this country from ever competing from an Oscar in his official language Well let's talk now to Dr a new leak again a senior lecturer at the Pan Atlantic University in Lagos and she specializes in Nigerian films Good morning good morning and thank you very much for having me you're very welcome them very welcome to the studio so what do you think about this debate. Well it's an interesting debate and the 1st thing I'd like to say is that we need to step away from the backlash and look at it objectively in the 1st instance the Academy has a set of rules that makes any entry eligible and in examining that we find that lion hides did not meet one of those rules and sue the Academy acted in accordance with its own moves I mean it would be ridiculous to make rules and then act against your own moves so in the 1st instance that's an objective assessment and the film was disqualified on that count but then the whole debate raises a lot of talk and so many other things on the politics of language to begin with English is the official language in the area and just listening to the clip you played I thought what could be more Nigerian than what I just heard and so I think that the Academy has to take another step back and examine exactly what it means by international Fi Channel and that is a complicated issue isn't it to create sample you could have a film in French from Francophone after being allowed even though that of course is also another language left over from the colonial heritage Oh yes and this is where the Akademi would have to rise to the u.k. Sion and actually rethink some of the moves that it has laid down for for the awards because when they say international or foreign which was the title of the of this particular category before it was changed in April to see at the International Film Festival catch a group they're looking at what's foreign to them as Americans Ok And that's also a no that entirely different conversation that one has to have they claim to be inclusive but I doubt that they are really as inclusive as they purport to be they really need to look at things again because that film is a very Nigerian one thing is spoken in nearly all parts of a country if I as a Soudan that travel to the north the 1st language out speak English. Because we have come thanks a new things to the British legacy to appropriate the English language as our as and I suppose one of the good things coming out of this has been a focus on the Nigerian film and all I know leaving is really an absolutely someone acts to me yesterday so how do Nigerian filmmakers feel about this do you think they are disillusioned discouraged about it and I thought not in the least they are not have this can do spirit in fact they are survivors they're thinking of what next how Next how do we move on it's become a note of publicity for one theory and all over the wall this is being spoken about and I would say to the film director Genevieve Nudgee go home and get your sleep because you've won an award that's larger than the Oscars imagine the debates that are being whipped up right now because of this disqualification I'll take Congratulations to Nigerian film because that's a very interesting way of looking at it and you leak it again a thank you for talking to us thank you now of 13 minutes to end it's time for thought for the day the speaker announced today this morning he's Bishop the Bishop Richard Harris morning to your morning of beginning this election campaign it's healthy to step back a little and asked ourselves a fundamental question What is our basic understanding of a good society behind all the debates about bricks it or particular party policies is there a shared vision of what makes for a good society with the divisions just about means to achieve that end or do we differ in our fundamental ideas. The question of what makes for a good society has a cause for an endless debate it from the time of the great thinkers in Athens in the 1st century before Christ. It was also a question that the poet t.s. Eliot wrestled with all through the difficult 1930 s. a Turning point for him was the signing of the Munich Agreement which allowed Nazi Germany to annex West Czechoslovakia This left him he wrote with a fundamental doubt about the validity of our whole civilization he wondered if it stood for anything more than the maintenance of dividends Well thank goodness the 2nd world war showed that we did stand for something what he wrote about Munich appeared in a book in which he scratched out sketched out his answer to the question which so concerned him although he wrote as a Christian he made it clear that he didn't invade his Christians being in charge indeed he knew that they'd be an imminent minority what he wrote was this it would be a society in which the natural end of man virtue and wellbeing and community is acknowledged for all and the supernatural end beatitude for those who have the eyes to see it this last phrase assumes freedom of religion the most fundamental of already freedoms something which we in this country take for granted but which is still sadly denied to about half the world. He stresses that the good must be for all a goal I hope we'd all share then in line with much modern thinking he stresses not economic growth but wellbeing in community and I like that stress on community we're not isolated individuals what if we're to been taken for granted by the ancient Greeks and our own society at least until $918.00 but it's less in evidence today is the inclusion of that word virtue we think of this in relation to private life but there are special virtues which we look for in those aspiring to public office integrity for example courage to stand up against prejudice of all kinds good judgment truthfulness these are important in private life of course and in business but the quality of our political life absolutely depends on them of course politics is about the art of the possible it's often involves necessary compromises and the selection of facts is almost always slanted in some way but unless we can trust one another and trust our politician to share those virtues so essential to public office the quality of our life together can only 3. That was thought for the day with the Bishop Richard Harris It's now $10.00 to $8.00. Helen McCourt vanished on her way home from work 30 years ago she was 22 a local pub landlord in Sims was convicted of that murder on the basis of d.n.a. Evidence but Helen's body was never found coaching huge distress to her family now her mother 5th Sims may be released from jail before the so-called Helen's law is passed by parliament that would make it a legal requirement for the parole board to take into account the killer's failure to reveal the location of the victim's body Well Mary McCourt Helen's mother gave evidence that in sims parole hearing yesterday she joins us from Seoul for Good Morning Good morning Martha now your search has been going on hasn't it now for 3 decades why is it so important to you. Well it's a it's the most important thing now when a loved one dies that you give them a funeral service that that they would lie and that would help the family forward in their grief now and that they've given them what they would if referred to us of God sendoff I would I want to know that my daughter can rest in peace in our local church where have friends have family can all go along put flowers the child with chatted up the grave I know it sounds silly but it helps people a lot if they've got problems and worries and then go along and talk. And the fact that you've not know where Helen is for all these years I mean it must I magine got more stressful over time it's her it's been her ref at Martha because the last thing that you wanted to know that your loved one has been met dead that's horrific but then to put their bodies somewhere and a horrible grotty place where they know no one would want to go Why how on earth can they treat a human being and life and that's why it was so important she wasn't it to get an Helen's lawyer before Parliament to make sure that the parole board take into account any failure to reveal Legation of the body and that actually it will mean it was 2016 that this was 1st brought before Parliament was not yes it was in the October 26th Jane and and it passed in the Parliament than on the feste day age and unfortunately we couldn't get it to the 2nd stage because trees the May called and they only election so if our and what happened then well once once she was back in and as the prime minister I continued with the petition and you know I had over 300000 names from the from the 15th of December to about the 4th of February of 2016 just a matter of say 8 weeks if the and and so I wasn't going to let it drop and after continued whether my amp economy again has been absolutely amazing and so was David Gore can now Robert Auckland and so all know this this we now have another. Another. Election then I'm hopeful very hopeful that it will still continue and go before I go on to the start to the UK because conservatives don't they have done the petition that made us a law and my my my amp a condom again as a labor on pay so whoever gets a in all across parties in parliament they all voted and such yes Howland's law as very much needed now we can't go into the details of the parole hearing oversee for legal reasons but it's your fear that incentives could be released before that before that lore is passed. It's a big it's a big problem for me and I attend and I just hope that what we've what we've have said must son came with me this time and he writes his statement hours so I'm just hoping that the parole judge others will listen to I know they will listen and I'm just hopeful are known that Helen's law is so close that they may. That they may take that into account and it's not just for us that you've been in touch with other families in the same situation yes there are I believe that we have around 4050 families now who who contact regarding there's a lot of them don't want publicity so I never give anybody's details out but I know one family and and she said she spoke to The Daily Mail Yes did I As regards. Have a mother was murdered and Arnav father was the killer and he has another person who become an before a parole board so we're hoping that this law. Will be dealt with as soon as they've decided on the winner of the election and then we can carry on with her do you think you're ever going to find peace. I'll never find peace until I find talent and once I've been able to fan to Helen at it's only like all normal brief months if somebody dies you can't just put the body somewhere and say well that's the end of us but the family who love that person need to have closure and I hate the word closure Bourse it is a form of closure because you know you've gone all out you call it especially me as a mother that I know where she's Rastan I know she will be at peace and she will be at peace because she knows her family and there for her Mary McCourt thank you so much for talking to us 3 minutes 8 they've been looking at the skies in many parts of the North of England flavors here to those what the weather has in store for them today Nic thank you very much indeed I'm actually looking at the floor of the moment because there are 5 severe flood warnings now 117 flood warnings as well this is a developing situation with regard to the flooding on the ground even though the weather situation is improving across the flood affected areas because that weather front which is sends its influence right across the Yorkshire Lincolnshire down into Darbyshire to the Midlands on to southeast and Wales and indeed into the southwest of England is gradually going to pivot its way into East Anglia in the southeast robbing you of your early sunshine of frost here and you cloud up eventually during the course of the day with your bit and piece of rain it leaves behind in the flood affected area of links adoption Yorkshire wee bit of sunshine famine of cloud and still the odd spot of rain but the issues are with what has fallen what is about to fall the situation with regard to the weather is improving further to the northwest across the northwest of England the Western. Woodlands Wales in the southwest and improving situation here a lot of dry fine weather and some sunshine around a cold day but for 85 to 11 Northern Ireland southern western parts of Scotland dry fine and sunny northern and eastern parts of Scotland sunny spells and showers some wintry over the high ground and it's a cold day throughout across northern Britain $4.00 to $8.00 will cover it and that cold weather has meant that Chris waste has been wearing a woolly bobble hat out on the campaign trail but he's here now to tell us about any questions in the bubble is essential yeah this weekend we find ourselves in a spot where you can see canal boats floating 24 meters in the air we are the deaths of the full Kirk wheel in Scotland as a rotating boatlift that connects the 4th and Clyde in the union canals with a combination of engineering wizardry lots of steel and even more bolts joining us the leader of the Labor party in Scotland Richard lent James Cleverley the chairman of the conservatives Alan Smith of the Scottish National Party and the president of the Liberal Democrats bonus Brinton we're on at 8 o'clock tonight and after the news at 1 o'clock to Mormons time bubble hats on we look forward to that in the next hour on this program was made Phoebe one of bridge react like this. But not exactly right. We will find out the answer to that we'll find out what the government says it's doing to make sure that enough any chest doctors and nurses still come to this country after the immigration system has been changed post bricks it will be talking also but with the natures news about those floods you're hearing in full Avery's weather forecast we'll be hearing from the s.n.p. On the day of their election launch you're listening today on b.b.c. Radio 4 with Nick Robinson and Martha Carney. It's 8 o'clock on Friday the 8th of November the headlines this morning emergency workers have been using boats to rescue people stranded by floods in South Yorkshire off to torrential rain across northern England the s.n.p. Is launching its election campaign this morning with a promise to ensure the n.h.s. Doesn't become a bargaining chip in future trade talks while male is seeking injunction to stop a strike by postal workers claiming there were irregularities in the ballot and the billionaire former marriage New York Michael Bloomberg is considering entering the race to enter to run against Donald Trump in next year's u.s. Presidential elections the news is read by Chris Aldridge at least 115 flood warnings including 5 that warn of a danger to life are in place across northern England after a trench all rain caused chaos on the roads and railways brought parts of South Yorkshire to a standstill in rather a firefighters have been leading a rescue operation from a retail park where around 100 people were trapped until the early hours of this morning a major incident has been declared in Sheffield where one emergency contract to describe conditions is almost biblical from Sheffield tomming who reports. While the rain has finally eased the water levels are still critical in South Yorkshire later today the river Dawn is predicted to peak higher than it did during catastrophic flooding in the county in 2007 some people were forced to spend the night inside Meadowhall shopping center after a major event was cancelled at short notice the staff car park was flooded meaning many had to change their plans or call on relatives to come and collect them in rather of the council told people to stay at home all together again it was the dawn which tore through a town center car park and flooded the railway station shoppers were rescued by boat from a town retail park which was inundated Alex Johnson from South Yorkshire Fire and Rescue Service said it was a complex operation we ended up with about $100.00 people stuck in Maurice and McDonald come back now to rescue another 39 people from there and we've got 3 boat crews out there the moment bring in Thailand elsewhere 35 homes were evacuated as a precaution in Mansfield after a mudslide in the area and in West Yorkshire precautionary flood barriers were put in place and more than Royd significant disruption to roads and train services is expected to continue through the day with commuters urged to plan their journeys and avoid standing water the s.n.p. Will put the health service center stage when it launches its general election campaign in Edinburgh this morning Nicholas sturgeon will lay out plans which the party says that his campaign appears to be fading the 77 year old billionaire has an understand the doing a lot of polling in early voting states like Iowa New Hampshire this isn't the 1st time that he's either run at the presidency only to decide against But in the past he's ruled himself out because he thought Americans wouldn't vote for a billionaire New York businessman that concern no longer applies a judge in New York has ordered President Trump to pay $2000000.00 for Miss. Using money from his charitable foundation to support his 2016 election campaign the judge ordered that the money be donated to 8 charities to settle a lawsuit brought by the New York attorney general against Mr Trump and 3 of his adult children the Donald j. Trump foundation closed down last year following allegations that is served as little more than a checkbook for his personal interests a former national security official has told the b.b.c. That the u.k. Has not done enough to deal with vulnerabilities in its political and electoral system that other countries including Russia could exploit Paddy McGuinness was deputy national security advisor for intelligence until the start of last year our security correspondent Gordon Corera has more if we leave the door open the Russians will push on it that's the message from Paddy McGuinness former deputy national security advisor and a member of the Oxford.