From Voyager 2 which is now nearly 10000000000 miles from Earth can be compared with information from it says to craft Voyager one to increase our knowledge of solar winds b.b.c. News in half an hour from now the 1st in a 3 part series on music and mental health Chris Hawkins examines the life and legacy of the lead singer Scott Hutchison of the group Frightened Rabbit that's in the art of not at half past 11 1st that trigonometry you learned at school how interesting did you find it now on radio for the writer via back to school to find out whether giving teenagers a say in their curriculum might make them more engaged with learning. To write everything. First of all there. Was a more thoughts as expected with. 10 years ago I was in your position hours choosing my subjects thinking about what I wanted to do in future and I ended up leaving school just because I wasn't interested and I was motivated. My name as far as. 25 I'm a writer an editor and I love learning but this wasn't always the case when I had my teenage years I lost interest in school couldn't see the point in it I don't see anyone to chew now at the start of adolescence about a 3rd of 14 year olds report being bored at school and it's a phenomenon that students teachers and parents alike will recognize. This border leads to disengagement which can result in lower achievement of course but worse than that it can mean a life devoid of the joy of learning Luckily for me my curiosity came back and one thing I'm curious to know all about is this so-called educational dip around 1314 I work on the teenage brain Sarah Jane Blakemore is a good place to start She's professor of psychology and cognitive neuroscience at the University of Cambridge and also the teenage brain you could even ask what isn't changing in a adolescence you know you have puberty these huge changes in sex hormones at puberty the resulting physical changes the way we treat young people changes once they look more like handled so they're given more sponsibility more Ptolemy more culpability we become in early adolescence more sophisticated in terms of our ability to make decisions to plan to inhibit in appropriate sponsors to empathize with others understand other people's minds and other people's perspectives the brain is changing massively at this time not only in terms of functioning but they're also huge structural changes going on that makes it a period of transition and also vulnerability but what causes an education age that you know 14 you can only look at what other things are going on at that age and it has been put down to lots of different things like changing from a small school to a big secondary school changes in academic pressure but all that means is they correlate with that education to really know what causes it if the experts don't know why not go straight to the source good day there is a high performing secondary school in the south west of England. Have you found that you have become less interested in learning when you sort of hit your mid teens say around $10.11 Have you found a difference in your interest in the 7 a I was really excited for the school as it's going on not just becoming less interested in learning about graphs and straight line equations and things like that like I'm older and I kind of understand a bit more now about like the bright world if you ask like most of our parents they probably learn quite a lot of the same lessons and the way the world changing I think. We could learn and we could benefit from before we hear what subjects the students did want to learn I had a burden to pick with someone as a teenager I struggled to understand the relevance of what I was learning to me in my life I love history now but school I thought I hated it what was the benefit of learning kings and queens and just who had decided that it was the history of dusty old monarchs that had to fill my brain when he just sees. I have no idea I was 10 years ago in the records but you do a lot of yes there are loads Kenneth Baker the man responsible for the national curriculum which came in under Margaret Thatcher's government in the eighty's the national curriculum has been through a number of changes since then the most recent of which were the much remarks upon reforms by Michael but I was keen to meet the man who started it I started school in 1998 which would have been 10 years after the national curriculum came in voiceless it when I think. There was no national curriculum school decides upon their own curriculum and therefore good schools and good critical and poor schools are portrait looms and so there was a determined effort to try to provide a standard curriculum for children letters of committees did serve in what was a curriculum in English messenger of history it is very difficult to do their real battle if we look at the original 1988 the national curriculum one of the aims is to prepare such people for the opportunities responsibilities and experiences of adult life I remember right here yes there were great debates in the government with Margaret Thatcher and others who wanted a much simpler not so broad base but I want a broad base for those involved in music and cultural subjects and I also introduce a terrible subject to scientific knowledge which is not being phased which I think the big mistake. And so that is why I say what say we just going to youngsters 1314 I think youngsters are going to be prepared much more for the world of life and work well teenager has opinions of ways is involved in the making of the national curriculum why he's speaking to them about what they wanted for that occasion. I think we made some attempts to speech them but I didn't think it was a material matter in it quite frankly I think it was educational system as broad a range of education I could possibly get so I suppose the question is considering that children out of growing up with technology should they have a big part in establishing what that curriculum is yes I have a very good to have taught so you think listening to the views of students here that has an effect on the academic performance in favor of all of that are you going to treat children more mature way I was believe that every child there's a bit of flint and the purpose of education is to find the flame to strike you Mr Spock. So we've got the approval of the father of the national curriculum so I ask the described tools youngsters what they wanted to learn we were going to spark that Flint's by asking them what they wanted to learn and then jolly well letting them learn it. Democracy agency the suspect power what they choose to learn capillary maybe welding string theory the pursuit in the history of feminist start in Japan I couldn't wait to hear their ideas. So we go round and share your ideas what you would the curriculum is going to start on the left I think we should add like sign language because there is a chance in life that you might be and there is a lot of people in the u.k. That death and I think there is room for improvement in how we accept people with disabilities and people here as that is different to us and I think it would be a big step into having a lot of acceptance for disability and people are despite it. And Libby also mentioned climate change why do you think that's important as the creature I think is important because it's something that is to get affect us that personally I don't really see much change happening climate change and stuff as I already have sort of included drug however some things like politics and on are showing including the curriculum or as whatsoever if somebody is trying to get on the housing ladder sometimes why not know which party wants to go and build more houses which one just well I kind of once would like to introduce council housing and so I believe that we should learn about taxes and health by how soon and how to act in an interview because I just think coming. To Koos. Well we leave education more than broad questions Macbeth analyzing poems and things that. I think lead to like me a lot of the extracurricular activities into our school timetable to everyone has to be cycling or any of the extra curricular helps it's might be more like artistic or like about history or anything someone is interested in to just engage them back into the day. I think we should learn about mindfulness and self-love and how to like understand our brain because there's like a lot of lack of confidence in this and how do you see if we are the choice of what we want to do. Are really into football and. Once every 2 days or so on we can just have the last football government enjoy it on I guess is your opinion like your choice of are you one of the cities that make you think that is that you would like more choices in the school days so yeah. Even though the kids picked up pretty different things like mindfulness and sign language which seem completely random on the surface as I started talking more about their ideas it was very clear that what they were saying was we need space in our day to have a break and learn stuff that we're not going to get tested on and stuff that is going to be useful and beneficial for us as people and I suppose what's. Even more interesting is considering that idea How do you turn a fair one parent of the day into the school day to do that in a way that suits all pupils I realize that if I put the kids in charge that everybody seem to learn more as to which is key is a rubric of a journalist and a highly regarded all sorts here in education we thought she might have the answer to how to cater to everyone's different passions She's the author of many shots in education which advocates giving teenagers control over their learning allowing them to see their passions and creativity for 20 percent of the time with help from adults but letting them set the party. From a studio in California she told me what she'd learns about 14 year olds you know when you're before the age of 13 you're willing to do what the system wants follow instructions but I think it's your biological changes and just to change an attitude as a teenager the number one thing teenagers want is independence because they are tired of just following instructions and they want to be able to be in control and the system doesn't work with that the system is even harsher and penalties if you don't follow instructions and then we produce an entire generation of people that follow instructions and then we wonder why are the people you know the workers they don't seem to be very innovative Well why don't we just look at the way we trained them they were trained to be obedient and as I understand it part of fuel price in doing that is the 20 percent rule could you explain what that is right so my suggestion is how about just 20 percent of the time can be called moonshot time it can be called innovation time you can call it whatever you want and in that time students can work on projects that they care about or work on curriculum that they care about and if they want to do something in a textbook that's fine but in fact they should be given the opportunity to do a project about whatever it is they're interested in so if you respect their ideas which sometimes seem a little wacky I'll tell you they'll be pretty happy and they won't experience this dep as an educator then how would you facilitate that within the classroom setting so one of the things we have to do is allow students to move out of the classroom we should facilitate some way in which they can contact other people. While they're quote in the education time period and so I used journalism as a way to teach these skills but you could use math you know you can use science science is all projects that's what science is all about industry is interested in what they're doing and they're interested in them as employees because they have the skills that most employers are looking for they're willing they know how to collaborate and communicate really well they think critically and they're creative and I think that's what most employers are looking for today and they are finding that in students coming out of the traditional program so back at the school we also see it has to take a focus on the various different ideas they had come up with including this option for a student driven independent learning. Or as we called it Choice time I was sure they would go for Choice time and brought some order folks so with every sort of real hope of our. Program we've had some time to think about the justice you gave last time I was like here to have a vote on these subjects now so I'm going to run through what they were we had learning sign language mindfulness and self-love adult life. So that job interview technique learning about finance is things like that we had a change and we had a choice time so having a lesson where you can decide what it is you want to do perhaps actually critical activity or working on a cortex and something that you're really interested in so could you. Just saying Ok clear was a lot about climate change. Is one of change Ok he would pay for adult life. Oh Ok that's life. 1234567891011121314151617 and then the last one choice time you would vote for that 8 of you would vote for Choice time Wow Ok adult life skills taxes mortgages insurance interview techniques not wired expected when we 1st met the class it felt as if they wanted more choice to pursue their passions but when it was put to a vote a huge majority went for this category of adult life skills we made it really clear that they could choose to learn how to file their taxes within the free choice lessons if they wanted to but would also have the freedom to learn how to knit or how to build treehouses but they insisted they just wanted the adult life skills classes so wondering if the teacher had secretly bribed the move we went to a different school still a school with good results but closer to the city center Abby would Community School in north Bristol and here's what they said Fina politics more languages self defense criminology. Life Skills Politics Lost goes on life skills yeah let's get more languages how to handle things I like school. Ok what came out there were a lot this life skills I think about 5 or 6 of you said life skills What do you consider life skills things just don't a lot different from conventional lessons so you don't actually learn how to play or solve inches on a lawyer. Like parts of a few finances and how to apply for jobs just awful. And like how you're supposed to work instead of just doing like a regimen to program could work not like probably cooking on like learning how to take care of yourself like. Others as well center and ask. Them to pay bills like insurance. And this. Trying to look after yourself emotionally but then also not just to take care of yourself but physically like Cook and. Like finance and things like that but also be enough to deal with things like to creep into things like that as well but I'm getting is that you think it's important to prepare for the future why would that be interesting to you as opposed to why would it be useful why would it interest you left school like people will be there to like help you like you have to do everything yourself if you're not about my skills that are like I was this is going to help me in the future I need to learn about this stuff to myself all. Yeah that is really interesting and that's kind of what we've seen I think there's a bit of a generational divide where people are actually in school they're just really keen on learning how to be an I don't. Think of my costume when I was 15 we would have very stupid stuff I mean just any you know anything can everything I think I really wanted to be a pop singer when I was that age and I was famous for class on how it's become a pop singer we probably would have thought of. You know every kind of bizarre and outrageous and not very useful topic under the sun because it would have been fun for us to do that and these kids just didn't even seem to think that that was worth entertaining that they could do something for fun it was we have to be adults and understand what's what because that's what's waiting for us back a good day no school Mr Hill tried to make sense of the classes but I. Wonder if how many of you feel. Bad about the future quite uncertain about it and actually this makes you feel more confident maybe it's the stuff you see in the news maybe it's your experiences from home or stuff that you're saying you know about life that should make you feel a responsibility to engage with your life. If you would you think this is about feeling confident in your future. One of the. So it seems the choice of so-called life skills is about feeling in control feeling confident about the future but the future by its very nature is uncertain adults on sure how to prepare for it let alone 14 year olds. To get an idea of what might be coming through these teens when they are adults we consulted 3 grown ups with crystal balls a future ologist horizon scanner and an expert on the future of what So what we do is that what we try to understand how technology is reshaping in the world of work in terms of the jobs that we think might emerge in the future the type of jobs that we see disappear and what that will be in for the future of growth in income inequality and so docs a call for a is co director of the program on the future of what Oxford University the 1st thing you want to make sure is that the skills you acquire are not things that machines are relatively good at if you want to focus on things and which machines perform poorly and that is complex social interactions creative thinking in originality and I think these type of skills are best thought by having children interact in the classroom by discussing and debating and I think that the curriculum should increasingly reflect that Ok so which jobs are going to go and what he wants might be coming so among the jobs that are likely to disappear with the past drivers taxi drivers cash errors receptionist insurance underwriters telemarketing us so we don't see a lot of people working at call centers for example in terms of the jobs that will emerge so much harder right so if you would have asked your grandparents what they would have thought in you know 1920 are going to be jobs in the year 2000 there were probably not have said software engineers and yoga instructors and so on but I think certain things we do see already so they test become new material of our Asian That is not just you know that people need to learn machine learning skills but actually sort of simple things like understanding the news I mean we're living in air out of fake news where people constantly doubt what experts say and I think people need to be. Able to actually make informed judgments of a truth seeking individual to be able to find out who's actually writing who is perhaps the best arguments so our expert on the future of work would introduce a clause on fake news and creativity we also spoke to Professor Cliff he thinks AI's contribution to the future is overhyped My name's Dave cliff and I'm a professor of computer science at University of Bristol I work in artificial intelligence machine learning and also looking at the kind of societal or social economic effects of technology some way into the future so sometimes that's called horizon scanning. Obviously the temptation for me as someone who works in computer science not to show intelligence is to say oh you should learn to code or you should learn about eye on machine learning and I think those things will be important but I think by the time current teenagers are in their thirty's a lot of that technology will have played out and probably the thing that would be most valuable for them right now would be to become acquainted with the technologies which are going to be as revolutionary in this century as computers were in the last century I mean clearly as a scientist you know the expectation is I say or everyone should study science but there are there's more fundamental things that I think I'm missing. Being a nice citizen. That sounds really motherhood nothing points and. I hope I'm not being too influenced by immediately recent events but if you look at the way in which political discourse has kind of dissolved into really ugly shouting matches I think maybe there's room for educating people in how to analyze an argument and present an argument without without reducing it to a person vitriolic attack 60 grams of weight protein a load of fruit and vege for sausages and sliced bread and a cup of coffee Mark Stevenson is serious about breakfast he is our final Futurist Actually I should buy that again because Futurism is also an argument so if you try just probably better but on a reluctant feature largest. Mark Stevenson is a reluctant futurologist and he believes children have good reason to be worried about the future however he doesn't think the answer is an adult life skills class the future is not going to be Ok let's be very clear about this for 2050 we're looking at vastly climate change world with increasing sea level rise the beginning of feedback effects and that's going to change everything so if there were a subject I would want people to learn it would be a subject I would call systems change and coherent community so how you build. Strong Communities that have their own power to resist the changes that are coming in terms of climate change or adapt to them but also to create solutions from within themselves that are are much closer to the people and much further away from hierarchies that have stratospherically wrong yet I also predict that by 2050 progressive rock we've come back as the preeminent force in culture program besides a class on systems change in coherence communities is not something that came up at the schools but then it's quite a mouthful for 14 year old There's a pervasive narrative that the next generation is stepping up to save the world I was sure climate change would come up but in fact only one child in each school voted to put climate change on the curriculum most of them just wanted to increase their chances of being financially secure and getting a job. Back to School Day No school Mr Hill was preparing to teach the new class on adult life skills and they've been fitting the whiteboard with ideas with the kids help so this is the curriculum that you have built for your adult life skills class we have basic house maintenance recycling cooking cleaning career choice work experience mortgages deposits things like that will say financial advice pensions insurance taxes managing time is another one basic politics for everything policy could I see a show of hands of who would be really sites to come into school to learn this. Yeah with that with that Micky pump comes your lesson. Out of 17 if you the very said that this is what you want on your curriculum none of you actually that excited to do it so I think it's really interesting because that shows that maybe for you the idea of being a successful future kind of outweighs your enjoyment right now is that how you feel . When you put in put your hands up and that resonates for you. So that if I as an interview with a car. So let me just spell this out they were given a choice to introduce a new subject that was supposed to reenergize and reinvigorate their love of learning and rather than choose something exciting and fun they went for a class on the mundane as he is of every day living in order to get a head start out of it they why and the idea of changing the curriculum by didn't expect this to be the change they were off and I really didn't expect concerns about the future to trump the prospects of having fun. It looks to me just a decade older than them that there's a lot of anxiety in the teenage brain of 2019 and the fear of an uncertain future is making and people feel like they have to start preparing now I just hope there's still room for fun when the mikes attend off and School's out by the morning of them pay so you guys voted for I don't buy skills you noted out of 10 different some things and today we're going to start off with financial advice. You know things like how to save how to look after your pensions. The risk that your credit rating it or a credit rating. Of. The 21st century curriculum was presented by the right so and the producer in Bristol was Ellie rich old. With a look ahead to today's You and yours are you struggling to keep up with environmental concerns climate scientists say we need to fly less eat less waste less and have fewer children to stem temperature rises but young people say their parents aren't listening the climate crisis is happening and I don't see him and standing up to protect the lives of me and my sister and I just feel sad and so you struggling to keep up with environmental concerns call 37010444 now or e-mail you and us at b.b.c. Dr 2 ek and join me at quarter past 12 Shadi found you listening to b.b.c. Radio 4 in Parliament sport and society more people are discussing mental health in this new art of no series Radio 4 hears from contemporary musicians about anxiety stress and the pressures of performance in a uniquely competitive industry we know frankly examine the story of an original widely loved artist in the 1st episode of playing well. Fans of the band Frightened Rabbit tend to want to recruit others to the cause they're Vangelis about unforgettable melodies the stock intimately Ric's they almost envy new listeners who get to discover this music for the 1st time but that process now comes with a terrible absence the lead singer Scott Hutchison took his own life in May 28th. I'm Chris Hawkins I'm a d.j. And I've closely watched the unfolding story all frightened rabbit Scott was a unique performer but it strikes me that the language surrounding death such as his is not unique maybe we've become a little numb to phrases like fragile genius The fact is they don't tell us who Scott was here he is at a festival performing a song that touches on difficult subjects of anxiety and depression but it doesn't quite go to plan. He becomes conscious of the dark subject matter because he spoke to the in the crowd. Look. I see this is where I go I'm aware that there's a child in there and this I. Just had a week off and then I was like. I. Life might be good just I but there's a lot of hard times ahead I. I . Know this is fine I. Know. The name of the band reflects Scott's character as a child. This is Grant's Hutcheson brother in the drummer in Frightened Rabbit I met him in a Glasgow pub beyond the cliche of the performer who suffers from a song he named after a nickname that my mom had for him when he was wee So he was shy anxious very optimistic winning competitions for drawing when he was 4 years younger than most of the other day entrants. What do you remember about being kids the one site that probably people don't really know. Is a wind up and he was a grass as well. It's kind of middle brother so I'm the youngest the oldest goes in the middle so he would just go in and kind of you know plant this. And then. Walk off and just watch it. And it worked every time he liked to start things up Was he popular Isco would say he was yeah he was popular he was head boy yeah there you go he was always the star he's funny he's always. His skull with more friendly advice for that. So I was going to break your heart one day I but I I I get like a really weird like I I I wanted to play these funny and idiotic clips of Scott because they flip the narrative that we used to have the downbeat doomed artist whose story could only end one way Scott not suffering for results here he's a big character he's enjoying it and this is the Scott that Grant remembers someone funny fearless in front of a crowd determined with an absolute vision for the music he was going to make even as a teenager you know that love is the law by the c.r.c. Is. The skull and the whole soul of that massive solo the end 11 note I know I'm barred by bar and we just say you get 11 section right and then move on and move on to play that this band that's go. To It was so I got to go to school at school and I started it's. Making music to be . One thing. That I'm not sure many people know of a Scot never sang before and after a rabbit and I had never heard him sick until he sent me that damn it was of the songs I'd done so that was a kind of stepped up and a surprise that must've been a really weird experience than hearing this voice for the 1st time so very strange I mean I drive but at 1st as well I thought I remember message him being like Ok you're going to sing me it's not because I don't think it was good but. It was just such a I was just kind of taken aback and and a little bit I mean was like it wasn't. Good because it is a very it's a very unique voice and you know back then when he 1st recorded them he was still finding. Finding his voice I guess your sense going to cheesiest literally true. They released their 1st album Sing the grace in 2006. The fan base is growing but with the next album gigs began to feel different. When he 1st experienced success the year the mahogany fake came out. So that was 2008 and. Campaign if you can even really call it that because it came it wasn't really planned in that way you start to recognize that actual names of the fifty's and there was one gig specifically. In Edinburgh Queen's hope everyone knew the words to all the song was all I can to describe it with this kind of strange reference point of. John McEnroe describing one of his finals as playing out in slow motion and because he was playing a slow motion it was so easy for him to beat his opponent it was so on point and I was so in tune with Andy Scott and that and it just it just came together still perfectly on that night and the crowd as well you know that was always important to us. Introspection and darkness seemed to be the driving forces of songs on the organ fight so. Things like the molten lead are at 1st listen winded and sat in the lyrics of part as asked whether their continued support is masochism. But the song moves forward from depression to imagine a more balanced sharing relationship to the beauty of normal day to day conversation. When did you start to notice the anxiety. You know I says something that I saw a lot by I. To have him suffer Drummonds I depression. In the same way at all is he dead so. It's always hard for me to. To understand it and to see it as more than just. A bad day or feeling sad or feeling dying and I think it's quite a big problem. Day beyond scar and. It's a wider issue that is quite hard to understand and he did get a kick out of being on stage didn't definitely I mean. Some nights where. He struggled. If you know depending on how you feel and generally he could go on stage and just perform at this physical and metaphorical kind of. Body or of being behind a drum kit having a better protection almost and not being exposed he would stand at the front there's no height in there you know in make and he you know I had to make as well but I wasn't expected to speak you know what is he was and you know and also over the years he had built this there was no character you know I think something that as important as I was he was him on stage you know he didn't have a persona as such but there was something that he somehow managed to switch on almost every time he was a great storyteller good he'd still like to throw the odd grenade and then walk away oh yeah yeah you know it's an occasion where. I would mess up one specific occasion where we were on tour with Death Cab for Cutie you know a few 1000 people in this arena and he made them all believe me. He said We stopped the song and he was a r a k guys that's. Messed up there so I want everyone to believe we're going to start song again so we go I want to be me and I got they did all pantomime of thing where you go lighter and I am here to start again so he really really. Turn around and being used well so yeah I was a great moment granted I'd been joined by Andy Monaghan guitarist in Frightened Rabbit he told me about that touring atmosphere you may have an affair an address and it was certainly not do you want to make this like a group hug like here we go here we go I was just like everyone in their own heads a little bit of chat but nothing to you and James. It's impossible to discuss Scott's music without considering the song floating in the for. The lyrics reference saving suicide for another day of him fully clothed floating away to see . A decade later it was on the southern shore of this stretch of water that Scott's body was eventually found. He'd gone missing days earlier from his hotel room. Band of Bruce from the pub now we're going into the studio which is in a kind of industrial use on the east side of town. Guitarist dandy told me more about being on the road with Scott I could definitely see. Await in some way on Jeter in the early us shoes I'd never met anybody like that who had been so intense emotionally Was there a time when you thought something's not quite right yet completely I mean. Openly spoke to Scott about those feelings I had at that time how did he take that I think. That was nice in I felt distance from him specifically and he wasn't very open with many elements of himself when I brought up but up with him he was definitely unaware of that and he was very and his own space and his own self and the only things which. Even legal looking back in that years after I could only see what was actually going on a team and he was just like. Yes dragon with himself as life do you remember Andy about the gigs getting bigger the fan base growing and particularly in the States we flipped the bell on one of the tears we were on with the band which. Nobody had expected we were ultimately were we were bringing more people who than the band that we were meant to be support and so so at that stage we were like of all this is this is really connected and it was overwhelming for me I guess like at that stage I hadn't been involved and the creation of the music was great to be involved in the rise of the band and that way do you think in the moment you all had a chance to enjoy it yeah I mean there was many many many moments like that were very very enjoyable it was a. Feel on about where all went as well and we were in her twenty's and definitely he had that mentality of this is never going to happen again I'm just going to take take this for 4 hours and enjoyed it in many ways which were excessive. But I don't regret it was it was a great team but it was messy it's got party with you after the show is yeah I mean we are all adults and overindulged to this extent. And it was fun ever is great fun yeah I mean. I don't believe the experience to be able to do that. Was despite the intensity of touring Scott was writing phenomenal songs hysterics are a kind of visceral poetry this song backyard skulls imagines the human bones below the surface of the ground all around us they become a metaphor of mortality of our relationships and of keeping secrets he sings through patio doors my century upon century of skulls untold hushed as suburban adultry and below our homes underneath the lawns we keep white silent skulls a smiling at the hypocrisy. My. Back I guess. The gap between the highs and the lows starts to become bigger the highs are higher essentially it becomes. Much more difficult to cope with not even the lows but just. The normal level of life you know. I think we've all phone and. Very difficult times coming off tour back into our normal life yeah definitely that something. That was was quite noticeable in in Scott be in the singer being the songwriter being the kind of face of the band and the people he m. Being frightened rabbit meant that it never really. And good for him I guess and in the same way that I could come home and go for a pint and yes in Glasgow certain people would know who I was and would recognise me and ask for a picture but I think it's a bit more intense for Scott Yeah I noticed even as we walked from the pub to the studio that you were getting recognised so I guess that was the case times 10 for scope Exactly and that's another thing that I didn't understand you know I can I can I think he liked it as well and I do to bale for me is on a level that's totally manageable when he's not a superstar but in Glasgow he was very useful anyway for recognisable it's almost more the things that people would want to discuss like their effect that he had through his summary in on other people and how they would want to tell him or want to kind of engage with those topics often and it was difficult to get away from that I guess you find out a lot with people who suffer from depression and I and mental health issues that they could become very good at papering over the cracks and keeping it from the people that they love I think it starts in a way to protect themselves and those people. But eventually can can do so much more damage than good. Did he start drinking too much I mean at the at the steps that difficult conversation that because. I think he could probably say all that. You know it's it's part of his part of the lifestyle it's part of being in a band it really is you know and it's knowing I guess knowing when to to when it's appropriate and when it's not appropriate it's definitely something and it didn't help with Scott specifically the fact that you're sort of ended by how close from from the very beginning as early you know. And yet you know it was something that I think's certainly had that bad relationship with alcohol you know it was something that it wasn't a severe alcoholic and I mean or even an alcoholic but. It was something that he I guess more so than the rest of us used as a way to cope. Or my. Lab or. I were. All. Police have confirmed that a body found at Port Edgar on the Firth of Forth is that of Scott Hutchison the lead singer of the Scottish indie band Frightened Rabbit he was reported missing on Wednesday his family have described him as a wonderful son brother uncle and friend one tributes have been paid by fans and fellow musicians in the media aftermath of Scott's death it is kind of a blur to me now you know it is soft doesn't feel feel real and almost the the. For the 1st year really fall feels like it or something. When I think back it still feels like a film I was watching for something you know a source of real and conversations I never thought I would have and responsibilities that felt to me in the family that we never thought we would need to to deal with and it is strange and it was this public nature of it was something I had maybe more of a. An understanding of late have certainly had the experience of my family had a slow somethin was quite difficult and new for all of them. With one last thing thing. About you that tell you most the. Best this sense of. Support and community that. I think has always been there and right now at. The moment just exploded. In a kind of very respectful way you know the whole. Media fans and police and everyone you know it was something. That was it was a law support nor the law of love there and in the media after something the hifi to come for in and maybe maybe read a few too many stories in weird wave. People stories they had to Scott I didn't know about. The experiences that people had had that he maybe thought were you know smaller and consequential but actually had had a huge impact on someone's life. The nature of many of his songs fed a simple tortured artist narrative but that's a misleading picture of who Scott was after writing floating in the 4th there were upbeat songs whole other albums and many years of playing it live Scott even told the journalist Josh Madell It's heartening to know that I've been through that and I'm stood there performing that song alive and feeling good about it I think it's a mistake to view Scott's musical legacy is bleak in that very song Scott sings of taking your life giving it a shake what began incredibly darkly becomes a metaphor about improving your life Grant said this was a common feature of all the songs the way that Scott would drag would be like you know this this very dark story and then all of a sudden to be like but you know what could be worse or you know it's not that bad I hope right now that's music and Scott's legs going forward are not always attached to Scott's death or Scott's struggles when he was alive because that shouldn't define. He was or what the band was or what the songs are what they mean to people he said sometimes he asked too many questions of a song do you think he meant by that well solve a are they going to get your own meaning from it you soon as you write a song release it it's not yours anymore so yeah you might want to hear what Scott meant and why he wrote. What was probably more important is what it means to you in the us something we've heard from so many of the fans is that pick up are musically or lyrically sung elegant you know it's it's what you take from that song or that song means to you that the most important part he was those lanes he definitely. I had been in those spaces he didn't exist in the mall with time but he definitely had been there. And wanted to expand express those places to other people my 1st song. When I suppose favorite songs was probably the oil slick. Right. Well after suit. You listen to that kind of far stuff and soft feel safe like morning about how terrible the past me as. My. Dislike got to the toxic. Sleep causing me. To know that to the last vocalizing and post boys at those shows there is light as a tunnel to cold through. You still go hope so I think that sort of as I. Am. A mother. Making this program fans of Frightened Rabbit told us that they consider Scott's music to be wholly uplifting the meaning they take from it is that living happily is about treating your life however difficult as a work in progress to him this to the possibility of change I. Scott Hutchison's life was unique Santhi his death wasn't his was one of 6000 suicides spread just that by corners in the u.k. In 2018. It's worth remembering that the most important things Scott leaves behind isn't an artistic debate or a musical legacy it's a family meal my brothers got kids in and 93 years old and as they grew up you know I think what something that. I feel very lucky to have is the music the videos they can all watch and they can all they can still grow up with him as part of their life. And that's not something that everyone gets if they're in this situation. And can't wait to tell my kids one day about the life that their uncle and their dad had together for 3040 years for me you know the things that we spent together in the band and showing them the songs in the videos and you know I suppose going to be a very special thing and heartbreaking but but you know it's something positive I have to hold on to ground Hutcheson ending that episode of playing well in art of now it was presented by Chris Hawkins and produced by Kevin core details of organizations offering information and support with mental health are available at b.b.c. Dot co dot u.k. 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