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Radio on the internet unfortunately the current programme on this station is unavailable this is either due to contractual reasons or temporary technical fault please try again later I checked out his toes were embalmed I checked out they hadn't removed this corneas I checked that he didn't have a scar down the front of his chest I mean it was really ridiculous what I did he got a full and complete M.O.T.D. That before he went in the ground nobody was ever you know but judging by He'd probably a very funny. Deval Can I ask you Do you think it's. Easier to confront you believe there's life after death is the only that we know you know secular people don't believe there's life after death do you think people with faith find it easier to confront that I don't I don't know whether that's true or not I think people confronted in entirely different ways those our faith in some regards can look forward to it because of what is coming but there are also those a faith that still fear it there are those who have no faith that think you know the light switch is going to go off it's a simple as that so what's to be afraid of or what if there is something beyond it and you have people who have a non-religious but a spiritual feeling that equally are worried about it it will go right or it will go wrong does the crossing over to the other side happen the way it should arrive I going to be stuck in torment forever I think right the way across the piece people are comfortable with it are hugely uncomfortable with it and afraid of it and the whole spectrum in between but by and large we don't talk about not and we don't we should start to talk about it and we're going to talk about the other side of Mark and need to a little bit later on but let's turn to let's turn to the medieval body just cannot you are very very cross I gather from your book about the way we discussed the word even the word make evil these days you know I mean it's not it's not so much an anger as a kind of I guess surprise it's something that I'm so familiar with in my work but I think the way that we look upon what is a huge span of time a huge amount of really rich important culture culture in all sorts of shapes and sizes has informed our own lives in a number of different ways from the kind of work that that suit us all the way through to actually the kind of things that kitten mark or so do creatively that I feel I just use it in a derogative Well that's that's a bit maybe you know a lot there's something in the terminology the Middle Ages in. Defined itself by something that isn't it's not it's not classical antiquity and it's not the revival of classical antiquity it's a kind of liminal space and I mean in a way I'm completely fine with it and this is so much great in a comedy that comes from the Middle Ages from Blackadder to kind of Monty Python but that I think has started to inform our impression of how life really was everything was bleak everything was ignorant yes just going to ghastly period before proper civilization got going that's the impression I mean so this was really brought home to me by a colleague who used to work at the Victorian Albert Museum and they did some renovations to their mediæval and Renascence galleries and before they did they did some visitor research people just in the galleries and they asked them what they thought of when they heard the word relaxants and responses were going to typically bounteous it was Italy Michelangelo it was always sunny yet it was always sunny it was like a sort of odd but 1st of posh orange juice it was kind of just wonderful time and when they heard about you know when you asked them to respond about the idea of the medieval or the Middle Ages predictably people would think it's dark matter and rain Yeah it starts to rain mud came up a lot heart's death you know it's hugely definitive in the Middle Ages but interestingly you know another thing that came up time and time again was potatoes which of course as you know is a keen did it or even of this festival is you know they're there at the end of an American kind of native to America and something that wasn't grown reliably and you're probably a medieval person a lot longer of the chance to Norman. Which is why I was so down on the course Yeah Jack your body your your book is called medieval bodies and you focus on the body bit by bit if you want heads and bones and blood and heart and all the rest of it yeah the many evil period had a very complicated idea of the body based on the humors maybe we think it's wrong but it was highly sophisticated Not stupid just tell us a little bit about the system of the humors you know well this is an idea that inherited from classical antics. In writings for throughout and to pretty in the Middle Ages really takes up this idea that the body is far less closed off we think of the body today often as a really closed and can find a metric circuit but when you're dealing with a moment in history where say the circulator system isn't fully understood the idea that blood comes out from the heart around the body and returns instead a kind of just to take that example the medieval body is thought of as having blood pumped out from the heart just in one direction outwards a kind of nourishes the rest of the body and the skin likewise is thought of as far more permeable is actually a body that's really in consonance with the world around it and if following classical natural philosophy the world is made up of a series of base elements and so is the body you can imagine how the body suddenly starts to be put into dialogue not just with kind of and remedies that might be for medicine but also the stars the cosmos the earth itself so the earth itself is composed of water earth and air and yes absolutely the body itself mimics those for you in different combination different combination wet and absolutely yeah on humans these 4 humoral elements are thought of as these viscous agents that circulate and animate and move around the body and that must be kept in balance balance is a really big thing in medieval medicine and actually that's not that dissimilar to how we think about our body and when we ill we feel a bit like kind of off kilter that we have been knocked off balance and in some way and given that there isn't this kind of extremely you know the kind of work that suit us extremely sophisticated intense and atomic all knowledge of a kind of on the microscopic level of how the body functions I think that she's quite logical way of what I was going to suggest now that we know from microbiologist just how much of the human body is composed of bacteria which is not it outside the human body and return in and out actually the body is more poorest in modern medicine perhaps than we thought in the 20th century but in conception I think I would say slightly it's slow. Different We get quite uncomfortable if we were to think that we were somehow being influenced by the planets or that our that there was a kind of leakage between ourselves and us around Jack there's so many specific things in this book I'd love to talk about but one that really grabbed us all I think was the hearts of all that familiar symbol of the heart yeah where that comes from because it doesn't start off actually is a picture of the heart of thought and good doesn't look at me like that I know and it's a really murky it's a great example of actually we're not entirely sure affectively when this symbol that kind of hot coffee is talking on the radio it's kind of hard you know you see on a playing card for example it seems to be something actually that playing cards might have been really Integra kind of circulating the relationship or kind of informing and enforcing the relationship between the heart and this kind of bi cameral shape but actually you know that's right towards the end of the middle ages it seems to in the 15th century in the advent of printing seems to be something that sort of came about actually in the middle ages especially kind of early and I'm talking here largely about the European Middle Ages it's not really fixed in that way the hartis is expressed in and visualizing all sorts of drawings and paintings where the heart is a pair all looks like a little salute in the lobby a kind of upside down pair you have other kind of 13th century and atomic all treaties which are based not on the kind of kind of fierce observation but on a kind of received ancient knowledge which describe all sorts of aspects of the heart in quite intimate detail but but not like that of emoji in shape and you were talking earlier on about the effect that the Middle Ages still has almost today and in terms of our language heartfelt you know the use of the word heart from the Middle Age ages mind the heart was the source of a lot of identity and what was most fundamental particularly religious senses Absolutely it's thought depending on which kind of classical authors medieval writers follow but it's thought that the heart is very much the house of the soul and as a result is the kind of emanate. You know what's on the site of not just emotion but also movement activity best tiara tell us about of a skier so so this is a really interesting and seems extremely unusual case for a very early 14th century Abas in Malta Falcon Italy Chiara who died and as she died on her deathbed she proclaimed that CRE felt Christ in her heart and partly because it's just at the moment at the beginning of the 14th century when human dissection is becoming more starting to become something that's interesting or kind of seemed important in medical practice until that point people are very happy to return to ancient or Thora to tive text so there's this atmosphere of what's going on inside and exactly a kind of interest in this case a spiritual interest because after Q.R.S. Death in the process of her embalming her fellow nuns decide to almost take her word and open up her heart and inside what they find a kind of miraculously formed out of very kind of visceral image of the crucified Christ the objects of the passion and it's seen as this kind of amazing miracle that literally realized inside the house of Cura soul is this kind of amazing anatomical religious combination Sue Black was making the point that we industrialize will push death to one side of course in the medieval world death was all around you saw people die you would see dead bodies much more often and there's the case of the extraordinary statue of Alice George or the memorial to Alice George which I think tells quite a lot about the difference in their attitude to death and ours Yeah there certainly I would say it's a far healthier actually response just the kind of response a kind of a living and have any of the happiness to live with death that I'm really to is suggesting we should all take on Alice Joss's tomb She's the granddaughter of the daughter of Geoffrey Chaucer Yeah and she she's a really fascinating woman Mary. 3 times her husbands each of the higher social rank each one dies before her one of her husband's demands that she's buried with him in the same tomb and she says I'm having none of that she built herself this wonderful kind of church in. In Oxfordshire and just to the side of the altar this enormous tomb to celebrate her life and what it does that she really interesting Lee is medieval objects associated with death often find they're happy with unresolved questions so atop her tomb is this beautiful extremely large life size alabaster image of an idealized Alice but below it just through a grill you can just about make out lying on the floor of the church within the tomb setting is an image of Alice's corpse in Maiti ated kind of with the almost the skeleton unmistakably dead and that this is class I think a classic kind of approach of the Middle Ages they don't seem necessarily a contradiction between those 2 states a kind of idealized heavenly in a Christian context lease a kind of heavenly body and the kind of rule realities of what people look like when they when they die Subra the sale yes is my absolute not or hero in life because everything in anatomy that occurred before him was previous alien and if you're talking about is pretty the same way in and in an anatomical terms nothing existed that people relied on in modern day from that time but by saying this couldn't have been the 1st people must have been desexed when was for Syria 15 the 15th 16th century extension here you know 61540 who was distracting how were they learned why were they not going into the human body to see what it really looked like Well I think there are a lot of quite complicated reasons and for a long time historians I think suggested that simply there was just too much of a taboo over it that people just didn't want to do it because it contravenes various religious ideas. Of continuity and actually I think now we have a far more subtle understanding of actually the paradigm for understanding science was a textural one that people are interested in these longstanding classical texts going back to hypocrisy and if you have a set up that whether that actually is the important thing looking inside the body would completely contravene this received wisdom and actually then become scholastically quite dangerous and in some ways unnecessary but it is quite different from our allies we're talking about death we're also talking about bereavement and how we feel about those who have gone to get Deval your novel The trick to time is really a novel about bereavement we don't want to go through the whole story but can you just give us the essence of the story that there is a family in which something is often Yes So the story's about Mona who when we meet her in the book is 60 and has suffered the loss of a child when she was a very young woman but she also suffered the loss of her father when she was a child and her mother when she was a very very young child and the book really explores the approach that she takes to this very moment and also how she helps other women in their bereavement or other women who have lost children well in the medieval context of course there's a lot of use of images to represent death represent the who have gone and similarly in your book I don't give the whole thing way but Mona is a great creator of dolls Yes So she makes dolls for a living and these are not the spooky dolls that we see in horror films because I'm not keen on those either these abusive full wooden hung crafted books dolls that she also dresses from secondhand garment she she makes beautiful clothes for them and people collect these in the real world yes they are not exact but they're more heirlooms than you know he things sits on the bed. And she also has many as an AIDS to sort of therapy for bereaved I mean. Wooden babies and they're not exactly baby shower. They baby waited. The exact weight of the last child the exact weight of the last child which she was using the dolls helps women overcome the trauma of stillbirth or birth and the mysterious Carpenter who is making way on the beach to a bit sort of grime see on the on the fact that. It's also of course the North exploration social context in the in the wake of the bombings in Birmingham the 1970 S. Yes the Irish community in Burma which you were to come here has a really hard time there but he's also unable to grieve for their own yes absolutely the noise of the pub bombings which was in their vendor 1974 I wanted to explore what it was like to be Irish at that time but also all the ordinary traumas that were taking place that noise of that against the backdrop of this horrendous event and Mona herself suffers on that night but also across the whole city which I remember very well. Lots of people dying which was absolutely terrible but the aftermath of that was that the Irish community had a very difficult time in Birmingham and elsewhere because they were perceived as being in sympathy with terrorists and this book also uses a lot of thinking about fostering and adoption which comes from your own life as well because your mother was a foster mother I think she was a foster mother and I used to work in adoption and fostering and again if talking about loss I mean people lose babies clearly but also lots of mothers lose children to adoption birth mothers they they feel less and they speak about losing children in adoption fostering sense and also for those women that trauma feels exactly as though they've lost a child a child they may never see again if it's adopted deed and you call the novel a trip to time what is. Trick Well it stems from a phrase that Mona's father said to her she as a little child is supposed to be sitting with her mother who's dying and instead she goes and plays on the beach and her father comes and finds her and she's on the beach and says to her while when you stay is talking to your mother and spending time with her and the little girl 5 or 6 says you know pretty boring and the father says there is a trick to time you will want these days back you'll want these minutes back you'll want these hours back when you're older spend time with her when you're older you can cherish you can relive these moments as you get older and that's the trick to really very precious moments and suck in the juice of the really really important moments of making it stabs a lot at a time Absolutely and what extent you think this is not about courage I do think it's I think it's a novel about resilience days that lightly because I don't believe that you know everything everything bad that happens to us makes us resilient sometimes we just cope badly sometimes but it's a way of finding some think through the grief a way of coping with the grief and finding our own mechanisms to deal with today some people as we spoke about have faith and some people don't have faith but they find a way to understand death and understand grief and work through it in Mona has a very particular way of doing that but she looks unflinchingly and open on the reality of what she's been through Absolutely it's a very very beautiful novel The real. Inverse Yeah one of the things I just hearing the story that you're talking about is so interesting that so much of our relationship with death is about projection I mean I'm just talking about dolls that incur I mean votive offerings as a kind of a big thing in the Middle Ages when people might go to a saint shrine and leave a candle that is the same weight as the body of a person for whom they wish so that's. The deceased or perhaps someone who they wish to kind of be well in the future is currently Ellen not able to make the pilgrimage so there's a there's a projection I mean I feel a bit like that's a lot kind of a lot of what your characters are trying to do is to project this kind of future life for completely Yes by using something Mona how those mothers to relieve Well not really have to live for the 1st time in the life they would have had and it's a clever way of accepting death while appearing not to accept it appearing to dismiss it completely and pretend it never happened the trick to time it's a lovely novel The trick of my time is not to run I'm to get the conversation going to turn directly to Mark Antony Turnage because your novel Coraline is also more your opera which is great on a short story of course you know Vela by new game and I know. It's also about resilience and a young girl's courage it is just give us the essence of the plot not the whole thing but yes and I well it's just about a little girl who's moved into a new house and she's basically sort of bored but she's so exploring the house and then she discovers another house and. It's I don't give too much away for sport but she but he involves spooky dog does it doesn't always work dolls but it also involves. So courage really is she's quite a tough character and I've got something that really attracted me to the story in the 1st place that she was somebody special at 7 year old daughter myself it's something you know that I've never really of martyr so I sort of you know just wanted to try her on or singing on stage what I loved about it is that her parents love their parents but they're also deeply deeply irritating and annoying and you know all kids feel that about here and yet you have to go through that and just about that's right she goes through a journey in the other end comes out the other end and she sees all that plus a. Is of that so it's quite it's is a really sort of amazing story insofar It's a funny story as well as a very moving one you know and your music a let me talk a little bit about your musical style B.S. People think that an opera which is partly for I would guess younger members the audience as well you might make it pretty fied easy compromising you don't do that well it's the I don't know it's this is a big debate really because I 5 I think is pretty sort of easy for that's because I wrote it and the thing is that I think it's a spooky story so I just didn't think I could write it in a sort of very traditional way because it has elements of that which is sort of dark and I so I sort of didn't skate over that I actually wrote a piece that that was it was not my normal style in a sense I didn't sort of dumb dumb it down to say you know I'm thinking all kids are going to watch this is all going to be any flat major Well let's hear a little bit of your normal style not from this awkward he hasn't been recorded yet but this is something you wrote Blood on the floor which is an elegy if your brother and it's named after a painting by Francis Bacon It's just here the 1st 30 seconds or so. So so there is the turn age son year now not scary is that in the old. I mean this is after all the floors Francis Bacon Elegies I mean I see everything written about death is Iraq a lot of elegies and it's part of you know life that you can die friends and my brother died of is to burn and so so it's quite interesting talking about about Memorial and about how people how and one way I cope with with loss is to write pieces often. My piece is in response to your family's death because it gets me over the grieving period as well so it's it's I think with music music very direct in the sense it's can be very sentimental in that way but also I think that part of the problem is talking about music has a bit of a blame because it sort of sits sometimes sentimentalize is this is the idea it also struck me that opera and fiction for young adults or children bear a lot in common in the sense they both rely on very very highly colored vivid almost characters your figures strong moral stories they have to be a very strong moral point to it and you sense they go quite well together and Humperdinck and Rob there was a lot of people who use children's stories as a subject oper is true but it's surprising how few composers written for it I mean I mean other than Benjamin Britten there's a lot I mean I'm not writing that there are no children performing in this opera it's adults portraying children but the same time there's there it's hard it's hard to do in because you know I mean what we've got to schools massively on Tuesday the role opera and Prince and find all these of these people performing on and that's going to be a test because you know if there are all of them where we've got it really we. Have to. Really fascinating watching you rehearse that you're sitting there you're listening to me no it doesn't work I'll tell you that bit I had no idea that sort of relatively late in the process you're still if you were holding over the text or you know the music and making changes because I think it's a mistake because the thing is you want things to work on stage you want things you know I've had to add seeing changing music of at bars here bars there of course you can't do that I mean the Cine can you know if you've got to change if you can't do that yet so at least I'm around to do it yeah so they say great advantage sometimes maybe too much advantage but you know in the sense that I'm always there trying to make it better and that's what you know and I mean you know that for editing book you know when you're writing or under one of my exam process to some extent also is doing performance and during the very late rehearsal cut the last 3 bars of the opera the other day just on the go on. It didn't work. It didn't strike me it did strike me also that kids coming in to see an opera relatively young people anyway don't have all the baggage they don't expect it to sound like Mozart there is expected some like Wagner So in a sense the more open minded to modern music Well I think that's proved I've done a lot of education work in the past any of be surprised as you get to certain age maybe mid teens where you start to get more prejudice about music but when you're younger you accept things you know stars and things you know being tricky and so I you know I think hopefully Well we'll see I mean the jury's out really I mean of on all of it but I hope that they're taken along with the story stories marvelous one direction or so I think that will draw people in the north of the action of the Collins who's done a wonderful job you know the people involved I think you know that the enthusiasm of it will come across a very very clever set as well you know as what's right since we're talking about guess I must ask you about death in operate generally because there's that famous phrase it's not over till the fat lady sings and you want the fat lady sings has sung not something bad is going to happen to her operatic deaths are famously wild sensational and unlike real deaths and I think when they don't happen in certain operas those operas don't really work I think people expecting it something that they want to death and I mean it's just have a death by terms for daily and I think there's a great opera I think that puts people well I think you leave it at the moment you know you need to 20 minutes of their dying person lying with no air in their lungs but nonetheless singing singing the life out of well 3000 absolute of course with no Death think or she does know you know the course of hours it absolutely is as I say it's what it's all about about courage Let's let's bring in bring in the rest of the last year Sue block but I was going to ask you about something to do with extension and death because the new book also out by a nurse who works in the final stage of life and she makes the case that actually we're all frightened of death we're all friends of those last few rotten death row . The last we are last aria as it were but actually for most people it is a very very peaceful and gentle period of the large It certainly can be I experience my my father's death to his his last breath and it was almost just a shutting down process it was incredibly calm and it was incredibly peaceful and the death rattle is just simply the fact that the lungs fill up with fluid and you just get that last sort of gurgling of air through that and at that point then just stop it so it can be very simple doesn't have to be the great operatic death it can actually go out with just such palliative nurse said it was very very reassuring I have to say big difference I suppose in the portrayal of death in opera where you have to have a human voice and therefore you have to deal with the final moments and orchestral music yeah I think also it's something very wrong about the music very sort of directs in that sense and I think that's why I think. People funerals in the music they choose it's I remember once a friend's funeral or a couple years ago and chose all the support all the music I really love and find really emotional soldiers weeping the whole time because not because of my friend but also the music really struck a chord and when I found very emotional So I think that has a sort of that's the in operate sort of has this direct sort of gives you know something very direct about it very raw or that this goes back all the way in medieval times you know the masses are really really important not of somebody obviously a wealthier person because not everybody could afford a mass Yeah you go to God with music around you in the Christian tradition Absolutely and certainly what's interesting is this idea I mean whether it's music or whether it's kind of a close sort of familial overseeing of death one of the most important things I think for people in the especially in the later European Middle Ages is framing the death of the idea that you have a good death which is one that is spiritually and personally managed and not suffer . And unexpected without time to set your affairs in order so there's definitely a sense that that it can be done well and it can be done badly but it's all about the framing just like you're saying with with these operas that he can be dramatic but it still frames from that night and get I was going to ask you Can we talk about adoption and fostering and of course in many cases these are children who have had to come to terms early in their lives with death how do they help what's the process there are actually very few the options that arose as a result of a bereavement in the family they're much more likely to do with family breakdown but the question I wanted to ask suit was about see you talked about the. The way that we deal with death in this country but actually in some communities they still have the body in hives the Irish community the African Caribbean community they still have the body in the House they still experience the source of you know older laid out legs are laid out of address tapestry and cultures wonderful and well listen thank you to all of us out weaving in everyone not too much gloomy thoughts too to reflect on as we head up to establish been a very interesting thanks to all my guests good devolves excellent the trick to time is out later this week Sue Black's all that remains a life in death and Jack Hartnell's medieval bodies life death an art in the Middle Ages a birth out in April wait for those and Coraline with music by Mark Antony turn each runs at the Barbican in London from the 29th of March next week you got all Rajan on singing nuns under religious albatross apparently but for now thank you and goodbye. Start the week was presented by Andrew Marr and produced by sound and if you'd like more information on today's program including the download you can visit the Stop the week page of the Radio 4 website in 1972 Ugandan Asians were banished from their homeland by the dictator I mean I was one of them on B.B.C. Radio 4 Yasmin Alibhai Brown would turns to Uganda the country where she was born there are many unspoken truths I'm afraid the Indian community has buried its head in the sand a big percentage of us was exterminated the Ugandan indigenous Ugandans suffered far far more than the Asians who were removed from this country. That means Uganda Rito this evening at 8. Well now on B.B.C. Radio 4 longwave and D. A.B. Digital radio it's time for this morning's Daily Service which is led by Bishop Joe Bailey wells. Was the air is. The. Dirtiest player in the world was the over the. Air and the. Good morning it's the most important week in the churches year every day is filled with events that are pregnant with significance even if the people involved didn't realize all that they meant at the time as we relive Holy Week again we put ourselves into the shoes seeking that these events might shape us and ought to Siple ship as we follow the one who is both hallowed and crucified was. Was. A are. Told. Was the. Was. The opening day sees Jesus approaching Jerusalem in the midst of huge crowds there making pilgrimage for the annual festival of Passover that's where Israel recalls its foundational story of salvation how God called Moses to lead the Hebrew slaves out of Egypt how each family slaughtered and shared a pass Eva Lamb how they escaped their persecutors across the Red Sea how they discovered what freedom might mean on their way to the promised land so the crowds are full of memory and joy nothing is impossible with God The Hebrew Psalter has some special Psalms for the ascent into Jerusalem and the crowd would be singing them in response to the wonders God performs full effect a 1000 joy at their King of Glory Here's a song adapted from that Hebrew language of praise. Game. Almighty caught his most Isaan when not up to joy but 1st he suffered pain and entered not into glory before he was crucified Mercifully grant that we walking in the way of the Cross may find it none other than the way of life and peace through Jesus Christ on to it amen. Let's listen to the details of Jesus's entry into Jerusalem what happens is some impromptu street theater full of symbolic acts and where Jesus is both direct and main act Mark's Gospel chapter 11. When they were approaching Jerusalem at Bethpage and Bethany near the Mount of Olives Jesus sent 2 of his disciples and said to them go into the village ahead of you and immediately as you enter it you will find tied a colt that has never been ridden untie it and bring it if anyone says to you why are you doing this just say this the Lord needs it and will send it back here immediately they went away and found a colt tied nerd or out sign in the street I was there and tying it some of the bystanders said to them what are you doing on time the colt they told them what Jesus had said and they allowed them to take it then they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their cloaks on it and he sat on it many people spread their cloaks on the road and others spread leafy branches that they're caught in the fields then those who went ahead and those who followed were shouting Hasanah Blessitt is the one he comes in the name of the Lord bless it is the coming kingdom of ancestor David Hosanna in the highest heaven this is the only time in all the gospels that Jesus elevates himself above the crowd with careful instructions Jesus asks 2 disciples to go ahead and make arrangements for a procession into town from the Mount of Olives according to the Old Testament prophet Zechariah the Mount of Olives is associated with the apocalypse where God goes into final battle against the nations it raises expectations of a military conquest that will be definitive that's what many people expected of the Messiah that he'd come mantid on a war horse with sword in hand defiantly destroying the opposition liberating Jerusalem and being hailed as a conquering hero restoring Israel's prominence from sea to sea. But instead of a great big stallion Jesus on asks very specifically for a young colt he perches on a donkey and rides meet Lee into town the contrast could scarcely be clearer Jesus is not launching a military campaign he's not flaunting his armies or weapons in a display of physical might he comes empty handed and in peace mounted on a US hardly an impressive procession Unless of course you're impressed by its gentleness. Do you think the crowds get it here's the irony they've been so fixated on a conquering hero for so long that anything which bears an echo of their longing brings them to break out in rapturous chant their desperate and they want him to fulfill their political dreams restoring the nation to independence and prominence you could say they've been radicalized the crowds are so eager for the new sheriff for a takeover that they treat Jesus just like they did the Jewish McCabe's a couple of 100 years earlier even if they're shouting might have become this praise as a confident statement of faith there's a danger it quickly became a political rallying cry there the words we call the Benedictus bless it is he who comes in the name of the Lord Hosanna in the highest. That echoed here in a setting by cold Ching kins from the OEM demand as a kind of lament that turns politics into peace. God of mercy we cry to you for peace in a world where there is war. Where race is a prest where a territory is occupied where a faith group is persecuted wherever people are fighting we pray that weapons of war may be transformed into instruments of peace as you ride in on a donkey. And power with your blessing those who come in the name of the word. God of safety we cry to you for gentleness in a world where there is violence where women are abused where children are at risk where workers are and slaved wherever any one is one ripple we pray that fear may be transformed by hope under the protection of your wings empowered with your blessing those who come in the name of the Lord. God of grace we cry to you for healing in a world where there is disease. Where illness seems irresolvable weapon is unmanageable wherever there is suffering we ask you to attend with the eyes of love and empower with your blessing those who come in the name of the new hot. And walking the way of the cross let us pray with confidence as our Savior tortoise Our Father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name thy kingdom come thy will be done On earth as it is in heaven give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil for Vine is the kingdom of power and the glory for ever and ever amen. him. The blessing of God Almighty the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit be upon you and all whom you love this day and always Amen this is B.B.C. Radio 4 the way for the news is next and then afterwards Woman's Hour marks this and Tina ray of women 1st being given the opportunity to serve in the U.K. Armed forces. B.B.C. News had 10 o'clock Jewish leaders have strongly criticized Jeremy Corbyn accusing him of being the figurehead of an anti semitic political culture they're planning to stage a protest in Westminster the C. Evening Mr Corbyn says he sincerely sorry for anti semitism in what he calls pockets of the Labor Party and adds that he intends to meet Jewish leaders in the coming weeks to rebuild trust the Russian authorities say that 64 people have been killed in a fire in a shopping center in Siberia the blaze is believed to have started at the cinema hole and many of the victims are children the pornographic film actress Stormy Daniels has claimed she was threatened to keep quiet about a sexual encounter she alleges she had with Donald Trump in 2006 she described how she was approached by a man in a car park and want to leave Mr try.