And indeed the morning after pill at the front of a chemist I mean I know you can do this in lots of other countries but at the moment a woman normally has to go back to her g.p. Every 3 months to get another prescription you think that this could that could be done away with and you could just pick it up the way you can pick up condoms yes it's quite simple but as I was saying earlier very very well researched incredibly good safety track record and I think that if you give women the opportunity to look after themselves and give them the right information that they will treat the scene and they will do this very well and so without a consultation it means that if you don't have any problems then you would go to your g.p.s. But I don't know you don't see pharmacists in pharmacies and chemist shops and they all of those are very well qualified to help with the problem but certainly you may want to have an initial consultation if you want a particular type of contraception or advice about her and other medical problems you have but not going back every 3 months to waste everybody's time sitting there to get another repeat prescription and maybe not being able to go back and therefore having an oven a danger of having an unplanned pregnancy because you've actually run out of your prescription and we know that unplanned pregnancies have so many more complications so if you can plan when you're going to become pregnant how many times and the outcome for you and for your baby is so much better and or abortion right is not the highest it has ever been yes it is and interestingly not in young women this is in women in their late thirty's and early forty's who I think again are falling through the cracks because they're not able to access contraception though you mentioned cervical smear tests I did want to talk to you about this because one of the interesting things that a new take up is very low one in 3 women miss their last smear and I also notice that it is much higher in women earning less than $15000.00 pounds a year a diverse think about 42 percent do you know why that is and what can we do about it when I think you once again it's about women falling through the cracks and if you're on a low income or your other deprived area it's much more difficult for you to access those appointments in. If I ask you to come to 3 different doctors to get your contraception annulus Mia thought it out and sci check then it's likely that one of them is going to fall off the radar and if you can't access it or you have an unpleasant experience while you're there you're not likely to go back and you're going to miss a shift or you paid shift some because you've got appointments or you're not just as easy as being able to take time off so you need to be able to go to somewhere a one stop shop effectively and do all those things quickly in your lunch hour after work so that you can get on with the rest of your life now let's talk about these one stop shops because this is what you're proposing and it does sound quite radical and I'm sure for a lot of people listening it sounds like a really simple idea actually which is that you can go to one place and maybe have an appointment with a nurse or a health care professional for say 15 minutes where you can talk about it depending what age you are whether you know if you're young you might be talking about heavy periods contraception maybe getting s.t.i. Advise you can to what all these things at once if you're an older woman you might be talking about menopause symptoms along with contraception advice etc so you could do it all in in one place and have a little We've said it all and I really don't think it's difficult as I keep saying and we said at the launch yesterday at the House of Commons this is not rocket science this is just common sense and I'm sure if we get all our stakeholders together they will want to help us make this happen it sounds like common sense it hasn't happened obviously setting up one stop shops isn't cost free where are we going to get the resources to do this well at the moment I think we're wasting an enormous amount of resource so commissioning of these basic health care services are in 3 trunk she's with n.h.s. England with local authorities and with clinical commissioning groups and of course when you're only commissioning for a bit of it or you've got a pot of money that basically service is one type of care you may not see the benefits of when you do that very well so I think what's happening now is that we are falling through the women affording through the cracks and what we've got to do is try and get somebody in charge of this preferably a sink. Provider or possibly can co commission but we need to put women at the center of the problem and cater for them not cater for the all the institutions on the side of these women I suppose of often d. Prioritized their own health partly because they're incredibly busy and very often the times when they need to be looking at their health or the times when they are the busiest for example women with very young children you talk about the the postnatal 6 week check and as a missed opportunity I have to say I've 3 kids and I don't actually ever remember having a 6 week check I did I mean maybe I didn't maybe I had one and it just wasn't very memorable It was a lot of other things going on why is that a missed opportunity what should we be doing that well I think is absolutely crucial for many reasons firstly because we know that when women a pregnant their factory go through sort of a road test for their future health and we know that often things that happened to them during pregnancy both physically and mentally are if you like a taster of what they might have later on so if you've had a bit of high blood pressure all you've got just Station diabetes it's almost like writing a certificate for yourself I'm going to have this problem later so the 6 week check is such a great time for them to sit down with a health care professional and talk about what's happened to them check that the baby's fine check their physical and their mental health and then if you do they've put on weight or they you know they've had some other problem pregnancy talked to them about how they really need to tackle this so that they don't have problems in the future and of course number one in that check up list needs to be talking about contraception again because you know many many women find that they are missing out on postnatal contraception and we know the really good data show that if you space your pregnancies by 18 to 24 months the outcome for you and the outcome for your baby is enormously improved so it's just a no brainer. Long term health comes for women can actually be affected quite greatly by this kind of intervention is done with the. A study really shows overall I think so and I think it's showing that what we can do is prevent ill health by empowering women to do what they need to do I mean we number 51 percent of the population but we influence the health care behaviors of everybody else too and I think if we can educate and provide women with the information they need to look after themselves and after their families will have a vastly increased workforce in the n.h.s. And we've actually seen some big banks some city institutions who are really let's face it motivated by profit putting money into Manapul services for their stuff because they've been convinced that it actually is good for the bottom line I mean the simple fact is that money talks in these situations do you need to convince the government in the same way that these services that you're talking about are going to give better outcomes to women but actually they would be in the end more profitable for whole society I mean I'm just trying to work out how we really make sure this time that we make a change because although this report seems to be full of really good intentions I can't help thinking we've been here before a fair point and I think what we've got to do is ensure that all of those people at the n.h.s. And in government really really help us to implement this because it's not it's not complicated but we are going to have to do a little bit a service reorganization to get the very best out of it but I think it's possible and you make the example of the city firms that have found that it's incredibly beneficial for their productivity if they don't have women going off on sick leave or different hospital or doctor appointments that they can provide them with these simple services in-house or close by or just at a fixed time when they can do everything that productivity increases and I think that I think I think I leaders are listening and after all that this is a fantastic opportunity for the n.h.s. Because 70 percent of the employees in the n.h.s. Are women so let's make that really front and center and show everybody how well it can be done well president. Of the gynaecological and obstetrician service and Professor Leslie Regan Frank you very much indeed for coming in talking to us I'm sure some imminently common sense approaches there Thank You Thank You know Sean Barry is co-leader of the Green Party of England and Wales and although the climate is tough with many voters agendas the party has got just one seat in Westminster and they've been seeing increasing support in local and European elections but can they actually turn that into any more parliamentary seats and what difference can they make Well Sean Berry is here so welcome to shine welcome and what a seat we've got there is Carolina because she's incredibly effective She's very high profile tell me that what is distinctive about the Green Party's offer to women voters in this election I think one thing we're all about is is system change and people often interpret that as just being about the climate but but it isn't and one thing that we've got as a goal as part of our manifesto is the elimination of poverty and that sounds really grandiose but actually is not that it's not that difficult today we're talking about providing a universal basic income to absolutely every person to replace the benefits system to take away that conditionality and it's a really really big idea that goes along with our Green New Deal and investing in infrastructure investing in energy in people's homes to transform the way things work in terms of energy but this would transform society and I I'm so proud that we've actually in this election when so many parts of society are breaking down we're putting forward the big system changes that all link together in a way that we've not really done before in previous elections we've tended to put forward some bright ideas things that we can we can justify that sort of make the case that green ideas can work that the other parties might take up but in this one we've got so many enormous crises we've just gone the whole hog we've known system change has the big change here's the universal basic Ok so just explain then. To us exactly what universal basic income is it's a flat rate of money that goes to unconditional payment to every permanent resident and it replaces all the benefits that are not completely special so just carers allowance and housing benefit to knowing whether you are working or not no matter how much money you make cool if you make. A machine at the that the welfare state sets out to provide but at the moment we have a welfare system that is that's a complete mass it's full of conditions it's full of tests and the key thing about that is when you've got tast some prejudices within society structural ones but also personal ones tend to mean that those who are most discriminated against those who face the most barriers are the ones who slipped through the net and that's women and that's minorities and so there's a reason why Martin Luther King was an advocate for basic. He said it was the next step in the civil rights struggle and it is that it would absolutely transform the lives of many women give the many more choices in their lives as well as eliminating the horrible poverty that we're seeing in reports today for example from a shelter that shows record numbers of children living in temporary accommodation in homeless families there's absolutely no need for that we are a country who can eliminate poverty and this is the way to do it no you heard our last item I was talking to Professor Leslie Regan What did you think of those policies in terms of health for women that's absolutely music to my ear is described as common sense and it is you know we we focus a lot on the problems that there are in acute care in the n.h.s. And they are very serious but if we're going to be transforming the health service we do need to focus on these more community based. Stick focused on the person not on the condition and these these smaller sort of preventive and interventions that make people feel supported and cared for they can make all the difference in terms of maintaining health I love the way it was described as maintenance as maybe when I visit the doctor is to maintain. My parts Ok Let's talk a little bit about the your your seats because in the European elections in the council actions you achieve done quite well you start with the councillors and they're only pays in 29000 already a lot better though than in general elections where you know you've you have one m.p. a Lot of people will look their own constituencies when they come to vote and think the look at the numbers and think that a vote for the Green Party is a wasted vote what do you say to them I mean most constituencies you are absolutely 100 percent free to vote Gray most constituencies do not change hands there's a lot of safe seats out there and voting Green in those constituencies sends a huge message that the transformation we want to see in society the big changes and importantly tackling climate chaos on top of your priorities Ok but St Nicholas sturgeon she's called for voters on that side of Scotland to vote tactically to keep the 2 resigned so do you agree in close seats even if that means not voting Green in a small number of seats there are they these are the marginal say that we do have a problem the 1st past the post system doesn't make it easy for voters and we've tried to work with other parties on that in this election and we have made this agreement with like Comrie and the Liberal Democrats in seats where one or other of us if we teamed up could could be the Conservatives could change the balance of Parliament towards a people's vote was our motivation but also we've got an agreement based on climate action and rolling back austerity so you talk about climate action there are a number of seats where you've stood aside for at the liberal democrats are you convinced that their green credentials are good enough for a voter whose main concern is the environment to vote for and it's not an endorsement we're not teaming up with you know labor 1st is de carbon a zation policies are much closer to yours and the Lib Dems on the no party comes anywhere near our levels of investment or are our goals in terms of transforming society and the economy away from carbon emissions but in terms of changing the balance of Parliament we've. We've worked in a grown up wire with other parties Another see where the Green candidate is the candidate who will stand up for him I and all those things we stand for and can actually win and that is very exciting for me there I mean it's a small number of constituencies but they are very significant mentions universal basic income there are lots of other really catching things in your manifesto things like in a starting school at the age of 6 making missile genea hate crime things that a lot of our listeners will be interested in butt. You might get a couple of seats in this election we don't know yet. Those seats if you get the might be crucial if we have a tight election a hung parliament so which bits of Europe huge and you know. In a quite radical manifesto would you be asking a main party presumably the Labor Party to agree to in return for those crucial votes well Climate Action is an absolute bottom line for us as are changes to the austerity things that we have a moment where the cuts that they made councils for example we're talking about restoring Council funding by 10000000000 that's a lot more than the other parties but when we launched our manifesto we also put forward 10 bills and those are bills that in some cases Caroline Lucas has already tried to put through in Parliament like the n.h.s. Reinstatement bill for example but also a bill to introduce basic bills for a green new deal these are the bills that we take to the table if anyone needed of a in parliament is a line silly example where the Army Corps been as prime minister that's our starting point our red lines our climate action obviously and the transformation of the economy away from. Carbon into more productive things and working on the problems that led to Bracks investment all around the country moving away from fossil fuels these are things where the other parties are still doing things like supporting airport expansion supporting road building they're not going far enough there are some very big things that they want to do like h.s.t. Renewing Trident we've been putting those in as as big conditions as well but let's not get ahead of ourselves the voters in in constituencies where we can we need to do their duty their bit now and they can they can make history we can double our army base just the way we've doubled our our other representation across the country in this election Ok was shown very of the Green Party of and Wales thank you very much indeed now we're going to be talking to Liz sample Roberts from plug in just a minute and we're also going to be looking at bringing. Multi-lingual Children of it later on but each year an act is crying and introducing artist of the year by b.b.c. Music the previous winners include catfish on the bottom and is a visit and Jack Garrett and this year's winner is celeste and we spoke to Celeste just a couple of weeks ago on the program so here she is talking to Jane about the importance of having people behind you when you're starting out and in Macas and supporting in d.j. Target from one extreme has been one of my biggest champions to say you need champions don't you because you can definitely kick start a career in music unless you've got people who are on your side 100 percent it helps a great deal to have people who are respected to say I like this and this is something I actually listen to and also once you get that encouragement I was boy you up and give you much more confidence to keep going 100 percent I think the acknowledgment just kind of encourages you motivates you to carry on and yeah something I really appreciate. Well if you had to the woman's our website not that you can see our brand new film that we made with Celeste she's talking about studying art in music and her musical influences and she also actually share some great advice if you listen to Thursday's front row we'll have artists from the recent b.b.c. Music introducing live weekend including the band virus and Sylvester and there's also an interview there with storm season music director Kojo Samuel. No ploy Comrie is standing in almost all seats in Wales although in some it has stepped aside because of their unite to remain pact with the Lib Dems and the Greens this several Roberts is plied the leader in Westminster and was instrumental in the last parliament in trying to block Bracks that even though Wales overall voted to leave the e.u. Well Lizzie's that Joining us now from Bangor in north west Wales Liz welcome to Woman's Hour How about it good morning good morning and we will come on to break that I'm sure in just a moment but 1st of all let me ask you about like committee's distinctive offer to women voters in Wales I think are off with this general election is to address the reality of poverty in Wales and to address that in a with costed and targeted policies and particularly with the Welsh children's payments that we would propose a 35 pounds per week to families living on the poverty line and one in 3 children and whilst living in the poverty line and in all honesty if we don't address those children and given greater aspirations in the means to have greater ambitions I would be concerned that we're looking at the rolling on of these same conditions into the future so we're looking at 40 hours of free childcare from the age of one on Woods this child payments to address particular poverty with families who are living on the poverty line and also further investment in schooling and also of course we were listening to Professor Ragan from the College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists earlier on that health is very much an issue in Wales but at the same time and this has to be said of course education and health are both devolved matters although we need therefore and we would be calling for this for the benefits and welfare matters to be devolved to Wales so that we could use them as we need for our particular communities you you actually only have a quarter of the candidates standing in this election. Are women are you disappointed with that when actually quite a lot of your manifesto seems to be centered on services that are about about poverty and children and these are letters to women well yes I am frankly I was people say plainly that I am disappointed that we only have a quarter of a 100 up and I think in part although I'm not in the party off the hook with this it's down to the fact that this is a snap election and that we've been living from from hand to mouth and trying to get things ready for this election at the same time though with our elected representatives in the Senate in Cardiff in the world National Assembly we have 60 percent representation there we've had a female leader at the Assembly I myself am the 1st female member of parliament from my area for my party and also to be leading in Westminster as well but at the same time I very much agree with the need for all parties and particularly women within parties to enable other women in and particularly at this time because we don't want to leave it you need all women shortlists them to do that I think we are looking at all women arrangements for some of our Assembly seats which we hope to do very well in the election and 2021 at the same time what I have seen is good young female politicians coming forward taking the traditional route of going through as as councillors as county councils and then the experience they have the abuse that they have on social media actually they make the commonsense decision for themselves and their families and they back out and we have a society within our political systems and our political structures within parties obviously but we also have a society at this time when you've got Trump and Boris Johnson using dismissing women as some way of dog whistling popularity as Actually this is the sort of society we want to we want to shout out but then for the surely made many listeners I think that that is a better reason to make sure that you do have more women candidates yes indeed it is but I would also say. Of course a very strong female female politicians like Campbell right under the can Morgan standing back from politics because they don't like to get in their life I'd like to get on to some of your policies you did mention are mentioned rather that despite your name being the party of Wales in Wales you actually aren't fielding candidates in every constituency because of the they crossed party remain Alliance is Bracks therefore more important than giving every Welsh voter a full choice just would take a step back from that what we're looking at and I think partly this is the curse of politics in the United Kingdom as things stand what comes 1st party interests and behaving in the same old adversarial way or actually addressing the point of politics which are the issues of the day and the outstanding issue the outstanding crisis of our day is BRICs it doesn't really matter whether the parties are putting themselves 1st I mean this is why we've got ourselves in the position of the Tory party and David Cameron trying to become leader the Tory party playing out his problems with the rest of us as the poor no leg party game Ok well your manifesto front and center of course is another referendum on Bracks and in which you would campaign to remain the many voters in the constituencies that you that plied can be represented in the last Parliament and indeed lots of voters in the seats that you are targeting women and men listening today did vote to leave how do you justify your position to them if as individuals who got into politics to do the best for our communities we had to enter fiber exit as being the clearest and greatest threat to the well being of those communities how can we behave in any other way this is a matter of principle now going back to 1079 when the 1st photo of evolution was held and Wales voted against having our own parliament. But believed in the parliament for Wales and we carried on campaigning for that we're not just bellwether politicians we are politicians of issues and beliefs and in that respect and this I find sadly find Jeremy Corbin lacking you can't just stand neutral either you offer leadership or you're just about weather Ok no in the in the Welsh Assembly you are in opposition to labor in Westminster in the event of a hung parliament you may have 4 seats you may have less you have more but Iran that number when if labor were to need your help to form a government would you give them that help under German coven. We are there to make a difference if we only lesser know if we can bring about a 2nd referendum for breakfast in which we will campaign to remain against a credible deal if we can bring about from Labor who of course have had the means over many decades to make a difference to the funding and Wales think we can bring about the means to bring in the funding that we would have for aspirations and spend which make a difference to poverty which will make a difference to health and well to make a difference to the green economy it was just to be just to be clear with those you conditions we will be prepared to talk going forward but we have put conditions as a party to do that. You know I could say I cannot imagine any scenario in which we can work with Boris Johnson because rightly 2 months ago I was trying to impeach him Ok Well yes what we do remember that we know that Nicholas Sturgeon's price is that she says she wants a referendum on Scottish independence applied can raise prices is a 2nd referendum is that clear and the the policy is with which we have aspirations which we haven't bishops to address like the gross injustice of poverty in Wales the injustice that way that late Welsh Labor has been overseeing for the last 20 years we have ambitions to address that and to improve the conditions of people's lives Ok listen to Robert's from plug Committee thank you very much indeed for joining us. Well as for tomorrow Jane is here to present the Woman's Hour debate it is a full hour and senior women politicians will be here and of course we want your questions so please e-mail us through the website you can call to morrow morning from 8 30 in the morning the number is 037010444 now we're going to be joined by Victoria for the conservatives Diane Abbott for labor Dr Sarah Liston for the Liberal Democrats did 3 Brock of the s.n.p. And from the Bronx at party the m.e.p. Belinda d. Lucy So the number again it's only 3. 70104445 now if you were listening to list several Roberts in Wales you may well be bringing up your children to speak 2 languages or even more and if you're lucky you'll have plenty of resources and family and friends who speak those languages but what if you're trying to bring up your kids to be multilingual when you are the only person from your background living in the area and your language isn't even taught in schools Well 2 women who are coping with these challenges are Marcy Horan who is presenter of podcast parent land and be me is Simi who is founder of culture tree will explain a little bit about what that is in just a moment they're both in the studio with me now welcome both of you and most of your family jury and background and you speak Gardner as well as English and you grew up speaking to his Both of the languages and you've got 2 small children I think and at what point did you decide that you wanted them to grow up speaking both those languages well I didn't have to decide English we live in. A given life and with a God It's just something that I wanted them to do because it's a language I speak with my family in Nigeria Yes it's their heritage of course I mean I think most people understand that you know you want your kids to speak essentially your mother tongue right and be you're also Nigerian and you actually grew up speaking a different Nigerian language did you always assume that your kids would speak it as well no I didn't because we believe in London so I knew that there would be a challenge to get them to speak Europe which is the language I speak the West African language from Nigeria so I always knew that been in London it would be a challenge to do that and that's why I set up culture tree so tell me a little bit about it because of course you know in order for your child to grow up speaking the language you need to be speaking you at home I guess all the time yeah how hard is that to the challenges that. You said previously that there isn't you know in an environment where it's spoken so as for me it's a case of I'm the only person my husband Knight only people who my child will learn your bow from so I need to create an environment where she has other people speak in that language and a lot of parents find have the same issue of trying to pass on a language that they themselves don't actually speak so what you find is in London a lot of 2nd generation Nigerians when encouraged or when taught to speak your so growing up they didn't speak it themselves mostly is a lot of the school I know there's a lot amongst quite a lot of friends of money come from different places and so you parents arrived from from Pakistan or from China or from Nigeria and they had a desire for you to fit in right they were there and they thought the best thing they could do for their kids was not teach them the language of their background is that still a problem I think it's still a problem. I think um more and more though people are realising that teaching their children these languages will keep them rooted and connected to their heritage and so it's changing slowly but you know it's still an issue I believe been you took a really proactive approach tell us what you did I said a culture tree so what I did for my younger child is I started doing animations so we did you about nursery rhymes and we put those on You Tube and it was really do you did you find that they weren't there already that no they were that's what I that's what I set up because I look for resources and content to teach my child and I couldn't find any content and that's where we started doing the last year I'm and we started doing stories and we set up the classes as well for parents. Mostly said that there is a change in a shift a lot of parents do want to kids to speak. Their mother tongue and have a connection to their roots because there is a thing about identity as well you have even though you're British you are you know Nigerian is boum it's not just by the language about the food where we dressed the way we the way we respect all the different things that you can identify to show who you are really. You. Live Marcy in Kent as I said as opposed to living in London which at least has got you know it's so multicultural there's people in London who can speak almost every language I'm sure if you can have access to them and find them a little bit more difficult where you are Ha Ha Ha interview find it to actually get your kids to speak speak a gallon all the time honestly it's been really difficult and I think for me the harder. Why it's harder is because my partner doesn't speak the language and so I write it is just me speaking by myself and I find a very unnatural to just speak the language unknown so we do try to speak with my parents on Face Time and things like that but it's not enough to get them to to your parents aren't here you know they're not you know a lot of people say that the very best way to get their kids to. Another language that is actually the grandparents absolutely know is what exactly if you've got a German granny who doesn't speak any English and you really want to speak to your grandmother you know you go learn do you know that's how I learned to govern as well I mean my mom was speaking English and we got to simultaneously but then my grandma would come over and she spend a lot of time with us and she didn't speak a word of English so I had no choice but to learn but they don't have that my kids don't have that now and I'm finally actually very hard to speak as much as I thought I would it's just not coming as naturally as I thought it would and so unfortunately they're not benefiting as much as the as much as I would love them to . And I suppose some people do wonder or worry that if they're being taught if they're kind of immersed in another language at home that they will have problems perhaps when they go to school speaking English that just doesn't happen right now it's a misconception I mean the child's brain is a man. You can learn I don't remember exactly how many languages but a child definitely has the capacity to learn more languages than 2 so it won't be an issue if at home they're speaking one language and they're everywhere else they're speaking English they'll have it they'll have English when they're all just going to actively actually promote. Now before it used to be in the past where they would tell you that you shouldn't like mixed languages but now schools actively promote you being bilingual at home and that is ignorance Yes Don't you know we made you think that there was a thing I mean another thing that perhaps it's a myth so I'm going to put out there and you can tell me is that when children are growing up speaking one or 2 or more languages they actually start to speak later is not another natural rights not drugs and it's actually been proven as well that's not true so I'm just going to read out a email that we've had and here it is from tomorrow who says My children were brought up bilingual with Spanish in English my son's children are trilingual as his wife is Chinese the children speak Mandarin at home with their mother and amongst themselves and Spanish to their dad and at school and with me it's English and she says that their reading and writing are well above average and she feels that there is an advantage in having more than one language while of course there is really when you think about it you're using a lot of your brain we don't really use a lot of our brain but when you're speaking a different language to somebody else and you have to like have the intuition speak to another person in different language you're actually very intelligent able to do that and are you struggling you know you were talking about the fact that it's very difficult at home do you do you feel like if your teachers give up I mean there are I know how did your parents who have trouble very beginning and who it hasn't worked for long term I haven't given up yet and I mean I'm actually trying I think I'm going to start making some materials just because it just doesn't exist and for when he speaks a bigger language than I speak and so there's actually more resources she has more of a community in London that doesn't exist for me because my tribe is a lot smaller. I don't know any other people around unfortunately so I'm going to have to be more conscious about how I do and I think I'm going to have to teach them the way I would they would learn at school which is you know print now flash cards you know take a real good hour in the day and say Ok this is what we're going to do right now. Just has to be a little bit more and it's very difficult especially when it's a minority language like it's not a lot of people speaking it but you have to be proactive you have to be proactive about it really so be me tell me about that you set up culture treat I actually you ever ended up with we started off by just putting these resources to You Tube What happened after them after they went on t.v. It was on the channel on tea on Sky t.v. And then I had a lot of requests from parents who wanted me to do classes so we started doing classes face to face classes we now have online Parsons with these these were the adults learning as well as the kids so that I don't want to learn as well as a kid so we do adult classes for young gent like that said 2nd generation between age of 20 up words we have parents who contact public classes with their kids and we have a center in Peckham as well culturally center where we do the classes and we do arts and crafts it's not just language but the culture is worth I said So you know we thought of we describe classes because it's a lot of demand from international Like all around the world really globally there are and are these quite a lot of people who didn't learn to speak their own language when they were growing up and are not kind of regretting that you said yes yes but you said our parents when we when they emigrated you know when you're in different countries just want to Assimilate you want to you know so they were advised as you said not to speak 2 languages because it might speak slightly might speak later on they might have a you know Nigel accent so a lot of people didn't do that but this generation of realize that you know there is an advantage to being bilingual multi-lingual So a lot of people are making the effort to teach their kids because the kind of cultural heritage and identity issues come when you go back to Nigeria but then you find that you actually can communicate exactly why there was a Friends and family Yeah there is an identity issue as well and that is a deeper issue here especially here in London where you know we have a lot of young people who don't feel like they belong there not quite British and not quite Nigerian because they don't speak the language and they're not quite British because they feel like they're obviously at home they're not in the way that we eat the food you eat the way you talk to your parents the things that we do so there is an identity issue there and I think. Can be solved if just have been more done I don't I think it's a personal thing for parents but also maybe the government can encourage a little bit more as well especially in schools mostly you brought this up on your podcast parents and youth and you got a huge response to it I know not just from Nigerian families but from people all over the world and actually as well you know from a lot of people who are living in England what were some of the concerns that they brought up when they were trying to teach their kids to be multi-lingual or if it was always. It is issue of. Getting them to so have other people that they speak with and not just the parents at home. So it's things like having access to classes materials online but it's always very challenging especially for minority languages and I think it's easier with languages like friend told me and exactly I mean we've got an email here from an eco who says that it's really simple and I don't know if it is really simple or not but I think just get one partner to speak one language and the other one to speak English and their son is fluent in Greek with no effort so that's always good when I haven't had to make an effort but I do I do think that again that's another. Something else that we've heard quite a lot that one parent should only speak one language areas the other is not a good idea and I know some people do practice that's called o.p.o. Well one person one language there's a little there's a lot of different methods that you could use and that is one of them but they're not that presumes that preparing is fluent in that language what we find would not be rippin languages or people who are from African descent is that we didn't actually learn the language because we were born here in England so we only learn English growing up so you can't teach something that you don't know yourself really right Starlin's a gallon just different I just like to say that even when you were born in Nigeria still have that challenge or have lots of cousins who grew up in the cities like Lagos or you know who don't speak the languages just because they were in immersed as much as I knew you know because for example in Nigeria the lingua franca the official language is English most people just speak English because that's the way you communicate with the wider can learn a language and I just really miss 500 different dialects so how do you communicate that we've got a big response and there's a lot of people getting in touch Kareena says that she's a German mum and Scotland and we read a lot in German but she agrees with both of you sometimes feels a little bit out of your daily context to speak German throughout the day and it's a bedtime reading is really important so yeah I think a lot of people getting in touch to say look they really love to do this but it is always a bit of a struggle. But mostly unbe me thank you very much indeed and do keep it up I've never heard anybody I think say that they wish they hadn't learned to speak their parents' language only that they wish they had had you know of course I'm sure there may be some people who feel differently and if so I'm sure that we'll hear on Twitter. And now we're going to go on to our next episode of the drama it's our other patients of George Eliot's classic novel Middlemarch and Will is now the editor of Arthur Brooks newspaper and he's working on his political campaign. While Lydgate safely married him with a hospital under his command felt himself struggling against Middlemarch for medical reform Middlemarch was becoming more and more conscious of the national struggle for another kind of reform this was what Will Ladislaw dwelt on now in the library at Tipton Grange what we have to work at now Mr Brook is making your position clear yes yes but but I I want to keep myself independent about reform you know I don't want to go too far if you go in for the principle of reform you must be prepared to take what the situation offers but I don't want to change the balance of the Constitution but that is what the country wants it wants to have a house of commons that isn't dominated by the landed class asking for reform short of that is like asking for only a small part of an avalanche an avalanche which has already begun to thunder. That's good that's good right right there down. You have a way of putting things you know. It was nearly 4 o'clock when Mrs Because Sylvan called to see her uncle. She rarely came to the Grange now but she had come with something very specific to say so James tells me that you were thinking of hiring Caleb Garth to manage that or pass your farms and go yes yes but he is a little hasty and a little hasty you know says that if you mean to enter Parliament is a member who cares for the people then one of the 1st things you must do is make things better for your tenants he's been reading the trumpet the trumpet you know since I began to campaign they have been writing about me not always pleasant things if you did hire Caleb golf to manage your farms then the trumpet wouldn't be able to hammer you anymore. And when the hustings comes around the crowd would not be able to tell me why the. Area perhaps I will send word to gas to come and see me that perhaps I would do that now would you excuse me for a moment certainly. I haven't seen you for a long time no I presume you know that Mr Casaubon has forbidden me to go to his house I didn't know that well I'm sorry no I am sorry so sorry he's unhappy that I've become editor of the pioneer Dorothea felt wretched and believed that her husband was wrong in this and more. One of the 1st professional calls made by Dr Lydgate after his wedding journey was to love it man and I'm exceedingly obliged to feel I'm trying to say booklet great we will if you please carry on our conversation while walking to and fro of course. Have your symptoms return I know my symptoms and most of it is not returned I'm glad to hear it I. I have a question for you go on. For many years I've been writing a work which I would like to see committed to press alas it is in no fit state for publication and. I want to know how much time. I might have left in my life diseases of the heart of very difficult to predict upon your condition may give you a tolerably comfortable life for another 15 years. But. Yes. I'm afraid the death from this disease is often subtle. One more thing yes. Did you communicate this to Mrs Because open. Partly I mean as to the possible issues litigate was about to explain why he had told Dorothea that Mr Casaubon clearly wanted the conversation over I thank you. I shall leave you that yes please. When the commonplace we must all die transforms itself suddenly into acute consciousness I must die then death grapples with us and his fingers are cruel and Dorothea was somehow implicated in knowing the truth knowing it all along yes. Yes put it up to make it have to say nothing of consequence but you know well you are quite well I am tolerably well just take my arm Thank you no place was to console them kept his hands behind him and allows Dorothea's to cling with difficulty to his there was something horrible to Dorothea in his attitude now I would rather be alone. My love I would rather be alone but have you wish. Actually I should keep walking. And 2 days later she went to see Dr Lydgate to ask whether her husband has felt a return of his sentence Dr Len Gage is not at home madam is Mrs litigate there yes madam when you ask her if she can see just for a few minutes this is litigate who is hardly likely to refuse to her Mrs Coo Saw been was one of those county divinities not given to mix in with Middlemarch mortality. This is because Salzburg allowed this is because well Mr Lettice your I didn't expect to see you here forgotten that you 2 knew each other yes. Mystically thank you very much for allowing me to interrupt you no not at all what can I do for you I'm very anxious to see Dr litigate I wondered if you could tell me where he is or even allow me to wait there if you expect him soon he's at the new hospital but I can send him all I could go now and that in view no actually I think I should go myself but why I'm in a hurry forgive me Mrs league I'm very much obliged to you good bye Mr Madison. On her way to the hospital Dorothea felt confusedly and happy and the image of will which had been so clear to her before was mysteriously spoilt now while we're away here I think. Musical. Coming of the day. I'm sure you would admit the interruption was a very beautiful one. I quite tender your acquaintance of Mrs because or than she very clever she looks as if she were really I never thought about it. I just just the answer Tasha's gave me when I 1st asked him if she were handsome What is it that you gentlemen are thinking of when you are with Mrs Kosovan herself well I shall be jealous when Titus goes to allow it he will come back and think nothing of me that doesn't seem to have been the effect on a greater far besides this is because organised to Unlike other women for them to be compared with. You are a devout worshipper I see. Now where ship is usually a matter of theory but I am practicing it to excess just at this moment I really must leave now. Later at dinner Rosamond felt compelled to mention the events of the afternoon to litigate Mr Ladislaus here seeing with me when Mrs Kosovan came in. You just naming Yes yes of course in fact he had not been listening he had been thinking of an unpaid furniture Bell do you think he disliked Mrs Kosoff been seeing him at our house. I have no idea I think he doors Mrs Casaubon. That he is a poor devil. What did Mrs console than want to say to you she was asking me about her husband's health I think she's going to be splendid to our new hospital she has promised 200 a year. Do you notice as I often wish she would not be in a medical man. Residents say that. That's like saying you wish you'd married another man of the top you are clever enough for anything you might easily have been something else and your cousin's a calling of all things you have sunk below them in your choice of profession my cousin's a quality you can go to the devil Still I do not think it is a nice profession it is the grandest profession in the world Rosamond to say that you love me without loving the medical man and he is the same as saying you like eating a peach but don't like the flavor of the day after Dorothea's visit to the hospital she spent long hours in the library with Mr Casaubon when after dinner he asked her to return though she could hardly refuse would you. If you read this aloud certainly but then at each point where I say Mark I'd like you to me cross with your pencil All right this is the 1st step in a sifting process which I have long had in mind after she had read it not for 2 hours he said. We will take this notebook upstairs and on the pencil. And in case of reading in the night we can pursue this task if it isn't too we are as important I always prefer reading what you like best to hear the reading in the night did come. Dorothea was woken by a light to see her husband sitting in his armchair by the fireplace I yelled at. Now you know I just felt some uneasiness in the reclining posture. I've sit here for a time would you like me to read to you you would oblige me greatly Dorothy I'm awake for. My mind is remarkably lucid of course Dorothea read for in our own more until at last Mr Casaubon said known have their hope closely work by here. We'll resume our work in the morning but before I sleep I I have a request to make what is it in the event of my death will you promise to carry out my wishes of course. I'm glad and what are these wishes after my death he will hear what they are but yes I don't think it is right to make a promise when I'm ignorant of what it will buy me to you will simply have to trust me but whatever affection prompted I would do without promising but there you use your own judgment and instead I ask you to a bear a mine I see do you refuse No no I don't refuse but perhaps you might wait and me to reflect a little while how long must I wait I want with my whole soul to do what will come thick here but I cannot give any pledge certainly still less a pledge to do I know not what how long must I wait. Grant be until tomorrow until tomorrow. Mr Casaubon was soon sleeping But Dorothea stayed awake until it was nearly morning it seemed clear now that he expected her to devote herself to sifting through those notebooks for eternity Good morning and the morning 10 trip mystic it's all been telling me to tell you that walking in the garden Thank you I will go and join him. Bless you Dorothy I lent on her servants I am and wept. She felt that she was going to say yes to her own tune. But when Dorothea went outside to find him he was nowhere to be seen. Until she turned a corner on the wall. And there he was. Seated on the bench with his arms resting on the stone table and his head resting on his arms I am can Edward I am come. Awake dare. We. I have my aunts and. It would. Edward. But Mr Casaubon was dead and Dorothea's answer was never given now there's no middle March tomorrow on Woman's Hour the evening episode is at 745 or you can hear it on b.b.c. Signs and that's because of our election debate with Victoria Atkins of the conservatives Diane Abbott from Labor Dr Sarah Wilson of the Lib Dems did have brought of the s.n.p. And the Bracks at parties Belinda delusive so you can email us your questions to the website or you can call tomorrow morning from 8 30 am over 37010444 do join Jane tomorrow. Was presented by Andrea Katha wood and produced by ship on time undermined that tomorrow's episode of Middlemarch will be available on b.b.c. Sons tomorrow morning. And at lunchtime today it's called you knew us and here to tell us more is Winifred Robinson thanks Ali we're talking about loneliness today that feeling of distress when you are longing to connect to the people but no one seems available listeners are already getting in touch the biggest thing to me is the lack of conversation winter are coming for shopping say close a door about let's say 2 and I think well that's it till tomorrow I just feel like my brain is going to cotton colas No please tell us when you have been lonely and what you've done to combat that ring now 37010444 that's 037010444 The lines are open. Thanks Winifred the high stakes world of political polling in Sultans of Swing That's coming up after the news here on b.b.c. Radio 4. News at 11 o'clock President Trump who's in the u.k. For a NATO summit has flatly denied that the n.h.s. Would be on the table in any post breaks a trade talks with the u.k. He also said he could work with Jeremy Corbin although he added that he knew nothing about the Labor leader is our political correspondent Nick and Lee this morning President Trump largely stuck to a diplomatic script telling reporters he had North thoughts on next week's general election and strongly denying the n.h.s. Would be on the table in future trade talks if you handed it to us on a sober plate the president said we would want nothing to do with it the president repeated his backing for Bracks it and praised Boris Johnson whom he described as very capable and when asked if he could work with Jeremy carbon someone the president has criticized in the past Mr Trump said he could work with anybody. President from criticized the French President Emanuel mark on for suggesting NATO was suffering brain death calling the comments very dangerous he also lambasted Germany for not contributing more to the alliance. Police investigating the death of a 12 year old boy in a hit and run crash outside a school in Essex a questioning a 51 year old man on suspicion of murder 5 other people were hurt in the incident in Latin. The u.k. Has improved its overall rankings in education tests measuring the ability of teenagers across 80 countries but the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development which oversees the exams found that British teenagers struggle to tell fact from opinion and didn't enjoy reading for pleasure a Pakistani business tycoon has agreed to hand over cash in assets worth $190000000.00 pounds to the National Crime Agency the whole includes the Grade 2 listed One Hyde Park Terrace in London owned by the property developer Malik Reus Hussain the assets will be given to the Pakistani government. Court papers show that Zimbabwe's former President Robert Mugabe left several properties and more than $10000000.00 in cash he named no beneficiaries but the estate is expected to be shared among his wife and children b.b.c. News a more challenging than it's been in any point at least in my lifetime when we really could do with reliable insight into just exactly what people are thinking people are wondering whether the polls and the way we do them is in some way or another seriously broken so it's not just the credibility of the politicians and the commentators that's under question at this election it's the credibility of the polls and pollsters as well polling is about asking the right people the right questions at the right time and that sounds easy but it's extremely difficult job try men used to work at your golf and the co-founder and director of Delta poll at the new boys in the polling industry why does he think that the polls have been getting it wrong I would question whether wrong is necessarily the right term that would be the 1st thing that or that I would say we tend to look at things not in terms strictly of right or wrong but in terms of how close the actual outcome we were how close the overall story were and if you take the referendum for instance the referendum as an example and every single day of the campaign I would go only the t.v. Or radio but usually both and explain that the.