3 counts for which have been swept into the Atlantic Ocean by hurrican Dorian 2 months ago have been found alive in the us after swimming for about 5 miles the animals lived on Cedar Island off the coast of North Carolina and were presumed to have died in the storm where they've recently been spotted on the nearby Outer Banks barrier islands plans are now underway to bring the castaway cattle home well that is good moves it is now 6 minutes past 7 let's go over to the b.b.c. Well as into Thomas Jefferson. Woke me up they're very very good joke. The weather is no joke there this morning because it's been pouring with rain across some southern parts of the u.k. Southern and central areas lashings of rain through the night in the southeast in London the Midlands now as well and it's also additionally been snowing across parts of the Welsh hills in the Cotswolds as well currently a yellow warning of snow for these areas from the Met Office little covering here and there is possible that saw in the south of the u.k. Further north at the moment northern England Scotland and Northern Ireland different story here we've got clearer spells Touch of Frost here and there so that's the here and now later on today we can expect more sunny spells and occasional showers across northern parts of the country so Scotland Northern Northern Ireland the Lake District the northeast having in these areas here should have a decent day I suspect it'll be fine around Merseyside to the rest of the country however often overcast again Al breaks of rain unfortunately some outbreaks of rain also heading further north to the flooded areas as well through the course of this afternoon now the temperatures today really chilly day typically between 4 and 7 degree Celsius that really is quite nippy and then tonight's central parts of Britain overcast with rain at times the far north of the u.k. Should have some place spells with a touch of frost but shooting. Thank you very much Anita let's take our 1st look at the morning from by ages it's 7 minutes past 6 The Telegraph reports on the day when nominations will close in this election when the breaks a party have to design how many candidates to run that in the words of its headline Tories offer a fine or a large 11th hour deal the paper reports that the conservatives offered an electoral pact in Arjen 1st that would mean the BRICs a party told getting just 40 seats but this involved Boris Johnson being prepared to put up what are described as paper candidates in labor constituencies where is Mr Farage wanted them to stand down conservative candidates all together he tells the paper the things it's a terrible mistake will be airing for most of hours later in our program the Daily Mail has run a campaign trying to persuade him and the BRICs a party to stand down and how will flip flop federal judge votes it says in its into pages in the column by its columnist Stephen god same patronize belittled But now the real threat to federal G.'s legacy is himself he's urging in the papers urging him to stand or his cat stem and the Guardian has an exclusive interview with McCluskey leader of the Unite union Jamie Corbin's key union supporter the headline backlashes union chief calls for Labor to curb free movement that goes on with the conservatives seeking to make migration election issue limit he said that Labor needed to show how it's going to prevent paying conditions being undercut before considering relaxing its stars that quote is wrong in my view to have any greater free movement of labor unless you get straight to labor market regulation but apparently that intervention has infuriated activists who've been campaigning for a radical promulgation of motion which was post at the Labor Party Conference election time of course is a time when they can start to come even if they are all of the time players on the pitch not merely reporters the mail from Page targets Jeremy Goban Furia. The Coven ISIS chief gaff this was an interview the Labor leader gave yesterday in which he suggested it would have been better to have arrested Abu Bakar al Baghdadi and the sun on its middle pages goes on the attack labeling the Labor leader the terrorists friend and the Daily Mirror has gone green literally the even the paper's logo is green the front page picture of a tiny newborn baby says baby late is just hours old yet climate crisis threatens its future especially edition tells how this planet faces destruction and what we must do to give him hope and the headline give me a world I can grow up in poor diverge on the front page of The Guardian you may have seen the pictures on television news yesterday of similar square under more than a meter of water in Venice the 2nd highest levels of flood since records began 85 percent of the city has been flooded very dramatic pitches it's 10 past 6 Don't give up on stopping bricks don't touch the outgoing president of the European council urged British voters last night Adam Fleming of Brussels correspondent has been grown used over the years to the utterings of Mr tusk I me was never much of a diplomat was he added but he really is effectively weighing into this campaign. Oh yes I mean he's always been quite clear what he thinks about it but I suppose the important thing about this is the timing that you're right we're right in the middle of an election campaign because he's only got 2 more weeks in his job as president of the European Council the person who corrals the member states and shares those summits of e.u. Leaders he clearly feels that he doesn't have to worry about the you queues of interfering in the domestic politics of a member state and he's also happy to challenge the the developing consensus among e.u. Leaders that it's probably better that brags that happen sooner rather than later so just completely free to speak his mind as he can't stand the hours left until he leaves the Europa building in Brussels that's interesting you think now that he is alone voice or read voice in saying there is still chance to turn this all round Yeah during the debates about the most recent extension to the Braggs process you just heard more and more people saying it is time to just rip this plaster off and brags it should just get done to coin a phrase and they're keen to just move on to the next phase which is the negotiations about the future relationship on trade security research aviation you name it and later this week the European Commission's Task Force 50 the actual brags that negotiating units will be renamed the u.k. Tax task force because they're going to start preparing the ground for the future relationship negotiations and he's done some bold words in the past and there was a moment about the empire that may enrage supporters of bricks. Oh yes I think the thing that will annoy Bragg's supporter and sympathizers of Bragg's that cause will be when he talks about traveling around the world going to Canada South Korea China and he says the refrain he heard from people over and over again was just why is the u.k. Doing this why they consigning themselves to being a 2nd rate player on our future world stage it's going to be dominated by the United States Europe and China I mean none of this will come as a big surprise to the watchers Adonal toasts other capitals because he's always been a remainer at heart he's always dreamed Bragg's it could be reversed it's just that his dream his abdomen flowed over over the last year or so it's definitely going last night in Bruges where he did the speech of the College of Europe Fleming thank you very much and if you go get it of about I'm remember his podcast election cost is out of a 30 every night it's 30 minutes past 6 Freedom of Information requests by the b.b.c. Ever appealed that more than half of people who took the government to court after being denied disability benefits went on to win their case in total more than half a $1000000.00 people won an appeal at the tribunals between 20132018 across the u.k. And both from Norwich has bipolar disorder arthritis as well as a number of other conditions after going to appeal she successfully overturned decisions to refuse her applications for Personal Independence Payment and parts of disability living allowance between 2015 and last year I had to go 3 applications all of which were fused all of which I took to tribunals and the last tribunals I went from 0 points at the assessment to 23 points in the tribunals most of my application was based on my bipolar they want to fit you into boxes can you do this every day can you do that every day no not necessarily it depends on the day it depends on where my mood is it depends on can I physically put something in a microwave and cook it for myself yes have I got the motivation to when I'm suicidally depressed No they didn't understand. And Barkha Let's talk now to Alex Homer a porter at the B.B.C.'s shared data unit in Birmingham did the research on this story and tell us more about what you found out the figures for Great Britain are from. These called the tribunals service and in Northern Ireland the day is from the part of the communities and what they showed was that we had around $553000.00 successful appeals heard a tribunal about disability sickness and incapacity benefit out of around 981000 from 2013 to 2018 last year around 2 thirds of cases heard in Great Britain were found in favor of the person appealing in Northern Ireland the figure was more like 54 percent for $2521819.00 most of the appeals are about employment support allowance or e.s.a. Which is paid to people unable to work because of illness or disability the disability allowance or d.l.a. Which paid people in extra care or mobility needs and person independence payments Pip which is introduced to replace the alike so why is it that these tribunals decisions are or seem to be going in favor of the person appealing Well as you've heard I spoke to people for this report with their own experience of challenging benefits decisions of tribe you know as well as welfare rights advisors and charities handling advisory only appeals they've told us that the success rates that we've seen show that the health assessments to decide if a person is eligible for talk of benefit Well they're affected by in their words poor decision making and obviously accuracies the main criticisms are the evidence people submit about their health on paper is ignored the hidden disability like mental health the misunderstood and the assessments are too short to establish someone's unique personal circumstances that's private companies in that they carry out these benefit assessments on behalf of the relevant government departments or what have they been saying about all of this well it's not the 1st time these health assessments have been criticised in 28 in the Commons Work and Pensions Committee said failings in disability benefits cements had led to a pervasive lack of trust in the system well that committee considered stories from around 4000 people experience of claiming Employment Support Allowance or person and it's. Haven our funny shed more light on this that data shows we've got more like half a 1000000 people in one case it should be you know and the percentage is growing each year since 2013 we approached the Department of Work and Pensions and the Department for Communities in Northern Ireland so I asked them about these findings and they told us that the appeals that we'd seen a successful appeals only only made up a small percentage of all the benefits claimed both of those departments handled they said the health of her students were carried out by freshness with the right clinical experience and capture Maximus to the private companies carrying out those expense said the majority of people are satisfied with the process and they added that they work with charities and disabled people's organizations to improve their services further Alex home and this more information on the England section of the b.b.c. News website 17 minutes past 6 Britain has their full employment normally a sign that inflation will return and prices will rise but inflation is stubbornly refusing to return is dominant with that the rest of business days yes I think it's one of the many mysteries of the modern economy that inflation has gone on strike in October it was just 1.5 percent the lowest rate in 3 years and below the Bank of England's target of 2 percent later on we'll be talking about the bad news for investors in the new Woodford funds it's been confirmed they will be hit with big losses and talking about Google's move into banking but 1st the mystery of the missing inflation Vicky Pryce is a chief economic advisor and a board member at the Center for Economics and Business Research Good morning this group back a bit why do we have what is a Bank of England have an inflation target the taller of 2 percent most people think we don't want any information at all would that be the right way to do things actually not having inflation at all is quite worrying because it's very easy to take into deflation which generally means that people won't spend anything waiting for prices to go further down the drain deflation was one of the big things that crippled the world economy before Sycamore was an absolute and we saw pictures of deflation in the financial crisis and after the financial crisis and what. The various monitors are does have done is spend huge amounts of money inject a lot of liquidity in the economy to try and stop that from happening because it's very destabilizing on the other hand you have to watch that you don't move the other way too fast so over 2 percent is still perfectly Ok we've had periods of 5 percent inflation and we've been Ok but there's always a danger of it getting out of hand and then you need to raise interest rates stop the economy growing again so the cycles that we've seen in the past have tended to be cycles where inflation rose quite significantly and you had to do something to stop it we haven't been in that position now for quite some time so the order of the target is to have some kind of a happy main some kind of Goldilocks inflation rate you know which the economy naturally produces really this 2 percent growth and it's proved to be quite a sustainable one in terms of looking back and saying what it is is something that we could live with quite easily without need to do anything major about stopping it so in previous periods you know when you get full employment when the economy seems to be starting to run quite hot then inflation takes off but it hasn't happened it hasn't happened in America it hasn't happened here why not a number of reasons 1st of all globalization of course we've seen loads of cheap imports coming in so whatever the manager thought is May have been trying to do basically the world has moved to lower inflation rate anyway because of China and everything else that of course may come to an end disappoint as wages are going up in China and therefore goods will become more expensive but the consumers now get used to not paying very much for things so businesses cannot raise prices very easily even if their costs are going up in terms of wages which is precisely what's going on right now in the u.k. And you've seen what's going on in Europe too where inflation is just over one percent and the Europeans or the bank is now so worried is starting quantitative easing again so if they can't get their inflation target inflation has gone away should the central banks change what they're doing what people are talking about maybe changing inflation targets but the reality is when you look at what they are doing they haven't really themselves the Monetary Policy Committee or whatever they are another part of the world as well. It's not them who have brought inflation down it's not by being clever and doing anything at all it's really just the world the bigger forces because yes they work and right now of course we have a slowdown in the world economy the 2nd place we've seen oil prices which we thought begin to start rising in fact coming down and also of course what happens in the u.k. Has been happening in the BRICs it mayn't have been is that you can find more people to hire from elsewhere so you're not constrained the way you used to be in terms of having a labor force that was immovable if you like that was it and therefore wages immediately rose when demand was there and was getting high only an explanation for the missing inflation thanks very much for keep Rice from the Center for Economics and Business Research If you are unlucky enough to be an investor in the Neil Woodford Equity Income Fund you found out yesterday that you're going to lose at least a 3rd of your money that's the estimate from the people who are doing the liquidation from the from which is being closed a market schizos want to Shanty Kelman investment director at the private bank branch Shipley shanty this is a bit of a sorry tell for those who are invested in some people will feel quite grieved about all this yet particularly because in October they made an estimate that there Coppola be another 10 percent but the difference is that they thought they were going to try to continue the fund they wouldn't have to sell everything immediately and they've since they've changed their mind decided to close the fund they're selling all the assets they've appointed they've appointed bankers to do that when you're selling things in a hurry you often have quite a big discount people we have talked about this being some sort of crisis for the fund management industry that people won't trust fund managers any more difference over done or different Actually there is something quite serious here. So I think in the sort of unwinding process this fund in particular was doing a lot of things were risky there are limits on how much unlisted or private companies you can hold in funds for a reason and that's because they have low the quiddity they can be difficult to sell. So in this case I think we had to unwind it was unfortunate but his behavior isn't is not evident of what other people are doing and it's prompted a lot of concerns I know us as a wealth manager we think about liquidity a lot more when we look at which funds we'll invest in let's have a chat about what Tim Martin the boss of the pub changed with a sprinter to say yesterday in an up to an order trading update he just sort of dog diverged and went on a complete rant about corporate governance rules saying that they were a waste of time and in fact attacking some of the investors in his own company who were up holding these rules does he have a point you think it's because they are quite strict and inflexible of all these rules on the there are some things that feel a bit odd for example one of the things he was talking about was if you've been there more than 9 years you're no longer considered independent why why 9 years you know not 10 and you know for him he's been at that company for 30 plus years but I think the interesting thing if we take a step back is there is a lot more focus on corporate governance now there's a lot more focus from people who manage money on voting a company meetings are making sure we're being responsible shareholders and that's led to the rise of a lot of consulting companies to advise people because it is difficult to read through every single piece of information and let's just be changed later on in the program since if they are going to be talking to the force that society which is it has a new proposal on equal pay it's a sort of women working with men who they think are being paid more they should have a right by law to find out what those men are being paid go do. So if I were going to implement something like this and I'm not a politician I probably use a system like Sweden which is anyone can look at anyone else's tax return but the catch is that person will know that you love it and that system has worked fairly well in Sweden in terms of having a lower pay gap it also works in terms of catching people who might be trying to evade tax but I think just giving women the right isn't the answer if we're going to give to someone you know why not people who are minorities why not all people young people so ever everybody's pay should be disposable I think all or nothing all in my view thank you Ashanti Kellerman from Brown Shipley Now yesterday we talked if you remember about Google's move into holding medical records in the United States without actually patients or doctors knowing about it now there's a new move from Google into banking it's in talk to Citi Group and a small critic in the Stanford critic union in America to offer current accounts to customers stock to Stephanie here is a technology researcher and a cyber security expert and she joins us Stephanie should traditional banks be worried when Silicon Valley start to look at eating their lunch they should definitely feel that they've been put on notice this is showing that traditional banks particularly in the United States and a bit here in Western Europe as well are a bit behind really in what we've seen in Asia and particularly in China they really leapfrog into the next generation of financial services technology called in Tac and really we've seen the rest of the world catching up now so if you really want to look at innovation and finance you would look to China and things like we pay an alley pay to see how they're doing and then even goes into biometrics like being able to pay with your face it's not just paying with your smartphone like Google pay or Apple Pay it is it's very common for shops in Beijing not to accept any cash and talking they just they use the prevalent messaging systems which are which which of transmogrified into payment systems indeed but what about Google having access to your financial records would you be happy about that now. Google has said that they would not use anybody's days had just like they said yesterday of course that they won't take anybody's health data with this new relationship they have with Ascension The problem is that Google and many of the tech companies particularly in Valley have a really strong track record of saying they won't take data and then later on we find out that they did sometimes by accident sometimes deliberately we saw this with Google and deep mind when they acquired deep mind they said they were going to take any of that it data and of course they did and of course we had the Facebook situation Google would have access to data from your financial records pretty potentially your health records all the stuff from their smart speakers all the stuff from your search history they would know more about you than you know about yourself I suspect we're getting to this point where I think the way the companies will frame it is they're trying to create an ecosystem in which their customers would live a regulator is going to quickly start to ask the question when does an ecosystem become a cartel. Do you think they're actually taking that law now because there is a lot more interest from the u.s. Competition regulars I'm a has been in the past they're taking the line in terms of interest whether that will translate into action I think could depend on who wins the u.s. Presidential election next year I think Elizabeth Warren if she were for instance to be the victor would be much more aggressive on this than say Donald Trump or another Democratic candidate for instance we have to ask ourselves Are we moving into a world where it's going to be you know Google life or Apple life or Amazon life serious situation we have 2 or 3 Silicon Valley companies basically competing to run your life and you choose which ecosystem you join Yeah and you might even have some some non us examples you might have the Chinese companies at one as well it's probably going to be about $5.00 to $10.00 global companies that all of us around the world would choose from it hasn't happened so much in Europe as if we don't have Silicon Valley we don't have the Googles and Amazons but we do have tougher regulators I think or at least regulators who are much less comfortable with this kind of idea and a population that's a little bit less comfortable with all of this data gathering and collecting So that's another question is will we see consumers and. Addison's pushback will we see governments listen to that and empower regulators and finance them so that they can actually go after these firms issue enforcement guidelines issue fines if need be but also will we actually see firms really be challenged on the data that they're gathering all they need is one big screw up to set all of this back google off and soon idea thanks so much Stephanie here it's 28 minutes past 6 on time for the sport and Rob is here hi there morning after your singers rain Sterling is being given what looks like a firm assurance by manager got Southgate that he'll be back in the side for Sunday's International in Kosovo Sterling said Southgate is available for selection as they say following that spat with Joe Gomez and his exclusion from the side for tonight's match at Wembley against Montenegro and you can hardly get a stronger indorsement than this he's with the group that's the most important thing he's a massive part of what we do has been well very he's back with his team on the training pitch enjoying his football training superbly well as he always does from a very thing is finished well quite well Sterling will sit and watch tonight's game remains to be decided apparently But wherever he is ignorant against Montenegro where they will be an historic occasion correspondent John Murray now looks ahead to England's 1000 international fixture from which they need just a draw to confirm qualification for next year's European Championship finals England will begin the night looking back across 147 years of history and hope to end it looking forward with the certainty of qualification for Euro 2020 with Raheem Sterling sitting it out and Jordan Henderson suspended Gareth Southgate's team will be without the 2 men in the squad with 50 caps so their $1000.00 match will be played by one of the more inexperienced and youngest teams they'll be plenty of wisdom watching on from the stands though beside Sterling and Henderson with all surviving former captains managers players with 50 caps or more and $966.00 World Cup winners invited to attend what should be a grand occasion well elsewhere. English Premiership champion South sins have brought in a public relations company to help guide them through the fallout from their alleged breaches a salary cap regulations the club faces rising 92 this weekend as they begin the defense of their European Champions Cup title challenges then both on and off the pitch for director of rugby McCall adversely always tests what you say you are coming pretty serious you were kind of diversity at the moment over the years when I 1st has come our way with the pretty well this is obviously probably inverse of a different level negative emotions are Karkare serious moments tennis in Greece is stuff on a city passes between Alexander's that if in straight sets to reach the semifinals at the a.t.p. Finals in London while. The match point to be done Medvedev and keep alive his hopes of reaching the semifinals and Britain's Jason Smyth won gold medals at the World Power Athletics Championships in Dubai sort of the tip Sedgefield 135 number 2 House Fortune 340 number one was Thank you Rob tomorrow night b.b.c. 4 is turning on b.b.c. For most of the great art comes out of messed up situations that's what jazz is born out of a story of a label that have to the parents of its musician had the freedom to make man music he would stand behind what he believed in even if it wasn't selling and the innovators. Music as we take in stride piano and turn it inside out broke the rules of bebop wish broke the rules or whatever came before that record beyond the next tomorrow night at 930. The time now is 29 minutes to 7 you're listening today on b.b.c. Radio 4 with the Robinson and Martha Carney he is Neil Slade with a summary of the news the home secretary pretty good Salazar that immigration will fall if the Conservatives win the general election it's not yet clear by how much or by when the Tories have failed to keep their promise to cut net migration to the 10s of thousands a year at the last 3 elections Ms Patel will also accuse labor of being prepared to let immigration surge if they form the next government. New research suggests there were between 800001 point 2000000 illegal immigrants living in the u.k. In 2017 The estimate was produced by the nonpartizan Pew Research Center in Washington it suggests that the u.k. Was host to about a quarter of all unauthorized migrants in Europe the outgoing president of the European Council Donald Tusk has told British remain as not to give up on stopping banks it in a speech in Belgium last night Mr said that while the process of leaving the e.u. Was in extra time it could still go to penalties labor is promising to close the pay gap between men and women within a decade if it wins power the party's plan includes fines for employers which failed to disclose their figures the conservatives are accusing labor of over promising something it can't deliver. Donald Trump percent he can't remember a phone call at the center of new revelations from the 1st public hearings of his impeachment inquiry America's most senior diplomat in Ukraine Bill Taylor claims that Mr Trump was overheard calling the u.s. Ambassador to the e.u. To see how far Kiev had gone in launching an inquiry into his political rival Joe Biden President Trump denies any wrongdoing officials in Gaza say an Israeli airstrike has killed 6 members of the same family there have been 2 days of cross border violence after the Israeli military killed an Islamic Jihad commander who was suspected of planning an attack there are reports that cease fire had been agreed but this is not yet been confirmed by Israel. N.h.s. England's final performance figures ahead of the general election are to be published later this morning they will show how hospitals have done on key targets such as waiting times in Accident and Emergency and for cancer treatment which haven't been met for nearly 4 years Thanks Neal it's 27 minutes to 7 it looks like immigration will be the main focus in the election today always a contentious issue presenting both conservatives and labor with electoral difficulties Let's talk snow in Smith assistant political editor and long been hearing in the bulletin is about the conservative pledge that immigration will full but not too many details on that no we I guess know 2 things this morning we know that the conservatives are going to commit to reduce overall immigration and we also know they are desperate to make immigration an issue in this election on the former pretty Patel has committed to cutting over all levels of immigration but has not set any target or figure and I doubt very very much if when the manifesto is produced we will get the target all figure given the conspicuous and repeated failure of the conservatives to meet their previous tens of thousands figure Added to which Boris Johnson as always had a much more liberal approach to immigration so I doubt we're going to get that sort of target on the issue of immigration though it's clear that the Tories want to get this up and running as an issue in this election I was just looking through my old deleted emails and I calculate over the past week I've had 4 separate emails from the Conservative Party attacking labor over their support or alleged support for freedom of movement and the reason or beastly the Tories want to get this up and running is because it played very well for the leave side in the bricks and referendum and bluntly because they believe Labor is vulnerable over this issue of freedom of movement and a lot of this stems for. A vote at the Labor Party conference to maintain and extend free movement rights but that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to pan party manifesto that will be decided this Saturday at what's called the clause 5 meeting when Labor hammer out their manifesto but I have to say all the signs are that Labor is going to commit to some form of freedom of movement even if it's rebadged or not called that and we got I think the 1st clear indication of that yesterday on this program in the shadow health check quickly John Ashworth confirmed that n.h.s. Work as a unit as work in the n.h.s. Would still be able to operate under freedom of movement rules and of course the question then is well if you're going to have freedom of movement in the n.h.s. Why not in other hard pressed. Sections of the public sector why not for example local authority care workers and then have it there why not in sections of the private sector and we've got I think intervening on this is well if you're not he is very wary of that because he fears it will have damaging repercussions in labor leave seats where the party will be seen as backtracking on its 2017 manifesto but you know the party does want to negotiate a new deal with the e.u. Which involves membership of a customs union and close alignment with the single market then freedom of movement goes hand in hand with that Norman many things 23 minutes to 7 o'clock would a prime minister Gordon agree to hold another referendum on Scottish independence the answer to that seems to depend on which Jeremy Corbin you were listening to yesterday on a campaigning visit to Scotland he said several different things in reply to the same question James Shore Ascot and girls bonnet was listening and now faces questions again today where James Yes I think you will there were there were 2 versions really of what Jeremy Corbyn was saying about an independence referendum referendum the standard line from labor is that they would not allow a 2nd independence referendum in Scotland in the court's early years of a New Labor. Administration but then during the course of yesterday that formulation changed and the Labor leader said was that they wouldn't allow it in the 1st term in other words 5 the 1st 5 years of the Labor Government then someone perhaps gently put to Mr back on track and later in the day he returned to the formulation I mean it may seem like a subtle distinction but it matters because whether or not labor agrees to an independence referendum that will determine whether or not the s.n.p. Will support in any way a Labor government why did they have to get him back on track James we know that the u.k. Strategy is for labor a very nervy of the claim that we remember David Cameron making that labor and the . Threat if you like to the country but the politics is of course different in Scotland so what is it they would have been saying to him about getting his words right. I think treading a very delicate line here on the one hand they don't want to alienate people who support the union people who might want to vote Labor and support the union but on the other hand they may need to rely on the s.n.p. To to be in government Nicholas Turgeon said yesterday was that labor had to agree to the principle of an independence referendum and that it was up to people in Scotland the people of Scotland to decide when that would happen now in the past she said that it would have to be a referendum next year as soon as 2020 she didn't actually seem to say that yesterday now whether she was leaving a tiny bit of wiggle room for Labor if she's anticipating some sort of negotiation after the referendum she might deny that but it leaves open the possibility perhaps thank you 21. How good is your local hospital and meeting national targets a n e cancer and waiting times for operations. The figures for n.h.s. England which have been met for 4 years are released today let's talk to heap him on health editor and hear any sense of what we're likely to get. Well Martha these figures do vary a bit from month to month but we do know that in October and it don't really a lot of hospitals were finding the was intense pressure in a in a so that figure will be watched closely other key targets include the 2 month wait for cancer treatment and the 18 week wait for routine surgery and all not one none of them I should say have been met since February 26th 18 in England and on that issue a couple of organizations are saying today recall of a College of Surgeons and vs arthritis that that 18 week waiting target for routine operations must be firmed up because it's in legislation even though there's a review of these targets going on and they've called for party leaders to come out and say they will keep that target unless there's compelling evidence that there is something better because they say it's absolutely vital for people waiting for hip and knee replacements in pain to know that the n.h.s. Is at least trying to meet it even though it hasn't done so for some little while the total waiting list now is 4400000 the highest since records began waiting for operations the number quite a lot will get it done within 18 weeks but there are more than 650000 hoopy waiting for longer than that and the Nuffield Trust a saying to join up will be the chief economist that it could take 4 years to get back to these targets never mind the sort of money that political parties have been talking about for the n.h.s. In recent days is it possible to say why some hospitals are able to meet the targets and others aren't. Well you go around different hospitals and some have really focused on there any target treating or assessing people within 4 hours getting the flow right through the hospital ensuring that there are no log jams getting G.P.'s near the front door a lot depends on. Relationships with local social care providers ensuring that the right people end up in hospital and those who need treatment and to be treated in the community that does happen but some really struggle and often it's because of local organizations finding it more difficult to keep people out of hospital so there is a lot of variation across England he Many thanks it is 18 minutes to 7 let's take a look at the papers news websites the Guardian looks at the divisions within Labor on its front page it says that a call for the leader of the you know union Len McCluskey to curb free movement has infuriated Party activists who've been campaigning for pro migration stance Mr McCluskey suggest that it's important to grasp the concerns people who voted leave have about migrant workers Jeremy Corbyn the Guardian notes has not been drawn into the debate saying the issue will be discussed this weekend Boris Johnson is pitch it in several papers visiting the flooded areas of South Yorkshire way he faced criticism from residents the Daily Mirror in the sun used the same headline to describe his visit sandbags The Daily Telegraph uses a striking aerial image taken by a drone on its front page shiny extent of the flooding in Lincolnshire where road disappears into a muddy sea he creates a massacre the photos of Venice in the papers where tourists are shown wading through thought I highly flawed horses the 1st day of the public impeachment hearings into Donald Trump so millions of Americans glued to their t.v. Screens the Daily Mail reports the New York Times suggests that the evidence of wrongdoing by President drum is overwhelming the paper says witnesses were credible and clear a story alarming however the l a times declares that there wasn't enough in the hearing that would move public opinion sufficiently to persuade the Senate to convict the President it was the paper concludes a lost day for the Democrats the Financial Times warns that some of the U.K.'s most popular health Web sites are sharing people sensitive data with dozens of global companies involved in targeting adverts the f.t. Suggests symptoms. Pushed into web M.D.'s Checa were shared with Facebook all the cycle data from Baby Center ended up with Amazon Marketplace and most states it went to Google's advertising arm double click the companies all deny any wrongdoing Google insists no information is used for personalized adverts makes a similar response and Facebook says it's investigating saying such a practice would violate its rules according to The Telegraph the real large James bombs may enjoy a drink multitrack pickle beach hotel but rather the bar in the headquarters of 6 in central London the head of the Secret Intelligence Service around its younger explains the giving spies on the lam to talk even to the coaches friends about their work they do need a place where they can however he doesn't reveal whether the bar it is to Bob's recipe for the perfect body shake not stop at 16 minutes to 7 the political parties have to decide today he will stand for them in each constituency after a campaign seeing candidates quitting all over the country at mid embarrassment spats and scandals in this money are wells arland of Anglesey the Tories selected a former m.p. Had been convicted of making a false expenses claim only for him to stand down out after an outcry from their loss Hawkins reports. In the passenger terminal at the port of Holyhead applied Camry Candida added up to have a through flex on his conservative rivals they know little and care even less about the people in a small town to have the temerity to think the Christie base was a suitable candidate in the 1st place he's talking about the former m.p. For Breckon in Mid Wales Chris Davis who was convicted of an expenses offense clearing churchyards it was Mo ing it was streaming that was him back in the summer talking to me about his community service he was thrown out by voters in Brecon about selected this week to fight this seat and then he quit that road. Alone and the Tories were chatting about it. Even at their headquarters here the conservatives in Wells didn't have any more for me to talk to today and outside the local association the blinds are down the curtains are drawn. And from what I can see there's no other homeless survey no one answered the Tories who came 2nd last time are expected to select someone throw the Lib Dems in the Greens won't Clyde Curry stands alone for an alliance of remain parties though it's not clear how you vote if you back the alliance but not an independent Wales so you don't like the prospect of the wrench of leaving the European Union but think that Wales would benefit from the prospect of the huge wrench of leaving the United Kingdom we want a very very close and productive relationship with England Scotland and Ireland it's a huge disruption you're proposing and while it's not a destruction you talk Labor would like to dodge destruction by holding this long standing m.p. Having retired I meet their new candidate Mary Roberts also remain or during uni holidays can come and eat fish and chips in that they're on home turf by the beach she's pointing out that voters aren't only thinking about bricks it they're also concerned about other things as well concerned about jobs they're concerned about the n.h.s. They're concerned about the availability of housing though as she twice supported Jeremy cauldrons rivals rather than him in leadership elections had to ask is the current leader a net asset or a net detraction in terms of trying to get votes. Like I said I. I genuinely think that people here. Are much more concerned about the broader message. Jeremy called it not the end of the day and when I push he says he is an asset. Those the remainders I meet the bricks at parties can and have in general looking out at that ferry terminal what I speak to people in the door they're saying to me in whilst me just each of us and we want out we just want it done now and as there are plans to cope with her preferred out here Brett sit without a departure do meaning places for hundreds of waiting lorries I ask her about them I just don't think there will be any problems with them but you don't know anything about those preparations. No I know the top of my head right now but I could so I could certainly get back to you with that she certain though all the about the same thing as her plight and labor competitors the debate is not done and what happens on this island could just perhaps affect its future. Ross Hawkins reporting and a full list of candidates for in a small will be available on the b.b.c. Website after nominations close and just a reminder we're going to be broadcasting live from Cardiff University tomorrow if you'd like tickets that available from shows and to us on the b.b.c. Website. 12 minutes to 7 or more were 11 minutes deserve an entry today's puzzle for today has been set by David Russell Jones professor of diabetes and a chronology at the University of Surrey it is well diabetes day to day I've just seen a patient in the clinic he writes he's well and he's 80 years old he's had diabetes for 61 years I mean been diagnosed at age 19 in 1958 between the areas of 905-8966 he had one injection a day between 66 and 74 he had 2 injections a day and since then 4 injections a day Sammy injections he had to give himself in his life to date assuming a change regimen each time on his birthday of 30th of June It's 11 minutes to 7 not a national emergency that headline on the front page of the Yorkshire Post came to symbolize Boris Johnson's flat footed response to the floods yesterday the prime minister finally visited don't cast the paper published a list of what it said were fully flooding fate is which make Jeremy Corbyn look credible I've been speaking to the editor of the Yorkshire Post James Mitchinson I think it was a combination of all front page very clear anger and frustration people of the gun violence and I think Mr Jones was backed into a corner when he received a letter from Jericho Burnett so. It's not an. National emergency front page helped and it certainly helped that it was reset on social media several times I actually think it was the situation itself and the peril of the people finding themselves in that action is to jump into a call of given the reception he got Do you think politically it was a mistake for him to put himself through that I think it's a mistake not to act soon a nickname you see people come from to Prime Minister with you took your time Boris it doesn't go to any time never mind in the room to a general election and to see a prime minister heckled like that and rightly so by the way for not responding to the floods in a prime ministerial way it really doesn't look good in a route to a general election and one individual cities responded like one of Lord Sugar's worst apprentice not knowing where to start some autumn in relatively straightforward task for any competent leader never mind a leader of a developed nation one of the only because you published 5 things you thought he got wrong because sometimes confronted these policies a recount would get you as a politician and you got to stop it writing and you can actually stop it flooding either not in the short term and they say listen nobody blames Boris Johnson for the rain but I think what people expected was a swift response from the prime minister no response so we can late and it doesn't look good when you pictured flushing them up around the shop splashing water on the walls and actually would've been better off pictured at the head of a table chairman a Cobra meeting so it was the failure to react and when he did react doing it in the wrong way do you think there are political consequences that law in that it would have been different if the floods a bit in summary is one I suspect plays wrong badly for the Tories in Yorkshire it's echoing around the north that's for sure but I don't like this mentality where we in the north of pits it against people in Surrey with a lot of the Flies mentality the fact is no it doesn't look good the people have done badly needed their prime minister a week ago he needs their votes. The 2 don't marry And finally do you think James this will pass in campaigning even if for the actual victims of the flood it lives on for months if not years Mr Johnson or if it passes Nick but I don't think it will and I'm sitting here waiting for a train down to London in the rain is coming down it's forecast to get heavier in David Cameron's member was when he's talking about how he had to respond to the floods he said sometimes the prime ministry of the response what Nature throws it even I'm just not sure Mr Johnson got it right on this occasion James Richardson editor of the occupiers thanks for joining us it's 8 minutes to 7 controversial comments about rape anti Semitic remarks Islamophobia tweets many political candidates are having their controversial past turned against them today as we've been hearing from Ross is the deadline for the selection and the snap election has made that process rather more hit and miss the normal time Hamilton was a Labor Party advise if a 10 years I'm still 2018 working in Party's policy in it which was responsible for vetting candidates Good morning good morning and you must have lived in fear about what kind of newspaper headlines were going to a marriage over some of your candidates Well yeah I mean but I think the thing that I would start by saying is that the policy you know it's all there in Syria is responsible for that in kind of that that's not mostly what it's doing and it isn't doing very much it has got a lot of other things statements and that makes Well you know what the party's policies were to be and you know working with the Opposition's policies are trying to respond to them say things like the case of Newcastle but this is by just how vetting candidates whether you it the parties will spend quite a lot of time looking at their opposition's candidate says Well well that's right I mean I think it's probably fair to say that the Labor Party has a better sense of the problems of the Conservative party's candidates than it does of its own party parties bystanders and probably vice versa in part of the serious . If you think of the things that are tripping a lot of a lot of kind of the obvious past tweets think of that if they say that they said they shouldn't have said Sun Some time ago and if you think about what it would take to vets the hundreds of candidates who are standing in seats that Labor doesn't even have a hope of winning the amount of resource that would have to go into going through all of people's past statements that are on the record let alone the possibility of being tripped up by something that comes at the hadn't previously been on the record it's a vast job that realistically parties aren't going to do what we used to do in a suit elections basically when we had a super for 5 year cycle we had time to do it was to spend quite a lot of time the Conservative Party candidates their researching and their backgrounds and past statements to see if there were any stories that we could drop in as the election approached we just don't have the time or the personnel to do that on on your own time particularly when you think about the fact that there are there is 3 or 400 candidates who have no hope of winning and b. Have come through a selection process where there's been 2 or 3 other people who clearly ought to have your blessing on done on them but that also can't be done see books that you know easily a 1000 people and what if he may have done something dodgy Menefee and you have any site or because you just don't have the results to do it so you focus on the more high profile can do that some and not on the ones where you think you don't stand a chance you do and if this if for example there's a by election midterm you do have a bit of time to just check out people who you think alike as your candidates could do anything with your want to see you have to do 2 or 3 people they say if you do you have to do hundreds it's it's not that feasible and the other thing to point out is that the the decisions about selections made partly by by the local party you can choose overlook some of the stuff and partly by your listeners and bite but by the ne c. And there are all sorts of other reasons why people might want to put people forward there are reasons political reasons why people might want to overlook certain things I hope they get they get dealt with I mean we're a way that they're at their M.P.'s Tony in Parliament for all parties who've done slightly dodgy things. In the parts that we probably knew about the 1st place but where it was it was made Nevertheless this is something that population would like to see and all and I suppose much easier to find out about people's views in the past because of social media rather than having to trawl through our tired old election leaflets or overheard conversations Yes exactly and although in some ways that makes it easier it also just increases the scale of the task in a world in which no one really said anything very much on the record at school and so we went to. The point is that being elected and now people can have years worth of saying all sorts of things about whatever they think about stuff in the news in the public that is that the yes thousands thousands of thousands of words per kind of that most of it is trivial and that's not where interest rates are this is want somebody to do it you go to your employer Tom Hamilton many thanks indeed for talking to us 3 minutes to 7 what's the weather got in store for us has Thomas one of your guests or a year and there's been quite a lot of it overnight lashings of rain in southern parts of the u.k. It's been really soggy throughout the middle and as well on top of that we've had some snow across the world chills and currently the Met Office is forecasting some snow in fact a warning a yellow warning across parts of western ukase mostly across the hills through this morning. Maybe centimeter covering here in that it's also very chilly this morning temperatures are barely above freezing in many areas so what can we expect a little bit later on this morning and until around about lunchtime say well actually let's start with some good news because there is some sunshine on offer and that's for today for Scotland Northern Ireland the Lake District the northeast of England suspect Merseyside also some sunshine for you here today there will be some clouds will be some passing showers but on the whole I don't think it's looking too bad at all it will be cold temperatures will be averaging only around 5 degrees of course more northern parts of the u.k. For. Further south of that it's often cloudy outbreaks of rain heavy at times certainly later this morning and lunchtime through the Midlands and some of that rain unfortunately is heading north woods towards parts of South Yorkshire say where we've had that flooding. The temperatures in the southern parts of the u.k. Also on the chilly side any around say 5 degrees and then tonight the rain continues across central parts of the u.k. . Thanks so much the next hour of this program the beauty of Helen wooden horse the myth and reality of Troy and we'll also be hearing from the Army officer tasked with leading the cleanup of the Yorkshire floods today is the birthday of His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales. Good morning at 7 o'clock on Thursday the 14th of November the headlines this morning the conservatives are promising to cut immigration if they form the next government despite failing to deliver on previous commitments one of the most senior officials in the European Union has urged remain as not to give up their fight against BRICs as president Trumbo said he can't remember a phone call which has become central to the attempts to impeach him the b.b.c. News is read this morning by Neil sleet the home secretary pretty Batalla said that immigration will fall under a Conservative government the Tories are committed to ending freedom of movement with the e.u. After breaks it and introducing a points based immigration system but they won't be setting a target having broken previous promises to cut net migration to the 10s of thousands a year because Patel claimed there would be a surge in immigration under a Labor government Political Correspondent Chris Mason reports just last week on this program the Home Office minister Victoria racoons was repeatedly unable to answer when asked whether the conservatives wanted immigration to be higher or lower if they win the election now her boss the home secretary pretty Patel is explicit we will reduce immigration overall she says but it's not yet clear precisely how by how much or by when in 2010 then in 2015 and again in 2017 the conservatives said they want to cuts net migration the number of people arriving here minus the number leaving to belie 100000 a year it was never achieved and that promise it won't be renewed but pretty Patel is confident her more vague promise can be kept by delivering Bracks it's the Tories are seeking to contrast their instincts with what they claim would be a massive increase in immigration under Labor something Labor say is knowingly misleading We don't yet know what Jeremy Corbyn will commit to in his manifesto the general secretary of the Unites trade union Len McCluskey has told the Guardian any greater freedom of movement of labor would be wrong. New research suggests that there were between 800001 point 2000000 illegal immigrants living in the u.k. In 2017 The estimate was produced by the nonpartizan Pew Research Center in Washington it suggests that the u.k. Was host to about a quarter of all.