Hello. Im ray suarez. Secretary of state kerry is corralling commitments from governments as the United States figures out how to destroy the gorilla force that calls itself the Islamic State. But a complicated flowchart would emerge. The saudis and qatarees have good relations with the United States, but have been snarling at each other. U. S. Leaders despite the government in tehran, but both the u. S. And the islamic we re republic are friends with the shiite group in iraq. But the u. S. And iran on different sides right next door in syria where washington would love to undermine the government of Bashar Alassad, while iran supports it. And both support the destruction of the Islamic State, which is also trying to bring down assad. Turkey also wants to defeat the Islamic State, but wants to do it without embolding the kurds. This latest turmoil in the middle east has created a strange alliance. Some 30 nations from around the world met in paris discussing how to destroy the Islamic State or isil. Translator the message is very clear, no country will be abandoned if it were to be attacked by terrorists. Reporter mondays conference included diplomats from europe, gulf states and others cautiously broaching the idea of forming an Unprecedented Coalition lead by the u. S. France has already agreed to help the u. S. In its air campaign. Translator the fight of the iraqi people against terrorists is ours as well as we have to about together, and there is no time to lose. Australia pledged 600 troops and eight fighter jets, and the United Kingdom may join the alliance soon. We cannot just walk on by if we were to keep this country safe. We have to confront this mem noise. Step by step we must drive back, dismantle and destroy isil and what it standings for. Saudi arabia and the United Arab Emirates are two gulf states supporting the u. S. s mission. After generations of religious and political strife in the region, a United Arab Army on the front lines in iraq and syria will be a challenge for the u. S. To put together. On inside story last week, Graham Allison summed it up like this. Its a mine field full of mines, because the fishers among the parties who will be part of this coalition of the weird, that is parties that hate each other almost more than isil, but isil is the enemy of everybody. The enemy of iran, assad, saudi, bagdad, the enemy of civilization. Irans foreign minister was not invited to paris. Irans support for Bashar Alassad makes irans presence inappropriate. Irans Supreme Leader said monday kerry sought irans cooperation privately earlier. But iran refused. Their american hands are dirty. How can we cooperate with thoses who hands are dirty. They will come across the same problems they face in iraq in the last ten years. White house chief of staff continued to rally for u. S. This is obviously a complicated effort, and thats why the president is going about this in a painstaking and prudent fashion. We will take the fight to our enemies without putting Ground Troops into the effort. We need Ground Troops, thats why we want this program to train the opposition that is currently pending in congress. The next conference will be hosted by bahrain, a date hasnt yet by set. They wi the fight against the Islamic State this hour on the program. In his speech to the nation last week, the president said he would pull together an International Coalition against isil and americans will not have to send Ground Troops. Joining us for that conversation, professor of Security Studies at georgetown university. Director of the center for middle east studies, and senior fellow at the center for american progress. If we were to poll all of the people we saw at that table and ask them about what they saw after this was all over, many would have mutually contra drikry versions of a post isil middle east, but they would agree they want that organization gone. Thats right. Is that enough . Sit enough in the shortterm, and here is why. Every member of the coalition has a different agenda, different capabilities and different restraints, but they all face a common threat, and to the extent they recognize that threat as being real, credible and the extent the United States can play the role of mediator, they all share a common interest in confronting this adversary. Joshua is there a enough of a track record to make us believe many of these countries can set aside their own differences to work on this challenge . Iraq seems to be quite doable. The problem is in syria. Very few partners in syria. We dont want to work with the syria government. Assad still owns about 50 of syria, and more than that in the percentage of people. And amongst the rebels, about 70 of the rebels dont want the United States to come in, because they are worried that we are going to work with the Free Syria Army or about 40,000 rebels and about 70 groups that are not coordinating, but 70 groups that we have been funding and helping in the past. So they are worrying that if we help those, that were going to get that were going to help some fighters against others, and that were going to turn this into a battleground that will turn one syrian against the other. So there have been a lot of resistance to this u. S. Effort. Syria. Lawrence you saw the ayatollah, he didnt say dont help at all. He said dont bomb syria. Thats right. And i think joshua is right. There is a big difference between iraq and syria. In iraq, we do have not only the help of the iranians. We finally got an influencive government, we have the peshmerga on the ground, and some of the Shiite Militia that iran is putting in there, so thats a completely different thing than syria. But we have to get over it. Who did we ally ourselves with in world war ii . The soviet union. Then we had 50year cold war that we had to deal with them. Franko in spain allied with us against the soviet union. I think you get help where you can. But is there danger in syria . Yeah, i understand your point about sometimes not being able to pick your shortterm friends, but is there danger in syria that just doesnt exist in iraq where theres wider agreement on how to proceed . Oh, definitely. Its a completely different thing. And the president was quite right when he went into iraq the way we did. We had a moral responsibility. We created the mess there, so i think we had to do something. And the president said im not going to do anything until i get an inclusive government, which is really the future, and they are going to have to determine it. But this reminds me of the holy roman empire, the Free Syria Army. So its much more difficult to figure out who your Ground Forces are going to be there. The president walks right up to the edge last week. He didnt say the United States is definitely going to start strikes in syria, but left it open as a possibility. Why that careful word wording . Well, he has got to see where this goes. He can contain u. S. Strategy has been to contain violence in syria. This summer isis captured a big hunk of iraq, and that alerted us. We feel responsibility to iraq, and it was important to push them back. The problem here is with the destroy part. We can easily degrade and contain isis. Destroying them completely may be further than we can go in a year and a half. If you take an example like the big city in syria, capitol of the whole eastern region, center for isis. If we bombed isis there, who would take over the city in the regime has a giant airport and base close to the stern center of the city, and alqaeda dominated the city before the government took it over. So theres some bad choices on the ground. We would parachute in free syria troops, but thats a hard thing to do. In a lot of the analysis of the president s speech there has been that doubt about the destroy part. But with these coalition partners, can you help dry up the recruiting groups, and the funding, but bringing other people with you, does it make it more possible to do actually destroy, rather than merely incapacitate or make life difficult for . Right. So i would say that the coalition is necessary in order to proceed both in iraq and especially in syria, but its never going to be sufficient and its not going to be sufficient in the shortterm. If you look at the u. S. Approach, the focus is going to be twofold, the first is on limited targeted drone strikes to the extent that our intelligence would allow, thats part of the reason the president made reference to yemen and somali, and youll see an even fort to try to figure out who within the coalition of coalitions that is the Free Syrian Army actually represent credible people that we can work with. And here the administration, i agree with my colleagues, has a real problem. When i was in yemen in 2012, and the army was using american air power to push alqaeda out of the two provinces that they had taken over in the south, we did a pretty good job as functioning as an axillary air force. But as soon as that campaign was over, the United States didnt have the relationships or intelligence capabilities that allowed us to see into the local tribal leaders that were fighting house to house. Syria is a far bigger war, far more players, and if we dont Start Building those relationships and intelligence networks, our longterm strategy in syria is going to be a very light footprint indeed. We need to take a short break, when we return well talk about the need to defeat the Islamic State on the ground. Stay with us. Trafficked labor on the front lines . Theyre things, theyre commodities. We go undercover. It isnt easy to talk at this base whats happing on u. S. Bases . The tax payer directly pays the human trafficker fault lines Al Jazeera Americas hard hitting. Theyre blocking the doors. Ground breaking. They killed evan dead. Truth seeking. They dont wanna see whats really going on break though investigative documentary series americas war workers only on Al Jazeera America on tech know, fire, devastating and out of control whats at stake here . Theres approximately 360 homes. But now experts say they can predict how a blaze might spread this has been in a fire, now we gotta get the data out of it playing with fire. You guys are working just to save lives. I hope so. Tech know every saturday go where science meets humanity sharks like affection spot on. Dont try this at home. Tech know, only on Al Jazeera America welcome back to inside story. Im ray suarez. This time the Unusual Alliance cobbled toot to fight the Islamic State. Last week president obama told americans u. S. Ground troops would not be involved in going after the Islamic State. And that others would carry the fight to the Guerilla Army while the u. S. Attacks from the sky. Many other Alliance Members are telling their people the same thing. Can this be an airbased campaign, on the part of all the big nations involved. And just or the weekend larry, u. A. E. , the unit Arab Emirates and the saudis announced theyd send planes and be part of that. France last week said the same thing. Sounds like the idea of just bombing this group is very popular, but not necessarily sending in soldiers. Its popular for a few reasons, it doesnt mean lives lost and doesnt inflame the local population. I dont think it is a problem in iraq, theres the peshmerga, and some of the iraqi military, now theres an inclusive government, and the shia militias, the problem is syria. And at some point they may be ready, but it will not happen quickly. As has been pointed out here, in syria, no matter what you do, youll help someone you dont want to help, okay. If you get i. S. I. S. Out, you bring in al nusra, the al qaeda offshoot or, you know, Bashar Alassad. I think the hope would be in syria that we could do a decapitation strike like we did with osama bin laden, and hopefully at some point have the russians interseed to come up with a negotiated solution, you know, down the down the road. Its hard to see, you know, us go in and take it over on the ground. Professor landis, does that willingness signal a squeamishness or a complication of how complicated this is once soldiers are standing on terra firma. Absolutely. Turkey is reluctant. Most of the i. S. I. S. , and the rebels go back and forth between turkey. They have refused to join in the military side of this and allowing us to use the bases and others to fly military sortees. They will join us in resupply efforts, but not on the military side. That is because they dont think we should prescribe the al qaeda wing, and some other islamists force, that they want to see brought into the rebels, we disagree with the neighbourhood over who the good guys are or bad guys are. The vast majority of rebels in syria are islamist. They want a form of Islamic State. They do not trust in democracy, or the islamic front or so forth. It makes it difficult for america to work with them, but not others in the neighbour hood. Whether its the saudis or the turks. We are not on the same page, that is the squeaky wheels, no one wants to commit the troops, if they dont know who they are aligned with. Professor swift. If you dont agree who the bad guys are, you dont agree on who you should be killing. The difficulty comes with if we get back to the issue of coordinating a third front or force, that is neither i. S. For the asaad regime. We had a 3sided civil war in syria or for the better part of two years, its not something that the west or the region created, but it is something we have to contend with, part of the process of identifying who we can work with and whether we can work with is going to be managing the issues and relationships. In dieing up the chores, the saudi arabias were assigned the training of an Army Fighting inside syria against i. S. I. L. Well see how much they are going to do or are willing to do. The first step will be identifying where the adversary is, and who we can work with. I want to mention one thing. Larry mentioned a decapitation approach. If you look at the kinds of campaigns that have been effective, air campaigns that have been effective against groups like this, including pakistan and elsewhere, they are the cam pawns where drones and air strikes hollow out middle management, separating the scene from foot soldiers. Thats a strategy precipitating organizational collapse, as we gain intelligence, i think youll see a shift between the hollowing out strategy, rather than decap station. Well have more in a moment. When we come back ill ask my guests about the act of roping regional rooefls into partnership with each other. Will it allow them to paper over their differences, will a sustained struggle against the Islamic State carry with it the responsibility of calming longstanding regional tensions. Stay with us. Controversial. Both parties are owned by the corporations. Entertaining its fun to play with ideas. Thought provoking get your damn education. 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Well, the big problem, and is the sunni shiite divide that has really split the middle east right down the middle. We are trying to bring these two sides together on syria. Its going to be very difficult to do. And were for getting the Syrian People here. The sunnis sunni arabs, or 70 of the syrian population, the government is dominated by shiite alawites, and these shoenys are trapped between a bagdad government which is still very sectarian, and assads government, very sectarian, and they are caught in these vice grips, unless we ultimately find a solution for the sunnis caught in the middle, were never going to clear up the isis problem, which is extremism, fighting to gain a voice. Many sunnis do not like isis, but they dont like assad even more. And they dont like the government in bagdad. And we talk about an inclusive government in bagdad, this government is far from inclusive. Were coating it over, and presending he has brought in some sunnis into government, but they with are week sunnis. And its not clear that we are going to win a sunni center to make this a fight against the extremists. Does this new alliance push that day of reckoning further away or bring it closer in . I think all things being considered it is not going to it, but it brings it closer. The saudis have reached out. You have had the iraqis and iranians come visit them, so it does give them the opportunity right . Yes, they they are. And and i think it does give you this opportunity. I think the processor is right about the government in bagdad. We have to keep pressure on them. If you want us to help you, you have to be become more inclusive. And the final analysis is up to them. They have got to solve it. It gives you the opportunity, but its not going to be easy. The sense that this is going to be a longterm thing started to set in right after the speech. Does that make all of this harder . That you have to keep these people in harness for perhaps years . It makes it harder and that much more important. Theres a nearterm game, and a longterm game, and this administration and its Successful Administration have to play both of them. If you look at the middle east even over the last ten years, you see the break down of old orders and equal lib reums and efforts to create new ones. We saw with this the arab spring, and the sunni shiite divide, and in the rise of organizations like isil, which is also seeking a new kind of equilibrium in the region. So everything we do in the shortterm has got to be tailored in such a fashion that we are eaching a new equilibrium. Sometimes war can do that. Effect. Gentlemen thank you all. That brings us to the end of this edition of inside story. Thanks for being with us. In washington, im ray suarez. On america tonight an internal battle . The president tries to calm worries about the u. S. Role in iraq, contradicting his own top military advisor. The American Forces that have been deployed to iraq do not and will not have a combat mission. But the president is campaigning for his plan to put more fire power into the fight against i. S. I. L. Selling th