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When it comes to running a successful business, do the personal politics of the ceo matter . It depends on the politics and the business were discussing the resignation of mozil la could you founder branden ike. Hes out because of supporting the banning of samesex marriage. Is this a question of being able to do something perhaps even having the arguments on your side, but not necessarily being the right thing to do just because you can. Well, i think thats right. Both sides need to be thinking about the optics of the situation, and it looks really bad if gay people starts to look like were treating other people the way we were once treating ourselves. It not only looks bad, it not only sets up the story of gay bullies which the religious right are trying to develop, but it is also the wrong thing we did. We have lived in the closet for decades. We know how painful that is. We want to let them explain why theyre wrong. Professor, i want to go back whether there is a difference between these ideas and deeds. You noted and correctly so that its a different thing once brendan ike gives money to an organization that is actively working for the passage of this bill. But there may be haters in board rooms across the country. If they simply are that and dont do anything are they left in peace . If there are people who privately hold the convictions that gay people are worthy of hate and marginalization but dont make a big deal out of it, are they to be left alone . I think this brings up one of my disagreements with jonathans comments. I agree with the substance. No one shouldwe shouldnt be in the business of attacking people just like we have been attacked. However, i disagree with the language that jonathan is using, and i disagree with what were thinking about with this question. The Gay Community is not monolithic movement. Not everyone got together and started, quote unquote started bullying this gentleman into submission. The terms that we have been using has been insulting. I dont want to suggest that that might be the case or lead us along the lines that this would suggest that were, in fact, bullying. But we are not bullies no matter what our opinions are there is no one out here who is saying that you cant hold whatever opinion you want to hold. There is no movement. There is no central figure in the community that says you cannot have a job while disagreeing with us. No one is saying that. To suggest that we are is to oversimplify the situation. What we are saying is that in this unique situation where you have a Business Community that is dedicated not just to an open internet, but to an internet that is open to all, and its employees, and members of the board of director and other members of the Mozilla Community felt that what brendan ike did, his conduct, his actions were inconsistent with the values of the community, then then action also have consequences. No one is talking about suggesting just because we disagree with someone that they have to lose their jobs or they have to disappear. A quick response. Well, hes right. The gay movement is not monolithic, and in fact, mainstream gay organizations did not support this. Most gay people believe in tolerance and believe in educating people. What happened here was a small group of freelancers started to make a statement about this. Thats what drove this. I think most ordinary gay people want to live and let live and go with the values of persuasion rather than punishment. Kerry, what about that, perhaps the better move was to leave brendan ike be, especially since he was working with a company that was pretty much of equality in its actions as a company and its policies as a company. Yes, Many Companies are on the side of equality. Corporate america was far ahead of the federal government on starting to enact pro lgbt policies, healthcare policies that were inclusive somewhere on the order of 90 of fortune 500 companies now have nondiscrimination policies that protect people in sexual orientation. I want to say a word. Im not a very good activist. Im a juniorist by nature. I like to push things around, explore them, talk to a few people. I do my best writing that way. But we have a group of activists and jonathan referred to them as freelancers. You can call them what you want, but without the activists we would be nowhere as a movement. Nowhere. These are people who are far more sort of staunch in their ideas than i am, but i dare say proposition 8 would not be overturned yet. I dare say that dont ask dont tell appeal would not have gone through without as some people say shouting in the streets, protesting. The activists, the less part of this movement are a very important part of this movement. Without them i dont think that jonathan or ari or i would be able to exist because we would be seen as leftest, well, maybe not jonathan. When we come back after a short break well talk about where it call goes from here. Is this an experience thats going to be repeated . Evey saturday, join us for exclusive, revealing, and suprizing talks with the most interesting people of our time. Thinking differently is actualy punished. Is Public Education actually failing america . Education is the biggest investment we make in our futures. But what are we really teaching our kids . I think its a catastrophe that so many School Disticts have cut arts programs back. Could his reforms lead to happier, more fufilled lives. Schools need to encourage the development of imagination. Sir ken robinson talk to al jazeera only on al Jazeera America on al Jazeera America welcome back to inside story. Im ray suarez. This week we did a program on the Supreme Courts mccutcheon decision. It reaffirmed that political donations are free speech. As ceo is it free speech to express a political opinion, and can it, should it cost you your job . For mozilla cofounder branden ike, the answer may be yes. Joining us, ari, a law professor at new york law school. In our washington studio, jonathan, a senior fellow at brookings institution. And in ber inberg in berkeley, kerry. Can hobby lobby protect out to its employees their political police, and papa john and mr. Mackey from whole foods. Phil robinson from duck dynasty, spunke suspended and off the air for expressing his views. Should a thoughtful consumer be examining the beliefs the corporations. First directly to your question, absolutely. If youre going to be giving your money to someone, you better be sure that the organization or person youre giving your money to is worthy of your patronage. There is no reason t to patronie someone who is going to take your dollar and donate to an organization that will take away your rights. With you we could go further. The Supreme Court is also lookand other courts, are looking at private companies to deny service to gay persons. Arizona looked at doing that. Mississippi is looking at doing that just because they dont like gay marriage. It highlights the problem with simply saying that we should just let brandon ike live and let live because there are other options, or because mozilla itself is a pro equality company. When someone denies you service. Or when someone takes your money and turns around and tried to hurt you with it, that is not treating you with the equal dignity that you deserve as an equal member of american society. Just because you are allowed or you have the opportunity to go down the street to the next florist, the next baker, or to the next Internet Service platform does not mean that that company should be allowed to discriminate against you, nor should it mean that there should be no consequences for someone who is trying to hurt the Gay Community in that way. This is what the principles of free market and dignity are supposed to uphold. Kerry, you cover politics, have we crossed the threshold here . I do think that we crossed a threshold embracing the fact that gays, lesbians, bisexual and transgender people should be allowed to be open about who they are. We continue to have a discussion about gay marriage that continues to go on, but in general we have hit the breaking point here or the Tipping Point where, you know, it is no longer considered a liability everywhere in the country to be lgbt. I personally support that. Were taxpaying americans, and we should have the same rights as every other american and be able to live. Jonathan, is this a shot that will give a lot of people both in bored rooms and at home something to think about . No, i think its a minor event in a long unfolding story about how were going to draw lines in society. Public lines are changing about gay people and marriage in america. There is a process of adjustment going on as we figure out how to get along with each other. This is just one small part of it. Most gay people in this country want to and i know they can get along with people who disagree with them, and were figuring out how to do that. It is happening quickly. It is happening very quickly, and there is a lot of adjustment shocks going on. Jonathan, professor waledman and kerry, thank you for being with us. The program may be over but the conversation continues. We want to here what you think about this or any days shows. You can send us your thoughts on twitter or reach me directly ray suarez news. Well see you for the next inside story. In washington, im ray suarez. Welcome to al Jazeera America. Im Morgan Radford live in new york city. Here are the stories we are following. Polling stations in kabul making history a vote for president and democracy. After vanishing four weeks ago without a trace, a glimmer of hope in the search for Malaysia Airlines flight mh370. Rallies across the country calling for comprehensive