Capitol. Medium, al qaeda in the arabianmeanwhile, al qaeda in theArabian Peninsula said it planned and funded the attacks in paris. Where does france actually draw the line when it comes to free speech . 54 people have been arrested in france in a crack down on hate speech antisemitism and glorifying terrorism. Blocking president obamas executive action on immigration. The president s action were an unconstitutional overradio reach. Overreach. This is not how our country was intended to work. Cyber criminals are doing as much damage as conventional criminals. Jesse struggles with Mental Illness. Creature kept saying kill yourself kill yourself. The fact that shes still here is a testament to a great strength of her last a human being. Aas al qaedas most deadly affiliate claims responsibility for the attack on Charlie Hebdo in paris. Christopher cornell threatened to attack with pipe bombs and fire on those who he sees fleeing. Expressed support of terrorist groups. Cornell wrote i believe we should just wage jihad under our own orders and plan attacks and everything. I think we should meet up and form our own groups with alliance with islamic state. Mine while a leader in aqap took credit for the attacks in paris. Nassar al ansi, and american born cleric, anwar al aqi killed in 2011. At the state department, Deputy Spokesman had this to say. Aqap, most dangerous in terms of external plotting outside the region where they are located. And the french newspaper leparisienne is reporting that there is search for a fourth suspect in the jewish grocery where four were dild killed. Jeremy you reported before this claim that are al qaeda a source of yours in aqap had told you that they were claiming responsibility for the attack. The brothers as they killed all these people at Charlie Hebdo also claimed they were doing it on aqaps orders. Do you think they were behind it . I think what we have is a definitive claim from aqap that they were behind the attack, directlied this attack, but we dont have proof that they had this significant a role. We knew that the two brothers had received training from them. And one of them told the french journalists they were doing this on behalf of aqap and annwar al aqi. We are only in the first phase of a multistep process. What generally would happen is that they would release a video a murder video of the people that theyre claiming responsibility for the action of as of the case of the underwear bomber. Until we have that all we can really prove is there is a lot of smoke around aqap being involved but not fire yet. We have i. S. I. L. Claiming responsibility and we know that Amedy Coulibaly the man who carried out the attacks at the kosher supermarket said he had coordinated the attacks with the kouachi brothers with whom he had a long standing relationship. What do you make of i. S. I. L. s claim . I think we need to separate these into two plots when we are looking at the particulars. And something unusual happened, he said we were not behind the kosher market attack. It was a coincidence but we still support that. Theres internal politics here because aqap and i. S. I. S. Are fighting over supremacy over who is sort of the premier global jihadist in the world. Part of what sheik al ansi was doing was saying, we like this kind of attack but we dont want to say were in league with i. S. I. S, i. S. I. S. Is more than willing to have people use their brand to commit acts of terrorism. Aqap does not lend out its brand. You are convinced they didnt coordinate we know they knew each other going back to 2010 i mean that i. S. I. L. And aqap i dont believe at some institutional level that they did. I think this is a combination of i. S. I. S. Letting this guy sort of go to the bank with this, its going to help their image. Aqap has some involvement, how much we dont know, these guys knew each other and some home grown aspect to it. Coulibaly seems to have purchased his weapons from a man in belgium 500 euros worth. You have to be careful on what you can and cant prove. As i said there is a lot to prove aqap had some involvement very limb that i. S. I. S. Had involvement. Pledging allegiance to imir abal ink. This institutional tension between al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and i. S. I. L. Doesnt that raise concerns that they are trial to oneup each other and that they will try to have more attacks on the west . Look i dont mean to dismiss the idea that terrorism represents a threat in our society and quite frankly more so inside of yemen. Most of the victims of these various groups are arabs are muslims and are not puppets of the west. Not just killed in yemen in a car bombing. What happens in al shabaab whats happening in iraq, nigeria with boko haram its not that theres no threat. I think we get the threat of the power of nightmares. Anwar al aqi spoke in english. The west is not used to having these kind of terrorist hit. What i fear is were going to go way overboard with a problem that doesnt hit human liberties, supporting the idea of i. S. I. S. And al qaeda i know youre talking about that later. Terrorism, it does begin with looking at our own role in projecting a message to the world that we are at war with islamic. Certainly there are concerns in france about that but arent there also concerns that whatever were doing its just not working. Because here you had guys who should have been on the radar and should have been on the radar, one point they were on the radar but basically fell off. How to find them . You had me on the show some time ago when we revealed the guidelines for this competitive watchlisting program that the u. S. Government has. Who worked the beat in fact they are drowning in information. When everyone is on the list no one is on the list. When you are rounding up whole population he of people and putting their names in the database how do you determine when they are just spouting off on twitter . This was the kind of thing that weve been warned about since 9 11, there could be sleeper cells in the United States, could be sleeper cells in europe. So far what we have learned about these guys being involved in yemen and all this, they do fit the definition of sleeper cells, people who went quiet for a while. I think youre right. Across the world in a very shadowy world. I think well see more of this low scale attacks on high value targets. The way they can strike at western society which is one of their targets is conduct an operation that garners huge headlines and force the United States and other countries to overreact. Go into any airport in our country post9 11, there are some things that make sense some things that are crazy. I think al qaeda and these groups win when we allow our Civil Liberties to be eroded. We are fighting an asymmetric war right now the tactics and strategy of al qaeda in an effort to defeat them and its back firing them. What do you mean false equivalence im not saying false equivalence. Nation state flag whose forces dont wear uniforms, we have engaged in torture and rendition. We are continuing much of the bush era politics although rebranded. Not necessarily of the u. S. s choosing but the u. S. Last embraced it is fighting it and the reality is the same way palestinians have limited ability to fight back against israelis they have suicide bombings and rockthrowing. Al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula is going to try hit vulnerable targets and thats my point if we overreact and give them too much authority to say hey we have got you guys in prison here in your own minds then the idea we claim to be standing against we lose out. Last, aqap in yemen no ones in control it of so aqap is very settled where they are. Its amazing how the u. S. Seems to be able to kill a tremendous number of people in yemen but not the leadership of aqap. Lot of people are saying yemen is the new afghanistan. Jeremy skahill good to see you. Growing to the debate of freedom of expression in france, Charlie Hebdo sold out 5 million of its latest edition. A banner on the cover saying all is forgiven. All falls under laws that prohibit hate speech. Those arrest evidence include controversial comedian dudonet who has made jest clurs about gestures against jews. Arresting dozens of others, talk about this with al jazeera legal contributor jamie floyd. Good to have you with us. Good to be here. Setting stage about what are laws in the United States about freedom of speech. We think theyre the best right . Are they in the sense of the level of freedom we have here . I think even in the beginning of the story before we got to today, where people are crying foul about this apparent double standard, we here in the United States were projecting our ideas of freedom of speech and freedom of expression and the First Amendment, something that we only have here onto the french situation. They dont have the First Amendment and they dont even have the same laws or even notions of freedom of expression and freedom of speech. But we should say that in the United States there are limitations on freedom of expression. Of course in every country there are limitations there have to be for situations, i have free speech but my free speech cannot impinge on your safety or your bubble where you live in this country. The famous one we always hear about is crying fire in the crowder theater. Of course you can cry fire if there is a fire nobody points that out right . But you cant cry fire if its going to create an unreasonable panic where there is no fire. Thats the classic case. But we have hate crimes, not hate speech as a crime and that takes us to the french situation. Before we get to the french situation, our american laws arent that great as far as obscenity laws. Obscenity pornography i know it when i see it, whats that . The judge says this speech is offensive enough to be unprotected by the constitution but this artistic expression here thats art so well say thats protected. We have gray areas as well but pretty much in this country you can do and say all kinds of offensive things and it is protected speech. While in europe it is different. Lets talk about that. There are laws throughout the continent that forbid any expressions of nazi crimes and france has a history of cracking down on all sorts of things related to world war ii. No holocaust denying at all. But here, if you want to deny the holocaust you can do it all you want, you can stand on your rooftop and you can remember the case of the nazis marching in skokie. That was the classic case, you cant do it here. The double standard, some that mocks islam is fine as free speech but something that is antisemitic is not. The french government says we are addressing issues of that thenaziismand terrorism. In our country we dont do that. We wait until there is an in fact overt expression of danger. There its more predictive more proactive. Here we have used speech as your natural right. There theyve used speech as something the Government Free speech the government bestows upon you. Its interesting antonio the historical rooting is the same. Thomas jefferson wrote the National Historic declaration of man. But voltaire says i dont care what you say but ill defend your right to say it. Government gives you the right to speak and we still firmly believe in the First Amendment and your right to speak as a natural right. Then again as you said hate speech does become a crime in france. The question is what when is hate speech . Why was Charlie Hebdo not hate speech and now a comedian who is making what he says is a a an artistic statement on facebook that is suddenly potentially hate speech. They say theyre going to charge him. We just had a case here a facebook case you and i talked about it, where the Supreme Court is deciding whether it is hate speech. They are going to consider whether it rose to a real threat, criminal activity. It wasnt even really calling for terrorism. No. It was not any link to planning any attack. It was really just pure ugly speech. Pure ugly speech. But there the speech itself coob crime. Wellknown constitutional law professional Jonathan Turley he said france has been leading the way in a crack down on free speech is that fair . I dont always agree with him but he cites a number of occasions where he points out and has pointed out over time concerns with the french governments actions also points to the British Government and even our own where we are beginning to allow our speech to be restricted because of our fears about our security. And you know the old saying if you want to sacrifice your liberty because you are afraid of your security then perhaps you deserve neither. Thats his point. One case in england was somebody was prosecuted for antimuslim speech so the issue is all over the place its certainly a difficult issue difficult conversation. Being too rationsary can be too danger are you. Pleasure to see you. Pleasure to see you. Now for other stories around the world. We begin in washington d. C where the scandal plagued secret service has done some housecleaning. Reassigning four of its most senior officials. Four of its directors oversaw technology and public affairs. Unless they retire they will be given new jobs within the secret service or the department of homeland. Fresh perspective how we conduct business. Next we head to space where astronauts were briefly forced to evacuate the american part of the International Space station. After the alarm went off indicating the leak of ammonia coolant. The crew had to evacuate again when the alarm went off for a second time. Nasa finally confirmed they were false alarms likely set off by a computer problem. Some experiments that the crew was conducting will have to be rescheduled but no research was lost in the incident. We ent in the end in the java sea where search crews have found the fuselage of of the f Airasia Airasia plane. Hopes that with the fuselage located some form of closure can come not victims families. There is still no word on whats contained on the voice and data recorders. Thats some of whats happening around the world. Coming up House Republicans target president obamas executive actions on immigration but could that cost them in 2016 . Also the white house declares war on cyber crime. Well look at the threats posed by cyber warrier and sign curriculum cal. And our social media producer, Hermela Aregawi is tracking. A fight with a grieving family. What do you think . You can join the conversation ajconsiderthis and on our facebook page. Facebook page. Security council. About issues that impact your world. Infectious diseases are a major threat to health. The week ahead. Sunday 8 30 eastern. Only on al jazeera america. House republicans have gone on the attack. Their target, president obamas attempts at immigration reform. The gop attached amendment to the department of Homeland Security funding bill, to prioritize the deportation of criminals with no criminal history. They would also defer the president s 2012 deferred action plan that gave leniency to children brought to america by their parents. Speaker boehner said this is not about immigration. Today i rise and the house rises to support and defend the constitution. This is not a dispute between the parties or even between the branches of our government. This executive overreach is an affront to the rule of law and to the constitution itself. Joining us from los angeles is al jazeera Political Correspondent michael shore and from washington, d. C james warren, bureau chief for the new york daily news. Jim ill start with you you heard the speaker here we go again. Much of the gop has been add pantly opposed to the president S Immigration reforms and they voted for this bill. There has been a split in republicans, house leadership is courting the far right and possibly alienating the hispanics. They are courting the far right and alienating the hispanics with these immigration provisions for sure. I started my day with a courtly conservative southern congressman bob goodlatt, who laid out the basic condition that drives us mainly that the president has usurped his Constitutional Rights and prerogatives and that is blatantly illegal which is not only arguable but probably absolutely wrong. I think big surprise today of sorts was not what happened on the main piece of legislation but an amendment that really shafts this group of young immigrants called, the socalled dreamers. I think that was a huge political mistake. It just snuck by because the main parts of this legislation they are not going the whole thing is not going to go anywhere. Boehner is very sensitive to the notion of being seen seen to undermine Homeland Security. This issue of dreamers jay lays the republicans open to being cold and hardless and its not going to go away and gave the democrats a big fat issue. Because the amendment would take back the deferrals of dreamer deportations. As boehner said its executive overreach, constitutional overreach but is this a dangerous hail mary pass, trying ofund this by the department of Homeland Security, because there was no other leverage to fight it with. They have to fight it for now, according to the rvetion cromnibus legislation, but jim as he always does always points to two parts that are going on in republican world right now which is Marsha Blackburn amendment shes a congresswoman from tennessee to stop all the deferred action the daca as its called was it a bad thing for the speaker allow to go to the floor. It lost 218 to 209. Its not a popular and important thing for them and also bob goodlatt, youre talking about expanding the republican tent, bob goodlatt, at the same breakfast that you saw him at this morning seems like theyre not expanding their tent, theyre actually pushing the people out the politics leaves me curious at the moment. Speaking of the politics, bob king of new york tells fox news whatever we do as far aS Immigration cannot in tbhi way any way way allowed to interfere. Why do it through Homeland Security because of the attacks in paris and especially if the senate wont pass it and the president will veto it even if the senate does pass it. Some of these trump judgment simple as that. And peter king long island congressman from obviously outside new york you know, is no like card carrying liberal or anything. Pretty conservative republican and he sees the juxtaposition here a terrible one the timing absolutely terrible and to the notion of defunding that department which is not going to happen, you know, may be red meat for some folks on the right. But its practically pretty stupid. Lets change stoppics to something that came out in the military times. President obama is facing an all time low Approval Rating among members of the military. He never was terribly popular with them but its dropped from to 15 approval from 21 . Its really plunging. Michael what do you think is going on there and what are the consequences . This is an annual poll of the military that the military times does. It came out in december. And his plairp popular hasity has never been strong. President clinton was not strong. Up 7 and 5 respectively, seven points up to 46 Approval Rating tying his Approval Rating in the news poll. What effect does it have . It has very little effect. Hes not going to win popularity from the military, when you see how the military is made up generally speaking more are registered republicans. Michael guys i mice add a couple other issues. These are a fractious times the president has been sending people a lot of different places that creates a bit of anxiety, when people are not ideologically predisposed to a certain political position, when the pentagon budget is going to have to be cut and i think people are anxious about that and then there are lots of rumors about the Health Impacts of obamacare, it is all in the mix of making people anxious. The most recent mitt romney making noises he might jump into the election. Jeb bush is moving forward strongly Chris Christie seems to be moving forward rand paul, this is going to be wide open. What does it mean for the republicans that there are so many people involved, especially guys like romney, bush and Chris Christie who really are kind of in the same part of the republican party. Yeah, thats a great point antonio. And you know mitt romney is saying hes going to run to the right of jeb bush. What does it mean . I think you see a lot of the conservatives who are going to be running for president the different flavors from the mainstream republicans what we have come to consider mainstream republicans. They are probably delighted now to see the fighting going on, on that end. You will remember romney was the only one at that time in 2012 who was 92nd part of the fray of rick santorum, newt gingrich. Perhaps fight it out for that part of the republican party. It does help the conservatives but what it does for mitt romney im not sure. Its going to be difficult for him to run to the right of jeb bush and have himself reinvented to make him a different candidate than he was last time. When you have these Establishment Republicans if they do all run different than romney faced the last time around what does that mean for the rest of the field . Were talking about Mike Huckabee rick santorum, scott walker the list seems endless. For starters theyre going to have to work a whole lot harder to get money. The big dogs are going to have access at least initially to many of the fat cats. If you are those guys paul and cruz walker, that has a sort of divide and conquer strategy and hope there is some sort of rope adope amongst those sort of centrist candidates. Im fascinated by this turn of events, seeming turn of events with romney and what hes going to do, i suspect that he will but im still not quite clear what the case he really would make would be. And for sure he comes into this without you know the real sort of animating notion that he had earlier being something new. Hes not going to be anything new in this case and im not sure whether hes first and foremost the consultant world who wants to make a whole lot of money off of him saying oh this would be a good idea or whether hes speaking to a wider swath of republicans who probably would be raising eye browse. Michael and james always good to have you with us. Find out whats trending on the web. Hermella. Very familiar with a florida case we reported on last august. A colorado family is protesting after a church was refusing to hold a Funeral Service 31yearold Vanessa Collier died when her gun went off when she was cleaning it. Her Funeral Services this past weekend, after learning at a that the pictures of collier kissing her wife. The Funeral Service refused saying they had to take their service elsewhere. I was confused, they could kick us out it was disgusting. Colliers system continued to speak out. They organized what they called a death in dignity rally and tuesday protested outside the church. They could have easily allowed the service to take place and afterwards if he had to he felt throw him water all over the place he could have done that later. He was their policies doesnt allow homosexual depictions in the sanctuary. Let us know what you think of the story. You can tweet us ajconsiderthis. Back to you antonio. Thank you hermella. Straight ahead cyber crime and cyber war well look at the situations we face. And why any refund you might be owed will probably be delayed but why youre also less likely to get audited. And glen closes family struggles with mental imness their struggle to fight stigma. Stigma. President obama is making a new push for tougher laws on cyber security. After the hack at Sony Pictures and mondays hack on the youtube and twitter pages of central command. We want to crack down on those that are doing as much damage if not more than folks involved in conventional crime. Already having prieivedz privacy advocates sounding alarms. Cyber attacks affecting u. S. Interests and the president s proposed issues. Blaze, good to have you with us. What do they tell us about our readiness to prevent Cyber Attacks . Good to be with you antonio. Continues to show we have cyber vulnerabilities and whether they are of relatively minor classification cent comes twitter and youtube needs which were only embarrassing. Or others for prolonged period of time. We have been warned of the dangers involved in cyber warfare, peoples eyes tend to glaze over unless it involves a hollywood movie studio. But unless we protect our infrastructure against sire attacks. Thats right. Pretty much all areas of our lives are connected to the internet and thats susceptible to hacking. Every aspect of our lives can be hacked and remotely controlled. So the vulnerabilities are pretty big. The problem is that the hacking that happens doesnt affect our daily lives. If it affects finance the banks usually cover the costs. When theres attacks going back and forth between National Governments online thats something thats usually classified and we dont hear about it as public citizens. And so we havent really felt the repercussions of a cyber attack until december when suddenly we couldnt see a movie we wanted to see because of the hack at sony. And you have pointed out that the vulnerabilities and the threat that they are not just from the big attacks. That there could be real damage from smaller cyberthreats. Thats right. And Cyber Attacks are happening every day that are costing American Films hundreds of millions of dollars both in financial losses due to Identity Theft and when suddenly chinese are making things that look similarly like phone routers or cars or other technological products made in the u. S. , that costs the u. S. Money. And the threat is there and threatens not just our National Security but Economic Security and something we feel as a threat on a daily basis. Fbi director james comey in a recent speech said, they have made significant progress in dealing with the problem but we are probably High School College level soccer but were facing a world cup level adversary. How have we gotten so far behind . I think partly its because of what makes america great. The technological innovation in this country has far outpaced our ability to legislate these matters which is as it should be. Our democracy was designed to move at a deliberate pace but what we do to protect is dealt with structures from the 1920s or designed in the early years of computing in the 1990s. So just having caught up with the really fast digital pace of evolution in technology. Thats part of the problem and another part of the problem is, we have a continuing debate in this country about what the proper balance between security and liberty should be. Its a debate that we had after the 9 11 attacks in reference to dealing with terrorism. Its a debate that we recently had with nsa leaks by edward snowden. And stymied with developing new protection in cyber space. I know youve argued its not just the laws but the regulatory authorities are not set up to face the threat of cyberwar. Does the president s legislation go far enough . I think whats important is the president has made a sustained effort to deal with this subject. Hammering at the need to get something done. The ideas he is proposing arent entirely new similar to legislation that has been banging around congress for at least two or three years. Having the president put the force of the presidency behind these proposals argue that its time to get this done. As we have a new congress, hope of bipartisan cooperation and as everybody has been talking about the sony situation for holes to be plugged. It also talks about corporations notifying customers within 30 days when their personal information is compromised but also asking the private sector to share information with the government and that of course is one of the things that immediately raises red flags among civil libertarians. Is there enough to protect privacy rights in these proposals . Thats right the question is when one company is attacked its very unlikely that other companies are being attacked the same way and the hope is if we can have informationsharing going back and forth between companies they might be able to alert each other to attacks and stymie them. But the question is will consumers data either be available to the government for scrutiny or leaked to the government somehow or shared with companies in a way that would violate our privacy . I think what weve seen the president introduce had week has the most stringent privacy protections of any piece of legislation trying to put in place an informationsharing structure. So i think in that respect privacy advocates should feel that the president is really stepping up to the plate for them and we should also you know remind ourselves that hacks compromise our prieives much moreprivacy much morethan this proposed legislation. Last year we saw target lose 40,000 pieces of private legislation which would be more important than these proposals. Blaze thank you for joining us. Coming up glen carloss sister will joan us to talk about her lifelong battle against Mental Illness. The irs says, fewer people people will get audited this year and thats not good for the country. You may have to wait a while to get your refund. In data dive next. Ive next. Ali velshi kicks off our special state of the Union Coverage at 7 00. Well take an indepth look at our nations financial future. Then John Seigenthaler breaks down the issues. We need to know whats going on in our backyard. Plus, objective analysis and live reports from across the nation and reaction from around the world. The state of the union address. Special coverage begins tuesday, 7 00 eastern. Right here on al jazeera america. You know how they say that everybody has a purpose in life . Well, at one time, i felt that selling cocaine was my purpose. We was starvin, just lookin for a way to succeed. The first time i seen rock cocaine was 1980. The murder rate was skyhigh. South of the 10 freeway, was kind of a nomans land. You know, were selling it for the blacks. I said, you go into these neighborhoods, theres no cops you can sell it where you want and when they start killing each other, nobody cares. I was going through like a Million Dollars worth of drugs just about every day. Thats like gold we can make a fortune he was maybe the biggest guy in l. A. Freeway rick was getting his dope from a very big operator. I think were into something thats bigger than us. Something we really cant deal with. They had been trafficking on behalf of the United States government. She could prove what she was saying. [rapping] crack in the system. [rapping] this is los angeles. Were still a week away from the start of the tax season but data dive finds your refund may already be delayed. Budget cuts may mean the Worst Service for taxpayers since 2001. Among the issues, people who file by snail mail will wait an extra week to get their refunds. Efilers may also see delays. You may find trouble getting answers on the phone. Those who do get through will see an average wait time of 30 minutes. If you are looking for a bright spot theres a smaller chance youll get audited. Smaller staffs mean fewer people to conduct them. When that sounds great it means the loss of revenue of 2 billion for the government. The lag times are blamed on a perfect storm. Problems. Bigger workload on the agency to review the often complex tax situations. The irs is doing more with less. An annual review shows five years of budgets cuts from congress have, quote brought about a devastating erosion of taxpayer services. In the past years the irs lost about 12,000 workers thats 13 . The workload has grown and the agency is processing 70 more phone calls from taxpayers. Its a rough equation that can only negatively affect your return. So i guess you can add a third certainty in life death taxes and delays. Coming up glen closes private family crisis on public display. The actresss sister on Mental Illness. Im paul beban al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula declares responsibility for the paris attacks but i. S. I. L . New rules of the road, and is a growing trend against vaccinations responsible for a Measles Outbreak . All that is coming up after consider this. Consider this. One in four adults or about 61. 5 million americans experience Mental Illness in a given year. One in 17 live with the most serious diagnoses. Schizophrenia bipolar disorder. Win that jesse close the younger sister of glen close can relate to. She wasnt fully diagnosed with bipolar disorder with schizophrenic features she wasnt diagnosed with until time she was 52 years old. She is really brave. Tough to read, the problems started when you were five years old. You started hurting yourself. That led to full manic episodes when you were a teenagers that led to dilutions by someone called the creature. Drugs and five husbands, do you know 0 you withstood it . I do, just listing all those things the poor woman it must be devastating to hear it. When glen i know joined you both of you have become Mental Health advocates. One of the questions a lot of people have you came from a very wealthy family. Your dad was a doctor. Your family had a history of Mental Illness. So how in the world did it take so long for you to be properly diagnosed . I dont know. The first relative we can point to and say ahha he was definitely bipolar he was an uncle, he held some people at gunpoint and kidnapped them from new york . Kidnapped them from new york and he would also ride naked on a horse over the hills of greenwich, connecticut. His mother said he was having a nervous break down. The language of pledge illness didnt start until later. Probably my generation. I dont remember hearing the term manic depressive which used to be called, is now called bis polar. The manic depression didnt become part of the general conversation until maybe the 80s when there was some movies about manic depressives. Yeah. Still you think you would have gotten the best kind of aid, someone like you didnt. What does that mean for everybody else . Yeah, i know its a big problem. The problems started early when you were 16, you got married, you had a baby. What did people at home think just that you were rebellious . Yep, that i had bad judgment, i was rebellious. I dont know, now its a joke because the husbands houses and cars are kind of a mantra of how i was. I had five husbands and i dont know how many cars. I i learned what a balloon payment is, so i would just cash in my car every year. Oh goodie lets get this one. And houses, i moved my kids, 12 times in eight years. It was because thats one of the things that you had been diagnosed as, not bipolar but very rappic cycling. Yes rapid cycling. Yes. Like this person apologizing im so sorry and then the next hour doing some else impulsive. It was horrendous. And i drank a lot to keep that those feelings at bay. And i know it has a strong genetic component. But to what extent was dysfunction within your family do you think that it played a role . Because i know your parents picked up and dropped everything and joined a cult in switzerland and moved the country to africa. It was certainly a very dysfunctional situation. My dad would probably if he was still alive point to this, we did this because we did this because, he was definitely not mentally ill a very dedicated doctor and he wanted to be where he would be the most help. Which was in what used to be called zaire which is do you think all that erratic lifestyle also contributed or do you think its really mostly genetic . I really dont think so. There are people who have gob through a gone through amazing situations worse like mine with my family and have not ended up bipolar. In the end it was your son being diagnosed as schizophrenic and you reaching out to glen and telling her you were thinking about killing yourself that really changed things. Yeah. How did that happen . As you mentioned i had this what i call the creature in my head. When i was i was getting really bad. My symptoms were getting really just off the charts. And this creature would kept saying kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself, relentlessly on, on. And i was afraid for my children. I was afraid for myself. So i finally opened my mouth and said i need help. And i know that one of the reasons that you and glen is have been out there speaking out about this is because of the stigma and the fear that there is connecting to it. You describe heartbreakingly how parents wouldnt allow their kids to play with your kids because of this. Your son has spoken out. Letslets listen to what he has to say. Sorry if you expect a lunatic on arampage. Iend kaylin. People like us suffer stigma and alienation every day. He has a great sense of humor. How is it facing this . People shut things out that they dont want to hear and others mostly people are being able to begin to talk about it. What do you want people to mostly take away from your book, that . To talk about it. To not sweep strange behavior of their family members unit the carpet. You know, look and make sure that your family not only is physically healthy but mentally healthy. Jessie really good to meet you, glad to speak to you. Thanks a lot. Resilience. Two sisters and a story of Mental Illness available in bookstores or online. Who says two heads are better than one why group think often leads to unusual results. At twitter ajconsiderthis and you can tweet me amoratv. Well see you next time. Next time. Rod rod good evening, everyone. This is al jazeera america. Im paul beban, John Seigenthaler has the night off paris attacks a branch of al qaeda claims responsibility as its rival, i. S. I. L. Praises the killers nigeria nightmare boko harams rein of brutality, why its stepping up attacks now denoted a major shakeup at the highests levels of the secret service. And