Theyll be deported. The northwest immigration has reached a lawsuit. They dont have anyone at their side to represent them. Some of them we may return them to that. Mlb gave arod permission to use testosterone. Fabien back on dry land. We begin in texas. With tens of thousands of undocumented children flooding into the u. S. Politicians call for the president to visit the border and see the crisis in person, while travelling to texas on a gunned raising trim. Teme Texas Governor rick perry met him in dallas. Theres nothing taking place that im not intimately aware of and briefed on. This is not theatre, this is a problem. Im not interested in photo ops. Problem. After meeting with governor perry the president said the only did the was that the governor wanted the president to pay for more Border Security without asking cobb yeses for the congress for the money. He was concerned some of the positioning of Border Patrol agents was too far from the border to be effective from deterring folks from coming in. The president asked congress for 3. 7 million in emergency spending this week to deal with the surge, just as protests over the undocumented children got louder. The spending request started another battle in congress with republicans and democrats. If we dont secure the border, nothing will change. If you look at the president s request, its to deal with the problem. We have to do something about sealing the border, and ending the problem so that we can begin to move on with the bigger question of immigration reform. Joining us from capitol hill is Californian Congress woman, a Senior Member of the homeland committee. A pleasure to have you with us. The president is in texas, a few hundred miles from the center of the crisis. Border . If you went to texas me may have gone to look at what was happening. I am sure many people on the border have been updating him. I think if he had had a chance, he should have gone. What about what some of your democratic colleagues in the house say. Have they criticised him for not going to the border, especially if hes in texas fundraising. Your colleague hopes the border crisis doesnt become the katrina moment. Is that a fair question. Many criticise george bush for not katrina. We have a humanitarian refugee issue at the border. If hed been in the area, if i had been him i probably would have gone to take a look at what is going on. Its not like he cant see it, he hasnt been told about it. I think it looks a little bad for the president to go to a state and not take a look at the you know, the issue that is rite in front right in front at the time. At a senate hearing, ron johnson questioned the amount of money it will cost for taking care of the minors, giving more aid to Central American countries. Lets listen to some of that. I cant think of a more humane thing to do. Maybe it sounds cruel, but then to deter parents from sending children to the United States, take the minors, identify where they came from. I have gone online. It costs 207 on a one way trip in terms of plane flight. Put them into a hotel and feed them, return them to the country of origins. Theres a bipartisan law signed by president bush that doesnt allow that. The president is saying well deport them, but well have to give them due process and it will cost 3. 7 billion, is there no other way. There is a due process issue, and just as the republicans wanted the president to follow other lives lost with respect to the border, we have to take a look at the fact that we did sign a bill, and the president signed a bill. Not this president , but bush, to talk about having a realistic procedure with respect to minors. We are talking about children. Thats what the issue is here. I have, over the years, on the committee that deals with this, the Homeland Security committee, for example, i dealt with a minor issue, some of the issues of how we deport and let people off in the middle of the night. What did the Detention Centers look like . Why did we not have enough. We have tried to address many of these issues over the last year. The problem is the republicans, while we pass the bill in the homelands refused to bring them for a vote to the house floor. That is why the president is really left with his hands tied, without us being able to change those things. The other side of the equation is Border Security, which is what the republicans have been focussed on and the president said how he secured the border. This is obviously proven that that is not the case. House majority leader john boehner said if we dont secure the border nothing will change. You worked on a bill to secure the border. We are not talking about 3. 7 billion. It would be enough defense about a third of the border with mexico. Problem . Well, in fact, we have been building, and its not just a fence. We have been building a barrier of a border. That looks different. Its expensive. Its about a million or 2 million to make some of these. We have been doing part of that. The other part of the process is unaccessible areas, and that may be where some of these are. Especially adding to the texas wild lands. The fact that we are catching that we are apprehending these people tells you something. Thats a security position that we have. You know, if they are acting how secure is the border. The fact that we are getting the kid and have them in detention means the process by which we set up is working. Its the ones that get through. That would be an unsecured border. The fact that we have got and continue to get children, more are sent, but we are apprehending them means that, in fact, we do have a secure border. Physically. It may not be possible. Environmental issues that are going on. Think about the rivers. You cant put a fence in the middle of a river. Prop owners have Property Owners have individual right. Many are up in arm when you block the ability to use the it. The issues, and two issues you brought up there, the defense is pushing people into what you refer to as wild lands. Its leading to increased debts. People are trying to cross in areas that are rougher that where they crossed before, and they are dying. The problem you raise is that if we are catching them as they cross, if they are from Central America and canned be sent back, it costs a fortune to keep people here. What is the solution. Where do we go . One of the biggest areas, we, the United States, and congress has not paid a lot of attention to Central America. Why are these people leaving . Some is a civil right, civil wars that go on in this middle portion, the central minister portion. Much of it is poverty or a lack of jobs or parent who see a lack of a feature. You see propaganda going on, theyll move anything. Drugs, guns, papers, some people. Whatever it is that will make money for them, they use the same. One of the things we have to do is we have to invest more in the other countries so they have a viable economy. They have institutions they can trust. If we can invest and make the countries worth living in, these people will not send the kids up on a lie from the cartel people. More importantly, they will be staple. Theyll keep the the children where they want to be. I never met people who said i dont love my country, they may say theres no work for me in this country or theres too much gang violence, they are parents like anyway of us would move our kids. We would. The problem is how many countries have the issues and how much can the United States do. Its a change. Its a pleasure to have you with us. Thank you. A part of the border crisis that received attention was highlighted when innovation advocacy groups sued the federal government. Currently its not required. Little kids can find themselves standing in a courtroom pitted against prosecutors, and representing themselves in front of immigration judges. Joining us from los angeles is a senior staff attorney with the aclus immigrants rite project. And the aclu foundation of southern cody calafiore. Good of you california. Good of you to join us. You are suing the federal government for failing to provide representation for children. Some of the children are in themselves . Absolutely. Every day in immigration courts around the country judges address children. 8 years old. Six years old and 10 years owl. Its a travesty of justice. Many of the kids get reputation from nolle prosequi profit groups. How big a problem is this. How many are not having legal representation. We dont have great numbers. At one point a recent study thought it was about half of children. Its probably gone up since there are so many children now. You are working on the lawsuit before the surge in immigrants happened . Thats right. We won a Court Decision last year saying the government had a legal obligation for those going through deportation proceedings, and we wrote a letter to the government saying if you have done this for that group of children. How about for children. They have increased funding. We fund prosecutors, only to Fund Government attorneys for a handful. There are prosecutors, but the attorneys. Thats right. We dont know the number, but in half of the cases children go it alone against a trained prosecutor on the other side. That is not due process, and its not fundamentally fair. Again, the numbers involved here, the dollars involved, if lawyers are provided for all the immigrants. I understand your point about due process and fairness. At what point . How could you balance that . Well, i think we have to ask ourselves as a nation whether we are willing to send children, many of whom are ref goes, and the United Nations has done an analysis in the unhcr and said 58 of these children in the study they had done had claims to refugee protection or other forms of relief. Yes, its no question that we have to spend money to do this. If we spend the money to pay for the prosecutors, can we spend the money to represent the children, can we support them to persecution or death, separate them from families without giving them a fair day in court. What do you think about perhaps to expedite Court Proceedings for unaccompanied children and families. They say they are planning and expanding local assistance. What impact do you think your proposals . Well, we have concerns that oftentimes speeding up means cutting cornerings. It doesnt have to mean that, but we are going to watch the situation. Theres no problem running deportation cases at a faster rate if they are conducted in a fair way. Studies have found that providing coup speeds up council speeds up cases. Judges gi children ca time to find lawyers, and everything runs smoothly when you have a person that knows what they are downing, defending doing, defending someone in a courtroom. Things have to be done in a fair way. The government has to do that. Its incumbent upon them to make sure every child goes through the preparation. Thank you very much for joining us. Tonight, a life saving new drug. It blocks hiv from reproducing but some gay activists are opposed theres a potential the risk of infection increases. An america tonight special report only on Al Jazeera America [ grunting ] im taking off, but, uh, dont worry. Im gonna leave the tv on for you. And if anything happens, dont forget about the new xfinity my account app. You can troubleshoot technical issues here. 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He refused to it were over discovery in the case, the allegations are, that defense was entitled to and improperly interfered with it. The general said he got out of it when he realiseded actions were inappropriate. He continued to intersent himself in the case, oorgd the marines to ordering the maroons to be crushed when the prosecuting authority determined that Court Martial was not appropriate. Its unlawful command. This. I gather he sought to replace an original set of prosecutors and brought in another set. The original prosecuting authorities testify that there has been an inappropriate conversation with the general, in which he was ordered to take actions and crush the marines, which the prosecuting authority told the germ he was not planning to do. The case was pulled. The prosecutors could not get the answer to the question of why the case was transferred. They say they were stone walled when they tried to get appropriate discovery that the defense was entitled to and it compromised the cases. You spoke to a prosecutor. Watch. The command on the said he wanted the marines crushed and if the lieutenant was not willing to take the cases to a felony general Court Martial, hed remove him and replace him with another commander. Its hard to come up with a scenario that more clearly illustrates the problem of unlawful command influence. How is this played this the pentagon, and what is the fear of general amos, given what has come out. The commandant general amos acknowledged that he probably said inappropriate things to the prosecuting authority. He said the case was handled appropriately. In dispute from the prosecutors that took over the case who say, again, that there was improper meddling on the part of the higher ups and they were stone walled. In my opinion cases were disposed of, you can see each one, how it was handled. According to the prosecutor that you hard from, two marines who pled guilty to charges he believes have been denied the due process and the justice they fought for and thats why hes speaking out now. There are other cases that have been rue gipped by the rue gipped by the commandants zeal to punish those possibly. Was it political, was he worried about the public image. What drove him to be so aggressive . Another part of the unlawful command influence concerned speeches given to the jury pool, the officers and senior enlisted men in which he urged harsher punish the. Serious felony Court Martials, saying the marines werent holding each other accountable and he acknowledged he was upped pressure rur from congress, in the wake of allegations of rape cases and it appears as though he was under a deal of political pressure and wanted it handled. Its not improper to say he wanted crimes prosecuted. According to the prosecutors, he was commenting on evidence, taking part in making dids that hes forbidden from copy, and thats where it occurred. Essentially it taints or moistens the case, and the reaction from the pentagon, from your reporting. It looks like a lot of folks covered up what he was doing . According to the prosecuting authority, he had trouble from start to finish getting cooperation from the pentagon. In the end they have no comment. They do have a link to general amos, and the only comment he made, he did speak in a radio interview and thats on the website where it is acknowledged. Some bad decision, i think, is how he put it. In the end it turned out all right. Its unusual for an officer in the marine corp to file a complaint against the head of the marine corp, with the inspector general, and speak out on camera, which he didnt do lightly. The interview is very interesting. Hes been stripped of local duties since september. But selected for program owes to lieutenant colonel. Its lying having a guy allowed to be a pilot, allowed to remain in the navy and be told me cant fly. Timely. A lot of people not following the details saying why should i care of the the marines were doing something awful. Why does this matter so much . First of all, i dont think people know what became of the cause. Wh you think they whether you think they committed a serious crime, the alleged disappointment from the germ, if you felt they were not as serious, you should be september that the general ordered them crushed. This tells the outcome of the case that people hadnt heard much about. The prosecutor explains in america, the system of justice, it doesnt matter what you are accuse of, you are entitled to a fair trial. A general cant come in and say this is how the case has to go. Its unlawful. Cheryl atkin con, terrific reporting. Thank you for coming on. We appreciate it. We like to believe justice is blind and courts will find the truth. Sometimes justice is blinded to the facts, and innocent people suffer. Na is what happened to michael who came home to find that his wife had been brutally murdered in their bedroom to learn that he was the prime suspect. Because of a system that preferred victory over the truth he was sentenced to life in prison while his wifes killer was free to kill again. We are joined by michael, the victim of the Wrongful Conviction in texas. He spent 25 years in prison before being exxon rated with the help. Innocent project. He is the author of a book getting life 25 years from prison to peace. And joins us via skype. What a story. Thank you for joining us. After your wifes murder, why did police and prosecutors focus on you, ignoring all sorts of evidence, ind clue the the including the testimony of the son. Thank you for having me. To answer your question, i dont think well know. The main players the person closer to the answer is no longer with us, but it appears by their action or whatever was said, for whatever reason the sheriff in my case, he just surmised because of certain items at the scene, that i had done it. After that, nothing else seemed to matter. Talking about nothing else, it wasnt just what your son said. There were neighbours statements about a van, a man near the house, a bandana with blood on it. Why was that exculpatory attorneys . Welling legally it shouldnt have been. Case law States Supreme Court case law states, and ethical rules require that everything exculpatory meaning things that point to your innocence or guilt are to be turned over. While part of this is a systematic problem, part personality, here it should within rite, but people involved did not follow the law or obey the rules. You faced an incredibly long fight, 25 years to get out, and years for the innocent problem to win permission to do the dment na testing that d. N. A. Testing that eventually exonerated you. How did you get the innocent project Pay Attention to you. I was fortunate. It was a hand to god things. An attorney at trial happened to be a friend long before the Innocence Project came about, before my wife was kill. The two guys were friendful after my a friends. After my appeals ran their course my attorney contacted the friend and said barry, do you think you can help out. I feel horrible, maybe you guys can any fresh eye and a new perspective, thats what happened. They were friends, but i didnt get special treatment. I had to work through the stack of applications, people pleading for help. Stack. As discussed before, they get thousands of calls every year. Its a big stack they have. You wrote that the worst fact about my being convicted of chriss murder was not the long inches, it was the long sentence, it was the fact that the real killer was fro to take a life. A nobodile sentiment. You nobel sentiment. You must harbour anger to the police, judge, jury, prosecutor after losing 25 years of your life. Yes, but Deborah Baker was killed 1718 months after my wife was. I had to learn to let go of the animosity and the hate and all the vengeance that i planned. I spent years, i hate to say, but it is the truth, years planning the murders of the people i felt were responsible for my incarceration. And only after my epitome , did i realise that i had to release all that animosity. And as a lawyer friend of mine said, holding that hate in your heart is like drinking poison and hoping the other guy dies from it. When i let go of that, when i made the effort, the physical sensation was like losing 2030 unwanted pounds, and i was lighter and impressed every day after that. Its incredible. I know barry shak, who you mentioned and is the head of the Innocence Project says theres no epidemic of prosecutorial misconduct, but the man that prosecuted you, ken anderson had a successful career, he was a judge, he was convicted of a misdemeanour and felon for the conduct in your case, of evidence not turned over. He served five days in gaol. Do you think thats fair . What kind of message does that send . Believe it or not in the Legal Community its a huge message. If you or i go to gaol, thats one thing. If somebody from a bad neighbourhood with a bad life and a rough situation goes to gaol for six months, a year, you may get the attention, you may not. But, when somebody in the judges position, who was my prosecutor, someone of his social economic status, his position in the community all eyes are op him all the time. You send him on him all the time. You send him for a few days in gaol, it affect him in ways that may not affect you or me or anyone else. When people ask the question i point to the mug shot. I dont think i have seen a more broken man. It impacted him. I know you reestablished a great relationship with your son, who you were estranged from in prison. I know you have remarried and gone on with your life and have an incredible attitude, its great to have you with us. The book is getting life, on the stream, whats the real impact of the Group Calling itself Islamic State . Does it have the power and reach to effect Global Oil Prices and your security. Join us on the stream the stream on Al Jazeera America now inroducing, the new al jazeea america mobile news app. Get our exclusive in depth, reporting when you want it. A global perspective wherever you are. The major headlines in context. Mashable says. Youll never miss the latest news they will continue looking for suvivors. The potential for Energy Production is huge. No noise, no clutter, just real reporting. The new Al Jazeera America mobile app, available for your apple and android mobile device. Download it now do you have to be a jerk to succeed at work. Researchers found nice guys finish last, at least in the short run. The surprising results raised questions about behaviour in the work space. Seth led the study and joins us. He is an assistant professor of organisation ace. Your Research Found people that were not nice tended to have success. We are talking about people that are referred to as the dark triad. Can you explain it . Unsurprisingly it consists of three traits. Nazi six is people that are wellknown, want to be the center of attention. They want status control and elevate themselves by making others feel small. The second is machiavellianism, which is a map itch u lative personality, and the last is sye cop athy, it its characterised empathy. Lets start with the manipulators. What are the characteristics, why do they succeed. One way that a manipulator succeeds, they love getting one over on people, they enjoy, and dont care once people figure it out. They like it when people think they are bad. They have that going for them. They put themselves first. All threes of the characteristics put themselves first. The man imulator manipulator is willing to use a wide raping of tactics to do it wide range of tactics. An a lot of people use flattery. These will use anything, making threats, forming political alliances, and will try to get their bosses boss to work on the boss. Things hike that. That can work out for them, at least at first. It can. They have to be smart about it. You cant try to mann im you late people. If you do it in a way na is obvious, it doesnt work, and youll wind outcast. If you are smart and do it well in a way not perceived. It can help you get ahead. You are advancing the agenda, getting your goals accomplished. You talked about the bad things that narcissists bring to the table, but at the same time narcism can help people succeed, because they want so much to succeed they manage to operate energy. Yes, they are enthusiastic about their own ideas and project. Anything that they care about directly. They can show enthusiasm for. Its part of how they can make a good first impression. How in a oneoff sale they may do a great job. The third is an antisocial parliamentary. You hear na and think how can that work for someone at all . One of the key things about the antisocial personality. Often called psychopaths. They are their key feature is they dont feel guilt, shame. They are impulsive leaving them to take risks, associated with stuff they want. They take a lot of risks. Sometimes it pays off. If you think with pa psychopath. They take a risk. It pays off. They start to lock like they have a look lie they have a reputation for getting things done, accomplishing big risky things. Risk is risk. They are probably going to run into problems. You say these are not fullblown psychopaths, they operate at a lower level that is not extreme. You say there are ways of spotting the bad apples. Mostly you want to watch the way they interact with other people, not directly with you. Someone who is mapp ip u lative will try to manipulate the way you persee them. Watching the way they work with other. These are people that are nice to you, but rude to the waiter. They are respectful to superviso, and awful to their peers. Subordinate. You cant fool all the people all the time. And all the folks at some point that they show true colours and dont always succeed in the long run. Most people with high elevation, one or more of the dark triadd traits will alienate people and will develop a reputation as being hostile, rude, any number of interpersonally negative things. The poison that coined the term, calls these things socially noxious traits. Hopefully karma will catch up to them over time. Thanks. Thank you. As casual observers of baseball know, Alex Rodriguez is not playing. He was inspected by Major League Baseball for improperly using performance enhancing drugs. Doctors his 2006 mvp season the lowing gave him permission to use banned substances. According to our next guest the arrangements did not stop there. During the 2008 season rodriguez was granted permission to take medication designed to increase testosterone levels. We sit with the managing editor of the miami new times, and an Investigative Reporter for news day. Book. Great to have you both here. Tim, this is a revelation that rodriguez had prime ministers. Is that the permission. Reveal. It was a surprising fact. We dove into the book with a great set of records from tony boschs cryogenesis clinic. We had a transcript from amexs ash alexs arbitration hear, and one of the Amazing Things it showed was that, you know, under baseballs policy if you take a medication that is banned but you believe you have a medical reason to use it you apply to a doctor appointed by the league and union, explain the case and hell decide if you can use the medication. In alexs case he asked for permission to use testosterone which one baseball official called the mother of all anabolic steroids. The doctor granted the prime ministers. For the course permission. For the course of 2006 alex had permission to use the tess to ter open. In 2007 he won the mvp and signed a contact with the yankees for 275 mullion. Given that Major League Baseball approved this, why the efforts to keep it under wraps . Theres a confidentiality agreement between the youpion and league where these union and league where it was kept confidential. It didnt come out until alexs battle against the league. An interesting aspect, itses to ter own exemptions are rare. A young man like alex, 31 theres few reasons why he would need testosterone, his levels boosted, unless he used pds in his career before that date. We know thats the case with arod because he tested positive in 2003 for steroid. So for that reason, its almost never happening in sport. What is Major League Baseball saying about this, what is alex saying about this. Major League Baseball is stopping by the process, saying its a rigorous process and they check is to make sure. Major League Baseball says it tues. What is that. Therapeutic use exemption. Arod wants to move on and play in 2014. Snow is it iing op is it egg on the face for Major League Baseball. He is banned, suspended because of performance enhappensing drus, and now we find out they said he could use it for a year. Its clear from the arbitration transcript that they were not thrilled about the exemption, or when he was given permission to use cloe med, a female fertility drug that can boost testosterone. It was approved after a tug of war between the union and the league. They both agreed. Its not unusual in other sports to have this. What is unusual is to give exemption for itses to ter open. And theyll review this. How did alex get caught up in more and more of these drugs. What was going reason with him at the time. How did it come to pass . One thing we wanted do was put the scandal into context. Alex came to the heing in the heart of the steroid era. The league stock permissive use, a large number of players were using, there was no testing, in 2003 he was one of 104 players who failed. That kick started test. And now hes a central figure in a topping scandal, ending up with 15 players suspended. Sounds like alex didnt change as much as Major League Baseball did, and alex bass there from the be was there from the beginning, and as the aggressive. Thats true. He came when it was permissive. It was his rookie year, the attitude towardster outside. One thing that we towards steroids. One thing we learnt was we learnt the details of anthony boschs testimony. Explain who he is. The chof of biogenesis, the steroid clinic that provided to alex and other players, more than a dozen other. Anthony bosch sided with Major League Baseball after they pursued him aggressively. He testified against Alex Rodriguez. We learnt the details of the testimony. It shows how brazen they were, and sloppy as well. Bosch would visit amalex in his new york City Apartments and miami beach mansion. At one point they met in a mens room of a nightclub. The Fountain Blue Hotel nightclub in miami beach and bosch drew arods blood and put the vial in the breast pocket. Instead of taking it to the lab or home. He went to the dance floor, danced, lost the vial, frantically looked for it and found it. Its incredible that these are the guys that caused so much trouble for Major League Baseball, and blew up the game. And the recklessness, it must have been important to Alex Rodriguez if hes having blood drawn in the bathroom of a nightclub or dance club. Why is he around people that reckless. It was effective. Tony bosch had a doping regiment. He instituted how the regiment worked. And he never failed a blood deft, arod. Its the first case in history where all the players were suspended without a positive test. Bass ball brought in their department of investigations. Which almost conducted a policelike investigation, and was alt prove the charters, even though they evaded the test. You guys are more familiar with the statistics while juiced up. He doesnt have the drugs, the performance enhancing drugs. How does he do it . When he comes back, hell turn 40. His body appears to have been destroyed by his steroid use and ageing. Its going to be rough in the bronx, i think, given that he took on the league and took on other players when he sued the players union. It will be a rough season. If we learnt anything about him, hes determined and will fight back i think hell be back and more drama next year. Its a terrific book called blood sport, thank you both for your time. Al Jazeera America presents i want to prove them wrong. I want to make em regret rejecting me. 15 stories one incredible journey edge of eighteen premiers september 7th only on Al Jazeera America joom todays data dive hits a home run. Babe ruth was known as the sultan of swat for his homerun hitting. He started his baseball career as a pitcher for the Boston Red Sox at the age of 19. He was a star, hemming the red helping the red sox win three series before he was sold to fund a play. It ran for six months. 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So the contract isnt worth the painest its printed on, its worth far, far more. I wonder what the baib would we end the show with a follow up. We grewed jacques yves cousteaus grandson in the middle of a 31 day mission. His mission celebrated aquanauts lying under water for 31 days. Fabien joins us in new york and wr pleased to welcome him back. How did it feel coming back out of the water . What is the transition been like . Its been a bittersweet moment to peers the blue vep ear on to veneer back on to land. Being down for 31 days was ov overstimulatingtime. There was a lack of stimulus. Getting back into air. It was empty. There was no souped. There were sound. There were just humans, no fish. Theres that much more going on under water. Around aquarius it stayed in that location for 20 years, its an artificial reef in many senses. You have so many neighbours, groups, sharks, so op and sou forth so on and so forth. Its a fireworks of life. Its the way the oceans should by. Store. Sounds fascinating. How was the transition to go from being cooped up in a laboratory, the size of a school bus, you know, 65 feet under water and come up. How did you feel . It is an efficient space. Everyone that lived in new york city or a large crowded city may have a feel for that, especially if you have room mates, and i had five new best friends living with me in a small space. The idea was not to stay in the space and go out. As saturation divers, we had the luxury of time. Time. Past. Diving down, you can stay for 45 minutes to an hour, depending on how much gas. Down there 12 ghoifrs us the ability gives you the ability to collect three years of data. You have plans to do a bunch documentary. The next step is to analyse the data, and the scientists that we have been working with are elated by the data and the quolty. Well work on that, and creating a florida olearning o learni learning Ocean Learning center. What are the important interesting things you fund . The list is ipp finite. As far as us as human being, whether he live on the ocean front or thousands of miles away, its evident that we cant live without healthy ocean, and they are being assaulted by all of us inadvertently through pollution and climate changerelated issues. The overconsumption of Natural Resources. Its the Natural Resource bank account. We need to bring that into the rhetoric, whether its economics or healthrelated issues. I know you want to get the message out throughout the world, you have done all sorts of things, including appearing on this show, and you dealt with classrooms around the United States, and big celebrities coming down. Ian and adrian went down to see you. Reached . The point is the human ocean connection we did it through cameras, live, broadcasting to the world, skyping all around the world and having conversations with phones such as yourself. The preliminary findings in the press, up to june 15th, halfway people. Thats terrific. A final question to talk about what life was like. You talked about how you couldnt cook food because you couldnt have open flames. What other things are involved in spending that much time in a small space with six people . It is a strange vurpt. In some cases its familiar and others foreign. Your sense of taste goes dull. Things that we take for mention. Because of the dangers of flame at the atmosphere. Its the daytoday activities, and you are subject to ear infections. Smell goes with taste. Honestly, we couldnt bring in chemicals, deoderants, abbing seller apts, you had to keep it to the basics. Its a good thing our sense of smell. Could have got ugly. We dove a lot. If it kept you guys clean. Great to see you, terrific what you have done. Best of luck with your efforts getting the data out to the rest of the world. Nas all for now. The conversation conditions on the website or facebook for google . You can find us on twitter. See you next time. Welcome to Al Jazeera America. 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