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Inspectors will be on the ground in syria in a matter of days after the Security Council approved a resolution to destroy syrias chemical weapons. Poor communication is largely to blame for the deaths of 19 arizona firefighters in june. A report released today said the radios failed between the men and support staff. Findings revealed that an air tanker carrying flame retardant was hovering overhead when the firefighters died. Ill be back. Consider this is next. Remember, you can always find us on line at aljazeera. Com. Is alqaeda the strongest its been in years . New trouble from the terror group raises serious concerns. A few years after the death of Osama Bin Laden and other key figures, has alqaeda loft its leadership but gained power . What role do celebrities play in helping International Aid relief no golden globe nominated actress Sienna Miller is seeking help in humanitarian crises. An alien life may or may not have been discovered. Voyager one may or may not have left the solar system and you may soon be able to travel to space, or maybe not. Hello, im antonio mora. Welcome to consider this. Just a few months ago, president obama declared the terror group was on the path to defeat. Or is it . Alqaeda is stealing support from u. S. Backed rebels in syria and the nairobi mall massacre maybe a reunderstood threat from the security group. Require i cant will be required to abandon its chemical weapons arsenal, but it will not include the threat of force against syria if Bashar Al Assads government fails to comply. The spokesperson for the Syria National Coalition Said the syria opposition remains wary of any deal. He has killed 110,000 people. Can you trust someone who what committed such a trays cities. 11 syrian rebel groups issued a at the same time calling for the establishment of sharia law. Its a key denext. Three of the groups were aligned with the u. S. Backed opposition. Sala discounted the new alliance. These groups are not part of the resolution. They do not represent the Syrian People. They represent a small minority. It remains unclear with the statement is one of discontent of leadership or a pledge of allegiance to alqaeda. The president of tune nearby is that warns alqaeda is staging a comeback feeding off the anger of the piecened arab spring. He pointed to two recent alqaeda linked assassinations. They didnt assassinate one human being, they assassinated a whole nation. He says hundreds of young tunisia men have gone to fight. This is the alqaeda linked al shabab attack, the large evident attack in kenya since the u. S. Embass bombing in 1998. Joining me now are jack rice, former c. I. A. Officer who covered the middle east extensively in our studio in minnesota and kenneth catsman, tracking alqaedas revolution for more than 20 years, coming to us from washington, d. C. Seems like so much for alqaeda on the run. Our map shows affiliates of alqaeda in iraq, syria, a number of african countries and yemen, countries pretty much all over the world, that doesnt include its presence in the far east. Alqaeda is swaying more hold over according to the economists, over more territory now and recruiting more fighters than anytime in its history. I think its true. We are seeing an expansion of affiliates. There really is no command in control. There is no control from alqaeda, meaning in afghanistan, and if you cant coordinate attacks, it makes it much more difficult, and yet at the same time, we have to realize that when you have really truly independent organizations, its hard to take the organization as a whole down, because you have to fight them one by one. The economists also had this quote ken, what do you think . Are they winning . Well, i dont really see them as winning, to tell you the truth, because theyve really shifted, really, the threat to the United States homeland and to the european mainland i think is much diminished. These alqaeda affiliates have expanded, yes, there are more of them in more places, yes, but other than alqaeda in the arabian peninsula, all of these affiliates are really focused on the countries where they are operating. For example, alqaeda in iraq is trying to destabilize Prime Minister malaki, in syria trying to oust Bashar Al Assad. Its a different threat. I wouldnt say winning or losing. Thats the wrong way to look at it. Its an evolving threat, a different challenge than it was on the eve of the september 11 attacks. Lets look at specific countries, starting with injury. As the chemical weapons deal is moving forward, any unified movement to Bashar Al Assad is in shambles. Some of the strongest fighters joined alqaeda linked fighters, reacting to that news, a spokesman for what is a a more and more track further moderate coalition tried to put a good face on thing. We say we are in a state of war. We are not democratically elected and this is the reality. If we can represent 80 , 90 of the sirens, weve done a tremendous job. They may have the most support among the syrian population, but some experts estimate that now about 80 of 100,000 or so rebel fighters are leaning moderate to hard line jihadists. They are trying to shine this up. When you see a coalition that starts to splinter the way it is, you cant simply say this isnt a big deal. This is a big deal. If we think about whos supporting whom, its not just about the civilians. Theres some 2 million plus people either refugees or displaced people inside of syria itself. We need to talk about the 100,000 fighters, who those people are, who they support and if theyre going moderate to more extreme in terms of what they believe, how are you going to get the coalition to take the leadership role with those guys and thats a real problem for them. Its beyond the splintering. Theres on going fighting among the factions. This week, we saw the Syrian Free Army killed an alqaeda linked leader, kurdish fighters also killed another alqaeda leader. There seems to be a civil war within a civil war. What happens now, and how does the west, the u. S. In particular figure out what to do and whom to support . Its one of the biggest problems. When you start looking at syria in general, lets just take one simple example. You think of the kurds in northern syria, the kurds, the p. K. K. , they cross not just syria, but they cross parts of northern iraq, they take a large swath of turkey. How do you convince those groups to be a part of a broader coalition, while at the same time, youre looking at other elements that may be not with the coalition, but that doesnt necessarily make them alqaeda. I think personally that one of the things that the u. S. Is afraid of is theyre afraid of repeating some of the mistakes that we made in afghanistan because in the 19 creates, where all of a sudden we were funding organizations and people and eventually, those people turned against us. This is what john mccain said earlier this month about the western backed free syrian army. The overwhelming majority of the Syrian People want Bashar Al Assad gone. By the way, they are not extremists and jihadists and the Syrian People would reject extremists and jihadists. Common thread is that all want assad gone. If he goes, what happens if the strength is really in these less moderate hands, what will happen . Yes, and i think he is going to fall fairly soon. If you looked at a battlefield map recently, hes lost a tremendous amount of territory. Even rebel in fighting is not material to the overall fight. The rebels are advancing in difference provinces, even as this infighting is going on. What happens after hes gone . Syria is a very mediterranean coastal, western looking society. So was lebanon in the 1970s and look whats happened there. Ok, but even the Islamist Groups in lebanon are very different from the taliban or yemen, saudi, islamists. Basically, real radical islam takes root mainly in the interior of the arabian peninsula, the desert. The coastal areas of the middle east tend to be more moderate, more cosmopolitan. Radical puritanical is plaquist movements tend to be rejected or watered down substantially. If you look at Muslim Brotherhood in egypt, its much more modern than many islamists in yemen or saudi arabia. Syria is going to be syria no matter what. Its secular, mediterranean, coastal, and its going to water down these very puritanical islamic tendencies. A lot of reports say these groups are much better organized, fund understand and its creating problems for the west as to whom to give money to. Yeah, thats one of the biggest problems of all. If we think about this from an american per specti, what the americans have been trying to do is to figure out how to support the coalition. Yet at the same time, theyre petrified if they support them, some resources will end up in the hands of the alqaeda affiliates or other extremist groups. What happens when you deny resources to the coalition, it makes the coalition seem weak, makes them seem incompetent and strangely enough, by denying the coalition resources, you strengthen the mother extremist groups who say look, these guys arent doing everything. Lets go back to the big alqaeda, the one original remnant left. A warning was issued to anyone who would work with the west, specifically in syria. The United States and its allies try to support the secular parties but failed. They started to form new awake anyones in syria that will fail. I warn my brothers not to form any relationships with these parties. What happened in egypt is a perfect lesson on this. We talked earlier that there was no central leadership, that its also u. All going to spread out. Does he have a say with the alqaeda folks in syria or is he more of a somewhat inspirational figure. I see no evidence of significant connections between him in pakistan and alqaeda fighters in syria. They call themselves alqaeda, but i think theyre using the alqaeda brand to recruit, to bring in people from chechnya, fighters, jihadist fighters, libya, elsewhere. Alqaeda, when we think of alqaeda, its bin ladennism. That trend is really on the dehe cline. We have to look at alqaeda really as a group of local maxes, all focused on the politics and environment of the countries they are operating. I see zawahri having no influence on what is going on in syria at all. Actually, i agree. We he look at what he has actually said. His influence is far more in egypt than syria. Hes from egypt himself. When you look at the recent arab spring and realize what has happened there, that influence is there because he has that personal connection, but there is no more command and control, and that has been one of the things that the west has been effective in lopping off. That doesnt mean theyre gone, it just means its not being directed from elsewhere. Theres been al shabab recruiting in minnesota. Theres been videos about the socalled martyrs, the path to paradise. Heres one of the comments from that video. If you guys only knew how much fun we have over here. This is the real disney land. Come here and join us. Now, that young man apparently went on to be a suicide bomber. We know that alqaeda, the leadership did years ago send fighters to africa. Do you see some of the people weve talked over the past few days think al shabab has not gotten stronger, that nine robey was an act are desperation . We take a look back at one of the international attacks in uganda in 2010, this one going after soft targets, if they were going after African Union troops, kenyan troops, it would show their power, but it also shows willingness to get out there and swing. I agree in this point, if we look at what al shabab is doing, theyre in east africa, inside of somalia, just touching on kenya, but thats tied to civil war issues that the kenyans are involved in. Theyre not reaching beyond that. They dont have that capability, certainly not at this point. Final question, what does this mean for america. I know you both have said you think the way alqaeda is functioning now that attacking abroad is getting harder and harder. With these kind of lone wolf attacks or small groups especially when youve got people coming from the United States to train in those places, do we need to be worried . Well, were seeing diplomats in the region need to be worried, there are other installations in the persian gulf that we use to defend the persian golf security, installations in africa. I think u. S. Personnel, u. S. Citizens in the middle east, north africa, south asia region. I think the dangers have increased. In terms of the homeland and european mainland, i think its substantially less threatens than it was in 2001. Lets hope that is the case. Jack rice, ken catsman, appreciate you joining us tonight. Consider this will be right back. Gripping films, from the worlds top documentary directors this is just the beginning of somthing much bigger. Tomorrow. The premier of budrus the primary concern of the fronts is security that trumps everything how could a wall designed to divide, unite israelis and palestinians Al Jazeera America presents. Budrus premiers tomorrow night 9 eastern. Our week long series on the cost of health care continues with the impact on Small Businesses. A new Government Survey shows premiums nationwide would be 16 less than first thought and 95 of people live in a state where average premiums will be lower than expected. Still, the mandate requires companies with 50 or more employees to supply their workers with Health Insurance or face a fine of 2,000 per employee. The first 30 employees would not cause finds. Those would begin with the 31st employee on up. Companies with less than 25 get subs decease as long as the average salary is less than 50,000 a year. The law is very confusing, long and impacting Small Business owners in a real way. We are joined now by two of them. Joey runs a printing business in philadelphia with forth eight employees, 44 of them full time. He pace all health care costs, but doesnt like the law. It offers a host of unknown costs that could force him to avoid expanding. Mike roach likes the new law. They sell Womens Clothing and jewelry. With 12 employees, he qualifies for the subs decease, but said he would provide insurance anyway, because he feels it is the right thing to do. Joe, you are already covering your full time employees, their full premiums right now but say the law is taking away four ability to expand. Why would it affect you if youre already paying their coverage . Somebody that is voluntarily providing Health Insurance for their employees, the 25 years ive run the business, im concerned im going to be able to do that in the future. The unknowns about this law are affecting my investment, how much im willing to invest, how aggressive i want to be, because its a potential increase in expenses and i have no idea how to budget for them, because its such a dramatic change. Mike, youre one of the people already getting benefits from obamacare. What impacts have that had on your costs . It has fairly dramatically decreased our cost to providing insurance to the degree with weve received approximately 5,000 per year for the lastee years to help off set the cost of our employees insurance in the form of the federal income tax credit available for Small Businesses with 25 or fewer employees. I might add id love to see that 25 employee threshold go up to 50, so that Business Owners like joe would qualify, potentially qualify for those federal income tax credits. Joe does it upset you that a business, a smaller business like mikes is getting the subs decease and youre not . Who should get them . It does. Its tough, because how do you explain to my employees that if were bidding against work against the company that has a lower expense base than ours, theyre getting government credits and once again, its the government picking winners and losers, rather than letting the market do so. It winds up hurting some while it tries to help others. Mike, isnt it easier to like the law when youre getting federal funds to cover some of your insurance costs. Well, i think thats fair. Ill tell you, i think that in fairness to small real mom and pop businesses and actually, we only have six employees of our 12 that actually utilize the coverage, because their others are covered under their spouses or their parents, we have the negotiates power of six employees, which isnt much to work with when youre up against your Health Insurance company. Joe does have 44 employees. Thats a little more leverage. Its still not a lot, but certainly more than we have with six. The aca, the Affordable Care act has somewhat leveled the Playing Field for Small Companies for us that for years saw double digit increases for most years. Really Large Companies have a lot more leverage. The law includes a mandate, any company with more than 50 employees have to provide for full time staffers, part time workers have to work less than 30 hours a week or the company will have to provide Health Insurance. What are you hearing from other Business Owners who are already over that 50 employee threshold and how does it affect you, too, and you say near that . I know you have some part time workers. Its definitely affected my decisions. Weve gone with a lot, any new hires have been from temporary agencies or part time workers. From Business Owners ive spoken to, theres huge concern, but so much unknown. Many owners have just not had the ability, because theyre so busy running their business, they dont know what is coming fort in this law. I think as it rolls out, its going to be even more of a shock to certain Business Owners, what their liabilities are, potential fines, penalties, more man dates, higher taxes. They are not aware of that yet. We have a viewer question. Joe, do you have moral concerns along with your Business Concerns . Shies we know you have to make money, but where is the balance . Right, as somebody that ive been running the business for 25 years, its a familyowned business, most employees have been with me for 1520 years and i consider them family. I want to do whats best for them. Thats my whole concern. I pay 100 of their premiums. Im concerned that im not going to be able to do this Going Forward especially if my competition starts putting their employees on to the exchanges. I may be forced to do so just to compete and survive. Mike, as joe has been saying, and as we gauge some of the information about how this affects Small Businesses, it can be very confusing. Im sure you have some empathy for people worried that they dont know what theyre in for. Absolutely. Im glad joe brought up the exchanges, because the state exchanges i feel hold forth the hope for actually stabilizing for the first time in a long time the cost of Health Insurance for Small Business owners and their employees. We have a meeting october 9 with our Insurance Broker that weve used for five years and were going to go over all the choices that will be available under our cover Oregon Health exchange here. Were fortunate to have a state that has embraced the aca and has a very well developed exchange. The exchange will be doing what we call employee carrier choice with where all six of our employees can each pick a different Insurance Company that offers the plan that best suits them. Were very excited about that. We think some of those plans will be lower cost than the ones weve been using. Weve been using a one size fits none approach to our employees Health Insurance as probably joe has for all the years weve had it, because we couldnt afford to have multiple carriers and now the exchange will be doing what we call consolidated billing where they will send us a bill for each of the Six Companies that might be chosen by our employees, and well write one check per month for that coverage. Were excited about the fact that our employees are going to be able to get exactly the plan they want. The law hasnt gone into effect yet. Theres been tons of political back and forth, lots of misinformation on both sides, death panels from the right, the guarantee to be able to keep your doctor from the administration, which has now been backing off on that. Joe, once the law is settled, do you hope that or do you think there might be the chance to reality will be less scary than you thought and it all may be much to do about nothing . I just see looking at 2000 pages of legislation, already theyve backed off on change, delayed, no, im not optimistic. The exchanges, being from new jersey where we are probably in the top three as far as the most expensive premiums, because its such a heavily regulated state, many of the features are obamacare are already in place here as far as Community Based access. That caused premium increased in my opinion over the past 20 years on average on myself, at least 25 a year. Mike, are you concerned that the costs might end up higher than you first thought no. Thats been a concern every year of mine since we started Offering Group health n. Its important to remember that the preAffordable Care act environment for small bees was horrible in terms of the increases we saw every year, so im at least hopeful that we could see Rate Stabilization and im very excited about the fact that our employees that are the most valuable asset in our business will be able to select plans that exactly meet their financial and medical needs for the first time in our history of Offering Group insurance. Mike and joe, i really appreciate you and wish you the best in your Businesses Health care covering your employees. Film fans know Sienna Miller gracing red carpets around the world for more than a decade. Shes also been a Global Action bass door for the International Medical core. The group has done relief world around are the world for decades. Miller has helped launch a First Responders program. Its basically we are trying to enable people in communities to become self efficient, so the best response to a disaster is from the people on the ground from the communities themselves. That is our commitment here at the clinton global initiative. Weve launder the celebrities First Responders, people who will lend their names in appeals and which had hopefully spike traffic, et cetera. How important is it to get those people involved and to help out. I think the culture we live in, people respond to that sort of assistance from well known people. It really does make a huge difference for the organization. I feel fortunate to have gotten some of the people weve managed to recruit. Youve been active, traveling to the congo, haiti, through your roam as an ambassador. What kind of things have you seen, what has struck you the most . Ive seen so many things, too many to recount. Ive seen a woman who flat lined in a makeshift tent in portauprince and two minutes later, from doctors, she came back to life. That was the most profound experience. I met victims of gbg and malnutrition and scarfation. Its always an encouraging work in the field, because you see the things done. Most of the medical staff are locally trained individuals. Its not putting a bandaid on a problem, its training a community to become resilient and self sufficient, which is vital. The positive consequences of what you see overcome just very tough situations that you face, death, disaster, how do you deal with the suffering you witness, and how has it changed you . Well, you know, its impossible not to be effected by it, its devastating. In a sense, its a huge gift, you realize how fortunate we are in the world we live in and how wonderful i am in my life. Its devastating, heartbreaking and very hard as a new mother to not feel affected especially by the children who are victims of disease and poverty and a lot of its preventable. You try to shine a light on the fantastic work the association is doing. You know, keep working at it. The greatest humanitarian crisis going on right now in the word is in syria, a couple of million refugees who have left the country, youve got 5 Million People displaced within the country. The International Medical core hob working in syria since 2007, they started helping iraq keys fleeing the iraq war, now in the middle of another humanitarian crisis. The medical core was just given a big grant to help Syrian Refugees that have gone to turkey. How much have you heard about what the organization is doing there . Its not something im going to talk about now. Its obviously a delicate situation and a terrifying crisis, but the International Core are in 70 countries around the world. Our focus is on africa to enable them to become self sufficient. Thats what were here to talk about. The International Medical core has responded to familiar anyone in somalia, ethnic cleansing, to the tsunami, the challenges must be enormous when the Organization Goes and faces those kinds of crises. Theyve been around for 30 years. Its a significant organization. It is. What would you tell people who would like to support them . I just think its an organization that really is completely incredible. Ive seen the work firsthand, and as i said before, what they do, which is really different is they train the community to become self sufficient, so its empowering, respectful of the countries that were visiting. The work they do is incredibly beneficial for tons of people. Its an organization they should definitely look into. How does the organization coordinate with other humanitarian organizations . What have you seen when youve gone and helped in responding to these cries . Last year, i was in the horn of africa and there are obviously tons of ngos, a big crisis at the famine. The u. N. Tends to run the whole thing and other organizations, everyone pitches together so you can do nutrition, sanitation after a while, people get allocated to different things. It doesnt tend to be too competitive in that situation. Everyones there ultimately for the goal of helping as many as possible, and of course that means cooperating with other organizations. We worked with many, many different people over the years, and crib to do so. I think our incentive is to reach as many people as possible. Interestingly, were a bunch of news people here and none of us, we were having a discussion earlier, had heard about the International Revenue core, even though its had a revenue over 230 million, thats up there with Doctors Without Borders that Everybody Knows about. Why do you think the International Medical core, very well managed, has managed to fly under the radar . I think its, you know, the focus for the organization has really been on the work and its incredibly beneficial to have exposure. What im trying to do is shine a light on the organization as much as possible, but a lot of the funding, money that people spend on advertising, we put into the field, work and programs that were running. But obviously, exposure is important, this is why with the group of First Responders, we have january ham, robert patterson, trying to get medical core on the map. Were doing incredible work, but people havent necessarily heard of us, so thats where i come in. Important message to get out. What country do you hope to work in next . Im hopefully planning a trip to jordan. Thats next on the agenda. Id love to go back to the congo. Its stunningly beautiful and in such crisis, i really fell in love with it. There are tons of places. Id love to go everywhere, all their programs are inspiring. Id love to visit them all. Sienna miller, global ambassador, thank you for joining us. Thank you very much. We wish you and the organization the worlds best efforts. You can visit internationalmedicalcorps. Org for more information. Well be back after this. What happens when social media uncovers unheard, fascinating news stories . It drives discussion across america. Share your story on tv and online. Getting your favorite songs for free is not new but for an industry that has suffered extreme lows, pandora, an on line streaming service won a federal court case. The decision up holds its right to the play all the compositions in the catalog. The counsel says what does i did mean for the Music Industry and how will it affect musicians . Joining us from phoenix is bill wyman and singer songwriter and guitarist david lowry. Thanks for being with us tonight. Bill, its a whole new world. Weve got traditional radio, satellite radio, the itunes of the world, music streaming websites, c. D. S are still out there. Royalties depend on how the music is being played, where its being played. Can you try to explain how musicians make their money especially with this whole music streaming thing . Well, antonio, thanks for having me and ill try. Its such a complicated world. This is something where a whole lot of lawyers got involved really early on. You have to remember that the music business is one of the more corrupt industries that we have in america, and they sort of devoted themselves to keeping as much money from artists as it ever has and you have all this combined with th the absolute vaporization of the industry. The one thing we should know Going Forward is there are a couple kinds of royalties, one if youre the songwriter and one the performer. For a beatles song, john and paul are getting money every time its played because they wrote the song, but the beatles george and ringo get no money when its played, because they pay only song writing righties, not performance righties. A whole lot of other things, new streaming services, the Music Industry said wait a minute, were not going to let you get away with only paying the song writers, they have the song writing, called publishes and performance, so you have two streams of royalties, but then you have these myriad forms. You have radio, you have the c. D. s, but you also have juke boxes, pandora, which is one form of streaming, spottify, placement commercials and t. V. Shows, movies and myriad of others. Each of these all with royalties coming on different miniscule percentages, and paying the song writers and performers. On paper, you think musicians must be making a ton of money. The royalties you received from pandora was 16 for the song low, a song of yours being played more than a million times. You own 40 of that song, that means pandora paid everybody just 40. 25. Your song being played again and again and again on line, but how do you make money from this . Well, yes. Thats true. I mean, when you look at that and you say what where else do you get a million of anything, except maybe the old lira for 17. I mean, a million of anything for, you know, essentially 17, or a total of 42 for everybody involved in writing the songs is a little crazy. I also get a little money, though, as a performer. Im one of the lucky ones, im also the performer, and so i get another 151, also from that million. I should be clear. The main problem, though, is that in this country, unlike almost every ore country in the world, weve decided to force songwriters to license their songs to webcasters, right . We cant opt out. Further, we essentially set this rate based the government actually sort of man dates that we have to let the webcasters use our songs and we also they also set the price essentially through this rate court in new york. Now here we are, the bastion of capitalism and weve got the government regulating songs and setting the prices like its nylons and its world war ii or sugar or Something Like that. Its fairly bizarre, because i dont really know what the right price for a song is. I mean, maybe its a little more than that, maybe a lot more than that, i just know its not the rate were getting paid right now, because there is no free market in song. We have a social media question for you. Hermela. After news broke that pandora won their court case, a lot of people felt few significances and artists were wronged by the outcome of the case, but for musicians, are there any positives to Music Services like pandora and spottify . Well, yes, let me talk about theres webcasting and theres streaming. Streaming is on demand, webcasting is you dont really get to choose the song. You get paid a lot more from streaming it wases and its a percentage of revenue, so if in fact, youre paying for premium spottify, more money is going to the artist. Ok no if youre using the ad service, you know, artists are the ad supported service, artists are getting fairly well, its not great. When youre talking c. D. s, as a song righter, you can make a lot of money if you sell publisher c. D. S, some artists are making 8 on a 9. 99 c. D. , but its being sold out there as a retail album, the artist is only getting a dollar and the label is also getting a dollar, but whats really surprising is when you download a full album at 9. 99, the label is getting 5. 35 and the artist only 94 cents. How does that work . This was interesting and what happened when we went to the digital era, and this is a point where i might agree with bill on this, is that the artists royalties remain the same, but the record labels cost shrank dramatically. Thats the question i wanted to ask. In digital, youve got no production cost, so how in the world is the label making all that money and the artist making less . All these deals were cut before everyone understood how the digital age was going to evolve and some artists were suing the companies a lot saying hey, a digital download is like when a movie uses our song, because they generally split those proceeds and label said no, no, when you sell it digitally, you only get your dollar royalty. It didnt cost the label that much to make the c. D. s. It was a quarter or 50 cents or even if it was a dollar and artists are always going to get roughly 10 of that money. Whats happened now is once artists, because art its are smart and have smart managers and as time moved on have gottennen higher and higher royalty rates. Its not bog to matter, because c. D. Sales are a quarter of what they were 10 years ago, people are buying it at 14th as many. I think that maybe, the model might be spottify, ok, now, the problem with pandora is that you get a very small per stream rate, a small percentage of a current, but thats because its one person listening to it. Where as with radio, 10,000 people might be listening to it. Ok . With spottify, because the rate as david said, the listener gets to choose, you do get a little more money. Spottify makes the argument that look, its like renting, if you buy a Bruce Springsteen album and listen to it 10,000 times, how much per listen did you pay for and if youre getting a nickel a track on spottify, over time over 10 years, that might actually add up to a lot of money. I want to get one last question in. Were seeing big brands. You dont get a nickel a track on spottify, all rights holders, the record labels, artists get about. 6 of a cent. Half a cent, youre right, yeah. 110th of that. But spottify, yes, could be the way, but the rails need to go up, and they need to pay higher rates. Spottify is the right idea, it just doesnt pay enough by my back of the match book calculation. Guys, were going to have to leave it there. Certainly the big brand nails are still making a lot of money, the rihannas and stay lower swifts of the word. It wasnt long ago, artists were getting 3 million deals and those days are long gone. Appreciate you being with us tonight. Consider are this will be right back. c] space scientists have been very busy especially over the past couple of weeks from finding proof of water on mars to the voyager becoming the first spacecraft to enter interstellar space. Scientists claim they have discovered proof of alien life after collecting dust samples during a recent meteor shower. They found single cell algae. The question now is where did these diatoms come from, derrick, thanks for joining us. What are the chances that these diatoms are from another planet . Theres some discussion about this. Not everybody agrees on this discovery. It would be really wonderful if there was much more concrete evidence about these diatoms actually having come from space. Montenegrin are these tiny single celled, i believe concrete you haves found in sea water here on the plan net surface on the earth. There was really only one piece of a diatoms found. Its hardly conclusive. In addition, if you continue to read further, you find out that the sample wasnt taken very broadly and a number of other small complicating factors. When we get down to it, its hard to take this on the surface value for what they claim it could be. So no sure ail yep life yet. Lets switch over to mars and the new pictures from in the is as curious city rover, offering evidence that mars was once wet. Is it clear now that mars definitely had water at some point and the question becomes could that have supported life . I have to say, antonio, many years ago, back in the late 1970s looking at satellite photographs of mars, using air photo Analysis Techniques applied to swelling. , it was really evident that long ago that many of the surface features we see on mars are created by the flow of some liquid across the surface. After having seen chemical evidence of the fact that Minerals Found on mars, some mineral that can only be created in a watery environment certainly proved to me as well as many other scientists that mars was much, much wetter in its past. In fact, if you look closely, what you find is theres still water frozen into the surface soil of mars as perma frost. It doesnt exist on the surface, but we know for sure water is there, and know mars did have large bodies of water in its past. So life or no life . I would love for there to have been life. We need to find some fat sills or find some more contemporary evidence. I think it would make a lot of sense to send some paleontologists to mars and they would find the evidence pretty quickly. Were talking about sending people to mars, theres a reality t. V. Show that is trying to send people to mars and establish a colony there, but according to nasa, a man mission to mars wont be possible soon, because it would expose astronauts to radiation that would lead to cancer. Will it be a long time before that allows us to get to mars . So Space Exploration has never really been an easy thing to do. Its fraught with risks and theres no lack of risks in sending people to mars for other reasons besides the radiation factor and thats a problem. What weve been able to do is find ways to mitigate risks to make it worthwhile to make such trips. If we can come up with a method to mitigate the radiation exposure, that opens the door to travel around the solar system more freely, martian would be one of the first places to go to nail down this question of whether or not there is any other life in other solar system. Im sure wed like to go back to the moon. The moon is 100 million years younger than scientists had previously believed. The question, though, is were talking billions of years here, so 100 million not so much in the grand scheme of things. Whats the significance of the discovery . I think the significance of the discovery runs in two directions, really, its our ability to further interpret the evidence that were collecting, both from earth as its history of its early formation with the moon, and our ability to better analyze lunar samples, as well, that tell us, give us more details about the early history of the moon. The other piece is that being able to better understand how the moon was formed in this solar system can give us hint and clues about the formation of planets orbiting other stars in our galaxy, it helps us get a better view or understanding of what may have been going on or what could be going on in other solar systems. Its only recently that weve been able to clearly identify planets orbiting other stars and certainly hundreds of that, so theres a much bigger story for us to chase down. We may chase down more of that information now that voyager one spacecraft according to nasa has become the first man made object that has entered interstellar space, passing the atmosphere around the sun. Theres been debate if this has happened at all. Oh, yes, the debate has been going on for a couple of years now. The reason why is because as we get to these outer reaches of the solar system, we are encountering a region were not familiar with. A few years ago, as early as last year, scientists were unsure about whether or not we had past the helio pause, because it seemed we were outside, back in, then out, then back in. It was at that point the physicists realized that it was pulsing back and forth over the spacecraft. So now that were well and you said of it, we can detect that weve actually past is and are that much further out. Not out of the solar system yet be, still a ways fog for that, but at least as far as weve ever sent anything before. Lets get a social media question. Thanks, antonio. What is the expected life span of voyager one . Thats a great question. Engineers expect voyager one will continue to operate for another decade or so, 12 years or more. Around that time period, 12 years and thats a really wonderful thing, because it tells us that the engineering that went into this was really good, well be able to continue to do good science. The longer the spacecraft lasts, the more bang we get for our buck that we pay for to build these. 35 years is a long time for a spacecraft. These will eventually have cost us just pennies by the time they run out of energy. Bang for your buck, the new spacecraft for the International Space station had to skip its first attempt to link up with the space station. This is private money going to these new rockets. A good idea, you think that we have taken a lot of this private . Oh, i think its a fabulous idea. I makes perfect sense. Thinking back to the early 1990s what a lot of corporations did was out source the easy work and did the things they could focus on and do it well. This is the kind of thing nasa needs to focus on. I think its the direction theyre going in farming out the easy stuff. It doesnt take much to launch toilet paper and tissues up to the International Space station. Nasa is doing what i call evolving from being a Space Program of the 1950s and 1960ed and 1970s to being a Space Program of the 21st century in which they take on the big jobs, going back to the moon, going on to mars and the other daring things in the solar system and leaving the six delivery work to be outsourced. We may have space to yourism starting in a few months. It will cost you a quarter million dollars. Im sure youd like to go, i hope youre saving. Thank you for being on the show tonight. The show may be over, but the conversation continues on facebook or our google plus places. You can also go to twister. Well see you next time