Why have these men and thousands more been repeatedly deported. And weeding out trouble. Now to the legalized pot business, denvers mayor gets the straight dope from a city with more experience. Good evening, thanks for joining us. Im joie chen. We have come to count on Technology Improving our lives, making it better and safer. What Police Describe as serial killings in Southern Californias Orange County may give us reason to consider. The two suspects, parolees, were wearing ankle bracelets. Investigators believe they had the monitoring devices on when they raped and killed four local women. Here is america tonights michael okay u. Last month a body was found on a Conveyor Belt of a recycling center, leading police to 45yearold steven gordon, and frank canna, convicted s offenders tide to the disappearance of at least three more Orange County women. Utilisation of gps, the two suspects, and additional evidence led us to these individuals. Police used cell phone records and gps bracelets worn by the suspects to link them to the murder of four women. There could be more bodies. We are confident theres one additional, possibly more. Authorities believe the men knew each other by may 2012, when they managed to cut their ankle bracelets and board a Greyhound Bus to las vegas, using fake names. After a two week stay at the hotel, the two men, wanted fugitives, were arrested by federal agents. After the recent arrest they complied with monthly check inns, surprisingly within the time frame of the murders. According to police they were wearing new ankle bracelets. Authorities have not answered the nagging questions. How were they able to commit the crimes whilst being monitored by the gps bracelets. I did not know about the gps until today. Im not fond of it now. It seems it does not work. Law enforcement officials face serious questions do bracelets work, are they enough. In Orange County the county terminated their contract with the company that provided the gps monitoring services. This led to an audit of the probation monitoring system. One in every four gps devices used to track criminals released in l. A. County proved to be faulty, allowing felons to roam undetected for days. A troubling find ag as californias counties adopted the devices. Equally worrying as the case of gordon and kaino suggests, if on parol paroleee is wearing a bracelet. Offenders. It raises doubt about the security of a virtual prison. Joining us is jack wallace, coordinator with the sex formerly. Can you tell us how Effective Work . Yes, they work as far as their intended purpose. Theres a misconception out there that people are being monitored in real time, and in reality that is not the case. So how are they being monitored. Does that mean the data is coming in. If my movements are tracked, you find out about it later, but you dont know what im doing at this moment. Thats correct. What it does is provide parole agents the location of where their parolees are. So its not going to prevent crimes. It will help in the identifies and the apprehension of crimes, and its done that in several instances. But as far as being a crime detective tool, or a preventive tool, its not. There is some evidence that perhaps its a deterrent for some offenders, because if you place them at a location at a specific time, it will help authority with apprehension. Is there a problem at all with the devices functioning. Did they tend to work well in terms of actual recording the data. Can they be broken off for example because we understand in this particular case the what suspects involved had previously broken out of the bracelets. You can break out of the bracelets or cut the bracelets off. However, as soon as you do that it sounds an alarm to the parole agent and lets him know that that has occurred. So they can then respond and theyll identify they will immediately place a warrant out for their arrest, if they are trying to get away or trying to go to another state or Something Like that. Is the concern about the companies that do the monitoring. I understand there was a case not in california, but a case where the parolees, the one who pays for the monitoring service, and when the individual quit paying, they quit monitoring. That could be the case in some places. Its not the case in california. The citizens of california pay for the monitoring, and, in essence, through their taxes, and its a budgeted item through the department of corrections. Is it a reason for people to feel falsely secure because a gps device is on individuals . I understand that its not going to prevent crimes, then i mislead. We appreciate your being with us, and the insight into the devices. Former coordinator with the sex offender management board. Appreciate it. Looking ahead on america investigation. The warehousing of children in florida nursing homes. Why does it happen . Well go on the money trail. If you follow the money, incredible. The children dont vote or write campaign checks or come up to lobby the politicians in the capital. Sheila macvicar follows the money. In america tonights Ongoing Investigation into the dumping of medically fragile children into institutions where they clearly dont belong. Well have her report on thursday on america tonight. Coming up after the break losing his way home even the judge agreed hes a u. S. Citizen. Why did this man and thousands of others get deported with no Aljazeera America presents a break through Television Event borderland. Are you tellin me its ok to just open the border, and let em all run in . The teams live through the hardships that forced mira, omar and claudette into the desert. Running away is not the answer. Is a chance at a better life worth leaving loved ones behind . Did omar get a chance to tell you goodbye before he left . Which side of the fence are you on . Sometimes immigration is the only alternative people have. Borderland only on Al Jazeera America the stream is uniquely interactive television. In fact, we depend on you, your ideas, your concerns. All these folks are making a whole lot of money. You are one of the voices of this show. I think youve offended everyone with that kathy. Hold on, theres some room to offend people, im here. We have a right to know whats in our food and monsanto do not have the right to hide it from us. So join the conversation and make it your own. Watch the stream. And join the conversation online ajamstream. As a fight for Immigration Reform inches slowly forward the Obama Administration kept up a muscular approach to deportation, forcing a Record Number of migrants to leave the United States. While the white house says it targets undocumented criminals, an al jazeera investigation finds some deportees had every right to stay here, they are u. S. Citizens. In an exclusive report adam raney met a man who fought for three years to prove his citizenship, and another still fighting to keep from being wrongly deported again. This is perg tri for this man. He gets deported, crosses back gaol. When you get released. Imprisoned in arizona, hes been here so many times the guards joke hes a frequent flyer. Every time he crosses the u. S. Border he risks injury or worse. Border agents picked him up nearly dead from dehydration. Another time smugglers beat him up and broke his fingers. Once he was kidnapped. Put us in a room. Blood on the walls and floor. They tied us up from the back, hands on the back. Put tape on us. They put us on our knees. He only escaped with a strangers help. Get the bus and get out of here, she told me. You. When they come back, you face a risk you could die. Why do you come back . I have no family in mexico. I dont have nobody in mexico, i dont have nobody to help me out. I just need to get back. What can i do in mexico. He has strong evidence that hes a u. S. Citizen. This is his fathers Arizona State birth certificate, proof enough that father and son were citizens. It was enough to convince a jury that he broke no law crossing into the u. S. And had the right to enter the country. Those that make the final determination, immigration judges, have not been persuaded. His life is in limbo. He crosses in areas like this, the open desert. In the summer temperatures reach above 100 degrees. According to official figures, more than 2200 migrants died along the border since 2001. The number could be higher. Immigration officials denied several requests for an interview. But in a statement to al jazeera, the government avoided saying whether steban was or was not a citizen, only saying a judge ordered him to be deported to mexico and cited his criminal history of drug possession. Away from the prison we go to stebans mothers house, through central arizona, where he lived all but three of his 40 years. Its the only place he considers home. This woman says she needs her youngest son at home. Translation im worried that he is out there alone, whether hes eating, what hes eating. Where hes sleeping. If something will happen to him. 83 years old, she has little time left with her son. Many mothers share her flight. He is among 2 million deported under president obama a record. We wanted to meet others that say they were deported despite being u. S. Citizens. In louisiana, oyster man, rob, is on the water. The underthetable job is all he could get after being deported to mexico. He was picked up by chance on the outskirts of new orleans. Immigration didnt believe he was a citizen. It took him three years to prove them wrong. Again. I get nervous when i pass a police officer. Im hispanic, and they look at me and see im hispanic. I might end up going through the same thing again because my Social Security number is not active. It shows that im deported. The government told us hes a convicted criminal alien and was a deportation priority. He was charged with possessing drugs and stolen property. After three years in mexico, they allowed him back in. In 2012 they issued him in document, stating that he became a citizen in 2002, six years before he was deported. We asked immigration and Customs Enforcement if they had mistakenly deported a u. S. Citizen. They did not respond. When he came back, he rejoined his family, who fought long and hard for his return. They have started another fight. This time to have his record wiped clean. He is suing the government for 1. 5 million, and to have mention of his deportation purged. Without that, he can only work under the table and cant fully exercise his rites. His lawyer says its a test case that could set a precedent not just for deportees, but anyone looking for a new start, including terrorism suspects. The court said he didnt mention he was a u. S. Citizen. He was asked . They denied it. They looked up and i told them my dad was a citizen, and they looked up the file and showed me on the computer he was a patriot, u. S. Citizen. His lawyer says the fathers file should have given officials pause. At some point someone should have looked at what he was saying, and said wait, lets slow this down and investigate. When you look at the records that ice created and three months later the United States is putting him on a plane walking him across the border, down. Without his family andreas never would have returned. His sister quit his job to work full time on his return. They say they are not going to separate families, but they are not. They continue to separate families. More and more i hear my family is deported, they said they were going to stop this. Is it really going to stop . Will they keep separating families . While in mexico, he missed the birth of his niece and nephew. His sister says sometimes she feels she no longer knows her brother and hopes the clean record will bring back the brother she knew. He change. I hope if we win, hell come back. Its a person here. But it just defeats you. Not his spark, his sense of humour is gone. That happy person. She only sees the old one. He can only dream of such freedom. Esteban has been in prison for three months. Deportation. It stress me out so i get depressed. Because where im going to do. Crossing through the desert, and they keep deporting me. I think its not fair what they keep doing. Country. Days later the cycle began again. Immigration officials deported him back to mexico, a country where he feels like a stranger. For the first time he finds himself questioning if he has the strength to make it across the border, only to face another stint . Prison. He wonders if hell ever go home. Correspondent adam raney made repeat requests of the u. S. Immigration and kust joms Enforcement Division and the department of homeland community. Both declined to be interviewed. Programming note for our viewers, al jazeera presents borderland, a documentary series wednesday after the break fighting and death is it civil war, or what excites me about detroit is the feeling of possibility. The rebirth of an america city were looking at what every city can learn from detroit, the industrial revival entrepreneurs driving growth communities fighting back. Were fighting for you and were taking these neighborhoods back, for you. A special look at the moves adding fuel to the motor city five days in detroit only on Al Jazeera America. Well its official. Xfinity watchathon week was the biggest week in television history. 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The total Lunar Eclipse visible in the Early Morning hours across the u. S. If you missed it there wont be another visible in this country for another five years. The hunt will go on. Two japanese groups intend to modify and continue scientific whaling in antarctic waters where they have clashed with antiwhaling activists. An International Court ordered a halt to the hunt this season. Another victim was pulled from the mud and debris in oso. 37 died in the mudslide. Seven people are still missing. A warning from russias leaders is ukraine on the brink of civil war . The kiev government launched a campaign against armed prorussian militias, in the east, where separatists seized air bases and government buildings. Sheila macvicar with more. Ukrainian forces on the move, 100 files from the russian border. Part of a massive Security Campaign that kiev calls an antiterrorist operation. The goal to drive separatists from occupied buildings in the donetsk region. A ukrainian fighter jet roared over the area. Military leaders said they had retaken another occupied airfield in slovyansk. Unlike the peaceful take over, ukraines leaders signalled that they will use force to defend their sovereignty. In other towns prorussian militants are hunkering down in buildings, bracing for confrontation. There are fears, not least among the allies, that the opposition can lead to casualties, giving russia an excuse to invade on the pretext of defending the large population. The white house invaded russia insisting they had a responsibility to provide law and order. Solution. N. A. T. O. Called on russia to pull back troops from the boarder with ukraine, echoing settlement. We are not discussing military options. We do believe that the right way forward is to find the political and diplomatic solution. However, we are focussed militarily on strengthening defense of our allies thats our core task. Across the border russia criticised ukraines military operation. Sergei lavrov on tuesday warned ukraine about using force against the prorussian separatists and threatened to boycott talks in the crisis scheduled for thursday. You cannot send in tanks and at the amount hold talks. The use of force sab targes the opportunity for the fourparty geneva. On his Facebook Page and twitter, Dmitry Medvedev had this omnant comment words repeated by russian president Vladimir Putin in a phone conversation with germanys angela merkel. Taking strain to russias troubled relationship with the u. S. , a call between president s president obama and Vladimir Putin achieved little besides traded blame days after a russian fighter buzzed a u. S. Warship in the black sea, an incident called provocative. The message is we see you, we dont like you in the backyard and prefer you leave. Back at the barricades prorussian militants and act leave. Translation people will stand to the end. Theres no army in ukraine that will leave. These are normal people who do not get paid to be here. The former u. S. Ambassador to n. A. T. O. Joins us now. You hear the statements from the russians. Ukraine is on the brink of civil war. What is that indicating to you about russias intentions . That indicates to me that russia intends to continue to use military force. This is not civil war, its a russian confrontation. Armed groups that russia is organising and supporting. And the Ukrainian Government is trying to reestablish control of their own territory, reestablish security for the people in that territory, and then the Russian Special forces and other groups are fighting back against that, creating is a situation of violence. Russia chooses to call this a civil war in order to justify further russian steps to impose security and order and protect russian citizens. The fact that hes using that language indicates to me russias intentions of intervening are alive. The notion of Russian Forces that have been on the borders for a couple of weeks now, almost three weekw. Yes, its expensive to keep people at the high level of readiness. They are there in the first sentence, i think, to intimidate. If they dont, they are prepared to step in under the guys of protecting russian citizens or reestablishing order. That is why they are there. And i think that we run a risk that this has been shooting and violence that russia will turn to them and move them in. What does n. A. T. O. Do or what does it have the will to do. Thats the key question. N. A. T. O. Has the capability to make this difficult for russia, if it chooses to do so. Bearing in mind even though ukraine is not a nato nation. So n. A. T. O. Has no obligation to come to ukraines defense. It would, if this were estonia or latvia. In addition, a lot of allies dont want to step in, get into a situation of being in a conflict with russia. So theyll be hesitant in how far theyll go to assist ukraine. Putin reads that clearly. And the u. S. And the u. S. Lets be clear. The u. S. Doesnt want to military step in this for the United States. Doesnt see troops on the ground, doesnt want to be in a military conflict with russia. If the u. S. Is not going to lead. Thursday . They are a diplomatic cover ground. Here. Thank you. On to other news of the world. The search for a sign for the missing Malaysian Airlines plane continues after a robotic submarine came up empty handed on misunderstand. The bluefin 21 was hauled to the surface six hours after mapping the floor of the ocean, after reaching the maximum depth of 15,000 feet. As many planes and ships are scouring a 24 hour patch of ocean. Officials say the chances of finding any have diminished. The surface search is expected to end in the next few days. Samples are in perth australia, of an oil slick. It will take days more. Lisa stark has been following the disappearance of flight mh370. You know, we think about this and the impact of this rover. We imagine that it will go down and find something, find something quickly, but it cannot see what is down there. No, its pitchblack and freezing. Theres no camera on the submarine, the unmanned sub. It has sonar, sending out a pulse, and lessoned back for the sound waves and thats how it created a 3d map of the surface. It has to be analysed. Thats what they are trying to do very slow and laborious. About. Angeles. And in the dark. Things. Right. Now, the surface search itself. We have seen these planes go out, the ships out there continuing the search. They found nothing. They have not found a trace of the jet. They have found bits and pieces of things, they turned out to be from ships, nothing from the airline. Experts say the ocean currents are tricky. By the time they got to the area to search for the jet, some time this passed. They may be searching in the wrong place or maybe the plane went in in such a way that theres not a lot of debris. Its a huge mystery. And another mystery. Theres indications that the copilots cell phone was on for at least some time after the plane disappeared. There are reports about 30 minutes after the plane made the strange turn away from its intended path, there was a ping from the cell phone. The copilots cell phone to a tower. Not that he was trying to make a phone calm, but cell phones reach out checking out various towers. We dont know what it could mean, its just another piece of evidence. It doesnt bring us any closer to solving the mist ri. A lead that hasnt gone anywhere yet. Lisa stark, thanks. From a tragedy without cleerge to a day of memory and mem brans. Under skies that reflected the horrible day a year ago, boston paused 2 49 in the afternoon, commemorating the moment when explosions rocked the finish line of the iconic marathon, shattering many lives. Ahead of the 118th marathon, the city took time to remember and pay trish utility. The fam tributes. To family and friends that miss loved one, you are strong. To the victims whose Journey Towards healing has just begun. You are strong at this broken place. To those that ran towards the danger and struggled with the sites and sounds of that day. You, too, are strong at this broken place. That strength thrives even in the heart ache of today because of you, because of the compassion that took city. A year ago today we chose to run towards smoke and danger, we utilised our belts and purse straps to create torn quays. We chose to hold the injured in our arms. We chose to offer our hearts to those in despair, and our treasures to those in need. We chose to love and that has made all the difference. [ bells toll ] on Al Jazeera America when science intersects with hope. 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Colorado, and washington state, are weeding out the pitfalls of having made Recreational Marijuana legal. Financial questions, Law Enforcement and community concerns. Theres more to it. Denvers mayor has looked for advice in, of all place, amsterdam. Lori jane gliha travelled to the country herself to the one country that has been openly selling marijuana for 40 years. In amsterdam, there are plenty of places to purchase pot. Music ] with its 17th century buildings that appear stuck in time, lining the more than 60 miles of canals, the netherlands capital city is a magnet for visitors, many drawn by the easy access to marijuana. There are 200 coffee shops like this throughout amsterdam. It says coffee shop on the outside. It is where people buy marijuana. Jason owns the dunkering, a famous coffee shop. We sell hash and lead and 80 of what we sell is cannabis. The idea behind the dutch approach is that street dealers, who sell hard drugs, will be put out of business if licensed businesses like this are allowed to provide soft drugs, marijuana, and hashish. Its been this way in the netherlands since the 70s. For me, only pleasure. Describe how you are able to do what you do . What is the law, what can you sell . Well, theres a difference its not legal, its tolerated. As a coffee shop you get a cannabis. Each business is restricted to having 500 grams on the premises at one time. Customers are limited to buying five grams each. Thats five grams. This comes close to five grams. This is roughly five grams. How many joints can you make with that . Gram. The netherlands once tolerated the sale of six times what they do, but it attracted too many marijuana tourists. In 1996 they reduced it. In colorado residents are allowed to buy more than five times what is currently allowed in the netherlands. We asked denver mayor, michael hancock, whether he feels comfortable with that. Well it was those concerns in amsterdam, that really fuelled, if you would, those of us who were in opposition to legalizing Recreational Marijuana, it may surprise you to know, that in some ways the pot laws are more restrictive than those in the legalized. The colorado, you can buy pot infused candies and brownies. In amsterdam, they no longer carry so much. He said the shop is only allowed to carry space cakes, because marijuana could be hard to handle for new pot consumers they can pass out. Thats a side effect. That, the sugar level drops and they be people can faint. They may think about the munchies, whatever was mixed in the browny, or what they are eating may give them an impact or a cause and effect that they were not expecting. The netherlands laws restrict how shop owners transport marijuana into their stores. The netherlands adheres to a 1961 u. N. Conn vention, banning convention, banning countries from growing or supporting a large quantity of drugs. It left in an uneasy position, where dealers like jason can sell marijuana, but suppliers cannot legally grow it. How do you know where it comes from . I talked to the people and tell them which quality i want and varieties i want. They take care of that. Where do they get it . They get it on, like, the black market. They talk to the growers, its illegal. Maybe its better i dont know. The amsterdam mayor rarely talks to american media, but sat with america tonight to discuss the countrys drug laws. If i must say, its legitimate in the netherlands. You can use it and coffee shops an sell it to users in small amounts. We have what we call a backdoor problem. It is still forbidden to transport it in huge amounts. So this is what we call tolerate, and that is because men people think National Rules and regulations forbid us to find legal ways of organising this back door situation. That is a disadvantage of our current system. We have learnt to live with it. Living with it means police tolerate amsterdams coffee shop. Farms. In january, underneath the shed, dutch police discovered an illegal marijuana farm, containing 1200 plants. Police conduct about 5,000 marijuana raids like this annually, throughout the country. There are signs that at least some in this country are pushing back against the permissive drug culture. Over the past few years, a conservative party inside the Coalition Government has been working to eliminate drug tourism. It passed a national law that would ban foreigners from entering coffee shops. Some cities have pushed back. The government allowed discretion in whether the new law is enforced. Amsterdams coffee shops attract people from all over the world. There are significant they are a significant part of the economy. Its why the mayor made a compromise with the National Government to avoid imposing the ban. He promised to reduce coffee shops and force those within 250 metres of middle schools to limit Business Hours or close. Those coffee shops too close near the middle schools because that is a wrong idea a school or a playground for children next to a coffee shop. Ironically the city that has been a pyon here pioneer in allowing marijuana use is looking to the u. S. Sometimes the dutch have to defend their policy. When the americans come and stand next to us, it will be accepted more internationally. And i say welcome to the club, and thank you for joining us. Welcome to the club, indeed. America tonights Lori Jane Gliha reporting on the pluses and minuses of legalizing pot. Tonight there is more to it. Joining us is denver mayor michael hancock, fresh from his own trip to amsterdam. We note, mr mayor, that not only did we see you in Lori Jane Glihas report, but you are not a fan of Recreational Marijuana in your statement. Now you are in it, now you have seen the experience of amsterdam, what did you learn . Theres a lot to learn. Theres a lot of differences between the United States. They have legalized marijuana. And amsterdam, which, as you point out in the report, legalized marijuana for 40 years. We learnt a lot. Im glad to learn denver is on the right track of medical and retail marijuana. One of the elements that your state learnt is that it can be a tax revenue generator for you already, right. It is generating taxes. We knew it would, but we recognise we had a role, a big responsibility to make sure that we regulated it, protected the communities and children from the drug. And made sure that we had implementation. Right, and you do have distinct differences that Lori Jane Gliha outlined for us the volume of the amounts that can be sold, where its grown, and the use of the edibles, the pot brownies or the space cakes as it were. Is there something that you could suggest to change within your state that might give you greater parity, or do you think it should be . No, frankly, i a lot of regulations in place i stored. Once the law was passed in colorado, and we implemented it in denver. What you see, they are beginning to roll back on some things they have not dealt with over the years. Coffee shops being too close to schools, for example. They have to take a look at how they deal with the issue of growing, allowing for people to grow marijuana. In denver we have an integrated entry, if you are licensed to sell it, you must grow the product. That allows us to track and keep good inventory within the city. You dont have coffee shops in the way that they do in the netherlands, right . No, the other distinction, they have coffee shops. I visited one while i was in amsterdam. We a licensed retail shops, and all they can sell are cannabis edibless infused products or cannabis itself. Last thought, but an important one. A big question is Reputation Management situation, both for the dutch and for your state. Youre absolutely correct. One of the biggest lessons, if not the biggest, is amsterdam has spent a lot of time and resources trying to regain the reputation, restating the reputation, if you will. We came out of the box in denver recognising if we are going to do this to protect our reputation, quality of life and children. We learnt from them not to let this get away from you. You have to spend more time and resources to get it back. Denvers mayor michael much. You bet. Ahead in our final thoughts of this our the old ball game. American treasures and how their positions off the field and on, finally tonight 67 years ago it was, Jack Roosevelt robinson made his Major League Baseball debut with the brooklyn dodgers. It is regarded as one of the first steps of a march towards civil rights. The university of Southern California is taking a swing at what some had to endure. From los angeles, america tonights michael okay u brings us the story of two american pressures, and how they scored a home run. These are two american treasures. Jim and lou johnson. I dont appreciate it. In 1965, the son of a biscuit eater hit a home run and beat us at ball game. He was the first African American pitcher in the league to win 20 games in a season. Sweet lou was the hero of the 1965 world series. His l. A. Dodgers beat mud cats minnesota twins. Its what they endured off the field and on that has researchers at the annan burg school for journal. Interested. The school is putting together an oral history of afghan americans, who played baseball in the 25 years since Jackie Robinson debuted. U. S. C. Intends to chronicle racism and triumph as they can. Its one of the most important things we can do. In the end this will be, to me, the most important thing i would have accomplished. Now there is a sense of urgency to the project. Former big leaguer paul blair passed away at the age of 69. Dr durbin would have loved to have interviewed blair for the project. Its the same circumstances confronted by spiel berg and members of his team 20 years ago. Holocaust survivors were dying at an alarming rate before they could be interviewed. Its a terminal situation. You have players, many of whom have died. Most or all of whom were relatively old, who have important stories to say. A lot of our history is disappearing. We somehow got to maintain a certain type of scenario, where these guys are brought forward all the time. Thats why i have all the history. What kind of history exactly . Stories that show the restraint required of these men. Better. A guy asked me why is a black ball player attack the ball, man. Simple. Hes white. [ laughs ] its the silent way. Getting back at them. Beept the [ bleep ] at the ball. Slap hard to the white base. And im saying this now because of the times i wouldnt have said it, but its the truth. This is why i laugh. I laugh all the way to the bank, man, making a deposit. You may not like me, you may not want me to stay in the hotel. But the first and 15th, im drawing a pay check. What is amazing, during an interview, therell be a point of time at which everything seems to stop and the person being interviewed starts talking about something they havent talked about with anyone else. Its the deeper stories of real serious issues in American History and culture. The worst thing that i went through in my career, even though i was kicked by policeman because i didnt say yes, sir, and of all the other indignities that i suffered back at that time, even in ku klux klan, i think the worst time in my career was when those those four girls were killed in birmingham alabama. That was the worst time because there were four little girls and how the ku klux klan member put dynamite in the church and killed the children. Even though i knew of other atrocities, and even though we were shot at when we were kids, by cluxs, i think that was something that i could not hardly take. Mudcat said he was so upset he got into a fight with a white teammate from texas, who made a comment that would have normally just rolled off his back. He said, well if we catch you in texas, were going to hang you from the nearest tree. I said, im glad you say that because we are not in texas, we are in cleveland, ohio. And i hit him, knocked him down. I was suspended, but recognising and hearing about the girls being murdered that way, that was the worst time of my life. I could put up with a lot of stuff in protecting myself, about the that was the worst time for me. This oral history project is not without controversy. At least one team has not made its alumni available, preferring a Team Employees do the interview and send the recording to u. S. C. Dr durbin is concerned about censorship and hopes the team comes around and grants him action. If you think the project is about terrible stories of hardships, listen to mudcat tell this one. It begins when the Cleveland Indians were on a roadtrip in destroyed and they get a call. The president would like you to have breakfast. I said yes, yes, and i hung up the phone. 10 minutes later the phone rang again. And they said the president would like to have breakfast with you this morning, he knows that the indians are in up to, and back in those days we were still getting threatened phone calls, as well you know of. And i says, listen, dont call my room any more. And i hung up the phone again. Well, they came up and they knocked on the door. You can tell them interirp. They dressed anywhere. They dressed alike, they looked alike and i said oh, oh, this might be something, they knooked on the door and said we hate to bother you, but true, really, president kennedy would like to have breakfast for you. I said, can you wait until i get dressed . , so i got dressed and there was president kennedy, as big as that. He said mudcat come in, id like to have breakfast with you, i hope you dont mind. And i said i dont mind at all, i was tightening up, i had on my coat and tie. They knew about baseball, they discussed civil rights. When j. F. K. Asked mudcat if there was anything he could do for him, he told them about the delipidated conditions and supplies at the school house in his home town in florida. He kept in touch with me. Times did change. You nope, we got a school, books. We got housing, which is still there to this day. Our school is still there to this day, and i got the photo of me and president kennedy shaking hands on things he promised would happen. 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